January 9, 2024 • 41 mins
On August 2, 1993, Lyudmila Korvina, who was an experienced hiking instructor, led 6 of her students on a hiking trip to the Khamar Daban mountain range in southern Siberia. The first 2 days of the hike, the group did really well, beating the time anticipated to get up the Retranslyator peak. However, when they were beginning their descent on August 4th, they were hit with a rainstorm which slowed them down. The following morning, the group set off down the mountain but after only a few minutes the first disaster struck. Sacha, who was at the back of the group, began to scream. When the group turned around, they saw that he was bleeding from his eyes & his ears as well as frothing at the mouth. It didn’t take long before every single member but one succumbed to the same symptoms.
Valentina Utochenko, the only surviving member, ran for her life not fully understanding what was happening. For 4 days, she followed power lines down the mountain, until she found a river & began to follow that. In August 10th, she was found by a group of kayakers. An autopsy report concluded that they had all died of hypothermia except for Lyudmila who had suffered a heart attack. They all had signs of bruised lungs, & protein deficiency due to malnutrition was listed as a contributing factor to their deaths. The deaths were ultimately ruled to be accidental.
What happened on that Khamar Daban hiking trip? Join us on episode 169 to hear more!
Sources: medium.com/the-mystery-box/the-most-credible-theories-regarding-the-khamar-daban-incident-ae84d8a60be2, morbidkuriosity.com/the-khamar-daban-incident/, paranormalcatalog.net/unexplained-phenomena/the-khamar-daban-incident-another-dyatlov-pass, paranormal-strange.fandom.com/wiki/Lake_Baikal_Swimmers,reddit.com/r/Weird/comments/12624px/in_1993_six_hikers_were_trekking_near_lake_baikal/
Valentina Utochenko, the only surviving member, ran for her life not fully understanding what was happening. For 4 days, she followed power lines down the mountain, until she found a river & began to follow that. In August 10th, she was found by a group of kayakers. An autopsy report concluded that they had all died of hypothermia except for Lyudmila who had suffered a heart attack. They all had signs of bruised lungs, & protein deficiency due to malnutrition was listed as a contributing factor to their deaths. The deaths were ultimately ruled to be accidental.
What happened on that Khamar Daban hiking trip? Join us on episode 169 to hear more!
Sources: medium.com/the-mystery-box/the-most-credible-theories-regarding-the-khamar-daban-incident-ae84d8a60be2, morbidkuriosity.com/the-khamar-daban-incident/, paranormalcatalog.net/unexplained-phenomena/the-khamar-daban-incident-another-dyatlov-pass, paranormal-strange.fandom.com/wiki/Lake_Baikal_Swimmers,reddit.com/r/Weird/comments/12624px/in_1993_six_hikers_were_trekking_near_lake_baikal/
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Hey, y'all, this is Frankthe Bigfoot and you're listening to the Paranormal
Puncher. Hey, friends, welcometo another episode of Paranormal Punchers. I'm
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Mark, I'm Militia, I'm Nash, I'm Dave. I almost forgot to
order. How we do this?It's been so long, but it's a
lot happy New Year. It's twentytwenty four. Well, not that they
don't need to know what we're recordingthis man, right, Okay, don't
break the fourth one. Sorry,I guess that it's been a little while
since we did this. Yeah,it has been because the last episode we
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We just felt like, you knowwhat, let's keep it going.
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it's going to be just the paranormaltopic. No d in D, no
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We're the owners. You get topull a seat up and listen to us
talk about whatever we feel like talkingabout. It could be so weird.
Yeah, yeah, so that's agreat, great form for whatever anybody wants
to talk about. Throw out anidea. It will definitely be weird.
I mean, don't we'll tell itshort of it won't be weird. But
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because if it's not, it's not, we're checking out exactly. Thank you,
good night. You picked up onit. Okay, still warm it
up, that's right, I gottaget warmed up. Dave was like,
should we tell everybody just how rustywe are as it took me five minutes
to set the board up. Ishould have had that done in five seconds.
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Yeah. Well I got the colorsright, Yeah, everybody has their
own special cable color. Yeah yeah, nashears is purple, thank you,
I'm green. If anybody cares,nobody cares. Oh, this is the
kind of stuff they don't want tohear. They want us to get into
the paranormal topic. Now we gottabe next episode because it's twenty twenty four
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we started the show in twenty seventeen. Imagine that so long ago. But
the first topic was the Diatlov Pass. Correct, So we're gonna kick off
twenty twenty four with a topic thatis very similar. Also, it took
place in Russia, in Siberia,and it was another mysterious situation where hikers
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went out and never came back.Here's a fun fact. I didn't really
put the two together that the dayoff the out pass was in Russia.
I'll get to that. I havestuff on that. Yeah, I thought
it was in like Montana or something. This is called Tamar Dobbin incident or
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something like that. We're doing great, Yea, we forgot how to comb
Dobbin Dobbin, David Kamar, DebanDebon. I think of it as Debon.
