Ep. 167 - The Real Conjuring House

The Conjuring House located at 1677 Round Top Rd, Burrillville, RI is one of the most active paranormal locations in the world, and since opening to the public in 2019, have had thousands of visitors who have witnessed the supernatural activity here. It was originally called the Old Arnold Estate and is now known as the Conjuring House because of the 2013 film, The Conjuring, which depicted the hauntings that the Perron family experienced while living there in the 1970s. Carolyn and Roger Perron, and their five daughters moved in to the home in December 1970 and the paranormal activity started immediately. It started small. A broom would be misplaced or a scraping sound would come from the kitchen when no one was in there.

The girls soon began to see spirits around the house, and they claimed that for the most part, they were harmless. The family experienced rampant poltergeist activity, would smell rotting flesh & even would experience their beds rising off of the floor. They would regularly have physical injuries & it was common to hear voices around the house. The Perron family continued to live in the house for 10 years and experience continual paranormal encounters because of their financial instability but eventually decided to sell the house in 1980.

The Conjuring House opened to the public in 2019 where visitors can tour the house, go on overnight investigations and can even experience camping or Ghamping, on the property.
Join us on episode 167 to hear more about this haunted location!


Sources: theconjuringhouse.com, travelchannel.com/shows/ghost-brothers/articles/spirits-conjuring-house-show-themselves-to-ghost-brothers, people.com/travel/we-tried-it-i-spent-a-terrifying-night-at-the-real-life-conjuring-house/, historyvshollywood.com/reelfaces/conjuring.php, allthatsinteresting.com/true-story-of-the-conjuring-perron-family-enfield-haunting

Episode Transcript

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Paranormal Punches is part of the PodbellyNetwork. Go to podbelly dot com for
more great podcast Hey y'all, thisis Frank the big Foot and you're listening
to the Paranormal Punctures. Hey,friends, Yeah, I know you are

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welcome to another episode of Paranormal Punchers. It's gonna be a hell of a
ride. On this episode, we'regonna talk about the real the real Conjuring
House, not the one from themovie. Well, we might talk about
this movie. I know some peopledon't like that, but we're gonna talk

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about the real Conjuring House in RhodeIsland and the second half stick around.
We have a podcast announcement. Youdon't want to miss it. Did you
notice that what I did with myhat here? You put it on backwards
like stallone and over the top.Is that how you get ready to podcast?

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Okay, fy I for everybody listening, Nash just came back got here
from a homebrew competition. Competition,so he sampled and voted manfully picked excellent
beer that won. I hope,So, I hope so I found a
beer that I'm not into barrel agedbeers at all of any kind whatsoever.

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And I came across one that isactually very yummy. The downside is that
is that it's a beer at elevenpoint something percent, eleven point five percent
at eleven The rest doesn't matter.The point doesn't matter. And uh yeah,
I'm feeling pretty good. So yeah, buckle up. So the Conjuring

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House, the real Conjuring House.But we didn't say who we were.
Who are we? I'm Mark,I'm nah, I'm David. Well one
thing nice, remember nice bringing outfi both of them. Listen, I
we're not. We're here waiting forthem to show up. I know,
but we had our own own homebrewcompetition. Oh we showed up. Oh

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yeah. The Conjuring House, Uh, this is up in what Harrisville,
Rhode Island. Our e. Thisthing dates back to seventeen thirty six.
Now, obviously, if you're familiarwith the movie, it's a wicked,
haunted place, a lot of badvibes. But we're gonna dig into the

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real house and see what we findout there. All right, So what
is now known as the Conjuring Housewas originally called the Old Arnold Estate.
And I found it was in Burrelville, Rhode Island. But I feel like
Burrelville. And where did you sayit was, Harry, Well, I

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have Harrisville, but you know what, I don't know Rhode On, but
well, I feel like they're liketownships, like rain. But anyway,
so would say Burville to Harrisville.Okay. And this is not a slight
against Rhode Island, but it's literallylike the size of Lancaster County. So

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there's a lot of one f Harrisonvilleand this is I don't any disrespect to
Rhode Island. It's an awesome,awesome state, but it's tiny. Yeah,
Okay, that's so the Conjuring Housethey have Okay, I hope,
Okay, moving on. Okay,So the Conjuring House it has its own

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website because they have people that gothere to tour and do like get different
investigations things like that. So Ithink their website said that their address was
Burrelville, which is why I putit in there. But anyway, it's
an authentic colonial home built in seventeenthirty six. It is called the Conjuring

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House now because of the twenty thirteenfilm The Conjuring which depicted the hauntings that
the parent family experienced while living therein the nineteen seventies and was investigated by
Eddin Lorraine Warren. In June nineteenseventy, Caroline parent discovered the house or
farm by accident, but on furtherspeculation, the family felt that they had

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been called to it. They purchasedit in December of nineteen seventy and the
parents and their five daughters has movedin and it doesn't look like the movie
FYI. Now, it's an oldclonial looking like like almost cabinesque farmhouse and
with a pretty decent sized property.But it is not the home he saw

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in the movie. It's very whatyou call that, like just old American.
Yeah. I was like, justit's yeah, according to ways,
it is Burrowville. Okay, nowmy bad from here. I'm wondering if
they changed the exterior of the housebecause if you noticed in some of the

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photos from nineteen seventy three, therewas like a white it was like either
whitewashed or painted or has some kindof a signing on there. But now
it's all wood on wood, it'sall raw wood. So I'm wondering what
happened, Like someone peeled it offto give it a more rustic, give
it that look that makes you go, there's something. There's something crazy because

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who puts wood? Who was rawwood on the out side of the house.
I mean they're crazy people, Imean crazy before. Ye I don't
need your opinion, they're crazy.Keep that it's nuts. So the parallel
activity us I actually that off.Oh she gave me. She gave me

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the death eyes for continuing that thoughtprocess. Now it's okay. Paranormal activities
started almost immediately, which should haveshouldn't have been a surprise, seeing as
how the owner who sold it tothem told them, and this is a
quote, leave the lights on atnight. It started small Carolyn would notice

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that the broom was either missing orit would be in a different location.
Wait, can we go back fora second broom? No, I've had
I know you with rooms yea.And yeah, but if the realtor says
leave the lights on it, ohno, it was the owner who the

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owner? Okay, either case,like, that's not like it's I mean,
even if you're not into the supernatural, haunted, any of that,
like just the okay, could itbe crime? Okay, well that's one
thing, but it's too vague ofa thing to say it's expensive, Like
think of the energy costs, right, you're yeah right, And Rhode Island.

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I don't know what the electricity billis, but it's got to be
a monumental based on the whole Wi. I love how you're like, yeah,
and Rhode Island, Wow, whoknows. I can't afford to live
there with those gods. And backto Alicia. So, yeah, the
broom would move like she would findit in different spots. H And she

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would hear something screeping against the kitchenkettle when no one was there, or
she would find piles of dirt onthe kitchen floor when she had just cleaned
it. That's got to be frustrating, Yeah, because you vacuum, you
clean up, you brush, youknow, you you you clean the floor.
Rumba is that what they're called?Dave you have one before then?

