Adam Davies_ Explorer_ Adventurer_ and Cryptozoologist

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Speaker 1 (00:11):
Cre Van through the midnight Haye season, Shadows in the
darkest maze, foot step second in the empty Hall, Mysteries
wading no sad footstepping through the pons, Aliens send the

(00:36):
secrets Science e VP's in the dead of night, ghost.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Is in in the pillm light.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
I don't know before what we bring it to your
truth behind the fail gotta.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
Paula, All right, we're right now. How are you doing,
Jason doing good? God?

Speaker 4 (00:59):
Great tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
Oh man, I've been I've been waiting for this ever
since you said it up chasing. This is when I've
been like, oh, let's do this. You know. That's funny
because I've been watching Adam Davies on TV for a
very long time. I've seen him going all over the
place and uh on some of his stuff that he

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did looking for a ring pandic and and all kinds
of stuff. So I've I've I really looked forward to
this conversation. How you doing, Steve.

Speaker 4 (01:32):
So, we got Adam Davies, Yes, all right, so hey, Jenny.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
So.

Speaker 4 (01:43):
Adam is a renowned explorer, adventure and cryptozoologists dedicated to
finding evidence of undiscovered animals in some of the world's
most remote and dangerous locations, including the Congo, Sumatra, Mongoliongolio, Mongolia,
and Nepal.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
That's not the beef.

Speaker 4 (02:05):
So he's achieved notable results in his field work concerning
creatures like the David was talking about the orang pandeic
sasquatch yerin and the let me pronounce this right, say
sell the order serpent.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
Yeah, he actually got something on that that actually made
the world news.

Speaker 4 (02:25):
Yeah, that's awesome. So his expertise has led to numerous
appearances on major television channels, including National Geographic Discovery Channel,
History Channel's Monster Quest, and Animal Planets Finding Bigfoot. Much
of his extensive research has been self financed, driven by
his passion for mystery animals. He's also the author of

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quite a few books, I think three non non fiction
accounts of his expeditions, as well as fact based fiction
novel The Revenge of the Hairy Man, and I think
his newest book is The Moonlight. Yeah, so we're gonna
go ahead, bring him on. I might have missed a

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few things. So he's just a great guy there, all right, Adam.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
How you doing very well, very well, Good evening, gentlemen,
How are you I'm good. I'm good. I'm looking forward
to us seeing what you're gonna say to me tonight.
That was a good intro. So we've started.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
Well, yeah, yeah, that's good. That's always a good thing.

Speaker 4 (03:39):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
You know, I watched a lot of the stuff that
you've done over the years and everything, and you know,
when it comes down to it, you've you've been all
over the world, You've done all kinds of stuff, and
you know what was it like when you first started

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doing all this stuff? What got you interested in deciding
that you're going to go looking for these creatures that
may or may not exist.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Well, it was a combination of things in a nutshell.
So the first thing was, when I was very young,
I had a sister who died of neuroblastoma, which is
a form of cancer. And what that taught me was
that you should never take life for granted. You know,
already I was thinking, you know, I need to do something.
And then I was hit in an accident where by

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a policeman's son who drove illegally on the sidewalk and
a motorbike and crushed my leg and I was told
by the doctor that I probably never walk again. Certainly
I just live if I did. I was determined that
that was not going to be the case, and I

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trained really hard on a year later as my city
swim chapel. In fact, I trained for the Picked team
for a while, but my parents wanted me to pursue
my education rather than go swimming. But sometimes I wonder,
what if you know, I can't help it? So so
so there was that, and then I I was all

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I did. My first degree was in history, and before
that I'd read a lot of the Livingstone accounts and
then novels like Heart of Darkness in the Congo. So
when I read them, I thought, well, I don't want
to I want to live my life. Whatever I do,
I want to max my life out. I also, I
also have got guts and determination. Yeah, because I've proved

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it to myself already with the leg and then with
the exploration, I thought, well, a lot of this is
just a question of being fit and having guts. I
can do this. I don't give a ship. So I did.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
That's awesome.

Speaker 4 (05:57):
Yeah. No, No, were you a history teacher?

Speaker 2 (06:02):
Well when when I worked for the British government for
many years before, firstly I was a program manager, project
manage for cable and while I was my main job,
and then I transferred into the British government because I
had a postcard in law and I worked as a
kind of lawyer for the British government. It's a long explanation,
but that's basically what I was and did some very

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I met some truly evil people while I was doing that,
because I had to deal with people you just were
so bad. But when I came to America, I couldn't
do the job that i'd done in Britain because you
have to be a US citizen to do that. Now
I am a US citizen now, but it's all about
security clearance blah blah blah blah blah. So before I went,

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I trained as a teacher, and then when I came
to the United States, when I came to San Diego,
I worked as a teacher of English. So I took
English for six and more years before I moved to Tennessee.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
Wow, that's amazing.

Speaker 4 (07:05):
Yeah. I was just asking them because I was on
your page or one of your things, and somebody was
saying that you were their teacher, and they really yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
He was Swedish. Yeah, So so I taught all different nationalities,
how how to speak English and sort of how to converse.
And with my background as well, I also taught business
English to some students, and because of my background in
other matters, I taught English to military students as well,

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So all sorts of people.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
So you know, in your book Bigfoot versus the Yetty
kind of describe events in Alaska and Nepal as life changing.
So what was a kind of a fundamental thing that
shifted your perspective during those trips.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
I suppose with Nepal, I felt that it was. I
suppose there's always an element of danger and achievement. I
suppose with with with Nepal. If if you've seen the
Monster Quest film A Vomninable Snowman, you'll see that that
that point where I grabbed the Sherpa's basket because he's

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about to fall. That's just a second, but he's about
to go down that slope to his death. And you know,
it really was that dangerous that that that was amazing
that Monster Quest film. And obviously I went with Josh
Gates as well later on with the Yeti print. But
I think I think I just I was I was
struck there that the yetti was a real creature. It

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always had been historically. I mean interestingly, the old shamanistic
religions talked about the yetti before, and they listed every
known animal, and they talked about the yetty as one
of the known animals. But I was just by the
magnificence of beauty of the place. I climbed mountains. It
was just wondrous, you know. And I'd strongly recommend people

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to go to Nepal. If they do, they'd have a
good time. Do not go to the Congo. I am
not recommending that place under any circumstances, but Nepal very
much so. I think, I think, I think the the
Alaskan thing, it was just seriously creepy. And that made
it so interesting because if you remember, I went where

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long before these TV series happened. Yeah, it happened because
I'd gone. It wasn't my idea, it was the idea
of of Stephen Major. I met him in a bar
in Vancouver. We were about to go on a on
a on a boat off Vancouver Island and do a

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Bigfoot documentary for an to American crew, Native Canadian Indian crew.
I should say, because it's obviously Canada, and he said
to me, you know, I'd like you to do this
with me, this story of this hairy man that killed
all these people and all that long and that I
thought that sounds like fun. And he said, of course,

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I'll pay you to keep me alive. And I thought
that sounds like even more fun, you know, So it
motivated obviously as Missus was upset. She's crying saying keep
the Stephen alive, and I was like, yeah, absolutely I will.
So we went and there was me and him and
Josiah and decided when we went, it was just like

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it was like totally out of a horror film, like
a Stephen King film. So when we go, we were
at that point. It's different now, it's changing now because
the TV crews don't know anything else. But at that
point there was the people in Homer, which was a
near it because you can't just get there. You have
to get a boat there. You have to get a boat,
no other way of doing it. And the locals all fought.

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It was really bad and they were shaking our hands too,
you know where we will leave it, you know, saying
you know he won't be back type.

Speaker 3 (11:16):
Dude.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
I was thinking, I felt like saying, Steve, double my money,
you know.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
Now, because there was.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
Like, at that stage, it's quite a shallow bay to
go in. And at that stage there was one captain
who would take us. And he's almost like a cliche.
He's like, I'm not going to swear, but I want to.
He's like Robert Shaw in Gaws. He's like that insane
and he's like it sounds it sounds like I'm exaggerated.

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I promise you I am not. He actually was. He
was driving this boat, yeah, and there's only there's the
three of us in it, and he's going and there
was a classic rocks you know, and I was like,
there's this there's this thing. You know, if you go
this way, you got to die. It was like that.
It was like that. And it gets weird because the

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Native the Native Americans would not meet us. There's a
village that you can only get to by boat. Has
a little tiny air strip there, but mainly you go
by boat. And they wouldn't come out to talk to
us because they they thought it was like we were
like doomed, I mean, and a lot of the tribes
up there, so they said don't go. It's the most

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evil place on Earth, and I was like, is it?

Speaker 3 (12:42):
You know?

