Shadows of the South Mountains_ Talking Cryptids with Jerry Millwood_ Jr

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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Cre Van through the midnight Haye season, Shadows in the
darkest Mays, foot step second in the empty hall, mysteries.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
We know.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
Big Foot stopping through the pies, Alien send.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
A secret sience e VP's in the day of night.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
Ghost is in in the pill Mo light.

Speaker 4 (00:44):
Don't know before what we bring it to?

Speaker 1 (00:46):
Your truth behind the veil got up?

Speaker 3 (00:48):
All right, all right, hello everybody, Welcome to the show,
Saturday Night Show.

Speaker 4 (00:57):
I hope everybody enjoyed our Thursday not Live. That was
pretty fun. Yeah, that was in rocks and stuff thrown
at us.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
Yeah, I even't caught a miss on the camera. I
gotta put that out sometime.

Speaker 4 (01:11):
I'll tell you that was What was weird is that
at one point, you know, we're sitting there and Jason
is like, David, can you see your breath?

Speaker 5 (01:20):
And so I go like.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
No.

Speaker 4 (01:25):
But when we watched back before, you've seen this mist
come up. And then he kind of pans over the
camera a little bit and then right in front of
the camera, this mist just comes up.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
Yeah, it was interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:42):
That thing was after Hey, Jason Finch.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
That thing was after me. Whatever it was on rocks
at me and everything. It was crazy, but hey, we
got a great show tonight. We got Jerry Millwood Junior
from NCI North Carolina Investigates. Will be a good show.

Speaker 4 (01:57):
Yeah, you know, we met him and and all the
guys at NCI when we was at the Bigfoot Festival
there in Townshend And I'll tell you he was an
awesome guy and really appreciated him coming over and be
yes and with this matter of fact, there was time

(02:18):
you don't really get to see it on the camera. Well, yeah,
you do a little bit during that where the everything
was trying to blow away and he was over there
actually holding holding our tent down for us while we
was in the middle of doing was talking to Greg
at the time.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
Wasn't we I think?

Speaker 4 (02:36):
And so yeah, so he was over there helping us
hold the tent down. So that was awesome.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
Yeah, we met a lot of great people over that year.

Speaker 4 (02:44):
Last year, we're gonna get to see quite a few
of them. Come January thirty first at the premiere of
The Vanishing.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
Yeah, premiere Greg Ogula cryptid Or Relic Films got a
new film out, yeah called The Vanished, going to premiere
it in January. We're going to it.

Speaker 4 (03:03):
Yeah, we're going just to go.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
Think Jerry's going to be speaking at it. Yes, Em
and some of his n c I team. But Jerry,
he's a cryptied and bigfoot investigator from the South Mountains
of western North Carolina. Now following his retirement, he began
actively researching the unexplained Appalachian phenomena he encountered on his

(03:28):
own property. He's an investigator with North Carolina Investigates n
CI for short and chairs his personal sightings and field
research on his YouTube channel called Rebels Dark Tales of Appalachian.

Speaker 4 (03:45):
Yeah, that's good. It's a good channel, it is for sure.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
So we're gonna bring my own mister Jerry Millwood.

Speaker 5 (03:54):
Hey, Jerry, Hey doing do buddy.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
Doing good. It's good to be here. Thank you for
your kind words. I felt a bond with the moment
that I met you.

Speaker 4 (04:04):
Yeah, yeah, I felt the same way.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
It was.

Speaker 4 (04:07):
It was awesome.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
It is. It's fun getting out and meeting new people,
especially people with the like mind and you know, open
minds that it just seems to mesh.

Speaker 4 (04:19):
Yeah, yes, absolutely, yeah, you know, I guess the first
question that most people usually will ask is you know
what got you into the cryptids? But you know, you
even talk about some some paranormal too. But what got
you into all.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
This, Well, I'll tell you. Before there was Bigfoot. For me,
there was paranormal stuff. I don't know. When I was
five or six, I didn't want Superman comics or Batman
comics for whatever reason. Don't know where it came from.
But I wanted the horror comics, Ghosts and Secrets of

(05:00):
Haunted House and all those classic nineteen seventies horror comics
when I would go to the Scholastic book fair at school.
I've actually still got some of my books, The Pair
of Normal. Yeah, these are old because I got them
when I was a kid. But I had an interest

(05:20):
in that. My mom used to sneak and let us
stay up to watch the zombie movies, and I was
like seven years old, so she warped me from the beginning.
But it was Legend of Boggy Creek that that was
the initial thing that caught my interest. Being a kid

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raised in the country. You know, all the kids in
the seventies that saw that movie was fascinated by it,
but especially you know, if you could relate to it
because you were raised in the woods. My grandgrandfather took
me to see that movie, and I definitely developed an interest,
and I don't know it came in when you know,
during the seventies Bigfoot, there was a lot of talk

(06:03):
about Bigfoot, and then here in the South Mountains nineteen
seventy eight, in the nineteen seventy nine there were a
lot of sightings that made the ap wire that went worldwide,
and that was big news. Even though I didn't grow
up right here at the South Mountains. When I was
a kid, it was the talk of the town. But
as I as I became a teenager, I kind of

(06:24):
lost interest. And then I was stationed at Fort Bragg
and I went by the library one day and I
happened to find a book called the Bigfoot Casebook. And
in that Bigfoot Casebook I found started looking up the
sightings that was in and around my part of North Carolina.
There was actually some from the hometown where my mother

(06:45):
was living at the time, so that was more kind
of got my interest. I watched some of the other
movies from the seventies later, you know, rent them from
the from the video tape store there on Post. But
it was always it was was totally a thing basically
for entertainment. I was entertained by it. I was fascinated

(07:06):
by it. But it was all about entertain and that
would change. In August of twenty seventeen, my wife and
I had moved here to the South Mountains area, an
area where I had ken that had left that area
to go to work in textile mills down around Gastonia,

(07:27):
North Carolina, bastment city in North Carolina. So we came back.
We completed the circle. I had to get back out
to the country before I lost my mind even more
than I'd already lost. Right, we had some experiences, guys.
I found tree breaks height in these woods. I found
a lot of tree breaks. Now I honestly didn't know

(07:47):
what a tree break was at the time, but the
more I saw, the more I said, well, this is
just not random thing. I The thought crossed my head
was somebody going around breaking these trees, but that that
didn't make sense because these trees were big enough, you
know that, to break them over while they're alive, and
you can tell by the splintered wood that takes a

(08:09):
tremendous amount of force. I happened to be watching something
I forget which show it was, and I saw this
fellow Loud Blackburn, that's written some really good books, and
as a matter of fact, he did some research here
in the South Mountains. So I sent him an email.
To my surprise, he answered me and he said, yeah,

(08:30):
you're looking at bigfoot tree breaks. They did logging close
to us in twenty either late twenty fourteen early twenty fifteen,
and it seems like when they did that logging is
when we started having the increase in hearing vocalizations. The
first thing I ever heard along the lines of a

(08:51):
bigfoot was a tree knock early one morning, about five
point thirty, had the window open open. It was during
the summer, and the tree knock was close enough that
it actually woke me up, and we heard the whoop,
the classic whoop sound that is the most common sound
to this day that we hear. And then on nine

(09:13):
thirty August ninth and twenty seventeen, my wife and I
turned on to our dead end road and as we
made that right hand turn to the left, it was
a cornfield and my headlights swept the cornfield and they're
standing outside the corn just a few feet away from
the road was a bigfoot. I didn't have to think

(09:35):
about it.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
It was.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
It was absolutely massive. It was. It was so massive
that right at the moment, I said, there's no way
that's somebody wearing a sleep. The shoulders on this creature
was just incredibly wide, and its thighs were huge. It
put me in mind of Earl Campbell, the football running

(09:57):
backs thighs times fifty.

Speaker 5 (10:00):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
What I aimed to do was get the car stopped.
I wanted to back the car up, put the headlights
on the corn field. My wife said, hurry up, it's moving,
and by the time I got situated, it had walked
back into the corn but you could see its head
above the corn as it was moving away from us.

Speaker 4 (10:16):
Holy smokes, it.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
Wasn't a bear. I know. I've combed these woods since
I was a little boy, and very very well educated
by my grandpa my daddy on the wildlife, and a
bear is not going to be seven seven and a
half feet tossed in it on its hind feet and
it's definitely not gonna walk down right. It didn't leave

(10:41):
a trail through the corn. A bear would have would
have just steam rolled and left and bent stalks over.
There was not a stalk bent. I didn't go in
that night. Though I don't want to give the wrong impression.
I'm not that smart, but I'm smart enough. I was
smart enough to know I didn't need to go in
that corner at night by myself the next day to

(11:06):
check it out, and I knew beyond the shadow of doubt,
I saw the real thing, and that ignited something inside
of me to some extent. It got my wife's attention
as well, and she's very interested in it to this day.
But she didn't get bit by the bug like I
got bited.

Speaker 4 (11:24):
Wow, she knows, but she's like, she's happy with that.
That's it.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
Does she go on investigations with you sometimes maybe.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
Well, she will go into the woods with me. She's
not big on the tent camping, but you brought that up.
So I'll just go ahead and jump ahead and tell
you something that definitely got her attention.

Speaker 5 (11:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:49):
Last August, not this August, but last August. On August
the fourth, she and I was walking in the creek
in a remote stretch, an area I had only been
down one time and she had never been there, and
so we stopped to take a break. And the reason
we walk in the creek is because she don't like
to negotiate the foliage and all that mess, and the

(12:10):
Spiders Creek is a lot easier, definitely. So we stopped
to take a break and I just thought i'd aggravator.
She don't like for me to yell the whoops thing
like that. And there we was, you know, it was
broad daylight, and I picked a stick up and I
whited a tree standing next to me at the creek.

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And when I did, to our right, maybe one hundred
feet into the foliage, probably less got a tree knunk
whatever whatever it used to hit the tree with it broke.
I could hear it break. And then immediately off to
her left on the opposite side of the creek. Again,
it was very very very close an answering tree knuck.

(12:53):
And I was able to her into just taking a
knee and let's just stop and observe.

Speaker 5 (12:59):
And she did.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
And she's a pretty intrepid person. Yeah, and we had,
you know, there was there was nothing to be seen
or heard. We didn't We didn't even smell the smell
that day, and you would have thought we would have, considering.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
How close it was.

Speaker 4 (13:14):
Now, do you think that they were they were following
you just to see what y'all were doing them being
that close.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
Looking back on it now, I believe we were down
there in that remote and more and more of a
remote area, which is also near one of their killing
fields where they killed deer, and I think they were
keeping an eye on us, want to see what we
was up to. And when I knocked, maybe the one
thought the other one knocked. I don't know, but we

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didn't have We got up and started walking the creek
again because we didn't have any anything to indicate that
they were coming any closer. Right of minutes up the creek,
a rock come in from our left. As it turned out,
it was a piece of courts, a little bit bigger
than baseball, a little bit smaller than the softball, and
it missed my wife's head by a few inches, right

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over the top of her head, splashed in the water
next to us, and she was done.