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So they actually have like a dustpan and and it's a little mechanical device
that broughably rum creating that. ButI do want to ask how did she
determined that the piles of dirt ona clean floor were unexplained versus you just

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normally blame kids for that. Guaranteedsomebody some kids did it, right?
Got you like all the other stuffthat doesn't make sense, but the floor
kids, I would agree with youon that one, but this is what
she said, So okay, I'mgoing with that. The girls soon began

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to see spirits around the house,and they claimed that for the most part,
they were harmless. Of course there'ssome that were. They seemed angry
in the beginning. Uh. Yeah, it didn't take long I think before
the girls started seeing this. Carolynapparently researched the property and discovered that it

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had been the home to eight generations, and supposedly many of them had died
under mysterious circumstances. You didn't putthe quotes in there, but sure,
yeah, I know. I now. Several of the children had drowned in
a nearby creek, one was murdered, and a few had hanged themselves in

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the attic. Apparently, this iswhat over eight generations. This is like
an entire generation just committed suicide,and right, and all got drowned and
right. It was across. Notsaying that this isn't weird, but it

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the way it comes across. Iknow. So the family they experienced rampant
potageist activity. They would smell rottingflesh and they aboul to even experience their
beds riving rising off the floor.They would regularly have physical injuries, and
it was common to hear voices aroundthe house. Roger, who was the

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father, he claims that he wouldenter the basement and feel, I'm sorry,
what are you doing. There's abug chasing you? Yes, okay,
I'm sorry. I just want toinform the listener. Yes, my
spirit, you're not you're not seeingme. Waving of the hands of the
Oh my god. Yeah sorry.I was afraid I was going to eat

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it. So anyway, okay,he would and this is a quote from
him, he would feel a cold, stinking presence behind him, as what
we all we all do from timetime. And even though they avoided the
basement, the heating equipment malfunction ona regular basis. Okay, so they

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would end up having to go downthere. So heating equipment back in those
days was shoddy at best. Right, So I didn't take a whole lot
of of whatever I'm trying to signcredence. Yeah, thank you, that's
the one into shoddy heating equipment.Because this was back in the seventeen hundreds,
nineteen seventies, pretty close. Ibecause in the seventeen hundreds, yes,

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heating equipment because your head like lightof fire. Yeah, you keep
feeding it, logs. I hopeit didn't burn house. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah, it was surewhatever. Yeah, is that it?
In the seventies, the hitting equipmentwas craped to begin with. Yeah.
Yeah, so that he had togo in the bay, spent a
couple of times. You know.So, I seriously don't know where that

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god is the cover. I don'tknow, I don't know. I don't
have it held. Over the tenyears that the family lived in this house,
the Warrens actually made multiple trips toinvestigate the basement the house. According
to their daughter Andrea, at onepoint, Lorraine conducted a seance to attempt

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to contact the spirits in the house. During the seance, Caroline Parin became
possessed, speaking in tongues and risingfrom the ground in her chair. This
is a quote from her I thoughtI was going to pass out. My
mother began to speak a language notof this world, in a voice not
her own. Her chair levitated,and she was thrown across the room.

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So in the film, there wasone spirit that was supposed to be the
worst of them and that was Bathsheba. It was assumed that Bathsheba felt that
she was the mistress of the houseand definitely took offense to Carolyn. They
felt that it was Bathsheba that wastormenting the family. Now, Bathsheba was

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actually a real person. She livedon a neighboring farm in the eighteen hundreds.
She didn't actually even live in thehouse, and she was suspected of
being a witch. There was aninfant that she was taking care of that
mysteriously died, and it was determinedthat a large sewing needle had been impaled

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at the base of the skull ofthis baby. So the townspeople they believed
that she had sacrificed the infant asan offering to the devil. Was that
that was her baby though? Right? Was? I think no, I'm
pretty sure she was like a nurseror yeah, something like that. And

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sewing needle in the back of theneck, So those sewing needles are like
four inches three long and then backof the next so that had to be
like that's as ye ship, right, Sorry, But I did find other
articles saying that though she went ontrial from her but she was not found
guilty, right, she cleared legally, unless she said that that she was

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a seamstress and used a lot ofsewing needles to kill babies with. Well,
if you can't acquit, because thatwould have connected the dots to be
able to say that she was responsible. Yeah, so that I'm a parent
family. They actually they believed thatit was Bathsheba only because they had mentioned
a weird incident that had happened toCarolyn to Ed and Lorraine Warren. I

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guess she had been lying on thesofa and all of a sudden felt piercing
pain and spasms in her calf.She noticed a bit of blood on her
calf, which looked like it couldbe from a large sewing needle. From
that point on, Lorraine referred tothe demonic presence in the house as bath
Sheba. So that's kind of whereit came around. I mean it's also

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I mean the name alone, Iassume it. It sounds demonic, had
to be heard just based on Icouldn't imagine having a child, like,
what do you want name at mark? Bath Sheba, bath Sheba, yeah,
yeah, Lucifer. Yeah, butthere's nothing wrong with those names,
right, Well, Beth Sheba,I you know, I don't know the
difference in time periods, like backwhen beth Sheba was a real person.

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Maybe that was a common name.I don't know. I haven't heard it
before, but it does. Maybethat's how it Maybe you get Bethany from
that over time. Yeah, youthink they're bath Sheba on the Bible.
Well that's where I was actually thinking. Yeah, but the I don't know,
I haven't I didn't research that.I should have. Dave has doesn't

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have notes in front of him.So right now, right now, was
bath she but the lady who appearedwho was in like a blackened outfit,
who showed up with like she showedup as a ghost as her head was
like twisted to the side and shehad jagged teeth, blackened clothes. Was
that Bathsheba or was that somebody else? Entirely I can't remember because Bathsheba was

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kind of like the boss when sheshowed up. Are you talking about the
movie? No, no, no, I'm talking about the history of the
house. So one thing I wantedto point out back to that she of
all the spears in the house,she was responsible for the all the poltergeist
activity. It was her that wasdoing a lot of the scratching and causing

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like most of the triumph, becausethere was some ghosts that weren't from what
I found is that that go ahead, Dave. Yeah, so much going
on, like yeah, yeah,he's popping over here. Yeah, don't
don't pope. So first, uh, you said mistress, But she thought
of herself as the matron of thehouse. And it's one of those like

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was one of the ancestors of thehouse having an affair with her. Okay,
she thought herself, Yeah, I'mmaking a theory. I'm making a
theory. But it was like Imistress of the house, matron of the
house is one's married, one's notright. And but the words that I
saw was that she thought herself thematron, not mistress of that why the

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mother, uh missus parent felt likea lot of was negatives towards her because
yes, well she was. Shewas the matriarch of yes ye. So
Bashiba was like hammering on her rightnow. Now, what I came across
was Bathsheba. When she showed up. There were others. We say,
shed enough that we're gonna start invokingsomething. We didn't say it three times

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in a row, right, right, just say Comma after everything is that
when she showed up, there wereother spirits and whatnot that we weren't quite
evil in the house, moving broomsand doing kind of just like having fun
whatever. When she showed up,all the other spirits kind of quieted.