Speaker 2 (12:45):
So I didn't care, So you know, I'm less reckless
now than I was, just in case anyone worries. But
but we get there, and I decided to go on
a spit of land after we'd wandered around Port Chattam,

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which is a creepy place, but you've also got to
keep alert because there's a lot of bear there. You know,
there's a lot of bear and we had we had shotguns.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
So we go.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
I'm carrying on talking about por chat to me all that, guys,
or do you want me to stop?

Speaker 4 (13:22):
You know?

Speaker 3 (13:22):
Oh no, no, yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
I'm conscious I'm talking about it in detail just because
I feel like it so so, but we want when
we wandered around, it had a creepy vibe to it.
And I'll come back to that later. And but what
I wanted to do because I'd looked at the maps
and you just didn't know what to expect. That no
one had been there for decades. There had been maybe

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a couple of people who'd landed on the beach head,
but they hadn't really hung around. Nobody had hung around,
and so I wanted a place where we could have
a really good visibility of the area. So but you've
got to be very careful as well, because Alaska has
some of the highest time in the world. Yes, there's
a lot to consider, and you don't know the land

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because no one's lived there for decades. You know, you
have no idea. But I wanted to do There's only
three of us, so I wanted it to be in
a way like a military thing, so only one of
us is asleep at any one time for the time
we're there. Yeah, there's always two on watch and do that.
That was my plan with all of that, and then
that worked. And but the dude just drops us off

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and he says, you know, I'll seeing a couple of
days or whatever. And that was that, you know, send
me a satellite a message because we had a sat phone,
and that was that. And you could tell it was
wild because one of the coolest things, you know, when
you just think this is in June, by the way,
in Alaska, and it does go. It's not twenty four
hours of day like countrares to mythic. It has something

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I call the gloom where it went like really like
dull for a few hours and then it comes back up. Yeah,
just like like a night in Maude, a day in
Order or something one of those things.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
Anyway, being a truck, I've driven up there during that
time of the year, so I've got photos of of
it being it was midnight and it was kind of
like dusk.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, And that's that's a great way of
putting it. For about three hours.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
Also, all of a sudden, the sounds back up and.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
Suns back up. So that was perfect for us because
I knew we needed to see and I went back twice.
By the way that I went back on one of
the time. Sorry, so I was there twice and that's
relevant to think. But on that occasion, I mean it
was it was I got something really weird on the thermal.

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I saw had a thermal and I saw this thing
just bipedalley just run run down through the woods and
if you and it was used for Discovery Channel when
we went back, yeah, for Alaska's Triangle, and I said,
you know, we better get ready for this. This is
this is really really bad, you know. And anyway, it
stopped suddenly. But to go to my point, one of

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the coolest things on a positive note, was at the time.
There was a lot of otters there see otters obviously,
and they'd never seen the babies, had never seen humans.
So at night in inverted comers, they would hold up
their babies to show their babies people. Yeah, they do
that just to show their babies people. But they just

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do it off sure enough, you know, and they'd watch
us and I called it the Otter Show. So I'd
be watching them and they'd be watching me, and that
was We stared at one another, and that was That
was basically Saturday night, you know. And that went again,
and then weird stuff happened when it went again, and
that was That was probably the profound thing.

Speaker 4 (16:53):
Yeah, that's that's a crazy place. I mean, I've never been,
but I've seen it on TV.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
Well, it's very expensive to just go as well. You know,
the boat alone was a thoud. I don't know whether
it's changed. Alaska's expensive, all right. Let me start with that.
Alaska is a very expensive place. It's extremely beautiful, but
it's extremely expensive and everything, like the food is really expensive. Yeah,
so everything you buy your cater for is it's I

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think Alaskans get an allowance of the government if you
live there just for living in Alaska. Wow, I'd have
to check them, but I think they do anyway. It
was one thousand dollars in just for one trip in
and a thousand dollars out on the boat, so just
just to land there and the trip's only a few hours.

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It was one thousand dollars.

Speaker 3 (17:48):
Wow, WHOA, that was crazy. I got a free trip
because I was driving tu work. Yeah, I was working, yeah, yeah,
and I and I know I did that. I went
upon that route one time. I went to the Arctic
and I went on the ice trucker route. So I
don't know whether you did it. Did it all the
way to the oil refinery where.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
The Arctic is? There's a whole There's a place called
Dead Horse, known famous because the horses died because it
was so damn cold. And I went there and I
swam in the Arctic Sea at the top there. Yeah. Wow,
Yeah it was cold, but you know, I was fine,

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largely untouched. But there was a just before we'd swam.
The only thing that you've got to be really conscious
of with a polar bear had killed a seagull on
the beach. And polar bears are the worst predators. They
will not stop. They are not afraid of people. If

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they fancy, if they fancy having a go at you,
there's only one thing you can do. You either kill
it or it kills you. Was that that's simple?

Speaker 3 (19:02):
Yes, yeah, yea. The polar bears aren't anything to be
messed with for sure.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
No, they're the worst. I mean, they're worse than grizzlies.
Grizzlies will mostly run away. I've had two rough encounters
with bears, but in my life, one here and one
in California for me enough, but mostly bears will run away,
but polar bears won't run away.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
They see a steak dinner.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
That's it. That's it. Well, basically you are I mean,
what you always have to realize, and I think it's
a good point in these sort of environments is that
you are made of meat to some things, and that's
all you are, just meat.

Speaker 4 (19:45):
You know, I'd look like a buffet. Then, well you.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
Are a buffet, and that's how they see you. And
some things just want to eat you. And that's just
the way it is.

Speaker 4 (20:00):
So in the power that you went with Josh Gates
and the Power right.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
The second time I went to them. The first time
I went with the History.

Speaker 4 (20:08):
Channel was that the one that he went to the monastery,
and they had a.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
I didn't go to the monastery I got because I
had to be in the US. So I the background
to the story is this. His production company contacted me
about a good place to go to take it, you know,
for for for that show, and I had already been

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to the West and a big scan of the West Game.
I came to the conclusion that it would be if
they are there, that they're very few and far between,
and they're and they're on the edge of extinction. There's
a long reasons why I came to that, but there is,
but I thought the best place to go, funny enough,
was bearing in mind the concentration of recents it things

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was where it had been before uh in Destination Truth,
where his tracker Toule had found a print yetti print,
because there's been a lot of sightings around there and
I was getting the intelligence about it. So and then
I and then he was to go to Bhutan, but
I had to be in San Diego, so I had

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to leave him around the monastery area, just around the
monastery area, so we did this ab sail off this
cliff thing and then he he goes off to the
monastery and eventually to base camp and I and I
and then to Bhutan, which I really wanted to go to.
But but then that's that's the rest of the story.

Speaker 4 (21:44):
Basically, I was just wondering about the.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
Galp. Yeah, that's not that's not a YETI scalp. You
know that's not a scalp. They tested that the hairs
on it, and it's norm. I was trying to get
a hold of one in Mongolia, which I think would
have been cooler, but the monks wouldn't let me out.
I did try very hard, though they wouldn't let me.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
So when you said the cargo you actually got shot at,
didn't you got arrested in Mongolia? Yes? Man, was there
was there anything where you've done all of the stuff
that you've done that you actually was like, okay, that's it,
that's it.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
No, sorry, yes, yes, no, let me expand it to
make your job a lot easier. The thing about the
Mongolian thing is actually quite funny in a way, So
I'll tell you the story behind that. So I was
I was looking for the death work. Nobody had really

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looked for it. I like the idea of it because
there's only two people that ever given it any sense,
and one was Roy Chapman Andrews, and he in nineteen
twenty two when he was asked by the president of
Mongolia to look for it. When Roy Chapman Andrews is
actually the inspiration for Indiana Jones. He's the archaeologist on
which it is based, Yeah, which he is based. So

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he looked. And then there was a Czech explorer called
Ivan Macley who I was in contact with, and I
just love the idea of it. I love the idea
of the name of it. I wanted to go to Mongolia.
It's a massive country. It's the size of Western Europe.
And the second time I went with National Geographic I
navigated across the whole of it with just to hadn't

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held GPS because there are hardly any roads. But that's
a whole different adventure. But on this time, I'm going
to where I'm going to the border now between China
and Mongolia at that time. Don know what they like now,
but they weren't exactly the best of friends. But there
was a lot of Chinese doing business in an Erlambatur,
which is the capital. But they weren't for particularly, but

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the concentration of death worm sightings were on the border
near China and Mongolia, so I had to go there. Yeah,
and so get down. There's nobody there obviously for miles
and miles and miles, and then we go to we

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get to this little border town and there happens to
be this guy. What was he He was a he
was a colonel and he was in charge of a
base there, and he had a couple of hookers with him.
You could tell he was and he and he sat
down and we had a we had a few. We

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had a vodka with him. Were polite to him because
you don't get anywhere in Mongoli unless you have vodka.
So we had a We had a couple of vodkas,
and we chatted away. We exchanged snow, which is what
they do. And he said, you know, you know you're
going past my base and a couple in a day,
you know, I'll see you there. Yeah, and it's a
big thing for him. Anyway, we stayed longer than we

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planned in an area some giant spider thing attacked us,
and that's another story. But we were there. We were
there for a day longer than we planned because we
were busy doing stuff. Anyway, turned up at this thing
and in and his and his army base, and this

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soldier immediately comes out and drags my colleague in. Yeah,
because there were two of us, as well as the
driver and the translator I mean, and then I sold
to sit in the jeep and then he drags me in,
and I'm trying to memorize ways to escape, thinking about

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where's the war?

