August 28, 2025 • 47 mins
In the sun-scorched expanse of New Mexico, a rugged peak holds a secret that has defied logic, consumed fortunes, and ignited a multi-generational quest. This is the story of Victorio Peak, where a prospector's audacious discovery of a vast treasure hoard was met with a catastrophic betrayal by the very mountain that held it. Dive into a tale of a hidden cavern filled with skeletons and Spanish gold, of a man who died for his secret, and of a family's relentless, decades-long battle against a government that claims the treasure never existed. Is it a legend born of greed, a historical conspiracy, or simply the most incredible unsolved mystery of the American West?
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Speaker 1 (01:01):
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Speaker 1 (01:40):
Oh all right, hey everybody, welcome to this Thursday night.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Yes, we got an awesome show for you tonight. Jason
Jason kind of found this and like, hey, let's just
show on it. I'm like, hey, that's interesting.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
I mean it's nothing paranormal. But no, it's very interesting, interesting,
And we've done a show similar to this before. Yeah. So,
I mean this story really captivated me. I've watched it
a documentary about it. I thought we should do a
story about it. But it's nothing paranormal. I mean, it's
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just history.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yes, well it's little treasure and history.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Yeah, a little treasure in history. There's sugar Mama waving
in the window.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Is she I can't see?
Speaker 1 (02:34):
So we're gonna be talking about victory o Peak. I
don't know if anybody's heard of that or not, but
it's a story of Doc Noss and Babe Noss. It's
a treasure story. So the story of the Victoria Peak treasure.
It's multi generational, relentless quest that began with one man
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and it consumed the lives of his entire family. It
continues to this day. It's a tale of an alleged discovery,
a tragic murder, and an epic legal and political battle
against guests. Who the government, the man, the man. Yeah,
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we love these stories.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Yes, So there's a stage of volcanic and tectonic activity.
Victoria Peak is not an isolated mountain, but a distinct
geological formation within a larger active landscape. It is part
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of a basin and a range province, a vast area
of the western United States and northwestern Mexico characterized by
a series of north south trending mountain ranges which are
separated by flat valleys. Now, this landscape was formed over
the last thirty million years by the stretching and thinning
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of the Earth's crust. Now, as the Earth's crust pulled apart,
it created a series of parallel faults causing blocks of
the land to tilt and rise, thus the ranges now,
while others dropped and became basins. So Victoria Peak itself
is believed to be a volcanic dome or a volcanic neck.
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It's a structure formed from the slow extrusion of highly
viscous magma. Now, this type of volcanic activity can create
a complex internal structures, including lava tubes, fissures, and caves,
which could plausibly serve as natural vaults. Now, the rock
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of the peak is ignius prodigenous, so it's a type
of rock formed from cooled lava. Now, while this rock
doesn't typically contain gold ore, the geological activity in the
region has created hydrothermal systems where mineral rich hot water
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rises through fissures and deposits valuable minerals like gold, silver,
and copper in veins. So the land itself provides a
plausible geological backdrop for the existence of a naturally occurring
cavern or a rich mineral deposit. However, this treasure story
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is not about a natural gold vein. It's about a
cache of processed, refined gold bars. Now, this leads us
to the historical theories about this and its origin. So
how did the treasure get there?
Speaker 1 (06:00):
How did it get there? We got like three theories
that could be possible.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
I mean anything's possible.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
So on the show you watch, do they have theories?
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Yeah? Well yeah, because I mean they they pull up
out of this cavern, swords, all kinds of jewelry. It
looks like, you know, it's somebody's stuff that that has
been raided or something, you know. So the first theory, uh,
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is the Spanish colonial horde. Now this is the most
popular and romantic theory. What's up, Stephen, We're talking about, Uh,
Victorio's Victorio Peak and the story of Doc Nass and
Babe Nos. So this theory suggests the treasure was masked
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by the Spanish during their colonial rule of New Mexico
from fifteen ninety eight to eighteen twenty one. Now, the
Spanish were avid prospectors, and their historical records mentioned significant
mining operations in the region. So the theory proposes that
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the treasure could be from a royal bullyon train, a
shipment of gold and silver being transported from a rich
Spanish mine in Mexico to the southwest to Santa Fe
or beyond. Now, such shipments could have been intercepted by
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the Apache, Okay, the Apache tribes and the surviving soldiers
or friars could have sealed it in the cavern to
hide it. You know. This is supported by Doc Noss's
claim of finding skeletons in Spanish air armor.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Many stories tell of priests or friars who secretly mine
gold and silver to fund their missions. When facing hostile
tribes or political unrest, they would have buried their wealth
to keep it from falling into the wrong hands. The
remote and inaccessible location of victori O Peak makes it
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the perfect hiding spot for such a secret. Okay, now
that's just one of the theories.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
So that's theory one.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
What's this? Theory two is my favorite, and that's yours.
You can you can take it.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
So theory two says it may be Apache war chest.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Yes, So.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Is this where what the family believes it is.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Yeah, the family thinks it's was native tribes of Apache
that would rob people coming through there and take their
hoarding and stash it in this sacred place. Because they
they pulled out swords, jewels, there was some gold bars.
(09:40):
I don't want to get into the story right now,
But they were all there were seven different brands of
gold bars, like from seven different people for seven different civilizations.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Okay, that's that's interesting. So now theory two attributes the
treasure to the Apache themselves. So Chief Victorio, for whom
the peak is named, and his warriors were famous for
their raids on Mexican and American settlements, also on stage
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coaches and military outposts. Now, they were highly skilled at
using their terrain to their advantage, and it is very
plausible that they could have accumulated a significant amount of
wealth from these raids. The gold and other valuables could
be spoils of war taken from stage coaches, military payrolls,
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or settlements. Now, the Apache would have needed a secure,
secret location to store their wealth, and the isolated Victorio
Peak would have served that purpose perfectly. That's interesting.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Yeah, that's my favorite, you know theory, because I do
believe that the Apache did raid everybody that came through there.
So we have one more theory. Oh, baby girl a
little bit late, started my popcorn. Yes, well, to let
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you in on it, we're talking about Victoria Peak. It's
not really paranormal, but we I myself wanted to do
this story because it's a good story.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Hell, and it's a story of Doc and Babe NSS
treasure hunt. And we're right now, we're at the theory part.
So we're going to be telling the story here in
just a minute. So theory three would be the Mexican
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Imperial Treasure. So now this theory is less common, but
it's still intriguing. It's linked to the brief and chaotic
reign of Emperor Maximilian. Now this is something that they
did bring up, and it okay, we'll get to it.
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I don't want to spoil it. Maximilian the first of
Mexico in the eighteen sixties. So after the French invasion,
Maximilion attempted to establish a European monarchy, but he was
eventually overthrown and executed. And the theory suggests that Maximilian's
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lotalist loyalist, loyalist or sympathetic Mexican military officers. Facing defeat,
they secretly moved a large portion of the Imperial treasure
north to New Mexico and they was trying to keep
it out of the hands of, you know, the opposing forces.
