August 1, 2023 • 56 mins
Three former military officials have testified before a House Oversight subcommittee on Wednesday, July 26, 2023 that they believe the government knows much more about UFOs than it is telling the public, but they also focused more on improving processes for reporting UAPs and transparency on the events for the American people. Former Navy fighter pilot Ryan Graves recounted an incident that happened off the coast of Virginia Beach in 2014 while flying an F-18 where they came upon & almost collided with an aircraft that was a "dark gray or black cube inside of a clear sphere". He also founded a group that supports aviators who have reported similar phenomenon & the objects that are reportedly being seen by military & commercial pilots that are performing maneuvers which are unexplainable due to our current understanding of our technology.
Retired Cmdr. David Fravor talked about his encounter which was in 2004, where he & 3 others saw a white “Tac Tac”-shaped flying object emerge over the San Diego coast in California. He said, "There were no rotors, no rotor wash, or any visible flight control surfaces like wings." As they tried to get closer to the object, "it rapidly accelerated & disappeared right in front of our aircraft," leaving no detectable turbulence. Retired Major David Grusch spoke about a multi-decade UAP crash retrieval & reverse engineering program that he was exposed to during his time on a UAP task force. Grusch says that he has not personally spotted a UAP or any alien bodies, but his opinions are based on the accounts of over 40 witnesses that he interviewed while he was on the UAP task force. He also said he has interviewed individuals who have recovered "nonhuman biologics" from crashed UAPs.
In a statement, Defense Department spokeswoman Sue Gough said investigators have not discovered “any verifiable information to substantiate claims that any programs regarding the possession or reverse-engineering of extraterrestrial materials have existed in the past or exist currently.” But Ryan Graves urged Congress and government officials to put aside stigma and address the security and safety issue that this topic represents.
Join us on episode 165 to hear more about this Congressional hearing on UAPs and the three former military officials’ experience with them!
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Retired Cmdr. David Fravor talked about his encounter which was in 2004, where he & 3 others saw a white “Tac Tac”-shaped flying object emerge over the San Diego coast in California. He said, "There were no rotors, no rotor wash, or any visible flight control surfaces like wings." As they tried to get closer to the object, "it rapidly accelerated & disappeared right in front of our aircraft," leaving no detectable turbulence. Retired Major David Grusch spoke about a multi-decade UAP crash retrieval & reverse engineering program that he was exposed to during his time on a UAP task force. Grusch says that he has not personally spotted a UAP or any alien bodies, but his opinions are based on the accounts of over 40 witnesses that he interviewed while he was on the UAP task force. He also said he has interviewed individuals who have recovered "nonhuman biologics" from crashed UAPs.
In a statement, Defense Department spokeswoman Sue Gough said investigators have not discovered “any verifiable information to substantiate claims that any programs regarding the possession or reverse-engineering of extraterrestrial materials have existed in the past or exist currently.” But Ryan Graves urged Congress and government officials to put aside stigma and address the security and safety issue that this topic represents.
Join us on episode 165 to hear more about this Congressional hearing on UAPs and the three former military officials’ experience with them!
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Paranormal Punches is part of the PodbellyNetwork. Go to podbelly dot com for
more great podcast. Hey, y'all, this is Frank the Bigfoot and you're
listening to the Paranormal Puncher. Hey, friends, welcome to another episode Paranormal
(00:35):
Punchers. I'm Mark, I'm Alicia, I'm Dave. No Nash because Nash
is up in Alaska salmon fishing,So sorry Alaska. But if there's a
rash of Sasquatch sightings this week,yeah it's Nash. I hope you have
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a great time many when you getback, and I hope you're bringing some
tasty salmon. I know, becausewe just actually had salmon. It's a
restaurant. We all picked salmon.Yeah, it wasn't all asking. No,
No, that fresh caught by Nashsalmon. Uh are you sure about
that? Maybe not? Maybe not? All right? Hey, on this
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episode, we're gonna talk about again. We're gonna do a like a very
current topic. We're gonna talk aboutthe UFO alien briefings that they just had
the congressional hearing about. We're gonnatalk about some you a pete Okay,
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my turn? Was that a handoffpoint? Yeah? No, someone might
say dramatic pop, Okay, that'swhere you insert they all right. Uh.
Three former military harry officials have testifiedbefore a House Oversight subcommittee on Wednesday,
July twenty six that they believe thegovernment knows much more about UFOs than
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it is telling the public. Imean, of course they do, and
the Pentagon has denied the claims.So during the hearing there was testimony about
unexplained object sightings and the government's possessionof non human biological matter, but it
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also kind of centered actually it wasmore about improving processes for reporting UAPs and
the transparency on the events. YO. What I found interesting where they're talking
about what only five yeah up signingsget reported right now, is that because
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everybody shrugs their shoulders and like whybother or well, there's probably a lot
of people that believe or feel likenobody's going to believe that um, or
like you're hallucinating or whatever. Sonow for the go ahead, I was
just gonna say, you know,the UAPs can uh have a lot of
different things, and they're not allaliens um, So it may be one
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of those they're all aliens, it'saliens um. But the Uh. You
know, when you see a weatherballoon, you you're probably like, oh,
they're probably tracking that some other way, right, I'm not gonna report
it, but gotcha. Got so. Uh, you know, growing up,
UFO is always the term, butthey're using this now now. They're
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calling them u aps Unidentified un anomalousphenomenon. Now, Davey, we were
talking earlier, but anomalous uh meanswhat. Well, you know, it's
because it's cocovering like things that couldbe in the sky in the ocean,
right, Yeah, they they changedit used to be UM. When they
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first started using UAP, it wasunidentified aerial phenomena, but that was too
specific. So anomalous basically is youknow, generic, anonymous, whatever you
however you want to describe it.But uh, into their specific thing,
they included submerged and trans medium objectsto in addition to aerial So that's why
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so I'm because my brain is like, oh, so aliens are living under
the ocean. Well, we've hada number of topics, and of course
I can't recall right now where itseemed like the craft was coming out of
the ocean m episode. I reallydon't remember. So I do have some
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bullet points on what a UAP typical. They're characteristics Okay, round a typical
orientation, altitude between ten to thirtyk. I guess feet in the air,
speeds of the mok too, right, which is interesting because the ones
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will get to for this hearing thatis slow, no thermal exhaust detected okay,
and intermittent radar signature right so Icould blip on and blip off of
our radar screens. Okay, allright, Well, UM, so the
three different people, um, thefirst one that spoke was a former Navy
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pilot, um, maybe fighter pilot, yeah, Ryan Graves. The second
guy was a retired major David Grush, and then third guy retired commander David
Fraver. Now I'm not sure whichguy do you guys want to start with,
because they were all kind of theywere very interesting, like there are
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points, so I think starting withGraves. He was Navy lieutenant and fighter
pilot and um he was assigned tooriginally around radar are something to do with
radar. I didn't quite understand exactlythe specifics of what they were talking about,
but that at one point the radargot upgraded and when it did,
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UAP sightings went through the roof basicallywhatever they did for military purposes, suddenly
could see a lot more of thesethings. Again, they might be weather
balloons, they might be in whatever, but either way we can we're now
picking up a lot more yes ofUAPs in the yes. So he is
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one that he's created an organization foundationwhatever to support pilots when they see these
things, making sure that they're gettingthe proper representation and not being um you
know, spoken out against things likethat. But he had a really interesting
thing occur that he was part of. Two FA teams were flying in formation.
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This was off the coast of VirginiaBeach twenty fourteen, Yes, and
all of a sudden, this umuap like went right down the middle of
the two of them and uh,you know, cut them in half,
as they say, not actually damagingthe planes, but um you know,
going right between cargo paths. Right. I mean, if you've seen top
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gun magic, Maverick, this ishe does the same kind of a thing,
but he's in another fighter. Iwant to see top gun magic because
that what you said, Maverick,because that sounds um. But the in
this case, it was a darkgray or a black cube inside of a
clear sphere. Yeah, that's likethat's kind of like a little bit mind
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blowing. So it's kind of insidea clear sphere, but it's a cube,
right, Yeah, I mean,is it it seems like maybe like
an alien probe, right, likesending down to collect data, right right,
like a drone or something. Yeah. Um, in this case,
it uh, the no one washarmed, but the pilots did file a
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safety alert on it. Um,nothing was you know, withheld. The
pilots weren't discriminated against or anything likethat. Um. And this was part
of the congressional hearing where he youknow, verified that that you know,
there was no repercussions to them.But um, he's the one that came
up with the five percent report ratefor this, and I was really trying
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to advocate for those pilots to getmore reporting and protection. You know.
It's okay, so I brought thatup earlier, that we're only hearing about
five percent of them. Is itbecause some people, like some pilots just
don't want to do it. Theydon't want to be made fun of,
per se Like oh yeah you sawUFO, Yeah, sure you did.
I don't know some of that iswhy it's like a low report rate.
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So I saw follow up with withhim where he was talking about they'll actually
pilots will discuss what to do ifI c a UAP before they go up
on their their mission. Okay,and it's it's a topic of conversation.
So I don't think it's among pilotsthat they're not reporting it, whether they
feel ostracized from their upper echelons.But they confirmed here that none of in
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the congressional hearing, they were askedspecifically, was there ever repercussions against you
or others for reporting these things?And they all answered no. So the
I don't know why they don't becausethe aliens mind wipe them, right.
Yeah. His the group that hefounded. It supports aviators who have reported
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similar phenomena UM and the objects thatare reportedly being seen by military and commercial
pilots. So and a lot ofthese um these sightings, they're they're maneuvering
much more than what our technology canhandle. Yes, so yeah, that's
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a good point. This isn't justmilitary, this is also commercial commercial as
well. Yeah. Yeah, butalong that lines, we were talking about
that they're doing maneuvers that are unexplainable. But he did say if everybody could
see the censor video data that hewitnessed, the national conversation about UAPs would
change, right, Which is hesaying that y'all would believe you would see
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what I saw. There's a lotof read between the lines and a lot
of the testimony on this topic.Yeah, you know, if you read
between the lines, it does soundlike, at least according to this group.
