October 9, 2025 • 47 mins
or decades, the elusive creature known as Bigfoot, Sasquatch, or the Skunk Ape has captivated imaginations, primarily as an undiscovered primate lurking in the deep wilderness. The prevailing narrative paints Bigfoot as a biological mystery – a large, reclusive hominid yet to be officially cataloged by science. However, a growing subset of researchers and experiencers propose a far more intriguing, and unsettling, alternative: what if Bigfoot isn't just an animal, but something... more? Welcome to the shadowy realm of the "Paranormal Bigfoot Theory," where the lines between cryptozoology, ufology, and the supernatural blur into a captivating, albeit controversial, tapestry.
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Paranormal Bigfoot, beyond the Woods, exploring the paranormal Bigfoot theory.
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Hey Roger, Yeah, tonight we're gonna we're gonna be talking
about some paranormal Bigfoot.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Paranormal big feet.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
So, you know, for decades, the elusive creature on his
bigfoot sasquatch or some of them in Florida College Skunkcape.
It's captivated imaginations, you know, primarily as an undiscovered primate
lurking in the deep wilderness. So the prevailing narrative paints
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Bigfoot as a biological mystery, a large, reclusive hominide yet
to officially be cataloged by science.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Does that mean yes, that's so. Your phone always goes
crazy when we're doing the show.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
We turn that off.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Let's see, you're a busy man.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
So, however, a growing subset of researchers and experiencers proposed
a far more intriguing and unsettling alternative. What if Bigfoot
isn't just an animal but something more, you know, something
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more paranormal. Yes, so we want to welcome you tonight
to the show. That's what we're going to be talking about,
the paranormal bigfoot theory, and David h no, I'm still
going in a yes, SuperNature.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
You're in a hurry to get get stop talking there,
I know it.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
I'm sucked up. So the traditional bigfoot hunt focuses on tracks,
scat hair, and blurry photographs, but we're better known as
blob squatches, yeah, circle squatches. Yeah. So uh for those
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that embrace the paranormal theory like I do, and I
think David does, these tangible pieces of evidence are often
accompanied by phenomena that defy conventional explanations. Right, So the
core of this perspective lies in the creature, seemingly impossible abilities,
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and the homeless events surrounding some of the encounters. Right,
David was gonna talk about some of these abilities right now.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Yeah, we're going to start off talking about some infra sound. Hey,
overtly over.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Stocked oscars, overtly over stocked oscarsfish.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Oh, that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
You know I've out got putting jail over a puffer fish.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
What was you doing? Or do you want to tell
that story? That's that'd be a weird one. I was married.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Listen to me. Now, I was married for about for
about a.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Year, they all started either I was married, or hold
my beer.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
With my oldest son's mother, and so you know my clothes,
knew the way back home to my mom's and uh,
A lot of times we got in arguments, and I
told her to watch what she eats, because I can
order a puffer fish off the internet. Well, about two
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weeks two three weeks later, I was working down at Honda.
Here comes the law, Here come the po po and
they were laughing. They were laughing. They said, well, we
got to serve a restraining order on you for you threatened. Hey,
baby girl, you threatened so and so with the poison
with a puffer fish. It was funny.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
I mean, that is about I can't believe you do that, Jason.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
I did.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Oh man, that's that's a pretty good story. I've never
heard that one before. No, no, you've never told me
that story. Yeah, that was.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
That was a while back. That's been at least twenty
years ago, at least maybe more than that, in.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
A long time since we've worked at Honda. No, you're
not late. So we're going to talk about some infrasound. Now,
the concept of Bigfoot utilizing infrasound is one of the
most physically tangible aspects of the paranormal theory. Witnesses often
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report a sudden and intense feeling of dread, a sickening
wave of nausea, or a paralyzing pressure in the chest
just before ordering an encounter. Now, these are classic physiological
responses to sound frequencies below the threshold of human hearing.
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And I think that's typically below twenty herts. All right, Jason, Yeah,
if my memory serves me correct, right over the oversoaked,
my hobe would have me locked up.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
I thought I was going to jail when the HR
lady busted out laughing and the cops were going crazy.
You've threatened. I may have. I'd been drinking a little
bit and just little YEA.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
A truly massive animal could naturally produce such sounds, But
now the theory suggests a level of control and intentionality.
It's up, Stephen, So this isn't merely the roar of
an enraged beast. Some researchers believe that Bigfoot may deliberately
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admit these powerful low frequency waves as a psychological deterrent
or a weapon. So infrasound is known to cause anxiety, hallucinations,
and disorientation in humans, So by strategically deploying it, the
creature could effectively incapacitate an intruder or make them flee
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the area, ensuring its own continued anonymity without resorting to
physical confrontation. Now, this elevates the Bigfoot from a simple
hommetad to a sophisticated entity using an advanced form of
biological warfare. Yes, and it's pretty much been explained as
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almost the same thing as a big cat.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Yeah, like a gut oral growl, or something that you
could feel in the chest, like a base a sub
wolfer beaten down your chest.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Yeah, that you can't hear it, but you can feel it.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Hum.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Yeah. Yeah. Now, the intentional use of infrasound also speaks
to a higher level of intelligence than a typical undiscovered
ape would have. It suggests the creature understands the physiological
and physical effects of sound on the human biology. Now,
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this level of tactical awareness is a key departure from
the flesh and blood hypothesis. I want to be that
less in blood hypothesis. It's all hypothesis implying a conscious
effort to manipulate the environment and the perceptions of witnesses,
further protecting the species from discovery. Now, ultimately, the infrasound
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hypothesis moves to the conversation away from visual evidence to
century evidence. Now it seeks to explain the often consistent
feeling that accompanies an encounter, a feeling that leaves witnesses shaking,
psychologically disturbed, and even if they never get a clear look.
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This subjective, yet widely reported phenomenon as a powerful driver
for the paranormal interpretation of the Bigfoot mystery.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Yeah. You get a lot of reports and I've heard them.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Yes, arcane discoveries. They I do believe they are supernatural.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Yeah, you get overly over stock. Oscar says elephants are
like a rumble starting at your feet standing on a subway.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
For Wow, that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
But everybody's heard. I know, we have heard people talk
about their experiences and a lot of times they don't
see nothing, but they get spoke to yep through their mind.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Yep, they'll get that mind speak. Yeah, you know, and
then the same thing like this, you know, people will
maybe hear something off in the distance a little ways
off from them, maybe thirty forty yards or so. But
then they'll get hit with this dread. They'll feel something
in their chest and they'll just get scared. Yeah, a
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lot of people ready to run that fight or flight
kicks in.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
If you're in your right mind, that would be a
stiff warning to move on, right, move on. I think
has a good natural defense. Maybe not natural, but well, I.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Mean you look at it, and we do have a
fighter flight response. Everybody does, and so that's what happens,
is it it triggers that fighter flight response and uh,
and some people just freeze in that in that moment.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
And somehow these creatures know what it does. Hmm.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
I'd say over the millennia of using it, of doing it,
it's probably what causes, you know, the fact that they're like,
oh yeah, I watched this, hey JR.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Watch this, Yeah, look at that urdact all over and
watching my mom getting So how many have heard reports
of two footprints then nothing, or one footprint then nothing. Yeah,
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it's called the vanishing act.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Well, it's you know, and there's a lot of people
who try to circumvent that by saying, oh, well, they
they're experts and walking their tracks backwards or you know,
name your your pick of what other people might say.