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So this horde was then buried and sealed within the peak,
waiting for a chance to be recovered that never came. Now,
the story of the Victoria Peak treasurer is generational, a
relentless quest that began with one man and consumed the
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lives of his entire family. It's a tale of an
alleged discovery, the tragic murder of its discoverer, and the
epic legal battle. So let me elaborate on this Maximilian treasure.
So Maximilian was the emperor, right, the Mexican emperor. His
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wife had a crown and it was full of jewels.
And one of the pieces that were recovered by Doc
and Babe was a crown with She said it had
all kinds of precious stones and then one black something
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like obsidian or something that wasn't obsidian. It was maybe
like a black ruby, I don't know, something like that.
But they actually found that, and I just wanted to mention.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
That, Wow, that's interesting.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Yeah, Stephen says, there's there's a story he heard a
lot growing up about a tunnel that goes under the
river that goes to an old round house in Teleco
to a mansion. I think I've heard that story on
the other side of the river. It's about where they
built the the bridge over the river. Supposedly the Confederates
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used it to smuggle guns and the famous Confederate gold
black emerald I think that's what it was, black emerald
one in the center of the crown. It was a.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Yeah, black op only ever seen green emeralds.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
So this man lost his life over this treasure. It's crazy.
So we're gonna start telling.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Does the family still have pieces of this treasure?
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Apparently they do, I mean they're still the last the
last information about it was the family was trying to
get access to the side again from the government, so
hopefully they'll get They were this close to finding the
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cavern feet away and the military came in and said, nope,
shut it down. So baby girl says, the roundhouse is
on the right side of the road going up the river,
and this is in where's just that von Or or Teleco?
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That's interesting?
Speaker 2 (16:20):
That is interesting.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
So David's going to start the story. I mean, this
is yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
So the story belongs to Milton ernest or Doc Noss
and his wife Ova Babe Noss Now. In November of
nineteen thirty seven, while on a deer hunting trip in
New Mexico's Mbrello Basin, Doc Noss discovered a man made
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shaft leading into Victoria Peak. Now he descended into the
ar and he found a labyrinth of caverns and a
very macabre scene. There were dozens of human skeletons, some
of which were tied to stakes. Now the real discovery, however,
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was the immense treasure hoarde. Now, according to Doc and
Babe's accounts, the caverns held Spanish colonial artifacts, jewels, gold
statue of the Virgin Mary, and most incredibly, thousands of
blackened iron bars. It was Babe who, upon seeing one
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of the bars, insisted Doc clean it. Now the act
revealed a brilliant, solid gold bar, confirming a find of
biblical proportions. Now, the couple estimated the hoard to be
around sixteen thousand bars, a potential value of billions of
dollars in the thirties.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Yeah, so, I mean, imagine hundreds of billions dinding sixteen
thousand gold bars, dude, plus all these other article I
might never sleep hall in that stuff. Apparently they were
doing it quite a bit, but it was it was
one I ain't gonna rise the story up.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
So now for the next two years, the couple worked
in secret, living in a tent at the base of
the peak. Doc, a wiry man, was the only one
small enough to fit down the narrow shaft, while Babe,
a larger woman, assisted from the surface. Now, Doc would
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retrieve two bars at a time, along with other artifacts,
including a crown with two hundred and forty three diamonds.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Yeah, that's the crown.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
He was deeply paranoid, hiding the retrieved gold in various
secret caches around the desert, refusing to even tell Babe
the locations. Now. The first act of greed, however, was
not from an outsider, but from Nos himself. Impatient to
access the full treasure, he decided in nineteen thirty nine
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to use dynamite to widen the entrance to the shaft,
now the blast. A catastrophic miscalculation caused a massive cave in,
selling the entrance and trapping the majority of the treasure inside.
Now the couple was effectively locked out of their fortune.
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The subsequent years were a spiral of desperation. The Gold
Reserve Act of nineteen thirty four made it illegal for
private citizens to own gold bullyon, forcing Doc to deal
with the black market now. The strain led to his
and Babe's divorce in nineteen forty five. Doc's request to
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re access the peak ended tragically on March fifth, nineteen
forty nine, when he was shot and killed by a
business associate named Charlie Ryan during a heated argument over
the treasure. Doc Noss died with only two dollars and
sixteen cents in his pocket.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
That's a shame, yeah, And he died with the knowledge
of where he hid those gold bars.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
So all the stuff that already over those years where
he hit everything, including the crown, I guess.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Go. And that's where this guy Charlie was. He was
trying to get Doctor tell him where he put where
he hid the gold bars and stuff on the ranch,
and he wouldn't do it. So Doc went over to
his house, as I remember it, and knocked on the
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door and Charlie Ryan came out and pulled a gun
on him. So Doc ran back to his car to
try to get his pistol and shot him in the back,
killed him, and he died right there. Nobody knows where
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it went.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Wow, baby girl says, two dollars are still a lot
of money back then, Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Yeah, Stephen says, always sure. It was a business associate.
So the family's crusade, which was Babe and her heirs.
With Doc's death, the treasure hunt was taken over by
of course it was his ex wife, now Babe and
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her children. So she became the matriarch of the search,
dedicating the remainder of her life to fighting for her
family's claim. Now, her legal battles were complicated by a
major development after World War Two, Victoria Peak. Guess what
it was incorporated into the White Sands Missile Range, a
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highly restricted military installation. Absolutely, and the mountain was now
off limits. But you know, she refused to give up,
and for decades she lobbied officials, wrote to presidents, and
filed numerous lawsuits, and her relentless pursuit attracted media attention
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and kept the story alive despite the government's consistent denial
of the treasure's existence. Babe's tenacity was fueled by eyewitness accounts. Now,
these were eyewitness accounts of this treasure from military personnel,
because they were outstre watching them for some time, pulling
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this stuff up.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Huh, So I doubt if it was ever there there now.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Yeah, they got it. Yeah, So some of the personnel
stationed at White Sands who claimed to have seen gold
bars and other artifacts in caves, suggested a secret government
operation to remove the gold.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Guarantee that.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
So in the seventies, Babe's persistent efforts to lead led
to a major breakthrough. Under pressure from Congress, the US
Army approved a highly publicized expedition in nineteen seventy seven
known as Operation Goldfinder.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Gold Finger one million dollars.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
I don't know. This is in New Mexico. So Babe
and her family was present when they were doing this,
and the military used a lot of heavy equipment and
modern technology to search for the sealed cavern. However, weeks
of searching, they found nothing, and the official report concluded
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that the treasure didn't exist. Yeah, they had already found it. So,
unwavering in her belief, Babe continued her fight until her
death in nineteen seventy nine, and the torch was then
passed to the next generation, primarily her grandson Terry Delones.