Speaker 3 (25:50):
Where's this?

Speaker 2 (25:51):
I thought, this is my chance to try and as
much information as I can to try and escape when
I need to, you know, if I can. I know
it sounds weird in my life, but it's weird anyway.
So I get in there and this colonel bangs his
fist on the table. He's got a major in with him,

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you know, because you can tell by the ranks because
of the pips and all that. And he said one
of the things he said to me, my translator is there.
This is what I'm building to. He says, are you
a Chinese spy? Because if you are a Chinese spy,
I will kill you. And I said, laugh, said tell him,

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tell him no, I'm not a Chinese spy.

Speaker 5 (26:42):
Talk about a loaded question, you know what I mean.
So then, but I had contacts with him back in
and I got my translator to phone up. Basically his
general and its general comes on the phone, and I

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don't speak moregoly. I knew a few words, you know,
I'd learned a few words to get by. But there's
some universal swear words, let me tell you, gentlemen. And
I could hear them down the phone as he was
getting outed at.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
Yeah, and we got released.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
So that was that. That's awesome, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
So they can't go it was different. That's a poignant thing.
I tell you a story because I think about this every Christmas,
because this is the most this is one of my
most important stories. I want to tell.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
You that.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
One bizarre thing you do do is eventually you get
used to being shot at, which might sound strange to you,
but it's true. But in the midst all of that mayhem,
I go into I go into there's a civil war
going on across the Abangi River, and then I come
into the go into the jungle. It's it's tough. I

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come out a month later. Okay, back to the missionary
town where because when you go from Brazzaville, the airport,
you fly into this place called Infondo, which is a
border town. The Democratic Republic of the Congo is on
one side and Congo Brass is on the other. Yeah,
so across the and Bangy River, there's a civil war

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coming on. I've got a white face. I look like
a mercenary.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
A lot of those people are running away. They shoot
at me. That's just what happened. There's a lot of
artillery flare going on.

Speaker 4 (28:36):
Ad.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
It wasn't that they had a personal vendetta against me.
They were just scared. Yeah. Unfortunately they were very bad shots,
but they were just scared. And that's that's the way
it is. But this is an important thing to understand
this environment because in this and I thought I was
thinking about this guy just yesterday, because there was a

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guy there called Dr Joe Hart, an American doctor, and
he could have learnt a lot of money being a
doctor in the United States, a lot of money. He
was good, very good, but he chose to volunteer in
that hellhole. Yeah, with all those insidious diseases. There was

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no other doctor. And I volunteered to help him at
the hospital and I held down a woman while she
had life saving surgery and the guy was also helping
hold it down because it's no anesthetic. The guy would
run out. The guy who was helping half his face
had gone because he had leprosy. And the pair of
us are doing this and this was and he's talking

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through the incisions with me as we go, like I'm
some nurse. I mean, I've never seen this stuff. I
had to do it, you know, I had to help him.
And that was that was what he did, you know,
that was what he did. And you know, it was
very humbling because thought, this is a much better person
than I am, much better.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
And when.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
I was I was due to leave. It's near it
was nearly Christmas, so it's about seventeenth eighteenth of December.
And getting back, I mean I didn't just I had
to fly back, and then I had to get through Brazzaville,
which was dangerous, hellhole being shot at the place. There's
a lot to do just to even get there. And
Dr Joe said to me, you know, can you take

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a package back to England with you to post to America,
which you know, can you do that because because it's
never going to get to America if we post it
from here, you know, so I was like, absolutely, I will.
And they were making a tape for their families as well.
They've got a few cassette tapes. Yeah, that was that

(30:50):
was That was the time. And then we all sang
Silent Night. So we're round the tree. This is what
this is why to me, silent is the most important
Christmas head because we were we were round this. I'll
never forget this. We were round this tree. I was
saying sid night. Then youhod Holy Night is calm and

(31:19):
I was hard as nails. I was as hard as nails.
I'd had an I fighting conshost that I've been shot at.
I just crossed the Licola Swamp, which is hell on earth,
and I was like, I'm really moved by this. Yeah
you know what I mean. I was like I was,
I was in that zone. And yet that took my
icy heart at that stage, you know, and always will.

(31:41):
And I took the package back and I posted it.
But there goes a greater man than I. That's all
I want to say.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
That's amazing. It is, that's amazing.

Speaker 4 (31:50):
Have you ever you ever tried to do you? Have
me thought about rotten?

Speaker 2 (31:55):
I did. I did just the other day. And I'm
going to That was what I was thinking. I should. Really,
that's great for it because because I didn't for a
long time because he was going to be in the
Congo pages and that was I mean, this is two thousands,
so that was the days really before you know, the
social media that we have right now. But there's no
reason why I don't look for him now I should.

Speaker 3 (32:14):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's amazing. Yeah. So I know you've
been doing a lot of stuff here lately too. Yeah,
you've been running around with with mister Greg.

Speaker 4 (32:30):
Greg.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
Is he in the chat? I can't see the chat.

Speaker 4 (32:34):
I don't think. So if you click on Natalie.

Speaker 3 (32:36):
Over on the side somewhere, it should show.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
Yeah, it's not. It's not letting me do it at
the moment, but it's it's my computer, not you guys.
There's no technical issue on yours. But but yes, Greg, Yeah, yeah,
Well I've been in America for ten years now, and
I when I moved to Tennessee about three years ago.

(33:02):
I made contact with Greg about a few years ago
a conference in Texas. And Greg's a very nice guy.
And obviously I'm part of Relic Films now along with Greg,
Natalie and Melissa and you know. The thing about I
like about those films is that we're given we can
decided what we want to do and shape our own
film and shape the content, which is great. So we

(33:25):
can kind of make whatever films we want because it's unrestricted.
All we have to do is agree on a theme
and and off we go. And I love that, and
you know, and that film, The Land between the Lakes
is an extraordinary film. Of all the films that You've
got to see that film. You've got to see that film.

(33:47):
It's it's an amazing film. Relic films.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
The Land between the Lens was that his last one
he did?

Speaker 2 (33:53):
Yeah, it's the one where we're in the Land between
the Lakes and.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
That's things like Scream Edge you guys.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
Hm, it will. I'll tell the story very quickly for
for anybody else. So I met Craig in Texas and
I said too, and we got we were friends, you know,
we've got friends at conference and all that chain away.
And he invited me to go to the Land between
the Lens with him, and I'd not been and it
was a place I thought fancied going. I heard a

(34:21):
bit about it and I thought, well yeah, And the
first day we get there a little bit early, Greg
and I and we did. We were just reckoning, doing
a bit of a wreckie of a spot to do
some interviews, and we found a nice spot and he
did a few master interviews before everybody else got there,

(34:41):
and one he did was with me and Barton and Martin.
Janice was there at that stage a camel woman. But
we did, we did a we did a few of
those and we and then just as luck would have it,
there was this beautiful sunset that went that that went
on and Brent, then, who's a camera man, was He

(35:03):
was very good at what he was doing. He was
being nominated for an Emmy at the time, again because
it's relevant to the story. And he sends up a
drone and get this pretty sunset and we're happy. You know,
well that's a great day. And I turned around to
Martin at the end of it. I said, well, you know,
the next sequence you want to shoot is an area,
you know, going out at night to do a big

(35:23):
four big foot search. Can you name anywhere? And he said, well,
there's a place I go to which I think is
a good spot. It's about an hour away from here, though,
And I said that to Greg, and Greg's like, yeah,
let's go for it. So we went. Yeah, we go
later on at night, and there were a couple of trucks.
And it's relevant to the story because we get down

(35:47):
there and Martin and Barton go straight up the hill
with with with janesis a graveyard on a hillside and
me and Brent and Gregor just getting out the stuff
and we hear this raw you know this rule. Now,
I've seen gorillas in the wild in the Congo. I've

(36:07):
seen a ranga tangs in Samata Yaki, my point is
unfamiliar with gray apes. Yeah, but I cannot emulate the
chest cavity of this thing. This raw was enormous, enormous,
And I'm only telling this from my perspective the story,
but this is just how I felt. And we were

