Chasing Bigfoot With Lori Wade From the BRFO

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Speaker 1 (00:11):
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Speaker 4 (00:50):
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Speaker 2 (00:50):
Right, Well, good evening everybody. Yes, it's Saturday.

Speaker 5 (00:55):
It's a sadder day for the make Orange fans. Tennessee
lost terrible in overtime.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
Where's the Bigfoot character? Yes? What's up? Roger Welsh buddy,
haven't haven't seen you around in a little bit. Yeah,
we're gonna have a great show to night. Yeah. We
got Lori Wade, Lori Copeland Wade. We've we've met her
a few times at some of the festivals and stuff
like that. We freaking lost.

Speaker 5 (01:30):
Sadder day, Like David said, we got Lorie Wade. She's
an investigator for the big Foot Field Researchers Organization or
the b f r O. She leads expeditions in and
around Tennessee and Georgia and also focuses on sightings in Alabama.

(01:56):
And I think she's an Alabama fan, uh she is.
She is known for being a popular expedition organizer who
picks good spots and gets action almost every time. As
a result, she has developed a large following, and Laurie

(02:17):
has shared some of her personal encounters with with the creatures,
including two sightings Uh. She's also the creator of a
etsy shop called Bigfoot in Me, where she goes to
uh all these conventions and festivals and sells handcrafted products.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
Yes, so we're going to bring her own?

Speaker 4 (02:41):
Hello, how are you good?

Speaker 3 (02:46):
So?

Speaker 2 (02:50):
Yeah? I was like, man, how did you?

Speaker 3 (02:51):
Quick? Did did?

Speaker 5 (02:55):
I'm of Tennessee myself, but oh, you are to grow
up in a Tennessee and house.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
Terrible. I'll tell you you. Let me tell you what's funny.
I don't watch football at all.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
You know. That's that's pretty common in the bigfoot world
that people aren't football fans. They're either in the woods
or football fans. I'm a little bit of both.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Roger Wells says, Oh my, I may have to go now.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
So, uh, Laurie, what kind of got you into doing?
You know, the big footing thing and all that stuff.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
I wish I could tell you that, you know, we're
all kind of sick. And I always believed in Bigfoot
as a child.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
My mom.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
The first time I ever went on expedition, my mom
I told her and she's like, well, I'm not surprised
you're doing this. And I said why and she said,
you don't remember. You used to get down beside your
bed and pray, please God, don't let the bigfoots get me.
Well after she said that, I'm like, what, And I
kind of vaguely remember that. And that was before the

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sixth billion dollar man Bigfoot, so I couldn't have seen that.
I don't know where I got it from. So I'm like, Mom,
did something happen to me that you're not telling me about.
She's like, not that I know of. You just used
to pray that every night, So I don't know. And
you know, I kind of believed it throughout my life
and never did anything about it until one day my

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daughter called and she's like, Mom, you've got to turn
on the TV. There's this stupid show called Finding Bigfoot.
Oh no, And then I was hook line and sinker.
And then once I went to my first expedition, I mean,
after the first day, I was like, how can I
sign up for another one. I want to go again.
I love it. I absolutely love it, even though my

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family thinks it's stupid and my husband says, I'm going
through a midlife crisis. But I've been doing it for
thirteen years. It's a long on crisis.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Boy, you've been You've been in crisis mode for a minute.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
Then I have been therapy. I need therapy.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
That's kind of like us and and uh paranormal investigations,
I guess, so, uh uh when you when you go out,
what are some of the common equipment that you bring
with you?

Speaker 3 (05:23):
Well, I always bring a thermal. I really prefer to
have just my my eyes and my ears. I don't
like a lot of equipment. Some of the people have
EVPs and stuff.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
I use a.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
A sound I can't even think of what I'm trying
to tell a sound machine thing, So I can, you know, hear.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
A little bit parabolic?

Speaker 3 (05:46):
Thank you, thank you. I just couldn't even think of
what it's all right moment.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
Ever since I turned fifty. It's it's it happens, you know, Yeah, where.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
Do you turn sixty? You have to remember everything. You
can't remember a past word for anything, But you know,
it's not to me. It's not so much. The equipment
is to being in tune with your own senses. Yes,
And you know, we all have this sixth sense about
us and you just have to learn to listen to that.

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And I know I can usually go into the woods
and know right away if if there's something there, and
I can go in the woods and say, you know
what this is. This area is dead, so to speak,
and there's nothing going on, and I just I just
learned to listen to my own to my own thoughts
on that.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
Yeah, yeah I could. I can see how that would work.
I mean I get the same feelings when I go somewhere,
uh for a paranormal investigation. You know, I'll know, yeah
this we're about to have a good night or not.

Speaker 3 (06:51):
You know. Yeah, I mean you just get a you
get a sense of it. I mean, we've went to
cemeteries and put up you know, lights, and we'll do
the same thing and say, okay, if there's someone present,
you know, go ahead and turn the light on. And
when the light comes on, you know, we're all screaming
because we're like, okay, we didn't expect that. Turn it off.

(07:11):
Turn it off. But yeah, you know, I mean when
you're especially when you're out there a lot, and and
I find peace in the woods. I really do. When
I you know, i'm having an upsetting time or anything,
if I can just go take a walk in the woods,
I just feel better, right right.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
So have you actually seen seen Bigfoot?

Speaker 3 (07:37):
I I've seen too. Both were nighttime sightings, but both
were full moon sightings, and it was really quite bright,
and I can't tell you I saw their face because
the moon was behind them. But both were about sixty
yards away. Once was in twenty sixteen in Kentucky and
the other was twenty eighteen in Virginia. I never saw

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one in Tennessee, but I've I've heard, I've heard a
lot of howls and you know, a lot of commotion
that I and I found footprints, but I haven't seen one.
Mm But you know, I've had a lot of things
happened that I believe are paranormal. And I don't believe

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they were Bigfoot related, but I believe they were paranormal
in nature.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
Okay, that's interesting because I know, you know, we talked
to a lot of people and and we do have
a lot of people who talk about the paranormal and
bigfoot at the same time.

Speaker 4 (08:44):
You know the orbs, Yes, lots of orbs, lots of orbs.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
I've been knocked down a dozen times by something that
I don't feel like was Bigfoot. I feel like it
was a paranormal entity or something that didn't want me there. Wow,
I've seen in Washington. I saw what I thought was

(09:13):
a giant orb and then it disappeared and then it
right above us. We heard what sounded like a rocket
ship going straight up, but there was nothing there.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
That was pretty cool. That freaked us out a little
bit because the orb lit up the entire camp area
and it was just bright blue and I'm looking at it,
going what is what is that? You know?

Speaker 2 (09:42):
That is wild?

Speaker 3 (09:43):
And that was That was three years ago.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
M And that was in where Washington and Washington and.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
I couldn't even tell you the name of the forest
we were in at the moment. We were just spoon
dock camping. We weren't in any kind of campground. There
was a creek in a meadow and just a clearing
on this old forest service road. It was crazy, but
probably one of the best memories I have of being
out camping with with friends, that's something that crazy can happen.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
Right.

Speaker 5 (10:17):
Oh, that's where David saw his bigfoot. Washington State.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
There was Washington State absolutely on I ninety.

Speaker 3 (10:25):
That's a great, great area.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
We were up close to the Idaho border, up near
oh my goodness lake. We were too far from Priest Lake. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
And I kind of know the area a little bit
because I've gone into Washington through Idaho before. My wife
and I used to be long haul truck drivers.

Speaker 4 (10:47):
Oh really, yeah, so it was up through there all
the time a lot.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
That's how I saw the Bigfoot was was right there.
He was on I ninety. Uh and and it was
late at night. The wife and I had just a
shift changed. She did daytime driving. I did nighttime driving,
and she had went to bed. It was about eleven
o'clock at night, and it was foggy that night, so

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you could see about four carlinks ahead of you. Then
it was kind of a fog bank, and you know,
if there was a car there, you wouldn't be able
to make out what it was, but you could see
its tail lights, you know. And I'm cruising along. I
think speed limits like sixty five down through there for
big trucks and I'm just cruising along. Then all of

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a sudden, from the median he comes up and he steps,
and he comes across the road and goes right back
up the other side before I could get to him.
He was that fast. And yeah, it was I don't know.
I think I drove for another fifteen to twenty minutes

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thinking about what just happened.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
Yeah, what could that possibly be?

Speaker 4 (12:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (12:02):
And the first thing I did is I text Matt
Seber and I was like, you would guess what I
just saw?

Speaker 3 (12:11):
When was this?

Speaker 2 (12:12):
What year was this was about four years ago? Five
years ago? Something like that? Yeah? Yeah, wow.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
Have you are you guys familiar with David Bakara with
the expedition Bigfoot Museum? Yes, okay, he got a report
one time of right here in Chattanooga going up toward
going out twenty four toward Nashville. I think it was
of a bigfoot running alongside a big truck and the

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guy looks in his mirror and he's like, what is that?
And it runs and it's running super fast along with
him and goes underneath his truck and goes across the road.
Who as he's driving, and he said that the said
that he thought, I don't know what I just saw,
but it can't have happened. And there was another truck

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behind him that came on on the radio and said,
did you just see what just happened? Did you just
see something? And the guy was like you saw that?
And he's like, yeah, I mean, so you had another
witness that had nothing to do with this person corroborating
the story.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
Yeah, that's that's amazing.

Speaker 3 (13:28):
That would freak me out a little bit, Like if
you could run that fast and run underneath the truck.
I'm sure they were going a little bit slower because
you know that goes up a mountain, but still you weren't.
Weren't going so slow that something should be able to
run underneath your truck? Right?

Speaker 2 (13:43):
Yeah? Crazy? I carry boats, So my truck's way too
low for anything to go under it. It's going underneath me.
It's going boom boom. Literally, those trailers were like four
inches off the ground, so oh wow, Yeah, a mouse
doesn't really fit underneath my trailers.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
What I thought was neat about it, though, was how
fast it was. That it took like three steps to
get across the two lane interstate before it was back
up the other side. But how massive it was. I mean,
I know I could have pulled over and had a
face to face if I rolled down my window, we
could have had a face to face conversation.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
You know. Well, you know, isn't it funny how people
talk about it. They talk about seeing the big Foot,
just like I did, and they're like, do you did
you get a picture? And it's like, you don't understand.
You're not incomprehending what you're looking at, but you're looking,
going what is that? Who is that? Oh my gosh,
And by that time it's gone, yeah, And then you're like,

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I know I was out here on this trail looking
for Bigfoot, but I just did not expect to see
that right in front of me. Right and the first
one I saw. We were walking on a trail and
we came to the part we just was three of us.
We just were being lazy and we're like, I don't
want to walk anymore. I'm done. We always carry these
little chairs and we pulled our chairs out. I said,

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why don't we just all sit where this trail makes
a you know, a big turn. I said, let's just
sit and we'll sip facing all different directions. So I
pulled my chair out and by the time I could
even turn around, I looked, and if anybody knows me,
I'm a control freak.