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So this is there had to be something there for
this whole family to go through this.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
What's funny to me is that you know, all of
what they found before is hidden somewhere on their ranch. Yeah,
why wouldn't you go searching your ranch because they've got
metal detectors that can I'm going to track pretty dang
far down, and they could distinguish between ferris and non
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Ferish metals.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
You know. I think the whole ranch may be the range, right,
the missile range. I'm not sure if they took all
the land or just that peak right.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Well, I mean from the sounds of it, that peak
was never theirs. They were just hunting there. Yeah, and
they set up camp.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Well, I think the military annexed it after the war,
right and incorporated into the White Sands missile range.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Right, It's probably just a place you could go hunting
and do all kinds of stuff up until that point.
So I would start looking for the crap that they hid,
because she knows everything that they hid.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yeah, well, he was part of it. Well, it said
that he didn't even tell her where he hid.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Well, that's what I'm saying. But she knows what was
pulled up though. Yeah, and well, and he did sell
some of it off because he said that he seld
it to black markets and stuff like that. But there
still had to be quite a bit of it there
for him to die with two dollars in his pocket.
He didn't sell a lot of it, no, because even
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on the black market he could have got more than
that for a gold bar.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Steven says, y'all need to hear the theory from that
from Wait a minute, where'd I go.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
A little bit?
Speaker 1 (26:25):
I need to hear the theory from the guys at
Appalachian Intelligence about how some of these families in Appalachia
to find old spirits and to harvest the material in
the mountains that is older than bones. There's even a
famous gold people have tried to find from Appalachia. Huh.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Yeah. I heard a story that and if I'm not mistaken,
it was Eddie from Legends and Lord that told me
something about a story of some gold that was hidden
and it's right around this area somewhere here in East Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Yeah. Stephen mentioned that Eddie told him that same story.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Yeah, and that him and another guy have gone before
Metal Detective trying to find it. But I think there's
quite a few people that have tried to find us.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Cherokee stole the gold from Spanish.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Yes, that's the story, yep. And they hit it somewhere.
But no one knows where it is. M Yeah, so
we do have some stuff around here that's like this too.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
I'd like to go on a good treasure hunt. Be fun, yeah, could.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Be rewarding, Yeah, if you find it. Now Terry Delone
grew up steeped in the lore of the treasure. As
head of the ova Nos Family Partnership, he continued his
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grandmother's crusade with renewed vigor. Now his decades long effort
has become a modern day treasure hunt, meticulously documented in
books and media. In the nineties, the ONFP or Ovaanos
Family Partnership was granted a new round of limited access
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to Victoria Peak. Now. This time the family and their
team brought in geologists, historians, and advanced surveying equipment. Now
their searchers or their searches, which lasted several years, were
marked by both hope and frustration. They conducted a series
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of drilling operations and excavations following geological anonymalies that seemed
to match Doc's descriptions. Now, while they never found the
main treasure, they did uncover artifacts and evidence of a
cavern system within the mountain. One of the works was
a significant effort to shift the story from pure folklore
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to more of a scientific investigation. Now, despite their persistent efforts,
Terry Delonus and his family never found the mother load.
They were continually met with resistance from the military and
the complexities of the terrain. The conspiracy theories of government
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seizure of the gold continues to be a you know,
part of the narrative, with Delonus and his supporters suggesting
that any lack of discovery is proof of an earlier
clandestine operation. Now to this day, they maintained its leg
their legal claim to the treasure, and the story of
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Victorio Peak Treasure remains one of the great unsolved mysteries
of the West. And it does kind of show what,
you know, people looking for treasures and lost gold and
stuff like that, how it draws people into those stories,
because heck, it drew you into it, and now it's
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drawn me into it, you know. And also you know,
a family that's dedicated their lives and multi generations to
try to discover it and to retrieve it.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Yeah, the story is really intriguing and I was interested
in and I've watched a documentary. I think you can
watch the documentary on one of the streaming channels. I
can't remember which one, but it's good. It's shows pictures
and everything.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Really. Yeah, I don't know why they don't look for
it on their property. Yeah, because you know, the old
man hit it somewhere somewhere.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
It's out there. Imagine sixteen thousand gold bars. That's a
lot of gold. That's like i'd say said they estimated
it at two point eight billion dollars today, I.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Would say that crown alone, just for its it being
what it was, not even the inherent value of what
was in the crown or what the crown itself was
made of, but just the property itself would make it
worth probably priceless. I mean, it would be a priceless artifact. Yeah,
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you know, and you could put that in aw let
people take pictures of it, and your family would be
wealthy for the rest of their life.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
And no one ever even touched the artifact.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
I think they said that babe took it to get
it appraised the crown and the guy was just amazed,
and and that's how she knew it was had two
hundred and so many diamonds and and one of those
black stones, and uh, they didn't tell her how much
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it was worth, but she said it. They just said
it was very old, so.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
That's insane.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Yeah. I don't know if it has to do anything
with the Confederates, uh, with the help of the Queen
of England moved their gold. It may may be, but
the I think the the indigenous Apaches, it was their.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Hoarde parties went and got the stuff.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
I don't think the original people hid it there because
that the peak was named after an Apache chief and
that was their spot, you know, to do the rituals
and a lot of things, right.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Mm hmm. That's that's interesting. But it's also interesting how
at the beginning, you know, they talk about the the
King of Mexico and the crown, but then they found
this crown. Yeah, so could those men have been moving
it up through there and then they've been raided and
then that beat.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
But what's weird is that they found skeletons with armor
still on, tied to steak tied to steaks.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Yeah, it's pretty wild.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
That's interesting.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
So there you have it. That's our story. That's it,
Victoria Victoria Peak, and it is an unfinished story of
Doc Noss and Babe nos So I hope everybody enjoyed it.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
I thought it was interesting to share with me where
you watched it. So I watch it.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Yeah, I have to look at up again and find it.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Yeah, I've gone them panned in a few places, come
up with a little bit of stuff here and there. Yeah,
just got to know the law when you do it.
If you're doing it in Tennessee, and I think a
lot of states are this way. But you if you're
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painting in a in a like state of Tennessee, you
you don't have to have a license or anything, but
you can get a license. They're free. It doesn't cost
nothing to pan. But you can never touch the walls
of the you know, river or stream or anything. Yep,
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you can't touch them.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
You can't dig in it none. You can dredge in
the water.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
You can dredge, and you could dredge. That's what I
was talking about. As far as the free part. Most
places charge you, like you have to get a sticker.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Or whatever, charge you for the gether some place over
in I think it's Cocher Creek that the visitors visitors center.
