John Russell_ Psychic_ Author_ and Paranormal Investigator

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All right, all ride, Welcome everybody, Saturday Saturday Show.

Speaker 6 (01:45):
We've had a busy day today, Yeah, we have. We
went to town hall, big Foot town hall this.

Speaker 4 (01:53):
Morning, Bigfoot town Hall meeting. Got to listen to some stories.

Speaker 6 (01:57):
Yeah, got to hear a good friend of ours, mister
Matt Saber. Yeah, east to see Bigfoot talk. It's fun.

Speaker 4 (02:04):
Then we got tonight. Yes, got author psychic investigator John
Russell with us.

Speaker 6 (02:14):
Yeah. This was a third time, fourth time.

Speaker 4 (02:17):
Third fourth, I don't know. He's one of our regulars
that we can count on to come on the show.

Speaker 6 (02:25):
He's awesome, really good guy and we appreciate him coming on.

Speaker 4 (02:30):
Yeah, we do. Uh, you got anything for I read it?

Speaker 6 (02:36):
I was just wanting to say, I guess we'll do
it now. You know, you go to panormafore when one
dotter work. That's our website. And when we do our
short shows every Thursday, the ones where Jason and I
are you know, it's it's something that we've actually just

(02:59):
put together. We usually put that after the show into
a blog form on our website. So a lot of
those shows you could actually go on to the website
and read the blog. So if there was a show
or something that you missed or you wanted to go
through and read it, because some people are just like

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reading stuff like that, it's on the website, it is.

Speaker 4 (03:23):
We've got tons of them all right. Oh another thing,
if you're on YouTube when you we've noticed that when
you chat a lot, you get a lot of points,
right David, Yes, now not the actual chatter gets the points. Yes,
So talk all you want. Talk, The more you talk

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to points you get. All right, you ready? We got
John Russell for you know. For half a century, John
has been an internationally recognized professional psychic and medium. As
a paranormal investigator, he has experienced over one thousand physical

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supernatural manifestations and provided psychic readings for clients in more
than forty countries. Wow yeah. John is also a popular
and frequent guest on over seventy radio shows and podcasts worldwide,
including multiple appearances on Coast to Coast AM with George Norrie,

(04:28):
That's Awesome and The Unexplained with Howard Hughes in the
UK and Paranormal for One here. Now. He's been a
sought after a voice in the paranormal community for over
eighteen years. And he also is I like this. He
filmed a TV pilot a for the History Channel on

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which he physically explored the assassination of President Abraham Lincoln.
And he's also been a featured presenter at the two
th twenty two Paranormal, Magic and Ancient Folklore Conference. Now
as an author, John's written several award winning books and
you can go on his website and you can see

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all the awards that this guy has, tons of them.
His book selling Yeah yeah, just real good books, including
writing with Ghosts, Angels and The Spirits of the Dead
Are Knocking the Attic Twenty Ways to Increase your Psychic Ability,

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that's a real good book, and The Crying Tree and
the Magic Rock. Now those have all earned high praise
from notable figures like Gery Geller and George Nori, but
his most recent book, The Kansack Ghost. It's a collection
of true paranormal stories, spiritual insights, and adventures that also

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explores what it took for him to become a certified
tarot master. Oh I did it. Yeah, John, I'm gonna
bring him on. Here is hey.

Speaker 5 (06:09):
Johny gentlemen, It's so good to be back with you.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
Yeah, this is our third or fourth visit. I can't
remember exactly. I think maybe our fourth even, but so
delighted to be back with you guys. We always have
such a good time and I'm really looking forward to
that show.

Speaker 6 (06:24):
Thank you, Thank you. We are. Every time I see
Jason's talk to you and and got you on, I'm like, oh, yes,
this time to have some fun.

Speaker 4 (06:34):
Yes, you're just a real great guy, easy to talk to.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
Yeah, I appreciate it. Bless your heart. I appreciate it
so much. And thank you for that nice introduction. That
was awesome. I just I'm so grateful for what I've
been able to do and my books I've been able
to get out there, the people I've been able to
help worldwide with my readings and it's been an amazing life.
I'm really really happy and grateful for it.

Speaker 4 (06:58):
Yeah. So when you go on George Norri, it's really
late at night. When you go right, oh lord time
it's two am.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
It's three am for.

Speaker 4 (07:12):
Me three am.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
Yeah. So I get up at two, get awake, go
on the air at three from three to five am,
and then I just stay up and start my day,
start checking my emails for five emails and business emails
and stuff, and I just stay awake and go ahead. Yeah.
I've been home with the on Coast Coast now, fourteen

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appearances so far.

Speaker 5 (07:35):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (07:37):
Yeah, I've listened to you once or twice on there.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
Oh, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 6 (07:41):
Have you been back as far as Art Bell?

Speaker 2 (07:45):
Uh No, I was never on our Bell show.

Speaker 4 (07:47):
No, yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
Yeah. I did radio for a period of nine street
years starting in nineteen ninety eight. I did nine straight
years of radio. And that was back when there were
no podcast It was just radio. And then that spun

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out because everybody quit having psychics on their radio shows,
and a lot of the radio shows that I had
been on where I was so popular, they changed ownership,
changed formats and everything, so that all just kind of
stopped until then twenty My very first appearance back on
the air was Home Coast Coast AM and other people

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that listened to that that hadn't podcast heard me and
they wanted me. I'm going to just just steamroll from there.
So been, let's see, in the past going on five years,
I've been interviewed over two hundred times now, so it's yeah,
it's been. It's been busy.

Speaker 6 (08:49):
That's a that's a busy schedule.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
It's a very busy schedule. And that includes let's see,
twelve UK podcasts and twelve from the UK podcast and
I just had my first Australian radio interview the other day. Wow,
it's a lot of fun. It's a blast worldwide, Yeah, worldwide. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (09:13):
So I know you've been asked, you get asked this
every time, but we got we probably have some new
listeners that would want to know how you got started
in all this paranormal.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
The origin story, yeah, yeah, origin story. Yeah, we'll we'll
run through that for the new people, for the ones
that have heard of before, hang in and we'll be
talking about down the road. But yeah, when I was
when I was five years old, I was sound asleep
in the middle of the night, pitch black outside. My

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parents had left the night light on in the bathroom
down the hallway so I could see to get up
and go to the bathroom tonight. And across from the
bathroom there was a doorway that went into our dining room,
and not like shedding up, light had spilled out of
the bathroom and into the hallway, and you can see
pretty clearly in the hallway at night. So I wake
up in the middle of the night. It must have

(10:08):
been like one or two in the morning. It's pitch black,
and I'm like, I'm five years old, and I just
I'm absolutely totally completely wide awake, no drowsiness, no grogginess,
no nothing. I'm just instantly wide away. And I'm like, well,
this is the craziest thing in the world. What's going on?
And I thought, well, maybe there was a noise outside

(10:28):
that I heard and woke me up, and I listening
to nothing. And so I'm laying there and I don't
have any drowsiness at all. I'm just literally just buzzing,
just wide awake, just totally clear, and I thought, well,
this is crazy, and so I just kind of looked
around my bedroom in the dark a little bit, and
I raised up on my elbows in bed, and I

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looked out my doorway down the hall, and in the
night lights glow, there was this elderly black gentleman peering
around the doorway from the dining room and peering at me,
looking at me in the bed, And I screamed bloody murder.
Because my family was white, we didn't have anybody black
living with us. I don't think we even had any
black friends back then. So from my five year old perspective,

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an intruders into the home. So when I scream, he
walks around the doorway into the hall, starts walking towards me,
walking toward the bed. And this guy is every bit
as solid as you were. Eye. He wasn't translution, wasn't transparent,
wasn't a miss. He was every bit as solid as
you were eye. And I knew he was elderly because

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he had close cropped white hair and he had a
white mustache, so I knew he was elderly. And I
can tell you the clothes he had only wore clothes.
He had a red plaid flannel shirt, long sling planel shirt,
had khaki pants, had black shoes and a black belt,
and he locked eyes with me, never looked away as
he walked towards me, and I screamed, bloody murder again.

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My parents woke up and they started to come running,
and as they did, he began to vanish, and then
he just he was gone. And so my parents came in.
I said, there's somebody in this house. Even though I
had seen advantage, I said, there's somebody in this house.
And my pride was so real that while my mother
held me and tried to console me and I'm sobbing

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and crying and yelling, my father actually went through the house,
checked all the doors and windows, looked under the beds,
looked in the closets, and of course there was nobody
there in the flesh. And then it dawned on me,
I'll just see my furse ghost. So I'm I go, Okay,
why did this guy come? Is he going to come
back again tonight? Is he going to come some other night?
Is he gonna want to talk to me? Is he

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gonna want me to do something weird or asked me
to do something scary? What in the world? So my
parents left the light on for me to get back
to sleep, and for the next several nights, as you
can imagine the next several weeks, I'm looking over my
shoulder everywhere I go. I'm like, this guy appeared in
solid form out of nowhere and a locked up, tight house,

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so you know no telling where and when and what
he's going to do next. So I'm always looking over
my shoulder. It's hard to get to sleep at night.
And then all of a sudden, and like I say,
I'm five, five and a half years old. I couldn't
articulate this, but on some intuitive level, I understood, h Okay,
this guy came to open up the portal to these

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paranormal manifestations that I began to experience. And these were
things that occurred on the physical realm. And it wasn't
just me that saw My parents saw them. My parents'
friends saw them, My friends saw them, so they were real.
They were real things, really happening. And I understood that
he had come not to scare me, but to open
up the portal to these manifestations, and that somehow these

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manifestations were going to be crucially important to me in
years to come, and we're going to be helpful of
the people down the road. How I didn't know, but
I understood that on an intuitive level, and from then
on I was never scared again of any paranormal manifestation
that I experienced. And so all these men festations began
to occur. Doors opened and closed by themselves, audible footprints,

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rocking chairs rocking them their own, all these types of things.
And like I said, the family saw friends saw, the
family's friends saw. And so after these manifestations began to occur,
all of a sudden, one day I became aware of
my psychic gift. I was like close to six then,
I guess, and I was out in the backyard playing

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with a toy and this car pulled into the driveway
and I didn't recognize the people and I didn't recognize
the car, so I went running in the house. I said, Mom, Dad,
somebody just come in the driveway. I don't know who
it is. And I said, okay, we'll come out and see.
So we all went back outside, and these are friends
of ours. Well, I had never met the people, so
I didn't know them. So they were standing there on
the sidewalk before they went in the house, and they

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were talking with my mom and dad, and I was
goofing around with my toy, and I came over and
I stood there a little bit and I just I
kind of looked up at everybody, and they looked at
me and kind of smiled and kept going with a conversation.
And I said, you know what, I said, you folks
have just been on vacation. And I said, you took
that car. You drove that car that's in the driveway.
That's the car you took with you. And I said,

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you have two kids. They're not with you today, but
you have two kids. And you took these two kids
with you on vacation. And you stayed at this hotel
that had this many floors, and it looked like this,
and it was painted this color, and there were these
trees out front that were shaped like this, and there
were at regular intervals and a round back was a
pool area and it was painted this color and looked
like this, and blah blah blah. And the lady's husband

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was kind of like this, looking back and forth my
parents and me, and she was looking at me like
I had cobras crawling out of my ears. She black
dogged eyes, bugged out, and I got through talking and
she said, how the hell could he possibly know that?