I have no idea how to pronouncethis also known as the Batia die
out Laft Pass. Ye and uh, if we're pronouncing things wrong, we're
sorry. We're doing our very best. But that's how you know it's still
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you know, it's authentic. Thisis not AI, it's really us,
all right. Uh, do youguys want me to start? Yeah?
Okay, now you were a littlerusty here it's more than we don't want
any of us to silently Like.On August second, nineteen ninety three,
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Ladmilla Corvina, who was an experiencedhiking instructor, led six of her students
on a hiking trip to the KamarDevon Mountain Range. She was very familiar
with the area and it was avery popular and safe place to hike.
Her students were Alexander Chryson, whowas twenty three, Tachiana who was twenty
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four, nineteen year old, DennisSpotchken Valentina who was seventeen, Victoria who
was sixteen and fifteen year old teamortimer to I don't know how to say
his name. I'm sorry, yougotta say it with an accent, so
maybe it's nearer. I don't knowthat's but no, hey, wait,
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wait to try all that. Likebasically, five teenagers went out pretty much
you know, sorry. Uh.The group arrived at the mountain range in
the town of Marino, and we'reexcited for their journey. The weather was
also forecasted to be clear and thatthey would have sunny skies. Their group
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was one of three hiking groups inthe area, one of which was actually
being led by Ludmilla's daughter Natalia.Their two groups had plans to meet up
on August fifth, when their hikingroutes would cross paths. And this was
summer, Yes, it wasn't likemiddle of winter, right, No,
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August Yeah you think mountain range oflike, right, I'm sure it was
like this wasn't nice, it wasthe beginning of fall. Was a picture
I found the one of the peoplein the picture. He was wearing a
short sleeve shirt T shirt. Sothis was they had gear for if weather
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turned bad, because yes, youare going up in altitude, but it
wasn't. So they were all nice. They were all dressed for nice weather.
Yeah. Yeah, this wasn't expectedto be yeah, now correct right.
The first two days of the hike, the group did really well.
They beat their time, like toget up to the peace estimated time.
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Yeah, hitt checkpoints. Yeah.However, when they were beginning their descent
on August fourth, they were hitwith a rainstorm, which slowed them down.
With everything soaked and they added weight. Everyone was exhausted, so Ludmilla
decided to camp out hastily in anexposed location, even though there was tree
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cover not too far away. Uhand they were not able to start a
fire. Yeah, it was raining. The next morning, they ate breakfast
together before heading out, right,so they were so they went to bed
probably wet and cold and yeah itstill sucks cold and wet. Uh,
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So they ate breakfast together before theyleft the morning. That morning, the
plan was to meet up with Nataliaand her group, but unfortunately that never
happened. The group set off downthe mountain, but after only a few
minutes, the first disaster struck Sasha, who was Alexander. Alexander, Uh,
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he was at the back. I'msorry, David on fire. He
was at the back of the group. He began to scream. When everyone
turned around to see what was happening, they saw that he was bleeding from
his eyes and his ears, aswell as frothing at the mouth as you
do. He fell to the groundconvulsive, all right, he fell to
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the ground, convulsing and then wentstill. Loud. Milla ran to him,
but told everyone else to just continueon. They did not get very
far before they heard lod Milla cryout, just sending the stage. I
didn't hear it. As just continueon. It was go get to the
tree line. Oh like get Okaand yeah, why were they safing the
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tree line? What were they?What was happening? Yeah right, because
she also succumbed to the same mysteriousYeah. So she cried out and as
they turned they decided to run backto her. They saw that the same
thing that had happened to Sasha washappening to her. Her eyes and nose
were pouring blood, and she wasfrothing at the mouth. She convulsed and
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then collapsed on top of Sasha.But I heard or I read that before
she did that, she started smashingher head that somebody else sorry the Russian
names I know, Tachiana, whohad gotten too Ladmilla first, was the
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next to collapse. She started grabbingat her throat as though she couldn't breathe,
and then slowly crawled over to anearby rock, where she bashed her
own head in head. Yeah,and she did that until she went limp.
Victoria and to Murr both ran whileDennis hid behind a rock. Valentina
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was unevil behind his rock. Notgoing to see me behind a rock now.
Valentine Valentino was unable to move fromfright, as she had just witnessed
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three of her friends seemingly die.Within minutes, both Victoria and Timur collapsed
while running and died in a similarmanner, throwing up blood and clawing at
their own throats. And then Ifound one thing. And I'm not sure
if this I only saw it inone place, but like they were tearing
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their clothes off as well. Yeah, okay. It's called paradoxo undressing.
Yeah, okay, which is linkedto hypothermia right off. Yeah yeah.
Realizing they were the only ones left, Valentina and Dennis ran to each other
and hurried away from the sight oftheir friend's death. It didn't take long
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before Dennis collapse, convulsing. Scaredfor her didn't help them at all.