Great Yeah, well yeah, Ithink all three of them, um,
certain things they were like, well, I can't comment on that,
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right, So obviously they might knowa little bit more than they're leading onto
the right. Yeah, so Iguess in the official capacity. So he
was in there because of his hisgroup that he's founded, and his personal
experience. Yeah, um, Fravererwas there because his incident was actually declassified.
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Yes, so he could speak publiclyabout it now and grouse forget if
I'm pronouncing that right, um,grouse whatever. U he's there because he's
considered a whistle blower. Yes.But the interesting thing, and we'll get
to him, not jumping to himright now, but the the fact that
he wasn't willing to disclose everything.He's like, I can't talk about that,
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right, but he's being a whistleblower. That to me adds a little
bit of credibility. Like no,and even in the U the hearing,
he was like, I can't sayanything about this now, but if we
can go to what are they callingit? Was it a swell a swall
of it was basically if they allgot security clearances, they could do it.
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And it's not on video and there'sno recording of it private congressional here.
Absolutely yeah. But so also RyanGraves and I didn't write this down
in my notes, but um,in the in the hearing, he did
talk about also they they saw someI thought he said like red like giant
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squares or orange squares. And I'mnot sure. Um, I wish I
would have written it down. Justpopped in my head. It's the borg,
wasn't Their ship was a big square? Um. So I just found
that interesting, Like he's had Um, I don't know if he's you know,
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he has seen certain things, butbut he's also talked to a lot
of people, um, and thethings that they've seen, So I don't
know if he actually saw the redsquares, but um, but I thought
that wasn't very interesting. Yea,that happened. Now retired Commander David Fraver
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his encounter actually happened in two thousandand four. Yes, and it wasn't
released. The video wasn't released untiltwenty twenty um, which you said,
yeah, it got declassified. Buthe it's the tic tac. Yeah,
this is one of the everybody's probablyif you're right, you've probably seen the
tik tak video, right, yes, not TikTok, TikTok right, um,
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So he and three others they sawa white tik tak shaped flying object
emerge over the San Diego Coast inCalifornia. That real quick, Yeah,
go for it. I don't knowthe average age of our listeners, but
does everybody know tik taks? Like, are they still a thing? Oh?
You know what, I don't evenknow. I think you can get
tic TACs still, right, Idon't know. I would assume everybody knows
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what that is. But if not. A tic tac was kind of like
a little pillow shaped breathmant came ina clear plastic container, rectangle shaped,
and you can just also shake it, so you had the shaking of the
tik tak. Your pocket had alittle flip top boom. You can pop
up tik tak in your mouth,then your fresh breath can kiss away.
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The fruit flavor was the Orange Warperfect. I only liked the meant everything
else. I was like, no, I don't, I don't need other
flavors. But anyway, so aquote, yeah, a quote from him.
He said there were no rotors,no rotor wash or any visible flight
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control services like wings. So asthey tried to get closer to the object,
it rapidly accelerated it and disappeared rightin front of the aircraft, and
it was leaving no detectable turbulence.So another quote from him, the technologically
we faced was far superior than anythingwe had. I'm not a UFO fanatic,
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but what we saw with four setsof eyes, we have nothing close
to it. It was incredible technology. Right. So a little bit more
on that. So he is actuallya graduate of top Gun, so he
is, you know, of theupper echelon of our our fighter pilots,
or was at the time that thishappened. When you say four sets of
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eyes, so they each had aweapon system officer behind them. So it
was two planes, two pilots,two whiz those behind yes, and when
they were they were on a trainingmission and radar picked up multiple anomalous aerial
vehicles, and so they went toinvestigate. And when they went there,
they said it defied the laws ofphysics, at least human physics, because
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how he worded it, it droppedeighty thousand feet in less than a second.
So they saw these things coming inand it just I mean, that's
really really quick. Um white tictac looking object, and it was aware
that they were there. It wasmimicking moves of the fighter jets. And
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then when they went to go into get a closer view, it accelerated
away so fast that it was basicallylike it disappeared, and they picked it
up on radar a less than aminute after that, but it was over
sixty miles away. Wow, So, I mean, these things are going
really really fast. One of theinteresting quotes that I heard from him was
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that he doesn't know what kind ofpilot it would take to do this,
but he would love to be oneof them. Very cool now. He
also said that it was several yearsbefore any officials followed up to ask about
the events of the day, andthen after that nothing was done right,
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So it was almost like it quietlywas pushed into the corner. But in
the congressional hearing, he did saythat he doesn't think there was any malice
to it, that it was likeeverything else. You have things that are
too big, they just get putin a destro and yeah, like where
the ark of the coming in inthe story? Right? So, uh,
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the last guy that we're going totalk about is retired Major David Grush
or Grush. I'm not sure howto say his name. I've only watched
the video like five times now andI still butcher. In twenty nineteen,
um Grush said that he was askedby the head of a government task force
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on UAPs to identify all highly classifiedprograms relating to the task force mission at
the time. He was detailed tothe National Reconnaissance Office, which is the
agency that operates like US spy satellitesand stuff like that. A quote for
him, I was informed in thecourse of my official duties of a multidecade
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UAP crash retrieval in reverse injuring Engineerhearing program to which I was denied access.
So like he came, he cameinto this information. But then they
were like, no, you can'tYou can't really look into it more.
We're recovering UAPs, but we can'ttell you more. Right, Well,
what do you think the multi decadeup crash retrieval and reverse engineering? What
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do you think they're referring to?Maybe? Yeah, yeah, So he
says that it is highly likely thatthe US has been aware of non human
activities since the nineteen thirties, andis absolutely certain that the federal government is
in possession of UAPs, and heknows the exact locations that are in the
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military's possession, but he couldn't sayin the hearing, yes, obviously.
He also alluded to that there area lot of people with a lot of
knowledge of this and that he wouldn'the can't say for sure because he doesn't
know what information has been communicated,but that he wouldn't be surprised that Congress
is being withheld information. So,are you know public knowledge? Hearings things
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like that, are you know,we don't know what's going on for real?
Right? So, he was askedby representative of Jared Moscowitz he is
from Florida, how such a programis funded, and Grush claimed that the
effort is above Congressional oversight and bankrolledby a misappropriation of funds. So Moscowitz
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were replied, does that mean thatthere is money in the budget that is
set to go to a program butit doesn't and it goes to something else?
And he said, yes, Ihave specific knowledge of that, but
of course Grush she couldn't confirm orsay what it's going to because it's classified.
So right, So basically, thereis money in a budget for some
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program. Everybody, Oh, that'scool, right, but that program is
fake because it's going to the alienresearch right, which we obviously the government
doesn't want you to know, right, and the program managers of the original
program probably don't know the difference.They're like, I budget one hundred thousand
for this thing, and you goto use it and they're told, no,
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you can't use that. Well IBudge did for it, well you
know, and they're just told no, you know, yeah, costs are
too high or whatever. You know, that's how you shuffle things around.
Yeah, seven forbid. They actuallyjust set up yeah, fun for alien
research, right, I mean,come on, I think we could handle
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that, right, Yeah, Americapublic can handle knowing there's aliens and the
governments are researching it and you know, yeah, well that's actually part of
my final thoughts. We'll come backto that now. Grush says that he
has not personally spotted a UAP orany you know, alien bodies, but
his opinions are based on the countsof over forty witnesses that he interviewed while
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he was on the UAP task Force. He also said he has interviewed individuals
who has recovered non human biologics fromcrashed UAPs. Biologics. Yeah, I
think he had to say that liketwice he had like him like, yeah,
I'm talking that there's he didn't referto him as like alien like bodies
right now, but it was biologicsthat were of non human right right.
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And then to me, that's sayhe was saying like, yeah, no,
we recovered alien species of some sort, right, Yeah, well there
was like a little vial of itcould be there, right, It could
be that, it could be blood, it could be you know, ooze,
it could be yeah. Yeah.The original yeah, So the original
answer he gave was that in therecovered craft the question was did we recover
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the pilots of those crafts? Andhe said, yes, we've recovered biologics.
And then do you mean human ornon human? And he said non
human. Yeah, he said heprefers to use the term non human rather
than alien or extraterrestrial. Right,so it could be tigers. I mean
we could have a whole Tiger AirForce. Oh my gosh, I mean
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that's terrifying. Yeah right, yeah, so inside the tic TACs a couple
of lions and tigers bears. Ohmy, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
So David says that he actually hebecame a whistle blower after joining this program
in twenty nineteen, after having allof this um these witnesses, having testimony
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from them, like, he feltlike he needed to he needed to tell
somebody. But he has received retaliationsince coming forward. He's and this is
a quote from him, it hasbeen very brutal and very unfortunate, the
tactics they used to hurt me,both professionally and personally. He refrained from
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sharing obviously detailed information in the hearing, but he did offer, obviously we
said this, that he would doit behind closed doors. He was asked
at one point in the hearing whetheranyone had been murdered to cover up information,
and uh, he said he couldn'tcomment that, so yep, yeah,
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And I think he mentioned administrative terrorismis what he was calling the the
retaliation, So I don't know exactlywhat that is in I don't know what
that would necessarily mean. I thinkthat's a more egregious form of office politics.
Okay, that's what sounds like tome. Although maybe they've learned terrorists
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efforts from what they've gleaned from thebiologics and they're using them against him.
I don't know. Um. Oneof the other statements that he said under
oath that this is the one thatreally actually got me. I know where
you're going. This one's kind oflike, of course, right, they're
not here to be kind. Ohoh, I wasn't going on that one,
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okay. I was going on theum has our government made contact with
intelligent extraterrestrial life? And his responsewas I can't comment on that. I
was talking that he made a referenceto. Somebody asked him, like,
you think they're they're here to doharm and he basically said yes, okay.
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He said, my wife and Ihad both witnessed some horrific things.