Speaker 4 (14:08):
Time to go.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
I tried to talk her and then let's all right,
let's kind of get against the bank. She said, no,
you stay if you want to, but I'm out water
skiing on that creek with a boat pulling her.

Speaker 4 (14:24):
I can see that being Jason.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
The rock, the rock that was through it may was
not that big, but I still wanted to get out
of there.

Speaker 4 (14:34):
That's you know, growing up like I did. And uh
and my family, Uh, we're gen singers. And we went
out and dug herbs and all all kinds of stuff.
And I remember, you know, us walking This is when

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I was pretty young, but you know, walking miles back
into the woods, miles and miles and miles and miles
back into the woods where there wasn't a soul. And
you know, it never once crossed my mind, nothing ever
happened to me. I was always of the mindset of,

(15:16):
you know, I believe that they exist, just because of
the anecdotal evidences and the trackways and just all these
different things that they have found, even the DNA research
that they've done. But what tipped me over the edge
was being a truck driver. I'm a reform truck driver

(15:36):
now for almost two years. But the wife and I
were team drivers. So she drove during the day, I
drove at night. And we were in Washington State, I
ninety going west and we were dropping off that next
morning and just driving along. She's in bed, you know,

(15:58):
in the back, sleeping, and probably about four car links ahead.
It was a fog to where you could probably see
their tail lights of a car, but you couldn't make
out what it was, you know, So it wasn't super dense,
but it was dense enough that it was a bank
of fog about that far away or where you could

(16:19):
see about that far out. And I'm cruising, think speed
limits like sixty five miles an hour or so that
you know, down through there, all of a sudden, coming
out of the median. So to my left is a
bigfoot and he's about right at that four car links away,

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and he crosses the interstate and goes back up the
other side before I could even get to him at
sixty five miles an hour, just at four carlingks. I
think I drove for probably about another twenty minutes trying
to rationalize what I just saw and wonder if it
was what I really just saw. And uh, I mean

(17:03):
I finally come to the conclusion that there they couldn't
have been anything but what I saw. Uh, it was massive,
like you said, you know, he was. He was tall
enough that I know I could have pulled over to
the side of the interstate, rolled down my window and
had a face to face conversation with him setting in
the seat of the of the semi and he was

(17:24):
probably every bit of as wide as the front of
the semi. But what's intriguing when you really start thinking
about it, you know, because after you have years of
sitting there thinking about these things, how fast he moved
for such a large creature. It is amazing. It's it's

(17:45):
just amazing at how agile, agile and fast that they are.
You know, it's it. It still blows my mind to
think about it.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
Oh, yeah, they're incredibly quick.

Speaker 4 (17:57):
Yeah, that's been my only my only time I've ever
seen one, and it was just a roadsiding, just happenstance.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
That's one of the more common common ways that people
see one is the roadside siding. Usually it almost always
at night. And number of stories I've collected from around
here where it's people who had not an interest in
the world and anything to do with Bigfoot or Cryptis
or anything. Happened the right place at the right time

(18:31):
that night that it happened in Nancy. I mean, we
were like you were at the right place at the
right time. Although I believe that that night that creature
fully intended to stand there and let us see him.
If he if he didn't want us to see him.
He saw us coming up that road before we made
that right him turn right, which introduced a whole other

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set of questions.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
I would suppose, I think, to me my opinion of
I think they let people who they want to see.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (19:03):
You think that they picked.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
I think they picked the people that see them.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
I do.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
I don't know why, but it's just something I believe.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
Yeah, I'm with you on that. I think. Other than
the other than sometimes on the roadside sidings when maybe
they're caught by surprise, say the car comes or heel
or something, most of the time they're seen because they
allow themselves to be seen. And I believe that they
can read people. I really believe that.

Speaker 4 (19:33):
Now, Yeah, were you on the This is a fun
one to talk about. Where are you on the scale
of flesh and blood and woo when it comes to
the Bigfoot, because you know there's a big divide when
it comes to that.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
Yeah, I tell you, I was in the camp of
strictly flesh and blood for a while for a long while,
and you know, the the other two times that that
I saw one, I can't help but think that they disappeared.

(20:17):
I mean, they could have conceivably went across those fences
and got in the woods so quick that it just
seemed like they disappeared. But I'm pretty good at observing things.
I was in the Army, That's what I did. I was,
for a observer, pretty good at noticing things. And that
made me start thinking. But I'll tell you, guys, g's
what really pushed me toward being more open minded about things,

(20:38):
and that was that show, The Secrets of Skinwalker Wrench
mm hmmm, In specifically the prior owner that on the Wrench,
Robert Bigelow. You know, he hired a whole a whole
team was out there. They they really they partnered with
the government. He had scientists and researchers and uh uh yes, nids.

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Even his security was tied and he had guys ex
Special forces. But two members of Bigelow's team saw what
they described as a little black circle that got bigger
and bigger, and then they could see into this circle
that opened up, and a creature, a bigfoot type creature
stepped out and looked around and then just walked off

(21:28):
until it disappeared into the woods below them or whatever
it was, and when I read that in the book,
and I forget which of my books that's in, but
that made me think. And then the more that I see,
the more things that blow my mind that proves that
we're not even close to having things figured out. And

(21:50):
the more that I consider all of the Bigfoot evidence,
I have to think that there's something beyond fletch and
blood to these guys.

Speaker 4 (21:57):
Yeah, I agree, I know, Jason, does you know? It's
it's funny how you get a trackway that will just
end in the middle of an open field. How how
else is that happening?

Speaker 1 (22:12):
You know?

Speaker 4 (22:12):
And a lot of the flesh and blotters, well, they're
perfectly good at walking back through their tracks. Okay, you know,
I mean, but how does that explain the ones where
they're running? And then it just does it because you
can't run the same way that you want run back
forwards as you can backwards and hit those same tracks,

(22:35):
you know, I mean, at some point you got to
you got to sit there and rationalize it and say, okay,
you know what makes more sense A or B? You know,
and and then you know, for me, it's Native American tales.
You know, for thousands of years they said that they
walk in both worlds, not only our physical plane, but

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also into the spiritual or around that that there beings
that are of both places. And you know, they also
talked about the orbs and and all these things that
that some of these people want to just you know,
poo poo really about. It's funny that that they talked
about them a thousand years ago and and and further back,

(23:21):
and you know we're still seeing that this is true today.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, And you're looking back across the Native
American history and all the all the tribes have words
for bigfoot or words for a like creature. There's there's
three words in Cherokee alone, and all of them, all

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of the Native American tribes hold the big foot in
high esteem. But but like you're saying, they hold it
in high esteem really from a spiritual standpoint, yes, yes,
And then all the connections here in the South Mountains,
this is an area known for high strangeness from ghosts orbs, UFOs,

(24:10):
weird lights on the ground in the trees, up in
the sky, uh, stories of demons and witches, ghosts of giants,
and we see in a lot of bigfoot hotspots where
it's similar you know, similar circumstances where it's not just bigfoot,
but they see the orbs. There's some kind of super

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supernatural activity that goes on. Land between the lakes is
a good example.

Speaker 4 (24:36):
Yes, Yes, some kind of connection.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
There that that meshes all of that stuff together and
draws into one place. They're all part of the same thing,
is what I'm getting at. That's that's what I That's
what that's the thought I can't get out of my head.
I still try to to sometimes lean more toward flesh
and blood, you know why that the easier.

Speaker 4 (25:00):
Answer, But I know right right well, I think if
it was flesh and blood strictly, we would have a
lot more evidence and maybe even a body or something.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
By now.

Speaker 4 (25:15):
There's a reason we don't. And it isn't just because
they're elusive. You know, there's got to be something else.
And you know, anytime, I think what gets me the
most is like, you have a lot of researchers that
are out there and they'll get all these stories, but
then they'll cherry pick what they want. And I won't

(25:37):
name any big research organization or nothing, but they're really
bad about it anything. When it comes to the WU,
they just throw it out, you know, and if for
forty to fifty years or so, thinking in this this
three dimensional way of thinking has not yielded anything at

(25:59):
this time, maybe it's time to start expanding what we
what we think about.

Speaker 5 (26:03):
You know what.

Speaker 4 (26:05):
You took him off?

Speaker 3 (26:11):
You're back? Are you back? I'm okay, sorry about that,
and I hit the wrong but.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
M well, you're right.

Speaker 4 (26:22):
We h go ahead.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
I talk about skeptics and say and say in the
general population and through and put them under the under
the description of well, they don't want to think outside
the box. And it dawned on me that I was
being guilty of what they was being guilty of, only
just out on a different level. And we can't stay

(26:45):
stuck in a box to figure out this out and
to find all the answers.

Speaker 4 (26:49):
Yep, yep, you know you got.

Speaker 3 (26:54):
I'm starting to see more and more researchers and and
investigators make different kinds of equipment.

Speaker 4 (27:02):
Now, I mean, that's what I was going to ask him.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
I think they're coming around. I mean, we have a
lot of paranormal equipment and we're seeing a lot of
that being used in bigfoot research. Yeah, so maybe we
could find something a little different.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
Well, I take an EMF meter out with me when
I go. That's the I own very little equipment to
begin with, but my son bought me an EMF meter
for Christmas a couple of years ago, and I have
won that thing out and I've gotten some surprising results
out of it.

Speaker 4 (27:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
Yeah, I've watched some of your videos, some of the
orbs and stuff right there on your property.

Speaker 4 (27:50):
Yeah, what do you think about orbs?

Speaker 1 (27:55):
Well, I have to just say that, you know, I've
kind of never it down to a few things. I
think that, for sure, they're more in the supernatural realm.
There's they're not just pure physics. I don't think the
orbs in and of themselves has to do with with

(28:16):
extraterrestrial life. I just think they're they're spiritual objects or
spiritual beings, that there's a connection between them and Bigfoot,
more more so than any other thing that we would
hold in the paranormal realm.

Speaker 6 (28:31):
Right.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
We see a lot of orbs here. I've gotten been
fortunate to get a lot of good pictures, a lot
of good videos. It's fairly common around here. And you know,
the the history of interaction with cryptids here is long,
and the history of the orbs is equally as long,

(28:55):
so one's been here as long as the right know,
if they if they're somehow involved in can a bigfoot
transport itself in morph into some kind of form that's
that appears to us as an orb and then move
and then go back to it's to its uh you know,

(29:17):
shape as a bigfoot.

Speaker 4 (29:19):
I don't know, right, I know we was watching one of.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
You think our minds are linked linked somehow. Well, I'm
thinking the same thing.