Speaker 4 (15:25):
You know.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
If I told y'all we're going to face all different
directions you're supposed to listen to because I want you
to do that. And I turned around and I thought,
which one of you went behind me? And I said,
who is that? What is that? Oh my god? And
about that time, it stopped and it turned on a
dime and ran down the ravine and all the little

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trees were shaken and acorns were falling, and then Cody
started going wild at the bottom of the ravine. And
the two guys that were with me, they looked at
me and they're like, what did you just see? And
I'm like, I, you know, I could tell you how
high it was, I could tell you what branch it
stopped at. I knew everything. And then, you know, the

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leader of that expedition, which was Charlie Raymond. It took
me twenty minutes to call him because I was just shocked.
You know, we're looking, we're looking for asking. Hey, we
should probably let Charlie know what just happened. And where
I saw that. In the last five six years, there
have been four other sightings within about sixty yards of

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that same spot, wow, by different people who did not
know of the previous sighting. So that tells me that
that's an area that they frequent in that ravine, they
have some type of home base there or whatever.

Speaker 5 (16:50):
Right, Yeah, I know, I was just gonna say out
and you can say the chat. But Steven had a question.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
I don't see a chap, Oh's see where did it go?
I think it's over on your on that thing. I
think it's over on the one of the side things
over there where you could click on.

Speaker 5 (17:20):
Is what's your opinion on what bigfoot could be?

Speaker 2 (17:31):
Bringing another question here?

Speaker 3 (17:33):
Next next question? I think that it has changed a
lot since I first started. Now, just because I have
a different belief than what maybe the BFRO believes. I
I just try to keep my mind open that it
could be. It could be alien in nature, or maybe

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we're looking at a couple of different things we're all
categorizing as bigfoot, but they're different creatures altogether, but maybe
they look very similar. So is it an at a
giant undiscovered ape? Maybe maybe there are those out there
but I also think there's something out there that maybe

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has a little bit different abilities than just a eight.
And then, you know, Matt Moneymaker probably wouldn't like hear
me say that, you know, but that's when you have
so many things happened to you, Yes, And I feel
like I am an excessive in things that have happened

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that you can't just close your mind to believing that
it could only be just one thing.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Right, all the stories that we've heard from multiple different
people and stuff, you know, Jason and I have kind
of over the years got to the point where we're
like that too. We're like, Okay, there's too many weird

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things that happened the WU, right, we call it the
wo wo. Too much wo that goes on for it
to be something that we would think would just be
regular flesh and blood.

Speaker 3 (19:24):
Right.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
You know, there's there's people who see portals open up
and these things come out of and and and different
things like that. So yeah, I think keeping your mind
open is probably the right thing to do.

Speaker 3 (19:39):
You know. I just don't think that we're the only
things in this world. You know, this world is way
too big. And there was a time when I didn't
believe in anything paranormal because it scared the crap out
of me, and I just didn't you know, if you
just say I don't believe it, it's.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
True, yeah, exists, don't exist.

Speaker 5 (20:02):
That was me too before I went to David's house
and we've done a little investigation in us. Said I'll
be back and never came back for two weeks.

Speaker 3 (20:12):
I have a good friend down in Florida who his
house is his house is haunted, and he'll say, yeah,
you know, he said, there's a mirror behind my TV.
He's I'll be watching. He said, I'll see a shadow
and things happen. And I'm like, why are you living there? Move?
You know, and he's like, well, they've never bothered me.
But you know, it's hard for people to believe anything

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other than the straightened era. And again, you know, being
in cemeteries or I've had mind speak, Well what does
mind speak? People can say, oh, I don't believe it.
I don't think that could happen. I know that it
happened because it happened to me. Whether whether one person

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believes me or not, it doesn't matter, right, I know
that I did not make this up in my head.
I know what I heard. I know what I felt.
It wasn't. I wasn't being paranoid. I knew what happened.
So then I had to open up my head to say, oh,
so there is such a thing as mind speak.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
Right, right, Well, I mean, you know, Matt Sieber had
it happened to him too, you know, and I trust,
I trust what he says, you know, So.

Speaker 5 (21:29):
I believe I believe it. Yeah, I believe that it
is flesh and blood. I do believe it is, but
I believe it it's other things too. I think it
could be both, and that's possible. Dimensional, interdimensional, Okay.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
Believe that. I think you're absolutely honest something that that.
I think it could be things that we just don't
understand or know, right, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (21:58):
Because David even knows. The Native Americans talked about it
walking in both worlds.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
Yes, so they says lived both in the spirit world
and and you know, in our our plane of our
plane of existence.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
So you know, that's just not what people want to believe.
That's not what what you want to believe. You want
to believe in the living and the dead, and that's it.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
That's it. It's everything's black and white. But they just
don't realize, you know, they're there's shades besides that, So.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
In general is in a whole big gray area.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
Yes, and unfortunately we lost a person that was, you know,
really big in the field that that brought a lot
of legitimacy to it this this week, and it.

Speaker 4 (22:41):
Was doctor mil That's just so sad, so very it's terrible.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
Uh, we we had a person in here. Roger Welch
says that he was driving from California, Colorado through that
corner of New Mexico headed into Texas and saw one
that was off the road about thirty yards. He said,
at first it was a horse.

Speaker 4 (23:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
I just don't believe that thousands and thousands and thousands
of reports are all lies or mass hysteria or made up.
I just don't believe that.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
I don't. Yeah, the anecdotal evidence is just too strong.
Too many people like you have seen them and you know,
witnessed it. And then you have the handprint, the footprint evidence,
and all the other evidence that's been given and the
DNA evidence that's been given.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
You. Yes, I mean, you know, you can sit here
all day long and say you're crazy and laugh get
laughed at. You just have to get to a point
in your life that you don't you don't let that
bother you. You know, when I found a footprint over
in East Tennessee and it's huge, and you know, it

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was actually another one, but it was had been rain
and it was muddy. There's no way that somebody's going
to tell me that that's human because he was in
the middle of nowhere. None of us were out there
with that without shoes on in March, you know, right,
And it wasn't there when we walked down the trail,
and then twenty minutes later it was there. Come on,

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you know.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
That was a fresh footprint. Yeah, that's that's amazing.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
From here, that's one of my favorite places to go.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
We have a guy that has contacted me. Did he
contact you today? Oh? Okay maybe? And he has some
a place around us here that is getting a lot
of activity and he sent me like five videos today

(25:03):
to watch and they were pretty interesting videos and he's
wanting us to go out to an investigation with him sometime.

Speaker 3 (25:11):
M So.

Speaker 4 (25:14):
Well, pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
Yeah, I mean, you know, you're you're always going to
get some of those calls that are I hate to
use the word crazy, but some of them that you
just know they're just because I mean, I had one
one time and they wanted me to come see these footprints.
And the first thing they asked me was is can
Bobo come. I'm like, you know, Bobo's not going to

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come from California over to Tennessee to see footprints that
are in your in your fire pit. That's not going
to happen. So you kind of knew right then that
those people just wanted to be on TV or to
meet Bobo or whatever. You knew that it wasn't accurate
because I kept trying to arrange to go see the prints,

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and funny how they would never call me back. Okay,
I'll give Bobo your number.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
So you take people call you when they have sightings.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
And sometimes they you know, most of the BFRO, they
go through the BFRO and I pick them up off
off our website. We have the investigators have a different place.
We can log in that when people call in, or
they'll leave a voicemail and maybe the BFRO Caroline and
the secretary will send me an email and say, hear,
here's a voicemail. Check this out. But I do have

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people contact me through email or you know, through Facebook,
and they'll say, hey, this happened, can you come? And
sometimes I'll do that, you know, outside of the BFRO,
and sometimes it's legit, and you you think, okay, you
may have something there. And then there's other times that
just seems so off kilter that you just you have

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to wonder. But you know, I always try to. I
try to take every report serious, and you write it down,
and you know, you may keep it in a file
somewhere and somewhere in the back of your head, because
what if in two years I hear another story that's
similar to that, and I'll think, oh, wait a minute,
maybe that maybe that really did happen, or maybe I

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didn't give that person enough credit, because here's a story
just like that. You can't dismiss it all. Yes, but
you have to be smart enough to know when people
are playing YouTube, right, Yeah, I mean, write it down.
You might find a pattern somehow somewhere.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (27:43):
There's this one guy we know and we've interviewed him.
He's been on the show a couple of times, and
he has a really crazy story. Uh, I know you're
talking about but I mean he is very adamant about
giving cards out and wanting people to come them and
see it. And I've heard a story similar to his

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that wasn't is quite outrageous. But I mean he's really
serious about what he believes.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
You know who he's talking about. He's been at the
at these all these festivals, in Bigfoot conferences. Stacey Haslett
h yeah, she's yea.

Speaker 5 (28:26):
We give everybody a chance to tell their stories, so.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
You know, right, I mean, you know, maybe they they
truly believe it. Yeah, maybe it truly happened. I don't know,
but you know it, sometimes I find that I'll say,
I'll use the word loaners, those loaners that really need
some type of attention or some kind of communication with people. Yes,

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and you have them at the festivals. They'll go to
every single booth telling your story, yep. And you just
you know, you have to wonder about those and be like, Okay,
they truly believe this story, but how much have they
said it that so much that this story it really
is true, or they've made their self believe it. Right,

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you can tell yourself a lie long enough.

Speaker 4 (29:25):
To not know that it's a lie anymore, right, right, yep?

Speaker 3 (29:30):
But I mean, you know, I think there's I think
there's thousands of stories out there that people don't believe.
And it doesn't matter if somebody believes you. You know,
only you really know what happens to you or what
kind of experiences you've had, right, or you know, or
somebody that you know, you know that they wouldn't lie
to you, you know, right, And.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
I think that's how you know, here in the South,
a lot of people usually will tell their stories is
to people that they trust and that they believe. Isn't
gonna believe, you know, think that they're sitting there telling
them a lie.

Speaker 3 (30:06):
Right, We're in the Bible Belt.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
Yes, you know.

Speaker 3 (30:09):
These people don't want to be made fun of. And
the very first Bigfoot I saw, I called my husband
at two o'clock in the morning. Now, let me tell you,
my husband is not a Bigfoot believer. He thinks this
is stupid. But I called him at two o'clock in
the morning saying, I just I just saw Bigfoot. This happened.

(30:32):
And he said, really, Laurie, And I'm like yes, and
I'm so excited. He said, I'll talk to you tomorrow,
and I'm like, god, you know. So I talked to
him in the morning and he's like, I cannot believe
you called to wake me up to tell me you
saw a bear or a deer. And I'm like, I
did see a bear or deer. I saw a bigfoot.
He's like, you did not because they don't exist. And

(30:55):
I'm like, you weren't even in the same state as me.
How can you tell me what? I say? All? And
and it's a joke because he's like, I think you
think you saw a bigfoot, but since they don't.