I missed that. Yeah, hedid mention that, I am okay,
So I'm assuming that he's saying like, they're it's not et, they're not
friendly, and they're not going toeat Reese's pieces. They're looking to see
And maybe that's why we have storiesof anal probing and cattle delaious. They're
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here, they're so far advanced theywe are literally just I don't know,
shave apes to them. Yeah,and they just feel like, no,
we could experimental so below them thatthey can do horrific things to us because
they just don't see us as anything. Right, that's scary. Yeah,
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yeah, yeah, but you know, I I honestly, I I really
don't see it. You would wantit to be Star Trek, where once
we did something, we would havefirst contact with an intelligence race that is
building this united federation of other planetsthat are coming together. No, of
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course it would go down the oppositeway, where like, oh, look
at these people, let's destroy them. Well, if you think about it,
like the UM, if Nash washere, he would smack me.
I don't know enough about Star Trekto remember what the U directive was that
he basically, you don't make contact. You don't make first contact until they're
ready, they until they've gotten thewarp drive. Yeah, um, the
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there's a name for that. Iforget what that name is, and I'm
sure I'll get hate for that,but that's the directive that the prime directive,
the prime directive. Okay, sothis isn't the only one who watched
the Star Trek bro Okay, butthat's like his he loves Star Trek um.
But in any case, the um, if you think about it,
think of and yes we're using Hollywoodmovies as an example here, you know,
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documentaries, but the uh, youknow, if if if there was
an alien civilization, alien uh conglomeratereally of different races and species across the
galaxy doing these things, and they'relike, yeah, don't don't contact other
life until they're ready. Right,it's gonna be the evil ones that are
like, I don't care, I'mgoing down the right. It wasn't there
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a theory at least we've talked aboutit, and I'm sure other people talked
about it. It's once we dropthe atomic bomb that that's when we got
the attention of higher life forms andthen or is it from a movie I've
watched? Huh, But you knowthat maybe that puts us on the radar
maybe some we're like, oh,these guys did this, huh, let's
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go down and start messing with them, maybe attracted the attention of not good
right right, flat forms like wantto just terrorize study first until they know
all our ins and outs, andthen just yeah so I'm sorry, it's
okay, dark right, Yeah,so I do have the government's response.
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Yeah, well, why don't wetake a quick break and we'll come back
with what the government says. We'llbe right back, and we're back right,
So we're gonna move on. We'regonna have what the government's response was,
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Yes, um SO. In astatement, Defense Department spokes was spokeswoman
Sue gal go H said investigators havenot discovered any verifiable information to substantiate claims
that any programs regarding the possession orreverse engineering of extra terrestrial materials have existed
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in the past or exist currently,um SO Pentagon officials. In December um
said that they had received several hundredsof new reports since launching a renewed effort
to investigate reports of UFOSUM. Atthat point, we have not seen anything
and we're still very early on thatwould lead us to believe that any of
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the objects that we have seen areof alien origin. That's exactly what I
would expect. It was pronounced lastname to say uh and uh. The
spokesperson said, any unauthorized system inour airspace we deem as a threat,
as we deem as a threat tosafety. So um, so yeah,
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they were like, we we haven'tseen anything, but if something's in the
air, we're we're gonna deem ita threat. But look at that documentary
the activity around July fourth, andyou know the compartmentalization. Most of the
military didn't know in that movie.The president didn't even know about what they
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had an AFT, right, onlythe Defense secretary, Yeah, the sector
right, Yeah, and I'll see, we just watched Transformers lessons, right,
we did. I'll finish with them. They the government has felt pressure
to release information, but anything thatthey've really released, like all the videos
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and stuff, they have all beenand this is in quotes pedestrian, so
like they're not really that big ofa deal, right exactly. But yeah,
sou and you know, I wantto move on with a counterpoint for
um, you know our star witnesshere that he there are claims that he
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is actually really out there right nowif you watch the congressional hearing. He
presents himself not in the lunatic WoodyHarrelson, in a trailer type person.
Right. Um, he's you knowpretty much looks on the level. Yeah,
talks on the level. Yeah,Yeah, comes across is credible.
But he has some you know,outrageous things that he's been saying. Yeah,
(31:06):
with any kind of paranoia or notparanoia, what's the word I'm looking
for. The conspiracy. There's youknow, possibility that it is him.
It's possibility that's actually true. Right. But Um, the first thing,
and this is the one that Ifind like, Okay, this is kind
of discrediting of UFOs that he's talkingabout. The UAPs he's talking about don't
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come from other planets, they arefrom another dimension. Yeah, and so
the space between the space all right, I hated that in Indiana Jones for
And so as a result, it'syou know, it's not that they have
necessarily uh technology that will help usmove through you know, billions of light
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years, you know, faster thanwe know now we now know how to
do it. It's a it's actuallygoing into different dimensions and things like that.
And it does that lead us intolike multiverses, other earths or other.
Yeah, you know, I don'tknow. I don't know the full
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extent of this. Obviously, hedidn't elaborate on his claims the I don't
want to necessarily denote origin. Idon't think we have all the data to
say, oh, they're coming froma certain location. We know there are
extra dimensions due to high energy particlecollisions, and there's a theoretical framework to
explain that, and so that's whathe's saying. So it's kind of like
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out there. Of Now, Ihad referenced that he said that the alien
him, his wife has seen horrificthings. The aliens are not here,
they're here for for malicious actions.And Dave, you found some stuff to
either rebute that or a Reddit threadabout that was taken down, right,
So his actual one of the quotesthat I found here. Okay, so
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this is a whole article on NewYork Magazine about him being kind of out
there. You know, it's ananti hymn, but in this section,
UFOs have gotten aggressive at times.His quote. The logical fallacy there is
because they're advanced, they're kind ifwe look at it through a humanistic lens,
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it appears negative. So basically,there's malevolent activity by these beings,
whatever they are, and that youknow, we're thinking because they're advanced,
they're kind that's not the case.In addition, this is follows up with
the people have been killed to protectthe secrets. His quote there's a number
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of quotes here, but the onethat really, you know, sums it
up. Yeah, I've heard ofsome really Unamerican things I don't want to
repeat right now, talking about hidingthese things and whatnot. So you know,
there's a negative side to all ofthis. But some of the other
things that he is talking about thatare interesting. His first case that he
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was talked that he was briefed onwas a UFO UIV downed in Italy and
nineteen thirty three, so that longago, and that the Mussolini government,
the fascist government of Italy had controlof this, and that the US worked
with the Vatican and Pope Pious thetwelfth back channeled the existence of the object
(34:35):
so that the US could get itin nineteen forty four or forty five,
about the time we were overcoming theproblems with the nuclear bomb. Interesting,
I'm adding that last part. Yeah, wait, are trying to say,
Oppenheimer had a little help from alientechnology. There was a lot of people
(34:58):
on the project who's Beenheimer. Andanother thing is that these crafts, a
lot of them are very large,like a football football field kind of size.
Um the Yeah, so there's somepretty big craft and the US government
has turned them over to private contractorsso that they can study them. And
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now it's not just government, butit's also a big business. Of course.
Sorry as a long pause, butit's kind of I was like,
turning that kind of technology over toprivate contractor seems dangerous. Maybe it's more
dangerous just to me in the handsof the government too, I don't know.
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But turn over to big business andletting big business develop products. There's
a documentary millions of money off ofsaid technology. Yeah, I mean when
all could benefit right from said technology, not just one cup company that won
the contract. Right. Well,I mean this is where the documentary series
Transformers comes into play, because inthe first documentary it really was about the
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government control and what was it sectionnineteen or see and um, you know,
you know with that, folks,discussions turned into a Transformers discussion.
But then when you get to theheroism of you know, private citizens stepping
up and one um, fourth andwell you know you're a Transformers, Yes,
(36:35):
yes, and um in the fourthdocumentary where Mark Wahlberg steps up the
I think I found Transformer. Theinformation has been handed over to the brilliant
mind of CEO Stanley Tucci in orderto really make this into a civilian type
of thing and make billions and billions. And yes, yeah, so the
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documentary series covers all of this already. Yeah, you know what, Dave,
You're right. I am being sotongue in cheek right now, but
it sort of makes sense. Yeah, I mean where we tried to watch
The Rise of the Beasts last night, Oh god, we didn't get very
first and it wasn't very good,so we just put the first one in
him, which I like the fifthone last night or first night or something
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night, Well, I couldn't getthrough that. It was and as a
result of that one, I'm like, god, I'm out. I mean,
the first movie was excellent, secondmovie was excellent. Third and fourth
I can watch, but fifth andon yeah, they're just not that good.
But anyway, so these UAP sightingsexperts say might be a tributal tribute
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to board Holy attributable to balloons,drones, optical illusions, or even the
blinking lights of a commercial airliner inthe pin Gone has said they have seen
no evidence linking UAPs to alien activity, though they have not ruled out that
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explanation. But so basically, yeah, they're doing what they always do.
Of course it's not right aliens.But look, I believe in extraterrestrial life.
You know, when you look outin the sky, every star,
if every star is the Sun,then there's got to be another planet.
(38:30):
And just maybe they advanced, uhyou know, or more advanced than we
are. Right, they can reachus, and they're exploring the galaxy.
Right, I think that's an absolutepossibility, and I do. I want
them to be kind, yeah,and help and teaching and make us make
(38:51):
help, make us better, youknow, just just the way I got
see no movies to know we're here, just to consume our resources and destroy
sid move on. I have awhole diet tribe. I want to go
on, right, go, well, any last thoughts from you. I
have a final quote, and thisis from M. Ryan Graves. He
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says, I urge us to putaside stigma and address the security and the
safety issue. This topic represents.If uap are foreign drones, it is
urgent. It is an urgent nationalsecurity problem. If it's something else,
it is an issue for science.In either case, unidentified objects are a
(39:35):
concern for flight safety. The Americanpeople deserve to know what is happening in
our skies. It is long overdue. Yeah, no, I totally agree
with that. Yeah, okay,go on your tangent, go for it.
So I have a lot of topics, and yeah, I've probably been
drinking too much that I won't rememberall of them, but a few things
(39:58):
here. So Number one, I'vealways believed that there is extraterrestrial life.