You can buy your license and all kinds of gold
stuff to go.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Right and and it's it's really free. So yeah, if
you go through the state, you don't even have to
pay for a license, but dredging you have to have
a license. But again it's free. But you you could
only dredge in the center of the You can't get
towards the banks, you know. Yeah. I was like, you
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know how much money you would spend doing that?
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Got a bit a lot of money. Yeah, you can
and and dislodge a lot of I mean as far
as stuff like that, like gen sing Honey, Hey, I've
done gen singing. I did that for years. My my
uncle did it for a living for a long time.
So and I learned Gensen and.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
The most money you've made from a Gensen hall.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
I had one root that weighed about a pound. Now
it drives about four to one. Back then, it was
going for about fourteen hundred and something dollars a pound tried.
It's probably still somewhere around there, maybe more. But it
was at the top of a hill and it was
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a huge plant. I mean it come up to my waist.
I've never seen one that big before. It was like
the tops on it had eighty five So every year
it grows a new little top. So it's kind of
like a ring of a tree, so he could count.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
So it was eighty five years old.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
And it was this big. It was literally like this,
but then it was at the very top of a hill.
I looked down every year it dropped its berries, and
that sucker all the way down that hill was just gensing.
I had a lot of gen zing. Yeah. Uh no,
(37:09):
I've never been ramped digging.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
I've been wanting to go to that ramp festival they have.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
Oh I like onions, Yeah I do. I can eat onions. Now.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Hey, we got some news we do. David's gonna share
it with you everybody.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
We hope that you enjoyed the show tonight and everything.
Oh my legs, my butt just thinking about Gen singing. Man,
I love digging Gen sing. I haven't done it in years.
But so everybody is familiar with Hold on second, everybody's
(37:50):
familiar with this, right, that's our book, East Tennessee or
East Tennessee Huntings and the War A dish to our
I guess you say it's our second book, but it's
really our first real book.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
So we still have this book, but within this week
we got two books that are coming out yes, sir,
one but two. So the first one is called A
Comprehensive Guide to Paranormal Investigations. It is a very thick book,
very big book. This one will be coming. It's green. Yeah,
(38:34):
it's green. Little let me fix it so people can
see it, man. But where it doesn't say show anything
right now, it says a Comprehensive Guide to Paranormal Investigations.
And it's a really nice book. It's kind of a
paranormal investigations one on one type book. It goes through
(38:56):
everything that you need to know to do paranormal investigations.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Yeah, it goes a little deeper than just the basics.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Yeah, it goes very deep. You could learn the basics,
but it goes further than the basics, much further. So
that one will be coming out within the next week.
And we got one more. This is kind of a
companion book. It's not a book, it's a journal. So
this is the Haunted Ledger. So it's a journal, and
(39:33):
we're very big proponents that if you are going ghost
hunting or anything, you should journal because sometimes you could
find correlations between what you felt what happened and evidence
that you find around. At the same time, and so
page one, page two, and then you could you know,
(39:56):
this is one investigation. Yeah, and and so on and
so forth. There's one hundred investigations in this book that
you could write down.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
Is there one hundred or fifty? No, one hundred, one hundred.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
I think so wait wait, you might be right. There's
only one hundred pages, right, right, So I'm sorry, there's
fifty investigations. Chasing's right, he does bath better than me,
right now. One hundred divided by two is fifty, right,
But there's fifty investigations in this book. So you do
fifty paranormal investigations page one, page.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Two, yep, and write them down and record all your
analysis and everything.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Yes, yep. So both of these books will be out
this week, by the end of the well probably by
the middle of next week.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Yeah, on Amazon, yep.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
And I will have the links for them once they
come up, Yeah, on our page also, So you go
to paranormafore one one dot org and click the links,
just like you can with our other book, and hopefully
you guys will will like it and where can we
get it? Yep. So they'll be on You could go
to our website, but it'll just take you to to Amazon.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Steve, and I know wants to sign copies, so you'll
probably just get it from us sometime when we get
copies in yep, yep.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
And I see these two books as book and companion.
You buy this book to get a comprehensive guide. You
buy this book to journal what it is when you
do your investigations, and so you buy both of these books.
(41:47):
And then after that, you know, just after fifty investigations,
you'll buy it and you'll just buy another one of these. Yeah,
so you'll have the journal and the book. Pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
Yeah. It took us almost a year to finish that first,
that big book, and then I don't know how long
it took on the journal, but about the same amount
of time.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
Amount of time, yeah, because you do it, you look
at it and you're like it's missing this, or it's
missing that, or lines don't look right, you know, just
all kinds of it's just crazy.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
Multiple proofs have been ordered, yes.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
Yep, so, but I hope everybody would enjoy them and
as much as we've enjoyed putting them together.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
Yeah. So this Saturday we got John Russell, psychic author.
His books are award winning books he's been on coast
to coast. We've had him on the show a couple
of times.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
Yeah, this will be like his third time or fourth time.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
Yeah, he's a really great guy. I hope you join
us Saturday.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
He's got a new book out right.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
Yeah, The Sack Can Ghost. So it's about his paranormal experiences.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
Nice.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
Nice, Yeah, I can't wait. It's gonna be awesome Saturday
at eight pm. Don't miss it, all right.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
He invited me, hoping to go. Can I get the
book through Eddie? I don't do investigations. I got feathers.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
We will get you a book, baby girl, don't worry.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
Yep mm hm.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Oh was he going back to the court.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
Yes, I didn't say nothing to you because we have
a show.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
Yeah, we got a show, so yeah, I told Eddie, I.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
Said I'd love to go, but but we uh, we've
got to show this Saturday, so well, won't be able
to go.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
Yeah, it would be good if we could, but yeah,
we got to show.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
Yep, yep. If we could get one of them scheduled
at a time where we don't have a show, then
we definitely will go back because that place is oh awesome.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
This Saturday Stephen. I know you're going to be at
the big Foot Town Hall here in loud and we're
going to be there just walking around probably and eating
some hot dogs and yes and conversion listening to So
we'll see you there people talk. Yeah, and if anybody
wants else wants to come, we're going to be there.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
Say iOS if you says.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
The BFW here in loudon I think it what time?
Speaker 2 (44:48):
It is? Ten to two?
Speaker 1 (44:50):
Ten to two, yep, ten to two.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
It starts at ten and ends at two, So definitely
be there.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
Mister Matt Seber will be there.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
Yes, get to see mister ma Stephen.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
Will be there. I don't know who else. I think
what was his name?
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Oh James James from Yeah Mountain something. Yeah, it's going
to be there, Sorry James, Oh Steven. You can't make it.
What what you can smoke wings and not be there
or still make.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
It put it on the auto and just put it
on wait for a couple of hours anyway, all butt
down and yeah you got to smoke them for a
couple of hours anyway.