(36:29):
astonished and Greg and this thing was in front of us,
and you could see a pair of red eyes about
nine feet in the air. I could see them. Now,
that's interesting from two points of view. They were not luminescent.
And also it defies evolution, you know, so you know,
from my point of view, I'm processing this. It's which
is interesting. Greg says that there's another one crouch behind

(36:52):
the truck, which was throwing something. Brent shouts, We've got
to get out of here. We've got to get out here.
Greg grabs the back of his coat to stop him
from running, which was wise, yes, but Brent particularly yes.
And then Janie let's as I shout, I realized because

(37:14):
Janie said that there were several when she could see
red eyes on the top that they were flanking us,
which was remarkable behavior. You know, it was like a
military strategy. So the one in the one in front
of us was distracting us. But if they were going
to come out as they were going to come outs
from the sides. So that's when I shouted for everybody

(37:36):
to come together because I thought we were in serious danger.
And I still think we were in serious danger. I
don't want to run the rest of the film, but
that's a great film.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
It's a great we watched We've watched that film, and
I'll tell you it was Jason and I are from
We watched. It was like, ma'am, that's probably one of
the best Bigfoot documentaries I have ever watched.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
And I think I'm not just saying I think for
me it is the best simply because there is a
scene in there which is unique, that's genuine, genuine, and
I emphasize that word interactions with bigfoots and how people
react and behave in that situation. And there's no other
sequence in any film legitimately like that. There is, and

(38:23):
so for that scene alone, it's the best one ever.
I mean, Greg put it together. Well, he's done it
on a shoestring budget, and credit to him. I've been
in productions that have cost a million dollar film, I mean,
like Yetti Massacre on Discovery that was at least that,
but Greg's done it for a tiny fraction of that
because he was self financed and he did a really

(38:44):
good job. So and he's got another film out, well, Relic,
I've got another film out. They've got a conference. We've
got a conference at the end of January in Alabama,
and I know tickets for on sale with that, but
also that there'll be a film premiere of The Vanished,
and that's fascinating. I love those stories. So since I

(39:05):
moved to the Smokies, I was always very interested in
the stories of the disappearing people. There's the famous one
with Dennis Martin, six year old boy who disappeared and
the Green Berets went out to look for him, even
they couldn't find any evidence of him. And there's loads
of speculation as to what happened to him. And for
this film, I wanted to concentrate contrast it because that

(39:27):
was sixty nine with the disappearance of Mike here on
in two thousand and eight, so relatively recently, but I
thought that story was really interesting too. So the guy's
a very successful businessman. He lives in Merrill, where I live,
but he's also got a property in Happy Valley, which
is on the edge of the Smoky Mountains. And when

(39:50):
I say the edge, it really is. It's the next
the tree line is right where the property is. And
he was going about his and one day just disappears.
His wallet and keys are left in his car, his
ATV is abandoned, and it's a complete mystery what happened
to him. So in that film we seek to find

(40:14):
some answers as to what happened, and some very interesting
and extremely weird stuff turns up in that film. And
that's what six weeks away till that premiere. Yeah right,
it's the thirty first to January.

Speaker 3 (40:28):
Yeah, I think we've already bought our tickets. We're going
to go watch it.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
You should totally go watch I'm glad you're going to
watch it. Good job, guys.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
Good We've already got our hotel rooms for Friday and
Saturday nights.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
So brilliant. Well you'll have a great time. I mean,
it is, And I encourage everybody else to watch it
because I've already seen an hour of it, so say
with some veracity, it's gonna be really good.

Speaker 3 (40:52):
Yeah, I cannot wait. It's going to be. It's gonna
be amazing. I think, especially you know, watching his other
films that he's done. I mean, I think it's gonna
be excellent. Now you've started doing some like ghost investigations, Yeah, yeah,

(41:13):
I did.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
Well, I've got an added I mean, I mean, I've
got an Adam Davies Explorer YouTube now and the reason
I want and it's a lot of fun, you know,
to do that. But crypsids has always been my main interest.
But I've always had an interest in the paranormal and ghosts.

(41:36):
So I told you earlier on at the start of
your interview that I lived in San Diego for six
and a half years. Well, the first year I got
to America, I worked as a volunteer at the Whaley House,
which is known as one of America's most haunted houses,
and all sorts of weird stuff went on. But one

(41:57):
thing I learned, I do feel that that I'm going
to go tangentially here because there's an important point I
want to make it. I do think that some abilities
are inherited and kind of a gift. So what do
I mean by that? So for example, I don't know,
you two guys, but one of you could be really

(42:17):
good at football, yeah, and the other one could be
really good at math. Yeah. You could be a good
chess player, I don't know. You could be a good
Dungeons and Dragons, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (42:27):
You know.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
So I'm very good at swimming, for example, right as
we heard.

Speaker 3 (42:32):
But I.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
Suck at football soccer.

Speaker 4 (42:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
I really wish I was really good at it because
there's a market for those players. But you know, I
just didn't have the skills. Yeah. But one thing my
father's always been my great my grandmother, My great grandmother
was a well known psychic on my father's side. My
father could always see auras and things like that. My
sisters all ghosts and my father, I mean, he told

(43:00):
me a story. Only he only told me this like
about six or seven weeks ago, but he and he'd
never said it before. We were just on the phone
talking and he said that before my sister, I've got
a living sister, and her sister has passed in cases
any confusion. But before my sister died, he said, and

(43:23):
before she was even ill, he said he had a
He said he had a dream and he said, Alexandria,
that she's my sister's pastor was in hospital, he said,
and he'd gone to see her, and there was an
Italian looking girl because my sister was very blonde haired
and blue eyed.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
A lot of my genetics are Scandinavian. Yeah, so I
know I'm darker, but a lot of that side of
my family would be blonde haired, blue eyed, you know,
and that's what they look like like. My daughter is
blonde haired and blue eyed, even though she dies a
hair a myriad of colors, she really is. So so

(44:03):
he said that there was this dark haired Italian looking
girl in the bed next to her, and he said
that when he when he went there, he said he
remembered having that dream because the girl was in the
bed next to her. Now, I mean you know that

(44:25):
he told me I was very poigting, So he clearly
had a premonition, There's no doubt about it. And I
did wonder whether some of these things are hereditary. So
when I started, I didn't think I had those abilities
in the same way as my sister. But when I
started at the Wadyhouse, I got to know when the

(44:45):
spirits were around. So how did I know it would
be the easiest way I can equate it is you
know when you're on top of a roller coaster and
you get those butterfly feelings and you still me in
that little level of excitement. Well, I had those, and
I would I would, I would. I would have those,

(45:08):
and I don't know when they were around, and the
ghost would ask me. So when they had people with
ghosts hunting and stuff like that with the e vps
and I was upstairs, the ones in the courthouse would go,
where's Adam, Where's Adam? You know, and they do that.
So and I had a few times where I directly
saw orbs with my own eyes, and I got There

(45:28):
was a few occasions where I was so used to
them I could put my hand out and this ORB
would come into my hand. Yeah, there's lots of photos.
I have to get some at some point, so it's
really I was really cool and I enjoyed it a lot. Anyway,
I didn't do anything on that for years, and then
I decided to do it recently with the reason and

(45:50):
I've enjoyed it, you know, So I'm going to do
more of it offter the YouTube channel because it's it's
it's been fun.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
I did.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
I did a couple. I did want to the old
Eureka in and there was a green orb there and
you see the green orb hit her EMF and then
the MF lights up. Yeah. So you know, you can
often say that's a lens reflection or camera or whatever,
but if you watch that old Jerika In thing, you'll

(46:20):
see the ORB shoot towards her EMF and born at
that exact moment it lights up.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
And goes, that's corroboration right there.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
Corroboration exactly. And I thought that was very cool. That
was at the old Eureka in. And there's another one
at the Boltsam In that's to come so and stuff
happens there but very different. So so and I'm gonna
do more. We're going to do more. I'm going to
research these places and you know, and there are other
ideas for paranormal films with Relic soon. I've got some

(46:50):
really exciting stuff we're just discussing at the moment.