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And my mom was like them, Oh, you know, kids
in their imaginations, and she goes, no, no, no, no,
this isn't kids in their imaginations. She goes, how the
hell could he possibly know that? And my parents didn't
know what to say, and they said, that's what we
came to tell you because about the vacation. We just
went on and we drove our car with our two kids,
and the hotel we stayed at is exactly exactly how

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John described it. How can that possibly be? And my
mom was like, go play John. I was like, okay,
nice to meet you. Go and it's scared so bad
that I never came back to visit again. So I
learned that by this old black ghost coming opening up
this portal to these physical paranormal manifestations, it also opened

(16:36):
up my psychic gift. And that's when I began to
study and exploration of that.

Speaker 6 (16:41):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (16:42):
Yeah, when you've seen it, did they come in like
a vision or was it a dream or you just
it just pop in your head? The psychic part, yeah,
the psychic predictions and what I see for people, It
comes in various ways. Sometimes it comes as just annoying.
Sometimes I get like kind of a movie or kind
of pictures with it, kind of a vision with it.

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Sometimes audibly. It comes a lot of different ways. So
it's yeah, it just manifest I guess however it needs to.

Speaker 6 (17:14):
Oh, that's amazing.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
It was neat. It was a trip for people's bad
that never came back.

Speaker 6 (17:25):
That would be something they were expecting your head to
spin around and you start spinning up, pup exactly. Yeah,
Oh that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
So that's the origin story.

Speaker 6 (17:41):
What's crazy about that is is that I was three
when I started seeing ghosts coming in my room. Yeah,
and they were corporeal. They were full laporition or full people.

Speaker 5 (17:53):
Right.

Speaker 6 (17:53):
That's what scared me, Like you said, That's what scared
me the most was I didn't think that they were ghosts.
I thought they were strange people just standing in my bedroom.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
Exactly where did this person come from and get in here?

Speaker 6 (18:05):
And what was crazy is like it was usually two
or three of them, Yeah, and I would be asleep
and I'd wake up and they would be like staring
at me, and so I would jump up and run
out of the room and be screaming, and well they
would follow me around the house and so my mom said,
I used to run around the house just screaming. You know,
they're chasing me, They're chasing me, They're chasing me, and

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of course no one else could see them. And uh,
but when I was about five, they stopped scaring me.
It was no I actually remember running that night from
them and was screaming and everything. And then I don't
know why, but for some reason, I just turned around
and I looked at them and I was like, I'm
not afraid of you anymore, and I went back upstairs,

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went back to bed, and they never bothered me again,
exactly exactly.

Speaker 4 (18:55):
It was weird.

Speaker 6 (18:56):
I've never had where like they tried to contact me
like that. I never remember, even up to this point
because I'll still see things, but I've never had an auditory,
you know, where there was like trying to talk to
me or anything. It's just always been just seeing the spirit, yeah,

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or the person actually, because it doesn't look like a
spirit exactly.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
Yeah exactly. Yeah. Yeah, I've had several manifestations like that,
for the person appeared physically and then vanished, and so
it was like, oh, okay, one of these un like you.
After that, you know, I stopped being scared. I was
never scared again. And I've had, oh god, waiver a thousand,
probably thousands of physical paranormal manifestations, and we've caught it

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on film, we've caught it on you know audio, other
people Bill have been eyewitnessed to it and seen it themselves.
And I've been startled. I mean, when you're in your house,
you know you're lone, the house is locked up, and
you turn around somebody standing there in the flesh like
you said, you're gonna jump, and then when they vanished
and go, okay, just goes everything's all right. But I've

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never been scared again. There's nothing that's ever frightened me,
you know, ever since that time. Yeah, like I said,
I've had probably thousands by now. And it was really funny.
There was I found by accident one day on the
when I was on the internet. I found by accident
this website that these two guys seemed to primarily concentrate

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them on Coast to Coast am guests and they take
them and they pick apart their interviews and say, you know,
oh this is BS and this is blown and this
is you know, stupid and all this and all that.
So the one behold. They had one of part of
one of my interviews on this thing, right, and the
guy was like, oh man, how does he know he
said over a thousand what does he do? Does he

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write him down? And he's sitting there and he goes, oh,
here comes another one, Better write it down, And I'm
that's exactly what I do. I went back through my life,
getting at an early age and started keeping a journal
of all these experiences. I literally wrote them down and
do to this day. And so was the noise got

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that many? Well, I counted them.

Speaker 6 (21:18):
Of them that was funny. You should write them and
be like are you psyching? Because that's exactly what happens.

Speaker 4 (21:36):
Well, John, I'm totally opposite. I'm I used to be
very scared of my own shadow. Yeah. When I was younger,
I drove my mama crazy. I mean I would hear
keys rattling outside my window, sea shadows and and things,

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and she made me go see our pastor at church
over it. And grew up. You know, I was still
scared of the dark. Probably. I went to David's house
in twenty twelve. I can go back for two weeks

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because I'm what we found and but you know, after
after after seeing things and seeing you know, the evidence
we called. You know, I believe that there's something out
there after death, and I'm not scared anymore. I really

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ain't scared of it.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
Yeah, And you know, that's that's the goal I've had,
and all of the psychic work I've done, all the
interviews i've done, the books I've written, I've tried to
get people to understand that the way the paranormal, the
way the other side has been portrayed, the way perenormal
events have been portrayed is is not accurate. It's not

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right because there's not anything to be afraid of. There's
not anything to be scared of. In my life, of
all the events I've had, everything has been overwhelmingly positive
and literally life saving several times. So this is why
I try and get people to understand, you know, when
you approach the other side, look, if you're scared of it,
don't do it, don't investigate it. I have people I've

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known that have been like, you know, oh I went
to investigate this, or I experience this and oh god,
I was sick for days afterwards and I'm nervous, or
I threw up or both. If it's scars, you don't
do it. Yeah, a simple answer. And you know if
also people misinterpret events that happened to them as being

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something level un or scary or dangerous when it's not.
When that's just basically the status quo for what's going on.
So I tell people, look, if you really seriously want
to investigate, you know, arm yourself with knowledge beforehand, get
yourself grounded, ask yourself what your limitations are, what you're
comfortable with and what you're not. And then when you

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go into a place to investigate, announce yourself to tell
the spirits who you are, and tell them why they're there.
And be respectful. That's the greatest thing. Be respectful. And
if you do that, you're going to create a good environment.
You're going to create a good experience, you know. So
don't charge them there like a jerk and start personal

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spirits and challenging the spirits and this, that and the
other and then running like a scared little girl when
they do something. You know, don't don't approach things that way.

Speaker 6 (24:34):
You you did, you read our new book? I mean
what is that? I mean, that's that's comprehensive guide to
paranormal investigations. Right, That's that's what. That's just things that
if you're going to do this and you're going to paranoral,
do any kind of paranormal investigations, you know, you want
to be respectful exactly exactly. I tell people all the time,

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Like you was talking about how people misinterpret things. Yeah,
I have some thing. And whether it's grounded in reality
or not, I don't know, but in my mind it's right.
So I'm just going with it. But I think that
sometimes when people are poked, scratched and and these things
are going on, it's not that the ghost is is

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is trying to be malevolent to you and trying to
do these things to you. Maybe it's a little mad
because it's trying to talk to you. You're sitting here
saying that you're there to talk to it. It's trying
to You're not paying attention, and it's saying, hey, i'm here,
you know, to me, it's not something that they're doing
to be you know, bad or mean or anything, you know,

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and you know, and then all of a sudden they
want to throw this of what's demon thing, right, these
kinds of stuff.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
You know, of the demon thing, the demon thing going
to the point that you're making. When I was shooting
the the TV pilot for the History Channel, this one location,
this lady come up to me and she said, when
you have breaking filming, I need to talk to you.
This ghost tried to kill me. And I'm like, oh,
my god, tried to kill you. Said yeah, d yeah, Dad,

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I'll tell you tried to kill me. So before we
resumed filming, I tuned in on the other side, the
other side, and told me the story of what was
going on and why. So I said, okay, So we
did more filming, got to break in the filming. I
took her in another room in the house. I said, okay,
tell me your story. She said. I was standing in
the kitchen and in the cupboard across the kitchen, the
door opened by itself. This plate flew out, flew across

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the room, crashed into the wall right beside me, and
broke chattered and went to the floor. Ghost trying to
kill me, I said, Ghost, one'm trying to kill you.
Wasn't even trying to hurt you, I said. I tuned
into the other side, and this is what they told me.
They told me that they've been trying to get through
to you for years, and you've been ignoring them and
pushing them away, and they've been trying and upping and

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upping the energy and upping the ways they're trying to
reach you, because they're wanting to guide you, the wanting
to help you, the wanting to get through to you,
and you keep pushing them away and ignoring them and
turning the dead fear. And finally they're like, ignore this.
You're not trying to hurt you, trying to kill you.
They're trying to get your attention. I said, So here's

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what you do, and here's how you learn to listen,
and so on and so forth. So, like I said,
there's a lot of misinterpretation of events that go on
out there, and if you take it at face value
or from a knee jerk fear reaction that you've been
taught or raised with or whatever, that's where you're going
to go to and everything is going to be in
the level of demonic bad whatever. And it's not that way.

Speaker 6 (27:39):
It's not that well, yes, yeah, absolutely, that's that's what
I've always believed to you know. It's just it's saying, hey, yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
Yeah, yeah, I've had them do that to me I
had the other day. I get up ellerly the morn
and usually four or five and start my day. And
so I was sitting here in my office at at
my desk here, and from behind me there was a
sound that was like a bloom popping, and it was

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like really loud, and the house is quiet, you know,
and everything. So here's this loud pop behind me, and
I'm like, what in the world. So I turn around,
I'm looking upind the source of this pop, and I'm like, okay, guys,
you know what's going on here? You go to show
me what's happening. And I couldn't see any I'll be
a source for this. And finally there's this little plastic

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basket I had over here behind me on the floor,
and in it I had a new deck of tarot
cards I bought, and there was a specific deck I bought.
I was going to do some heating work for myself,
some energy work for myself, and just kind of recharged
because I've been neglecting myself a lot. And so I
had those in there in that little basket and a
few of the things and what had made this popping sound.

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It's the most weird design basket. You've ever seen the
handle have an insert on top with two prongs on
each little handle that go down into the rest of
the handle, and it's a different color. And to take
those out you have to pull with like huge force,
and when you do, they make this popping noise, like
a bloom popping when they come out. Well, that handle

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had come out of that basket and that's what made
that sound. And the message was, Okay, guys, I get it.
I was set those over here. I was going to
take care of myselfy charge them. They've paid more attention
with that and I haven't been doing and you're telling me, hey,
time to focus on yourself a little bit here now.

Speaker 6 (29:38):
Yes, that's crazy, though, I mean where do you think
it is? I mean where do you think that they
get this energy sometimes to interact with us like they do?
Do they pull it from things around us? Or do
they get it from us sometimes? Because I noticed last
weekend the wife and I went to the battlefield again. Yeah,

(30:02):
this is my second time there, my first wife's first time.
And this time I was able to control a little
bit better. I didn't get as sick. I got a
little sick to my stomach, we got to a certain
spot though, and you know, this is the second bloodiest
battle in the in the Revolutionary War war the Civil War.