Speaker 2 (45:42):
I'm used to smoking something in it taking twenty four hours,
So yeah, I really could go do whatever I want
to do. But thanks everybody for showing up and being
part of the show, and we really appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
Right, Oh yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
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Oh all right, hey everybody, welcome to this Thursday night.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Yes, we got an awesome show for you tonight. Jason
Jason kind of found this and like, hey, let's just
show on it. I'm like, hey, that's interesting.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
I mean it's nothing paranormal. But no, it's very interesting, interesting,
And we've done a show similar to this before. Yeah. So,
I mean this story really captivated me. I've watched it
a documentary about it. I thought we should do a
story about it. But it's nothing paranormal. I mean, it's
(02:17):
just history.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yes, well it's little treasure and history.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Yeah, a little treasure in history. There's sugar Mama waving
in the window.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Is she I can't see?
Speaker 1 (02:34):
So we're gonna be talking about victory o Peak. I
don't know if anybody's heard of that or not, but
it's a story of Doc Noss and Babe Noss. It's
a treasure story. So the story of the Victoria Peak treasure.
It's multi generational, relentless quest that began with one man
(03:00):
and it consumed the lives of his entire family. It
continues to this day. It's a tale of an alleged discovery,
a tragic murder, and an epic legal and political battle
against guests. Who the government, the man, the man. Yeah,
(03:25):
we love these stories.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Yes, So there's a stage of volcanic and tectonic activity.
Victoria Peak is not an isolated mountain, but a distinct
geological formation within a larger active landscape. It is part
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of a basin and a range province, a vast area
of the western United States and northwestern Mexico characterized by
a series of north south trending mountain ranges which are
separated by flat valleys. Now, this landscape was formed over
the last thirty million years by the stretching and thinning
(04:10):
of the Earth's crust. Now, as the Earth's crust pulled apart,
it created a series of parallel faults causing blocks of
the land to tilt and rise, thus the ranges now,
while others dropped and became basins. So Victoria Peak itself
is believed to be a volcanic dome or a volcanic neck.
(04:34):
It's a structure formed from the slow extrusion of highly
viscous magma. Now, this type of volcanic activity can create
a complex internal structures, including lava tubes, fissures, and caves,
which could plausibly serve as natural vaults. Now, the rock
(04:56):
of the peak is ignius prodigenous, so it's a type
of rock formed from cooled lava. Now, while this rock
doesn't typically contain gold ore, the geological activity in the
region has created hydrothermal systems where mineral rich hot water
(05:20):
rises through fissures and deposits valuable minerals like gold, silver,
and copper in veins. So the land itself provides a
plausible geological backdrop for the existence of a naturally occurring
cavern or a rich mineral deposit. However, this treasure story
(05:42):
is not about a natural gold vein. It's about a
cache of processed, refined gold bars. Now, this leads us
to the historical theories about this and its origin. So
how did the treasure get there?
Speaker 1 (06:00):
How did it get there? We got like three theories
that could be possible.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
I mean anything's possible.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
So on the show you watch, do they have theories?
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Yeah? Well yeah, because I mean they they pull up
out of this cavern, swords, all kinds of jewelry. It
looks like, you know, it's somebody's stuff that that has
been raided or something, you know. So the first theory, uh,
(06:38):
is the Spanish colonial horde. Now this is the most
popular and romantic theory. What's up, Stephen, We're talking about, Uh,
Victorio's Victorio Peak and the story of Doc Nass and
Babe Nos. So this theory suggests the treasure was masked
(07:09):
by the Spanish during their colonial rule of New Mexico
from fifteen ninety eight to eighteen twenty one. Now, the
Spanish were avid prospectors, and their historical records mentioned significant
mining operations in the region. So the theory proposes that
(07:31):
the treasure could be from a royal bullyon train, a
shipment of gold and silver being transported from a rich
Spanish mine in Mexico to the southwest to Santa Fe
or beyond. Now, such shipments could have been intercepted by
(07:56):
the Apache, Okay, the Apache tribes and the surviving soldiers
or friars could have sealed it in the cavern to
hide it. You know. This is supported by Doc Noss's
claim of finding skeletons in Spanish air armor.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Many stories tell of priests or friars who secretly mine
gold and silver to fund their missions. When facing hostile
tribes or political unrest, they would have buried their wealth
to keep it from falling into the wrong hands. The
remote and inaccessible location of victori O Peak makes it
(08:41):
the perfect hiding spot for such a secret. Okay, now
that's just one of the theories.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
So that's theory one.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
What's this? Theory two is my favorite, and that's yours.
You can you can take it.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
So theory two says it may be Apache war chest.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Yes, So.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Is this where what the family believes it is.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Yeah, the family thinks it's was native tribes of Apache
that would rob people coming through there and take their
hoarding and stash it in this sacred place. Because they
they pulled out swords, jewels, there was some gold bars.
(09:40):
I don't want to get into the story right now,
But they were all there were seven different brands of
gold bars, like from seven different people for seven different civilizations.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Okay, that's that's interesting. So now theory two attributes the
treasure to the Apache themselves. So Chief Victorio, for whom
the peak is named, and his warriors were famous for
their raids on Mexican and American settlements, also on stage
(10:18):
coaches and military outposts. Now, they were highly skilled at
using their terrain to their advantage, and it is very
plausible that they could have accumulated a significant amount of
wealth from these raids. The gold and other valuables could
be spoils of war taken from stage coaches, military payrolls,
(10:40):
or settlements. Now, the Apache would have needed a secure,
secret location to store their wealth, and the isolated Victorio
Peak would have served that purpose perfectly. That's interesting.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Yeah, that's my favorite, you know theory, because I do
believe that the Apache did raid everybody that came through there.
So we have one more theory. Oh, baby girl a
little bit late, started my popcorn. Yes, well, to let
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you in on it, we're talking about Victoria Peak. It's
not really paranormal, but we I myself wanted to do
this story because it's a good story.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Hell, and it's a story of Doc and Babe NSS
treasure hunt. And we're right now, we're at the theory part.
So we're going to be telling the story here in
just a minute. So theory three would be the Mexican
(11:56):
Imperial Treasure. So now this theory is less common, but
it's still intriguing. It's linked to the brief and chaotic
reign of Emperor Maximilian. Now this is something that they
did bring up, and it okay, we'll get to it.
(12:16):
I don't want to spoil it. Maximilian the first of
Mexico in the eighteen sixties. So after the French invasion,
Maximilion attempted to establish a European monarchy, but he was
eventually overthrown and executed. And the theory suggests that Maximilian's
(12:37):
lotalist loyalist, loyalist or sympathetic Mexican military officers. Facing defeat,
they secretly moved a large portion of the Imperial treasure
north to New Mexico and they was trying to keep
it out of the hands of, you know, the opposing forces.
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So this horde was then buried and sealed within the peak,
waiting for a chance to be recovered that never came. Now,
the story of the Victoria Peak treasurer is generational, a
relentless quest that began with one man and consumed the
(13:22):
lives of his entire family. It's a tale of an
alleged discovery, the tragic murder of its discoverer, and the
epic legal battle. So let me elaborate on this Maximilian treasure.