Speaker 4 (29:33):
Go ahead though, watching one of Greg's movies, and uh,
at one point there's an orb and that's a beautiful
like blue orb, and That'sucker's just sitting there getting brighter,
brighter and stuff. But then as he's going through the footage,
what they didn't notice because that's too busy looking at

(29:54):
the orb, It was like a bigfoot prone, you know,
like spider crawling kind of coming towards them. And I
wonder if sometimes it's used or in conjunction with or
somehow the bigfoot can control these things. But somehow it's

(30:14):
used in a way of hey, look at this. You know,
it's like a sleight of hand, you know, where the
magician gets you to look at one thing while they
do something else, and then you think it's magic, you know,
And I'm wondering if it's used in that kind of
a way, you know. It Just when I saw that,
I was like, man, that's impressive. Scary, but impressive.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
Early in my days with the NCI show that we
do on Channel twelve TV, I remember an episode we
devoted most of the episode somebody sent in pictures. They
sent in a picture. There was no doubt what we
were seeing there by the river bank was a squatch.
But then the squatch was gone and there was an
orb above that air where the where the creature had been.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
Mhm.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
And I think that the first that was the first
time that I had ever seen anything with my own
eyes Bigfoot and Orb Virtue back to back pictures. He's
got an ORB. So that's the kind of thing that's
happened that. It just makes me keep considering different things.

Speaker 3 (31:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (31:31):
Yeah, Well, I think, you know, if we close our
minds to one thing or another and we hyper focus
on one thing, that we're missing the greater picture. You know, maybe,
like you were saying earlier, maybe all of it somehow
is tied in together. All of it from from et

(31:53):
all the way down, you know.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
Yeah, exactly, that very well could be the case, because
we don't don't understand the spiritual realm. We don't understand
the extra physical realm. We don't even understand physics, and
that has to do with with matter and gravity and
all that, and we don't even fully understand physics much
much less the spiritual realm that God created. Back, I

(32:20):
tell you something that made an impact on me. One
time I had I made a friend with a fellow
whose name was was Henry Eagle. They called him not
not Henry Richard Eagle, and they called they called him
Chief Eagle. He was he really wasn't a chief, but
that was just a nickname, loving nickname they had given him.
But I met him by happenstance, and me and him

(32:42):
became good friends. And he was he was part Cherokee
par Shawnee, and so he kind of took me under
my wing. And one day we were talking and we
were talking about the spiritual the supernatural, and he reached
behind him there at his little Native American art shop
that he had, and he pulled out a plain white
piece of paper out of the printer, and he held

(33:04):
it up and he said, you see, you see this
piece of paper. I said, yes, sir, and he took
a red ball point pen. He made a tiny little
dot on that piece of paper, and he said, that
dot represents what we understand about all this. Right.

Speaker 4 (33:19):
We don't have a clue, right right, you know, we're
we're stumbling in the dark trying to find the lights,
which is where we are exactly. Yeah, yeah, I think
that's what gets me sometimes when you know, a lot

(33:40):
of people will sit there and start putting things in,
you know, contexts that don't belong to the subject itself,
and to me, it's it's, uh, it's hard to nail

(34:02):
any of this down to one specific thing because it
encompasses so much, you know, all the way across the board.
And so when I talk about it, I try to
talk about it openly. So then that way it's I'm
not putting or any defining edges around it, because you know,

(34:22):
I think it's like you just said, you know, you
get to where you've you've perceived that edge to be,
and then all of a sudden there's nothing there and
you could keep on walking. You know, you've not reached
reached the edge of it.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
Yet, exactly. Yeah, that's well put.

Speaker 4 (34:38):
Yeah, yeah. So do you have any good stories?

Speaker 1 (34:45):
Oh, I gotta I haven't. We have had a lot
of experiences ourselves ever since August of twenty seventeen, and
even before that, with hearing the vocalizations, and in all
of that, I think most of them that that shows
themselves around here, the ones that will come up out

(35:07):
of the woods late at night and beat on the
side of our house or out of mischief, I reckon,
come and just mess things up in their backyard, or
they bust my feet. They don't bust them over. They
open my feed barrels and eat out of them.

Speaker 5 (35:23):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
I think that they they're they're youngins their adolescents, who
you know, more more reckless, they're less wise. Most of
the foots I've been found have been in the adolescent range.
The second one that I saw wasn't even an adolescent.
It was it was it was younger than being adolescent

(35:45):
if we're equating it, you know, to the to the
human growth cycle. It was maybe five foot tall, reddish
reddish brown fur or hair, and I had I don't know,
an odd quality about it, like a glow or something.
And it was there and then it was gone. The
third time family member of mine. He was here over

(36:09):
the Christmas holidays in December twenty nineteen. We had a
ruckus outside with one of the hound dogs that lives
next to me, and the hound dog was losing its
mind out there. So we went outside and I knew
something was up immediately. We could smell the stench the smell,

(36:30):
and I told Josh to stay put and I run
in the house, got my spotlight and I gave it
to him, and I asked him just to just to
start using his phone, turn on the video, and start
scanning with the phone in spotlight together just for a
split second. A full grown was not full grown, but

(36:52):
it's seven seven and a half week tall, so it
was later stage adolescent or early adult, I guess. And
in it it just just so quick turned around, stepped
over my four foot fence, stepped into the woods below
my pasture. And by the way, in those woods below
my pasture is a really really old graveyard on my property.

(37:17):
We see a lot of strange lights and things in
that patch of woods. There's been four rock throwing incidents
in or near here where we live. And when I
say near where we live, I mean in the South
Mountains in general. There's been a lot of rock throwing incidents.
I'm talking about in my little neck of the woods,

(37:37):
about five miles south of the boundary to the South
Mountain State Park. I told you about the rock being
thrown at my wife's head November of twenty twenty. My
cousin had become interested and they came to camp. We
started camping. That started to be a regular thing. At

(37:58):
least twice a year, he and his would come and
we would camp camp in the same spot and do
a night hunt. And it was uneventful, except to say
that we heard a couple of tree knocks while we
were doing the night and as we were walking back
to camp, a rock came in from our right. It

(38:18):
barely missed a friend of mine st Now, now my
friend was taller, he's about sixty two. He was right
in front of me. It barely missed his head and
hit the ground and bounced. And then the third the
second rock through an incident that I was part of
prior to the one where my wife was almost hitting
the head. I was in my friend's brand new jeep.

(38:38):
We were checking bridges. Now what I do is I
go to all the bridges out here on the on
the back roads, and I look under the bridges. It's
a great place to find tracks. And we found one track.
It's a large sandbar. In the very middle of that
sandbar was about a seventeen to eighteen inch foot inch

(39:00):
track and that thing was so deep. It was so deep.
You know, you're you're talking seven eight hundred pounds easy.
But the thing was, it was one track. It was
four foot from the water's edge to the track, and
then four foot from the track to the other water's edge,
So you're looking at a stride of at minimum four feet,

(39:23):
and I'm sure it was more than that, but it was.
It was pretty apparent that it was running and it
was chasing the deer because there was a huge butt
tracks also in that sandbar, and you could tell that
the buck was running, probably for its dear life. We
took pictures and we got my buddy's jeep, brand new jeep,
it wasn't but a couple months old, and started driving

(39:45):
up that dirt road and a rock come in and
hit the top of his jeep. It sounded like a gunshot.
It went off, and we didn't we didn't find the
rock because it bounced off the top of the jeep
into the woods and rolled rolled down into the holler.
But it was big enough to put a gouge in
the top of that jeep. That carbon fiber material or
fiberglass or whatever it was, it put a pretty healthy

(40:08):
gouge in it.

Speaker 4 (40:09):
Oh my goodness. I bet he was sick't he?

Speaker 1 (40:15):
He wasn't, as a he said, at least nobody, at
least where it's at, nobody can see it. It's kind
of a badge of honor to say, how to throw
a rock at your jeep.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
I got a question about the rock throwing. What do
you think they're doing when they're throwing rocks, because it's
pretty common for them to throw something at you that
they're they're letting you.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
Know they're there and that that you're not welcome in
that area at that particular time.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
Yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 4 (40:48):
You think that they purposefully miss like you said, just
like firing a warning shot.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
I do I think they purposely missed because things about it,
You know, that's their domain. One of the weapons that
they have at their ready disposal is rocks, and out
of throw a rock, you know, just like We're raised
play baseball. We can throw a baseball, yeah, and throw
a rock. And I've never collected a story from this area.

(41:20):
Although people have been hurt by sasquatches and creatures in
other areas of the world, but in my area, I've
never collected one story from anybody of someone being hurt.
The closest it came was rock throwing in it, and
I have no accounts from my area of anybody actually

(41:40):
being hit by the rock. I run into a story
I met. I met a man at the Westminster Bigfoot
Festival in South Carolina. Gave me his number and I
called him. Him and his father had an experience and
they had They were in a boat. They they had
already seen the creature and they was they was high

(42:02):
telling it down the river and rock started coming in
from one side of the river and a couple of
them hit. He hit the man's son, who was laying
face down in the boat. But I don't think they
meant to hit him. So it's a warning shot. If
they wanted to hit you, they could. I mean, heck,
if they're close enough to throw a rock, they could

(42:23):
bum rush.

Speaker 3 (42:24):
You and take you or you are Yeah, think he
froze up. Hello, Hey, can you hear me?

Speaker 4 (42:43):
Yeah, yeah, we got you, But no, I said, I
think that they're definitely faster than we are.

Speaker 3 (42:47):
You know, m Have you ever had.

Speaker 4 (42:52):
Anything happened to you like where they'll kind of run
in on you, those bluff charges and stuff like that
that they do. Have you ever had anything like that
happened to you.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
Well, I can't say that I've been bluff charged, but
what I call it is being bluff yelled.

Speaker 5 (43:10):
At.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
Last thing that I do every night before I settle
in for the night and go to bed is I
have to go out to pasture to check my all
my farm animals, all my wife's pets we got, and
I always get a head count at night because if
you know, if the animal gets hurt or sick, they'll
often go off by themselves, which here means they're gonna
go downhill next to the fence down at the woods.

(43:35):
And so if I'm missing when, I have to account
for it and make sure it's okay. A number of
things have happened to me over the years while I
was doing that very thing. The first time that I
was ever, I mean just totally scared, scared out of
my wits was I was looking for alpaca that was missing.

(43:56):
I was spotlighting the woods there just below my fence,
and I set of red eyes looking back at me.
I'd never seen that before. I had seen green eye shine.
I had even seen a yellowish red eye shine, but
this was bright red eye shine. And that scared the devil.
But it didn't bluff, charge me or anything. It didn't

(44:17):
yell or nothing. The eyes were there and then they
were gone. The second time something happened, I was whistled at. Well,
it hard, it's hard to really describe it, but it
definitely didn't sound like a person whistling. Whistling and who's
going to be in that patch of thick woods at

(44:38):
ten ten thirty at night, just standing there waiting on
me to come downhill, which I normally don't do, to
whistle that that seriously creeped me out. But the two
other times that I've been scared both involved times when
they were really close and they yelled at me. It
was the first time sounded like it either exhaled a

(45:02):
really really huge breath or inhale and then and I
felt like it was I felt like that was its
way of telling me that I was too close to
get back up the hill. Figure they were probably hunting,
probably hunting deer down there. The second time, it was
much closer and I could actually feel it. So while

(45:26):
I could feel it my chest like you're standing next
to a base speaker for a split second.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
Man, I wonder what frequency that would be? Be pretty low,
wouldn't It would be a low frequency, I would think, so, Yeah,
it would really a low frequency.