But but I think we've heard it about about everything.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
You know. I was actually watching today, uh, a trailer
of David Pilotitis Politess new documentary coming out right.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
And I've seen one witness where it was talking about
they followed these tracks for a while and then they
just went to nothing. It was in snow, then no
tracks at all. So how do how do you do
that without being beamed up or something.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
That's it or a door opening up and you just yeah,
stepping through it. So all right, we got these we
got these hairless people following us. Let's just a step
through this portal.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Yeah, open her up, bemus up, Scottie. So, the problem
of bigfoots elusiveness is a central pillar of the paranormal argument.
For a creature purportedly eight to ten feet tall and
weighing hundreds of pounds, it should be physically impossible to
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simply banish from sight in a matter of seconds, right,
especially in areas of thick brush or dense forest. Yeah.
Countless eye witnesses have described exactly this. The creature is
observed one moment and has disappeared the next often without
a single tail tail snap of a twig, a disturbance,
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and the environment or anything right. So this parent apparent
violation of physics has led to the theory of this
is what I like interdimensional travel.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Or the.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Natural or the use of natural space time distortions. In
this view, certain wilderness areas act as portals or windows
that allows the creature to slip out of your reality
and into the other into another. So proponents speculate that
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Bigfoot may not so much be hiding in the deep woods,
but rather moving fluidly between its own dimensions and hours.
I like that, and that would perfectly explain the sudden
appearance and impossible disappearances a Bigfoot. Adding to the mystery
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or reports that suggest Bigfoot can manipulate light and electromagnetic
fields to cloak itself. Now we've seen video of cloaking, yes,
and it was awesome.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Yes, you know.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
This could range from a biological mechanism that distorts light.
Light waves could be distorted around its body to advance
or perhaps alien derived you know, we never know. This
effect would create the illusion of vanishing into thin air
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and explaining why no physical evidence is left behind. And
why thermal cameras sometimes fail to pick up the creature's
heat signature. That's crazy, that's it.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
That is interesting.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
So the vanishing act is arguably the single most frustrating
detail for traditional crip those zoologists.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
And probably one of the main reasons why the field
hasn't really advanced as much as it should have over
all these years, because a most people are so tied
up with it being flesh and blood only. Most of
them refuse to even look at any of these other
things that we're talking about.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Won't even talk to you, even acknowledge you.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
That's right. And half the time if you're giving them
a statement, they leave those all that stuff out. They'll
only take what what fits their narrative. And but I
mean this right here, would like you said, would make
it also harder for them to be found.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Yeah, I mean they would have an ability that could
it's proof for us, but hear safe for them, right,
it's wu. Yeah. So the goal is no longer to
find a headden animal, but to understand a phenomenon that
interacts with the fundamental laws of reality. Until a physical
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body is produced, the question remains, is the creature simply
a master of stealth or a master of space and time.
I like the last one, space and time, space and time.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Mm hmm. Well that throws it right back into the
possibility of aliens. Yeah, I a should be George Suglos.
It's not aliens, Steven from ourcane discoveries. They have one
foot in our natural world and the unnatural world. Like
I've said, the energy and vibrations they could possibly do.
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Yeah right, I mean Native Americans have said it, you know,
for thousands of years too, that they walk in both worlds,
not only this physical world but also the spiritual world.
Trust the wood. Mm hmm. Well, I mean, and that's
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the problem I have with big organizations and stuff, because okay,
I guess I could see it from both perspectives. Their perspective,
they just want to be not called crazy and koops
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for believing and encryptid, and they also want to be
taken serious by academia and and all those people to
try to get this character categorized. So I could kind
of understand it. But at the same time, when time
after time after time after time again, you hear people's
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encounters with these things things that ain't almost always have orbs,
and you know, all the stuff you find one anybody
that's ever gone looking for these things. We've interviewed tons
of people and there's these very same things, these these
mind speak that some people get the fact that, like
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Jason was talking about just a minute ago, you'll have
footprints that just go and then stop. They just end
in terrain that it shouldn't end in snow, mud things
like that. You know, I could see if it's rocky terrain,
that makes sense, but in these other types of terrain, no,
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you know where they'll have these infrasound type things that
happen to them, but they leave every bit of that
out because they don't want nothing to do with the WU.
But that's not going to bring anything closer to being
found if if we don't acknowledge all these things and
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then try to go find this thing using what we can,
knowing what its abilities might be.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Yeah, I think that's why it's taken so long to
recognize these the Bigfoot, because research they need to do
a little different research to capture more of what this
thing is. I don't think it's just going and looking
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for poop or hair. I think it's just looking for
the paranormal side. I think that they.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Should incorporate the paranormal side in with it, and it
would definitely help.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Yeah. I mean we could get a better put up.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Rim pods out in the woods in different places and
wait for them to get tripped. Me.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
I would love to see their faces when it comes out. Yeah, Hey,
this thing is just supernatural.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Yeah, yes, exactly, exactly. Yeah. I think they do need
to bring more paranormal investigation tactics to it. I think
that that would just further the field. Absolutely. So we're
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going to talk about some light phenomena with bigfoot orbs
things like that. So the frequent co occurrence of bigfoot
sightings with anomalist lights or unexplained aerial phenomena, we all
know what that is, right, The new nice word for
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saying UFO presents a compelling, if bizarre link to uphology.
Now witnesses often report observing strange, silent orbs of light,
occasionally hovering or maneuvering erratically in the same remote areas
where they encounter sasquatch. Now. This overlap suggests that the
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bigfoot mystery may not be isolated, but is a piece
of a much larger, larger global puzzle of high strangeness. Yes,
and how do some of these places that really don't
have much of forests and stuff, but they still see
Bigfoot there?
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Right?