So Maximilian was the emperor, right, the Mexican emperor. His
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wife had a crown and it was full of jewels.
And one of the pieces that were recovered by Doc
and Babe was a crown with She said it had
all kinds of precious stones and then one black something
(14:11):
like obsidian or something that wasn't obsidian. It was maybe
like a black ruby, I don't know, something like that.
But they actually found that, and I just wanted to mention.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
That, Wow, that's interesting.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Yeah, Stephen says, there's there's a story he heard a
lot growing up about a tunnel that goes under the
river that goes to an old round house in Teleco
to a mansion. I think I've heard that story on
the other side of the river. It's about where they
built the the bridge over the river. Supposedly the Confederates
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used it to smuggle guns and the famous Confederate gold
black emerald I think that's what it was, black emerald
one in the center of the crown. It was a.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Yeah, black op only ever seen green emeralds.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
So this man lost his life over this treasure. It's crazy.
So we're gonna start telling.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Does the family still have pieces of this treasure?
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Apparently they do, I mean they're still the last the
last information about it was the family was trying to
get access to the side again from the government, so
hopefully they'll get They were this close to finding the
(15:47):
cavern feet away and the military came in and said, nope,
shut it down. So baby girl says, the roundhouse is
on the right side of the road going up the river,
and this is in where's just that von Or or Teleco?
(16:18):
That's interesting?
Speaker 2 (16:20):
That is interesting.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
So David's going to start the story. I mean, this
is yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
So the story belongs to Milton ernest or Doc Noss
and his wife Ova Babe Noss Now. In November of
nineteen thirty seven, while on a deer hunting trip in
New Mexico's Mbrello Basin, Doc Noss discovered a man made
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shaft leading into Victoria Peak. Now he descended into the
ar and he found a labyrinth of caverns and a
very macabre scene. There were dozens of human skeletons, some
of which were tied to stakes. Now the real discovery, however,
(17:16):
was the immense treasure hoarde. Now, according to Doc and
Babe's accounts, the caverns held Spanish colonial artifacts, jewels, gold
statue of the Virgin Mary, and most incredibly, thousands of
blackened iron bars. It was Babe who, upon seeing one
(17:38):
of the bars, insisted Doc clean it. Now the act
revealed a brilliant, solid gold bar, confirming a find of
biblical proportions. Now, the couple estimated the hoard to be
around sixteen thousand bars, a potential value of billions of
dollars in the thirties.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Yeah, so, I mean, imagine hundreds of billions dinding sixteen
thousand gold bars, dude, plus all these other article I
might never sleep hall in that stuff. Apparently they were
doing it quite a bit, but it was it was
one I ain't gonna rise the story up.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
So now for the next two years, the couple worked
in secret, living in a tent at the base of
the peak. Doc, a wiry man, was the only one
small enough to fit down the narrow shaft, while Babe,
a larger woman, assisted from the surface. Now, Doc would
(18:40):
retrieve two bars at a time, along with other artifacts,
including a crown with two hundred and forty three diamonds.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Yeah, that's the crown.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
He was deeply paranoid, hiding the retrieved gold in various
secret caches around the desert, refusing to even tell Babe
the locations. Now. The first act of greed, however, was
not from an outsider, but from Nos himself. Impatient to
access the full treasure, he decided in nineteen thirty nine
(19:15):
to use dynamite to widen the entrance to the shaft,
now the blast. A catastrophic miscalculation caused a massive cave in,
selling the entrance and trapping the majority of the treasure inside.
Now the couple was effectively locked out of their fortune.
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The subsequent years were a spiral of desperation. The Gold
Reserve Act of nineteen thirty four made it illegal for
private citizens to own gold bullyon, forcing Doc to deal
with the black market now. The strain led to his
and Babe's divorce in nineteen forty five. Doc's request to
(19:56):
re access the peak ended tragically on March fifth, nineteen
forty nine, when he was shot and killed by a
business associate named Charlie Ryan during a heated argument over
the treasure. Doc Noss died with only two dollars and
sixteen cents in his pocket.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
That's a shame, yeah, And he died with the knowledge
of where he hid those gold bars.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
So all the stuff that already over those years where
he hit everything, including the crown, I guess.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Go. And that's where this guy Charlie was. He was
trying to get Doctor tell him where he put where
he hid the gold bars and stuff on the ranch,
and he wouldn't do it. So Doc went over to
his house, as I remember it, and knocked on the
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door and Charlie Ryan came out and pulled a gun
on him. So Doc ran back to his car to
try to get his pistol and shot him in the back,
killed him, and he died right there. Nobody knows where
(21:10):
it went.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Wow, baby girl says, two dollars are still a lot
of money back then, Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Yeah, Stephen says, always sure. It was a business associate.
So the family's crusade, which was Babe and her heirs.
With Doc's death, the treasure hunt was taken over by
of course it was his ex wife, now Babe and
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her children. So she became the matriarch of the search,
dedicating the remainder of her life to fighting for her
family's claim. Now, her legal battles were complicated by a
major development after World War Two, Victoria Peak. Guess what
it was incorporated into the White Sands Missile Range, a
(22:11):
highly restricted military installation. Absolutely, and the mountain was now
off limits. But you know, she refused to give up,
and for decades she lobbied officials, wrote to presidents, and
filed numerous lawsuits, and her relentless pursuit attracted media attention
(22:33):
and kept the story alive despite the government's consistent denial
of the treasure's existence. Babe's tenacity was fueled by eyewitness accounts. Now,
these were eyewitness accounts of this treasure from military personnel,
because they were outstre watching them for some time, pulling
(22:57):
this stuff up.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Huh, So I doubt if it was ever there there now.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Yeah, they got it. Yeah, So some of the personnel
stationed at White Sands who claimed to have seen gold
bars and other artifacts in caves, suggested a secret government
operation to remove the gold.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Guarantee that.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
So in the seventies, Babe's persistent efforts to lead led
to a major breakthrough. Under pressure from Congress, the US
Army approved a highly publicized expedition in nineteen seventy seven
known as Operation Goldfinder.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Gold Finger one million dollars.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
I don't know. This is in New Mexico. So Babe
and her family was present when they were doing this,
and the military used a lot of heavy equipment and
modern technology to search for the sealed cavern. However, weeks
of searching, they found nothing, and the official report concluded
(24:11):
that the treasure didn't exist. Yeah, they had already found it. So,
unwavering in her belief, Babe continued her fight until her
death in nineteen seventy nine, and the torch was then
passed to the next generation, primarily her grandson Terry Delones.