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It was her presence that she waslike the boss of everybody. Yeah,
she was. She was the bossspirit. So maybe she thought of herself
like what you're saying, as ofthe mistress of the house, matron whatever,
the matron of the house. Yeahit is maybe she would not fight
the other mother, right, butall the kila, she thought she was

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the mother of the house. Allthe other smaller spirits like of the children
or whatnot, who were hanging themselves, doing craziness in the house whatever they
that they they didn't necessarily respect herauthority, but feared her authority that she
was she was the boss spirit inthat house, so they would kind of
quiet up for her to do herevil. And that's where a lot of

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the like the the because they weren'tjust moving brooms and moving stuff around,
they actually experienced physical harm, right, I believe so yeah, So I
don't know, I just saw mouthingand Ashley if you let me continue.
No, No, you know,I don't have a lot of the details,

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right, I don't have much ofthe deals either, other than she
she killed some kid with the songneedle. Well, I do have a
quote from Andrea Parin, and maybethis explains like just how they felt about
everything. Our family lived among thedead for a decade. The farm known

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to us as the Old Arnold Estate, was where we all came to understand
that we are not alone when thereis something beyond our mortal existence, though
none of us can tell you youprecisely what it is or will we go
after death. So I feel likethey're definitely saying what, whether it was,
what was happening, who it was, they were feeling something right,

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m ok, and they're not ready. Well I wasn't sure that was a
cue for me or no. Yeah, no that, but that would know
when I jump in with a quote, I'm trying to get it back on
track. I know, well whatI'm saying, I'm being good. I
have something to say, but Ihave a feeling you're gonna bring it up.
Yeah, and I'm gonna yeah,go on it. So no,

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I would just say, also,since you guys are getting ready to duke
it out here, I would saythat there's not only the spirits of the
kids and of the of the peoplewho who departed in that house, but
there was also something about there wasdead soldiers buried in the walls. What
did you guys hear about that theydo have We'll get to but they do
have one of their overnight camping tripstalking about like there their soldiers, the

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soldier buried in the walls. SoI'm thinking that bath Sheba was not only
just kind of holding back the spiritsthat of people who have actually you know,
the smaller kids who had died inthe in the house or have been
killed with a sewing needle or hangingin the attic or whatever kind of stuff
they were into. But there werealso dead soldiers, because this house dates

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back to the seventeen hundreds, andto find out that there were dead soldiers
in the wall, Okay, well, this house is jacked that from the
good guy. Six did the guyI'm pretty sure if I remember from my
notes, that the guy bought it. It was called the Arnold State.
But that was during the Revolutionary War, Okay, so I imagine a lot

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of ship went down the Arnold estatein the the old Arnold estate, Arnold
Arnold, like Benedict Arnold. Idon't know if it's connected to that Arnold
very different Arnold. Yeah, okay, get you the choppa, get to

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the choppa, but go back tobut get to the hole. This was
the only bit that I came acrosswhere it was like, there's up to
seven. It said there was sevendead soldiers buried in the walls. Wow,
okay, that is a whole likewhy would they be buried in the
walls. It sounds like you don'tknow. I don't know. It's like

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right from oh yeah, yes,I don't know. You don't just randomly
like right if there's buried in thebattlefield, right exactly, not in the
walls. And I was trying toget it back to your lists. I
apologize, but gave up burying inthe wall. Let that go right,

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right. So I don't know ifif if the did, if this was
true and there were dead soldiers baredin the wall, okay, well not
the logistics of it, which iswhere I like to live. Is the
logistics of the whole thing, ifthat were the case. Sixteen inch studs
right right, set of sixteen inchon center. You have to have the

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depth to be able to support deadpeople whatever. That's not just a two
by four kind of a situation.That's a six by six or maybe in
a six by eight whatever. Youknow, that's a whole other thing.
But if Bathshiba was able to obtainall of that included on, I feel
like we could have a whole carpentryshow. No, it's just looking at
the look on both of your faces. No, but I was like processing

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the video right like this stud demensionsneed to be of body. Yeah,
the sixteen inches is fine, notnecessarily from my frame, but you're for
your fragile frame mark, you wouldbe able to get sixteen inches bro BMF
did you ever win that trophy?No you didn't, Wow and way,

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But you have to have a depthassociated with it, you know, to
be able to you know. Sothere's a whole thing. But if Basheba
was able to hold back all theghosts from the kids and those even ones
that she killed with the sewing needle, the dead soldiers who died in the
line of their own duty, whatsaid she killed one? Okay, yeah,

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yeah, that's fine, yea,yeah, I got you. Okay,
he's added to the Yeah bathing inthe blood of nobody this podcast.
Yeah yeah, but she would beable to also put those spirits to the
to the back, on the backside, so that she was the only one
coming out. There would be moreassociated with spirits coming forward than just the

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kids. That there could be seventhe seven soldiers buried in the walls.
That would be a pain in thebutt to deal with, not for me,
but for Bashiba Bathsheba. That shecould do it. Who knows?
She was apparently a real whoa whoswear words today? Yeah, I know
it's all yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm on fire fire Okay. The

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parent family, they continued to livein the house for ten years and experience
continual paranormal encounters. They lived therefor that long because financially they weren't able
to move. That's what I wantedto hit on, Like how sucky would
it be? Like you're stuck ina house where people, not people,

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spirits are just attacking you constantly,and you're like, you need to go,
but we can't afford to, right, we can't afford it. Like
what would you do? Like Iwould set up a ten outside or something.
Okay, somebody's gonna have a stationwagon. This is the seventies.
Everyboy had station wagons in the seventies. You have a station but there's a
lot of kids, didn't They havea whole mess of kids. That's right.

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Yeah, you have to deal withit. Suck it up, right,
like even in today's where the rentrents through the roof housing practice through
the roof high You got a hunterhouse, you gotta deal with it,
or at the very least airbnb it. No, so then you can rent
it out the weekends like people comeand investigation. You can can just leave

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the house and set the whole thingablaze and call the insurance company and figure
it out. That is not accuratedisclaimer. Do not listen to say you
do what you gotta do. You'resaying anyway. Anyway. So eventually they
did decide to sell the house,and that was in nineteen eighty and they

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were going to move to nineteen eighty. They definitely didn't have to do disclose
ten years correct, I like whereyou had that mark I like we had.
They definitely didn't have to tell anybody, right, no sellers disclosures about
dost or anything like that. Anyanything in the walls was was before Reagan
on Mex kicked in, So therates were still kind of low, so

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you could get out of that house. You could book you on no,
no, no, late seventies therates were super high. Not until mid
eighties were they blonkers. No underCarter, the whole seventeen eighteen percent interest
rates was eight yeah. Yeah,it was pretty high. It was crazy.
It was crazy so being in thatthey got out from underneath this house,

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and Stubody actually wanted to buy thishouse. That's nuts. That is
a whole nother well, apparently gettingout from underneath the house wasn't the problem.
It was getting out from the walls. Nice. I like your head
that day. I liked that.But keep in mind, oh you got
more announced, Oh I do?Okay, I didn't even finish that sentence.