Speaker 3 (23:26):
That just tells me something, you know, Lori Wade, yeah,
talks about her sapping event. Right. You know. This pattern
has led some to propose that Bigfoot is either directly
connected to extraterrestrial life or is an entity native to
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a different plane of existence that is somehow connected to
UFO events. Well, that would come across really well, I
think with portals and things like that, right, And we've
talked about that on this show quite a few times now.
One version of this theory posits that Bigfoot is an
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alien life form or a hybridized creature, possibly left here
on Earth or they're utilizing the planet as a biological
research zone. Now, the orbs and silent lights could therefore
be craft or surveillance technologies associated with its true origin.
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Now let's take that for just a second. Right there,
the movie of Greg Gogels that we watched, right, you
see this beautiful blue orb dancing and like, hey, look
at me, look at me, Look at me, look at me,
look at me. So you won't see what's happening on
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the ground of that thing. Spider walking I know, all.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Right, that's what I had on my mind just now
when we was talking about this, right, So.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
It's like they are working in conjunction with each other.
How I mean astraction, Yeah, it's it's saying, I'm this big,
beautiful blue light that shouldn't be here. Look at me,
Look at me, Focus on me, so you don't see
you know, so.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
You don't see bigfoot army crawling towards you to get
a better look.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Yeah, spider crawler.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
That's crazy that.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
I don't get spooked by a lot of things, but
I think that a massive creature spider crawling towards me
would be would be wicked, very wicked.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Oh, just to mention, Greg Gogel's got a new film
coming out Thanks going to premiere January the thirty first
in Alabama. Yeah, I think anybody at wants to go
to his event can go to ever event bright and
buy tickets. Just search up for the Vanished premiere of
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the Vanished. Yeah, I hope we get to go. Yeah,
that's four hours away, think bad.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
I could drive that one mine as close. So there's
a more earth centric theory that suggests that the lights
and creatures both emanate from the same energy source or
geological anomaly, and that would come back from where some
people see orbs morphing into these creatures or these creatures
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morphing into orbs and then going away. Right now, Proponents
of this view look at areas rich in pasoelectric materials
where geological stress can generate luminous phenomenon, which in turn
might also be some how linked to the president President's
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high presence of interdimensional beings. So in this scenario, Bigfoot
and the orbs are both symp symptoms of localized high
energy environments that breaches the normal barrier between dimensions. So,
regardless of the specific mechanism, the consistency of the UFO
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Bigfoot connection in so many desperate reports cannot be easily
dismissed by paranormal investigators. And that's what we was talking
about a little bit ago, w wasn't it. It moves
the conversation away from simple natural misidentification and towards a
highly complex technological or transdimensional phenomenon. Now, for those who
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believe the goal of the show then becomes not just
to find Bigfoot, but to investigate the high strangeness these
locations where our reality seems to tear open.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
So overtly. Overstoked Oscars asked, what do you think they
do with the people they capture?
Speaker 3 (28:14):
That? That is interesting because there's so many stories.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Of that.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
That I don't know. I don't know. I mean, I
have a a thought on women. Yeah, because for some reason,
every time that they've done these studies, no matter who's
done the studies, and no matter what ald hair they
found and from where, all the mitochondrial or the female
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side is always human and the male side is always
unknown primate.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
I hope they're not dinner. Could be, it could be.
I know the the reptilians like to eat flesh, had
a treaty with them that they could take so many
cows and humans up. So they say, that's what they say.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
I'd like to know that.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
So the next, Uh, superpowers that we're going to talk about.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Which we've talked, we've said a few times during this already.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Yeah, telepathy and mine speak. Now we've had reports of
mine speak to our very first guest, mister Matt Seber
on paranormal before one one. Yes, and Uh, I believe
every word that comes out of that man's mouth. Because
he's a great friend. And he said that that it
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happened to him. All he could hear was I'm here,
So it was letting him know that it was there. Yeah,
it's crazy. So among the most unsettling, and at least
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among the most settling and the least verifiable paranormal claims
are those concerning direct mental communication from Bigfoot. That would
be weird, yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Mean from anything. To have someone else's voice in my
head other than my own, I think would be weird
a little unsettling.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Yeah, But numerous, numerous witnesses, particularly those who have had
a close range or prolonged or repeated encounter, reports receiving distinct,
often urgent thoughts directly into their mind. So this phenomena
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termed mine speak, is invariably described as a profound and
undeniable intrusion of consciousness, not a mere instinctive reaction to
an animal. Stephen says, you, guys, Matt and I should
get together. I have never got to sit down and
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talk with him as I would like. Yeah, he's a
great guy. He's had a lot of reports and a
couple of I don't think he's ever seen Bigfoot, has he?
This sun did Yeh Sun did.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
That's what got him into all.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
That he did get mine spoke to. So the content
of these telepathic messages is frequently consistent commands to like leave,
stay away, or a projection of overwhelming fear and anger
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designed to drive the human intruder out of the area.
So this suggests a form of nonverbal, intelligent communication that
serves an immediate self preservation function. If it's proven, it
would mean that Bigfoot is not only an unknown hominid,
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but one with highly advanced psychic capabilities, far beyond those
currently recognized in any terrestrial species.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Now, this theory implies a level of consciousness and intelligence
that rivals or even surpasses our own, choosing to communicate
via telepathy rather than audible language to maintain its secrecy.
A being that can perceive and influence human thoughts is
inherently more formidable than one that can merely break branches.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
That's fact.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Yeah. So this mental prowess reinforces the idea of Bigfoot
as a trickster or guardian of the wilderness, which a
lot of natives say he is or it is, and
it's able to manipulate human emotion and perception. That will
m hm. So while it's impossible to prove with current
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scientific methods, which they need to uh, these people, these
big researchers, need to start using some different equipment. I think.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Ye.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Well, if if you try something and it doesn't work,
but you keep trying it anyway thinking it's going to work,
you're insane, right, I mean, that's that's insanity.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Well, what's rude? Yeah, what's rude? When I say all myself,
I meant to say sorry.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
What So.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
It suggests a shared experience that cannot be easily dismissed
as simple hallucinations or misinterpretations. Ultimately, the reports of mine
speak force the issue. If Bigfoot is real, we may
be dealing with a being that doesn't just share our world,
but it interacts with us on a fundamentally different and
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far more powerful level. Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
Think that's true. Yeah, what are all of y'all think?
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Get out of my brain? That's what she said. That's
rude to get in.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
So, you know, we talked about a myriad of things tonight.
We've talked about ORBS, possible UFO connection, We've talked about
the fact that mind speak. What else have we talked about.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Portals, portals, dimensions and.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
All kinds of stuff.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Yeah, you know, I mean.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
I think all the above. Yeah, I mean I think
until we know more, you accept it all and then
when you as we get more evidence, we can start
narrowing the focus, you.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
Know, narrow it down. Yeah. Yeah, Well that's the show tonight.