Speaker 3 (46:54):
So that's what Jason and I primarily do is yeah,
that stuff, know, and now we're wanting to do some
go out and get to do some big footing and stuff.
We've just never had the opportunity or the chance to
do it yet. But but that's what we primarily do.
And I really like it. You know. From an early age,

(47:15):
at the age of three, I started being able to
see ghosts. And I've seen on my whole I've seen.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
What I'd love to be able to see one you see,
and I think that's wonderful. I tried to tune myself here.
I have not been able to do it yet. Well,
my sister she could do it, and she she saw this,
She saw this figure. She described him. She said, she says,
always like translucent and he's going about my house and

(47:41):
it was bothering and we were speaking, you know, like
we were Facebook. And because she lives in a little
island called Jersey, and my mum was It was at
home in an area near Boston, and my mum was
a massive skeptic. Yeah, hated it when my father discussed it,
didn't believe in any of it, just and actually very dismissive. Yeah,
which is unusual for her because she's a bit of

(48:01):
a bohemian hippie. But she was very, very very dismissive
of it. And and then Natasha describes this ghost to
to us, and my Mom's just like mouth open and
she said, Oh, that's your great granddad Edgar, but he

(48:22):
was dead before we were born, you know what I mean.
So he's like poking around the house. He's poking around
her house. And she saw him regularly. She saw him regularly. Yeah,
And it's And so I had some interactions with spirits
in Michigan when I was there that was very very strange.

(48:45):
I had one talk to me very very loudly, caught
shout my name and shout help me when I was
in Michigan in this place, very very very loudly. So
I think, you know, for me, you've been seeing them
since you were three. To me, I have to work
on it more. But the more I work on it,

(49:06):
kind of the better I get, so in this I
want to use the sports and theology as well. Like
I might actually be gifted at swimming, but a less
a practice. Yes, I'm just not going to be. It
doesn't matter. But I feel like you've got that gift
that came to you when you were little. I have
to work on it. Yeah, But when I work on it,
it's kind of interesting because I get better at communicating.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
Yeah. Yeah. And you know you'll find that too, because
I think even Jason, you know, has found it over
the years that the more you start tuning in to
these things, you know, the more you can see you
can feel like how you said, how you talk about that.

Speaker 4 (49:47):
You know.

Speaker 3 (49:47):
We went to Chicka Marga and when we hit the
Chicka Marga excuse me battlefield, it felt like someone said
one hundred pounds of weights on my shoulders. The whole time,
I got really sick to my stomach. And I actually
saw a Confederate soldier there. He took his hat off
and was waving at me. Yeah. Yeah, he took us

(50:11):
off like that and started just doing this right here,
like come here.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
You know, did you do anything to him in response?

Speaker 3 (50:18):
Nothing?

Speaker 1 (50:19):
No.

Speaker 3 (50:19):
We was driving in the car because it's like a
self guided tour thing. But I told Jason and everybody.
I was like, look, there's a guy standing right there,
but no one else was able to see him. But
he looks when I see him, they all look like
like me looking at you. They all look real. It
looks real. Yeah, they don't look like dead people. I've

(50:41):
never seen one that looked dead. They all look like
they're alive.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
Yeah, how do you know I know this is I'm sorry,
I've got to ask this full up question. I know
you're interviewing me, but I was very curious. How do
you know that I can see why? You know a
Confederate soldier is a Confederate soldier because he was wearing
because he was wearing. But how do you know you
can it's a dead person or it's not somebody living.

(51:06):
How'd you know that?

Speaker 3 (51:07):
Dad? Well, kind of that feeling like you was talking about,
you know, I get this feeling, and then that's what
makes made me look But then when I got the
coroboration of asking Jason and everybody else in the vehicle,
you guys see him, and no one else in the
car can see the guy standing there, I'm like, well, okay,
never mind, you know, but you know, I think some

(51:32):
of the things, what's what's funny about about having that gift?
I guess if that's what you want to call it,
the way that mine seems to work, I h it's
hard to distinguish between the real, you know, the living

(51:53):
person versus the dead person, because if they were standing
next to each other, I would have a hard time saying,
this one is the dead one and this one is
the one that's a.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
Lot, right. That was that was why I was interested
cut you couldn't tell.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
Really, yeah, And that's what scared me at a young
age because I'd wake up really early in the morning
and they'd be like three or four people standing in
my bedroom and so I jump up screaming and running
too my mom's room, going, you know, there's people in
my bedroom, and of course when there's never anybody there.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
And what what do you think they wanted? They just
wanted to chat or what.

Speaker 3 (52:31):
I don't know, you know, that's something that I've always wondered.
I've never had them throughout my whole life. I've never
had them talk to me. So I've never had an
audio experience an audio Clario Claro audience, experience of any
kind might have all just been visual, and that's fascinating.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
So I've never had a visual but I had a
very clear audio, yeah, very clear, and I had those
feelings and sensations that have had those orbs. But I've
never seen one directly. I hope so to see one directly.
I'm certainly going to keep trying because I find it,
I mean find it enormous fun. If nothing else it is,

(53:16):
it's really interesting.

Speaker 3 (53:18):
Yeah. We get asked a lot, you know what, what
scares you? And I'm like, now, sorry, but no when
it comes to ghosts that I don't get scared. I
run towards. I'm not a runner run away.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
It's great. I love it. It's great. I've loved doing it.
I'm going to carry on doing it, and we're going
to sell some some very cool and unique stuff in
the future on ghosts. I promise you, gentlemen, I'm working
on it. I'm working on it.

Speaker 4 (53:43):
Do you think that I see more and more encrypted
researchers using paranormal equipment, like Steven says in the in
the chat room, h people are really effective, you know, well.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
I think it will depend Number one, I'll try anything
if I think it might get results. Yeah, so nothing.

Speaker 3 (54:08):
You know.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
I think you've got to think outside the box in
order to get results, and I have done in the
past and got results, as you said in your introduction,
with the irang pandec and with a cell your serpent.
The second thing is it depends on the cryptid. Really.
I mean, some things are going to be work better
with with with techniques with with the cryptid, depending on

(54:30):
what it is. So so, you know, I think Bigfoot
is probably the strangest of the lot, but I wouldn't
I wouldn't think the paranormal stuff would work very well
with the rond pandec though. I feel like it's it's
a bipedal rang and that's about all there is to it.
I don't think. I don't think there's anything particularly ether

(54:52):
all about it. Yeah, so for me it would be
a waste of energy. I wouldn't do it. Now. I
could be wrong. I could be, but don't think so.
But with Bigfoot, dude, whatever gets results is the weirdest
one of the lot. Whatever gets results, will try it.
We'll see how the ball rolls. But one thing I
will say is, you know, and we were doing an

(55:17):
interview for Beyond the Ordinary, which is the new sort
of talk show that Relatives started last night with Tim Dill's.
We were talking about talking to him and everyone on
that panel. I think myself, Natalie, Jamie, Melissa and Greg
and Tim, you know, as the guest, we would have

(55:37):
all had slightly different views about Bigfoot. What big Foot?
Maybe it's level of intelligence. So Tim, for example, would
say they're more intelligent than us. I don't think they are. Yeah,
I think they've got certain different intelligences and abilities, but
I don't think they are. But that's totally cool. That's
Tim's opinion and I respect that. What I struggle with

(56:00):
times is the fact that you have to make value
judgments about evidence. And I'm not saying that, and so
you have to take it it's worth. But people can
get very vicious and ridiculous. You know, Tim's a good man,
very honest man. I like him a lot. He has
a slightly different opinion to me as to the level

(56:20):
of Bigfoots intelligence. So what you know, what I mean
in the Bigfoot world, that can then be enough for
somebody to become mortal enemies. You know, we know, we
none of us know anything for some evidence based on
our own biases, on our own methodology, we're going to

(56:42):
assess us less credible than others. We can't just say
everything's the same. That's not notional. But but you know you,
you might have a different opinion. You might be telling
me bigfoots, a ghosts or whatever. I'm not going to
dismiss I don't think it is, but I'm not going
to dismiss you. Because of that, we shall never speak again,
very dare you. That's just ridiculous.

Speaker 4 (57:03):
Yes, some people do.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
That's my point. That's just ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (57:08):
When it comes to the WU side, especially like you know,
saying that there's a possibility that they have other abilities
other than what you would think that just a normal
bipedal animal would have, and that's enough to divide. I'm
okay with that.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
I mean, the only the only thing I'd say when
you talk about WU that you have to be extremely
careful of is that people don't build a fabric around it,
which is quasi religious. So because that's you know, so
I've heard people say with all sincerity that oh, they

(57:46):
they're just still goodness and light and they just want
to love you, and there can never be there can
never be a a harmful one, you know, And for me,
that's just that's a that's when you dismiss evidence, that's
being nonsense because and why do I dismiss that? And
I dismissed the person, I'd still be respectful. But why

(58:09):
would I dismiss that, Because there's no evidence ever of
that ever being the case. So you know, let's take
let's take my dog. There are good dogs and bad dogs,
yeah there are, yeah, let you know, and people, nice people,
not so nice people. Why would every example of every

(58:29):
species be benevolent? That's just that's just not credible. That's
not incredible analysis to me. So I would I would
not waste any mental energy on that. Right. But the
hardest point about everyone about nobody being an expert. That's true.
But but but but I think it moves past that
point to the to the sense that you do have

(58:52):
to make your own judgments about evidence and where something
might be and not be, because not lesia deciding who
you should research with or what equipment you should take,
or where are the best places, And that's all assessment
of evidence. But what I'm not about is denigrating somebody
else who has a different approach. You know, if you

(59:14):
go and use a rempod and you find a big
foot good on you, I'll be your biggest cheerleader. It
won't be something i'll use, but I'll be your biggest
cheerleader if you're right. Yeah, because I just want you
to succeed.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
Yeah, that's see, that's amazing. You know a lot of
a lot of people don't don't say it that way.