(30:25):
I'm sorry. And at one point we're going down through
there and I feel a sharp pain through my back
right behind my left shoulder blade. And I mean it
felt like I got shot or stabbed, That's what it

(30:45):
felt like. And I was like, I told my wife.
I was like, man, I said, you know, I just
feel this really sharp pain and everything come through me.
You know, is that do you think that's me feeling
the place it's self or what happened there, or what
do you think is going on with that kind of
stuff too.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
I had a real similar experience when I was doing
the Lincoln assassination investigation. I think that that is a
communication from a spirit there that's giving you that physical
bit of feedback and or some paranormal psychic replay in
the environment that just goes over and over and over again,

(31:26):
and whoever's sensitive too it can experience it. When we
were doing the Lincoln investigation, we went to several historic
sites and in one of them, we were sitting there
and I was standing there with my producer and the
film crew and we were talking to some of the
docents and stuff, and all of a sudden I got
this hidious pain that began in my back and went

(31:49):
through to my chest, and it was like and I
knew it wasn't a heart attack, and I knew it
wasn't this, and it wasn't that. It's like, oh my god,
this is something psychic going in but what the heck?
And it got some bad. I literally had to sit
down and struggle for breath. There was a chair there,
and I was sitting there just like, oh my god,
Oh my god. And I finally looked up the doc
They were over there talking and I interrupted him and said,

(32:10):
who was stabbed in this room? Somebody was stabbed through
the chest in this room. Oh that was so and so,
and yeah he was. He was stabbed almost right at
the spot where you were, I think, said. I was like, OK,
and then it went away. So it was like, tell
my story. You know, yes, that type of thing. So

(32:31):
so you get those experiences, and that goes back to
me saying again, you know, know your depth, know your limitations.
There are places that I can go and spiritual experiences,
paranormal experiences I can have that would send other people
running or make them sick or whatever, and it doesn't
affect me at all. It doesn't bother me at all.

(32:52):
There's there's nothing that that really upsets me or bothers me.
And again, know yourself, because I took or some one
time there was this whole abandoned house that we went
to investigate for a little bit and he got nauseated,
he got physically sick of the stomach, felt like he
was going to throw up, and I was energized. I

(33:12):
felt good, you know. So I always told me to say,
know yourself, you know, find out what your limits are.
And if you know a certain environment or a certain energy,
or a certain particular category of investigation like civil war battlefield,
if you go there and you feel sick, you feel bad,
to get a headache, whatever, that's not your niche stay
away from it. Find something else to investigate, something else

(33:33):
you can do.

Speaker 6 (33:35):
Because both times I've been, I felt that, both times
i've been, I've felt like one hundred pounds sack was
set on my shoulders and I carried that all the
way till the time I left.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Yeah, now you have to decide, you know, is this
something I can contend with? And deal with successfully. Yeah,
Or is this going to be something that you know,
it puts a damper on this for me, or it
causes me to feel bad physically for a few days
afterward or whatever. That's something you have to come to
terms with and figure out.

Speaker 6 (34:09):
I start feeling drained almost like I just start getting drained. Yeah,
And now this time the sickness wasn't as bad as
the first time I went. The first time I went,
it was Jason could tell you. I mean I felt
like I was just gonna up chuck everywhere.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
Yeah, yeah, really bad.

Speaker 6 (34:28):
Yeah. And this time it wasn't that bad. I just
kind of felt it, you know, that precursor to feeling sick,
feeling you know the whole time I was there. But
it wasn't make it better.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
You know, each time as you do that or it
may not, and if it doesn't, you just have to decide, Hey,
is this worth it or not? You know, let me
let me investigate someplace else. You know. It's like like
I tell everybody, you got to learn that threshold of
what works for you and what doesn't. And I'm I
guess the odd man out the anomaly. But my entire life,

(35:01):
I've been able to investigate any place, anything, experience all
of these things and not have any adverse physical reactions.
So that's been really great. You know. I've had tons
of paranormal manifestations, tons of interactions with spirits, UFO sighting
and interactions, and I never had any problems. So that's

(35:24):
that's my blessings, that's my gift.

Speaker 6 (35:28):
I always wondered if it was just I've never explored
that side of anything. You know, I've always known I
could see right, I've never explored past that to see
if I had anything else or if anything else was
going on. And because the wife and I have gone

(35:48):
to several Indian mound places and stuff like that. When
I go to those places, it's the complete opposite. I
feel great, I feel happy, I.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
Feel boston Field energy.

Speaker 6 (36:02):
Yes, those those places I haven't been to. I'll say
I haven't been to one yet that that I've felt
negative to when I've been on that.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
That's your niche, that's your that's your you know, your
your connection with positive energy there and to enable you
to do that, and the you know, the Civil War battlefields, man,
those are grewsome places, you know. I went to one
I write about and writing with ghost Angels on the
Spirits of the Dead. I went to the Elusty battlefield

(36:31):
here in Florida, and uh, man, the crazy energy there,
you know, it's it's just absolutely unbelievable. Excuse me. And
you think about here's Americans killing Americans for some weird
ideology that some historians can't even agree on. Why the

(36:53):
Civil War, you know, and the fact that we did
this see each other, that we we killed each other
this way, and it's just crazy, It's just nuts. The
energy is manic. The energy doesn't even make sense. Yes,
And when I was doing my investigation of a Lusty,

(37:15):
it was like, man, there was hardly any fear, if any,
and a Lusty was one of the major battles here
in the Civil War, and there was almost a sense
of glee of like, what damn, let's go kill this singer,

(37:38):
Like are you kidding me? Are you crazy? And these
people were just out there, you know, hacking each other
up and stab at each other and shooting each other
and you know, blowing each other to bits with cannons
and stuff, and just yeah, let's let's do this thing.
And it's like, how does this take place in the
national mindset that you can do this. I just I

(38:00):
couldn't understand it. It just it was just mind blowing.
And for people that want to read all about that,
get my first book, writing with ghost Angels on the
Spirits of the Dead, and I discussed some links the
elistic battlefield investigation I did. It was really mind blowing.
But man, the energy there was unsettling. It was unlike

(38:23):
any other place I'd ever been. And for me, it
was just the humanity of it all, you know, or
the lack of humanity, I should say, the lack of
compassion and the fact that we could do that to
each other as Americans. You know, it just it's crazy.

Speaker 4 (38:36):
It's crazy sometimes even it was your neighbor, your kinfolk.
That yeah, it was against each other.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
I mean against family, yeah, family member against family members.

Speaker 4 (38:48):
While we're talking about riding with ghosts, tell us about Melissa, Oh, Melissa,
I want to know about Melissa. Listen to my beloved
motor cycle. We met when we moved to Florida. We
met and I saw her on the showroom floor. She

(39:08):
was Brandy was out a mile on her.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
And until I had to quit riding, I put almost
one hundred and fourteen thousand miles on her wow, as
one host pointed out that I was interviewed by that's
four and a half times around the circumference of the Earth.
When I saw her, I fell in love with her
at first sight, and I asked her what her name was,

(39:33):
and she told me it was Melissa, and I said, okay,
because I believe machines have spirit, souls, whatever, intelligence, energy,
just like anything else does. And we started started riding.
I've been riding since I was fifteen, been a biker
since I was fifteen, and she was my latest bike
and now my last bike. And my producer at the time,

(39:58):
he was the History Channel, didn't air the pilot, and
we learned that's unfortunately not uncommon in the TV and
movie industry, and so we were trying to work on
other TV projects and he said, you know what, he said,
write up of just a little blog online and just

(40:19):
put some terse descriptions of some of these paranormal experiences
you have, so that when we go to various producers
and stuff and say, well, here hit this blog and this,
we'll tell you kind of what John's about and what
his experiences on and so forth. So I had just
gotten Melissa around that time, excuse me. And as I
began to ride, I begin to have all these over

(40:40):
the top even for me, paranormal experiences that were connected
to my motorcycle rides, and I begin to, you know,
make short little listings of them in the blog, but
I would only list like the highlight, and all the
details of everything I experienced were so significant, so important,
so meaningful from spiritual perspective, that it dawned on me

(41:03):
one day, Okay, I need to gather all these together
in detail, with the full events of everything that happened
during each experience, and put these in a book. And
that's going to be my legacy. That's what I'm going
to leave. So that was writing with ghost, angels and
the spirits that dead. And then after that it was
like somebody said, well are you We'd like a book

(41:24):
about how you grew up and how you came to
be psychic, how you discovered all this. Well, that was
then a knock in the attic. And that has my
origin story that I told here tonight, of the old
Black Ghost and so on and so forth, and that
goes follows the timeline from my childhood of my adulthood
and so on and so forth. And then the third book,

(41:44):
Twenty Ways to Increase Your Psychic Abilities, that came about
because over the years, the other side has taught me
ways to do things, spiritual things that work. They absolutely
change your environment, they change your circumstances. And I knew
they were because when they worked and I passed them
on to my clients, my clients told me they worked,
and it was like, write these down to books. You

(42:07):
didn't give these to you know, so other people can
enjoy other than your clients. So that was Twenty Ways
to Increasure cych Abilities that came about. And then the
fourth book, The Crying Tree and the Magic Rock, that
came out. We moved here and I encountered the Crying Tree,
the Magic Rock, all these other wonderful paranormal manifestations. And
the latest book, The Kansack Ghosts that's more true paranormal stories.

(42:29):
And in each book, each book has its own flavor
and its own tone. It kind of encompasses a different
spiritual feel and I get I get some really good
feedback on these books, which makes me feel really good.
And I try and include a little humor in each book.
I try and include some think pieces in each book

(42:51):
on a spiritual perspective, like in the Kansack Moost. You
know everybody says, bloom where you're planted. Well, I wrote
an entire chapter on the spiritual aspect of what I
learned from the other side about that cliche about it
may not be possible to bloom where you or planet,
and the spiritual lessons we can learn from that, and
so on and so forth. So did that, and now

(43:12):
I've got coming in twenty twenty six. There will be
a follow up, twenty More Ways to Increase your Psychic Abilities,
which kind of shocked me because I thought twenty Ways
was one and done. I really did. I thought, Okay,
that's it, one and done, and then the other side
came to me one day, it's a johnt remember this technique?
Oh oh yeah, yeah, yeah, remember this technique? Oh man, Yeah.

(43:33):
So there's gonna be twenty more Ways, and then in
twenty twenty seven is going to be glowing orbs, ghostly
movies and mysterious frogs, more true tales of the paranormal,
and more exciting news stories that I've never told before,
and things that other people have shared with me. Most

(43:54):
of these are my own experiences, and like I said,
I've had so many that, you know, I could write
book after book for booking not really exhausting. So the
books are ongoing and there'll be more after that.

Speaker 4 (44:06):
That's awesome, Yeah, it is, thank you.

Speaker 6 (44:10):
After after the break, I want to talk about your
new book.

Speaker 4 (44:18):
Okay, well we got about fifteen minutes. I want to
ask you about I think you mentioned it or you
had a chapter in it in Knocking the Attic about
your UFO experience.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
I think about my UFO experiences in most of my books.