(24:34):
So this is there had to be something there for
this whole family to go through this.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
What's funny to me is that you know, all of
what they found before is hidden somewhere on their ranch. Yeah,
why wouldn't you go searching your ranch because they've got
metal detectors that can I'm going to track pretty dang
far down, and they could distinguish between ferris and non
(25:02):
Ferish metals.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
You know. I think the whole ranch may be the range, right,
the missile range. I'm not sure if they took all
the land or just that peak right.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Well, I mean from the sounds of it, that peak
was never theirs. They were just hunting there. Yeah, and
they set up camp.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Well, I think the military annexed it after the war,
right and incorporated into the White Sands missile range.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Right, It's probably just a place you could go hunting
and do all kinds of stuff up until that point.
So I would start looking for the crap that they hid,
because she knows everything that they hid.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yeah, well, he was part of it. Well, it said
that he didn't even tell her where he hid.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Well, that's what I'm saying. But she knows what was
pulled up though. Yeah, and well, and he did sell
some of it off because he said that he seld
it to black markets and stuff like that. But there
still had to be quite a bit of it there
for him to die with two dollars in his pocket.
He didn't sell a lot of it, no, because even
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on the black market he could have got more than
that for a gold bar.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Steven says, y'all need to hear the theory from that
from Wait a minute, where'd I go.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
A little bit?
Speaker 1 (26:25):
I need to hear the theory from the guys at
Appalachian Intelligence about how some of these families in Appalachia
to find old spirits and to harvest the material in
the mountains that is older than bones. There's even a
famous gold people have tried to find from Appalachia. Huh.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Yeah. I heard a story that and if I'm not mistaken,
it was Eddie from Legends and Lord that told me
something about a story of some gold that was hidden
and it's right around this area somewhere here in East Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Yeah. Stephen mentioned that Eddie told him that same story.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Yeah, and that him and another guy have gone before
Metal Detective trying to find it. But I think there's
quite a few people that have tried to find us.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Cherokee stole the gold from Spanish.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Yes, that's the story, yep. And they hit it somewhere.
But no one knows where it is. M Yeah, so
we do have some stuff around here that's like this too.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
I'd like to go on a good treasure hunt. Be fun, yeah, could.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Be rewarding, Yeah, if you find it. Now Terry Delone
grew up steeped in the lore of the treasure. As
head of the ova Nos Family Partnership, he continued his
(28:06):
grandmother's crusade with renewed vigor. Now his decades long effort
has become a modern day treasure hunt, meticulously documented in
books and media. In the nineties, the ONFP or Ovaanos
Family Partnership was granted a new round of limited access
(28:28):
to Victoria Peak. Now. This time the family and their
team brought in geologists, historians, and advanced surveying equipment. Now
their searchers or their searches, which lasted several years, were
marked by both hope and frustration. They conducted a series
(28:50):
of drilling operations and excavations following geological anonymalies that seemed
to match Doc's descriptions. Now, while they never found the
main treasure, they did uncover artifacts and evidence of a
cavern system within the mountain. One of the works was
a significant effort to shift the story from pure folklore
(29:13):
to more of a scientific investigation. Now, despite their persistent efforts,
Terry Delonus and his family never found the mother load.
They were continually met with resistance from the military and
the complexities of the terrain. The conspiracy theories of government
(29:33):
seizure of the gold continues to be a you know,
part of the narrative, with Delonus and his supporters suggesting
that any lack of discovery is proof of an earlier
clandestine operation. Now to this day, they maintained its leg
their legal claim to the treasure, and the story of
(29:54):
Victorio Peak Treasure remains one of the great unsolved mysteries
of the West. And it does kind of show what,
you know, people looking for treasures and lost gold and
stuff like that, how it draws people into those stories,
because heck, it drew you into it, and now it's
(30:16):
drawn me into it, you know. And also you know,
a family that's dedicated their lives and multi generations to
try to discover it and to retrieve it.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Yeah, the story is really intriguing and I was interested
in and I've watched a documentary. I think you can
watch the documentary on one of the streaming channels. I
can't remember which one, but it's good. It's shows pictures
and everything.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Really. Yeah, I don't know why they don't look for
it on their property. Yeah, because you know, the old
man hit it somewhere somewhere.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
It's out there. Imagine sixteen thousand gold bars. That's a
lot of gold. That's like i'd say said they estimated
it at two point eight billion dollars today, I.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Would say that crown alone, just for its it being
what it was, not even the inherent value of what
was in the crown or what the crown itself was
made of, but just the property itself would make it
worth probably priceless. I mean, it would be a priceless artifact. Yeah,
(31:35):
you know, and you could put that in aw let
people take pictures of it, and your family would be
wealthy for the rest of their life.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
And no one ever even touched the artifact.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
I think they said that babe took it to get
it appraised the crown and the guy was just amazed,
and and that's how she knew it was had two
hundred and so many diamonds and and one of those
black stones, and uh, they didn't tell her how much
(32:14):
it was worth, but she said it. They just said
it was very old, so.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
That's insane.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Yeah. I don't know if it has to do anything
with the Confederates, uh, with the help of the Queen
of England moved their gold. It may may be, but
the I think the the indigenous Apaches, it was their.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Hoarde parties went and got the stuff.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
I don't think the original people hid it there because
that the peak was named after an Apache chief and
that was their spot, you know, to do the rituals
and a lot of things, right.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Mm hmm. That's that's interesting. But it's also interesting how
at the beginning, you know, they talk about the the
King of Mexico and the crown, but then they found
this crown. Yeah, so could those men have been moving
it up through there and then they've been raided and
then that beat.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
But what's weird is that they found skeletons with armor
still on, tied to steak tied to steaks.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Yeah, it's pretty wild.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
That's interesting.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
So there you have it. That's our story. That's it,
Victoria Victoria Peak, and it is an unfinished story of
Doc Noss and Babe nos So I hope everybody enjoyed it.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
I thought it was interesting to share with me where
you watched it. So I watch it.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Yeah, I have to look at up again and find it.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Yeah, I've gone them panned in a few places, come
up with a little bit of stuff here and there. Yeah,
just got to know the law when you do it.
If you're doing it in Tennessee, and I think a
lot of states are this way. But you if you're
(34:26):
painting in a in a like state of Tennessee, you
you don't have to have a license or anything, but
you can get a license. They're free. It doesn't cost
nothing to pan. But you can never touch the walls
of the you know, river or stream or anything. Yep,
(34:48):
you can't touch them.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
You can't dig in it none. You can dredge in
the water.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
You can dredge, and you could dredge. That's what I
was talking about. As far as the free part. Most
places charge you, like you have to get a sticker.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Or whatever, charge you for the gether some place over
in I think it's Cocher Creek that the visitors visitors center.
You can buy your license and all kinds of gold
stuff to go.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Right and and it's it's really free. So yeah, if
you go through the state, you don't even have to
pay for a license, but dredging you have to have
a license. But again it's free. But you you could
only dredge in the center of the You can't get
towards the banks, you know. Yeah. I was like, you
(35:36):
know how much money you would spend doing that?