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You didn't no, no, no, she's right off in the middle
of oh I can I can talknow? Okay. I wouldn't even edit
this as it's like okay and threeyeah. So they decided to sell the
house in nineteen eighty and moved toGeorgia. Now Andrea Parrin is quoted in

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her book is saying, my motherinformed me that the sale of the farm
was pending. I was heartbroken bythe news. Despite the trials, it
was home and I loved it.Though we abandoned our place in the country,
it never left us. That's abunch of crap. So, I
mean, well, but they saidmost of the spirits weren't right negative,

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I mean right except for Bathsheba.The other spirits weren't really negative. They
were kind of just kind of theretoo. They created a little mischief,
a little having their fun, butnothing really bad until Bashiba shored up.
Well the quote I read they livedthere for a decade. Come on,
after ten years, you're gonna getreally sick of that. Even the good

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it's going to be so Franks,after a while, it's gonna it's gotta
great on you. But if they'renot, if they're if they're not evil
spirits, if you live in HaunterHouse for ten years and an occasionally,
it is actually grating on you,right, But if you found the broom
on the other side of the room, we're a little dirt in the in
the kitchen after you cleaned up,you just you're like, oh, you
crazy. Know some people talk about, like you know, their keys going

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missing. They put it here everynight and right right like that after ten
years of that. But that's anadult thing. Like back in the seventies
there was nothing to do. Thekids were always outside. There was the
seventies. Bro, there's a lotof draws to do. But the I
just think of it, Hey,in my brain, I don't think the

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kids are old enough to do all. Okay, parents, Yeah, no,
the parents, this would have beenmaddening. But the kids I could
see having a good time. Likeimagine now and you know, uh twenty
twenty twenties where it's like you're you'retrying to play video games and you look
over and the used to sitting therelike trying to you know, move in

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the broom or rocks the room puttingit in and you're like, hey,
dude, left, you should goleft? Yeah, would you just let
me playing the game. I'm inthe middle of something. Can you just
clean up? After what you say? It is it's maddening for the ghosts
to deal with young kids ignoring thembecause they're too busy tiktoking and playing video
games. So it's the ghost Yeahright? Oh was that did that add

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to what you were tell us aboutthe house? Dere sure? There are
stories of paranormal activity that date backto the eighteenth century, and it is
believed that the spirits of Native Americansbegan to haunt the homestead after the home
was built. What this is,according to their website, what didn't you
speak Native American? Lamb? Andthen this guy came in and bought up

(30:52):
a bunch of stuff built his house. I don't know. Maybe they're the
ones that just seriously, maybe not, but yeah, So on the Conjuring
House website there are there's a listof apparently ghosts that they have named,

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and I have two of them.Abigo Arnold. She had fourteen children in
twenty two years. You can believethat. No, no, I know,
no, but I would definitely hunteverybody forever. If I had fourteen
kids, it can be done.But mad She died at the age of

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ninety three. Not at for fourteenkids twenty two years. No, no,
no, no. Yeah. Shewill often warn guests to get out
of the basement if they're here,I understand, I got you. She
would often warn guests to where protectyou? That's what I not come in

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the basement anyway, stay upstairs,don't go in the basement, right yep.
If there's a malevolent spirit around,she'll say get out anyway. Matthew,
he never lived at the house,but he does visit the house.
He died in eighteen eighty eight attwenty seven. And this is a quote

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from them from the website. I'msorry. He's very fun and caring to
others and has joked that is weirdthat women wear pants and that music is
strange. Now he very much enjoysthe piano. When shown how smartphones work,
he called it witchcraft. He likesbeing at the house in part so

(32:44):
he can interact with guests. Thatsounds awesome. Wear pants yeah, yeah,
yeah, and the rest of ittoo. Smartphones are going there our
magic and and it really pants.They just shouldn't. Well, they didn't
wear pants at that time. Women. Yeah, but Nash says, I

(33:05):
totally agree with Matthew. Yeah.Well, I think that most people of
the fair Jenner who come in thehouse, just of the you shouldn't wear
pants shod entered the house without pants. Yeah, that sure dynamic. Okay,
So books have fallen off shelves bythemselves, and shadow figures have also

(33:30):
been seen in the upstairs bedroom.So uh, Andrew, she has a
book, but she quotes in therewell, because they were like, uh,
has anybody else experienced stuff in thishouse that you know moved in after
you or before you or whatever?She claims that, yes, uh,

(33:54):
some have left screaming and running fortheir lives. The man who moved in
moved in to begin the restoration onthe house when we sold it, left
screaming without his car, without histools, without his clothing. He's just
running down wait wait wait, waitwait wait wait car? Why would Okay,

(34:17):
when the story is us when hiswife caught him, the guy that
bought it after them, and hewas trying to restore the house or into
whatever this was in like the eightiesor nineties. This would have been in
the eighties. Okay, what washe doing without his clothes? I don't

(34:37):
know. And his tools you related. I'm just saying, you know,
sometimes a tool belt. Anyway,So he never went back to the house
like something was going on. Yeah, so I had nothing with a ghosts.
He got caught with his pants down, Yeah, exactly the house because
he was following me. Nobody comesin the house with pants rule. I

(35:00):
tell you what. If I wasin the Horne house, something scared me
so bad I would get in thecar and drive away. I wouldn't run
past my car and keep running.Why can't we get in the running car?
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, butwhy would you? Why would you
do that without your tools, whichcome on a belt or in a toolbox,
or clothes. The clothing part isreally right, tools I could give

(35:24):
you by because you left quickly.You're so freaked out you come back right
close. When how do you workas a contract most mostly new No,
I stripped down when I do.Uh, I prefer to do my framing
in the nude. I'm so sorry, Yes, lish, Yeah, it's
just yeah. Was this the owneror was this the contractor? It was

(35:49):
the contractor, right, So hehe's like, all right, he's still
gonna reason for the contractor to benude. He's still gonna like, hey,
I like to work him. Onderwhere I'm gonna give it, tempt
say, this is how I doit. So, this is why I'm
twenty percent lower than everybody other contractorthat you that you got is because I
do it in the nude. Anyway, we don't know. He never went
back to the house, and thepeople who owned the house, they never

(36:15):
moved in and so it sat vacantfor years after. He never got paid
to that contractor yeah, yeah,he never got paid to pick up a
stuff his tools and his clothes andwhatever else he was doing at the house
at that time without our tools soclose to into your I know, I
really am you want to get there? Yeah? So another uh, former

(36:40):
owner, Norma Sutcliffe and her husbandJerry, they've heard the door banging in
the front hall, have heard soundsof people talking in another room, or
the sounds of footsteps and then adoor opening in another room, and her
husband's chair would vibrate. I betit would, yes, yes, I

(37:02):
bet it would. Okay, anyway, okay, Well you've been one of
those heated massage chairs. Yeah,those are those vibrators. In the eighties,
I'm telling you, he did vibratingmassage chair. Those vibrating they had.
They used to have those workout machineswhere the belt was coming across your
your Oh you know they were usingthat kind of stuff back in the in

(37:27):
the forties and fifties. So havinga recliner that would vibrate, that's par
for the course, right. Yeah. In the seventies, every wordy like
it might just punch a hole rightthrough my kidney. Like their technology.
Technology back then wasn't as sophisticated asit is now. So two points.