Speaker 4 (45:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:48):
I heard a lot of people talk about, you know,
getting that ground as it just feels like it entered
their body. I mean, pretty weird way they talk about it.
Even heard of some couple of people, Matt, one of
them said that they've even like got inside their head

(46:10):
and was talking to them.

Speaker 4 (46:12):
Yeah, Matt, Matt seb talks about mind speak.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
That's interesting to me believing that I met people who
who I heard them, you know, out of their own mouth,
looking eye to eye with them, describe what they went through,
and there's no doubt in my mind they experienced what
they said they experienced. The closest thing that I've come
to that was one of the times that that my

(46:38):
cousin and that crew came to camp and we did
a night hike. This was about a I don't know,
a year and a half ago or so, and I
was you know, I know these woods the best, So
I was point man and I got I got disoriented.
I got completely disoriented, and I had no clue how
I led us to where we got to. And I

(46:59):
know these woods the back of my hand. Can walk
them blindfolded.

Speaker 5 (47:04):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
And what I'm told is that, you know, there's also
a wavelength or frequency they can hit you with. They
call it infrasound.

Speaker 4 (47:15):
Infrasound, Yeah, and I think that's I was out.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
In front, in front of everybody that night, and I
believe I got hit by that and it just disoriented.

Speaker 5 (47:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (47:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
Part of what I did in the military, I had
to be very proficient at land navigation and map reading.
Certainly not gonna get lost on my own property, but
that night it happened.

Speaker 5 (47:35):
Right.

Speaker 4 (47:37):
That's that's what I you know, used to tell people
all the time, you know, going jen singing and stuff
like I used to do. You know, you was just
out in the woods and you just had to be
I guess, have your mind enough about you to be
able to find your way back to where you started.
Because if you don't landmarks and things like that, watch

(48:03):
where the sun is as you come in and as
you go, because if you don't pay attention to certain things,
you're gonna get turned around and you ain't coming back out.
You're not coming back out. But it kind of takes
me back to like some David Politis type stuff that missing.
For one one, stuff you know where it seems like
there's stories of people that have been you know, just

(48:28):
in the woods hunting or doing whatever, and have been
to these places thousands and thousands of times, and then
all of a sudden, there are hundreds of times hunting
and stuff, and then they just they're missing a lot
of times. Their clothes are folded up and their guns
just sitting there, but they're just missing.

Speaker 5 (48:43):
You know.

Speaker 3 (48:44):
It's it's weird.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
Oh yeah, yeah, and it happens. It happened so often.
I mean, David Blytis has written how many books now
and make three doctories plus all of the things does
on you too, Yeah, it's sort of those most of
the disappearances are within the realm of the unexplained.

Speaker 4 (49:04):
Yes, yeah, it's it's pretty interesting, especially though when you
start looking back, you know, the old timers used to
tell you. You know, they called Bigfoot, but one of
the words for them was was whistlejack because of the whistling.
But the the a lot of the old timers would

(49:26):
tell you you never go into the woods and whistle.
You do not whistle in the woods ever, and they
would be that into their kids's heads. You know, you
don't do not go into the woods and whistle. They
would also tell you you can't if you hear a
baby crying, or you hear certain things, you do not
go towards it, or a woman screaming. Because these were tactics.

(49:50):
You know, the Native Americans said that sometimes they would
steal women and children. Bigfoot would yep.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
Yep, big Foot's not not not a nice a nice
guy so to speak, everywhere, right, and plus you have
to account for the fact that they're going to be
like the humans. I mean, you're gonna have some of
them that are meaner than others. It's got different personalities,
the type that snatch a kid or a woman or

(50:20):
even a fore grown man.

Speaker 5 (50:22):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
The problem is these people disappearing. We we don't know,
we don't know what got them, but we've got some ideas.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
Yeah, I've heard a couple of different theories about that.
One is that the the the adolescent bigfoot leaves its family,
you know, family to go find another bigfoot, and when
it goes to a different area. I don't know. I've

(50:51):
heard that that is when they become aggressive and stuff,
and I don't know, I've heard that. And and I've
also heard that it's like tribes. You have different tribes
of bigfoot, different like you were talking about. But I
think some are aggressive in summer or you know, very nice.

(51:15):
But that's just a couple of of theories I've heard.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
I think the Adoleste Sasquatches are the ones that will
be the ones that will get aggressive really quick.

Speaker 3 (51:27):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (51:34):
We was talking to Scott before he passed and he
was on our show. Was it like six months ago,
I think, or so six or seven months ago, but
he was talking about that. He was talking about the
fact of that you know that app I forgot the

(51:54):
name of it, but the one that tracks all the
bigfoot sightings and stuff, and and they put a little
and everything. He says, if you follow those and you
really look back throughout the years that it's been out,
you could almost see the range of these things are
like a two year range where they start at one point,

(52:17):
it takes them two years to get back to that point,
and that's kind of their range. And so say a
family has, you know, a son or two sons or whatever,
but once they get to a certain age, they you know,
it's time for you to leave and go find your own.
And he says that he believes that that's when they
really get yeah, you know, pretty aggressive and stuff because

(52:40):
they're out on their own and all that.

Speaker 7 (52:44):
Right.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
And one of the things that I've learned somewhat in
part to my experience is like getting yelled at. They
were telling me, we don't want you here, and I
think they were hunting, or we want you out of
this area, so they throw a rock. But I've got
having to interview so many different witnesses now over the
past four years or so, and there's several tales, well,

(53:08):
they're not tails. I didn't even mean to use that word.
Several accounts where these witnesses that I've talked to had
some very very scary encounters right here in the South Mountains.
I think it came down to the fact that these
people were too far into the brush, they were too
far into into the Sasquat's territory, into the interior of

(53:28):
the South Mountains. One occasion, a friend of mine who
just recently passed, but twice while he was in the
South Mountains hunting, he was chased out him and his
uncle was chased for several miles before the It was
a big male alf a huge that if it wanted
to catch up with them guys, it would have, but

(53:49):
it stayed. It stayed behind them, and when they stopped,
it would start putting on these threat displays and rocking
back and forth and showing its teeth, yelling. And then
the other case, he was by himself. He was in
an area and he got he stayed. He made a
bad mistake, one you don't want to make if you're

(54:10):
in an area known for squatches. You don't want to
stay in there by yourself and let it get done.
And it was getting close to sundown. He was squirrel
hunting sixteen gage shotgun and a big, another big male
started coming up hill toward him and he said, he said, Jerry,
I don't know why I did it, but I put
my back up against the tree and I watched it

(54:31):
for a second and I just kind of looked down
and he said, it turned and it walked off and
he left. Another occasion, we're two young men, two brothers.
This was back decades and decades ago. I had got
permission to go deep into the South Mountains to when
it was still private property. They got permission to hunt

(54:55):
and trap on a parcel of property. But the old
man that owned it said, now there's some old homesteads
on the hilltop. Do not go around those old homesteads.
They were abandoned. And they asked him why. He said,
just don't go there, and they did. They wound up
being chased out of there by what sounds to me
like pretty much a whole clan of sasquatches. But again,

(55:21):
if those creatures hadn't wanted to overpower my friend, my
friend Ralph or those two brothers and kill them, nobody
had ever heard from him again, and we would have
never known what happened.

Speaker 4 (55:32):
Yeah, Yeah, that's what gets me about some some of these,
uh you know, people who paint them as this terrible thing,
that their bloodthirsty and all this.

Speaker 5 (55:48):
I think.

Speaker 4 (55:51):
More often than not, you would have more dead people
and less people coming out with stories. If that was true,
you know that, And so the fact that we've got
so many people that come out with stories of seeing
them or having these kinds of things going on, and
all that shows that they're not that aggressive to where

(56:15):
they're going to try to kill you or do anything
like that. They just want you gone. You just get
out of here. Maybe you're getting too close to their
little ones or something, you know, whatever, it is.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
Evidence evidence shows that if they're going to go, if
they're going to start inflicting harm on something, it's going
to be dogs. Yeah, we've had a lot of dogs
around here, hurt, missing, killed. You remember I was talking
about the redbone hound that was going nuts and alerted

(56:48):
us we'll wound up seeing one in the pasture. Well,
that same redbone hound was missing for about half a
day and I found it in my barn, barely alive.
It's back, it's rump was was just absolutely torn up
and there was bark stuck in its frunt, so obviously
it had been slammed against the tree. It had these
weird puncture wounds kind of on its back, and I

(57:11):
believe the sasquatch grabbed it, and you know, they've gotten
nails they have to grabbed it grabbed it forcefully to
slam it up against that tree, penetrated the dog's skin
and somehow the dog got away. Wow, but it wound
up down of internal injuries. And just up the road
from us, just about a year ago or so, man's
big eighty pound dog was found in the creek with

(57:33):
this back broken, but the dog was still alive, and
the vet said, I don't understand how this dog's back
got broke. There's no external trauma whatsoever. So what does
that tell us creature picked it up and broke its
back and threw it down.

Speaker 4 (57:50):
Yeah, yeah, we had that.

Speaker 3 (57:53):
For that.

Speaker 5 (57:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (57:55):
Yeah. We have a guy that came on the show
even with our Cane Discoveries, and he lives right here
around where we live, and he had a story about
going bear hunting and they all let out a bunch
of dogs, and two of them were young, so they
didn't quite follow the pack, and they got another smell

(58:16):
and went went off and one of the two, I guess,
finally caught back up with the other pack, but the
other one didn't, and it's tracking collar just showed it there.
And so after everything was over and they got the
bear and everything, they went to look for the dog,
and he said that when they went down, they almost

(58:37):
didn't see it. He said he saw the radio collar,
but something had just went like that and just squished
his head, flattered in a pancake, and then buried it
with leaves, pushed, pushed a ton of leaves on top
of it. And he's like, that was a sasquatch, that's wild.

(58:58):
It was a bear going to do that.

Speaker 1 (59:01):
Yeah, Yeah, could not do that, could not squash that
dog's head like that.

Speaker 3 (59:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
I think that the natural animosity toward dogs, because dogs
are you know, they're automatically going to show aggression to
something that that's out of the order. Yes, And I
think that they killed They've killed pigs around here, in goats.
I believe most of the time the pigs and goats
are for food. They kill a lot of deer. I

(59:29):
have found a number of deer, usually in a in
a really really concentrated area. It's the ideal kind of
grounds topographically speaking, that allows them to funne on them
into an area. They bum rush them, They ambush them,
break their necks to crush the ribs, break legs, pull
legs off the dogs. I think they do it out

(59:51):
of self protection. I don't think it's mean. And I
know off there's all these dog stories that don't have
a happy ending, but I do there is one dog
story with happy ending.

Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
If y'all want me to tell that one, Yes, yeah,
go ahead, absolutely, well, let's you can tell it and
then we'll go to a break.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
Okay. And this, this I know is one thousand percent
trough because it happened with the dog that belonged to me,
that belonged to me and my wife. He was he
has since passed of old age. But and just preface
this before anybody starts grabbing tissue thinking this is gonna
be a sad story. This has got a happy ending.

(01:00:36):
But his name was Scoop. He's a little eight pound
Yorkshire Terrier with silky hair, a Yorkshire Terrier, and we
rescued Scoot. He was already fifteen years old and he
had just a couple of teeth when we got him
and those who fell out. He was blind, totally blind,
and he could he could hear, but not very well.

(01:00:59):
For whatever reason, anytime Scoop would go out the back door,
he would go pass down by the house, hang a left,
and every time hed tored the hollow across the road. Well,
he got out this morning, and my wife didn't realize
he had gotten out, so by the time I noticed
he was missing, he was gone. And I spent all

(01:01:19):
that day and all the next day, all the way
up into dark both days looking for the dog. Oh
my heart was broke. And by the end of the
second day, I'd given up because just a helpless little
little guy, blind, teeth, no teeth. Everything in these woods
would want to eat him, even a coon or a
skunk would eat him if they were And I gave

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up on him, and I figured he's he's fell and
gotten down to the creek, fell in and drowned, or
he's gotten something's ate him. Well, on the nineteenth day,
my neighbor came up here on his on his ATV
and said, your dog's down at the creek the nineteenth
today smokes. And I thought that he meant the dog

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was dead, and I said, you mean it's body. He said, no,
it's alive. And then I assumed that it was a
case of mistaken identity, that that it was a different dog.
I went down there, and there down in the creek
on the sandbar was my dog, looking he was perfectly dry.
I went down the bank of that creek in about

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a six foot bank. I went down it like I
was back in the Army, crossed that water and grabbed
him up. Boys, he stunk to the high heaven. Not
like a wet dog or a dirty dog. Yeah, he
smelled like the stench that we smelled. That's so she,
you know, with with big Foot. And it was so horrible.

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He brought tears to my eyes, but it didn't didn't
keep me from continuing to hug him. And he had
no footprints around him, not even his own on that sandbar.

Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
Mm.

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
Now, come to find out he had gained a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
Of weight.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
During the eighteen almost nineteen days that he was gone.
So what was the dog eating? What was protecting him?
We had a very rain during that time spell, and
because we live on such steep property all around us,
you get a quick rain when you guys, know the
in mountainous areas. It'll wash you downhill in a heartbeat.

Speaker 4 (01:03:26):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
And I have but one conclusion that the dog was
taken care of by these creatures. And I think that
they were setting it on that spot on the creek
because my neighbor rides down through there every morning looking.
He was a birdwatchers, especially for the wood ducks that
come in. And I believe finally that on that nineteenth

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morning that he happened to see it. I believe they
set it, set the dog down from the top of
the bank, backed off and was watching. And I believe
that as sure as I'm sitting here talking to you,
there's no other expedition possible.

Speaker 4 (01:04:09):
That that's an amazing story though, you know, I mean,
not only did they take care of him, they fed him,
because you said he even weighed more for a blind, deaf,
no teeth dog, like you said, after nineteen days, I mean,
you would assume the worst, but not for him to

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come back and excellent health and even bigger than he
was when he left.

Speaker 3 (01:04:38):
You remember, do you remember that a pound?

Speaker 4 (01:04:42):
Wow?

Speaker 3 (01:04:43):
You remember that cartoon is a Bugs Bunny cartoon and
the abominaal no man, you know, grab bugs Bunny and
said I will love him and petted him and call
him George. That reminds me of something like that.

Speaker 4 (01:05:00):
But you know, to for them to even know where
the dog belonged and then bring him back is pretty
amazing too.

Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
Yeah, Yeah, And I'm sure they saw me in the
woods those two days, and they could they could tell
that I was upset and frantic.

Speaker 4 (01:05:21):
Mm hm.

Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
And they had concussion on that little guy because he
didn't pose any threat to them.

Speaker 5 (01:05:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:05:30):
Yeah, being partially blind, he probably just thought another person
picked him up.

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
He was blind. He could not see it all, completely
totally blind.

Speaker 3 (01:05:39):
Wow, that's amazing.

Speaker 4 (01:05:43):
Yeah, my little dog, baby dog, she's half Yorky and
you could start seeing her eyes are kind of getting
them feel me a little bit, you know, on them.
So she's twelve this January, she'll be thirteen.

Speaker 3 (01:06:01):
Well, we're gonna go ahead and take a quick break.

Speaker 4 (01:06:05):
When we come back, though, you want to talk a
little bit about your last go around over here at
the Land between the Lakes, on this last filming and
stuff that y'all was doing.

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
Sure, that'd be great.

Speaker 4 (01:06:17):
Yeah, talk a little bit about that stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:06:20):
Awesome. All right, So we'll be back in about four minutes.

Speaker 4 (01:06:25):
Yep, everybody, everybody stay stay, but.

Speaker 3 (01:06:28):
You'll go nowhere talking with Jerry Millwood Junior from North
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Speaker 3 (01:09:31):
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Speaker 4 (01:10:47):
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and they do have some really good music.

Speaker 1 (01:10:57):
Yeah to die those guys up. I assume they're on YouTube.

Speaker 4 (01:11:02):
I think they have some stuff on YouTube. If you
go to our website, uh paranormal and I've actually got
a link to their band camp page and all their
albums on there. You could actually listen to all their
stuff right there for free, or you could download it.

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But they've they've they've got some really good music.

Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
I forgot. You're in a You got a band too,
don't you.

Speaker 1 (01:11:28):
Well, I won't say that I have a band. I
sing with the band called Dreamer.

Speaker 3 (01:11:35):
M hm.

Speaker 1 (01:11:37):
Those guys they'll do concert. I'll usually go sing a
song or two with them. But yeah, they're awesome to
be part of.

Speaker 3 (01:11:44):
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Speaker 1 (01:11:45):
They do mainly seventies and eighties rock, oh nice, Yeah,
some scannered, some Southern rock, some eighties music and Judas
Priest and Ozzie and Van Haling and all the classics.

Speaker 4 (01:12:02):
Yes, I love all of it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:04):
My brother had a band all his life. Man, he
could play the guitar, he played lead, and he was
a singer too. He could play any instrument. But I
would follow him around everywhere listen to him play his band.
The name of it was c a B which stood
for cheap ass band. It was pretty cool. I thought

(01:12:27):
he was a rock star. Really, that's funny. So uh,
we had a question in chat here just after their Yeah,
let's see if I can find it.

Speaker 5 (01:12:44):
Here.

Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
We go.

Speaker 4 (01:12:48):
Right there.

Speaker 3 (01:12:49):
Yeah, unacknowledged unknown asked what type of vocalizations did you hear,
if any at all. I don't know what we was
talking about when they asked, but.

Speaker 4 (01:13:03):
What time is it now? I'm fifteen, so I was
nine oh eight, So that was something was talking about
just before ROBALI the.

Speaker 1 (01:13:15):
Found here in our area. I've heard pretty much every
bigfoot sound you can hear, from from the most common
things wood knocks and whoops, all the way up to
the more rare, a deep howls, very scary sounding thing.
The first time I heard it, it horrified me. But

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I've heard the whole range. The only thing I've never
heard was the chatter, the gibberish. I had a family
camping down here in my creek bottom last year, the
last weekend of July last year that heard the gibberish.
And then I had a person that lives near me
back about thirty years ago. She came out of her

(01:13:57):
house early one morning and out in the field behind
her house, he heard the gibberish. But I've never heard
the gibberish, but I've pretty much heard everything else, even
the mimicry, the where they mimic owls or codies. We
don't have much of a cody problem in this general area.
They stay out on the periphery beyond the ridges that
are around us. I wonder why. Yeah, but I've heard

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them imitate dogs, and I swear one like that it
sounded like somebody saying a human word. I couldn't make
out what it was, but I felt like it was
a for attempt at trying to mimic a human.

Speaker 4 (01:14:36):
Wow. Yeah, foot Clan says, what is it. I've heard
the chatter and direct response to vocalization to vocalization talking
into the woods, and also heard a whoop for the
first time this year. And I have heard the Ohio
howell in the state of Maine.

Speaker 1 (01:14:53):
Oh that's awesome.

Speaker 4 (01:14:56):
Yeah, we have you know the very first commercial that's
that's on there. Uh is Eddie and Susan Legends and
Lord Pizza Rha Uh. They're just right down the road
from us. Awesome place, right. It's everything's cryptied themes, even
the names of the pizzas are cryptied. Themes and uh,
but outside their house, they've got like audio after audio.

(01:15:22):
They'll be going to sleep and they'll usually have their
bedroom window open, and across the way they will hear
these howls and they'll start howling, and then all of
a sudden, you'll hear like the neighbor dogs just start
just going nuts, you know, start barking and everything, and

(01:15:42):
it's it's pretty amazing. They've got a lot of stuff
that happens over there.

Speaker 5 (01:15:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:15:49):
Yeah, that the vocalizations, I mean, I don't ever get
tired of. I count myself blessed actually when I get
to hear them. Every time I got to hear something,
I consider myself less because there's so many people who
are into this that would that would kill to be
in a position of being able to hear stuff like this.

Speaker 4 (01:16:09):
So often, yes, I get something recorded, not to.

Speaker 1 (01:16:14):
Hear the how. The first time that I heard the How,
I had already been in a in a funk where
a couple of months I didn't even go into woods
by myself. I wouldn't. I just I was overcome, and Uh.
I wound up getting some spiritual advice from my cousin's
mother and who told me, you know what you're praying, man,

(01:16:37):
you need to put your faith in the in the
Good Lord. And I got past that. But but then
not long after that, I heard the how for the
first time, and it haunted me. Guys, it bothered I
sat down. I'm no poet. I'll promise you that I
sat down and started writing a horror poem. I don't
know why. I don't even know why I did it.

(01:16:58):
I guess I was just trying to maybe make sense
out of it, or get it out or something. But
that how bothered me, and it still bothers me when
I hear it.

Speaker 5 (01:17:08):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 4 (01:17:10):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:17:12):
I'm the one that has never seen or heard, you know,
anything Bigfoot. David's actually seen it. But for some reason,
with all that, people say there's no evidence. But there's
a lot of compelling evidence for Bigfoot. You got the DNA,
you got the footprints, even the Gimblin, the Patterson Gimblin film.