Speaker 4 (44:40):
Now, this one was an Area fifty one, I believe
or something like that.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Oh the the lady that Yeah, this was when I
was in Roswell. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's Knocking
the Adage. Yeah. I had gone to This was back
in nineteen ninety eight and they had an event in
Roswell called Avian Encounter ninety eight and I went there
to do readings and Stanton Friedman was there. I got

(45:10):
to see him lecture, and a lot of other people
were there and so on and so forth. So one
morning before Alien Encounters started, I said, I've got to
go to the Roswell UFO museum. I can't be here
and not go to the Roswell UFO Museum. So and
the weird thing was Osborne in Carlsbad, New Mexico. Never
lived in New Mexico and had never been there. So

(45:34):
my family immediately whisked me back to Texas and that's
where I grew up spent most of my adult life.
So anyways, I'm in Roswell. So I go to the
UFO Museum and it's not open yet, and I'm standing
out on the side of walking looking in the windows
and stuff, waiting for it to open, and there's not
much foot traffic. I'm just kind of milling around outside.
And this lady comes walking down the street and as

(45:55):
she gets closed, she looks at me and nods, and
I look at her nod, and we smiled each other,
and she tops and she said, are you waiting for
the UFO the museumed open? I said yeah, I said,
I'm this is my first time here and I can't
wait to see it. It's going to be really exciting
for me. And she said, oh. She said, well what
do you do? Why are you here in Roswell? And

(46:16):
she asked me if I lived there, and I said no,
I said, I was. I was there own business. She said,
what are you doing? I said, oh boy, here we go, because,
oh boy, another moon. I said, okay, well, I said,
I'm a psychic and I'm here doing readings, taking Kenter
ninety eight. And she looked at me and she got
real serious and she said, would you believe what I'm

(46:37):
about to tell you? Then I'm like, okay, now you've
got my attention. What's going on? So she said, when
my brother and I were kids, we were outside playing
and we saw the UFO come over and crash. And
I was like, coldly God, And she said, even though

(46:59):
we were we knew it wasn't a helicopter. We knew
it wasn't a bloomp. We knew it wasn't a bloom
We knew it wasn't a plane. We knew it was
a UFO. We saw the craft, we knew it was
not man made. We knew it was not of this world.
And she said, when it came over, it was wobbling,
weird in a funny way. And we looked each other
and said, you know this, this thing's in trouble. And

(47:22):
we saw it going off over the distance and crash.
I'm like, my god, I am standing here in Roswell
talking to an eye witness to one of the Roswell
UFO crashes.

Speaker 4 (47:35):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
And I said, have you ever like come forward to
the press or gone to podcast, interviews, radio or anything
and told this story? And she says, no, never have.
She said, You're one of the very few people on
the planet that I've ever told this to. And I
said why, I said, this is my god, you were
an eye witness to this thing. And she said, well,

(47:57):
the reason I haven't come forward is because then when
that happened shortly thereafter, she said, there were people in
town all over Oswell that came to virtually everybody. And
she said, we knew somewhere in the military, we knew
somewhere from the government. Some we didn't know who they

(48:19):
were or what they were. And basically, the bottom line
message delivered was, if you talk to anybody about this,
if you do any interviews, if you do any radio,
you talked to somebody in the press and the newspaper, whatever,
if you talk to anybody about this, you and your
family's bones are going to be found out in the desert. Yeah.

(48:41):
And that's been corroborated from several people during that time frame,
not just that, she said that there's several people in
that era that were interviewed that were told they were
given those death threats basically. And she said, you know,
she said, if you're a tough old boy and you
ain't scared of the devil himself going to back down,
you don't care. But if you've got a family, you

(49:02):
get a wife and kids, you don't want to happen
to them, So you're going to shut up, right yep.
And so the younger said, I understand that, And all
of a sudden, she looks up and down the street
she goes, I've said too much. I'm sorry, hunt, I
got a run, and she took off like a rocket.
So that was that was my Roswell, you have the experience.

Speaker 6 (49:21):
That's amazing, though, I mean to actually get somebody that
was ane, that.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
Saw, that was an eyewitness to the event, yeah, I
just to display my mind as well.

Speaker 6 (49:33):
Yeah, because I mean that one event is what everybody
holds in their head, as you know, when you talk
about levels of of of having not only sightings, but
just anything like that happening. I mean, that's always at
the top. You know that happened there.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
Experiences mark for everything that followed you.

Speaker 6 (49:58):
Yes, yeah, that's amazing.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
Oh it was astonishing.

Speaker 5 (50:03):
I was.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
I was just I was gobsmacked. I was like, oh
my god, I've talked to an eyewitness to the Rosweld
UFO graph. It's like, my god, you know, just just incredible,
absolutely incredible.

Speaker 6 (50:15):
I've always wanted to go to Croswell.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
Yeah, it's amazing. It's it's amazing. It's it's pretty easy.
It has a really unique energy. You know, every place
has its own psychic energy. It's on spiritual energy, and
Roswell is it's kind of off the charts. It's it's
out there. It's it's something else.

Speaker 6 (50:35):
Talking about you. You being born in Carlsbad, I have
tons of memories of being a kid because I was
born here but taken to Tennis to Texas out and
we moved first to Pecos, Texas when I was and
uh and so, but going to Carlsbad. We went to

(50:57):
the Carlsbad Caverns tons of times. I mean that was
like at least a couple of times a year thing
that we went, right, which is an amazing place.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
It is it is. Yeah, I have been to the
Carlsbad caverns. I have been back to that so but
it was it was so funny. I was born in
Carlsbad but have never lived in New Mexico. As soon
as my mother had me, we zip back to Texas
and grew up in West Texas and lived most of
my adult life there before I eventually moved to New
York and then eventually we moved Florida from there.

Speaker 6 (51:30):
So wow, psychically New.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
York, New York, New York's got some wild energy. There's
some wild UFO activity there too, especially in the Hudson
Valley and uh in a Knock in the Attic, and
then in subsequent books The Kansas Ghost, I write some
extra stories about the house that we had there in
New York. The paranormal experiences we had there, folks were

(51:58):
really dramatic, really need and just man. I look back
on my life and it's like I reread my own
books and I'm like, dude, you know, look at this,
look at what you've lived, look at what you've experienced.
You know, it's just it's it's absolutely mind blowing. And

(52:18):
you know, I get what I tell critics now, because
oh yeah, this isn't impossible, this can't happen. You know.
He saw swamp gas a lot of the UFO, And
I told people, say, look, go get my third book,
Twenty Ways to Increase your Psychic Abilities. I said. It
takes you by the hand and lead you step by

(52:39):
step on how to learn these things and prove to
yourself that these things are regal. So if you disbelieve,
if you're hardened skeptic, if you're a cynic, whatever, go
get this book. Sit down and give it an honest try.
You know, pick out like the chapter with psychometry, spend
a month with that, give it an honest try, and
convince yourself these things are real, and then go on

(53:02):
from there. Now, I don't have all the answers, you know.
I've spent my entire life investigating this stuff and learning
this stuff and practicing this stuff. I have more questions
than answers at this stage of the game. But you
can prove to yourself that the spiritual realm isn't real,
that psychic powers exist, that paranormal manifestations exist, and you
can experience these things for yourself in a safe way

(53:25):
and convince yourself, oh hey, this realm is real. Let
me find out a little bit more about this, and
let me see if I can engage with my spirit
guides and my guardian angels and my deceased relatives on
the other side that maybe can come and give me
a timely word of wisdom or help or knowledge or protection.
Like I say, I've literally been saved. My life has

(53:45):
been saved many, many times by my guardian angels. And
it's because I learned to listen. I believed, and I
learned to listen, and I learned to hear that boys.
And when they said John, do this, I said, okay,
you know, and it saved my life many times. So
this is message I've tried to get across my books,
and people read them, and even even reviews will say,

(54:07):
and especially editorial reviews will say that the books are
not written to elicit fair or scary responses, but to
show you that there is a side that you can
connect with in a good way. And even with that,
there are some people that have read the books that say, man,
this this raised the arrow arms, you know, for them

(54:28):
to think about experiencing these things. But overall all the
books were written to show you, hey, there is a
spiritual realm you can connect with. It's a positive realm,
it's a loving realm. It can help you. Do we
have all the answers? No? Do we have a lot
of questions still, Yes, as we were discussing before we
came on there. But you know we have let's walk

(54:49):
in white light. We have and seek more. And that's
I think the message of all of my books. They're
all written in a very positive bame. They all contain
a little bit of humor in them, because I believe
humor is important and everything. Some of the humor is
spiritually related, and then some of it's just plenty of
events that I experienced that I thought people would get
a kick out of here, and so I included it
give a little comic relief. And people have appreciated that.

(55:12):
They've told me they appreciate that. So they're a fun read.
They're good read people are going to enjoy well. Like
I say, if you doubt, go get my book Twenty
Ways and Creature psychic Abilities. Give it an honest, honest
go and you'll convince yourself.

Speaker 4 (55:27):
That sounds that's awesome. Yeah, I got one more question
before the break. It's sure are you the cook? I
mean or does your wife cook this? I know you
had some nachos today, didn't you.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
Oh man, I make them nachos.

Speaker 4 (55:43):
A baby, no boy, I see a post John John Russe,
actually so hungry every time.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
Yeah. I'm a good cook, and my wife's a good cook,
and we both enjoy food and joy eating, enjoy cooking,
and yeah, we have a good culinary life. It's really good.

Speaker 4 (56:09):
I know some of the food you post, I've said
it before, tea, but it looks really good.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I'm a good cook. She's a good cook,
and we both enjoy cooking and enjoy eating, and yeah,
and the older I get, it's really funny. I can
cook a lot of things, and a lot of really
good dishes, and a few upscale things so cold and
so on and so forth. But the older I get,
the more I like my pre do pie and my nachos.

(56:36):
You know, my roast and my carrots and my potatoes
and my pento beans and corn bread, all the stuff
I grew up with. I'll find myself gravitating back to that.
And I've eaten in some really great restaurants, some fancy,
high end restaurants. I like s Cargo and all of
these things in crim Breulay, and we've had some really
exotic dishes over the years. But the older I get

(56:58):
to more gravitate back to the comfort food from when
I was a kid, and you know, take a hot dog,
put it on white bread with some mustard, and boom,
there you go.

Speaker 4 (57:08):
You know, yes, yeah, I know. There's just one Mexican
restaurant you'd like to go to. I don't know the
name of it, but that food looks good.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
Oh it was so good. Yeah, that was that was
when we were living in a different city here, and
oh my god, that food was good. I went every
chance I got. Text Mix is my favorite. I grew
up eating that when I was a kid in West Texas,
and in West Texas we had oh my god, we
had Mexican food. Nobody on the planet could touch it was.
It was so good. It was undreal, and I really

(57:35):
miss that. That's one of the things I miss about
my childhood in my hometown is enjoying that. But I
found a few good Mexican restaurants here and there we
were living now, found a couple of good text mix
style restaurants. So that's that's one of my go tos.
And good comfort food.

Speaker 4 (57:52):
Yeah. I just thought i'd throw it in there. The
man can cook, yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah. So we're
gonna give you a break, a little four minute break,
and when we come back, we'll be talking about guests.
David wants to ask you some questions about your new book,

(58:14):
and I.

Speaker 6 (58:14):
Want to hear some stories. And the story you told
us about about the book, The Sack, can you know how? Yeah,
that alone was just awesome. It was fun. It's name,
that's all right.

Speaker 4 (58:38):
So everybody stay tuned and we'll be back in about
four minutes. After this quick little break.

Speaker 3 (58:44):
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Speaker 7 (01:00:01):
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Speaker 4 (01:01:38):
The word thou.

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
Love us last at that? Well how well the window say? Wow,
start you'll say that it's called.

Speaker 6 (01:02:50):
Oh yes, We're back. I wanna say that is our
good friends, Catalyst of East Tennessee that music.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
That you here there, that's some awesome music.