I know it's a little short, but we've had fun
talking about it.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
Yeah. Yeah, thanks everybody for all this awesome chat going
on in the chat room. We really appreciate it. Do
y'all have anything that y'all want to talk about before
we before we decide to go? Mm hmm. What did
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Eddie say?
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Eddie says, any researcher that refuses to look at all
the evidence is biased.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
Yes, yes, absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
I think they it needs to lead to that they
need at least need to take the people that's given
them this evidence that's telling them what's happened to them
seriously instead of brushing it off right well.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
And and like Eddie says, being biased about it, right,
instead of taking the pieces that they want lot logging
that in and then everything else, they kind of just
cut around it and throw it away. And I think
that if we finally could get these people to open
(37:14):
up to these POSSIBILITI. Well, I think that a lot
of them I won't say opened up, but I think
a lot of them they definitely know about it because
they've heard enough people talk about it, right, you know,
about these these this woo side of all this. I
just don't know why there's not more people who will
(37:36):
take it serious.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
I don't know. They just they need to get more
evidence on tape or something, or some kind of devices
we use in the paranormal world, Yeah, to get this
thing checked out.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
So that is right, if we just stopped flesh and blood.
When you have a theory, you've got to take everything well,
and that's the thing, yeah, absolutely, you know. That's the
thing is that if if we take this theory of
only flesh and blood, so we're only going to listen
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to people and evidence that supports what we're talking about, right,
then at the same time we're going to dismiss all
the rest of the evidence because it's just absurd, it
doesn't support our hypothesis. But then when you've been doing
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this for ever and it doesn't get you any further,
then you've got to think that, you know, what are
we doing wrong, don't know, Roger, we need to do
it though. Yeah. Hey, we have a lot of sightings
(38:58):
in this area.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
Yeah, and a lot of pretty good researchers too, Yeah,
Steven and Eddie and they're good researchers and I think
they got quite a bit of equipment too.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
Yeah. Would you like to come up, Roger and do
them with us, that'd be.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
Fun, Yeah I would yeah, mm hmmm.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
We'll definitely bring some some paranormal equipment. Oh yeah, I
think that would make it right. I think if you
could catch something, you know, like with an SLS or
something like that. I think that if something tried to cloak,
(39:50):
it wouldn't matter because it would still be able to
see it.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Yeah, just like with that uh light or in that cave.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
Yep, saw it perfectly.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
But you don't hear about it anymore. I mean you've
seen it on the show, but they don't talk about it.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
What's funny is that I've only ever heard us on
this show talk about it multiple times. Yeah, I've never
heard anyone else talk about that on that that happened
on that show.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I tried to even ask them
when they came Hello, Tennessee can take you Bigfoot.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
Yeah, you may have to go back and listen because
we were about to We're almost done, almost done.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
Man, when they were here the last time they were
all here at the Bigfoot conference in Gatlinburg and was there.
You know, you try to ask them, and you know,
they don't really talk about it. One person would.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Yeah. Some of the people that we've had on the
show too, have not liked to talk about it. But
I always ask it.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
I mean, you've got to ask the questions.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Yeah, they just say something like what what what did
they say?
Speaker 3 (41:12):
A lot of times you'll get stuff like, well, you know,
I just you know, I've never seen nothing like that.
And in my research with I've never seen anything like that.
You know, That's that's what you usually get.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
And so.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
I'll even bring Michelle Yes, the psychic. That would be
awesome because I've I've seen some people what does that
show on? Something something Beautiful that's on on on YouTube.
It's about a big Foot. It's like almost hour long
episodes and it's just people getting interviewed. There's some really
(41:56):
interesting ones on there where their psyche they have these
psychic abilities and they've got a lot of interactions with
bigfoot because they're psychic. I think I think that would
definitely help. Yeah, We're have to plan this now, Roger. Yes,
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and then maybe maybe we could do some paranoridal investigations.
When you come up to.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
I always like, yeah, it is getting great camping weather.
It is, let's do it. As tone Loke said, yes, yes,
let's do it.
Speaker 3 (42:42):
Yeah, because I mean it's it's raining enough and everything
out there that that the ground would be moist enough
to probably get some pretty good footprints. Jeffers Hill, I
would like to go to Jeffers Hill. I know we're
not that far from it, but I would like to go,
uh just to get like what you was talking about
that you've caught there, you know what that looks like
(43:07):
fire and hearing the dog's bay and and all that
stuff that that would be pretty cool. I would I
would love that. That'd be fun.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
We'll have to do it one weekend.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
Ye.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
I think I think Stevens should set it up.
Speaker 3 (43:24):
Hey, when he sets it up, we'll we'll do it.
Remember this tomorrow, I'm going to be on another podcast.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
We're going to be on Within the Cauldron with Chrissy Dunham.
Speaker 3 (43:41):
Yes, Coke Creek.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
Yes, not too far either, right, And this Saturday, October
the eleventh, we're going to be at the Knox County
Public Library at the Cedar Bluff location at two thirty pm.
Then October twenty third, which is on a Thursday, we're
(44:09):
going to be at the O'Connor Senior Center in Knoxville
at two pm. Then don't forget miss fits in Mayhem
October twenty fifth, Yeah, Downtown Loud in Tennessee. I think
it starts at two pm, so you need to come
on out and join us. I think it goes what
like two to six or two to seven or two
(44:31):
to something.
Speaker 3 (44:32):
Yeah, yeah, definitely come. If you could come to any
of the times we're speaking, that'd be great. We'd love
to see you. We should have most of our new
books in with us.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
Too, so oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:47):
And but if not, you know, we'll be here every
Thursday and every Saturday, as right, are we going to
be doing one this Saturday?
Speaker 1 (44:59):
No?
Speaker 2 (45:00):
I don't think so. This Saturday we're going to the talk,
So thank you all. I think we're gonna not do
one this Saturday.
Speaker 3 (45:10):
Gotcha, Well, we'll have one tomorrow, and I think the
one Tomorrow is gonna be a full show, right, like
a two hour show. I don't know how long they
do one.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
I don't know. I really don't know.
Speaker 3 (45:22):
They've not told us a lot. But either way, we're
gonna have fun. Yes, it's it's fun. They've been on
our show a couple of times and they're really fun
people to talk to. So all right, all right, everybody,
remember remember you can find us on before one one
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Yes, so.