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Got a bit a lot of money. Yeah, you can
and and dislodge a lot of I mean as far
as stuff like that, like gen sing Honey, Hey, I've
done gen singing. I did that for years. My my
uncle did it for a living for a long time.
So and I learned Gensen and.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
The most money you've made from a Gensen hall.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
I had one root that weighed about a pound. Now
it drives about four to one. Back then, it was
going for about fourteen hundred and something dollars a pound tried.
It's probably still somewhere around there, maybe more. But it
was at the top of a hill and it was
(36:29):
a huge plant. I mean it come up to my waist.
I've never seen one that big before. It was like
the tops on it had eighty five So every year
it grows a new little top. So it's kind of
like a ring of a tree, so he could count.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
So it was eighty five years old.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
And it was this big. It was literally like this,
but then it was at the very top of a hill.
I looked down every year it dropped its berries, and
that sucker all the way down that hill was just gensing.
I had a lot of gen zing. Yeah. Uh no,
(37:09):
I've never been ramped digging.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
I've been wanting to go to that ramp festival they have.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
Oh I like onions, Yeah I do. I can eat onions. Now.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Hey, we got some news we do. David's gonna share
it with you everybody.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
We hope that you enjoyed the show tonight and everything.
Oh my legs, my butt just thinking about Gen singing. Man,
I love digging Gen sing. I haven't done it in years.
But so everybody is familiar with Hold on second, everybody's
(37:50):
familiar with this, right, that's our book, East Tennessee or
East Tennessee Huntings and the War A dish to our
I guess you say it's our second book, but it's
really our first real book.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
So we still have this book, but within this week
we got two books that are coming out yes, sir,
one but two. So the first one is called A
Comprehensive Guide to Paranormal Investigations. It is a very thick book,
very big book. This one will be coming. It's green. Yeah,
(38:34):
it's green. Little let me fix it so people can
see it, man. But where it doesn't say show anything
right now, it says a Comprehensive Guide to Paranormal Investigations.
And it's a really nice book. It's kind of a
paranormal investigations one on one type book. It goes through
(38:56):
everything that you need to know to do paranormal investigations.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Yeah, it goes a little deeper than just the basics.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Yeah, it goes very deep. You could learn the basics,
but it goes further than the basics, much further. So
that one will be coming out within the next week.
And we got one more. This is kind of a
companion book. It's not a book, it's a journal. So
this is the Haunted Ledger. So it's a journal, and
(39:33):
we're very big proponents that if you are going ghost
hunting or anything, you should journal because sometimes you could
find correlations between what you felt what happened and evidence
that you find around. At the same time, and so
page one, page two, and then you could you know,
(39:56):
this is one investigation. Yeah, and and so on and
so forth. There's one hundred investigations in this book that
you could write down.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
Is there one hundred or fifty? No, one hundred, one hundred.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
I think so wait wait, you might be right. There's
only one hundred pages, right, right, So I'm sorry, there's
fifty investigations. Chasing's right, he does bath better than me,
right now. One hundred divided by two is fifty, right,
But there's fifty investigations in this book. So you do
fifty paranormal investigations page one, page.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Two, yep, and write them down and record all your
analysis and everything.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Yes, yep. So both of these books will be out
this week, by the end of the well probably by
the middle of next week.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Yeah, on Amazon, yep.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
And I will have the links for them once they
come up, Yeah, on our page also, So you go
to paranormafore one one dot org and click the links,
just like you can with our other book, and hopefully
you guys will will like it and where can we
get it? Yep. So they'll be on You could go
to our website, but it'll just take you to to Amazon.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Steve, and I know wants to sign copies, so you'll
probably just get it from us sometime when we get
copies in yep, yep.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
And I see these two books as book and companion.
You buy this book to get a comprehensive guide. You
buy this book to journal what it is when you
do your investigations, and so you buy both of these books.
(41:47):
And then after that, you know, just after fifty investigations,
you'll buy it and you'll just buy another one of these. Yeah,
so you'll have the journal and the book. Pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
Yeah. It took us almost a year to finish that first,
that big book, and then I don't know how long
it took on the journal, but about the same amount
of time.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
Amount of time, yeah, because you do it, you look
at it and you're like it's missing this, or it's
missing that, or lines don't look right, you know, just
all kinds of it's just crazy.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
Multiple proofs have been ordered, yes.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
Yep, so, but I hope everybody would enjoy them and
as much as we've enjoyed putting them together.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
Yeah. So this Saturday we got John Russell, psychic author.
His books are award winning books he's been on coast
to coast. We've had him on the show a couple
of times.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
Yeah, this will be like his third time or fourth time.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
Yeah, he's a really great guy. I hope you join
us Saturday.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
He's got a new book out right.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
Yeah, The Sack Can Ghost. So it's about his paranormal experiences.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
Nice.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
Nice, Yeah, I can't wait. It's gonna be awesome Saturday
at eight pm. Don't miss it, all right.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
He invited me, hoping to go. Can I get the
book through Eddie? I don't do investigations. I got feathers.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
We will get you a book, baby girl, don't worry.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
Yep mm hm.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Oh was he going back to the court.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
Yes, I didn't say nothing to you because we have
a show.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
Yeah, we got a show, so yeah, I told Eddie, I.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
Said I'd love to go, but but we uh, we've
got to show this Saturday, so well, won't be able
to go.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
Yeah, it would be good if we could, but yeah,
we got to show.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
Yep, yep. If we could get one of them scheduled
at a time where we don't have a show, then
we definitely will go back because that place is oh awesome.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
This Saturday Stephen. I know you're going to be at
the big Foot Town Hall here in loud and we're
going to be there just walking around probably and eating
some hot dogs and yes and conversion listening to So
we'll see you there people talk. Yeah, and if anybody
wants else wants to come, we're going to be there.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
Say iOS if you says.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
The BFW here in loudon I think it what time?
Speaker 2 (44:48):
It is? Ten to two?
Speaker 1 (44:50):
Ten to two, yep, ten to two.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
It starts at ten and ends at two, So definitely
be there.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
Mister Matt Seber will be there.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
Yes, get to see mister ma Stephen.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
Will be there. I don't know who else. I think
what was his name?
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Oh James James from Yeah Mountain something. Yeah, it's going
to be there, Sorry James, Oh Steven. You can't make it.
What what you can smoke wings and not be there
or still make.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
It put it on the auto and just put it
on wait for a couple of hours anyway, all butt
down and yeah you got to smoke them for a
couple of hours anyway.
Speaker 2 (45:42):
I'm used to smoking something in it taking twenty four hours,
So yeah, I really could go do whatever I want
to do. But thanks everybody for showing up and being
part of the show, and we really appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
Right, Oh yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
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Speaker 1 (47:05):
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