Alien life really excites me. Ifyou haven't picked up on that in the
last however, many episodes were onnow. Yeah, but the I honestly
we talked about this in the Vegasthing. I don't believe that they actually
are reaching us necessarily. Maybe thatwas the under the Ocean one, one
of those two we've talked about aliensnow three episodes in a row. And
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but this gives me hope that thiscould be possible, that we actually could
have these kinds of things, LikeI think of alien life as a micro
battle on some other planet. Butthe fact that maybe we do have craft,
maybe we do with pilots, maybewe do have contact with other civilizations
through some mechanism. You know,this gives me hope for that. I
(40:45):
do think that you know, ifthey're good, great, if we can
reverse enger their engineer their stuff evenbetter. You know, who knows what
technology we have now that we've gainedbecause of that? Well, when I
understand velcro and micwave ovens, right, men in black um, But the
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it doesn't actually seem like our technologyhas jumped any like we don't. If
you look at technology curves, it'sin the same pattern of what we've been
on. So it's not like whateverwe've gleaned from this is either being released
to jump us way ahead, orthat it's giving us that much of an
advantage, right, which would makesense if it's in a multidimensional type of
(41:30):
craft, civilization, whatever, andthat they're not actually going over light speed
and things like that. But evenjust the UM, if the the tic
TAC went eighty thousand feet in afew seconds descending, that would create a
huge fireball. And if it didn'tdo that, that would defy physics as
(41:51):
we know it, which is whatthe guys. Yeah, and then to
show up, you know, sixtymiles away in under a minute. Also,
we don't have technology for that,right, but what if we do.
But it's several thousand years from nowand all the TIC TAC, the
(42:13):
UAVs, it's time travel, it'sus. It's us as human beings.
Right, So to show up amile oh and that amount of time,
well, the the UAP it cantime jump, right, that's why it's
not crossing the fireballs. That's whyit could be a mile away in a
split second. Right, And justsorry, I just threw that out there.
(42:37):
That's a possibility. Yeah, theyou know, splitting time. You
know, we saw it with Tenantand nobody watched Tenant. I watched Tenant.
Okay, from what I heard,it's unwatchable. Oh it's it's very
very confusing. It it really messeswith your brain. But let's going another
way. Everybody saw a time copy, not housing to go back in time.
(43:00):
Yeah, if you finished Tenant,you feel like you've accomplished something at
the end. Okay, it's worththe payoff. I mean, it's it's
not like it's, you know,the most exciting thing in the world.
It's not an m Night Shamalan revealor anything, but you it all makes
sense. The story ends, well, it's worth it. But that's a
(43:22):
different tangent. The coming back tothe alien biologics. The I go back
to what I was talking about withum, the Las Vegas craft, where
what if these were just probes beingshot out and maybe these are are the
the jailed aliens or the you know, the the scum of society or those
(43:45):
types of things or whatever. Wemay not be receiving the full pilot.
We may not. It's this maynot be an active craft. This could
be like, hey, you're sentencedto exile. You're on this media and
we're sending it and it happens tohit Earth. For second, you're saying
that Earth is alcatraz for some alienplanet and they're dropping aliens down here to
(44:09):
serve their their time, and that'swhy they're malicious, because they're they're the
bad ones, right, and we'rejust uh, what was that movie with
leota Um where he was sent toa prison colony and um, it's,
(44:29):
uh, there's a warden, butit's basically the prisoners are left to be
savages to each other. And Idon't look it up anyways. Um the
so yeah, UM, you know, with recovering alien biologics, that can
mean a lot of things. Itdoesn't mean that we're you know, we've
recovered a full pilot. Doesn't meanwe've encountered us intelligent civilization. It could
(44:52):
even mean just that we've recovered microbesfrom our rock like like Auve Loebe talks
about, so the um you know, it's not a um you know,
and I'll be all that we've recoveredbiologics, non human biologics. UM.
But I really really want this tobe true. And I think that at
(45:15):
this point the American public in thefifties would have freaked out at this kind
of stuff. In today's ay andage, I don't think it would surprise
us. And if if we declassifiedall of this and we just went with
it, I think the public canhandle it and that there's really no If
(45:39):
they're malevolent, then there's no reasonnot for us to become protected against that.
If they're nice, well then let'sstart that and see where, you
know, let's accelerate our civilization resultof that. Like, there's no reason
not to do this at this point. Yeah, there's been a lot of
(46:00):
theories that the government's been releasing certainthings because they're trying to get us used
to activated. Yeah, they're tryingto get us used to the fact.
That kind of makes sense to todrip on us, right, Right,
so when big reveals come, we'renot shocked. We won't we won't be
(46:20):
right, we read we've been readyfor this since we've been kids, right,
because we know aliens exist. Butyou know why, I think that
right now they could do a fullreal reveal of we have ships, we
have this. Oh by the way, they're people will be like, hey,
that's not real. No, notnot that Okay, I thought we're
going like we could release it's anactual video of people like nah, that
(46:45):
that's fake. People are apathetic andthey just don't care anymore. There's so
much going on in life. It'slike, oh, now we got aliens
to deal with too, or they'retoo busy being an influencer on ticket that
they just could care less. Butthere's gonna be a lot of people that
will say, now it's fake,it's AI. That's that video is not
(47:07):
real. That's not an actual videothat the government. There's gonna be that
too, because now we have technologythat can make. Uh stuff looks so
realistic, right, so it's gonnabe really hard to know, like is
that actual video of right? SoI don't know. And then it was
(47:28):
Abbie though they said AI would bewhere aliens tried to make first contacts.
So I'm like at this point,I don't even know, right, right,
Well, what if open AI,Microsoft, Google, Metah, that's
the companies that have the craft.Well, Mark Zuckerberg does look like an
alien? Oh yeah, yeah,not just looks like or what an alien
(47:52):
thinks humans look like. I'm prettysure if you pulled his skin back you
would find a lizard. Yeah,not advocated until back, but he really
does you know what? And sodoes Elon Musk a little yeah. Yeah,
And they're both rich power from mancontrolling companies. Aliens already been,
and they're going to fight time.Maybe they're warring extraterrestrial civilizations. That's hilarious.
(48:16):
Uh yeah, So Elon Musk andMark Zuckerberg for some reason, we're
having some war of words and ledto like, I'll fight you just picked
the time of place. Yeah,And now I'm like, all right,
I would watch this on a payper view. But also I assume maybe
(48:37):
Mark Zuckerberg is taking like jiu jitsu. Do what's Elon Musk doing? Like
maybe they're having like an honor battleand you've got you know, maybe they
just meant a video game back.You've got the Viper against the Mountain and
we'll see how it goes. Wherewould you put your money? Straight street
(48:58):
fight? Uh? Uh? Facebook? Mark versus Twitter? No x X
Elon? Where actually them not?They don't have proxies or anything. Nope.
Actually then no one actually pays ConnorMcGregor to come in. They're at
a bar. They all had theyeach had like a couple drinks, and
you know, they start mouthing offand now they're fighting Elon Musk. You
(49:22):
would give it because Mark Zuckerberg ismade of wax. He definitely doesn't the
human. I feel like he's probablytaking like he's doing some jiu jitsu and
he'll just tie up Elon Musk andchoke him out. You know, he
used to be super skinny, andI feel like he's got some muscle definition
now he doesn't look as tiny.Talking about don't look like his Oh no,
(49:45):
no, no, no, I'mtalking about but Elon has rage.
Oh yeah, all right, jeez, I'm still I'll pick Well, yeah,
both of them would be okay ifthey fail, right it choked each
other out. But no, seethat's actually as we were talking about it.
That's the worry is what if theyrevert to their true alien form and
(50:07):
use their full alien technology against eachother, thus causing a mass apocalypse on
the earth. Right, because they'redefinitely both from not we all, it
becomes idiocracy. We're sitting there like, oh, we've got Musk versus Zuckerberg,
good awesome, drinking beer, havinga good time, shouting out loud,
(50:27):
and they end up, you know, releasing their particle cannons, and
everyone's just ionized. We just madea great movie. Yeah, people would
totally watch them and even kind oflike, would you call that a tongue
in cheek? It'd be a littlesatirical. People would watch two social media
giants. We'd make up fake namesin our movement and and we'd have them
(50:51):
actually yucker and Muscos why are wenot pitching this to Netflix right now?
They were totally making it would beI know, oh crap a copyright,
Netflix, since you're trying to likeAI people to keep using them in your
movies, right, I'm gonna copyrightthat right now. But yeah, it
(51:13):
was kind of like that movie upin the Sky, don't look up,
don't look up, this guy,don't look up. I haven't seen it.
Yeah, we can make it verysatirical. And then proof it was
right there that they're they're both aliens, but people are watching the pay per
view so they don't really believe what'shappening around them. I don't know,
we got something there. If you'vebeen listening to the show long enough,
(51:36):
we've written fifty plus movies. Yeah, on the second half of this podcast.
Yeah, and we've made zero.Right, But if you're a Hollywood
producer, you'd like to make amovie once the strikes are over, give
us a call. We're non unionaffiliated at this point. Well, that's
right. I would like to getto the point where we're doing it and
(51:58):
we should become unaffiliated, but wehaven't made that yet, so therefore we're
open. And I wasn't trying tosegue into this, but if you're going
to be a gen Con, thebiggest four days of gaming in Indianapolis,
indian Yes, our movie, TheQuest for Karma is in the gen Con
(52:22):
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selected our film. This was thefilm fest that I kind of like hopes
some dreams that our little nerdy Dand D esque movie would make it into.
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And if you're not going to bea gen Con, you can watch
it online just you know, goto YouTube the Quest for Karma or just
look up Dark Babe. You'll findour movie. Check it out. And
there even aren't correct me if I'mwrong. They're streaming the They are doing
an online confest, so you canwatch from their website. Yep, all
the movies that made it into thefilm fest, right, and it could
(53:06):
be a great way to see alot of nerdy um films, yeah,
by indie filmmakers just like us.And not to go on on a rant,
but I've already done it once,so I'll do it on the second
one. We would be there rightnow, well maybe not right now,
in a couple of days, tobe there in person watching it and promoting
it. But the hotel block wasalready sold out by the time they announced
(53:32):
the nominees. That's my only complaint. Yeah, like, seriously, don't
do that if you reserve a blockfor the hotel for the movie for the
filmmakers. Yeah, but there yougo. Yeah, we're a film fest
filmmakers, all right. So Idid think that was interesting. I'm sure
there's still a lot to unpack.I'm sure the stuff we skimmed over,
(53:54):
But at the end of the day, I feel like it brings us one
step closer to like aliens are real. Yeah, I'm happy either way.