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Stop coming on in. Don blow it up. Hey, we're
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Oh, yes, tomorrow night. Yep, eight o'clock right, yeah, well,
hey Roger seven pm Central Time, eight pm Eastern. Yeah,
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What's up. Haven't seen Eddie in like five million years?
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I know, right.
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Hey Roger, Yeah, tonight we're gonna we're gonna be talking
about some paranormal Bigfoot.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Paranormal big feet.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
So, you know, for decades, the elusive creature on his
bigfoot sasquatch or some of them in Florida College Skunkcape.
It's captivated imaginations, you know, primarily as an undiscovered primate
lurking in the deep wilderness. So the prevailing narrative paints
(03:01):
Bigfoot as a biological mystery, a large, reclusive hominide yet
to officially be cataloged by science.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Does that mean yes, that's so. Your phone always goes
crazy when we're doing the show.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
We turn that off.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Let's see, you're a busy man.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
So, however, a growing subset of researchers and experiencers proposed
a far more intriguing and unsettling alternative. What if Bigfoot
isn't just an animal but something more, you know, something
(03:48):
more paranormal. Yes, so we want to welcome you tonight
to the show. That's what we're going to be talking about,
the paranormal bigfoot theory, and David h no, I'm still
going in a yes, SuperNature.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
You're in a hurry to get get stop talking there,
I know it.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
I'm sucked up. So the traditional bigfoot hunt focuses on tracks,
scat hair, and blurry photographs, but we're better known as
blob squatches, yeah, circle squatches. Yeah. So uh for those
(04:35):
that embrace the paranormal theory like I do, and I
think David does, these tangible pieces of evidence are often
accompanied by phenomena that defy conventional explanations. Right, So the
core of this perspective lies in the creature, seemingly impossible abilities,
(04:59):
and the homeless events surrounding some of the encounters. Right,
David was gonna talk about some of these abilities right now.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Yeah, we're going to start off talking about some infra sound. Hey,
overtly over.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Stocked oscars, overtly over stocked oscarsfish.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Oh, that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
You know I've out got putting jail over a puffer fish.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
What was you doing? Or do you want to tell
that story? That's that'd be a weird one. I was married.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Listen to me. Now, I was married for about for
about a.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Year, they all started either I was married, or hold
my beer.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
With my oldest son's mother, and so you know my clothes,
knew the way back home to my mom's and uh,
A lot of times we got in arguments, and I
told her to watch what she eats, because I can
order a puffer fish off the internet. Well, about two
(06:11):
weeks two three weeks later, I was working down at Honda.
Here comes the law, Here come the po po and
they were laughing. They were laughing. They said, well, we
got to serve a restraining order on you for you threatened. Hey,
baby girl, you threatened so and so with the poison
with a puffer fish. It was funny.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
I mean, that is about I can't believe you do that, Jason.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
I did.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Oh man, that's that's a pretty good story. I've never
heard that one before. No, no, you've never told me
that story. Yeah, that was.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
That was a while back. That's been at least twenty
years ago, at least maybe more than that, in.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
A long time since we've worked at Honda. No, you're
not late. So we're going to talk about some infrasound. Now,
the concept of Bigfoot utilizing infrasound is one of the
most physically tangible aspects of the paranormal theory. Witnesses often
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report a sudden and intense feeling of dread, a sickening
wave of nausea, or a paralyzing pressure in the chest
just before ordering an encounter. Now, these are classic physiological
responses to sound frequencies below the threshold of human hearing.
(07:37):
And I think that's typically below twenty herts. All right, Jason, Yeah,
if my memory serves me correct, right over the oversoaked,
my hobe would have me locked up.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
I thought I was going to jail when the HR
lady busted out laughing and the cops were going crazy.
You've threatened. I may have. I'd been drinking a little
bit and just little YEA.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
A truly massive animal could naturally produce such sounds, But
now the theory suggests a level of control and intentionality.
It's up, Stephen, So this isn't merely the roar of
an enraged beast. Some researchers believe that Bigfoot may deliberately
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admit these powerful low frequency waves as a psychological deterrent
or a weapon. So infrasound is known to cause anxiety, hallucinations,
and disorientation in humans, So by strategically deploying it, the
creature could effectively incapacitate an intruder or make them flee
(08:50):
the area, ensuring its own continued anonymity without resorting to
physical confrontation. Now, this elevates the Bigfoot from a simple
hommetad to a sophisticated entity using an advanced form of
biological warfare. Yes, and it's pretty much been explained as
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almost the same thing as a big cat.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Yeah, like a gut oral growl, or something that you
could feel in the chest, like a base a sub
wolfer beaten down your chest.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Yeah, that you can't hear it, but you can feel it.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Hum.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Yeah. Yeah. Now, the intentional use of infrasound also speaks
to a higher level of intelligence than a typical undiscovered
ape would have. It suggests the creature understands the physiological
and physical effects of sound on the human biology. Now,
(09:52):
this level of tactical awareness is a key departure from
the flesh and blood hypothesis. I want to be that
less in blood hypothesis. It's all hypothesis implying a conscious
effort to manipulate the environment and the perceptions of witnesses,
further protecting the species from discovery. Now, ultimately, the infrasound
(10:17):
hypothesis moves to the conversation away from visual evidence to
century evidence. Now it seeks to explain the often consistent
feeling that accompanies an encounter, a feeling that leaves witnesses shaking,
psychologically disturbed, and even if they never get a clear look.
(10:41):
This subjective, yet widely reported phenomenon as a powerful driver
for the paranormal interpretation of the Bigfoot mystery.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Yeah. You get a lot of reports and I've heard them.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Yes, arcane discoveries. They I do believe they are supernatural.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Yeah, you get overly over stock. Oscar says elephants are
like a rumble starting at your feet standing on a subway.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
For Wow, that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
But everybody's heard. I know, we have heard people talk
about their experiences and a lot of times they don't
see nothing, but they get spoke to yep through their mind.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Yep, they'll get that mind speak. Yeah, you know, and
then the same thing like this, you know, people will
maybe hear something off in the distance a little ways
off from them, maybe thirty forty yards or so. But
then they'll get hit with this dread. They'll feel something
in their chest and they'll just get scared. Yeah, a
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lot of people ready to run that fight or flight
kicks in.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
If you're in your right mind, that would be a
stiff warning to move on, right, move on. I think
has a good natural defense. Maybe not natural, but well, I.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Mean you look at it, and we do have a
fighter flight response. Everybody does, and so that's what happens,
is it it triggers that fighter flight response and uh,
and some people just freeze in that in that moment.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
And somehow these creatures know what it does. Hmm.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
I'd say over the millennia of using it, of doing it,
it's probably what causes, you know, the fact that they're like,
oh yeah, I watched this, hey JR.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Watch this, Yeah, look at that urdact all over and
watching my mom getting So how many have heard reports
of two footprints then nothing, or one footprint then nothing. Yeah,
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it's called the vanishing act.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Well, it's you know, and there's a lot of people
who try to circumvent that by saying, oh, well, they
they're experts and walking their tracks backwards or you know,
name your your pick of what other people might say.