(37:47):
The first one is just Dave sciencecorner, not even science corner. So
I looked it up up. Yes, Bethshiba was in the Bible and bethsha
Yeah, and I know why thisname sounds familiar, the story of King
David killing his rival Uriah and takinghis wife Bethsheba as his own. So

(38:16):
she was without sin, but yetshe was the one that was between husbands
and everything, which is kind ofan interesting metaphor for this where she finds
herself as saying, I'm the matronof this house in between husbands. She

(38:36):
was in a different household. Butshe did she kill her kid with the
sewing needle? No, they didn'thave sewing needles back then. Well I'm
sure they did. But how dothey put cloth together? I don't know,
glue a lot of horses in theright. Yeah, second second point

(39:00):
I want to bring up. Thatwas just the clarification. The second thing
is, and I know we disagreeon this. We disagreed on this way
back whatever episode it was that wetalked about Poulter guists. First, I
still believe that Poulter geists are amanifestation of the angst of a teenage female.

(39:21):
Okay, it's not caused by anexternal spirit. Bathsheba, whether she
is or is not haunting this place. The five teenage or five daughter kids
are the ones that are suspect forcausing the Poulter geist. Like that guy.
Five girls, they all had likea psychic power. Yeah, but

(39:46):
you know what, but it's unintentionalpsycho. I agree with you. And
Bathsheba was the one that kind ofshe was like boss level. She's the
one that was leading them on.Right. But but when those five spirits,
the five Poulter guys were doing theirthing, and it wasn't a terrible
thing, but they were doing something. I mean, I guess it depends

(40:07):
on moving, moving brooms, putting. I'm trying to relax and watch which
shows around in the seventies, Idon't know, Happy Days. Well,
if I'm trying to watch my showand then Shiba or a polter geist is
moving across the room, no,no, I would be really disturbing it.
I believe that the kids were movingstuff across the room trying to be
noticed and being with their psychic powerssomewhat playful, and Basheba came as the

(40:30):
boss and said no and like tampedthem down, and then they're not even
being taking up. I think Bashebawas like a boss entity level that was
like literally tamping down all the otherspirits. But if you believe in that,
then Dave, like you have adaughter, a teenager, would have

(40:52):
the ank starts stamping up, andyou got polter geist around your house.
Entirely possible. Is entirely possible.But the and the one difference is that
poultergeists again too, how I understandit. It's not an intentional thing.
It's not like they know they havepsycho intentionally like I'm going to throw this

(41:13):
thing across the room. It's thethe the the negative energy built up inside
just manifests. It may appens,and it's it's not something that they can
control. It's not something that theydo. Poultergeist activity is entirely and it
can happen to males too. It'snot all female, but it typically has

(41:36):
been described as a female thing.Female teenager, male teenager. So yeah,
and so so I see that isI agree with that one hundred percent.
Is that the that Bashiba went inand she hath Bathshi better get the
name right, She's gonna come homewith you. Did I said that?
Did I say wrong? Say itthree times? Did I say you know

(41:58):
you're like? So? I takethat is that she was like a like
a larger entity that had Wasn't shea Satanist or something like that? Didn't?
Yeah, that she had abilities,not necessarily above all the kids,
but that she she had a likean air of authority of that would be

(42:23):
able to keep down the other Poulterguys that weren't quite as strong as she
was. That she either because sheobviously had a child that was I was
killed with the sow needle. Shewas into whatever she was into. That
she had the ability to be ableto to keep the others at bay,

(42:44):
who were just they weren't really doingmuch in the way at harm, they
were just being kind of mischievous,That she had enough strength to be able
to say, I'm the boss,you you keep this at bay, and
this is what I'm gonna do.Okay, Yeah, that's the way I
took the whole situation. All right, So my brain's hurting after that,
there's so much more. I can'twait. Well, why don't we take

(43:07):
a break and we'll come back withmore and also the cool things they do
for you to go hang out atthis house. Oh and our podcast announcement.
We'll be right back, and we'reback Condrey House, the real Condrey
House. So I have some stuffi'd like to tell you guys about staying

(43:30):
there overnight. Mash had a bunchof stuff, he just said during the
break. Yes, and he's prettyexcited. So yeah, I'm well,
let him go first. I'm workedup about it more or less. So,
Uh, there was there was asituation where now Carolyn and Roger.
Now I had to clarify this becauseI definitely take in these facts, but

(43:52):
not quite at you. So Carolynhad walked into their dining room at one
point and walked into basically the familyof the Arnold Okay, who was there
with their whole family sitting in thedining room. The Arnold state was the

(44:13):
the original people there. You go, see now we're cooking. Now we're
cooking. They were having a familydinner. They're cooking. They're having a
family dinner in their dining room.Okay. And at that point, the
Arnold's basically looked up and saw Caroline, came in shocked that she was there.
That was her experience that they shewalked in on and surprise the entire

(44:37):
family in the middle of a meal. Did they disappear? No, they
were there eating dinner. It didn'tsay what happened if she yea, were
they ghosts or people have walked on? Okay, hey, how are you
doing? You walked in on themhaving dinner and they were prized to see

(45:00):
her walk in on them having dinner? Right Like if I walked in Dave's
house, Okay, well he washaving dinner, he didn't know what was
gonna be there, he'd be surprised, Okay, but I'd be alive.
Yeah, but who was ghosts?Okay? Why was better? Why was

(45:20):
ghost is having dinner a metaphor?No, no, no, it's not
a metaphor. Okay, so there'sa metaphor for why you're using air quotes
metaphor for what smoke a wheat walkingin? They weren't having sex specials?
Nope, anyway, Dave, butthis is the too much a family show,
Dave, So that maybe that onelittle bit of information was like,

(45:47):
you haven't answered the question. Yetwhat was the question? Are they ghosts
daily the people eat dinner or theperson that walk in on the dinner that
leads me to my theory? Hedidn't please tell me because I can't answer
the question, Because no, youhave to answer the question. Okay,
you pose theory. Theory answers thequestion. Maybe, Okay, I believe

(46:15):
that the ghosts in this situation whereCarolyn and Rogers wait, their ghosts went
back in time. Yes, thishouse is not is put in as a
portal to to this. This isthis goes to a larger Here we go,
baby, no go. This goesto a larger theory is that the

(46:37):
pudding skin between this reality and thenext isn't necessarily just a two way or
one way mirror. Okay, it'sjust it's not a doorway that you walk
through one to the other. Thatthe pudding skin is there, But there's
more. Have you all seen themovie Event Horizon? Oh? Yeah?

(47:00):
Back in the Lawrence Fishburn, Yeah, and uh I forget the other guy's
name, but yes, so betweenyes, Samil between Wait, how did
you? How did you know thatI've never seen the movie Between two points
of a Wormhole? And is anEinstein Rosenberg threshold horizon horizon. Yeah,

(47:25):
there's an in between space bridge whatever. Yes, the answer is yes,
is that this house represents the bridgebetween the two. Okay, so that
this house represents the bridge that theportals that the pudding skin is there for
for between their two realities. Yes, but this house represents the bridge between

(47:49):
the two. So that I'm thinking, this is my ID. I didn't
smoke any weed. I'm just tellingyou this was totally sober me thinking,
and maybe I should was that Carolynand Roger Okay, they were actually the
cause of this happening in the pastbecause the Arnold family, who was there

(48:13):
having dinner, saw this thing happen, which was a ghost something showed up
in their dining room table that theyall acknowledged. Do we have any were
the Arnold family who originally owned it, saw ghosts, confusedly, saw ghosts.
Hold on just to stay with mehere, no go. So the