Speaker 6 (01:03:01):
Yeah, they're they're really good. That's awesome music, and we're
we're happy that they allow us to to play it. Yeah,
they don't try to procecouches on it or nothing. You know,
just there you go. So, uh so the sac Can Ghost,

(01:03:22):
the Canasack Ghost and Sack I said, I'm saying it backwards, right,
how did you name it? Because you told us the
story and I was like, man, that was good.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
It was just we had a where we were living
at the time. Uh we had we were in an
apartment complex and there was this retired elderly gentleman that
used to come by and dig through the dumpsters and
get the cans out to take them and recycle them,
sell them for money. So our apartment manager said, hey, look,

(01:03:55):
you know, look this guy as old as dird. He
doesn't need to be digging through these mosters. Less everybody,
there's a He put a big, huge metal trash can
out by the swimming pool and the common area there
and he said, look, everybody, bring your cans out, dump
them in here, and I'll let the guy know instead
of having to dig through the trash cans, he can
just come drag this to his truck, dumps cans in

(01:04:17):
and what up. So everybody in the apartment complex started
saving the cans with the trash can man right. And
we had a you know the plastic grocery bags you get.
We took one of those and looped the handles over
a knob on our pantry in the hallway there, and

(01:04:38):
we would when we had ever we denty a can out,
we'd put it in the cansack. So when we started
doing that, the cans would rattle and move within the sack,
and I was like, okay, a mouse is in there.
A big cockroaches in there or something's in there. So

(01:04:59):
I would take out, I'd get the bag, open it up,
look down and it take the cans out one at
a time, shake them out, look at them. Nothing, next one,
shake it out, look in it. Nothing do that with
all the cans in there. Look in the sack. Nothing
in there. No mouse, no bugs, no, no nothing. So
I'm like, okay, put all the cans back in, hang
it back up. Cans and rattling clank, cans and rattling clank.

(01:05:21):
I'm like, ah, okay, this is somebody on the other
side saying, you know who I'm here. So it got
to the point that the where the bottom of the
bag was, it was like somebody would hit it and
you would literally see the bag jump and the cans
jump and fly up in the bag and then set

(01:05:43):
them back down. It was literally hit that hard. And
the whole family saw this. Everybody saw this. So the
kansack goes. So that's where the title came from, and
that story, and then there's additions to that, there's other
things to that in that particular chapter, but that's where
the title came wrong.

Speaker 6 (01:06:01):
That's amazing. It is, Yeah, that is amazing. So this,
this this ghost, this was just one that was already
in the place that she was living. It was already
in the house.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
It came, it didn't start any specific activity like that.
We put this the sack of the cans, and then
I decided, Oh, here's a here's a neat way for
me to communicate.

Speaker 6 (01:06:29):
That's interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
Yeah, yeah, a lot of fun, a lot of fun.

Speaker 4 (01:06:34):
So is there any maybe a story from it you
could tell us?

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
Let me tell you about this one tarot reading I
did this.

Speaker 4 (01:06:48):
This was just someone.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
This was a defining moment for me in so many ways.
I had I loved the taro ever since I was
about fifteen, maybe a little earlier. And I'm an artist
and a photographer, so I love the artwork of the tarot, colors.
Everything was just so appealing to me. And so I
got really into the tarot and I read a lot

(01:07:12):
of books and started doing readings for friends and family
and stuff, and it was like, you know, this is
an arsenal I would like to put in in my tool.
I'd like to put in my psychic arsenal that I
could get really good at, that I could do something
really good with this. But to do that I'm going
to have to study way more outside of what I've

(01:07:34):
been doing. And so I found this course and it
was by Tarot International tea period a Period, ART Period,
Old Period, T Period, Tarot International, and the acronym stood
for the Associated Readers of Tarot International, and it was
this international organization. And they promised that they would teach

(01:07:57):
you you and different methods and ways of interpreting and
using the Tarot. And it was like, okay, this is legit.
This I've got to do. And when you got through,
you got the degree of surf on Tarot Master. And
nobody masters anything. We don't master nothing, but I mean,
it was it was neat to have. So now this
is back in the days, kiddo's get ready for this.

(01:08:19):
No cellphones, no internet, no computers. Everything was done by
snail mail. So I built out the coupon and put
in my check address the envelope and set it off
and waited and here comes the first course in the mail.
So you take the first course and it all has
to be handwritten out, and they have this particular method

(01:08:44):
of teaching you to divine time frames and people's appearances
and this and the other, so and so forth. It was.
It was really wild, it was really good. So I
was enjoying this thing. So the first lesson you fill out,
you study, and you take a test on this lesson,

(01:09:04):
and the test is a real test. It's not like
what did we say on page one about the fool card?

Speaker 6 (01:09:10):
You know more than that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
It was like you had to take a real test
and really know gleaned from what they taught you how
to extrapolate this into you know, ongoing studying use of
the taro. So you took this test, sent it back
and snail mail waited, waited, waited. Here came a graded
test and then your next lesson and you had to
do this till you reach the end of the course.

(01:09:33):
When you reach the end of the course, you had
to do three long like like life reading type things
for three different people. Those people you had to write
down what cards came up in the reading, how you
interpreted them and why, and then the people that got
the reading had to say, yes, he was accurate with

(01:09:56):
these cards and his interpretations and it made sense to
me and it worked from me, blah blah blah, and
had to sign off on that. So you had to
go through all of that to get the degree. So
I did all of that. I aised every test, I
aised every reading, got my certified Taro master, and by
the time I was eighteen, I had started reading professionally
then and using the taro a lot. So there was

(01:10:17):
this one friend, these two friends I had, this man
woman lived together. They were friends of the family, and
I would go over to their house a lot, and
he was kind of like almost like a father figure
to me, and she was like super encouraging of my
psychic gifts. She had told me one time she had
seen like all the big name psychics in her time
and all this stuff. And this is not the brag
on me or Pavigio on me. I'm just telling you

(01:10:38):
what she said. She said, I've seen all of these people,
and I'm more interested in your development than in all
these other people I was seeing. So I was like, Okay,
I've got something here. I've got to be careful with,
I've got to work with, I've got a guard, I've
got a treasure. I've got to do this thing right.
So I would go over and do readings for her,
and he was a skeptic. He was polite to me,
nice to me, respected me, He was like, psychics readings

(01:11:02):
terrible to get out of here. I would do readings
for their friends and all this. So one time she
called me and she goes, come over. He wants a reading.
And I was like, what he wants a reading? I
was like, holy cow, okay. So I go over and
he said, I don't want to tell you my question

(01:11:22):
or talk to you or give me an input. I
said that's fine, that's fine. So I started doing the
reading and his eyes start bugging out and he looks
over at her and he goes, you swore you wouldn't
tell John. You swore you wouldn't tell John anything about
this before we did this reading. And she said I
didn't And he said, you swore you wouldn't tell She said,
I did not tell John anything about what you were

(01:11:43):
going to ask, what you want to know, or anything else.
And he looked at me and he said John, he said,
you know I love you, I respect you as my friend.
I'm believing you. And he said, I'm asking you gentlemen
to gentlemen, and on our relationship. You look me down
and tell me the truth. Did she tell you anything
about what I was going to ask about my situation?

(01:12:04):
Or whatever before you did the breading or before you
came over, or at any time. I said no, absolutely
not nothing. So went through with the breeding. So he
became pretty much a believer after that. So his son
lived in California and he called his son. He said, man,
you can't believe this. He said, you know, I've displead
this stuff all these years, but I got this reading

(01:12:25):
from this guy. I didn't know beans about what I
was going to ask get the nail on the head.
And his son's like, oh, Dad, you just got taken
by a skilled coal reader. The guy's a pony. There's
no such things. Side, there's no such things. Blah blah blah,
he said. And his son was coming to visit, so
he said, well, look, when you come to visit, let
this guy read for you and see what you think.
So sons like, okay. So the son gets there. I

(01:12:47):
go over and he's we're all sitting around the kitchen table,
which is right next to the kitchen. I had a
little small dining room in the kitchen off to the
side there. And the son looks up and he goes,
this is all he is. You're byes. Your tarot cards
will be yes. The whole damn thing is bys and
he said, I'll tell you what you do your little reading.

(01:13:09):
And he said, I'm not even going to sit here
with you. I'm going to get up and go into
the kitchen over there. And he said, I'm not going
to ask you any questions. I'm not going to answer
any questions from you. I'm not going to give you
any feedback. I'm not going to give you any facial expressions.
I'm going to sit their stoneface and you do your thing.
I said, you're the kind of client I like. And
that kind of threw me back. That he walks into

(01:13:31):
the kitchen as far away from me as he can get,
and he crosses his arms and he sits there like this.
I said, okay, So I do do his reading. And
I can't remember how long it lasted, maybe half an
hour or something like that. So I get through the reading.
I look over it and I go well, and he's
looking at me and he drops his head down to

(01:13:53):
the floor and he shakes his head and he looks
back up and he is, I don't know how the
hell you've done what you've done here tonight. But he said,
i'd have to give you almost one hundred percent accuracy
on every single thing you said. And he said, the
weird thing is, I haven't even talked to any of

(01:14:15):
this to any of my relatives, my friends, or even
my dad. My dad doesn't even know about these situations
that you've touched on in this reading. This has been
totally secret from everybody. I haven't touched on any of this.
And he said, I don't know how you've done what
you've done, but you're the real deal. And I apologize
for what I said earlier. And he came over, sat
down and shook.

Speaker 6 (01:14:34):
My hand and I was like, yes, yes, believe Yeah,
that was That was.

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
A really awesome moment. That was a really great time.

Speaker 4 (01:14:45):
You should have held the cards up and done a
mic drop and walked out. That would have been. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
But that was one of the things I write out
in the book. And then there's there's other funny moments
in there about things that happened during my readings and
reactions from people, misinterpretations from people, and just just some
comical things. So a lot of that's in there. Just
it's it's a book that covers like Martha C. Lawrence,

(01:15:20):
a friend of mine, wrote The Poor Report and like
she says, it's uh, part cosmic philosophy and part you know,
paranormal tales and everything. And there's things that I examined
from a spiritual or paranormal or psychic perspective and and

(01:15:40):
talk about like skeptics, for example. Uh, that's that's one
of the chapters in there. And I talk about the
Amazing Randy who was not a skeptic, he was a
cynic And uh, there's a there's a whole chapter on
the Amazing Randy in there, and not about skeptics and
cynicism and so on and so forth, and some of
the experiences there. So and all the books there's a

(01:16:01):
wide range of stories and experiences and lessons to be
learned and things to be enjoyed and things to be
lapped at and things to be astonished by.

Speaker 6 (01:16:14):
It.

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
Each book has its own tone, its own flavor, and
each thing. Each book has its own kind of its
own flow, in its own pace and its own feel.
Each the other side gives me things to kind of
group together in each book they kind of make sense
and kind of go together, and it had to has
its own kind of flow. So it's they're a joy

(01:16:37):
to write. I mean, writing is tough. You guys knows
that because you're writers, your authors, and you know it's
writing is tough, but it's very rewarding and it's a
lot of fun.

Speaker 5 (01:16:47):
It is.

Speaker 6 (01:16:48):
It's nice when you get, you know, someone that reads
it and then they're like, you know, I really enjoyed that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:54):
Yeah, I get it. Yeah, I enjoyed it.

Speaker 6 (01:16:56):
Yeah, and you're like, okay, you know, even if if
it's only one, it's nice. Try to tell everybody. What
helps us out more than anything is if you please
rate and review us on Amazon.

Speaker 2 (01:17:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:17:09):
Yeah, it helps more than anything.