But but I think we've heard it about about everything.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
You know. I was actually watching today, uh, a trailer
of David Pilotitis Politess new documentary coming out right.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
And I've seen one witness where it was talking about
they followed these tracks for a while and then they
just went to nothing. It was in snow, then no
tracks at all. So how do how do you do
that without being beamed up or something.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
That's it or a door opening up and you just yeah,
stepping through it. So all right, we got these we
got these hairless people following us. Let's just a step
through this portal.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Yeah, open her up, bemus up, Scottie. So, the problem
of bigfoots elusiveness is a central pillar of the paranormal argument.
For a creature purportedly eight to ten feet tall and
weighing hundreds of pounds, it should be physically impossible to
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simply banish from sight in a matter of seconds, right,
especially in areas of thick brush or dense forest. Yeah.
Countless eye witnesses have described exactly this. The creature is
observed one moment and has disappeared the next often without
a single tail tail snap of a twig, a disturbance,
(14:52):
and the environment or anything right. So this parent apparent
violation of physics has led to the theory of this
is what I like interdimensional travel.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Or the.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Natural or the use of natural space time distortions. In
this view, certain wilderness areas act as portals or windows
that allows the creature to slip out of your reality
and into the other into another. So proponents speculate that
(15:36):
Bigfoot may not so much be hiding in the deep woods,
but rather moving fluidly between its own dimensions and hours.
I like that, and that would perfectly explain the sudden
appearance and impossible disappearances a Bigfoot. Adding to the mystery
(16:01):
or reports that suggest Bigfoot can manipulate light and electromagnetic
fields to cloak itself. Now we've seen video of cloaking, yes,
and it was awesome.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Yes, you know.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
This could range from a biological mechanism that distorts light.
Light waves could be distorted around its body to advance
or perhaps alien derived you know, we never know. This
effect would create the illusion of vanishing into thin air
(16:38):
and explaining why no physical evidence is left behind. And
why thermal cameras sometimes fail to pick up the creature's
heat signature. That's crazy, that's it.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
That is interesting.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
So the vanishing act is arguably the single most frustrating
detail for traditional crip those zoologists.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
And probably one of the main reasons why the field
hasn't really advanced as much as it should have over
all these years, because a most people are so tied
up with it being flesh and blood only. Most of
them refuse to even look at any of these other
things that we're talking about.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Won't even talk to you, even acknowledge you.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
That's right. And half the time if you're giving them
a statement, they leave those all that stuff out. They'll
only take what what fits their narrative. And but I
mean this right here, would like you said, would make
it also harder for them to be found.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Yeah, I mean they would have an ability that could
it's proof for us, but hear safe for them, right,
it's wu. Yeah. So the goal is no longer to
find a headden animal, but to understand a phenomenon that
interacts with the fundamental laws of reality. Until a physical
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body is produced, the question remains, is the creature simply
a master of stealth or a master of space and time.
I like the last one, space and time, space and time.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Mm hmm. Well that throws it right back into the
possibility of aliens. Yeah, I a should be George Suglos.
It's not aliens, Steven from ourcane discoveries. They have one
foot in our natural world and the unnatural world. Like
I've said, the energy and vibrations they could possibly do.
(18:49):
Yeah right, I mean Native Americans have said it, you know,
for thousands of years too, that they walk in both worlds,
not only this physical world but also the spiritual world.
Trust the wood. Mm hmm. Well, I mean, and that's
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the problem I have with big organizations and stuff, because okay,
I guess I could see it from both perspectives. Their perspective,
they just want to be not called crazy and koops
(19:33):
for believing and encryptid, and they also want to be
taken serious by academia and and all those people to
try to get this character categorized. So I could kind
of understand it. But at the same time, when time
after time after time after time again, you hear people's
(19:59):
encounters with these things things that ain't almost always have orbs,
and you know, all the stuff you find one anybody
that's ever gone looking for these things. We've interviewed tons
of people and there's these very same things, these these
mind speak that some people get the fact that, like
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Jason was talking about just a minute ago, you'll have
footprints that just go and then stop. They just end
in terrain that it shouldn't end in snow, mud things
like that. You know, I could see if it's rocky terrain,
that makes sense, but in these other types of terrain, no,
(20:42):
you know where they'll have these infrasound type things that
happen to them, but they leave every bit of that
out because they don't want nothing to do with the WU.
But that's not going to bring anything closer to being
found if if we don't acknowledge all these things and
(21:03):
then try to go find this thing using what we can,
knowing what its abilities might be.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Yeah, I think that's why it's taken so long to
recognize these the Bigfoot, because research they need to do
a little different research to capture more of what this
thing is. I don't think it's just going and looking
(21:33):
for poop or hair. I think it's just looking for
the paranormal side. I think that they.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Should incorporate the paranormal side in with it, and it
would definitely help.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Yeah. I mean we could get a better put up.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Rim pods out in the woods in different places and
wait for them to get tripped. Me.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
I would love to see their faces when it comes out. Yeah, Hey,
this thing is just supernatural.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Yeah, yes, exactly, exactly. Yeah. I think they do need
to bring more paranormal investigation tactics to it. I think
that that would just further the field. Absolutely. So we're
(22:20):
going to talk about some light phenomena with bigfoot orbs
things like that. So the frequent co occurrence of bigfoot
sightings with anomalist lights or unexplained aerial phenomena, we all
know what that is, right, The new nice word for
(22:41):
saying UFO presents a compelling, if bizarre link to uphology.
Now witnesses often report observing strange, silent orbs of light,
occasionally hovering or maneuvering erratically in the same remote areas
where they encounter sasquatch. Now. This overlap suggests that the
(23:05):
bigfoot mystery may not be isolated, but is a piece
of a much larger, larger global puzzle of high strangeness. Yes,
and how do some of these places that really don't
have much of forests and stuff, but they still see
Bigfoot there?
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Right?
Speaker 3 (23:26):
That just tells me something, you know, Lori Wade, yeah,
talks about her sapping event. Right. You know. This pattern
has led some to propose that Bigfoot is either directly
connected to extraterrestrial life or is an entity native to
(23:51):
a different plane of existence that is somehow connected to
UFO events. Well, that would come across really well, I
think with portals and things like that, right, And we've
talked about that on this show quite a few times now.