I want it to be good.But they're bad, then I know what
happens. We all every country,every humane bands together and we take them
down. Yeah. Yeah, ifyou want more information, the hearing is
(54:15):
on YouTube, so you can actuallywatch it. It's two and a half
hours, so you have that's thefull version. Yeah, there's a bridge
versions, but okay, you probablywant to watch the full version, yeah,
to get the full story. Youknow, see, after listening to
us talk about it, you mightwant to watch the full version because we
probably messed a few things up.Yeah all right. Hey, if you
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(55:01):
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yet, we don't, Yeah,okay, okay, secret, secret,
(55:23):
all right is that it I don'thave any more fight left in me.
You're no Suckerberg. Oh no,no, I have fight left in me,
but not on the topics for discussion, all right, until next time.
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Punchers. I'm Mark, I'm Alicia, I'm Dave. No Nash because Nash
is up in Alaska salmon fishing,So sorry Alaska. But if there's a
rash of Sasquatch sightings this week,yeah it's Nash. I hope you have
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a great time many when you getback, and I hope you're bringing some
tasty salmon. I know, becausewe just actually had salmon. It's a
restaurant. We all picked salmon.Yeah, it wasn't all asking. No,
No, that fresh caught by Nashsalmon. Uh are you sure about
that? Maybe not? Maybe not? All right? Hey, on this
(01:21):
episode, we're gonna talk about again. We're gonna do a like a very
current topic. We're gonna talk aboutthe UFO alien briefings that they just had
the congressional hearing about. We're gonnatalk about some you a pete Okay,
(01:46):
my turn? Was that a handoffpoint? Yeah? No, someone might
say dramatic pop, Okay, that'swhere you insert they all right. Uh.
Three former military harry officials have testifiedbefore a House Oversight subcommittee on Wednesday,
July twenty six that they believe thegovernment knows much more about UFOs than
(02:10):
it is telling the public. Imean, of course they do, and
the Pentagon has denied the claims.So during the hearing there was testimony about
unexplained object sightings and the government's possessionof non human biological matter, but it
(02:30):
also kind of centered actually it wasmore about improving processes for reporting UAPs and
the transparency on the events. YO. What I found interesting where they're talking
about what only five yeah up signingsget reported right now, is that because
(02:52):
everybody shrugs their shoulders and like whybother or well, there's probably a lot
of people that believe or feel likenobody's going to believe that um, or
like you're hallucinating or whatever. Sonow for the go ahead, I was
just gonna say, you know,the UAPs can uh have a lot of
different things, and they're not allaliens um, So it may be one
(03:13):
of those they're all aliens, it'saliens um. But the Uh. You
know, when you see a weatherballoon, you you're probably like, oh,
they're probably tracking that some other way, right, I'm not gonna report
it, but gotcha. Got so. Uh, you know, growing up,
UFO is always the term, butthey're using this now now. They're
(03:36):
calling them u aps Unidentified un anomalousphenomenon. Now, Davey, we were
talking earlier, but anomalous uh meanswhat. Well, you know, it's
because it's cocovering like things that couldbe in the sky in the ocean,
right, Yeah, they they changedit used to be UM. When they
(03:58):
first started using UAP, it wasunidentified aerial phenomena, but that was too
specific. So anomalous basically is youknow, generic, anonymous, whatever you
however you want to describe it.But uh, into their specific thing,
they included submerged and trans medium objectsto in addition to aerial So that's why
(04:19):
so I'm because my brain is like, oh, so aliens are living under
the ocean. Well, we've hada number of topics, and of course
I can't recall right now where itseemed like the craft was coming out of
the ocean m episode. I reallydon't remember. So I do have some
(04:39):
bullet points on what a UAP typical. They're characteristics Okay, round a typical
orientation, altitude between ten to thirtyk. I guess feet in the air,
speeds of the mok too, right, which is interesting because the ones
(04:59):
will get to for this hearing thatis slow, no thermal exhaust detected okay,
and intermittent radar signature right so Icould blip on and blip off of
our radar screens. Okay, allright, Well, UM, so the
three different people, um, thefirst one that spoke was a former Navy
(05:25):
pilot, um, maybe fighter pilot, yeah, Ryan Graves. The second
guy was a retired major David Grush, and then third guy retired commander David
Fraver. Now I'm not sure whichguy do you guys want to start with,
because they were all kind of theywere very interesting, like there are
(05:47):
points, so I think starting withGraves. He was Navy lieutenant and fighter
pilot and um he was assigned tooriginally around radar are something to do with
radar. I didn't quite understand exactlythe specifics of what they were talking about,
but that at one point the radargot upgraded and when it did,
(06:10):
UAP sightings went through the roof basicallywhatever they did for military purposes, suddenly
could see a lot more of thesethings. Again, they might be weather
balloons, they might be in whatever, but either way we can we're now
picking up a lot more yes ofUAPs in the yes. So he is
(06:32):
one that he's created an organization foundationwhatever to support pilots when they see these
things, making sure that they're gettingthe proper representation and not being um you
know, spoken out against things likethat. But he had a really interesting
thing occur that he was part of. Two FA teams were flying in formation.
(06:57):
This was off the coast of VirginiaBeach twenty fourteen, Yes, and
all of a sudden, this umuap like went right down the middle of
the two of them and uh,you know, cut them in half,
as they say, not actually damagingthe planes, but um you know,
going right between cargo paths. Right. I mean, if you've seen top
(07:21):
gun magic, Maverick, this ishe does the same kind of a thing,
but he's in another fighter. Iwant to see top gun magic because
that what you said, Maverick,because that sounds um. But the in
this case, it was a darkgray or a black cube inside of a
clear sphere. Yeah, that's likethat's kind of like a little bit mind
(07:44):
blowing. So it's kind of insidea clear sphere, but it's a cube,
right, Yeah, I mean,is it it seems like maybe like
an alien probe, right, likesending down to collect data, right right,
like a drone or something. Yeah. Um, in this case,
it uh, the no one washarmed, but the pilots did file a
(08:07):
safety alert on it. Um,nothing was you know, withheld. The
pilots weren't discriminated against or anything likethat. Um. And this was part
of the congressional hearing where he youknow, verified that that you know,
there was no repercussions to them.But um, he's the one that came
up with the five percent report ratefor this, and I was really trying
(08:28):
to advocate for those pilots to getmore reporting and protection. You know.
It's okay, so I brought thatup earlier, that we're only hearing about
five percent of them. Is itbecause some people, like some pilots just
don't want to do it. Theydon't want to be made fun of,
per se Like oh yeah you sawUFO, Yeah, sure you did.
I don't know some of that iswhy it's like a low report rate.
(08:50):
So I saw follow up with withhim where he was talking about they'll actually
pilots will discuss what to do ifI c a UAP before they go up
on their their mission. Okay,and it's it's a topic of conversation.
So I don't think it's among pilotsthat they're not reporting it, whether they
feel ostracized from their upper echelons.But they confirmed here that none of in
(09:15):
the congressional hearing, they were askedspecifically, was there ever repercussions against you
or others for reporting these things?And they all answered no. So the
I don't know why they don't becausethe aliens mind wipe them, right.
Yeah. His the group that hefounded. It supports aviators who have reported
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similar phenomena UM and the objects thatare reportedly being seen by military and commercial
pilots. So and a lot ofthese um these sightings, they're they're maneuvering
much more than what our technology canhandle. Yes, so yeah, that's
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a good point. This isn't justmilitary, this is also commercial commercial as
well. Yeah. Yeah, butalong that lines, we were talking about
that they're doing maneuvers that are unexplainable. But he did say if everybody could
see the censor video data that hewitnessed, the national conversation about UAPs would
change, right, Which is hesaying that y'all would believe you would see
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what I saw. There's a lotof read between the lines and a lot
of the testimony on this topic.Yeah, you know, if you read
between the lines, it does soundlike, at least according to this group.
Great Yeah, well yeah, Ithink all three of them, um,
certain things they were like, well, I can't comment on that,
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right, So obviously they might knowa little bit more than they're leading onto
the right. Yeah, so Iguess in the official capacity. So he
was in there because of his hisgroup that he's founded, and his personal
experience. Yeah, um, Fravererwas there because his incident was actually declassified.
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Yes, so he could speak publiclyabout it now and grouse forget if
I'm pronouncing that right, um,grouse whatever. U he's there because he's
considered a whistle blower. Yes.But the interesting thing, and we'll get
to him, not jumping to himright now, but the the fact that
he wasn't willing to disclose everything.He's like, I can't talk about that,
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right, but he's being a whistleblower. That to me adds a little
bit of credibility. Like no,and even in the U the hearing,
he was like, I can't sayanything about this now, but if we
can go to what are they callingit? Was it a swell a swall
of it was basically if they allgot security clearances, they could do it.
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And it's not on video and there'sno recording of it private congressional here.
Absolutely yeah. But so also RyanGraves and I didn't write this down
in my notes, but um,in the in the hearing, he did
talk about also they they saw someI thought he said like red like giant
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squares or orange squares. And I'mnot sure. Um, I wish I
would have written it down. Justpopped in my head. It's the borg,
wasn't Their ship was a big square? Um. So I just found
that interesting, Like he's had Um, I don't know if he's you know,
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he has seen certain things, butbut he's also talked to a lot
of people, um, and thethings that they've seen, So I don't
know if he actually saw the redsquares, but um, but I thought
that wasn't very interesting. Yea,that happened. Now retired Commander David Fraver
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his encounter actually happened in two thousandand four. Yes, and it wasn't
released. The video wasn't released untiltwenty twenty um, which you said,
yeah, it got declassified. Buthe it's the tic tac. Yeah,
this is one of the everybody's probablyif you're right, you've probably seen the
tik tak video, right, yes, not TikTok, TikTok right, um,
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So he and three others they sawa white tik tak shaped flying object
emerge over the San Diego Coast inCalifornia. That real quick, Yeah,
go for it. I don't knowthe average age of our listeners, but
does everybody know tik taks? Like, are they still a thing? Oh?