Speaker 2 (01:17:11):
It does. And you know, the amazing thing is the
reviews I've gotten from some people over the years. It's like,
did you even read my book? What book are you
reviewing here? It's not mine. I had one review on

(01:17:32):
Amazon and I actually wrote to Amazon requests that they
take it down, and they did because the guy wrote
this scathing review of my book, the scathing assessment of
me personally, and gets to the end of his review
and says, now, while I admit I haven't read the book, nonetheless,

(01:17:58):
and so I said, look I wrote to was a
my said, look, somebody didn't like me. I'm think skin fine.
Somebody didn't like what all right, I'm think skin fine
to write this scathing bunk and admit that you haven't
even read my book. That's not a review, that's not
take this jump down. And they did. And I looked
this guy up, and that's what he did. That was

(01:18:21):
his whole life, was going around the various things and
just giving him crap reviews and just you know, just
tearing them down. It was like that was his thing.
So I always tell authors to be or even some
authors that have kind of lost hope and the little
boost or whatever it's like, Look, consider the source on

(01:18:41):
these reviews. And if the review is you know, boy,
look at this old John Russell on this YouTube and
he ain't got his teeth and he looks stupid and
he's dumb.

Speaker 6 (01:18:53):
And he's fat.

Speaker 2 (01:18:54):
Okay, great, but that's not a good review. That's not
a book review, and that's not even a mer review.
My physical appearance maybe okay, I don't think skinned I
can slept that off. But consider the source of the reviews.
And if you get ten reviews, that'd say, man, the
pacing of this book, I just I couldn't stand this.
If you get ten reviews like that. Okay, maybe it's

(01:19:15):
something to consider. If you get nine really great reviews
and one really lousy review, look at the lousy review
and consider the source, and it's consider if it even
makes sense. I had one one person left a review
and Amazon talking about writing with ghost angels and the
spirits of the dead. All this guy did was talk
about his motorcycles. I talked about one motorcycle, Melissa and

(01:19:40):
I gave several stories. Some of them didn't even relate
to Melissa or being on the bike or being associated
with the bike, but that was the review they left.
All this guy did was talk about his motorcycles. I
was like, you never even read the book, didn't.

Speaker 4 (01:19:55):
That reminds me of a story we were told yesterday.
We were over eating at every Body's Pizza rha it's
on the commercial are y. So he has this guy
come in, orders the steak sandwich and takes it back
out to his truck, takes a couple of bites of it.

(01:20:18):
I think it's what he said. A couple of bites
were took out of it, brings it back in, just
gives it down the road and blah blah blah. And
I know he Eddie didn't. You know, he's a nice guy.
He wouldn't say nothing else. He was probably trying to
give him his money back and everything else, but the
guy just wouldn't do it. And Eddie said, well, what

(01:20:41):
about the seven or he was thinking this, what about
the seventy steak sandwiches that were sold before you today?
And everybody liked him, but this one you didn't like exactly.

Speaker 6 (01:20:56):
You know. One of the complaints he said was that
he ordered a six inch and he's like, I don't
have a six inches and eight inches the smallest one.
And that was one of the things is that he
ordered a six inch and he got an eight inches.
May really, I mean, really, that makes no sense.

Speaker 4 (01:21:16):
My point is there are just a lot of people
out there that just yeah, got nothing better in the world,
but love to complain.

Speaker 2 (01:21:23):
They love to complain, They love to run people down.
I remember, back before YouTube started stopping, it's it's thumbs up,
thumbs down and comments things all that, before they did
away with that, I was I was so shocked. I
went on. There was this one I don't even remember

(01:21:45):
the band now, but I love music and I was
watching this YouTube video of this one band and I
like to scroll down to the comments and read what
people say, you know, and oh god, this was this
was what my father loved and we played it for
his view, whatever, this and the other. And I love
to read those comments, and I love to read out
people love the music in the bands, what an impact

(01:22:05):
it's made on their lives, what they were doing when
the song came out, so back in the day when
I was reading these things. And it's a little better now,
maybe not much, but it's a little better. But back then,
it was like I remember, I was watching this this
YouTube video of this band the song I love, and
I went down I started reading the comments, and one

(01:22:27):
of the comments was, oh god, this takes me back.
You know, my dad was alive. He loved this song
and we played it together and it was one of
the things that helped ease his passing on his diskbed.
And every time I hear this song, I think of
my dad. And I'm not exaggerating. There were like comment
after comment after comment under that comment replying to it

(01:22:49):
going like, you're an idiot, and I'm glad your father's dead,
and I hope you suffer from his death, and I
hope you heart and die. You know, who cares if
you love this song? The next one is like who
cares as if you love your dad? I'm glad he's gone.
I'm glad he's dead. I hope you were. And it
was like, my god, are you serious? Are you I'm
like that? And I was like, where do these people

(01:23:11):
come from? What is wrong with these people? You know?
When I see people do this to authors, I see
him do it to musicians. I see you know, it's
like it's like crazy. So it's like you say, some
people have nothing better to do than just be a
jerk and get out there and control people. It's like, yeah, whatever,
So whatever you're going through, you know, take the encouragement

(01:23:32):
and take the criticism with a big grain of salt.

Speaker 6 (01:23:35):
Yes, yeah, I have a question about when you're giving
out your you know, when you're doing readings and stuff
like that for people. We've had it happen a couple
of times. The wife and I were somewhere and the
wife was getting a reading, but I was right there.
I wasn't the one getting the reading right. She was

(01:23:57):
the one getting the reading right. The reading came across
for me. And this has happened on more than one occasion,
I told her, I said, I promise, next time we
get you a reading, I want to go walk somewhere
so I'm not around it. That's weird how it seems
to happen.

Speaker 2 (01:24:13):
It does happen, Yeah, and I do. There's I've never
read for like families or couples or anything like that.
And the main reason is, just like you say, for that,
you know, something can come through for you that hogs
the reading. That was they were hoping they were going

(01:24:33):
to get the information. And also another thing is that
there's a lot of times, and I'm not saying like
infidelity or anything illegal or anything like that, we have
private things in our lives and there are things we
don't always share with our spouses or friends or whatever
that we like to keep secret. And so I always
told couples, I said, I won't read for the two

(01:24:55):
of you together because something may come through for this
person that they don't want the other person knowing.

Speaker 8 (01:25:02):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:25:03):
It was like, oh, I pose nude for Playboy because
I needed money in college and they've never told him that.
They don't want to tell him that, and I might
pick that up, and I don't, you know, I don't
want that interfering with anything. So I never would read
for a couple or two people, two friends or anything
like that. And there was this one time that I

(01:25:27):
had read per a friend of the family, and she
was just blown away. She was just gobsmag. She was like,
oh my god, you got to read for my daughter.
I'm going to buy reading for my daughter. And okay,
and she said, can I come with my daughter from
the reading? And I never ever did that, and I've
never done it since. For some odd reason, I said, yeah, okay,
And it's good that I did, because I'm sitting there,

(01:25:48):
I'm reading per daughter. And one of the things I
tell her daughter about this guy that she's interested in,
I said, listen, if you want to really connect with
this guy, you've got to understand one thing about this guy.
He's not a side guy. He could never sit behind
a desk. He's not a suit and tie guy. He's
got to be outside. He's got to be active, he's
got to be moving. And she goes, oh, no, no,

(01:26:09):
you're completely wrong. I said yeah. She said, yeah, he
could never sit inside and a suit and tie behind
a desk. He's got to be outside. And I looked
at her mother was my jaw dropping. Her mother looked
at me with her jaw dropping. Her mother looked at
her and said, that's what Chin just said.

Speaker 6 (01:26:27):
Oh you did.

Speaker 2 (01:26:30):
Holy in that case, it was good she was there.
It was it was like funny. But yeah, weird, weird
things happen in readings.

Speaker 6 (01:26:40):
That's that's crazy. But yeah, it's happened a bunch. The wife.
You know, we've got several tarot decks and.

Speaker 2 (01:26:49):
And occasionally tarot deck poor.

Speaker 6 (01:26:52):
Yes, we've got a the wife has a what is it?

Speaker 4 (01:26:57):
What is the other?

Speaker 6 (01:26:58):
Instead of a regular tarot deck, it's a something oracleracle deck, Yes,
an oracle deck. Yeah, and we've never really messed with
the oracle deck any yet. It's setting the drawer still.

Speaker 2 (01:27:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:27:14):
I even went out and got me a deck, did you. Yeah,
But it's got all explanations on the card, so if
you pull a card, you can actually read it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:26):
But that'll that'll get you going, but that won't make
you a reader.

Speaker 4 (01:27:30):
Yeah. It was a beginner's yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:27:32):
Because at some point you've got to go with your
intuition and what that card is telling you.

Speaker 4 (01:27:37):
Yeah, you know, and the uh.

Speaker 2 (01:27:40):
In my book Twenty Ways to Increase your psychic abilities.
I've got how to begin to learn to read the tarot,
but down the road, you've got to learn to connect
with that card and in the context of that reading
with that person, that one same card is going to
have a different meaning with this person than it does
with that person. And then there's all kinds of weird

(01:28:01):
things that are going to happen. I remember one time
I was doing a terror reading for this friend of
mine and this particular deck I used. This character that
came up that represented the person she was seeing. Had
a helmet with horns on it, like you know, a
biking in the water that we stereotype. So I'm looking

(01:28:21):
at this thing. I'm looking at this thing. I'm looking
at this card and I'm like, this is this is
freaking me out. And she goes what I said, there's
there's something with this card that I just and I
had described her the guy she was dating. I described
him accurately, I described his personality, all of that. I'm
seeing these horns and it's just I just can't get

(01:28:42):
connected with this thing. And she's like, well, what what
is it? And I said, Okay, the card that I'm
looking at has this character and he's wearing this helmet
with horns, but the horns look like teeth to me
instead of horns. And she started laughing and she just
she could containerslf. She's like laughing and laughing, and I'm

(01:29:02):
like what. When she finally catches her breath, she goes
the guy's a dentist. The guy I'm dating as a dentist.
So you got to learn to look for the subtleties.
You got to learn to interpret things. You got to
learn that the death card here means a literal death,

(01:29:23):
The death card over here means a passing away of
something that needs to pass away. The death card over
here means something entirely different, you know. So you have
to learn that comes through practice, training, experience, further study
and so on and so forth.

Speaker 5 (01:29:37):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:29:38):
Yeah, I've I've dabbled with it for for years and years,
and then I kind of did a way. I stopped
doing it for a while. And here lately, I say lately,
but the last few years we've we've got kind of
back into it again. My wife had a a mishap
about two years ago and I was still driving. It

(01:30:02):
might have been three years ago, but I think it
was about two years ago. I was still driving on
the truck at the time, and she calls me and
she's bawling and uh, and she's like, you're going to
think I'm crazy and everything, and and I'm like, no,
I mean you, you know as far as you know
the paranormal stuff that I've seen my whole life and everything.

(01:30:24):
I said, you you already know that I'm not going
to think that whatever you're going to tell me is
going to be crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:30:29):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:30:30):
And she had been opening herself up a lot, doing
a lot more meditating, and she was messing with the
cards a lot at that time. And she was in bed,
sleeping or taking a nap. I don't remember exactly which one,
but it was one of the other, and a man's

(01:30:53):
She could feel a man, like the breath on her
ear and everything, and a guy talking to her. I
forgot exactly. It was something about don't use the bulls
or something, and I think I was talking about like
the singing bowls, was talking about numb or something, and
but it was so real and she could feel the

(01:31:14):
breath and everything on her that it scared her. And
she stopped all of that for for over a year.
And she thought she was going crazy, and I told her,
I said, look, I said, the first thing you're doing,
I said, and I get it, but I don't because
I've never had to deal with it. I guess because
I said, you're you're trying to use your rational mind

(01:31:35):
to rationalize something that is not rational.