One version of this theory posits that Bigfoot is an
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alien life form or a hybridized creature, possibly left here
on Earth or they're utilizing the planet as a biological
research zone. Now, the orbs and silent lights could therefore
be craft or surveillance technologies associated with its true origin.
(24:36):
Now let's take that for just a second. Right there,
the movie of Greg Gogels that we watched, right, you
see this beautiful blue orb dancing and like, hey, look
at me, look at me, Look at me, look at me,
look at me. So you won't see what's happening on
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the ground of that thing. Spider walking I know, all.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Right, that's what I had on my mind just now
when we was talking about this, right, So.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
It's like they are working in conjunction with each other.
How I mean astraction, Yeah, it's it's saying, I'm this big,
beautiful blue light that shouldn't be here. Look at me,
Look at me, Focus on me, so you don't see
you know, so.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
You don't see bigfoot army crawling towards you to get
a better look.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Yeah, spider crawler.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
That's crazy that.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
I don't get spooked by a lot of things, but
I think that a massive creature spider crawling towards me
would be would be wicked, very wicked.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Oh, just to mention, Greg Gogel's got a new film
coming out Thanks going to premiere January the thirty first
in Alabama. Yeah, I think anybody at wants to go
to his event can go to ever event bright and
buy tickets. Just search up for the Vanished premiere of
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the Vanished. Yeah, I hope we get to go. Yeah,
that's four hours away, think bad.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
I could drive that one mine as close. So there's
a more earth centric theory that suggests that the lights
and creatures both emanate from the same energy source or
geological anomaly, and that would come back from where some
people see orbs morphing into these creatures or these creatures
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morphing into orbs and then going away. Right now, Proponents
of this view look at areas rich in pasoelectric materials
where geological stress can generate luminous phenomenon, which in turn
might also be some how linked to the president President's
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high presence of interdimensional beings. So in this scenario, Bigfoot
and the orbs are both symp symptoms of localized high
energy environments that breaches the normal barrier between dimensions. So,
regardless of the specific mechanism, the consistency of the UFO
(27:25):
Bigfoot connection in so many desperate reports cannot be easily
dismissed by paranormal investigators. And that's what we was talking
about a little bit ago, w wasn't it. It moves
the conversation away from simple natural misidentification and towards a
highly complex technological or transdimensional phenomenon. Now, for those who
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believe the goal of the show then becomes not just
to find Bigfoot, but to investigate the high strangeness these
locations where our reality seems to tear open.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
So overtly. Overstoked Oscars asked, what do you think they
do with the people they capture?
Speaker 3 (28:14):
That? That is interesting because there's so many stories.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Of that.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
That I don't know. I don't know. I mean, I
have a a thought on women. Yeah, because for some reason,
every time that they've done these studies, no matter who's
done the studies, and no matter what ald hair they
found and from where, all the mitochondrial or the female
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side is always human and the male side is always
unknown primate.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
I hope they're not dinner. Could be, it could be.
I know the the reptilians like to eat flesh, had
a treaty with them that they could take so many
cows and humans up. So they say, that's what they say.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
I'd like to know that.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
So the next, Uh, superpowers that we're going to talk about.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Which we've talked, we've said a few times during this already.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Yeah, telepathy and mine speak. Now we've had reports of
mine speak to our very first guest, mister Matt Seber
on paranormal before one one. Yes, and Uh, I believe
every word that comes out of that man's mouth. Because
he's a great friend. And he said that that it
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happened to him. All he could hear was I'm here,
So it was letting him know that it was there. Yeah,
it's crazy. So among the most unsettling, and at least
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among the most settling and the least verifiable paranormal claims
are those concerning direct mental communication from Bigfoot. That would
be weird, yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Mean from anything. To have someone else's voice in my
head other than my own, I think would be weird
a little unsettling.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Yeah, But numerous, numerous witnesses, particularly those who have had
a close range or prolonged or repeated encounter, reports receiving distinct,
often urgent thoughts directly into their mind. So this phenomena
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termed mine speak, is invariably described as a profound and
undeniable intrusion of consciousness, not a mere instinctive reaction to
an animal. Stephen says, you, guys, Matt and I should
get together. I have never got to sit down and
(31:24):
talk with him as I would like. Yeah, he's a
great guy. He's had a lot of reports and a
couple of I don't think he's ever seen Bigfoot, has he?
This sun did Yeh Sun did.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
That's what got him into all.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
That he did get mine spoke to. So the content
of these telepathic messages is frequently consistent commands to like leave,
stay away, or a projection of overwhelming fear and anger
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designed to drive the human intruder out of the area.
So this suggests a form of nonverbal, intelligent communication that
serves an immediate self preservation function. If it's proven, it
would mean that Bigfoot is not only an unknown hominid,
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but one with highly advanced psychic capabilities, far beyond those
currently recognized in any terrestrial species.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Now, this theory implies a level of consciousness and intelligence
that rivals or even surpasses our own, choosing to communicate
via telepathy rather than audible language to maintain its secrecy.
A being that can perceive and influence human thoughts is
inherently more formidable than one that can merely break branches.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
That's fact.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Yeah. So this mental prowess reinforces the idea of Bigfoot
as a trickster or guardian of the wilderness, which a
lot of natives say he is or it is, and
it's able to manipulate human emotion and perception. That will
m hm. So while it's impossible to prove with current
(33:23):
scientific methods, which they need to uh, these people, these
big researchers, need to start using some different equipment. I think.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Ye.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Well, if if you try something and it doesn't work,
but you keep trying it anyway thinking it's going to work,
you're insane, right, I mean, that's that's insanity.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Well, what's rude? Yeah, what's rude? When I say all myself,
I meant to say sorry.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
What So.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
It suggests a shared experience that cannot be easily dismissed
as simple hallucinations or misinterpretations. Ultimately, the reports of mine
speak force the issue. If Bigfoot is real, we may
be dealing with a being that doesn't just share our world,
but it interacts with us on a fundamentally different and
(34:46):
far more powerful level. Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
Think that's true. Yeah, what are all of y'all think?
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Get out of my brain? That's what she said. That's
rude to get in.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
So, you know, we talked about a myriad of things tonight.
We've talked about ORBS, possible UFO connection, We've talked about
the fact that mind speak. What else have we talked about.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Portals, portals, dimensions and.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
All kinds of stuff.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Yeah, you know, I mean.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
I think all the above. Yeah, I mean I think
until we know more, you accept it all and then
when you as we get more evidence, we can start
narrowing the focus, you.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
Know, narrow it down. Yeah. Yeah, Well that's the show tonight.