You know what, I don't evenknow. I think you can get
tic TACs still, right, Idon't know. I would assume everybody knows
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what that is. But if not. A tic tac was kind of like
a little pillow shaped breathmant came ina clear plastic container, rectangle shaped,
and you can just also shake it, so you had the shaking of the
tik tak. Your pocket had alittle flip top boom. You can pop
up tik tak in your mouth,then your fresh breath can kiss away.
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The fruit flavor was the Orange Warperfect. I only liked the meant everything
else. I was like, no, I don't, I don't need other
flavors. But anyway, so aquote, yeah, a quote from him.
He said there were no rotors,no rotor wash or any visible flight
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control services like wings. So asthey tried to get closer to the object,
it rapidly accelerated it and disappeared rightin front of the aircraft, and
it was leaving no detectable turbulence.So another quote from him, the technologically
we faced was far superior than anythingwe had. I'm not a UFO fanatic,
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but what we saw with four setsof eyes, we have nothing close
to it. It was incredible technology. Right. So a little bit more
on that. So he is actuallya graduate of top Gun, so he
is, you know, of theupper echelon of our our fighter pilots,
or was at the time that thishappened. When you say four sets of
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eyes, so they each had aweapon system officer behind them. So it
was two planes, two pilots,two whiz those behind yes, and when
they were they were on a trainingmission and radar picked up multiple anomalous aerial
vehicles, and so they went toinvestigate. And when they went there,
they said it defied the laws ofphysics, at least human physics, because
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how he worded it, it droppedeighty thousand feet in less than a second.
So they saw these things coming inand it just I mean, that's
really really quick. Um white tictac looking object, and it was aware
that they were there. It wasmimicking moves of the fighter jets. And
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then when they went to go into get a closer view, it accelerated
away so fast that it was basicallylike it disappeared, and they picked it
up on radar a less than aminute after that, but it was over
sixty miles away. Wow, So, I mean, these things are going
really really fast. One of theinteresting quotes that I heard from him was
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that he doesn't know what kind ofpilot it would take to do this,
but he would love to be oneof them. Very cool now. He
also said that it was several yearsbefore any officials followed up to ask about
the events of the day, andthen after that nothing was done right,
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So it was almost like it quietlywas pushed into the corner. But in
the congressional hearing, he did saythat he doesn't think there was any malice
to it, that it was likeeverything else. You have things that are
too big, they just get putin a destro and yeah, like where
the ark of the coming in inthe story? Right? So, uh,
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the last guy that we're going totalk about is retired Major David Grush
or Grush. I'm not sure howto say his name. I've only watched
the video like five times now andI still butcher. In twenty nineteen,
um Grush said that he was askedby the head of a government task force
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on UAPs to identify all highly classifiedprograms relating to the task force mission at
the time. He was detailed tothe National Reconnaissance Office, which is the
agency that operates like US spy satellitesand stuff like that. A quote for
him, I was informed in thecourse of my official duties of a multidecade
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UAP crash retrieval in reverse injuring Engineerhearing program to which I was denied access.
So like he came, he cameinto this information. But then they
were like, no, you can'tYou can't really look into it more.
We're recovering UAPs, but we can'ttell you more. Right, Well,
what do you think the multi decadeup crash retrieval and reverse engineering? What
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do you think they're referring to?Maybe? Yeah, yeah, So he
says that it is highly likely thatthe US has been aware of non human
activities since the nineteen thirties, andis absolutely certain that the federal government is
in possession of UAPs, and heknows the exact locations that are in the
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military's possession, but he couldn't sayin the hearing, yes, obviously.
He also alluded to that there area lot of people with a lot of
knowledge of this and that he wouldn'the can't say for sure because he doesn't
know what information has been communicated,but that he wouldn't be surprised that Congress
is being withheld information. So,are you know public knowledge? Hearings things
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like that, are you know,we don't know what's going on for real?
Right? So, he was askedby representative of Jared Moscowitz he is
from Florida, how such a programis funded, and Grush claimed that the
effort is above Congressional oversight and bankrolledby a misappropriation of funds. So Moscowitz
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were replied, does that mean thatthere is money in the budget that is
set to go to a program butit doesn't and it goes to something else?
And he said, yes, Ihave specific knowledge of that, but
of course Grush she couldn't confirm orsay what it's going to because it's classified.
So right, So basically, thereis money in a budget for some
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program. Everybody, Oh, that'scool, right, but that program is
fake because it's going to the alienresearch right, which we obviously the government
doesn't want you to know, right, and the program managers of the original
program probably don't know the difference.They're like, I budget one hundred thousand
for this thing, and you goto use it and they're told, no,
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you can't use that. Well IBudge did for it, well you
know, and they're just told no, you know, yeah, costs are
too high or whatever. You know, that's how you shuffle things around.
Yeah, seven forbid. They actuallyjust set up yeah, fun for alien
research, right, I mean,come on, I think we could handle
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that, right, Yeah, Americapublic can handle knowing there's aliens and the
governments are researching it and you know, yeah, well that's actually part of
my final thoughts. We'll come backto that now. Grush says that he
has not personally spotted a UAP orany you know, alien bodies, but
his opinions are based on the countsof over forty witnesses that he interviewed while
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he was on the UAP task Force. He also said he has interviewed individuals
who has recovered non human biologics fromcrashed UAPs. Biologics. Yeah, I
think he had to say that liketwice he had like him like, yeah,
I'm talking that there's he didn't referto him as like alien like bodies
right now, but it was biologicsthat were of non human right right.
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And then to me, that's sayhe was saying like, yeah, no,
we recovered alien species of some sort, right, Yeah, well there
was like a little vial of itcould be there, right, It could
be that, it could be blood, it could be you know, ooze,
it could be yeah. Yeah.The original yeah, So the original
answer he gave was that in therecovered craft the question was did we recover
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the pilots of those crafts? Andhe said, yes, we've recovered biologics.
And then do you mean human ornon human? And he said non
human. Yeah, he said heprefers to use the term non human rather
than alien or extraterrestrial. Right,so it could be tigers. I mean
we could have a whole Tiger AirForce. Oh my gosh, I mean
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that's terrifying. Yeah right, yeah, so inside the tic TACs a couple
of lions and tigers bears. Ohmy, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
So David says that he actually hebecame a whistle blower after joining this program
in twenty nineteen, after having allof this um these witnesses, having testimony
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from them, like, he feltlike he needed to he needed to tell
somebody. But he has received retaliationsince coming forward. He's and this is
a quote from him, it hasbeen very brutal and very unfortunate, the
tactics they used to hurt me,both professionally and personally. He refrained from
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sharing obviously detailed information in the hearing, but he did offer, obviously we
said this, that he would doit behind closed doors. He was asked
at one point in the hearing whetheranyone had been murdered to cover up information,
and uh, he said he couldn'tcomment that, so yep, yeah,
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And I think he mentioned administrative terrorismis what he was calling the the
retaliation, So I don't know exactlywhat that is in I don't know what
that would necessarily mean. I thinkthat's a more egregious form of office politics.
Okay, that's what sounds like tome. Although maybe they've learned terrorists
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efforts from what they've gleaned from thebiologics and they're using them against him.
I don't know. Um. Oneof the other statements that he said under
oath that this is the one thatreally actually got me. I know where
you're going. This one's kind oflike, of course, right, they're
not here to be kind. Ohoh, I wasn't going on that one,
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okay. I was going on theum has our government made contact with
intelligent extraterrestrial life? And his responsewas I can't comment on that. I
was talking that he made a referenceto. Somebody asked him, like,
you think they're they're here to doharm and he basically said yes, okay.
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He said, my wife and Ihad both witnessed some horrific things.
I missed that. Yeah, hedid mention that, I am okay,
So I'm assuming that he's saying like, they're it's not et, they're not
friendly, and they're not going toeat Reese's pieces. They're looking to see
And maybe that's why we have storiesof anal probing and cattle delaious. They're
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here, they're so far advanced theywe are literally just I don't know,
shave apes to them. Yeah,and they just feel like, no,
we could experimental so below them thatthey can do horrific things to us because
they just don't see us as anything. Right, that's scary. Yeah,
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yeah, yeah, but you know, I I honestly, I I really
don't see it. You would wantit to be Star Trek, where once
we did something, we would havefirst contact with an intelligence race that is
building this united federation of other planetsthat are coming together. No, of
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course it would go down the oppositeway, where like, oh, look
at these people, let's destroy them. Well, if you think about it,
like the UM, if Nash washere, he would smack me.
I don't know enough about Star Trekto remember what the U directive was that
he basically, you don't make contact. You don't make first contact until they're
ready, they until they've gotten thewarp drive. Yeah, um, the
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there's a name for that. Iforget what that name is, and I'm
sure I'll get hate for that,but that's the directive that the prime directive,
the prime directive. Okay, sothis isn't the only one who watched
the Star Trek bro Okay, butthat's like his he loves Star Trek um.
But in any case, the um, if you think about it,
think of and yes we're using Hollywoodmovies as an example here, you know,
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documentaries, but the uh, youknow, if if if there was
an alien civilization, alien uh conglomeratereally of different races and species across the
galaxy doing these things, and they'relike, yeah, don't don't contact other
life until they're ready. Right,it's gonna be the evil ones that are
like, I don't care, I'mgoing down the right. It wasn't there
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a theory at least we've talked aboutit, and I'm sure other people talked
about it. It's once we dropthe atomic bomb that that's when we got
the attention of higher life forms andthen or is it from a movie I've
watched? Huh, But you knowthat maybe that puts us on the radar
maybe some we're like, oh,these guys did this, huh, let's
(27:30):
go down and start messing with them, maybe attracted the attention of not good
right right, flat forms like wantto just terrorize study first until they know
all our ins and outs, andthen just yeah so I'm sorry, it's
okay, dark right, Yeah,so I do have the government's response.