Speaker 4 (31:07):
Exist, whatever, that's funny.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
I mean, I was all excited. He shouldn't have been
mad that I woke him up at two in the morning.
But you know, this is a y'all know this is
it's becoming a little bit more female oriented, but this
is a this is a man's world. And sometimes he'll say,
who lets their wife go across the country camping with

(31:39):
five guys? And I'm like, you do, honey, you do?
Because there my brothers not even men, they're just they're
just people. You funny, it's the truth.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
Roger says, he'll have to move to another room. We
got Greg Gogel's on here from Relic Films. Have you
got to meet him?

Speaker 3 (32:11):
Did you get I believe I have.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
Yeah. He he's uh got some pretty interesting findings himself
on some of his movies.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
Mm hmm. I think two of my friends have just
been working with him recently.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (32:30):
The last film he had, The Land between the Lakes,
is really good. Yeah, it's just amazing.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
Something really close, one of them really close growling at him. Yeah,
and he even watch it.

Speaker 3 (32:45):
That's exciting. I'm one of those people that watch every
big foot thing there is, even those that are on
I don't know, some crazy station. And at the end
of his oh that was like a one. But I'll
watch it, Yeah, every minute of it.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
David Michelle said it was a really great movie. Here,
it was a good movie. We we bought his last
movie before it came out, didn't we. All right, that
was right when it came out and we got it
in and pop the I don't even have a DVD player.
I had to take my my laptop upstairs and plug
it into the TV. Uh huh, I don't have a
DVD player anymore, you know. Uh, sat there and watched it.

(33:23):
It was it was really good though. It was fantastic.

Speaker 3 (33:26):
You know, what's really fun is going on an expedition
and having these people all out in the woods and saying, okay,
you know, before we go out, we're gonna have a
movie night, and showing them some Bigfoot movie in some
of them were like, I'm not going, and I'm like, oh,
come on, it's just come on mood. It's mood movies.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
This is going to set the mood for the right.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
I had a lady one time. I kid you not.
We're on an expedition and we start walking on the
trails and I'm really transparent. Nothing may happen. We may
not even hear a cody. You just never know. You
can go to great spots and on Monday it may
be great, and on Tuesday you'd think there's no life
there whatsoever. But you know, we start walking down the

(34:11):
trail and she says, so which way do I need
to look to see the bigfoots? And I'm like what?
And she said, are they going to be over here
on the right, And I'm like, this is not an
Audubon zoo, you know, like, I don't know what we're
gonna see. But she was deace here. She thought she
was going to go on this expedition and she was

(34:32):
just gonna walk down the trail and see bigfoots in
the wild. I guess like Jurassic Park or something, I
don't know. It was like, it doesn't work that way.
I said. You can go out a hundred times and
never see anything, and then you could go out one
day and be like I wouldn't even look in and
what was that I.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
Just saw right?

Speaker 4 (34:51):
Or what was that I just heard?

Speaker 3 (34:53):
You know, without recordings of things that you you go
they're not a cody?

Speaker 4 (34:59):
Yeah, right, do you know it's not another human and.

Speaker 3 (35:02):
You're thinking, okay, that was totally unexpected.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
And that's what we get in the paranormal field too.
You know, you may go out to a place and nothing, nothing, nothing,
and then you go out another day, then all of
a sudden, there's so much activity that you can't even
believe what was going on.

Speaker 3 (35:19):
You know.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
But I think that TV kind of sets these expectations
for people that, oh, every time you go out, something happens.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
And when we go and we do our talks, Jason
and I to people about the paranormal, you know, that's
one of the things we tell them was like, look,
this ain't the way that it works in real life.
You know, this is something that's getting into You could
go to the same location ten times and one out
of those ten you might get something right.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
Or like people who will watch those TV shows and
they're like, oh, well, I got mad because they didn't
even chase it in the woods, And I'm like, do
you ever realize how many cutting edits there are? And
that's TV for innerertainment. Yes, they may be really looking
for bigfoot, but that's entertainment. It's television. Yeah, you know,
you know, if you want, if you want real life experience,

(36:11):
there's gonna have to be boots on the ground and
not give up. I mean, and there's times that I
went time and time again and I'll just say, please God,
just let me hear a barn owl anything, because it's
just been so quiet. And then it's like, Okay, there
is life. I heard of barnow. This is great, just

(36:33):
just because that's the way it is, you know, and
different things affect that, you know. It could be anything
from somebody logging in the area, or maybe bigfoots do
have a pattern or a track that they use at
certain times of the year. Maybe they know when it's
hunting season and they know when to really hunker down

(36:56):
and not be anywhere that people can find them, right, Yeah, you.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
Know what was it that Stephen asked? Oh, Steven's asking
what is the most interesting encounter that you've had while
out researching?

Speaker 3 (37:17):
That would probably be in North Tennessee. I got knocked
down and we actually had some crazy stuff going on.
There were five of us and we were on an
old forest service road. I didn't know the one guy
beside me. I think he was from New Jersey, so
he had no reason to lie for me or anything.

(37:39):
But we're on this forest service road. We're hearing all
sorts of whoops and things, and one of the guys
housed out his therm and he's like, I think I
see something and we're just having a lot of activity.
And about two miles down the road, I'm on the
radio with another group and they're like, we're having so
much activity in and we're like, this is crazy. This
road has been dead for the last three days. I

(38:02):
want to say this was around Christmas that year or
the year the time in between Christmas and New Year's
So I said, you know what, I said, I'm just
gonna walk down ahead of y'all. You know you got
me in your therm. We don't like to separate us.
I'm just gonna walk down ahead of y'all. And I
walked probably fifty sixty yards and I walked into what

(38:23):
looked what seemed like a wall. I mean, I kind
of bounced off of it. I'm walking and it's like
I do this, And as a matter of fact, the
one guy started laughing and said, Bory, what are you
doing dancing. I'm like, no, I just hit a wall.
I mean I literally felt like I hit a wall.
It was like, I don't know what's going on here.

(38:46):
And you know, they came down there, and you know,
we're feeling like there's nothing here. You are you sure?
And I'm like, y'all, you saw me in the thumb.
I hit a wall. So we're standing there for a
few minutes and then this one guy kind of looked
the road kind of went up on a hill and
you could see the moonlight, and we thought we saw
something cross and we're like, that could have been a bear,

(39:09):
that could have been a deer, you know, just too
far away, we couldn't see. Well, We're just staring at
that spot, and all of a sudden, some force came
and hit me in the head. Knocked my hat off
my head, lamp, threw my phone, flew out of my hand,
and picked me up and slammed me on the ground.

(39:31):
I mean, I was off my feet and they were
like the guys were like, oh my god, what's happened.
She's had a stroke or something. And the guy from
New Jersey, who does not know me, he said, just
got clotheslined. He said she was standing still. He said,
I saw her feet come up in the air, like
something picked her up and slammed her down. And of

(39:51):
course they're trying to get me back and we're like,
let's get back to camp, and I'm like, no, We're
gonna sit here until we figure out what just happened.
So while it was scary, that was probably the most
intense thing that has ever happened because I don't know
what that was.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
What did it feel like? Did it feel like something
grabbed you or no.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
It was like a force like like like a force of.

Speaker 4 (40:17):
Just pressure.

Speaker 3 (40:19):
Just something hit me. But when it hit my head first,
I mean I still can't explain to this day what
that was. You know, people say, oh, you got zapped,
it felt like something different. I didn't feel like zappel
felt something different. Now. You know, I've been out in

(40:40):
the woods and went down on my knees before and
been like, whoa, you know what just happened? But that
one was that one was different. I mean we got
back to the camp and you know, at one in
the morning, I might let's go back to that road,
and they're like, you're not going anywhere, and I might
know I need to go see what's going on. I
have this need to know what happened. And similar things

(41:00):
have happened to me like that, and I've had witnesses
every time. I mean, one time I came back and
I'm like, I'm gonna go get checked out. Is my
blood pressure bad? Do I have something wrong with me
that is causing me to pass out? But I was,
you know, other than being mental, everything else physicals. Try

(41:23):
telling your regular doctor that big foot zappsu or something.
See what happens.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
Itself for a day or two, They're like, we have another.

Speaker 3 (41:34):
Doctor we want you to see. No, that would definitely
be the most intense interesting.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
Thing right now, that that would be amazing.

Speaker 3 (41:50):
Yeah, I mean, you know the whole thing with the
UFO thing in Washington, that was pretty amazing. Yeah, Like
I said, I've been not down numerous, numerous times, almost
to the point to where we had something happened in
East Tennessee and two of us got hit by something.
And then when we played the thurn back, you could

(42:12):
clearly see a head of something behind the bushes, and
it was a big head. And then there was another
guy with us that he said, y'all, I know you're
not gonna believe this. You're gonna just think I made
this up because of what happened to y'all. But he said,
I saw one spider crawling and he said it was
over here to the left, and that we had a

(42:36):
lot of things happened to that point. We had a
police officer. He pulled a gun and pointed at the
woods and said, leave her alone, leave her alone, and
then he got hit with something. Oh, and I'm like,
i'might put your gun up. Put your gun up, you know.
He put his gun up, and the next day he
had a bruise. He had a bruise on his ribs.

(43:00):
Was that was pretty scary.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
That's that's intense.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
Yeah, you know, you know it's a joke now. But
amongst my normal guys that I go with are like
don't you go over to the edge of those woods
by yourself? You wait, you wait on this, because they
don't want me to go into the woods by myself.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
Right. What do you think about these things? Spider crawling?
That's that's We'll have.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
Heard probably eight or nine cases of people saying that,
So I do believe that it's possible for them to
do that.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
Greg has caught it on camera.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
Gregg, I would love to see that. Yeah, I would
love to see that because the guy that told me
what he saw, I trust him with my life. He
wouldn't have He didn't make that up. He didn't imagine it.
He was freaked out, and he's a religious guy, and
he's like, what I just saw did not look right.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
Yeah, I mean to me, it's creepy. And I'm wondering
if it's if it's something that they do to try
to I guess stay out of sight or something.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
You know, it's I mean, yeah, you know, kind of
like a military crawl, army.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
Crawl or something. Yeah, I see Greg gogeles and Chat says,
sure did. And if I'm taking on the video, you
could see this orbits sitting there just kind of doing this.
But underneath you see this this thing's crawling towards them,
and it's like the orb is trying to catch her attention,
so then you don't see him.

Speaker 3 (44:36):
It's very possible. Yeah, it gets me, makes me want
to go out in the woods. You know. I think
portion a minute and called the alson or something.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
Our thermals are charged and uh, the night vision is
charged up too, you know. So we've never done an
an investigation for big Foot.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
We've never been Oh you got you got to come
with me sometimes. Yeah, you know, I tell people do
you like camping? And you're like yeah, I'm like, do
you like hiking? They're like, oh yeah, and I'm like,
through night hiking and looking for big for the in
it's awesome. Yeah, it's awesome. It's so much fun, whether

(45:21):
you see anything or not, it's so much fun.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
Steven Watson, did you hear about that footprint that Harley
got just before the Bigfoot conference?

Speaker 3 (45:33):
I did hear about it, but I have not went
into depth in details with him about it.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
Thirty thirty inches, I can't think that's what he.