Speaker 2 (01:31:38):
Exactly.

Speaker 6 (01:31:39):
You try to put this in in irrational terms when
when there's nothing rational about it, you know, and you're
going to drive yourself crazy by doing.

Speaker 2 (01:31:46):
That to be understood an entirely different way.

Speaker 6 (01:31:49):
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, And it scared the you know
what out of her.

Speaker 2 (01:31:55):
I've had so many clients called me that began the
reading with on You're my last hope before I checked
myself into the looney bind. I've been told all their
life these things aren't real, they can't happen, and then
all of a sudden they're having these physical, paranormal manifestations
and they're like, I guess I've gone nuts. And so

(01:32:16):
I've had to tell those people, Look, this is the
reality of this world. We have this other dimension that
exists with us, that exists beside us. It breaks through,
it comes through, we connect with it. So you're just
experiencing this awakening you know.

Speaker 6 (01:32:32):
Right, Yeah, trying. I've been trying to ease her back
into it.

Speaker 2 (01:32:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:32:37):
We started doing you know, at least a couple of
times a week, we're doing readings and stuff like that. Yep. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:32:47):
So when you get these, when you do these readings,
do you have like spirit guides.

Speaker 2 (01:32:55):
I've got spirit guides, I've got guardian angels. I've got
intelligences and beings and energies I don't know who or
what they are. And I've got deceased low ones coming
through all these things that give me information for people.
And I always tell people, I say, look, and I
put this on my website. I say, I'm not going
to guarantee your happiness or your satisfaction with the reading,

(01:33:16):
because I'm not going to tell you what you want
to hear. I may give you information in a way
that you don't want to receive it or don't want
to hear it, but I'm going to give you the
unfiltered truth that the other side gives to me for you,
because they can see brother down the road than we can,
and they know things that we don't. And there's been
so many times in my readings that I have given

(01:33:37):
people information they've said, nope, nope, nope, no, John, You're
totally wrong. That can't happen. That can't be And then
they'd call me back weeks from months or whatever later
and go, dang, it happen exactly like you said it would.
It's like, you know, the people on the other side
can see a lot from the down the road than
we can. So we have to learn to accept that
and believe that and deal with that. Right.

Speaker 4 (01:33:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:34:00):
Now, have you noticed, like in a lot of your
readings and stuff, do you get more from places that
aren't in the in the South, I will say, out
of the Bible Belt than you do in the Bible Belt.

Speaker 2 (01:34:16):
It's pretty much been all over. You know. I've had
people that were scientologists and wickens and I've hadn't read
for rabbis and I've read her you know, I've read
for FBI agents. I've read for people from all walks
of life, from everywhere, and all of us were forty
countries now over forty countries, and that absolutely blows my mind.

Speaker 4 (01:34:39):
It's just amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:34:41):
Are you kidding me? Over forty countries and it's just
been just been incredible. So people from all walks of life,
people from all over the world, literally, and it just
there's as many Bible Belt people as there are other people.
You know that there's some people that just don't go
whole hog with a go to a psychic can you're

(01:35:02):
going to Hell thing, and so they come and get
their readings.

Speaker 6 (01:35:05):
You know that's crazy. Because we put out in a
local Facebook host to some of our local towns around
here about, hey, you know, we're looking to do some
uh some paranormal investigations. Do you have a place, do
you know a place, can you recommend a place? You know,

(01:35:27):
just all these things, and I don't know, at least
a quarter of the answers back on it. Some of them,
a lot of them are pretty helpful and telling us
different places or stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:35:42):
But and the rest are you're going to hell and
you're possessed by demons all of that.

Speaker 6 (01:35:49):
And oh, you know, there was one that was that
was just the funniest one that I read. And I
didn't even I don't even bother anymore trying to rebuttal
just say anything because it ain't even work. But she
was like, she was like, Oh, you're going to conjure
up demons and all this other and I'm just like, oh, yeah,

(01:36:09):
here we are with demons again.

Speaker 2 (01:36:11):
Yep, here we are. Yep. That's crazy. And I've encountered
that over the years. And then I've had oh I
got to get a new chair. This is a torture
to us. I've had people over the years. I remember this.
There's all these pony psychics and con artists and things

(01:36:32):
that take advantage of people and mess with people. And
this one client I had, he got involved with this
shady pony psychic and she told him blah blah blah
blah blah blah, and she told him about me, don't
do any more readings with this guy, because he is
an ancient demon that has followed you and cursed you

(01:36:54):
through all of your re incarnations and he's here now
to mislead you, lead you astray and all this. And
I was like, oh, my holy God, are you kidding me?
So this guy tells me this and says, I can't
get readings with you anymore. And I said, look, mark
my words and just listen to me and remember them

(01:37:14):
at some point, remember them and act on them, because
this woman is a charlatan and a fraud and a phony,
and she's after whatever she can get out of you,
primarily money, whatever else, control or whatever. And so no, no, no,
you're this demon that's followed me forever and she's speaking
the truth and I'm free from you at last and
all this. So a few months down the road, you.

Speaker 6 (01:37:39):
Know, I've never really met an ancient demon. Nice to
meet you.

Speaker 2 (01:37:42):
Nice to meet you. So he calls me down the
road and he goes, John, you were one hundred percent
right about her, and she was one hundred percent wrong
about you, and I was one hundred percent wrong about you.
And everything you that told me has come to pass
and says, so you were who you say you are

(01:38:02):
and for somebody who claims to be a psychon, that's
a pretty good record. And I apologize. So but yeah, okay,
um hm h h h yes, see like that out there,

(01:38:29):
and oh my god, it's just it's it's just nuts
the stuff you go do this where you go now
you lost me? There you go, Okay, you're back lost.

Speaker 6 (01:38:46):
You started kind of going.

Speaker 2 (01:38:54):
That. You know, I've experienced these things over the years,
and I'll look in the the chace of some of
the interviews I do on YouTube and people are like,
all this guy to see by the devil. He's doing
what he does, the gifts of the Devil, and he said,
oh my god, we're still there after all these years.

(01:39:15):
It's like, oh yeah, so yeah, it gets pretty it is.
It is sad. It is really sad, you know, because
we have people condemning each other in the name of
some religion that doesn't even work. And you know, every
religion approves its own internal paranormal manifestations and condemns external

(01:39:40):
paranormal manifestations of another religion. So your religion says, okay, okay,
this can happen, and it's okay. But if it happens,
it's out here systemonic, right, yeah, yeah, yep, if it

(01:40:06):
happens in the realm of the form whatever.

Speaker 6 (01:40:21):
Yeah, oh can you can you say this.

Speaker 4 (01:40:29):
Hope? He throws up.

Speaker 2 (01:40:32):
Mmmm mm hm hm hm hmm.

Speaker 4 (01:40:38):
I think it might be something paranormal coming through.

Speaker 5 (01:40:41):
I think, yeah, back, so it's it's yeah, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:40:55):
Okay, it's it's weird.

Speaker 6 (01:41:01):
I think there's something that doesn't like you talking about
that subject. Every time you start talking about that is
like we're right back to it again. Hello, hello, hello.

Speaker 2 (01:41:15):
Uh oh.

Speaker 6 (01:41:18):
There it is.

Speaker 4 (01:41:19):
Yeah, He'll be back on here in a minute connection.

Speaker 6 (01:41:23):
So we'll just do a little bit of this while
he's gone do a little bit of that. Just let
everybody know. You know, we still have our book East
Tennessee Hauntings of Lord Edition too. All right, that's still there,
and our new book right here. You won't be able

(01:41:44):
to see the words because it's green and Marna green screen.
But as a comprehensive guide to paranormal investigations, that's what
that whole part right here says A new book just out,
so definitely, uh, you know, take a look at it. Ah,
there he is.

Speaker 2 (01:42:02):
Wow, that was weird.

Speaker 6 (01:42:05):
I was saying before you, before you got uh got
all the way away, I was like, it didn't like
whatever it was you was saying, and they was like cutting.

Speaker 2 (01:42:14):
I think, so, I think that's wild. That's wild. I've
experienced a lot of paranormal influence and interference over the
years with a lot of things, and particularly coming from me,

(01:42:35):
just just the energy that I have. There were multiple
times I couldn't use Devin the cards or credit cards
or whatever. We go to the grocery store and I
put it through the scanner ten times and it wouldn't work.
My wife would go here, give it here, you should
put it through the first time and it would work.
So those energies are working their energies from the other
side working. There's there's all kinds of things. But yeah,

(01:42:56):
that that seemed to be a point of contention with
somebody out there.

Speaker 6 (01:42:59):
Yes, something didn't like whatever was going on. They're like, oh,
shut up.

Speaker 2 (01:43:05):
Yeah, yeah, let's shut this up. You know. It's it's
funny because it's it's difficult to achieve that spiritual unity
between different pace systems and different blief systems. And it's
really difficult because the main function of any basic bleef
system is we're right and you're wrong, and if I

(01:43:28):
can sort with you, I'm either going to go to
Hell or get punished by God or become a jackal
in a future life or whatever. And so that fear
keeps us from you know, uniting, working together, exploring each
other's belief systems. So it's.

Speaker 6 (01:43:44):
All that far off, you know. I like to say
that I think all I will say most religions touch
on pieces of the truth. But until we go to
the next to we lead to we shed this meat

(01:44:05):
suit that we're in and we're we're off onto that
next journey. Then we're going to know the truth.

Speaker 2 (01:44:13):
Then we're going to know that, we're going to know
exactly what it's like because we get, even with our
best gifts and our best perceptions and our best everything,
we get little glimpses and pieces of it over on
this side, and we can put together a fairly accurate picture,
but not a complete picture. Right, And you're you're exactly right.

(01:44:33):
When we get there, when we shuffle off this moral
coil and we get there, then we're going to understand
the next stage of the game. We're going to understand
the next step. So that's exactly right. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:44:45):
Yeah, it's just this feeling I've had my whole life,
you know, And that's why I've at a very young age,
I stopped going to church because I felt that that
what it is trying to teach me actually the control
mechanism that's built into it. It's at a very young age,

(01:45:07):
I was like, this just doesn't seem right.

Speaker 1 (01:45:10):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:45:10):
I've known people that they changed their diets because their
pastor told them that certain foods were you know, sinful
or bad or whatever. This and the other people have
changed their lifestyles in ridiculous ways and ridiculous things, and
you know, giving up ridiculous amounts of money to these

(01:45:34):
people that they couldn't afford and were promised to all
these miracles and things, and of course that never happened.
And it amazes me that we can just sit and
convince ourselves over and over and over. Oh, ain't God good?
You know it's like you can't pay your bills, your
health is shot, But ain't God good? It's like, well no,

(01:46:01):
But we have to do in all our spiritual religious experience, research, craving, earning, whatever,
we have to be honest. We have to apply the truth. Yes,
And you know, if somebody is saying, oh, come come
to my belief system and we can help you and
we can heal you and we can you can make

(01:46:22):
money and prosper and all that. Okay, and you tried
it didn't work, Well, it's a lie. It's not true,
you know. And most things out there. I never made
guarantees to people. I never make promises to people because
you can't. And if you're going to be honest, you
know you can. And like I told you, guys, you know,
there's so many things. The older I get, the more

(01:46:44):
I've studied, the more I've experienced, the more questions I
have rather than answers. I've got some pretty good answers.
I can get you down the road, and I can
keep you from the fakes and the ponies and the frogs,
and I can give you good, solid, practical advice and
predictions for your life. But there's so much that I
don't know that I wish I did. And we're all
of the boat and that's what we have to come

(01:47:04):
together and try and fix. And we can't do it
if we're hurt each other's throats because well, you're a psychic,
I'm a Baptist, I'm a Presbyterian. Well i'm a spiritualist one.
We can't do that, you know, we can't have those
separations in those divisions. I was asked to be on
a radio show one time, and it was specifically a

(01:47:26):
pagan radio show, the Pagan religion. And they asked me,
they said, are you pagan? I said, well, I identify
with and probably practice many beliefs that could be described
as pagan or whatever, but no, I'm not officially a Pagan.
They wouldn't have me on the show because I wasn't
a pagan. Wow, even though I had had more paranormal

(01:47:51):
experiences in one year that they had had in their
lifetimes put together. But never mind that I wasn't a pagan.