I know it's a little short, but we've had fun
talking about it.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
Yeah. Yeah, thanks everybody for all this awesome chat going
on in the chat room. We really appreciate it. Do
y'all have anything that y'all want to talk about before
we before we decide to go? Mm hmm. What did
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Eddie say?
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Eddie says, any researcher that refuses to look at all
the evidence is biased.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
Yes, yes, absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
I think they it needs to lead to that they
need at least need to take the people that's given
them this evidence that's telling them what's happened to them
seriously instead of brushing it off right well.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
And and like Eddie says, being biased about it, right,
instead of taking the pieces that they want lot logging
that in and then everything else, they kind of just
cut around it and throw it away. And I think
that if we finally could get these people to open
(37:14):
up to these POSSIBILITI. Well, I think that a lot
of them I won't say opened up, but I think
a lot of them they definitely know about it because
they've heard enough people talk about it, right, you know,
about these these this woo side of all this. I
just don't know why there's not more people who will
(37:36):
take it serious.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
I don't know. They just they need to get more
evidence on tape or something, or some kind of devices
we use in the paranormal world, Yeah, to get this
thing checked out.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
So that is right, if we just stopped flesh and blood.
When you have a theory, you've got to take everything well,
and that's the thing, yeah, absolutely, you know. That's the
thing is that if if we take this theory of
only flesh and blood, so we're only going to listen
(38:15):
to people and evidence that supports what we're talking about, right,
then at the same time we're going to dismiss all
the rest of the evidence because it's just absurd, it
doesn't support our hypothesis. But then when you've been doing
(38:38):
this for ever and it doesn't get you any further,
then you've got to think that, you know, what are
we doing wrong, don't know, Roger, we need to do
it though. Yeah. Hey, we have a lot of sightings
(38:58):
in this area.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
Yeah, and a lot of pretty good researchers too, Yeah,
Steven and Eddie and they're good researchers and I think
they got quite a bit of equipment too.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
Yeah. Would you like to come up, Roger and do
them with us, that'd be.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
Fun, Yeah I would yeah, mm hmmm.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
We'll definitely bring some some paranormal equipment. Oh yeah, I
think that would make it right. I think if you
could catch something, you know, like with an SLS or
something like that. I think that if something tried to cloak,
(39:50):
it wouldn't matter because it would still be able to
see it.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Yeah, just like with that uh light or in that cave.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
Yep, saw it perfectly.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
But you don't hear about it anymore. I mean you've
seen it on the show, but they don't talk about it.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
What's funny is that I've only ever heard us on
this show talk about it multiple times. Yeah, I've never
heard anyone else talk about that on that that happened
on that show.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I tried to even ask them
when they came Hello, Tennessee can take you Bigfoot.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
Yeah, you may have to go back and listen because
we were about to We're almost done, almost done.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
Man, when they were here the last time they were
all here at the Bigfoot conference in Gatlinburg and was there.
You know, you try to ask them, and you know,
they don't really talk about it. One person would.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Yeah. Some of the people that we've had on the
show too, have not liked to talk about it. But
I always ask it.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
I mean, you've got to ask the questions.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Yeah, they just say something like what what what did
they say?
Speaker 3 (41:12):
A lot of times you'll get stuff like, well, you know,
I just you know, I've never seen nothing like that.
And in my research with I've never seen anything like that.
You know, That's that's what you usually get.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
And so.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
I'll even bring Michelle Yes, the psychic. That would be
awesome because I've I've seen some people what does that
show on? Something something Beautiful that's on on on YouTube.
It's about a big Foot. It's like almost hour long
episodes and it's just people getting interviewed. There's some really
(41:56):
interesting ones on there where their psyche they have these
psychic abilities and they've got a lot of interactions with
bigfoot because they're psychic. I think I think that would
definitely help. Yeah, We're have to plan this now, Roger. Yes,
(42:18):
and then maybe maybe we could do some paranoridal investigations.
When you come up to.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
I always like, yeah, it is getting great camping weather.
It is, let's do it. As tone Loke said, yes, yes,
let's do it.
Speaker 3 (42:42):
Yeah, because I mean it's it's raining enough and everything
out there that that the ground would be moist enough
to probably get some pretty good footprints. Jeffers Hill, I
would like to go to Jeffers Hill. I know we're
not that far from it, but I would like to go,
uh just to get like what you was talking about
that you've caught there, you know what that looks like
(43:07):
fire and hearing the dog's bay and and all that
stuff that that would be pretty cool. I would I
would love that. That'd be fun.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
We'll have to do it one weekend.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
Ye.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
I think I think Stevens should set it up.
Speaker 3 (43:24):
Hey, when he sets it up, we'll we'll do it.
Remember this tomorrow, I'm going to be on another podcast.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
We're going to be on Within the Cauldron with Chrissy Dunham.
Speaker 3 (43:41):
Yes, Coke Creek.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
Yes, not too far either, right, And this Saturday, October
the eleventh, we're going to be at the Knox County
Public Library at the Cedar Bluff location at two thirty pm.
Then October twenty third, which is on a Thursday, we're
(44:09):
going to be at the O'Connor Senior Center in Knoxville
at two pm. Then don't forget miss fits in Mayhem
October twenty fifth, Yeah, Downtown Loud in Tennessee. I think
it starts at two pm, so you need to come
on out and join us. I think it goes what
like two to six or two to seven or two
(44:31):
to something.
Speaker 3 (44:32):
Yeah, yeah, definitely come. If you could come to any
of the times we're speaking, that'd be great. We'd love
to see you. We should have most of our new
books in with us.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
Too, so oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:47):
And but if not, you know, we'll be here every
Thursday and every Saturday, as right, are we going to
be doing one this Saturday?
Speaker 1 (44:59):
No?
Speaker 2 (45:00):
I don't think so. This Saturday we're going to the talk,
So thank you all. I think we're gonna not do
one this Saturday.
Speaker 3 (45:10):
Gotcha, Well, we'll have one tomorrow, and I think the
one Tomorrow is gonna be a full show, right, like
a two hour show. I don't know how long they
do one.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
I don't know. I really don't know.
Speaker 3 (45:22):
They've not told us a lot. But either way, we're
gonna have fun. Yes, it's it's fun. They've been on
our show a couple of times and they're really fun
people to talk to. So all right, all right, everybody,
remember remember you can find us on before one one
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Speaker 2 (46:12):
Now.
Speaker 3 (46:12):
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Speaker 2 (46:38):
Joined, used to be all next time.
Speaker 3 (46:40):
Yes, thank you everybody for stopping in and talking to us. Yeah,
great conversation.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
Really appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (46:47):
We yes, yes, absolutely, thank you.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
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