(48:35):
ghost showed up, Carolyn showed upas a ghost in the house. In
the seventeen hundreds or whenever this happenedwith the Arnold family. The Arnold family
in that time frame of the seventeenhundreds thought there's only one way. They
must have been from the devil.Whatever. They're very religious in the seventeen
hundreds, it's here to the godof the devil. They became Satanists to

(48:58):
try to continue to pull other ghostsin to quantify their their whole seeing of
the original ghost of Carolin coming through. Okay, so you're you're you're writing
your own story. But have youyou want to make a movie? Have
you ever seen the documentary with AnthonyMackie and the guy from Fifty Shades of

(49:22):
Gray where they're ambulance drivers and theygo back in time ambulance Wait, No,
that's a great movie. Yeah,and very underrated, but they start
the start the process. Yeah,he's going sometimes he might appear in Louisiana
swamp right, yes, and asan accident. It causes that and have

(49:45):
impact in the future, like scribblingon a rock. That's exactly what.
Actually, that's a movie made byto my favorite directors, Aaron Benson and
forget the other guy. Shoot,okay in the movie resolution, but sure
that movie go look it up.Yeah, okay, okay, here we

(50:05):
go. So anyway, so that'swhat I'm thinking. That highly recommend so
that the for some reason somehow thatyes, there is a pudding skin at
this location. Somehow, some way, Caroline, who was sensitive to it,
came through scared the family while theywere at dinner. They reacted by

(50:27):
trying to quantify whatever make this thinghappen. In that process of quantifying it
becoming satanists killing people with needles andhanging in the attic whatever they actually like,
like Alisha Crowley, they cemented thislocation as a possible you know,
it's a hub, it's a placewhere souls cannot leave. They further than

(50:51):
perpetuated the problem that she was thatCaroline was responding to when she came in
and walked in on them. Later, it's a whole time loop thing.
Okay, let that just like whatthere was? No, No, you're
about to say, let that sinkin Like, no, I'm not.
I'm never let that sink in.There. Don't even know what you're saying.

(51:13):
There was a similar episode of StarTrek that's nice chronic. Yeah maybe
not like you know, a greatgreat film, but but pretty cool.
And Anthony McKey killed it. Andthere's directors Resolution, which I think is
a really interesting movie. Uh shoot, I'm forgetting their other movies check it

(51:34):
out Spring. I think it wasone of their movies. It's fun.
It's a lot of fun. I'mjust interesting take on time travel. Well,
that's what I'm singing that this possibleis is that one perpetuated the other.
But the second step to this happenedin the past, which led to

(51:55):
them conce you know, keeping theghosts in the house, which led to
the haunting, which led to Carolinefinding out about this, living with this
for a while, coming into thedining room and experiencing because this putting spin
to putting skin on this house.Yeah, it's thin. So she came

(52:15):
into the dining room and experienced thefamily that she walked in on having dinner.
But to the families having dinner's perspective, this was the first time that
that happened because she was apparently opento it. She they they saw this
happen, and that was their reaction. So one led to the other,
which led to the other having todeal with timey wymy bullshita, excuse me

(52:39):
that there it's actually a never endingcycle of what's happening in this house.
That's my theory, all right,there's a theory I know that through that
entire theory list. She was holdingher head like it was going to explode.
Uh, Dave, I almost needanother break, take another break to

(53:00):
let that process. I'll tell youwhat I'm gonna do. I'm gonna get
up, get into the beer.Well that's where I'm at. Do you
want one? Yeah? Just keepit going. Yeah, I get used
for seven more. No, No, we gotta keep talking. Right.
So, Yeah, like I saidit, your theory is really kind of
out there, right, but iskind of it could be possible. It

(53:22):
could be because based on the documentarySin synchronic because the the because the we've
always considered that the pudding skin isa one way vessel, maybe sometimes a
two way vessel for for spirits tocome to good. That actually is one
of those interesting topics that I feelwould be an interesting just diatribe. Right

(53:46):
of you're talking about not having oneway or two way deer doors, but
multiple way doors. But the wayback it's not linked to time and it's
not like link to time space thatwhen you go back you can't really choose
where you end up, but youend up possibly in another time. It's

(54:07):
just that the house kind of heldit in there because of the energy the
negative energy. Speaking of one way, yeah, I'm gonna get us on
a one way track back to theI'm telling you to the conjury house.
Now, they have a pretty goodwebsite. They got a lot of photos,
a lot of videos, so youcan check out what the real house
looks like. But I thought thiswas interesting and something we should consider since

(54:32):
Rhode Island's not that far. Butnow they have started camping on the property.
They're calling it gamp. No,no, no, let me explain.
There's there's several different sites and someof them you might love. I'm
kidding. So they called gamping.I need do I need to have the

(54:53):
leather, the leather head gear withthe mouthpiece and everything. So they spin
it on the website. Are youbrave enough to embrace the darkness? So
they have their new overnight investigation.It's ghost plus camping equals gamping. I
like glamping, so was that whatthey did? They can stamp they consider

(55:17):
at the ultimate paranormal outdoor adventure.Now they have eight sites, eight sites
with tents or whatever. But theyhave here's a couple of sites I highlighted
because I think they would be goodfor us. So one spot is called
the extraterrestrial portal. Okay, I'minto that. Ye, so mediums saying

(55:38):
whoa, maybe we're not camping withNash just one way only. I'm just
saying, so mediums, card readers, and other spirits of the house have
told uh, this is right fromthe website Extraterrestrial Visits, that their portal
was located somewhere in the lower field. And there's been a UFO video captured

(56:05):
in twenty twenty one, and they'recalling this a freight factor of one out
of ten six if you stay atthese camp this camp site, it's a
freight factor a six out of ten. Then and now you have a couple
of tents to pick from the abductionchamber ten Oh sure, sign me up,
you know whatever, and only sleepsthree, gonna cost three three hundred

(56:28):
bones a night. Yeah, that'sa funny way to say that they have
a light dancer. Ten. Whywhy why would a light dance three hundred
bones a night? Well, lightsdancing in the sky. Okay, okay,
okay, okay, I'm just goingback to like, why are you
is it funny that I used theword three hundred bones abduction tent? There's

(56:50):
no cows there's no cows around,so you know what I'm saying. The
Light Dancer tent sleeps three for threehundred bones. But they have the Galactic
Gaye ten it that sleeps four forfour hundreds, so it's basically one hundred
bucks a night. So that's onelocation you could sleep in one of their
tents. They also have the playhouse. Dave is gonna love this one.