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Yeah, well, why don't wetake a quick break and we'll come back
with what the government says. We'llbe right back, and we're back right,
So we're gonna move on. We'regonna have what the government's response was,
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Yes, um SO. In astatement, Defense Department spokes was spokeswoman
Sue gal go H said investigators havenot discovered any verifiable information to substantiate claims
that any programs regarding the possession orreverse engineering of extra terrestrial materials have existed
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in the past or exist currently,um SO Pentagon officials. In December um
said that they had received several hundredsof new reports since launching a renewed effort
to investigate reports of UFOSUM. Atthat point, we have not seen anything
and we're still very early on thatwould lead us to believe that any of
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the objects that we have seen areof alien origin. That's exactly what I
would expect. It was pronounced lastname to say uh and uh. The
spokesperson said, any unauthorized system inour airspace we deem as a threat,
as we deem as a threat tosafety. So um, so yeah,
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they were like, we we haven'tseen anything, but if something's in the
air, we're we're gonna deem ita threat. But look at that documentary
the activity around July fourth, andyou know the compartmentalization. Most of the
military didn't know in that movie.The president didn't even know about what they
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had an AFT, right, onlythe Defense secretary, Yeah, the sector
right, Yeah, and I'll see, we just watched Transformers lessons, right,
we did. I'll finish with them. They the government has felt pressure
to release information, but anything thatthey've really released, like all the videos
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and stuff, they have all beenand this is in quotes pedestrian, so
like they're not really that big ofa deal, right exactly. But yeah,
sou and you know, I wantto move on with a counterpoint for
um, you know our star witnesshere that he there are claims that he
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is actually really out there right nowif you watch the congressional hearing. He
presents himself not in the lunatic WoodyHarrelson, in a trailer type person.
Right. Um, he's you knowpretty much looks on the level. Yeah,
talks on the level. Yeah,Yeah, comes across is credible.
But he has some you know,outrageous things that he's been saying. Yeah,
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with any kind of paranoia or notparanoia, what's the word I'm looking
for. The conspiracy. There's youknow, possibility that it is him.
It's possibility that's actually true. Right. But Um, the first thing,
and this is the one that Ifind like, Okay, this is kind
of discrediting of UFOs that he's talkingabout. The UAPs he's talking about don't
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come from other planets, they arefrom another dimension. Yeah, and so
the space between the space all right, I hated that in Indiana Jones for
And so as a result, it'syou know, it's not that they have
necessarily uh technology that will help usmove through you know, billions of light
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years, you know, faster thanwe know now we now know how to
do it. It's a it's actuallygoing into different dimensions and things like that.
And it does that lead us intolike multiverses, other earths or other.
Yeah, you know, I don'tknow. I don't know the full
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extent of this. Obviously, hedidn't elaborate on his claims the I don't
want to necessarily denote origin. Idon't think we have all the data to
say, oh, they're coming froma certain location. We know there are
extra dimensions due to high energy particlecollisions, and there's a theoretical framework to
explain that, and so that's whathe's saying. So it's kind of like
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out there. Of Now, Ihad referenced that he said that the alien
him, his wife has seen horrificthings. The aliens are not here,
they're here for for malicious actions.And Dave, you found some stuff to
either rebute that or a Reddit threadabout that was taken down, right,
So his actual one of the quotesthat I found here. Okay, so
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this is a whole article on NewYork Magazine about him being kind of out
there. You know, it's ananti hymn, but in this section,
UFOs have gotten aggressive at times.His quote. The logical fallacy there is
because they're advanced, they're kind ifwe look at it through a humanistic lens,
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it appears negative. So basically,there's malevolent activity by these beings,
whatever they are, and that youknow, we're thinking because they're advanced,
they're kind that's not the case.In addition, this is follows up with
the people have been killed to protectthe secrets. His quote there's a number
(33:47):
of quotes here, but the onethat really, you know, sums it
up. Yeah, I've heard ofsome really Unamerican things I don't want to
repeat right now, talking about hidingthese things and whatnot. So you know,
there's a negative side to all ofthis. But some of the other
things that he is talking about thatare interesting. His first case that he
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was talked that he was briefed onwas a UFO UIV downed in Italy and
nineteen thirty three, so that longago, and that the Mussolini government,
the fascist government of Italy had controlof this, and that the US worked
with the Vatican and Pope Pious thetwelfth back channeled the existence of the object
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so that the US could get itin nineteen forty four or forty five,
about the time we were overcoming theproblems with the nuclear bomb. Interesting,
I'm adding that last part. Yeah, wait, are trying to say,
Oppenheimer had a little help from alientechnology. There was a lot of people
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on the project who's Beenheimer. Andanother thing is that these crafts, a
lot of them are very large,like a football football field kind of size.
Um the Yeah, so there's somepretty big craft and the US government
has turned them over to private contractorsso that they can study them. And
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now it's not just government, butit's also a big business. Of course.
Sorry as a long pause, butit's kind of I was like,
turning that kind of technology over toprivate contractor seems dangerous. Maybe it's more
dangerous just to me in the handsof the government too, I don't know.
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But turn over to big business andletting big business develop products. There's
a documentary millions of money off ofsaid technology. Yeah, I mean when
all could benefit right from said technology, not just one cup company that won
the contract. Right. Well,I mean this is where the documentary series
Transformers comes into play, because inthe first documentary it really was about the
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government control and what was it sectionnineteen or see and um, you know,
you know with that, folks,discussions turned into a Transformers discussion.
But then when you get to theheroism of you know, private citizens stepping
up and one um, fourth andwell you know you're a Transformers, Yes,
(36:35):
yes, and um in the fourthdocumentary where Mark Wahlberg steps up the
I think I found Transformer. Theinformation has been handed over to the brilliant
mind of CEO Stanley Tucci in orderto really make this into a civilian type
of thing and make billions and billions. And yes, yeah, so the
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documentary series covers all of this already. Yeah, you know what, Dave,
You're right. I am being sotongue in cheek right now, but
it sort of makes sense. Yeah, I mean where we tried to watch
The Rise of the Beasts last night, Oh god, we didn't get very
first and it wasn't very good,so we just put the first one in
him, which I like the fifthone last night or first night or something
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night, Well, I couldn't getthrough that. It was and as a
result of that one, I'm like, god, I'm out. I mean,
the first movie was excellent, secondmovie was excellent. Third and fourth
I can watch, but fifth andon yeah, they're just not that good.
But anyway, so these UAP sightingsexperts say might be a tributal tribute
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to board Holy attributable to balloons,drones, optical illusions, or even the
blinking lights of a commercial airliner inthe pin Gone has said they have seen
no evidence linking UAPs to alien activity, though they have not ruled out that
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explanation. But so basically, yeah, they're doing what they always do.
Of course it's not right aliens.But look, I believe in extraterrestrial life.
You know, when you look outin the sky, every star,
if every star is the Sun,then there's got to be another planet.
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And just maybe they advanced, uhyou know, or more advanced than we
are. Right, they can reachus, and they're exploring the galaxy.
Right, I think that's an absolutepossibility, and I do. I want
them to be kind, yeah,and help and teaching and make us make
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help, make us better, youknow, just just the way I got
see no movies to know we're here, just to consume our resources and destroy
sid move on. I have awhole diet tribe. I want to go
on, right, go, well, any last thoughts from you. I
have a final quote, and thisis from M. Ryan Graves. He
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says, I urge us to putaside stigma and address the security and the
safety issue. This topic represents.If uap are foreign drones, it is
urgent. It is an urgent nationalsecurity problem. If it's something else,
it is an issue for science.In either case, unidentified objects are a
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concern for flight safety. The Americanpeople deserve to know what is happening in
our skies. It is long overdue. Yeah, no, I totally agree
with that. Yeah, okay,go on your tangent, go for it.
So I have a lot of topics, and yeah, I've probably been
drinking too much that I won't rememberall of them, but a few things
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here. So Number one, I'vealways believed that there is extraterrestrial life.
Alien life really excites me. Ifyou haven't picked up on that in the
last however, many episodes were onnow. Yeah, but the I honestly
we talked about this in the Vegasthing. I don't believe that they actually
are reaching us necessarily. Maybe thatwas the under the Ocean one, one
of those two we've talked about aliensnow three episodes in a row. And
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but this gives me hope that thiscould be possible, that we actually could
have these kinds of things, LikeI think of alien life as a micro
battle on some other planet. Butthe fact that maybe we do have craft,
maybe we do with pilots, maybewe do have contact with other civilizations
through some mechanism. You know,this gives me hope for that. I
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do think that you know, ifthey're good, great, if we can
reverse enger their engineer their stuff evenbetter. You know, who knows what
technology we have now that we've gainedbecause of that? Well, when I
understand velcro and micwave ovens, right, men in black um, But the
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it doesn't actually seem like our technologyhas jumped any like we don't. If
you look at technology curves, it'sin the same pattern of what we've been
on. So it's not like whateverwe've gleaned from this is either being released
to jump us way ahead, orthat it's giving us that much of an
advantage, right, which would makesense if it's in a multidimensional type of
(41:30):
craft, civilization, whatever, andthat they're not actually going over light speed
and things like that. But evenjust the UM, if the the tic
TAC went eighty thousand feet in afew seconds descending, that would create a
huge fireball. And if it didn'tdo that, that would defy physics as
(41:51):
we know it, which is whatthe guys. Yeah, and then to
show up, you know, sixtymiles away in under a minute. Also,
we don't have technology for that,right, but what if we do.
But it's several thousand years from nowand all the TIC TAC, the
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UAVs, it's time travel, it'sus. It's us as human beings.
Right, So to show up amile oh and that amount of time,
well, the the UAP it cantime jump, right, that's why it's
not crossing the fireballs. That's whyit could be a mile away in a
split second. Right, And justsorry, I just threw that out there.
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That's a possibility. Yeah, theyou know, splitting time. You
know, we saw it with Tenantand nobody watched Tenant. I watched Tenant.