(01:17:36):
I don't I don't understand why it's not acknowledged. I can't.
I believe it myself, but I've never seen it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:44):
Right, plenty of evidence, I mean, there's there's just plenty
of evidence. In the biggest piece of evidence is the
record from Native Americans. Yeah, we talked about that earlier.
Tribes from all over North America, Central America, South America.
They got words for these creatures. And the Native Americans

(01:18:04):
up in what is now Washington State weren't talking what
I'm communicating with the Cherokee or the Shawnee or any
of the East. You know. Yeah, and that alone is enough.
It should be enough to compel people to at least
consider it and then throw the thousands and thousands and

(01:18:26):
thousands of sightings anecdotal evidence and ancdotal evidence is undervalued. Yes, so, well,
you know that's eye witness testimony is the most unreliable thing. Well,
that's not true. That's just simply not true. Especially you know,
you're going to have folks who have encounters, and some

(01:18:47):
people aren't very good with words, some people are, and
some people are very credible, more credible than others. Not
casting dispersions on anybody, but you've got all these stories
of people were very observant, very articulate. It was able
to describe the details of their sidings. Just the anecdotal
evidence alone, and then all the footprints. I get stally

(01:19:11):
aggravated with skeptics sometimes.

Speaker 4 (01:19:16):
Yeah that you know, Jason and I do a like
we was talking before the show, we even started to
know we do a lot of stuff on the paranormal side.
And this year we've been really honored that twice this year,
the Knoxville Public Library has had us come down and

(01:19:37):
do a two hour talk and a paranormal Paul and
also UT had us come down to do a one
hour talk on the paranormal. All that to just say that,
you know, skepticism is something that we talk about during

(01:19:58):
this because you have healthy skepticism and then you have
very unhealthy right where you now that light ain't white,
it's it's blue. Okay, you know what I mean? Where
nothing is what it is and you know, to it's
healthy to to say, okay, uh, in a paranormal thing,

(01:20:19):
you know, could this have been caused by A B
or C? You go through and you go through and
say no, it's not A. No, it's not B. Oh
look there it is, it's C. And we've had times
during investigations where we've been able to go back through
and prove that something isn't paranormal, that it was something

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that's that's very normal, you know, uh so, a healthy skepticism.
But these skeptics like you're talking about that just you know,
I don't even know how to describe them without being mean.
To be honest with you, it doesn't make a lot
of sense.

Speaker 1 (01:20:59):
You know, No, it does not. It's closed mindedness. Just
aggravates the snot out of me. Yes, I was on
SAPs show one time, the Coven of Curiosities, and I
was a co host with her, and there was this
guy well I won't even call his name, but he
had kind of bamboozled his way onto the show through

(01:21:23):
false pretenses. But anyway, we started talking about big Foot,
and I was going down through the laundry list, just
like I just did with Native American history, with all
the eyewitness accounts, with all the footprints, and he just
kept saying, well, I don't buy into that. I don't
buy into that either. I don't buy into that. I said, well,
can you explain it? So you know, he starts with

(01:21:46):
the well, a lot of it's mithsidentification. Some people are
just making it up. Some people let their imagination get
away from him. Somebody was out in the woods. Apparently
there's been thousands of people in the wildernesses of North
America from one end of another for the last two
three hundred years making fake footprints, according.

Speaker 3 (01:22:05):
To this guy.

Speaker 1 (01:22:06):
So that's start, that's when I start wanting to go
military on them.

Speaker 4 (01:22:11):
Yes, that's that's that's insane, you know, I mean, uh,
they even think that people would be doing that two
hundred years ago or something. I think that they were
back then too busy fighting for their own survival to
worry about faking some footprints of something. That's that's kind

(01:22:36):
of insane.

Speaker 1 (01:22:37):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:22:38):
What I wonder about some of these people is when
you get into the DNA evidence that has been that
they have gotten a.

Speaker 5 (01:22:47):
Lot of it.

Speaker 4 (01:22:48):
You know, they've dismissed, but it's out of their own
closed mindedness that they did that. These people dismissed this
stuff because when when you get time after time again
from ultiple different people the same thing, you have to
start saying, well, then the evidence is showing a B
and C. You know when when when it shows a

(01:23:10):
female human female mitochondrial DNA and then on the father
side an unknown uh you know, ape, great ape. And
it does that time after time after time, no matter
who's taking you know, or gathering the evidence. How can
you say it's tampering because they don't want to admit

(01:23:33):
that that human female is an unknown that they don't
want to they don't want to recognize.

Speaker 1 (01:23:40):
Yeah, they don't. They just refuse to to think that
there's some that Here's what the insinuation is, the essence
of what folks who hold this hard line are saying.
We know everything, we've got everything figured out, and there
is absolutely nothing beyond our knowledge. Yes, that's the essence

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of what they're saying.

Speaker 4 (01:24:02):
Now they're putting themselves in a box, and so if
anything comes in that challenges the notion of that box,
they have to defend it because now that would make
everything that they've talked about this whole time wrong, and
that have to go back to the drawing board.

Speaker 3 (01:24:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:24:22):
I have a lot of conversations, as you guys can
imagine from the things you do with the paranormal, where
people start asking questions and what about this and what
about that? Yes, and well why don't we have a
good picture. Well, we've got good pictures, we've got good videos,
and I believe that they're over time a few times
throughout history that they've had the bodies. Yes, I think

(01:24:45):
that it's possible. Now that as many big researchers as
there are, I think it's very possible that somebody may
have come across a dead one. But if I come
across when you know what I'm doing, I'm not telling anybody,
right for a number of different reasons. Number one, I
don't I don't want the black helicopters or or the

(01:25:08):
the dude black rolling up on my property. Yeah, uh
uh m hm, take pictures, maybe take a hair sample.
I don't know what I would do, and and leave
the leave the fellow land there, and if he's not
buried within a certain amount of time, I'll go bury him.
I don't know that I will tell anybody, but.

Speaker 5 (01:25:28):
That's going to be enough.

Speaker 1 (01:25:30):
We could have a dead body and then they'd say, oh,
that was fate or I heard that that that was this,
or that was that. Yeah, bottom hound, you're not convinced
somebody who don't want.

Speaker 3 (01:25:41):
To be convinced, right, Yeah, I know there's a I'm
sure you've heard amount say Helen's when interrupted. The stories
that came out of there with the government, the military,
you know, helping the the Bigfoot recover their dead and injured,
and and and you got some pretty good stories from

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some credible people like that we're in the military.

Speaker 4 (01:26:08):
But well, what's crazy about like some of those stories too, Jason,
is the fact that, you know, you have one guy
that was like a guard and he was put in
the garden, the specific tent, and he tells his story
unbeknownst to some other people that were there that told

(01:26:29):
their stories, and then when you put them all together,
you get a pretty decent timeline of some of the
things that happened. You know, if it's not real, it's
a really good made up story. But I know that
there's God to be satisfats there. I've been by Mount

(01:26:50):
Sine Helen's too many times as a truck driver.

Speaker 3 (01:26:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:26:54):
I mean, think about the vast wildernesses that we still have,
even though we've had so much development. Still, Yeah, there's
a huge tracks of wilderness left in this country. I
mean the South Mountains right here in the foothills, that's
one hundred thousand acres of deep wilderness. Yeah, and the
wilderness around in the periphery of the South Mountains. I
mean you're talking about another fifty sixty seventy thousand acres

(01:27:17):
of wilderness. You know, cumulatively speaking.

Speaker 4 (01:27:21):
Yep, yep, a Cherokee National Forest and all of that
that's you know, right up and all there too, and
which is another you know, huge swaft of land that's
that's just no one lives in. So it's we've got
a lot of land, empty land, for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:27:42):
We had I had a National Public Radio crew that
came myself and my good friend Todd Landers. What NPR
wanted to do was for us to take us in
the woods on a big foot. So there was all
the preliminary questions, and the reporter asked me, she said,
what do you really think they can still exist, giving

(01:28:03):
them given given the limited amount of willerness. And I
just looked at her, you know, and I explained. I said,
there's there's one hundred thousand acres right there, and I
pointed across across the way to the South Mountains. Said, lady,
if I wanted to take a company of soldiers into
those South Mountains and we didn't want to be seen,

(01:28:23):
we'd never be seen.

Speaker 5 (01:28:25):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:28:28):
And one hundred thousand acres is a is a drop
in the bucket compared to some of the other places
on further wet there's plenty of habitat.

Speaker 3 (01:28:38):
Yeah, yep, yep.

Speaker 4 (01:28:41):
Do you do you believe that a lot of their
the way that they do certain things is very similar
to the way that the Native Native Americans used to live, Like,
you know, in the winter they would have their places

(01:29:02):
that they would go for their winter habitation versus their
summer habitations and things like that.

Speaker 1 (01:29:09):
Yeah, they definitely, they definitely moved. One of the first
when I first started kind of real behind the scenes
trying to talk to some of the old timers around here.
This was before I was I mean, there's very few
people knew about our experience, but along the way I
made friends. I got commed when I started talking to
them about it, And one of the first things several

(01:29:30):
of them said was, all right, now, where you live, Jerry,
you're gonna you're gonna experience more during the winter, and
during the summer you'll experience less. He said, because when
it gets hot, most of them go back up into
the south mountains on higher ground where it's where it's
somewhat cooler. Then in the winter it's the reverse. They
come off of the high ground where it's the coldest

(01:29:53):
in back back down here. And that proved to be
absolutely the case. When it gets cold around here, at
least four or five nights out of the week, I'm
going to go outside of late and I'm going to
hear at least one or two things a tree now
or vocalizations or what have you. And I think they

(01:30:14):
do migrate with the seasons. I think they migrate if
one area drives up as far as with say deer,
for example, they'll just move on.

Speaker 4 (01:30:24):
Kind of follow the herds almost like how the natives do.
Do you think or did I mean as they do?
But do you think that tree breaks and things like
that are a lot of the same symbolism that the
natives used to use where they bent trees, where you
could still go into some woods nowadays and still see
trees that are perfectly bent, because that was a sign

(01:30:46):
or a symbol from that that the natives used to
tell where they were. You think some of them could
be you.

Speaker 1 (01:30:52):
Know, the same, definitely the same school of thought, yes, yeah, absolutely, yeah.
And far as the hunting techniques, one of the hunting
techniques is you would have the you would have the
watchers or the ambush party, and then you would have
the chasers or the drivers, and so the ambush party

(01:31:12):
would set up at a choke point like at a holler,
like the entrance to a holler, and the chasers would
would run the game toward them as they and then
as they would hint enter the kill zone where it's
where they started being funneled, that's when that that's when
that they would get their kills. And I think that
to this day from the evidence I've seen with my

(01:31:34):
own eyes five hundred yards from my back my backyard,
is that the Sasquatches still do that very same thing.
That's how they kill the majority of their deer, right
and then the Native Americans and other cultures around the
world use that same technique.

Speaker 4 (01:31:53):
Yeah yeah, yeah. Going up uh through Montana and stuff
like that, being a truck driver, there's areas that you
could go visit, uh they called buffalo jumps where the
natives would funnel buffalo into this area. Then they would

(01:32:15):
fall off a cliff and and and it would kill
the buffalo. Then they'd go down there and they would
clean and do whatever right there. So they've they've found,
you know, thousands upon thousands of bones and stuff in
there because that was one of the jumps that they
used to push them into funnel them down into that
jump and make them jump off that cliff. Pretty crazy,

(01:32:38):
but you know, you do whatever you do when you
when you're hungry. Uh So, the Land between the Lakes? Yeah,
how does that stack up between all the other stuff
that you've ever done? And I guess, you know, I

(01:33:02):
guess I could also ask you, is this the first
time that you had ever been there during during this
time that you had went? But how does it stack
up between that week that you were there and what
you've done previous? Uh in all the years that you've
done it before.