(57:16):
So they they described as off thewalking path said, among the ghosts of
children, SIT's a nineteen sixty eightvintage Avion trailer. Listen to the past.
Uh, don't. No, Idon't want to listen to any good
Listen to the past the pond peepersto hear what Listen past the pond peepers

(57:38):
to hear the local children long deadat plays. No one needs to hear
children ever and in any way right, No, if you're sleeping in a
ten you hear ghost children laughing andplaying, that's that's disturbing. And if
you're close to the other one gettingthree hundred. It sleeps three to four

(57:59):
for four hundred dollars a night,So we could do that. No,
and Nash Wall protect you. Idon't think he will, but I will
record you, right. And thenanother side I thought Dave would probably hate
too. It's called the pet cemetery. So behind a stone wall and under

(58:20):
a tree, lize the remains ofbeloved pets, long dead, long buried,
catch the eyes a fantom, aphantom horse, and invite the visitation
of one of your ghost cats.No, I would do that. I
actually would be okay with that.That's just it now, it does the
pet cemetery. Tant sleeps four foragain, four hundred bones. I would

(58:44):
do it. I would do thepet cemetery because if they jumped in my
lap and want to be pet,I would do that. Over the dead
children, well yeah, and ifthey get crazy, I can handle it.
But I would definitely be all aboutthe alien abduction. I mean I
stopped with all of them bones.I bet you would like if they had
a spotting, a sighting in twentytwenty one, like I would be up

(59:06):
all night just like look at thesky. Well, I mean, if
if I was guaranteed actually being due. But I don't think I get abducted.
You just feel like you're unlucky,right, Yeah, aliens would say
I don't want you, yeah,because you're a Ginger. Yeah, yeah,
he be like he has no soul. He got him behind. He's

(59:30):
the only point five percent of thepopulation. We don't need to study him.
But he can go. He cando overnights in the main house.
I mean, if you're into that, it looks like a place it would
be really cool to check out.Listen any other details on the US done
with us. But I will saythe Contrary movie came out in twenty thirteen,

(59:53):
and it was actually a really goodheart movie. A lot of good
jump scares or cat scares day youhate those, right, Never watched it,
solid movie. Uh. Conjuring two, it's really good. Conjure three
I didn't care for. Did thathave the guy from Aquaman? Which one
I don't Jason Mama, No,No, the other guy, the bad
guy from Aquaman one? Oh yeahPatrick Patrick Wilson, Yeah he was Okay,

(01:00:20):
okay, never I've never seen it, so I don't know. But
when I really dig about that,because you don't often get this, like
you get this with Marvel movies wherethey have a cinematic universe, but the
Conjuring did create the Conjuring universe,so you got the Conjuring movies. Converse
and Abell the Nun, whether youlike him or hate him, like the

(01:00:40):
pretty super cool, Yeah the Nunand None the Nune two is coming out.
It's pretty super cool that a horrorfranchise. I just saw a movie
and they have like almost just likethe Marvel Universe. I found a movie
on to be called Nude Nuns withGuns, and I gotta tell you,
I was interested to watch it.I don't think that's a horror movie,

(01:01:00):
right, I don't know. Ihaven't watched it yet, but I'm excited.
Yeah, that's sure. Was ontwo. Yeah, not porn Hub.
No, no, no, allright, We'll go check out the
Contry House. That's our take onit. Actually, I have one final
thing I want to throw out herebecause it's it's very interesting. So the

(01:01:21):
so back in the movie, TheConturing came out in twenty thirteen. So
in two thousand and fifteen, theowners of that particular house at the time
they're they made a statement they're playingon suing Warner Brothers because their home became
overrun by fans wanting to see thereal house. There was people just trespassing

(01:01:47):
and all over the place, andthese people couldn't take it and for some
reason, they thought they could justsue Warner Brothers. The statement from one
of the owners, the internet wasbombarded by people who were actually going around
the property filming. We had harassingphone calls in the middle of the night,
she says. They had discussions ofpeople. They even had discussions of

(01:02:09):
people destroying the house because it's sofull of evil. So after that movie
came out, the people that livedthere, they couldn't take it any longer.
But the owner, Sutcliff last name, she says, she insists the
house isn't haunted, and she doesn'tbelieve it goes now. It just sold

(01:02:32):
what in twenty twenty two one pointsomething millions. I saw the first one
for one point two million, andthen I saw it again for one point
five million. That's a heck ofa price tag first time crum crummy little
uh yeah, but it's got likemany acres. I think it's not like
a half acre or whatever, Likeit's like a ten acre property. Gotcha,

(01:02:58):
So I have the Sutcliffe said thatthey heard voices and they heard doors
banging and stuff. So I don'tknow who to believe anymore, you know,
sometimes that's the problem. But shewas throwing out a lawsuit, so
maybe she was. I don't know. I can't say anything. I don't
want Sucliffe to come back. I'mnot weighing in. This was from an

(01:03:21):
article and it says specifically, well, Suckcliffe insist the house isn't hot and
she doesn't believe in guests. Solet me ask you just on that topic,
like she's getting threatening phone calls andthat people want to burn the house
down. If if this was somethingthat you were like a d like I

(01:03:42):
am so into this right now,like this is the absolute end all being
of my being. I need toknow what went on in this house.
You're going to investigate it. You'reprobably going to trespass on the property to
identify it. Would you want todestroy this house or would you want to
continue investigating it? Like? Whywhy the people wanting to destroy it?

(01:04:04):
And end? Well? I don'tI think there was phone calls from nut
jobs, right, any just propertydestruction was coming from people just tramping around
her house filming, right, becauseyou got you got content creators and they're
just coming around trying to like avideo like we're at the real conjuring house.
Oh wait, is that us shotthat would be frustrating his hat.

(01:04:27):
Yeah, I always like get it. Get in the morning, get you
a cup of coffee, stretched tolook out, said like there's people filming
your house. So I get withtheir frustration. All right. Uh,
we done moving on unless you looklike you're ready for us to move on,
I'm done, all right. Sowe talked about a podcast now announcement.
Are you guys, do you guyswant to still want to do this?
Yeah? I still want to dothis. Yeah, I still want

(01:04:50):
to do this. Yeah. Uh, we're gonna announce the retirement of Parallel
Punchers. Yeah. Yeah, Anddon't take that as a negative, right,
Like we've started this in twenty seventeen, we've been at it for a
while. We you know, accordingto all the stats, when the top

(01:05:10):
five percent a podcast period. Butwe're ready as individuals and as a team,
I don't know, to talk aboutother stuff, to shift our focus,
maybe to spending more time with afamily, or really to take on
another subject. Yeah, it doesn'tmean we won't, like all right,
so we're gonna start a new show. So yeah, this Parmal Punches will

(01:05:36):
still always be up. It'll beout there for history for people listen.
To, but we will to moveon because for me, I'm working on
a documentary right now. Maybe i'dwant to talk about that documentary. I'm
working with Dave on that documentary.Maybe he'd want to talk about that.
Absolutely, you know, Dave coachesSawpap, Maybe he'd want to talk about

(01:05:58):
that. Nash, well, wenever know what Nash wants to talk about,
but he just wants second places strongman competition. So clearly he has
other things he's doing that are extremelyinteresting, and I think everybody would want
to hear about that. And ofcourse, Lish, my wife, you
got a lot of things in yourlife too, like that you would could

(01:06:19):
talk about even like we could getyou know, you have MSS. Maybe
maybe you know something you want tobring up and let people be like how
it's going. We just have otherstuff in our life that that is time
to actually put back maybe maybe notnecessarily on the show, but put back
on our families, on ourselves andsay, you know, kind of kind

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of re evaluate where we're heading andopen up a little time in our lives.
Yeah, and it doesn't mean wewon't talk about the paranormal right right,
but it's always in our hearts.I'm also at that point the reason
I write off all of the thingsthinking about camping, and I'm at the
point like we're always talking about somebodyelse's experiences. Yeah, yeah, like
we should probably just go right andcheck these places out and do our own