Speaker 3 (45:42):
Said was that's huge. Yeah, that's really really huge mass
and it was only it was one.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
Right, Yeah, yeah, and I guess they saw it the
night before the conference and I'm.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
Just like, man, yeah, I don't know Harleywell, I've met
him and I should know him better. But you know,
like I said, life gets in the way sometimes and
you don't get to talk to as many people as
that you'd like to.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
Right.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
Roger Welch ask if you investigate and you take people.
She does investigate, and I do investigate.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
I take people mostly through the BFRO when they sign
up through that. You So, what people don't understand is
if you pay somebody to take you, the National Forest
require you to get a permit.

Speaker 4 (46:39):
Now a lot of.

Speaker 3 (46:40):
People don't do that, but if you ever get caught
taking money taking people out, and you get caught not
paying for a permit and the insurance that the National
Forest requires, it's a huge, huge fund. So you know,
if I do it privately, not exchanging money, because the insurance,

(47:03):
the insurance and the permit alone is enough to you
make you have to dig really deep in your pockets. Wow.
And I always do it by the book. I do not.
I've had We've had rangers come up, come down a trail,
a mile down the trail and come up and say
we are y'all doing? And I've been like, okay, we
have a permit and you're like, where's your permit? I

(47:25):
have to pull up my permit and they look at
it to make sure that everything I'm doing, I mean,
I have to live. Give them a list of trails
and roads that we're going to be every one of
them has to be approved if I if I go
through the BFRO or go through a paid expedition. Man,
people don't realize that, but it is the truth. You know.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
That's interesting.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
You know they want to know what. They want to
know where you're at and what you're doing, which you
know most of them aren't going to tell you anything.
But everyone in a while you'll get to talk into
one and you get a rapport with them and you'll say,
you know, if you get any reports or you get
in there, say no, But you know, road J over

(48:10):
there is pretty interesting, and I'm like, oh, okay, thank you.
You know how they can't really tell me anything, but
but if they'll they tell you something just enough to
keep you to keep you going to an area.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
Okay, we we had some inside. I had a brother
in law that was worked for the Forest Service, over
here in the national forest.

Speaker 4 (48:36):
And which national forest right here in.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
East Tennessee, you know the Mountain and Cherokee National.

Speaker 3 (48:44):
Well, Cherokey is the biggest.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
So yeah, and uh, he got information from his bosses
on places for us to go and put it on
maps for us for or feral people.

Speaker 3 (49:03):
For feral people. All right, So have you ever heard
about the little people? Yes, nobody ever told you about
the little people? Now that's really big in Tennessee. People
start talking about the little people and I'm thinking, Okay,
I can only handle one innity at a time. But
you got really big ones or really little ones.

Speaker 5 (49:27):
Yeah, that's funny. Look the Cherokee talked about the little
people too.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
Yes, they do talk about the little people. There's all
kinds of or about the little people.

Speaker 3 (49:41):
So you know that can't just all be folklore. No,
there's gotta be even if somebody made it up to
begin with as a children's story or whatever.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
Yeah, you can't.

Speaker 3 (49:57):
You can't have all of these people just coming with stories.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
I don't know. I just don't believe that. I believe that.
You know, for every one fake story, there's ten real stories.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
Well, the the Cherokee said that the little people at
one point actually helped them win a battle. Really yep,
that they actually helped intervene and actually helped them win
a battle. So yep. So they believed that they were real.

Speaker 3 (50:33):
They probably are. I would think we're again, it's a
big old world to think they're the only ones here.

Speaker 5 (50:41):
Well, yeah, you know I've seen the recent UAP hearing
in the video. Yeah, yeah, that wild.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
I mean, look, you know, it's not been that many
years ago that the government had to come out and say, okay,
up's UFOs are real. Yeah, one day they're going to
come out and say, okay.

Speaker 4 (51:06):
Here's what we know about Bigfoot.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
Yeah, I truely believe that they're going to come out
and say it. And it may be stuff that we
don't want to know or we don't want to believe,
but I think they have a lot more information on
it than we think they do.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
Yeah. Yeah, I believe that too, because you know, when
Mount Saint Helens erupted, there was stories after stories after
stories on Mount Saint Helens and and the rescue efforts
that went on to help a bigfoot up there with
the military and people.

Speaker 3 (51:42):
Why would people have even made that up? Would you know,
that would have been a crazy thing to make up.

Speaker 5 (51:48):
Yes, especially if you're in a military and was there,
Why would you make that up?

Speaker 2 (51:52):
Yeah, that's crazy. It isn't And and from multiple people
you know, have free laid from their points of view
as things were going on, you know, about these rescue
efforts and stuff. So, I mean, I I do believe
that the government does know more than what they're saying.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
Yeah. Agree.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
What do you think is the most active areas? Do
you think that it is the Pacific Northwest or do
you think that that we have just as much activity
down this way.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
I think we have just as much activity per capita
in the Appalachian Mountains as the Pacific Northwest. Does I really,
I truly truly do. And I think Missouri is kind
of a hot spot too. For some reason, I don't
know a whole lot about the Pacific north I don't
know much about the Northeast as far. I haven't done

(52:51):
a lot of squashing there. I've done a lot of
squashing and a lot of Southern states. I've been to
British Columbia. I've been to Vancouver. I've been to Vancouver Island.
I've done I've been so fortunate to get to go
to these places. But I hear as many reports here
as I do in those places.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
What do you What do you think about Vancouver Island,
because I've heard a lot of people say that that
place is there has a lot of activity.

Speaker 3 (53:19):
That place I had a lot of bears and a
lot of Cougar's mountain lions. Yeah, you know, we would.
We were in the middle of nowhere. Literally we chopped
down bushes in order to put your tent, and every
day you'd wake up and there's bear poop right outside

(53:39):
your tip and you'd think I didn't even hear it. Yeah,
I didn't hear anything grisly, but that was a fun
place to go to.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
Well, Uh, the wife and I have been. I think
it's like three times to Vancouver Island.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
Where'd you where'd you go apart.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
In the big truck? Oh lord, my wife maybe she'll
she'll chime in here, but I don't remember. We're dropping
off boats because that's what we on the big truck.
We'd come in you deliver like Mastercraft Malibu Scars choice,
so those ski boats so make board boats usually, but uh,

(54:25):
we would get go in through BC and then catch
the ferry from bc UH into Vancouver Island. And and
I'll tell you that's crazy. It being a city and
you drive in and you board onto this, onto this thing,
and then you have to go upstairs. Now, I will
say though, that the food on those things are not bad.
And it's like a little over to our our trip

(54:47):
over there.

Speaker 3 (54:48):
So yeah, So the first time I did that, we
took the ferry and we came in through the north
part of Vancouver Island and drove down, so we got
to see a lot of it. The next time went
I came into Victoria, Okay, and and just came in
through that place and went up the I guess the
west coast of it, No, the east coast of it.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
I think the only time we went in through Victoria
was because we missed the last one that was going
to the other place and so or something like that,
something like that. Yeah, and so we went to Victoria,
but it wasn't much difference in time, I guess going

(55:30):
to the where we was going to the boat dealership there.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
But yeah, Well, the interior of Vancouver Island, and of
course outside of just the little towns, it is pretty
wild wild. I mean, if you've ever watched alone. They
had several seasons there and there were people that had
get in there that first ding and say can't do this,

(55:54):
I quit. This is too dangerous.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
Yeah, it's pretty I loved it.

Speaker 3 (56:01):
We Chehala's Lake up above Vancouver, Canada. We went there
and I want to say the name of the road
was Mystery for a Service Road Number four is what
I feel like the name was. And it's like, this
is crazy, this is crazy. But we were two hours
from anything that was. That was a wild, wild place.

(56:25):
You had these tree stops or these trees that had
fallen over that were taller than your tent. You know,
you couldn't even see over. You just backed your tin
up to this tree.

Speaker 4 (56:38):
That was.

Speaker 3 (56:39):
That was a cool place. We heard a ground there
one night that we could not explain, and it was
on the other side of these fallen logs, and we
were all scared, you know, we were just like, I
don't want to go around those trees, you know, I
don't want to do it. I don't want to do it.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
I know that the First Nations people there talk a
lot about the Bigfoot activity all up and through there.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
Oh, I truly truly believe they're in that area.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
Without a Yeah, what do you think about Todd standing
is evidence?

Speaker 3 (57:16):
I think Todd had some really good evidence, And I
think Todd made the mistake of needing the attention and
doing the things he had to do to get the attention.
So therefore it made him non believable in the bigfoot world.

(57:38):
You know, liar pants on fire. You know, you're not
going to be You're not going to be believed anymore.
But I do believe he had a great area. I
think he's still got a great area, and I think
he probably had some real evidence. I happen to know
two people that have went on it with him, his
little expeditions, and they're like, we don't want to tell

(57:59):
you that we went. And I'm like why, I think
it's great. Have an open mind, go with him. That
doesn't that doesn't make you a bad person. Go and
see what he has to offer.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
I know he's taken quite a few people on those expeditions.

Speaker 3 (58:16):
Yeah, I mean, like I said, I know, I know
two different people that went and and one person said
it wasn't what I thought it was going to be.
We didn't go far enough in and the other person
was like, man, it was great. We walked six miles
one day, and we walked six more miles the next day,
and we camped, and you know, you had the bare minimums.
And it's kind of funny you go on the bf

(58:36):
r O expeditions or any expeditions and people aren't really
willing to be remote or be without amenities. You know,
they're like, do we have power? Do we have showers
and bathrooms? And I'm like, it's like, I know, we

(58:57):
don't have sales service.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
Got the moon and the creek, that's right, It's.

Speaker 3 (59:03):
Like there's a bathroom. Look how many of them we have?

Speaker 5 (59:08):
I asked that question because I've been watching some of
this stuff recently and some of it looks really good
to me.

Speaker 4 (59:16):
I mean, you know, I agree.

Speaker 3 (59:20):
I agree that it'll take a lot for him to
get respect in the big Foot world.

Speaker 5 (59:25):
Now, yeah, it just will.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
Yeah, you know, Roger Will says the potty tree.

Speaker 5 (59:35):
It is the truth, a tree on the right, Old
Lord Jason that the question is going to open up
a big old can of worms.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
That's a good, good question. You know. The wife and
I've driven all the way to Alaska, and what do
you think about like port Lock and the stories of
of of up and through there, and of how bigfoots.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
You know this.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
Do you think the further north west that you get
like that, that these things get meaner?

Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
Because I believe that, like just like people, I do
believe you have maybe a different temperament and and maybe
even different sizes, because think about it, if they're in
they're in a whole different world up there. Down here
you have more people, They have a lot more space

(01:00:31):
up there, and they don't want anybody encroaching on their area. Right,
So yeah, I do think that they're probably meaner. They
say in the North that they're bigger for some reason
I don't I don't know, but typically the ones in
the South aren't quite as big as those in the
north or the Pacific Northwest are told to be.

Speaker 5 (01:00:53):
Wow, you got them stories from Port Locke where where
they abandon the the whole town people were getting ripped
apart by something, by.

Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
Something, right right. I know another guy who is from Alaska,
and he he is brought to tears every time he
tells you about his encounter. For the life of me,
I can't holp you all old. I can't think of
what he called it. And they he didn't call it Bigfoot,

(01:01:34):
you know, whatever, whatever the lore the name was, but
I mean it brings him every he can't even look
at you. He has to write it down and read
it because he can't look at you and tell you
the story. And he every time I've seen him do it,
he's in tears.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
That so I know that whatever happened, that really happened
to him, because there's no way that you would have
that kind of reaction, No way.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
Yeah, I mean you couldn't fake that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
No, you can't. You can't fake that kind of emotion terror,
almost terror. And you know, look back how many reports
you hear of Bigfoot or even paranormal where some people
are like, well, I wasn't scared at all. Neither time
that I saw Bigfoot was I scared. I never had
fear that that wasn't what it was. But then you

(01:02:28):
hear other people that says I was scared to death
and I can't live with this because I'm so I'm
so scared all the time. Well I didn't. I didn't
have that. And when I when I had the mind speak,
that was actually after three of us saw the Bigfoot.
There were five of us on the trail, three of

(01:02:49):
us saw it from different vantage points. We were all
spread out, maybe seventy five yards or whatever, so three
different people saw it. We're all excited. We're trying to
get measurements. We're trying to see how far was it,
how big do you think it was? What did you see?
You know, you know you could see the hair hanging

(01:03:10):
off the arm. But we decided we were going to
continue walking. We walked a little further, and we got
right to this point where the trail was going to turn,
and all I could hear in my head was please stop,
please go away. And I'm like, I'm like what And

(01:03:30):
I heard this And one of the guys said what's wrong?
And I said, I'm not going any further. And they're like,
you don't appear scared us And I'm not scared, but
my sense is that they're saying, this is our home.
You've already seen us, Please go away. That's how I felt.

(01:03:52):
And you know, they looked at me and they're like, lord,
you know, you never told us a story before, You've
never acted like this. And if you're telling us we
should go any further, we'll turn around and go go back.
And you know, once you see one. You want to
keep investigating, you want to get more more evidence. But
I told him, I said, y'all can go. I'll sit

(01:04:12):
right here and wait on you. And they're like, no,
if you're telling us not to go, we're not going.
And we turned and left.

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:04:22):
You know, I did not imagine it because I wasn't scared.
I wasn't I wasn't walking thinking, oh my gosh, I
don't want to go any further. No, we were just
walking go like, oh man, this is great, this is great.
And I just kept hearing please stop, please go away.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
Mm.

Speaker 4 (01:04:41):
Wow, no, no, and I did.

Speaker 3 (01:04:45):
I said, y'all can have it. I'll go back to
my car.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
We had a guy we was set up here at
an event here in Louden and had a guy come
up to us and talk to us about something that
happened to him in cityco. He was hunting. He used
to hunt there all the time. That place is crazy, yes,
And he said that when night he was surrounded. He
was in his tent and he said he was surrounded

(01:05:12):
by these things all night long. And he said when
it got daybreak, he broke his tent down, and he
said he'd never been in the woods a day after that,
he said he hasn't gone hunted hunting again, scared.

Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
You know. In Sitaco. The one thing that I remember,
and I want to say this is up near double Camp.
I can't. I can't exactly remember. I might know it
if I saw it, but I'm camping there and there's
another guy just across the clearing from me. He's snoring loud.

(01:05:47):
Something woke me up. It's like three in the morning,
and I just kind of set up and I'm like,
and at that time I was sleeping, just in a
sleeping bag, but something woke me up, and I woke up.
And you sit there for a minute and you're listening
trying to see if you hear something. And I didn't
hear anything, but I thought, well, I'm just gonna look out.

(01:06:07):
So I leaned up and I unzipped my tent and something,
you know, at the time, I thought it was a bear. Afterwards,
I don't know. Something was sitting outside my tent, a
dark shape sitting and I was like, oh my god,
it's bear. And I just zipped it and there are
bears there, you know, And I just zipped it and

(01:06:29):
I got back over it, and I'm just like, my god,
you know, my god, I'm scared. I'm scared, yo. And
I went back to sleep, you know, And it never
occurred to me that it might not have been a bear.
I don't know, I don't know what it was, but
there was something and what wooked me up?

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:06:44):
Why did it wake me up?

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
Wake up?

Speaker 6 (01:06:47):
Why did I just.

Speaker 3 (01:06:47):
Wake up randomly? Another time, this was gosh. This was
probably back in twenty eighteen or so. I was going
to have an expedition and I got there early and
we were in a campground. This was going to be
an improved campground, a nice campground. And I got there

(01:07:09):
and I set up and I got off there two
days early. And this was in like maybe January. There
was nobody camping. Well well, and behold this old couple
came up in this you know, four hundred thousand dollars RV.
They're really really nice and I'm thinking I'm cold in
my tent. I've got this nice arvy. But anyway, they

(01:07:31):
decided to come make friends with me. So, you know,
they're like, oh, Laurie, you know, you can come eat
with us, you can do ever or whatever, you know,
And I told them, they said, what are you doing
here by yourself? And I just told them, and they're like, oh,
my goodness, you know, and you can't buy yourself And
I said yeah, I said, you know, I've got people
coming in a couple of days. So that night I

(01:07:55):
like to leave. If I'm by myself, I like to
leave a fire going when I go to bed, so
I can just see it flickering. So I left my
fire going. And again three or four o'clock in the morning,
I wake up and I'm like, what's going on? Why
am I awake? I unzipped my tent and on the
other side of my fire or like six codies looking

(01:08:19):
toward my tent, and I'm like, holy crap. And I
reached for you know, at that time, I carried a gun,
and I reached for my gun. I'm like, this is crazy.
Well they went on, I guess they went on. And
then I heard them howling, you know, down toward those
people's camper. Went to sleep. The next morning, I get

(01:08:43):
up and I'm out at my car, and the little
old lady runs over there and going, la, Laurie, are
you okay? I'm like, yes, you know, why wouldn't that
be what's going on? And she said, well, when those
codies started yelling, you know, early this morning, we heard
those three loud pops right behind our camper, we thought

(01:09:06):
you shot at him. I'm like what, She's like, yeah,
we heard these pops. It was like no, no, she goes,
did you shoot him? I'm like, I did not shoot
at him. And you might have heard a bigfoot, you
might have heard tree knucks because I said I wouldn't
have shot at him. And an improved campground, right, But

(01:09:28):
I mean, I thought that was crazy because I've never
I've also never seen codies come up to a campfire,
and that was that was that was scary to me.

Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
You know, that's insane. I've camped there or I can't
tell you how many times. I can't tell you how
many times, being young and dumb, that I passed out
in the lawn chair by the fire drunk sometime that
morning getting rained one Money Brown and Chris Russell.

Speaker 3 (01:09:58):
Yep, I'm gonna say no comment to that. Okay. That's
one thing I'm adamant about, is like, you cannot drink
at all. If you want to come have a beer
after we're back in at two or three in the morning,
you want to have a beer by the campfire, fine,
but you will not have any alcohol prior to this

(01:10:20):
going out, not going to have it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
Yeah, you don't want to get no.

Speaker 3 (01:10:26):
No, or even with guns, I'm like, you're not allowed
to have guns, They'll say, oh, yeah, we don't. And
I'm like, I know you've got one on your leg
how you know. I'm like, I see it in your boot.
So I need to know if you have a gun,
because you're not. You know, I don't want anybody out
there with a gun and panic. You know, I want
to know what. I want to know exactly who's got

(01:10:47):
a gun and where it's at.

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
And you know, Steven says that that double camp is
uh it's closed now, Oh is it blocking it? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:10:59):
Yeah, I have been in a long time. But that
was that was one weird, weird time.

Speaker 2 (01:11:07):
You said that Matt Seebers looked into a nest that
was there, and that's right below where Jeffreys hell is
and the Witch's Cap. And Stephen said that they've seen
a big foot up there just a month ago.

Speaker 3 (01:11:22):
Oh wow, it makes me want to go now. Yep,
I'm all in the Teleco Planes area. I love that
whole area up there.

Speaker 2 (01:11:33):
We lived just in loud and so we're not too
far away.

Speaker 3 (01:11:36):
Well you're you're just in Bigfoot Heaven over there, Yes,
you are. There's there's just so many, so many places there.

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
Now we've got that Cougie Booger just what ten to
fifteen minutes away from here. Yeah, I live right across
the field from it. Yep.

Speaker 5 (01:11:53):
Really yeah, it's it's a place where when we were
in high school, it was like a an old creepy
road that you took your friends out and.

Speaker 3 (01:12:06):
On the slight hunt.

Speaker 5 (01:12:07):
Yes, with the boy scouts, but uh, go ahead tell them.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
I was just saying that they've got a well there
and supposedly there was a girl that drowned their little girl,
so people see her spirit there and a lot of
people have seen what they call the coogie Booger, But
it's it's a Bigfoot there. We know one person that
we went to high school with that actually has a

(01:12:36):
pretty good story on his Facebook pages and it's on
his YouTube YouTube channel that that he tells the story.

Speaker 3 (01:12:43):
Yeah, I'd love to hear that sometime. You know. I
also believe that Kate's Cove has big fit in it.
I really do believe that.

Speaker 5 (01:12:54):
Yeah, Yeah, Steven. He's with Arcane Discoveries, and uh, he's
seen a lot of stuff. I mean, he could show
you places. He's got a lot of stories.

Speaker 3 (01:13:06):
I'd love to go, and I'd love to hear them all.

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
He says, I could be your guide.

Speaker 3 (01:13:13):
I'm always I'm always willing to go. I'll just bring
my grandchildren along with me and say, okay, Nana. When
when my oldest grandson was four, we were just taking
a I live over here, Ina, I live actually on
the lake over here at the Chickamauga, and we were

(01:13:37):
taking a walk at Harrison Bay State Park. You know,
they got some great trails, and my little grandson's walking
with me, and he knew Nana looked for bigfoot, and
you know, I sew all these big foots and stuff.
And so we're walking and it's just me and my
husband and my grandson and we're walking and there's these
two older folks coming down the trail and Mason up

(01:14:00):
to him and what are you doing. He ran up
to him and he said, hey, guys, see me any
big foot. And this older couple starts laughing and they're like, well, no,
should we should we be looking for bigfoot? And he said, yeah.
My Nanna says, they're here and they like to hide
behind trees. I mean it was hilarious. Of course, my husband,

(01:14:20):
being a non believer, he's like, oh my god, you've
got our grandchawd telling me, because.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
Yea, my oldest granddaughter is that way. So she loves Bigfoot.

Speaker 3 (01:14:36):
What's not to love?

Speaker 4 (01:14:38):
Yes, what's not to love?

Speaker 5 (01:14:41):
I could see your husband now just bound his hand.

Speaker 3 (01:14:47):
Let me tell you another little thing he does. So
he works in corporate America and we have to go
to these big things sometimes and he gets bad. He says, Laurie,
you know, we're all dressed up, and he's like, Laurie,
do not, please, do not talk about And I'm like,
I'm not going to I'm not I'm not gonna talk

(01:15:09):
about Bigfitt. And he's like, please, please, don't talk about bigfit.
So he goes to the bar, he gets us a drink.
He comes back and there's all these people around me
and we're talking about Bigfoot. He's like, you, I said,
I didn't do it. They asked me, They asked me.
He's just rolling his eyes and stop asking her these questions.