Speaker 4 (59:33):
You were talking about the Thank you, Greg? Yeah, thanks Greg.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
I can't see chat.

Speaker 4 (59:46):
So what did he say?

Speaker 3 (59:48):
You say that David and Jason make good shows. Yeah,
he was on there. They've been on their him, Natalie
was on there, Arley's on there.

Speaker 4 (01:00:00):
His first words was when he came home with squirrels.
I don't know, I.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
Tell you what that means. We were interviewing Beyond. We
were interviewing last night. You'll see Tim Dills's interview on
Beyond the Ordinary and Greg basically from nowhere created a
giant ground squirrel that could build nest. It was really
quite a remarkable achievement for for one man. I managed it.
But that's what he's talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
That's amazing.

Speaker 4 (01:00:28):
Oh man, So yeah, Tim, Tim Dills is on too,
He's in the chat.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
Okay, good, Well, I've just used him as an example.
He's a nice guy, very very straight and honest guy.
As Tim Dills. Yeah, I'm not saying that because he's there.

Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
I said it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
Before I knew you were in the chest turned up.

Speaker 3 (01:00:55):
So mhm, what was one of your main things for
wanting to like over here, you know, in East Tennessee
area and stuff like that. Was it to get closer
to the smoky mountains and all the crazy stuff that's
possibly there.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
Sorry, the reason's in the background point to giving me
thumbs up, going, me, me, me, that was why you
were here. I can help laughing because she's like, she's
like heckling me from from behind the computer. Well, there's
a combination of things about why I moved to America

(01:01:33):
in the first instance, so one of the because I
want to bring in an important point here, So about
I think it's two thousand and eight when I was
with Dr Jeff Meldrum in China, and then when I
was there, I did not look for big Foot yet,

(01:01:56):
And I originally pitched the idea to Monster Quest to
look for the Yearine in China, and they pared me
up with him, and I didn't and it would like
we got on fabulously, but we were very different. So
he was a he was a Latter day Saint bishop,
you know, and he was non drinking and non smoking,

(01:02:21):
and I can't say the same about all those things.
So so I was like, shees, we're sharing a room.
I was just going to go. But we got on
really really well, really well, super guy, So sorry passed away.
But when when we were sat there in the hotel
room in Beijing, we'd finished during the filming in Beijing

(01:02:44):
before we went off to Who Buy Province, and I
said to him, you know, tell me about the things
in it. Should should I look for it or whatever?
And he's like, absolutely you should. Adam and got his
laptopilem me loads of examples why and when and all
that lot. So I can honestly say that if it

(01:03:05):
hadn't been for Jeff Meldrem, I would have never bothered
doing any of that stuff, and I wouldn't be sat
here now. So he was the first. It was the
first starting point. And then I went and moved to
San Diego and after my marriage split up, it was
like six and a half years there. My then marriage ended.

(01:03:27):
Then you know, that's it, but I was already a
US citizen and by then, and I was like, well,
what am I going to do? What am going to
do next? In Theresa, I'd been over to the Smokeyes
a few times, first of all for a conference in Gatlinburg,
the Smoking Mounty Conference, and I thought, oh, gosh, this
place is nice. And then I started going out and

(01:03:49):
researching with her and coming over more, you know, so
she said, well, why don't you Why don't you come
here after? Originally I lived in Ohio for six months
and then I went from Ohio to the Smoky's and
I love it.

Speaker 4 (01:04:01):
Yeah, Grace, Yeah, we live, well you live Do you
live in Marble that's right? Yeah, yeah, we live just
right down there.

Speaker 3 (01:04:12):
We're just we're in Loud and so loud. You live
in louder Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
I didn't realize you lived that there.

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
Yeah. Yeah, we're we're literally a stone's throwaway.

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
I think I was. I was, you know, I was
in at Tellico Lake the other day. Take that went
through loudon the other day.

Speaker 3 (01:04:32):
Yeah. Yeah, that's funny. See we're neighbors.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
Yeah, we are literally you must well you must be
only like half an hour away from me if.

Speaker 3 (01:04:41):
Yeah, yep, at most, depending on where you are exactly. Yeah,
right in the center of Marle right, yeah, yeah, yeah,
because we're from where we are right now doing this show.
We could be on three twenty one in I know
ten minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
Well, I I live I live right near Blood Hospital.
Without giving my street, I live right near Blood Hospital.

Speaker 3 (01:05:09):
So when you'll know, you'll have people going.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't want to have that hands
with that. When I was in California one time, I
learned my lesson.

Speaker 3 (01:05:19):
I believe me. That's why we say, you know, we're
we're in the bunker.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
Yeah. I literally had a few people wrap on my
door in San Diego. Oh no, I won't be laving
my street in case anyone in chat.

Speaker 3 (01:05:37):
Yeah yeah, no, it ain't happened. East Tennessee. Uh, that's funny,
So we won't have to take you to the last
place that we went and did an investigation sometime.

Speaker 4 (01:05:52):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:05:53):
Uh. It's called the The locals here call it the
Coogie Booger Cougie Booger.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
Yeah, could not be more appropriate East Tennessee name than that. Yes,
like you just pulled it out of your pocket. Tell
me about the Booger I'm interested.

Speaker 3 (01:06:09):
So, so what's crazy is that? And this is I
moved to this part or to Louden when I was fifteen,
and this is a story that I've heard the whole
time I've ever lived here. But uh, this so a
lot of people have seen bigfoot in that area, and

(01:06:31):
they call it the Coochie booger. Right, it's a booger,
kind of like a wood booger or anything like that.

Speaker 4 (01:06:37):
And I want to correcting. When we were younger, it
was called Kuchie book.

Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
It was a Kouchie booger. We've changed it just a
little bit because of that.

Speaker 4 (01:06:47):
Kuchie. I don't know if you're familiar.

Speaker 5 (01:06:49):
That, I want to change you back to Kuchie booger.

Speaker 3 (01:06:59):
People are like, no, you're with the wrong woman if
you're talking about it that way, and.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
Ye in your pocket, my god.

Speaker 3 (01:07:10):
But no. So the stories, there's tons of stories, but
one that really sticks out is, you know, a guy
talks about when we were all in high school. They're
going out there to scare some women. So they've got
a friend of theirs going out in a car with
some girls and they're him and a buddy of his

(01:07:31):
is out there going to jump out because this is
a little bitty two lane it's really a one lane
road that two cars could barely squeeze beside each other.
And so they're going to jump out of the darkness
and scare everybody. So they get in place and the
car pulls up and they do that, and so now
they've got like a mile walk back to their vehicle.

(01:07:53):
And so as they're walking down this little bit of
gravel road, they hear something in the woodline, they see them,
and and so they stop and it stops, and so
then they start walking again, and after they take a
few steps, it starts walking with them again too, and

(01:08:15):
so they start getting scared. They're thinking, you know what's
going on. You know what is what's happening, is someone
following us in the woods. And so as they go,
all of a sudden that this thing like screams at them,
it roars, and it takes off running, and then it

(01:08:35):
gets on all fours and runs across the road as
they're there, and goes on through the creek area and
then kind of turns back around and roars at them again.
And by this time they're they're running as fast as
they can, and this thing takes back off after them,

(01:08:55):
and and they said that that it was the scariest
thing that's ever happened to them. There it's in Louden. Yeah,
it's it's literally ten minutes from our house.

Speaker 4 (01:09:11):
I will do that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:12):
Then that sounds interesting, Yeah, and uh. Then also there's
a it's always was called a whale, but it's really
it's a spring house. And supposedly a little girl drowned
in that spring house, and so sometimes people see a
ghost there of a little girl and all kinds of
other stuff. And that's at the same place. Yes, sir,

(01:09:37):
the ghost. I have not seen the ghost. When we
did our last little you know, we was going there
to do just a paranormal investigation of the whale or
of the of the spring house. Something was off in
the woods, throwing, throwing rocks at us. And uh, I

(01:09:59):
wish I would have brought my thermal or my my
not vision goggles. I didn't, but there was something in
the woods throwing and you could hear in the video.
At one point it passed right by Jason and Jason's like,
that's it, I'm done, I'm done, let's go.