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thing. But also again, Iyou know, uh, we had to
put our how do they say,we had to help our dog across the
rainbow bridge right a few weeks ago. Maybe I'd want to spend a podcast,
you know, ten minutes on thepodcast episode talking about that. I
feel like I just want to bereal with my My friends have good conversations

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and they can range from something spookyor killer movie that I just watched or
sad I don't know. And ifI've taken anything from the podcast, it's
that the listeners really love our interactions. Yeah, so it's you know,
it's not so much about the paranormal. It's about us having the conversations we
do and except for Mark and annoyingeach other the way we do. And

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yeah, you know that that pantherand that camaraderie is the key to that.
We're just opening up to more topicsthan just the paranormal. Correct,
correct, And we have the wholelistener base at this point to where it's
like, yes, the paranormal isall it's in your hearts and what you
see, but it's a small percentageof your lives, you know, and

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it's about more about opening up tothe rest of our lives that's out there.
You know. We all have familylives, We all things that are
going on in our lives and otherthings that we enjoy. So other than
the paranormal, the paranormal will alwaysbe out there, and we're always open
to talk about it, and youknow, we love talking about it.
And of course I'm always right andnobody else's on my page, which is

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common. I get that. Butthere's so much more out there than just
this one subject. So we're gonnahave one final episode. It's going to
be a trivia extravaganza for Halloween,and we'll have the official links and everything
for the new show. We wereworkshopping the uh what do you call it,

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the oh, the Weekend punch Ball. Yeah, because the Weekend punch
is taken and it's a political showand we don't want that, and we
got to have the word punch inthere. I gotta keep that going.
But imagine just like you know,getting together with your friends is the weekend,
long day, long week of workand you want to hang out and
shoot the ship. Well that's whatwe're gonna do. I could tell Nash

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like, here's what happened to thisweek, or he could tell me something
great or something negative. But wealso talk about something weird in the paranormal
universe. If something comes up,we're shot me an article about a bear
that broke into a dude's house drinkhis white ball. Yeah it was white
three legged bears. We want totalk about a three legged bear broke into

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a guy's house and drank his freakingwhite claws. This wasn't cocaine bear Florida,
Florida. Okay, HUDs. We'renot stopping pock asking, but we
just we want to move into aplace where we could I don't be a
little bit talk about whatever we ourselvesand other stuff, other stuff that's going

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on in our lives, including theparanormal, but maybe which we should We
should actually start doing and going andvisit these places and not just talking about
them. So yeah, So foreverybody who's support us on Patreon, you're
the best. Thank you so much. You really help get the show.
Keep in mind, we started thisin two thousand and seventeen, so your

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love and your support is amazing.We're not done. So if you love
that is kind of like hanging outwith your friends talking about stuff. It's
the same thing. We're still here. Still, we're still doing the same
thing, just opening up the floorto more topics and more situations that we'll
talk Abeah. Maybe we'll talk abouta cool movie. Yeah, and maybe
we'll talk about I don't know,definitely gonna have political topic, don't worry.

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Well, but we could talk aboutpodcasts that you can get that fix
from. Nope, we just wantto religion. Yeah, we just want
to open up to other facets ofour lives, things like a three legged
bear drinking drinking white clause versus cocaineBear. I want to talk about that
so much. I'm just saying thatthere's a whole thing. We're there.
You don't even cocaine bear. Themovie version or the real version that wasn't

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a documentary. Document that wasn't documentary. Thank you. I couldn't finish the
word that wasn't a documentary. Holdon, wait, wait wait, I
need to rewatch it again. Nobodyknows what happened in between the cocaine falling
and the bear dying. Yeah,okay, see see here we go,
here we go. Already a newsubject right there, three legged white claw,

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cocaine bear. No, he didn'tdo a cocaine he didn't. But
at the end of the cocaine bear, I assume the guy came home after
a long days of work and foundout a bear drank all his white Claus
and then his friends like you drinkwhite Claus well, and we're sooodfalls are
awesome. So we're gonna have theHalloween Special trivia and then we'll have all

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the announcements and links to the newshow. But we're work shopping the title
the Weekend punch Ball because again,fill the punch bowl with whatever, take
a drink, man, hang withyour friends. So it's not ending,
We're just evolving, so how youput it? Like men? So we

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from a caterpillar to Mathra, Yes, easy, Zilla's shared, Come on
easy. Then I would love toriff on some Godzilla stuff too. That's
why I feel like, yeah,yeah, from from really anything that comes
up from from from movies to what'shappening in your life? Something crazy.
Even if it is something paranormal cool, we'll talk about it. It's just

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that we're kind of widening the scopeof what we're looking at, Yeah,
to encompass everything, and for everybodythat's been with us all this year.
Hey, if you want to sendsome listener feedback back in, we'll absolutely
read it on the last and finalshow. Again, we're just retiring.
We're not quitting. Yep, it'sretiring. The show is going to be

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there in perpetuity. Davis, yougot it. Oh wow, it'll be
there. It's the first time yougot a pronunciation. Lets you'd be quiet
if it wasn't sweedi, it shouldbe something different. Yeah, bad so
sweet? Uh that anything else onthat announcement, that's a big announcement.
That's actually big announcement. And Ithink, you know, with next episode

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with the trivia doing you know alittle bit of retrospective of you know,
the things that we've gathered with theexperiences through this podcast and hearing the listener
of feedback, it would be agood thing. Like, you know,
the trivia is always awesome, butin that that closure, hell, yeah
right, you guys. You guyshave been great during this whole thing.

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You've shared with us so many experiences. You've opened up up to us.
Some of the things that you've hadpersonally that that we wouldn't nobody would know
about, but experience that you've had, and we thank you for that,
you know. And it's just it'sjust we wouldn't be here without you guys,
without your openness and you're you're wantingto listen and join us on this

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whole adventure that we've been on.We wouldn't be here if it weren't for
you, guys. So I wantto say, you know, thank you
for that. And you know we'rewe're looking for always looking for more,
you know, but we're just kindof widening our horizons and uh, you
know, saying, Okay, thisis what happened in one facet of your
life. If you have anything elsethat you want to get off your off
your chest, anything special in yourin your lives that you want to really

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shout out or whatever, let usknow. We're happy to talk about it.
We're not going away. We're justkind of widening the scope of what
we're talking. I like how youexplaining that, widening the scope. But
also like we on the Patreon,we did a ghosts and gasterpubs, like
I actually want to not talk aboutplaces, but go to I want to
go do this for Yeah. Soit's just an evolution of us the show,

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and I mean, it's been solong. One of the questions I've
always had with ghosts and gastro pubs, does gastropub mean that I can fart
at the restaurant? Nope? No, come on, I've been in restaurants
with you, so I know youalready do that. I'm just saying that's
why I always thought there were gastropubs, because I was letting them rip
after restaurant. There you go,ladies and gentlemen. Uh, send us

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your if you have something to sayabout the change in the show. Oh,
it's gonna be a brand new feed. We are not touching the parallel
Puncher's feed. We're not gonna justall of a sudden you get new stuff.
It dropped. It'll be a newfeed, but we'll still probably be
weird. So again, if it'snot weird, don't worry. We're always
gonna be weird, so we're alwaysworth checking out. Yeah, Oh my

(01:15:50):
gosh, if it's not weird,it's not worth checking out. So that

(01:16:13):
you think so pers