(01:15:32):
I'm sick of hearing it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
So you're gonna have to take him with you one time.

Speaker 3 (01:15:40):
Make him he's never been he's never been with me.
He's just like, I'll go hiking with you, but the
first mention of bigfoot, I'll leave that. I'm not doing that.
Each is on. He likes to fish and I like
to hunt big seed.

Speaker 2 (01:15:57):
Okay, maybe one of these days will be out fishing
and the big Foot will get hungry for a fish too,
and he'll he'll see what.

Speaker 5 (01:16:04):
You know, he might be the one that attracts the bigfoot,
because I believe, I believe they do choose who sees
them and who don't.

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
He might be that one. I'd take him.

Speaker 3 (01:16:19):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:16:21):
I think she throws up.

Speaker 3 (01:16:26):
It was like it froze up for a minute.

Speaker 2 (01:16:29):
Mh. So have you got any more stories or more
good stories? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:16:39):
So I was in uh Wisconsin. This was way back
in the beginning, and I we had some people had
came up to our camp site and said, hey, are
y'all big foot hunters? And you know, we're not trying
to play coy going no, And they're like, you've all
got big foot stickers on your vehicles, and so they're

(01:17:02):
telling us about there's this lake there's a lot of
lakes up there, but there's this lake and they're telling
us about and they said, every time we're fishing, whenever
we get over toward that little island, you know, we
just keep hearing lots of noise and like monkey sounds
and stuff, and you know, rocks get thrown at us,
all this stuff. So we're like, that's interesting. So that night,

(01:17:25):
me and a guy got on a canoe and we
were going to canoe around the lake and canoe over
there to that island. Well, sure enough, when we got
over toward that island, we heard stuff. But we were like,
I don't think it's bigfoot or whatever. This is dark.
This is a non motor boat. You know, you can't
have any gas motor and there's no lights. And when

(01:17:49):
we got the canoe out of the truck, you walk
down this little pig trail to get to the lake,
you know, you just carrying your canoe. So when we
came back, we kind of pulled up into the wrong cove,
like this isn't it. This isn't where we're part And
we kept hearing something in the woods, but you know,
we just thought it's a deer moving or something. So

(01:18:10):
we get back, we go out, we come up in
this other cove and I'm like, okay, this is it.
We had left a light in the back of the truck,
like stuck in that little hole near the tailgate. We
had left a light. Well, the light wasn't out, it
wasn't on, and we're like, you know, I know the
truck's up there. This is where it's at. So we

(01:18:31):
pull up and I hear something and I'm like, Mike,
did you hear that? And he steps out of the
out of the canoe into the water and he's like, no,
what did you hear? And we hear something like it
sounds like something jumping out of a tree. It's just
this big stomp and I'm like, was that a deer?
He's a hunter and I said, was that a deer?

Speaker 4 (01:18:52):
He said no?

Speaker 3 (01:18:53):
I said is that a bear? And he's like no,
he said what is it? And he's like, I don't know,
I don't know. So we're sitting there and we just
stood listening for a minute. And that was the first
time I've ever gotten zapped. It wasn't a panic attack,
it wasn't anxiety. I couldn't breathe. I felt stuck in place.

(01:19:19):
I was pure dread, is what I felt. Just pure dread.
And he's like, Glory Laurie, you know, and he's shaking me.
He's like, what's going on with you? And I'm just
like I don't know, I don't know. And he's like,
let's just leave. We'll leave the canoe. Let's just get
up the trail. I said, Mike will never make it
up that trail. He said, what do you mean. I said,

(01:19:41):
we'll never make it up that trail. We have to
stay right here where we're at. And he said, what
are you talking about? And I'm like, just we're not safe.
Well about that time, we heard at the top of
the tree, at the top of the trail, we heard
a whoop, and then we heard right from where we
were standing, or footsteps go up the hill and over

(01:20:03):
toward the truck. And then the light came back on
and I could breathe and I could move again, and
we picked up that canoe and we got up to
the truck. We threw it in and I jumped in
his truck and locked the door and wouldn't let him
in up. But I mean, it was it was pure

(01:20:28):
dread that I felt, just utter I'm not gonna make
it out of here live.

Speaker 2 (01:20:34):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:20:36):
And he says, and he's he's been squatching for I know,
twenty years, and he said, that is the only time
he's ever heard of whoop, you know, like what he
really thought. And I don't know what that is. And him,
like I said, he's he's a hunter, he ex military,
he's been a lot of places. And he just said,

(01:20:56):
I don't know what it was, but I feel like
I know what it was. I think what I think
was is that there was an adult and then that
was that was the the juvenile down toward us, and
it had been watching us and following us, and then
when we stopped and got out, it was just a
little too close. You know.

Speaker 2 (01:21:16):
Do you think that was the parent that that caused
what happened?

Speaker 3 (01:21:21):
I did, ye. Yeah. I mean, and any any parent
is going to be that way with their kid. You know,
if you had that ability to stop somebody in their tracks,
you would too.

Speaker 2 (01:21:35):
Yeah. Absolutely, Man, that's wild. Then the woof was get
over here, boy.

Speaker 3 (01:21:43):
I want to tear your bed up. When you get home, you're.

Speaker 2 (01:21:47):
Going to tell your mama.

Speaker 3 (01:21:53):
I mean, you know, there's there's story after story like that.
Of when we've been out that things have happened that
you just think, what was that, what could that possibly
have been? And then there's stories where you think it's
something and then you listen to the audio the next
day because we always have audio running, and you listen
to it and you're like, no, that was a cody.

(01:22:13):
You know, that really was a cody. But and we
tell people too, it's like, hey, we all got excited
last night, but in hindsight, this was a coyote, or
in hindsight, that had to have been a deer because
we've seen one just up the trail. You know. Yeah, right,
you gotta be you got to be as honest and
transparent as you can about things that you mistake as

(01:22:36):
you are about things that you know.

Speaker 2 (01:22:40):
I like that, Yeah, you know what I'm talking about.
You know, when we're when we're investigating and stuff we
do that we call whatever it is, it's like, yeah, oh,
that looks like this, but but it's not it's really this.
You know, it just looks like this. Because I'm not

(01:23:00):
gonna say names, but there's people out there, especially on
the podcast side, that do things for that clickbait yep,
and there's no real substance and there's no real substance
period to what it is that they're doing or saying,
and you could see how fake everything is. Somehow these

(01:23:21):
people still get a very massive following and it's it's
very interesting. But you know, Jason and I have had
many a talks on how is it when you try
to bring truth out and keep it honest that people
are just like ah, But then these people that are

(01:23:42):
clearly faking it are, you know, get thousands of thousands
and thousands of these people following them, and I'm just like,
I just don't understand it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:50):
You know, I've said and I've said this recently. You know,
I'll find myself I'll get irritated that somebody got really
popular for something, and I'm like, you know, meanwhile, those
of us that are doing the real research, nobody knows
who you are. And I don't really care if anybody knows.
I'm not trying to be popular. I'm not trying to

(01:24:12):
be on podcasts. I'm not trying to do it. I'm
just I do this because I love it. But you
know what you think, Wait a minute, last year, they
didn't know who Bigfoot was another in a movie? What right,
it's like, what am I doing wrong here? But but
that's always gonna happen. And you know, on expeditions or

(01:24:34):
even just in our research, you know, there's there's friends
of ours even that we kind of make fun of
and we're like, oh my gosh, it's Bob. Everything's a
big foot. To Bob, you hear a stick break, it's
a bigfoot. It's like, no, it's not. I stepped on
that stick over.

Speaker 2 (01:24:49):
There was me.

Speaker 3 (01:24:52):
Yeah, it was me. But you always have that people
and people are drawn to that because they want that
information and they want that excitement, and it's like, okay,
the word truth is you know, the real truth is
is that it's not always exciting, it's not always fun,
it's not always active. Like we talked about in the beginning,

(01:25:13):
if you just you accept the bad.

Speaker 4 (01:25:15):
Days with the good days, yep, yeah, and.

Speaker 3 (01:25:19):
You hope for good days. I mean, you hope that
there's you know, I feel guilty. I feel guilty if
I take people on an expedition and nothing happens. I
feel so guilty. But there's not enough money in the
world that would make me fake something right just to
make them happy. I just apologize to him and say,
you know what, just just this was for whatever reason,

(01:25:40):
we didn't have anything happen, and I'm sorry for that.

Speaker 2 (01:25:43):
You know, the first time we took some people with
us on a doing a ghost hunt, I was worried that,
you know, because we had already been to this place
before and it was I mean just two hours of
nothing but activity.

Speaker 3 (01:26:00):
It was.

Speaker 2 (01:26:00):
It was just crazy. So I was worried that when
these people showed up and went to went to do
this with us, you know, nothing was going to happen,
because what's the norm. Nothing happens. And but luckily, you know,
that night we were setting up equipment outside of this
place and and equipment was already starting to go off.

(01:26:20):
It was it was insane. But but I understand what
you're talking about about feeling the guilty about well, you know,
I can't believe I brought people here saying that it
was like this, but then it was nothing, you know,
But that's part of the experience, it is.

Speaker 3 (01:26:36):
But you know, people society wants the instant gratification.

Speaker 2 (01:26:42):
I want it now.

Speaker 3 (01:26:43):
You tell you tell them, hey, this is a great
paranormal area, and you take them and nothing happens. They're
they're full crap. Yep, it's just it's just the way
people are. They faked it, they faked their their liars.

Speaker 2 (01:26:56):
Okay, yeah, that's crazy. Steve Steven asked a pretty good question.
He says, what's your opinion on why the government hasn't
acknowledged a possible existence of bigfoot like they have the UAPs.

Speaker 3 (01:27:15):
I think because I think because bigfoot. I mean, let's
think about just the United States. People think there's not
a lot of wild areas in the United States. There's
tons of wild area, and I think if you had to,
if you acknowledged it, you know, you're going to have

(01:27:38):
a moratory about there's no hunting, you can't do this,
you can't capture this. I don't think they I don't
think they want people to know. And I think maybe
maybe the government's a little afraid of what the Bigfoot
are capable of, because I think they're very intelligent, right,

(01:27:59):
you know, And I've heard the theories of oh, the
government created these to be soldiers and stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:28:05):
Ash.

Speaker 3 (01:28:05):
I hope I never find that that that's true. I mean,
I hope that's just you know, Boga's crowd. But I
just really think, you know, I mean, what was it
the snowy owl or whatever many years ago, it's like, oh,
these are an endangered species. Bigfoot is a little different
than a little owl. I mean you're talking about something

(01:28:26):
that could be considered a species or humannoid type yep
mm hm. And you know, if the government came out
and said there's bigfoot you, I think that'd be a
bunch of people that would panic, don't you. I mean,
like really panic that there are creatures. I mean, look,

(01:28:47):
I have probably way too open of a mind. I
believe in NeSSI Okay, I believe lockness has a monster
in it somewhere. I truly do.