Speaker 4 (01:47:57):
So by god, you're not on Yeah, so good.

Speaker 2 (01:48:03):
So it exists in all corners, and it's one of
the things that we still have to work against and
overcome and trying to feed. And it's it's crazy, it's nuts.

Speaker 6 (01:48:13):
Do you think that that's part of the agenda though,
the division, to be able to say, to be able
to try to keep people divided by saying, you know, hey, I.

Speaker 2 (01:48:22):
Do, yeah, I do. I think that's part of the division.
I think that's part of what's going on out there.
And you know, we look at our country and how
divide it it is now. And you know, if you're
a Democrat, you're a child sacrificing, child leading demon And
if you're a Republican, you hate all people and you

(01:48:43):
want the next hip or death camps to arise. And
if you're this, you're that, and if you're this or that,
and it's like, you know, we got to stop doing
this because this is leading us to our own ruin
and destruction because we won't just sit down and be
calm people like say, hey, I know my neighbor. My
neighbor is a good guy. He any like that, He

(01:49:04):
ain't doing that. You know, we have to look at
our shared and common humanity. We have to stop having
knee jerk reactions to things, not only the political realm,
but the spiritual realm. You know, Oh you're doing this
when you're consorting with the devil, You're going to hell.
You know, We've got to stop having those knee jerk reactions.

(01:49:24):
And we got to have some respect for each other,
some compassion for each other, some kindness for each other.
That's one of the things I try and write in
my books, Nostalgia, compassion, spirituality, love, and looking at things
from a perspective of hey, you know, let's don't take
something and beat it to death and flog it to

(01:49:46):
death when we can't prove it and it doesn't work.
Let's look at some genuine things that do work, and
what we can learn from those, how we can extrapolate
those into our lives, to other people's lives, to make
our lives better, to get a little bit more spiritual life,
to come together and be more loving and passionate with
each other.

Speaker 6 (01:50:05):
I had a guy on on the internet one time
tell me that he that if I have any questions
in any of the people that follow us on our
Facebook or anything, have any questions, he has all the answers,
and that we that everybody needs to talk to him,

(01:50:27):
and that I needed to just talk to him. And
it all stemmed around, you know, me seeing ghosts. And
someone asked me a question about something and I told them,
and uh and and he he when he said that,
I was like, Okay, look, I believe in all this stuff.
I see ghosts. I have always seen ghosts, I said,

(01:50:49):
I believe in it, I said, But the first time
someone tells me that they have all the answers, I'm
not drinking the kool aid.

Speaker 4 (01:50:57):
And I'm not.

Speaker 6 (01:51:00):
You know, I'm done.

Speaker 2 (01:51:00):
Because it's like, exactly right, nobody, nobody has the answers.
And over the years, and you'll excuse me for squirming around,
I become a torture to us. But the Iron Maid
I've read professionally for over fifty years, red for Colonson
over forty countries. My clients have given me the feedback

(01:51:23):
that my accuracy rating for my insights into their lives
and my predictions for their futures are eighty to ninety
percent accurate. Now, I mean that's pretty good.

Speaker 6 (01:51:36):
But look, that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:51:38):
If let's take the hind number, Let's take ninety percent.
If I'm getting ninety percent, that means I'm getting nine
out of ten. Right, I'm missing one. For every ten
issues or questions or whatever you have in your life,
that one can be a big event. That one that
falls through the crack can be a big, huge thing.
So you know there's nobody out there that has all

(01:51:59):
the answers, that there's nobody out there that has everything.
But when you look for a reading, when you look
for guidance, you want to look for somebody that's going
to point you in the right direction of the right tools,
with the honesty to get you going forward in ways
that will help your life and not take away or
decrease from your life. And you have to look for

(01:52:20):
things when you go for a reading. Don't go for
someone that charges an outrageous amount of money. Don't go
for someone that promises you they can deliver certain results,
because there's nobody out there on the planet the camp
if they would, why would they be messing with you?
They'd be offering in the lottery, buying a big boat
and saving off with a bunch of pretty women or whatever.

(01:52:43):
You have to understand when you're looking for these things,
you have to look honestly. You have to look with
common sense. You have to look for people that don't
offer to you know, I get so disgusted all these ads.
They're in the religious realm, they're in the spiritual paranormal cycle.
You know, sister so and so guarantees to solve all

(01:53:04):
your problems. You know, brother so and so has got
the potion that will bring you wealth and all the no,
that does not exist. It is not out there. I
can't do it. They can't do it. Nobody can do it.

Speaker 6 (01:53:18):
A lot of attraction states that you have to put
in the work too, So there is no magic.

Speaker 2 (01:53:24):
You know. There's an old saying that the medicine man
may have given you a charm, but he didn't tell
you to lie down and sleep in the middle of
the crossroads.

Speaker 4 (01:53:34):
That's right, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:53:36):
So we all understand that we have our our part
to doing this, and it's it's sometimes hard work, it's
sometimes confusing work. It's sometimes not easy, but you know,
and always tell my clients, look when you go to
get a psychic reading. You checked this psychic out, You've
got their references, You've got their testimonials, all this. I've
got over eighty client testimonials on my page. I've got

(01:53:58):
media testimonials on my page. John Russell dot Net. Go there,
and when you check this out of you say, well,
this person sounds like that may be help to me.
Keep an open mind, but be reasonable if you don't
connect with that person emotionally, intellectually, if there's no chemistry there.
Even if they give me a good reading but there's

(01:54:19):
no chemistry, you say, well, yeah, the reading was pretty good,
but I just don't like this person. Go somewhere else,
find a different psychic. If the person tells you things
that you absolutely cannot relate to, and none other predictions
come true, none other insids are accurate, you know you're
in the wrong place. You know, find someone else. But

(01:54:40):
the greatest thing I like people to do, it's like
when they get my book Twenty Ways to Increase your
Psychic Abilities. I like people to connect with the other
side directly themselves and learn how to do this themselves,
and learn how to get this input in this guidance
and this teaching for themselves, you know. And it's like, well,
John does not take away from your income. Well, but

(01:55:00):
my incomes loudly to begin with, you're all the well, look,
I charge a reasonable rate for one and number two,
nobody gets riched me in a psychic unless you're John
Edward and your own TV and you got New York
Times best selling books and blah blah blah. That's why
my wife tells me I'm the worst businessman on the
entire planet. There are people that have called me and
said and paid me and said I've got to have

(01:55:23):
this reading for this situation. And I were funded their
money and said, no, you don't need a reading. You
need to do this thing right now, and go do
that and they'll take care of that and then down
the road if you really need something coming. And my
wife said, my god, you're the worst businessman on the planet.
I sleep good at.

Speaker 6 (01:55:39):
Night right right, I've got something that the wife and
I are trying to maybe plan on doing, and uh,
maybe I need to come and get a get a
reading from you.

Speaker 2 (01:55:52):
So there you go.

Speaker 4 (01:55:57):
I used to get my readings one nine under numbers.
I mean, you're talking about some crazy stuff now, Oh
my God, those.

Speaker 2 (01:56:08):
Are the those. Remember, you know nobody there is authentic.
You know nobody there is is. Yeah, that's the one.

Speaker 6 (01:56:16):
If they ask you fifty questions, don't.

Speaker 4 (01:56:18):
They dollar not in a minute?

Speaker 6 (01:56:20):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (01:56:21):
Yeah, I keep longer they can keep you the more
they make. Yeah, who wasn't able to make them to
make an accent? Was fake?

Speaker 5 (01:56:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:56:31):
Yeah she didn't she Oh she she got.

Speaker 2 (01:56:36):
Busted somehow she got now. So it's so there's a
lot out there. But I always tell they say, look,
just because it can be fake doesn't mean that the
real doesn't exist, right, And you have to get through
all this funniness, and you have to get through all
these cams, and you have to get through all this
stuff to get to the point where Okay, now I'm

(01:56:56):
now I'm getting something. Now I'm discovering something and it
doesn't come through dogma, tradition, ritual, religion, whatever, following a Guru.
In my upcoming book next year, twenty more Ways to
increase yours, like the abilities, that's one of the first
things I talk about. You don't need a guru, you
don't need a spiritual leader, you don't need a spiritual teacher,

(01:57:17):
you don't need a group. You need to go to
the source. You need to go the other side and say, okay, here,
I am teach me. And that's what I did my
whole life. It's like, okay, here, I am teach me.
Show me what works and what doesn't, show me what's
real and what isn't. And if you're willing to do that,
you'll discover it. But if you blindly subscribe to a religion,
a theory, a dogma, a tradition, a ritual, whatever, you'll

(01:57:41):
be lost forever. You will forever be stumbling around the
dark because you're not going to find the truth that way.
It doesn't exist that way.

Speaker 6 (01:57:48):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (01:57:50):
Yeah, well we got about two minutes left. If you
want to tell everybody where they can find your works,
and yeah, your website if.

Speaker 2 (01:58:02):
They'll go to all of these reporting services that go
to a longer website name, so it's just easier to
do John Russell dot net. That'll take you to my
website for my readings, and you can read my client testimonials,
my media testimonials, my experience about me, my podcast experiences

(01:58:23):
are all linked to there. So John Russell dot net. Now,
if you want to find out more about the books
I published. It's John russellauthor dot com. John Russell author
dot com. And that'll take you to a page where,
like you say, all my book awards I wanted there,
Commentaries are there about the books, endorsements, reviews, word about

(01:58:45):
the books. The books are available online at all major booksellers, Amazon,
Barnes and Noble Books, a million, Apple Books, and even
Walmart and Target carry most of my books. The Powell
Books of the big online bookstore, they carry my book
so you can get them everywhere online. So go where
your favorite book store is. Get the books. You're gonna
enjoy them. You're gonna read them. You're gonna laugh, you're

(01:59:07):
gonna cry, you're gonna get chills. You're gonna read them
like anything you've ever read before. I've had a lot
of people over the years, including editors, editorial people from
different companies, tell me this is unlike anything on the planet.
There's nothing else like this out there. So these are
things you're gonna enjoy.

Speaker 4 (01:59:27):
Thank you, Yeah, thanks for coming for coming on listen.

Speaker 2 (01:59:30):
Thanks you guys. I appreciate you so much. This has
been a blast. I always enjoy talking with you guys.
We have a great time and we'll do it again
down the road.

Speaker 4 (01:59:39):
Absolutely absolutely all right, thanks everybody for watching and listening,
and uh yes, thank you. We'll see you next time.
Have you ever wondered what lurks in the shadows, what
secrets the night hide.

Speaker 6 (02:00:00):
Yeah,

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