Speaker 1 (01:33:18):
Well, there's a similarity that I expected that that turned
out to be true, was, you know, like it is
here in the South Mountains area. There's a lot of
other things that go on as well, paranormal wise, ghost stories,
accounts of which is practicing, black magic, demons, black eyed.

(01:33:40):
There's even a story that I collected from from a
man who whose wife had an encounter with black eyed
children on the western end of the South Mountains. But
I knew I knew enough about the Land between the Lakes.
I studied up on it to know that it was
a supernatural hotspot. Yeah, And once I got there, I

(01:34:03):
absolutely felt that before I had a single experience. I
felt it as soon as we got into that place,
and then when the sun went down that night, I
honestly I was regretting having put my tent so close
to the woodline, but I could feel it. And we
went several places within the Land between the Lakes, and yeah,

(01:34:25):
it was my first trip. I didn't even know what
the Land between the Lakes was. A year ago. The
guys on the Insidi show one night started talking about
the LBL. I said, I got a question, what's the LBL.

Speaker 5 (01:34:38):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:34:40):
We're gonna have to tell you about the l b
L now. But anyway, I read a good bit about
it over the past year and watched a lot of documentaries,
especially what the small Town Monster documentaries they've done.

Speaker 4 (01:34:54):
And Martin Grooves, Yes, y and his books are amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:35:02):
Absolutely. That was a highlight of the whole trip, was
not only getting to meet Martin Groves, but hanging around
with him every day and make friends with him. Yeah,
that guy, he's the real deal. He's got a couple
of the buddies that know the l BILL like the
back of their hands, Mark Roberts and Mike Smith, and
getting to know those guys and just setting and listening

(01:35:24):
to the experiences these people have.

Speaker 3 (01:35:27):
It's just amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:35:29):
Yeah, I would say it far more up there in
the land between the lakes. It's far more concentrated. Plus
it's it's it seems to be a different type of
experience with the cryptids. The graveyards. There's over two hundred
and thirty I want to say two hundred and thirty
two known graveyards in the LBL. Martin said, there's probably

(01:35:53):
more than that that has been overgrown. Now it's a
land of unrest. I feel like it's a cursed land
because they forced the people off that property to damn
the river up. But that the first day that we
went out, me and Tim Dill's, Robert Effer and George Lunford,

(01:36:14):
we went to graveyard Mount Pleasant Cemetery and we kind
of explored the woods around Mount Pleasant Cemetery. First. There
was remains of an old work camp there, and guys,
I know it when I feel it. There was a
supernatural presence there, a ghostly presence, of demonic presence, I
don't know, but there was a spiritual presence there. As

(01:36:37):
we looked at the ruins of these old buildings, and
we were walking back up one of the dirt roads,
heading back toward the graveyard, and each of us heard
voices coming from down below us in the small holler.
We were able to see the bottom of that holler,
and clearly there was nobody down there. I had experienced

(01:37:01):
a couple of supernatural paranormal things in my lifetime, and
that's the first time I actually ever ever heard something
that was some kind of disembodied spirit or something mm hmm.
It freaked me out a little bit. And then we
started going up. We explored that graveyard with respect and
and you know, given given the graves there, the respect

(01:37:23):
that the graves are due, and I had a feeling there.
Robert Effler physically got sick and he had to walk
out of the graveyard and and he had some type
of device where he was he was looking through it
and scanning the graveyard, and it could it had the
potential for showing parent super spiritual activity, but it was

(01:37:48):
spiritual activity over a certain grave. And I went and
looked at that grave and it was actually a Medal
of Honor winner from the Civil War. This guy was
given the Medal of Honor many many years later in
the year two thousand. But someone had taken a grinder,

(01:38:10):
the brass, the brass foot marker m H a lot
of a lot of graves and the unit information, the
unit that that soldier had served in in the Civil
War had been ground off and it was fresh. You
could tell from the metal that it was fairly fresh.
And that was the grave showing the spiritual activity above it.

(01:38:35):
And I believe that whoever, I don't know why they
would want to do it, that came in to ground
that information off to a soldier having been in the military,
your unit is something you're proud of. And I was
the second, everyone very proud of that to have the
unit ground off. I mean, I don't know what that
would do spiritually, but it done something supernaturally that upsets

(01:38:57):
something there. And I saw the evidence, and I went
down and Robert showed us all with it with that device,
and we were clearly seeing it over that one grave
and of that one grave only. That was the deepest
I had ever been in any kind of paranormal in investigation. Now,
if Robert started off as a paranormal investigator, I believe

(01:39:21):
his his crew was called Go Dark paranormal and then
he wound up, but he's you know, he's he's accomplished
that it. George Lunsford is is pretty good with the
paranormal stuff. A couple other members of the team are
as well. The the first night that the night before that,

(01:39:44):
we were hearing the vocalizations from up up on high
Ground and incidentally there was a graveyard up there as well,
and the vocalization was this fairly pitiful attempt at trying
to mimic.

Speaker 3 (01:39:58):
An out h M.

Speaker 1 (01:40:02):
It sounds like I kept asking myself on into the night.
I would wake up and hear it and think, all right,
is that a squatch? Is that a booger? Is that
a ghost? What is that? I mean? It sounded otherworldly.

Speaker 4 (01:40:19):
Yeah, see, that's that's.

Speaker 1 (01:40:22):
Amazing that it gave me. It was the feelings that
it gave me. Yeah, super creep that.

Speaker 4 (01:40:30):
That's incredible. We want to go, you know, we're not
that far away from it, That's what's what's funny. But
we want to go and actually do you know some
investigation work up there on both sides of it, in
the paranormal side, because like you said, we've we've heard
tons of stories of of the paranormal activity that happens there.

(01:40:54):
M hmm. But I just find it amazing because, like
you said, at your place, there's an old graveyard there
and then you have a lot of bigfoot activity. Do
you find that to be so more not more than
not where there's bigfoot activity near these cemeteries, because it

(01:41:15):
seems like a lot of times I hear people talk
about cemeteries and I'll hear bigfoot sightings.

Speaker 1 (01:41:21):
Yeah, that's a common thing.

Speaker 3 (01:41:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:41:24):
I think the best account that I've heard involving that
was on the show, and y'all may have seen it,
called These Woods Are Haunted.

Speaker 4 (01:41:33):
Mm hm.

Speaker 1 (01:41:35):
Yes, that's my favorite all time series. I've watched every
episode like a hundred times. But in the first season,
there was these two guys who were just getting into
bigfoot and they bought some nice equipment and everything, and
they went out into an old graveyard deep into the woods,
and all hell broke loose, and those I kind of

(01:41:57):
got the impression that those squatches were being we're being
protective of that graveyard. And they also say, I don't
know where y'all stand on the subject of dog men,
but they say that dog men sightings are especially prevalent
around graveyards, and that's what they say about the LBL.

Speaker 4 (01:42:18):
Yes, there's a lot of death attributed to dog Man
in the LBL. And what's funny is that, you know,
Jason and I've we've done the Bigfoot conference there in
Gatlinburg for six years and it wasn't but a few

(01:42:38):
years ago. We actually had someone come up to our
tent and was like, hey, you know, what do you
think about big or about dog Man? And I'm like,
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:42:49):
That's the first time I ever heard the term dog man.

Speaker 4 (01:42:52):
Yeah, And so we started kind of doing a bunch
of research into it, and I'll have to admit at
first I was pretty skeptical because I'm like, if you
think about it, you can see where Bigfoot at some

(01:43:12):
point could have been in the family tree and whatever, right,
because of the Ape lineage and all that stuff. But
where does a dog man come in?

Speaker 1 (01:43:23):
You know?

Speaker 4 (01:43:24):
But I think once you start thinking about the big picture,
and that's why I don't try to put any boxes
around anything anymore. Once you start thinking about the big
picture and you start thinking about you know, are these
things inter dimensional? Are these things popping in from somewhere else?
Do they not really reside here. We can just they

(01:43:46):
come here every once in a while. Then it opens
up a world of possibilities, you know, yeah, and so
then anything's possible. These people who see they say they
see dinosaurs. That's ppopt.

Speaker 1 (01:44:02):
You know, yeah, exactly. And the whole subject of portals
fascinates me. I had heard stories of people hearing a
very strange metallic sound in the woods and that sound
being associated with portals opening and closing. And one night

(01:44:22):
the guys from Dirty South squatching that that I'm also
a part of, with Tim Me, Tim Diale's, Bob Trent
and Dwight Campbell, they came to set up all their equipment,
and let me tell you, those guys have got some
good equipment. We set up in Creek Bottom that night
we recorded that metallic sound. Really sounded like a dumpster

(01:44:43):
being slammed in the middle of the Appalachian Foothills, hardwood forest.
What's going to sound like a dumpster slamming there?

Speaker 7 (01:44:52):
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:44:52):
A metallic sound is very there's no mistaking.

Speaker 5 (01:44:57):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:44:59):
Some people have reported more of us, like the sound
of metallic cook wear clinging together. All the way up
to what I just described was hearing the sound like
a dump truck gate slamming or dumps for slamming.

Speaker 4 (01:45:15):
And I know that I've heard of people who also
have heard those that have been close enough to it
that also will get this ozone smell that comes off
of that too, which is kind of an interesting thing
to throw into the mix of all that, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:45:33):
I'm sure, I'm sure you've heard of Scott Carpenter.

Speaker 1 (01:45:36):
I have.

Speaker 3 (01:45:37):
Yeah, he's got some really interesting footage. He's passed away now,
but I think his son has taken over, you know,
most of his research, but he does. He's got some
really interesting footage about portals and I think he even
captured one opening up and something was coming out of

(01:45:59):
it die, I swear. But it's an interesting video he's got.

Speaker 1 (01:46:05):
Well, for all all those people out there that that
you know, they're going to always start throwing science in
our face, like we're idiots or something. Yes, the bitterness
is coming out a little bit in it. I'll try
to tamp that back down, but yeah, they want to
talk about science.

Speaker 7 (01:46:21):
Well.

Speaker 1 (01:46:23):
Quantum physics says that it is it is very likely
that other dimensions exist. Yes, and other dimensions exist. That
means that that we have to have a boundary to them,
or even even cross. You know, the dimensions will cross
through each other, or there's openings between or wormholes between dimensions,

(01:46:47):
and that is so far beyond our understanding that, right,
you know, tonight here in November of twenty twenty five,
we're talking about a metallic sound. Well, heck, in twenty
years they might have that solved and say, well, the
portal opens and then then it closes and there's a
displacement and it causes just like a sonic boom, it

(01:47:09):
causes this giant sound. Yes, but it's scientific, It really
is scientific, yes.