Speaker 2 (01:28:56):
Yeah about Lake Champlain because you have Champion too, that's
almost absolutely absolutely yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:29:03):
Until they can you know, when people say can you
prove it? And I'm like, can you prove that it's
not real?

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:29:09):
No, you can't. If you can't prove to me that
something is not real, you can't tell me that, just
like you don't have to believe that I say it's real,
but I don't have to believe that you say it's
not real.

Speaker 2 (01:29:19):
Right, Yeah. The whole you know, proof of existence isn't
or an existence is the proof of non existences.

Speaker 3 (01:29:26):
Right right.

Speaker 2 (01:29:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:29:29):
So, I mean, if I'm not hurting anyone by looking
for Bigfoot, you know, I'm not going on people's property
that I shouldn't be ond I'm not upsetting people. If
there's campers, I'm not making any noises. I'm not gonna
do you know. I'm like, oh, we're not going to
stay in this area because you know there's campers. If
I'm not hurting anything, well, how does it affect you?

(01:29:52):
It doesn't affect you. I'm doing this on mym this
is my own research.

Speaker 2 (01:29:58):
Yep, yep. Michelle says that she thinks a lot of
people would panic.

Speaker 3 (01:30:05):
Yeah, I mean I do. I think it would be
kind of like saying, you know, what was that movie World,
World Z or whatever, It's okay that they're gonna come
down and they're gonna suck our blood up and eat
our brains or whatever. You know, if there's a zombie apocalypse,
I hope Bigfoot's on our side. Okay, That's all I

(01:30:25):
can say.

Speaker 2 (01:30:28):
You know what's funny though, is that if you look
throughout history, there's always been at least two or three
humanoid species on the planet at the same time, and coexistence.
There's always been at least that many, So if there
were one, it wouldn't break from the norm as far

(01:30:50):
as what you know. We can see through you know,
through bones and all that other stuff. So you know,
I think people like paleontologists and stuff like that, if
it was to come out, would be like, well, you know,
I could see it. You know.

Speaker 3 (01:31:09):
Like I said, I believe a lot of things are real,
and it's going to take somebody to prove to me
that they're not real.

Speaker 2 (01:31:17):
Well, I like you have seen Bigfoot, so someone would
have to prove to me how I was driving down
the road in an eighteen wheeler and I don't know,
somehow my brain conjured up something else because you know,

(01:31:38):
I wasn't drinking or anything else.

Speaker 3 (01:31:40):
So well that's what I said of like, I was
not drinking, I was not doing any drugs. This was
just a normal me.

Speaker 2 (01:31:50):
That's funny.

Speaker 3 (01:31:53):
That you guys really should go out with me some not.
I would love to go on a paranormal you know,
you guys, but I uh, it would probably scare me.
But I would like to go, but.

Speaker 2 (01:32:07):
Get scared. Jason. Jason used to scream a lot. He's
getting better.

Speaker 5 (01:32:13):
I'll tell you what when we'd done the one in
the you know, the house, the Blue House. I I
don't know if I was scared, but I was screaming
because I couldn't believe what I was seeing. For one,
but it was just crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:32:28):
I mean.

Speaker 5 (01:32:31):
I caught a full body person walking there, yeah, on
it was on the infrared. No, it was on the flair,
walking up behind another investigator. Oh my gosh, in a
doorway and walked up behind him and was looking through
the doorway like this and then and everybody's seen it

(01:32:53):
too on my camera, and it turned around and just
walked back into the room and I started screaming.

Speaker 2 (01:33:02):
I couldn't believe it.

Speaker 5 (01:33:02):
It's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:33:04):
Crazy, That is crazy. That is crazy. You know. I
had somebody ask me one time. They said, are you
Are you an EmPATH? And I'm like, no, not that
I know of. And they're like, I think you are.
And I said why do you think that? And they're like,
because we can I'm an EmPATH that I can sense

(01:33:26):
it from you. And I'm like, well, I don't know that.
I don't know that.

Speaker 5 (01:33:31):
You know, I've never I've never been able to see anything.
I think, I mean my younger years maybe, but the
only way I can see it now is with the
equipment and David sees everything he's.

Speaker 2 (01:33:50):
I've seen on my whole life. Now, I've seen spirits
my whole life. So so it's that's why the ghost
hunting side for me, when we do those kinds of instigations,
I enjoy it. It's not scary at all for me
because these are things that I've seen since I was
three years old, and uh, and so it's just validating

(01:34:14):
to get to see other people Like Jason was very
skeptical when we first started doing this kind of stuff,
and then you seem now and he's not skeptical anymore,
you know, because he's got to have some of these
experiences and and and see some of these things, and
so you know, for me, it kind of validates what
I've seen my whole life.

Speaker 3 (01:34:36):
Well, you have a gift. You have a gift to
be able to see that.

Speaker 2 (01:34:42):
When I was three, it was a very scary gift.

Speaker 4 (01:34:44):
Though, Yeah, it was scary.

Speaker 5 (01:34:47):
That's the exact same thing the priest told him. It
was had a gift.

Speaker 2 (01:34:51):
My my, it was almost it was almost daily. I
would wake up about three o'clock every morning in my
bedroom and there'd be three or four people standing in
my bedroom that I didn't know, just three or four people.
And that's what that's the way I've always seen them.
I've not seen them as see through apparitions or anything else.
They're just they're actual people standing there. And and so

(01:35:15):
that's what scared me was these people were in there.

Speaker 3 (01:35:17):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:35:17):
When I would run out of my bedroom to run to,
you know, crying to my mom, these things would follow me.
And uh, I was the only one that could see
them though, And so my mom would take me to,
you know, the preacher, and the preachers like, oh, it's
a gift. It's a gift. And I'm like, you want
it because I want I don't want this gift, and

(01:35:38):
whoever gave it to me, I don't like you anymore,
you know. So but you know, by the time I
was five, I got to the point where it wasn't
scary anymore and I started really kind of realizing what
it was, and and so you know kind of went, yeah,
it was crazy. Now my my later years in life,

(01:36:01):
it's it's even funner than it ever has been. So
we went to Chickamauga and I saw the Compederick's soldier
there he actually took and he took his hat off
at me and waved, waved at me.

Speaker 3 (01:36:15):
So in North Georgia, I had a lady who was
a medium. I didn't know she was a medium before
she came. She came, she told me after the fact.
And we were in an area and she was just
acting and I'll just say weird, and you know, she said,

(01:36:37):
she said, she starts singing the Battle Hymn of the
Republic and I said, what are you doing? Because we
were bigfoot hunting. She's like, there's lost souls here, there's
soldiers here that haven't crossed over. And I'm like, what,
this is not what I signed up for.

Speaker 2 (01:36:58):
But I mean, she she.

Speaker 3 (01:37:01):
Obviously really felt it, you know, And I can't tell
her she didn't feel it. I don't communicate with her anymore.
My mom died in twenty eighteen, and she called me
and she told me something about my mom that she
couldn't have known. And she told me about this boat

(01:37:23):
that my mom and my dad had built. And I thought,
how you know that there's no pictures of this, there's nothing.
She described it and she's like, they're fishing on the river.
They're okay, And I thought, holy crap, this lady, this
lady's for real.

Speaker 2 (01:37:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:37:41):
Well, the following year, and I'm sure you know this.
The following year, my son died of a drug overdose
and she called me again and she told me some
things about like that my son couldn't get into heaven
or whatever. And I was like, don't ever call me
again because people like ohn't believe her. I'm like, what
she told me about my mom, it was true. You know,

(01:38:05):
I can't. I can't pick and choose to believe. You know.
It's like she knew things then, but you know I did.
I told her at that point, I said, please don't
ever call me again because it was just, you know,
it was upsetting too much. Yeah, yeah, it was just
too much information. And she finally somehow sent word to me.
She's like, Okay, your son is in heaven now and

(01:38:28):
you know, everything's okay. And I thought, okay, but still
don't talk. Don't talk to me again. I don't I
don't need to know anything that you might know.

Speaker 2 (01:38:36):
Okay, leave me in the dark.

Speaker 3 (01:38:40):
Yes, please, please don't tell me those things. You know,
when when a mother loses a child, especially to a
drug overdose, you don't need to know everything, right, you
just don't.

Speaker 2 (01:38:51):
You already know what you need to know, and that's it.

Speaker 3 (01:38:53):
That's it. You don't need to know that stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:38:56):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I've never had like, I
don't know how to say what it is that I have.
I can see them, I've never heard them. They've never
talked to me, never had any anything like that that's
ever happened through my whole life. But you know, like

(01:39:17):
going to Chickamauga, I could feel the place. It feels
like a hundred pounds of weight have been set on
my shoulders the whole time I'm in there, And and
I could literally feel feel the weight on me. Sure,
and there's a lot of places there that make me sick.

(01:39:38):
Two or three weeks ago, my wife wanted to go,
so I took her and we were going and walking
down this one trail and I got a sharp I
mean like a like someone stabbed me in the back
kind of pain and and it burnt pretty bad. And
I was like, man, I've never had anything like that
happened before. But yeah, so I don't know, But.

Speaker 3 (01:40:03):
Did you have any did you have any marks on
you after you left?

Speaker 2 (01:40:07):
I didn't, I really didn't even look.

Speaker 3 (01:40:10):
I mean, it had just been interesting to see if
you were bruised or if you had anything.

Speaker 2 (01:40:14):
Yeah, I told the wife, I said, it felt like
I got shot or stabbed. That's what it felt like. Wow. Yeah,
it was right behind my my left shoulder blade, right
in between my shoulder blade my spine right there is
where I was like, man, it hurt.

Speaker 3 (01:40:29):
That's crazy.

Speaker 5 (01:40:30):
Might have been in Tacos or something, Tacos that was
all the way home, though I don't think it would
have been. Really when when we went down there before
I was I was driving whatnot. As soon as he
stepped out of the car, he was sick of his stomach.

Speaker 2 (01:40:48):
I felt like throwing up. Then we went down this.

Speaker 5 (01:40:51):
Trail where to the battlefield, and David went on a
little ways with We had a I kick with us then.
But there was seven seven horses and so many men
on the plaque that had been killed there. And I

(01:41:12):
did hear a horse and my daughter heard this horse
like you know how they blow out their mouth and.

Speaker 2 (01:41:21):
I heard that.

Speaker 5 (01:41:22):
But it's pretty wild places.

Speaker 2 (01:41:27):
I like Chickamauga. Yeah, And last time I was down
there with the wife, there is places you could pull
off right off the main road. So I think we
could go and have a paranormal that's not far from
where you are, And.

Speaker 3 (01:41:44):
It's not far at all. I have down there a
little bit. How do you feel when you go? H,
I just feel sadness that I've been on a bigfoot
trail before that. Somebody said, what do you what? What's
going on with you? And I said, I just feel

(01:42:05):
like there's a sad old man or a sad old
soul here and they're like, what are you talking about.
I'm like, I don't know. Just what I'm saying is
if there's there's somebody really sad right here, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:42:19):
Yeah, we'll have to do that. Sometimes we'll have to
take you with us and then we'll have to go
with you.