Okay, from what I heard,it's unwatchable. Oh it's it's very
very confusing. It it really messeswith your brain. But let's going another
way. Everybody saw a time copy, not housing to go back in time.
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Yeah, if you finished Tenant,you feel like you've accomplished something at
the end. Okay, it's worththe payoff. I mean, it's it's
not like it's, you know,the most exciting thing in the world.
It's not an m Night Shamalan revealor anything, but you it all makes
sense. The story ends, well, it's worth it. But that's a
(43:22):
different tangent. The coming back tothe alien biologics. The I go back
to what I was talking about withum, the Las Vegas craft, where
what if these were just probes beingshot out and maybe these are are the
the jailed aliens or the you know, the the scum of society or those
(43:45):
types of things or whatever. Wemay not be receiving the full pilot.
We may not. It's this maynot be an active craft. This could
be like, hey, you're sentencedto exile. You're on this media and
we're sending it and it happens tohit Earth. For second, you're saying
that Earth is alcatraz for some alienplanet and they're dropping aliens down here to
(44:09):
serve their their time, and that'swhy they're malicious, because they're they're the
bad ones, right, and we'rejust uh, what was that movie with
leota Um where he was sent toa prison colony and um, it's,
(44:29):
uh, there's a warden, butit's basically the prisoners are left to be
savages to each other. And Idon't look it up anyways. Um the
so yeah, UM, you know, with recovering alien biologics, that can
mean a lot of things. Itdoesn't mean that we're you know, we've
recovered a full pilot. Doesn't meanwe've encountered us intelligent civilization. It could
(44:52):
even mean just that we've recovered microbesfrom our rock like like Auve Loebe talks
about, so the um you know, it's not a um you know,
and I'll be all that we've recoveredbiologics, non human biologics. UM.
But I really really want this tobe true. And I think that at
(45:15):
this point the American public in thefifties would have freaked out at this kind
of stuff. In today's ay andage, I don't think it would surprise
us. And if if we declassifiedall of this and we just went with
it, I think the public canhandle it and that there's really no If
(45:39):
they're malevolent, then there's no reasonnot for us to become protected against that.
If they're nice, well then let'sstart that and see where, you
know, let's accelerate our civilization resultof that. Like, there's no reason
not to do this at this point. Yeah, there's been a lot of
(46:00):
theories that the government's been releasing certainthings because they're trying to get us used
to activated. Yeah, they're tryingto get us used to the fact.
That kind of makes sense to todrip on us, right, Right,
so when big reveals come, we'renot shocked. We won't we won't be
(46:20):
right, we read we've been readyfor this since we've been kids, right,
because we know aliens exist. Butyou know why, I think that
right now they could do a fullreal reveal of we have ships, we
have this. Oh by the way, they're people will be like, hey,
that's not real. No, notnot that Okay, I thought we're
going like we could release it's anactual video of people like nah, that
(46:45):
that's fake. People are apathetic andthey just don't care anymore. There's so
much going on in life. It'slike, oh, now we got aliens
to deal with too, or they'retoo busy being an influencer on ticket that
they just could care less. Butthere's gonna be a lot of people that
will say, now it's fake,it's AI. That's that video is not
(47:07):
real. That's not an actual videothat the government. There's gonna be that
too, because now we have technologythat can make. Uh stuff looks so
realistic, right, so it's gonnabe really hard to know, like is
that actual video of right? SoI don't know. And then it was
(47:28):
Abbie though they said AI would bewhere aliens tried to make first contacts.
So I'm like at this point,I don't even know, right, right,
Well, what if open AI,Microsoft, Google, Metah, that's
the companies that have the craft.Well, Mark Zuckerberg does look like an
alien? Oh yeah, yeah,not just looks like or what an alien
(47:52):
thinks humans look like. I'm prettysure if you pulled his skin back you
would find a lizard. Yeah,not advocated until back, but he really
does you know what? And sodoes Elon Musk a little yeah. Yeah,
And they're both rich power from mancontrolling companies. Aliens already been,
and they're going to fight time.Maybe they're warring extraterrestrial civilizations. That's hilarious.
(48:16):
Uh yeah, So Elon Musk andMark Zuckerberg for some reason, we're
having some war of words and ledto like, I'll fight you just picked
the time of place. Yeah,And now I'm like, all right,
I would watch this on a payper view. But also I assume maybe
(48:37):
Mark Zuckerberg is taking like jiu jitsu. Do what's Elon Musk doing? Like
maybe they're having like an honor battleand you've got you know, maybe they
just meant a video game back.You've got the Viper against the Mountain and
we'll see how it goes. Wherewould you put your money? Straight street
(48:58):
fight? Uh? Uh? Facebook? Mark versus Twitter? No x X
Elon? Where actually them not?They don't have proxies or anything. Nope.
Actually then no one actually pays ConnorMcGregor to come in. They're at
a bar. They all had theyeach had like a couple drinks, and
you know, they start mouthing offand now they're fighting Elon Musk. You
(49:22):
would give it because Mark Zuckerberg ismade of wax. He definitely doesn't the
human. I feel like he's probablytaking like he's doing some jiu jitsu and
he'll just tie up Elon Musk andchoke him out. You know, he
used to be super skinny, andI feel like he's got some muscle definition
now he doesn't look as tiny.Talking about don't look like his Oh no,
(49:45):
no, no, no, I'mtalking about but Elon has rage.
Oh yeah, all right, jeez, I'm still I'll pick Well, yeah,
both of them would be okay ifthey fail, right it choked each
other out. But no, seethat's actually as we were talking about it.
That's the worry is what if theyrevert to their true alien form and
(50:07):
use their full alien technology against eachother, thus causing a mass apocalypse on
the earth. Right, because they'redefinitely both from not we all, it
becomes idiocracy. We're sitting there like, oh, we've got Musk versus Zuckerberg,
good awesome, drinking beer, havinga good time, shouting out loud,
(50:27):
and they end up, you know, releasing their particle cannons, and
everyone's just ionized. We just madea great movie. Yeah, people would
totally watch them and even kind oflike, would you call that a tongue
in cheek? It'd be a littlesatirical. People would watch two social media
giants. We'd make up fake namesin our movement and and we'd have them
(50:51):
actually yucker and Muscos why are wenot pitching this to Netflix right now?
They were totally making it would beI know, oh crap a copyright,
Netflix, since you're trying to likeAI people to keep using them in your
movies, right, I'm gonna copyrightthat right now. But yeah, it
(51:13):
was kind of like that movie upin the Sky, don't look up,
don't look up, this guy,don't look up. I haven't seen it.
Yeah, we can make it verysatirical. And then proof it was
right there that they're they're both aliens, but people are watching the pay per
view so they don't really believe what'shappening around them. I don't know,
we got something there. If you'vebeen listening to the show long enough,
(51:36):
we've written fifty plus movies. Yeah, on the second half of this podcast.
Yeah, and we've made zero.Right, But if you're a Hollywood
producer, you'd like to make amovie once the strikes are over, give
us a call. We're non unionaffiliated at this point. Well, that's
right. I would like to getto the point where we're doing it and
(51:58):
we should become unaffiliated, but wehaven't made that yet, so therefore we're
open. And I wasn't trying tosegue into this, but if you're going
to be a gen Con, thebiggest four days of gaming in Indianapolis,
indian Yes, our movie, TheQuest for Karma is in the gen Con
(52:22):
Film Fest that will be showing onSaturday, so if you're there, check
it out. We're so like,I'm just over the moon that gen Con
selected our film. This was thefilm fest that I kind of like hopes
some dreams that our little nerdy Dand D esque movie would make it into.
(52:43):
And if you're not going to bea gen Con, you can watch
it online just you know, goto YouTube the Quest for Karma or just
look up Dark Babe. You'll findour movie. Check it out. And
there even aren't correct me if I'mwrong. They're streaming the They are doing
an online confest, so you canwatch from their website. Yep, all
the movies that made it into thefilm fest, right, and it could
(53:06):
be a great way to see alot of nerdy um films, yeah,
by indie filmmakers just like us.And not to go on on a rant,
but I've already done it once,so I'll do it on the second
one. We would be there rightnow, well maybe not right now,
in a couple of days, tobe there in person watching it and promoting
it. But the hotel block wasalready sold out by the time they announced
(53:32):
the nominees. That's my only complaint. Yeah, like, seriously, don't
do that if you reserve a blockfor the hotel for the movie for the
filmmakers. Yeah, but there yougo. Yeah, we're a film fest
filmmakers, all right. So Idid think that was interesting. I'm sure
there's still a lot to unpack.I'm sure the stuff we skimmed over,
(53:54):
But at the end of the day, I feel like it brings us one
step closer to like aliens are real. Yeah, I'm happy either way.
I want it to be good.But they're bad, then I know what
happens. We all every country,every humane bands together and we take them
down. Yeah. Yeah, ifyou want more information, the hearing is
(54:15):
on YouTube, so you can actuallywatch it. It's two and a half
hours, so you have that's thefull version. Yeah, there's a bridge
versions, but okay, you probablywant to watch the full version, yeah,
to get the full story. Youknow, see, after listening to
us talk about it, you mightwant to watch the full version because we
probably messed a few things up.Yeah all right. Hey, if you
want to send us your opinion aboutthe hearings, or about any alien movies
(54:38):
or whatever you think aliens are,just go to Parallel punchers dot com.
You'll find all the ways to contactus, follow us on socials, send
us your feedback, send us ayou know, review, do review whatever.
Watch our movie. We have anew movie coming out to about a
backyard strongman competition. M m.And then uh, I might as well
(55:01):
drop it here. Starting what nextmonth, we're gonna start working on a
documentary about a married couple that aregoing to the doctor Mario. Uh competition
competition in Columbus, Ohio. It'scalled well were You don't have a name
yet, we don't, Yeah,okay, okay, secret, secret,
(55:23):
all right is that it I don'thave any more fight left in me.
You're no Suckerberg. Oh no,no, I have fight left in me,
but not on the topics for discussion, all right, until next time.
Remember it's not weird. It's notworth checking out. Its affective and
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