Speaker 4 (01:47:15):
Yes, yeah, And you know we've done some shows on
the many world's theories and and and stuff, and when
you start getting into quantum physics and that kind of science,
it starts getting into mind bending things because then you
have to understand that every time you make a decision,

(01:47:42):
every day, you branch off another line off of your line.
Because when you decided to go this way, there's a
version of you that went that way. When you decided
not to stop here to eat pizza, you went ahead
and went another five miles down the road, there's a

(01:48:03):
version of you that stopped and every one of those
branches off infinitely, and so when you start talking about
that infinitely backwards and forwards, anything's possible. And then the
fact that these other worlds are less than a paper's

(01:48:25):
you know, thickness away from each other, the possibilities of
these things been able to open up and interchange in
between the two are also the same. We did a
show a few months back on quantum immortality, and what

(01:48:53):
it pretty much states is that have you ever had
a dream that you were drowning and just before you died,
you will, Okay, well, see you actually died, but your
soul or the energy that makes you traveled from that
person to who you are today, and and uh, so

(01:49:17):
you didn't die, but you were consolidated into this other
form and uh and so it's I don't know, it
could get into some mind bending things, but but it's true.
It's it's there, you know exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:49:35):
And people will yeah, I'm a I didn't mention this,
but I'm I'm also a Pentecostal preacher. And people will say, well,
I just don't think that all of this jobs with
with our faith. And my answer to that is simple
and regardless of what anybody's faith is. But in particular,
you know the faith that I practice. I look at

(01:49:56):
him and say, okay, hold on a minute. So you
have got our creator, are so figured out that you
know all of our creators limitations and boundaries and all
of that. Well, my Bible doesn't say anything about bigfoot
or and I disagree with that. I think it does,
but or these dimensions or whatever. I said. Well, the

(01:50:18):
Bible wasn't meant to be an explain an explain all
catch all books. It's got the answers in it that
the Creator intended, intended us for us to know about.
And then there's so many things that he didn't cut
us in on. Guys, you know what I'm saying. Yes,

(01:50:39):
so you got the scientifics here and then over here
I got to I got to folks saying, well, you're
supposed to be a Christian, you believe all this, and
I think you're wrong. And that's their entitled their opinion.
I respect that, But yes, I know I don't have
myself figured out much less the Good Lord or Bigfoot
or ghost or dog men or wortals or any of it.

Speaker 4 (01:51:01):
Yes, yeah, and that's what we like to say. You know,
That's all we're doing is searching for the truth right
every interview and every story we collect and everything that
we do. That's why, you know, I'm sure you even
do these things, is because everything is like another piece

(01:51:24):
of that puzzle, and it starts bringing the sharpness in
on that picture to where you could start getting actual,
baby defined edges and you could start understanding a little
bit more about it. And everyone's while you're throwing a
while a curveball or something, and you're like, man, where
did that come from?

Speaker 6 (01:51:41):
You know?

Speaker 4 (01:51:41):
But I think in this day and age too, where
we have too many people that are in it for themselves.
So you know, oh, I don't want you to let
you in on my research or my research area, or
my this or my that, because that's mine. You know,

(01:52:04):
I honestly believe that if we want to find out
who it is or what Bigfoot is or any of
this stuff is, we need a long term groups whatever
it is three four or five people that go for
a month and then the next group comes in for

(01:52:25):
a month. You have twelve groups that just interchange for
a whole year. They will stake a place out and
that's all they do. And I think that we would,
you know, when you're only limited to a week here,
a week there, a day here, a day there. I
mean that's like catching you know, that elusive fox that

(01:52:48):
that you know lives around you because it's stolen some chickens.
But but you only go outside at three o'clock every
day and then you walk back in. You know, you're
you're not going to see it. That fox is smarter
than you, you know. But if you set out there,
you set out there and you watch, you're going to
see that fox come in, you know. And uh, and

(01:53:09):
I don't know, but but too many people get get
tied up on this, you know, mind, mind, mind mine.
They don't want to share their work or anything. And
you're not going to any field. And that's the paranormal
all the way over. I don't think any of this
stuff can ever be furthered, quicker, or better than if

(01:53:32):
everybody just threw it all in a pot and said,
this is what I have, this is how I get
this information, this is how I've gotten all this stuff.
And then you start discerning that stuff out and then
build a better mouse trap, you know, And and uh,
because if everybody goes out there on the same page
and is doing the same research, it just helps us

(01:53:55):
all out. That's my little three minutes of sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:54:03):
I'm with you one hundred percent. Even going back into
the Golden the four horsemen of Yes, Peter Burn and
John Green and renade A. Hendon and Grover Kranz. I mean,
those guys were maybe the four greatest minds to ever

(01:54:26):
ever work on this subject. But those guys didn't get
along with one right right, And there was especially a
nasty relationship between a couple of them. So imagine if
they had completely and totally worked together. I'll tell you
what was really encouraging. When we went to Land between

(01:54:47):
the Lakes, you had n C. I was there, and
then another group was there, and and everybody got along.
We shared information, you know, we let each other in
on stuff. We went out with them and they went
out to us. It was great. But you don't see
that everywhere because people get so possessive. And I hate

(01:55:11):
to tell the Bigfoot don't like ugly right.

Speaker 4 (01:55:16):
Right well, And you know, one of our greatest things
as humans we don't like to dwell on it, I
don't think, but is the fact that we can we
do have speech, we can communicate very well with each other,
we can plan. You know, we can do all these
things if we would just put our egos aside for

(01:55:39):
a minute, just set those at the door before you
walk in, and go with the game plan. And you know,
everybody be damned about what it is. But we got
this game plan, and we're going to prove that X
exists or or just something. You know, think that we'd

(01:56:00):
get it done. We're just too smart, you know. I mean,
we've got things in space. I mean, you was in
the military. You got to see, you know, weapons and
things that they were using before, you know, probably before
people out here in the real world knew that they
even existed, you know. And and so we're we're we're
very smart when it comes to things, but for some reason,

(01:56:23):
we're just not very well working with each other sometimes,
you know. And I think that ego has a lot to.

Speaker 5 (01:56:29):
Do with it.

Speaker 1 (01:56:30):
An ego, that pride and that ego and that arrogance
is is talks is poisonous? Is pausing us?

Speaker 4 (01:56:36):
Yes, sir, it is.

Speaker 1 (01:56:39):
It is.

Speaker 4 (01:56:39):
And that's one thing that we've got to learn how
to how to get up get around is that ego.
That's hard.

Speaker 3 (01:56:48):
Well, we got like three three minutes left.

Speaker 4 (01:56:54):
We're gonna let you well it is already gone.

Speaker 3 (01:56:56):
Yeah, I know. It's been a good show man, get
a lot of good.

Speaker 4 (01:57:00):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (01:57:01):
If you want to give out you know, your channel
and everything about you for people to find you, you
can do that.

Speaker 1 (01:57:10):
Thank you guys for having me. It was an honor.

Speaker 3 (01:57:12):
I was.

Speaker 1 (01:57:13):
I was so excited when we got to date. Said
sorry about the one I canceled, but I had to
go unexpected out to go to help my son.

Speaker 4 (01:57:21):
It happens.

Speaker 3 (01:57:22):
Yeah, I didn't know that you had canceled, and I
was saying, are we're still own for nine I didn't.
I sorry about that. I didn't even look at the emails.

Speaker 1 (01:57:34):
Sor right. I am bad at not looking at emails either.
I am notorious about that. My own personal show started
on TikTok and I still post my episodes there under
j period are period Millwood now the same. The same
episodes are on YouTube, it's just under a different name

(01:57:55):
Rebels Dark Tales of Appalachia, and recently I branched out
and did a series of Rebels Dark Tales of the
Coastal Carolinas. I'm twice a week. I'm on the NCI
Show on the channel twelve TV network of streaming service
that you can find on your Roku and Cromecast and
all of that. And I also do a show on

(01:58:16):
on Channel twelve by myself called Truth, Justice and Sarcasm,
which is basically me ranting and raving for about thirty
to forty five minutes.

Speaker 3 (01:58:26):
Well, good check it out.

Speaker 1 (01:58:28):
Yeah yeah, Randy, the producer told me, you can talk
about anything you want to. Nothing's off limits. So one
week I may be talking politics, and last week I
did a I did a sermon. So you can friend
me on Facebook. Jerey Millwood Junior. I'm going to accept

(01:58:48):
friends until I hit the limit on five thousand because
I want that work. I want to talk to people.
My very favorite thing, guys, my favorite thing, the love
I have in all of this, besides from me in
the woods, is getting to hear people's accounts. Yes, that
is the thing that I truly love. That's how we learn,

(01:59:10):
and I want to make all the contacts I can,
and I just appreciate the people who've come along such
as you guys who I instantly had a bond with
and and felt like I got known of you guys forever.

Speaker 4 (01:59:22):
Yes, yeah, we are we when we first got to
talk to you, I was like, man, that Jerry was
an awesome guy.

Speaker 1 (01:59:29):
You know, I felt the same of you fellas and
your lady. Then those are awesome people. I met Paul
for the first time there, and I felt kind of
felt bonded with Paul, and then so many, so many
over the past year that I've been fortunate to make
friends with. But you guys are top of the list
for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:59:49):
Awesome. Thank you very much. Yeah, we really appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (01:59:53):
Yeah, it means a lot to us. So we're just
out here trying to collect stories and and get information
and hopefully we've not got into investigating Bigfoot yet, but
we plan on going to the LBL at some point.

Speaker 4 (02:00:11):
I've got I've got not vision goggles for a reason.

Speaker 3 (02:00:18):
But it's really great to have you on the show,
and I hope you can come back sometime in the future.

Speaker 1 (02:00:25):
I'll be glad to you guys.

Speaker 4 (02:00:26):
Just work absolutely all, right, man, word word word word
word word.

Speaker 3 (02:00:33):
I got your email or and your Facebook messenger. I'll
I'll reach out to you again. Yeah, yeah, we'll set
something up for.

Speaker 1 (02:00:42):
Reach out in guys, and I just enjoy hearing from you.

Speaker 3 (02:00:46):
Yeah, we'll see you January thirty, first too, down there
at the premiere.

Speaker 4 (02:00:51):
Yes, yes, we'll see him and Greg and Natalie and
all of them.

Speaker 3 (02:00:58):
So great people.

Speaker 1 (02:00:59):
Yeah, they're be a crew down there. It'll be awesome.

Speaker 4 (02:01:02):
Yeah, Okay, we're gonna have fun. We're gonna go there
the day before and hang out and then we're gonna
leave on Sunday.

Speaker 3 (02:01:10):
Yep, so good, all right, Jerry, thank you, all right,
my brother, y'all take care, God bless and I look
forward to seeing you.

Speaker 4 (02:01:21):
Yes, sir, you too. You have a good night, good night,
have a good thanksgiving.

Speaker 1 (02:01:28):
You as well.

Speaker 3 (02:01:29):
Thank you.

Speaker 7 (02:01:35):
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