Speaker 3 (01:42:24):
Yeah, we'll bring Mad along.

Speaker 5 (01:42:27):
Oh yes, get Mad and Stephen Stephen where to go?
He he lives in the mountains, so hey, we'll go.

Speaker 2 (01:42:37):
Well, Steven's the one that sent me all those videos
of the guy that's uh got something going on on
his property.

Speaker 3 (01:42:44):
Yeah, so I'd love to see him the videos. Yeah
I would.

Speaker 4 (01:42:50):
I ask Steven, I can keep a secret.

Speaker 2 (01:42:53):
Stephen if he don't mind, because yeah, but if he
don't mind, I will send him to you.

Speaker 3 (01:42:58):
Yeah, I'd love to see because I mean, you know,
it's kind of like if you hadn't been out in
a while, or you hadn't had any activity or something
in a while, and then you just you just want
to see something and get you all excited again, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:43:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:43:14):
I said I'd said that I needed to break. I said,
I cannot do an October expedition. And I told Moneymaker that.
I said, Matt, I just I'm burnout. I just I
just need a break. And uh so I didn't do one.
And then I talked to him the other day and
I'm like, I think I want to do one in December.

(01:43:35):
He said, I thought you were burnt out. I said,
I got the itch. You know, I can't stand and
I can't stay away to go.

Speaker 2 (01:43:48):
Yeah. My wife said she felt the same way. She
said she felt sad. There sadness, but yeah, I don't know.
That's something that I haven't done and I would love
to go do. Though, is do it Bigfoot expedition.

Speaker 3 (01:44:04):
I'm told bad that we need to get some people
in the group and just go just just go do
a camping trip and hike some trails at night in
a good area. You know, it's the same thing as
an expedition on a on a BFRO expedition. You know,
I do the whole you know, we'll do a casting class,
show people how to cast tracks. We'll do a lot

(01:44:25):
of different things like that, show them how to make
a long duration recorder, which that's pretty cool, and get
you a good recorder and make you a contraption and
you hang it out in the woods and it can
last for up to thirty days and you have timed
times that you set your recorder to come up. Wow

(01:44:46):
you then you have thirty days of just listening to
stuff in the forest. Takes a long time to listen
to it, but it's cool. You hear all sorts of
stuff do.

Speaker 5 (01:44:55):
Y'all set out like trail cams and stuff, and then
you go, don't do that.

Speaker 3 (01:45:00):
Much anymore because you don't ever get anything that you
really want to see. You get things that you don't
want you they can all sorts of stuff. You're like, wait, wait, wait,
wait wait.

Speaker 2 (01:45:11):
Because a lot of people say that they think that
they can see the IR on those cameras and that's why.

Speaker 3 (01:45:15):
They well, I believe that because if you'll if you'll
watch a trail camp. What do the deer do, What
do the hogs do?

Speaker 4 (01:45:24):
What do the bear do?

Speaker 3 (01:45:24):
They go and they look straight at it. They can
see it, you know, and they don't really care. They
just look straight at it and then they walk on.
But I think bigfoot can sense it and they stay
away from them.

Speaker 2 (01:45:36):
I've seen some. They've got some new ones that are
out now that do not have.

Speaker 4 (01:45:40):
I R on them anymore, and they cost an arm
and a leg.

Speaker 2 (01:45:45):
They're pretty expensive right now. It'll be a few years
before I could get one, for sure, But I just
think it would be kind of kind of neat to
have one that's not you know, that doesn't have that
i R technology.

Speaker 3 (01:45:58):
Maybe maybe better, yeah, yeah, but I mean, you know,
start with the recorders. You know, people who don't have
the thermal equipment, start with the recorder, and like we
turn our recorder zone before we get out of the car.
And then you know, you hang one on your backpack,
you put one on the car tire for anything that

(01:46:20):
has come up while you're you know, while you're around,
and you know, I have one, I have money one
running outside of my tent the whole time I'm there,
you know, here are all sorts of crazy things. Shouldn't
ate that chili last night. But you know, sometimes you

(01:46:45):
may not hear something and then you go back and
listen to your recorder and it's like, wait, what is that?
You know, and then you can put it on the
spectrogram to see if it's a you know, if it's
a human or a bigfoot or something that's you know
that spike stiff early right, yeah, and then you just
erase it. If there's nothing on there, you just race

(01:47:05):
it and just start over.

Speaker 2 (01:47:08):
Yeah, that's a good thing about digital voice recorders race. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:47:13):
Yeah, Well, Glorie, we got about just a few minutes left.
If you want to give out you know, what you're doing,
what you're going to be doing, Where are you going
If you're going to any festivals or anything in your Etsy.

Speaker 3 (01:47:27):
Store, Well, Thursday, I'm going to Loudonville, Ohio, Mohican Bigfoot Festival,
and that's a really good area for big fitting. But
probably won't have time to do any of that other
than just sitting around a campfire or whatever. And then
I just you know, have some little camping trips planned.

(01:47:49):
I don't have anything big plan. I've got another festival
in November and Lexington conference a Crypticon. Do y'all ever
got to Crypticon?

Speaker 2 (01:47:57):
No, we've never been been to Para Con.

Speaker 3 (01:48:00):
Yeah, there's there's a cryptid Con in Lexington. I think
it's full, but it's every November, the weekend before Thanksgiving, Okay,
And then I hope to do a few little private expeditions,
maybe in December, and then my next big expedition, like
real expedition will be Florida in March. And we're pretty

(01:48:24):
much all sold out for that one. It's in the
in the Panhandle in a really really good area. Is
that Marie going to be She's coming as a guest,
but she's not. She doesn't run it. This is b
f ro. It's actually going to be a Jeff Prowse,
one of the investigators, and myself and Mike Mitton another guy.

(01:48:46):
We've been to this area probably well, we've done I've
done three camp outs there. He lives not far so
he's done a lot of camp outs there and a
lot of more research. But it's it's a good area
mm hmm. So look forward to that. Falls a great
time to go to, you know, if you can get

(01:49:07):
out in the woods during the fall, leaves are falling.
It's it's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (01:49:12):
Hopefully we can go sometime in October, if if we
get a chance with Steven. And in October, we've got
two things that we've got to do. We've got to
talk up in Knoxville at.

Speaker 5 (01:49:26):
The Yeah, I mean be off like a week I
will so right, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:49:36):
We've got two talks in October. That'd be a good place.

Speaker 3 (01:49:41):
You'll go up to cross for you go up to Crossfield,
don't you.

Speaker 5 (01:49:44):
Yeah, we were right outside. Well you want a couple
of much from me?

Speaker 2 (01:49:48):
Yeah, I had those had those guys, those guys with
the all the picture pictures, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:49:55):
The man and the lady with the with the photo album. Yes, yeah, yeah,
that's a lot of evidence.

Speaker 4 (01:50:05):
Yes, a lot of pictures, a lot of evidence.

Speaker 3 (01:50:14):
I don't think I'm going to make it to cross
for this year. I mean, I still got time to
sign up if I wanted to. But I again, I
think I just I need to take that one off
my list for this year and say, yeah, I give
it a break and not go this year.

Speaker 5 (01:50:31):
I don't think we're going either. Uh No, we got
three things to do that month, like you said, h yeah,
I don't think we're going. I ain't even filled out
of APRI yet.

Speaker 3 (01:50:45):
That's with me, I haven't, I haven't. They sent me
a note and said hey, are you coming, and I
was like, oh, we need more that note for a
little bit. So I don't want to say no in
case I changed my mind. But I think I just
need to give it a break and not do it.
I'd like to do some just personal stuff, some private things,
you know, and not be responsible for anything for a
little bit. Yeah, boy, and that's how fun.

Speaker 2 (01:51:09):
Yes it does.

Speaker 3 (01:51:10):
I didn't. I didn't win the lottery the other day.
So to continue to.

Speaker 2 (01:51:13):
Work, I tried to. I tried so hard, so any tickets.
I had a house I was going.

Speaker 3 (01:51:23):
To buy the I know, I know. I woke up.
I had my list going of all the stuff I
was gonna do, but didn't get a single number, not one.

Speaker 2 (01:51:35):
Quit My job was going to be number one on
that list.

Speaker 3 (01:51:38):
And did you give quit your job without a notice?

Speaker 2 (01:51:42):
Yeah? Well, I don't know if I could do that
because it's family owned that where I work. So, uh,
let me tell you, I'd probably at least give up
a notice.

Speaker 5 (01:51:54):
If you would, I would have quit my Job's over.

Speaker 2 (01:52:01):
Yep. Well, we want to thank you for giving us
your time. Yes, thank you, thank you for having me.

Speaker 3 (01:52:08):
Yeah, I hope I was somewhat entertaining.

Speaker 2 (01:52:10):
Oh it was excellent. You have some good stories.

Speaker 3 (01:52:13):
Yeah, oh, I got so many stories. Sometimes I just
feel like a ramble on and stories. But then I'm like, no,
they're just all similar. You know, they're similar. Things have happened, right,
but hey, when let me let me know if you
can share that.

Speaker 2 (01:52:31):
He's already told me in the chat that I could
share them, and he said that the property from those
videos and stuff for in Madisonville, so they're just right here.

Speaker 3 (01:52:43):
I love Madisonville area.

Speaker 4 (01:52:45):
Yeah, yeah, I love that whole area.

Speaker 3 (01:52:49):
I hove the whole quadrant of the state.

Speaker 2 (01:52:52):
Yeah, I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:52:54):
I was I was camping. Where were we camping? How
Wassee State Park? All high was seo kobee. We have
some things going on in that area, not necessarily in
the park, but you know all those little side roads
keep going all around, and there's lots of great little

(01:53:14):
trails and roads over there to go to.

Speaker 2 (01:53:18):
Yeah. Yeah, that's it's there's a really nice area through there.

Speaker 5 (01:53:24):
I mean you've had I know of at least two
crop circle huh yeah, crop Circle reports. That's been headlines
in Madisonville and Madisonville. And we received a video of
a bigfoot running and going down on all fours. It's

(01:53:45):
on our TikTok. It was crazy, yep, and it was Madisonville.
So there's quite a bit of stuff going on overhere.

Speaker 3 (01:53:53):
Yeah, you got everything you need. I mean, you've got
lots of water, you've got lots of cover. That's a
great area.

Speaker 2 (01:54:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:54:03):
But hey, thank you for having me. I appreciate it
very much.

Speaker 5 (01:54:06):
Thank you together soon yes, yeah, they would will send
you those Uh, I'll send you those videos.

Speaker 3 (01:54:13):
All right, Thank you so much. You'll have a great
of your weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:54:18):
Thank you you too, all right, see ya, bye bye.
Terrible Tennessee didn't win. Yeah, I want to thank everybody,
yes for watching. We had a good time. Uh. That
was a great guest, a lot of good stories and

(01:54:40):
I want to thank everybody. But remember you can find
us at paranormafore one dot org.

Speaker 6 (01:54:52):
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