Speaker 4 (01:10:17):
I mean it came whizzing by my head and we're
in this wellhouse with block walls and a big roof
over it, so it's not falling on them.

Speaker 3 (01:10:25):
Yeah, nothing's falling down, you know, it's coming in sideways.

Speaker 4 (01:10:29):
And it hit that stone wall and I got up.
I said, I can't set with my back.

Speaker 3 (01:10:35):
I'm done.

Speaker 4 (01:10:36):
I can't set with my back to these So.

Speaker 3 (01:10:37):
I said, okay, we'll swap. So I sat there.

Speaker 4 (01:10:40):
Yeah, it was pretty intense. Also, I called a mist. Yeah,
on on the camera was weird.

Speaker 3 (01:10:51):
Yes, it's funny because he catches it at first and
he looks at me and he goes, David, He goes,
can you see your breath? So I go nope, And
then all of a sudden you see it again, come
like really close to the camera lens, and it's like, oh,
that's that's interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
Yeah, there's a lot going on there. Then, yes, it's interesting.
How you have these spots of this intensitive paranormal activity
or strangeness. And I wonder you know what causes them?
I really do. How do they how do they formulate?
I'm not professing that you might have answers. I don't
have answers certainly, but right, well, where did these things

(01:11:30):
come from?

Speaker 3 (01:11:31):
It's really it is, and it I don't know, I
mean without getting too wooy. I mean a lot of
people would be like, you know, maybe it's a you know,
lay lines or or something like that. I don't know.
It is fascinating where you have these places like Skinwalker
Ranch and and places like that where they just seem

(01:11:56):
to have a lot of activity. You know. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:59):
I think what's interesting is that that people from a
wide variety of background see these things, not just people
with an interest in it like us. So when I
went I went to skin walk around sh area. I
was with one of my friends is a guy called
Ryan Skinner. He did the Blind Frog Ranch stories and

(01:12:20):
he comes in that a lot. He's in that. And
he took us around in the middle of the night
to the skin Walk Iranch area, So were wandering over
the desert there and he's out there a lot. And
one of the guys was with us was an army psychiatrist,
so very sort of credible witness. You know, his job

(01:12:41):
is to he has to be very cogent in order
to deal with the sort of things he deals with.
And he said, we were moving around this area, we
were within visual range of one another, but we were
a few hundred yards. Yeah, so there's enough light to see,
like for the moonlight to see around and where our

(01:13:03):
vehicle was. He comes like astonished, he said, I've just
seen several shadow figures, black shadow figures walking around our vehicle.

Speaker 3 (01:13:12):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:13:13):
So it wasn't a guy who was going to be
prone to fanciful non notions, you know what I mean.
And he was astonished, and he was talking about it,
and he expected to see nothing, and yet there you
have it. You know, I always think those are very
good witnesses because he was able to suspend his ego
enough to accept it because he was curious.

Speaker 3 (01:13:33):
And I like that that's hard for some people to do,
you know, like you said, it's been just stop that
ego for a minute. That our ego was something that
we hang on to very I think a little bit
too much. And what you.

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
Don't want to is this, I mean, you know, don't
want to accept these things. It's like a cognitive dissonance point.
I remember going with to the Congo with a zoologist
and he was adamant that the lake Telle would have
no tributaries off it, and when we got there, it
did have massive tributaries off it, you know, big waterways

(01:14:13):
that linked on, because I said they did because we were.

Speaker 3 (01:14:16):
And he was.

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
He and I came back first of all because I've
been out in a parogue with two of the Bantu
tribesmen were and he refused to accept it. And I
was like, John, you need to come with me now.
And when I showed him it, I had to physically
show it because even though we were at the lake,
he still didn't believe it, even though I'd just come
back from one, you know, because he didn't want it.

(01:14:39):
He didn't want it so so so so and then
that was that.

Speaker 3 (01:14:46):
Did he at least accept it once he found saw it?

Speaker 2 (01:14:49):
He did, but he crumpled up. It hits him hard.
It hit him hard because he started to think that
that he was going to be is his ideas and
his values were going to be radically changed, and people
can be very resistant to that. Some people just don't

(01:15:09):
I just don't want that to happen. That isn't the
case for us. Yes, and I accept that Natalie would
make a fine ghost, I'm sure, but but but but
you know, if but but we don't want I mean,
some people just don't want to accept the notion of

(01:15:29):
unless they're prevented, unless they're presented with very very hard evidence.
And it doesn't mean that they're not good people. And
I gave you an example earlier on when my mother
refused to accept anything parallel, refused until she has had
no choice. And it has to be at that level
for a lot of people. But you know, I've never

(01:15:50):
been myself. People have said to me, you know, well,
what what what you know? What do you think about?
What do you say to people who don't believe in
Bigfoot or don't believe in this, that and the other.
And I'm like, dude, I don't care. I'm not out
to evangelize people. I'm not standing for the big Foot
Party or the Machelium and Member Party or whatever it is.

(01:16:11):
I'm interested in providing evidence and I want you to
enjoy what I do. Sure, but I'm not I'm not
prepared to persuade you as such. That's not what I'm about.
I'm about answers to questions to satisfy my curiosity. You know,
that's always been an adventure. That's always been what I've
been about. It's not to put this, not to persuade
Betsy Sue who lives down the road, that the Bigfoot's real.

(01:16:37):
I don't care what she thinks. And I don't mean
that in a bad way. I just don't. I just
don't care. You know.

Speaker 3 (01:16:43):
Well, that's the first thing, you know, when Jason and
I do our talks about the paranormal, that's one of
the first things we talk about is the fact that
you know, we're not doing this in any way, shape
or form to try to convince you that any of
the is real. Either you're going to or you're not.
You're gonna look at the evidence say it's real or

(01:17:04):
you're not, you know, I mean, there's no other way
about it.

Speaker 4 (01:17:08):
And sometimes though I can't understand with all the evidence
of of Sasquatch and Bigfoot that they people still I
can't believe it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
I mean because they don't want it, because it's outside there.
It goes to that cognizant dissonance. Put it's outside their
conceptual thinking. Yes, you know, if you if you don't
go outdoors or outside in the countryside, and you live
in the city and you know, and you watch I
don't know, the Kardashians or whatever, and that's your life experience,

(01:17:41):
why should you believe in big Foot. It's too fanciful
a notion for you to grip. Now, we we live
in fairly rural areas. Yeah, we're We've been interested in
these things for years. My mom there can see ghosts.
You know, he's never gonna have a he's never gonna
have a conservative mindset because of what happens to him.

(01:18:02):
And I'm with us. You know, we've got a lot
of natural curiosity. Some people just aren't that curious. They
just don't give the stuff. Yeah, and they really don't.
And I learned that to my show. Just give me
one example, because I want to make this point to
you so you can see, because your thinking is very
different from most people. So when I finished university, I

(01:18:23):
had to get a job very quickly because I had,
you know, bills to pay, and I started working selling
these things called trackers, which I think they were called
lojacks in the United States, but basically I sat on
a table selling them as my first job after university.

(01:18:44):
And they put me on a table and there was
really ridiculously hierarchical because I was good at selling these things.
So they put me with the two other best sellers
and we were on this open plan table, and this
woman called Carol and this woman called Carrot. They were
really nice people. But in the morning, all they would
talk about, I mean all was what sandwich they were

(01:19:07):
going to eat lunched. And I couldn't believe this conversation
could carry on every day for hours in between calls.
It wasn't constant, you know, they'd take calls or whatever,
but it did, it really did. And in the afternoon
it was what soap opera they were going to watch
that night, And apart from a bit of peppering of
their kids, that was all they ever talked about. And

(01:19:29):
if I and they were nice, nice people, but if
I wanted to get them onto any other subject, they'd
look at me politely like I was, he goes again
on one of his nonsense trips. They go back to
the prawl mayonnaise sandwich or whatever or whatever, and that
was that was what they wanted. They didn't want to challenge,

(01:19:51):
they didn't want to come out of their comfort zone
because that was where they felt they belonged. But but
what I would say is that the biggest killer of
people I'm going to be very controversial here, the biggest
killer of people in my opinion, because I think it
relates to illness. Is comfort zone. Being stuck in your
comfort zone and not moving out of it, you know,

(01:20:14):
just doing that because it's always a bit uncomfortable. So
it's like a pair of shoes they just rub a
bit because they're not too tight, so you won't throw
them out. When you get them on, you're like, oh,
these damn shoes, but you still wear them all day
even though they irritate you.

Speaker 3 (01:20:31):
That's what the.

Speaker 2 (01:20:32):
Comfort zone really is. It's the comfort zone is elusive
because it's not that comfortable, and it's also restrictive because
it means you're ending up treading water, just waiting to die.
Do not stay in your comfort zone. Yes, that's my point.

Speaker 4 (01:20:49):
So we got time for probably one more question and
then we'll let you give out all your information. But yeah, yeah, sure,
this is a good question. Had If Adam Davies had
to choose one creature or one location to devote the
rest of his life to try to solve it, what

(01:21:11):
would it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:12):
Be that that used to be the around Pandak in
Samatra Because I was always fascinated by that and I
knew it was on the edge of extinction and I
wanted to try and get to it before I could,
so it's very altruistic. But now it's Bigfoot, because that's
the most interesting of the lot. I think I've seen
the cell your Soapan, I've seen I've tracked the around Pandak.

(01:21:35):
I've seen some incredible things, some other things that I
could talk about a whole other time. But I've seen
some amazing things. But Bigfoot's is the most interesting to me.

Speaker 3 (01:21:46):
Awesome, that's amazing. I've been lucky to see him. One
time I've seen Bigfoot and it was a roadside siding.
So back when I used to drive truck were the

(01:22:06):
wife and I were team drivers. So she drove day shift,
I drove night shift, and so we had already switched.
It was about eleven o'clock at night. We're driving I
ninety in Washington State and we're going to go deliver
that next morning our load. And you know that late
at night on I ninety there's almost nothing. I mean,

(01:22:28):
it's dead, and so I'm driving. There's a fog bank
that's about four car links ahead, right, So about four
car links ahead you would be able to make out,
say the tail lights of a vehicle you wouldn't be
able to make out the vehicle itself. And so coming
up right out of the median is a big foot

(01:22:52):
and it takes about three steps across and starts up
the other side of the mountain right there before I
could even reach him. Yeah, and it was amazing. I mean,
it wasn't a few seconds, but what was crazy? It
is And it took me a while to driving to

(01:23:12):
try to rationalize what it was. I just saw, you know,
And and that's why I tell people, you don't rationalize
the irrational. You just he was dark. He was dark colored.
I mean, it was nighttime, he was right at that
fog bank, but he was dark colored. He was, you know,
either a really dark brown or blackish kind of color.

(01:23:39):
And I know that if I pulled over, I could
have had a face to face conversation in that big truck.
I could roll down the windows. I mean, but how.

Speaker 2 (01:23:47):
Massive huge things are?

Speaker 3 (01:23:50):
Huge massive, and how fast they could move even though.

Speaker 2 (01:23:54):
They're consistent, just so you know, that's consistent. So one
of the things that we know about bigfoot is that
people often talk about how rapidly it moves. Yeah, and
I saw that when I was tracking one in on
the thermal in Alaska, if you recall mm hmm, it's
the same in Nepal. So when I spoke to my

(01:24:16):
witnesses in Nepal, they'll talk about how rapidly it moves,
almost like a liquid, I mean, so quick, much quicker
than we could ever move ourselves across ridiculous terrae. Yeah,
that's I think that's interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:24:31):
I do. Yeah, yeah, I was. I still think about
it every once in a while because it was just
it was amazing, That's what I'll say. It was amazing. Yeah,
But I want to get out and try to see
if I could see him again in his you know,
natural habitat The.

Speaker 2 (01:24:51):
One thing I'd say to you is yeah, I love it. Yeah,
but but but never get too obsessed, try and do
other things. So, you know, when people say to me
and this, I think this is an important point. People
say to me, you know, it's it's it's it's lost time,
you know, going out and all this lot because the
chances of you seeing anything are very tiny, indeed, and
that's certainly true. The chances of you seeing anything, oh

(01:25:13):
very tiny indeed. But for me, I just love being
out in nature. I love being out in the woods.
A day out in nature is never a day lost.
It heals me. I feel good when I'm in nature.
I love it. I love being out in the woods.
I love being out in nature, and I always have
done since I was a child. So I'm you know,
a handful of tangible experiences in my whole life of

(01:25:36):
a strange creatures and phenomena. Absolutely, but I've had wonderful
adventures along the way, and I've seen some remarkable things. Yeah,
and from that small boy with a crushed leg too.
Now I can genuinely say I've lived my life, so
I don't have any regrets about a damn thing.

Speaker 3 (01:25:55):
That's awesome, Yeah it is. That's awesome.

Speaker 4 (01:25:59):
So little Yeah, if you want to tell everybody what
you're doing or what you're going to be doing, and
where they can find your books and stuff, you know, well.

Speaker 2 (01:26:08):
I can find my books on Amazon. The latest is
The Moon Eyed People. As you said before, I have
three extreme expedition books out. So if he's got my
face on it, it's an account of my expeditions over
the years. If it's a novel, it's got a piece
of art. So so Mooney People is based on those
creatures from Georgia. It also deals with feral people in

(01:26:29):
terms of my solo stuff, the Adam Davies Explorer YouTube
and Adam Davis Explorer website, and I also have an
Adam Davies Davies public Facebook page. The stuff with Relic
Relic films that's on the on the Relic Film's website
Facebook page. There's obviously the Vanish is coming up on

(01:26:53):
the thirty first of January and the conference, so any
of the Relic stuff you can find details of on
the Relic Facebook page. Two. So some great films coming
up and oh some some great things planned as well
as a there's some other things coming up next year

(01:27:13):
that are going to be really good. So I'm optimistic
as ever, I'm a realistic optimist. Gentlemen.

Speaker 3 (01:27:23):
That's awesome. Are you Are you planning on being at
the Bigfoot Festival in Townsend? Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:27:31):
Yeah, on the second mate, Yeah, I will be there
so well. Relic, Greg and Natalie I don't know. I
don't know where the militia is, but Greg and Natalie
I think are almost certainly going. Greg definitely going. Natalie.
It depends on the work, I'm sure, but yeah, so
I'm going. Yeah, they're going and there's I know, I
know some of the other guests who are being unveiled,

(01:27:52):
and they're really good, so it'll be a good it'll
be a good time. The thing about towns End is,
of course you can just wander so yes, you know,
I'm into the conferences and the talks like you guys maybe,
but if you want to see big foot wrestling somebody
and that's your jam, then you can go and watch
watch that happening. When but I know what's happened. I

(01:28:13):
could hit him, you.

Speaker 3 (01:28:14):
Know, sas Squatch, Sax squatchad that sack Squatch.

Speaker 2 (01:28:22):
It's really hard. It goes against the great Squah.

Speaker 3 (01:28:27):
It's pretty good. This will be our third year at that.
At that we always set up and do do a
live show.

Speaker 2 (01:28:34):
You see what I'm wearing, gentlemen.

Speaker 3 (01:28:37):
At that I love it. That's awesome. Yeah, that's amazing.

Speaker 4 (01:28:45):
We really appreciate your time, and we know you're busy
and hopefully you can come back and because you got
some some exciting stories, I mean, but.

Speaker 2 (01:28:55):
There's plenty more. But thank you for inviting me, gentlemen.
And as we're neighbors, I'm sure I'll say center.

Speaker 3 (01:29:01):
Of the later absolutely absolutely. We'll have to get together
and do something sometimes sounds good. All right, thank you,
you have a good night.

Speaker 2 (01:29:10):
My pleasure. Thank you guys.

Speaker 3 (01:29:12):
By bye. All right. That was Adam Davies.

Speaker 4 (01:29:17):
That was Adam Davies. Very good guy.

Speaker 3 (01:29:19):
That's amazing, nice guy. Nice. Yeah, that's that's amazing.

Speaker 4 (01:29:24):
From around the world.

Speaker 3 (01:29:26):
Yes, I would love to do that.

Speaker 4 (01:29:28):
Yeah, he's got a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:29:29):
Of not on the time I've ever been out of
America is if I drove or going on a cruise.

Speaker 4 (01:29:39):
Thanks everybody that's me been to the Bahamas, that's about it.

Speaker 3 (01:29:43):
I've been to quite a few places cruising, but I've.

Speaker 4 (01:29:46):
Never been past Memphis that way.

Speaker 2 (01:29:50):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:29:51):
Yeah, I've done that before I was even the truck driver.

Speaker 4 (01:29:54):
As far as north as I've been would be uh,
Kentucky or or North Carolina up in there.

Speaker 3 (01:30:02):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (01:30:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:30:04):
Yeah, We're gonna have to start getting some some miles in.

Speaker 4 (01:30:09):
I'm getting too old.

Speaker 3 (01:30:11):
I want to thank everybody for showing up and being
part of the show tonight. It was amazing. Adam Davies
was an amazing guest and I want to thank him
again for being part of the show. Remember you can
find us at paranormafore one one dot org, Paranormal four

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(01:31:16):
are available on Amazon or dot Join us. Yeah, thank
you very much, Thank you, bodnight.

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