Scared for her life, Valentina ran. She only had a tent and the
clothes on her back for supplies.She ran down the mountain until she was
certain she was far away from thetragedy that she had just witnessed. She
found tree cover, set up thetent for the night, and fell asleep.
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She wasn't sure if she was actuallygoing to wake up right as you
would feel that way. Can youimagine what that would be like? Having
just turned around on a nice hikeby a lake. You're up on the
hills and you turn around and yousee someone with their your eyes and ears
and all the spots on your faceare spouting blood right, or your friend
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bleeding from the eyes, smashing theirhead against a rock. Oh my gosh,
you would be in fool But whatdo you even do? How do
you how do you try to stopthat? Right? So, when she
woke up, she knew immediately thatshe would need some applies. She was
going to survive alone in the wilderness, so she had to go back.
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She went back. She treked backup the mountain. She got to the
site saw that no one had movedfrom the spots where they had, so
she quickly just took the supplies thatshe needed from their bodies and left.
For four days, she followed powerlines down the mountain until she found a
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river and began to follow that.She was hoping some would someone would come
across her and help her, andby the end of the fourth day that
wish came true. On August tenth, a group of kayakers noticed something in
the tree line as they were paddlingdown the river, a lone girl standing
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and looking at them. The kayakersgot out of their boats, and when
they approached her, some sources claimedshe was covered in dried blood. The
girl became hysterical, trying to tellthe Kayakers her story. Eventually, she
identified herself and said that she hadbeen hiking with six others. Horrified,
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the Kayakers took her to the nearestpolice station, where a report was filed.
Despite the report she filed to thepolice, no official search was conducted
until the twenty fourth of August,which is what fourteen days later, two
weeks later. Wait, they fifthbecause it happened on the tenth when she
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came down the hill. Yeah,they found her. The Kayakers found her
on the tenth okay, and ittook them two days to find the bodies
using helicopters. An autopsy report concludedthat they had all died of hypothermia,
except for Ladmilla, who suffered aheart attack. They all had signs of
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bruised lungs and protein deficiency due tomalnutrition. That was like a contributing factor
to their desk, which is odd. Yeah that I also heard that they
made the slow survivor. The governmentmade her sign an n d A.
Yeah, that she wouldn't talk aboutanything else except that statement, which right
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away, how you get how youget malnutrition? For me? Her for
five days? They just had breakfastthat morning. Yeah, and they didn't
have like chocolate milk and ho hosefor Pete's sake. I mean they probably
had what you at least a protein. Well, I mean it's what would
you what could you eat that wouldencourage malnutrition five days? That that's insane,
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that's right, that doesn't make sense. Now. One of the theories,
if we want to go that iseat talking about eating some One of
the theories is they ate some mushroomsthat might have been uh more on the
magic side. Maybe they had awicked bad trip, which I call that
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theory. I don't believe that theory. I don't. I wouldn't say the
wicked high trip. It would bemore of the said wicked bad trip,
wicked bad, but the more thepoisonous. I mean, the so they
got wrong linesman, I think arelike but the leader of the lea,
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the leader of that I was anexpert electromologists or forager. She would have
known plus nine. Yeah, right, So I don't know about that theory
necessarily. Now that's what I wentto that first. It was like something
they all had to do something atthe same time to get the same result
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at the same time. All fourof them or all five of them are
but they right, But that doesn'taccount for the one girl who survived.
Now, some some of the articlesI came across talking about if it was
mushrooms, she the a didn't havemuch for breakfast. And I would like
to say, like, if you'reputting cre eat mushrooms, see, I'd
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be okay, because I mushroom.I hate mushrooms. I love mushrooms.
Okay, Well, then you mightbe bashing your head against that rock.
I'd be okay, Well I'm bad. Uh, And they The theory is
maybe she either had to build upa tolerance for it or maybe hardly had
any of them Supposedly, if theyhad mushrooms, had eaten these mushrooms Princess
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Bride style Kane powder kind of thing. I'm there with. Another theory was
that they saw something that they shouldn'thave. They walked into some kind of
Russian military experiment. But this isa hiking place. I know. That
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was the problem was this is avery public and very popular look, right,
so you know, and if there'sif there's something that you shouldn't see
in nearby a known hiking area.I mean, that's not smart. True.
But another prevailing theory, Dave,I'll kick this to you is that
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it was nerve gas no novachok nonochok gas, which which Russia developed in
nineteen ninety three, the same yearthis went down. Yes, and here's
I don't want to say really cool, but here's the really cool thing of
that is the interesting part of it. The interesting part of it. These
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gases, the ex or noviachak willlinger for four five six months after testing.
So but aren't they soluble in water. No, they're transferred through water.
So the rain The one theory wasthe rainstorm kicked up what was left
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from testing from months before and actuallytransported it. And they are heavier than
air, so they're lower to theground. The thought is that Sasha was
walking and stepped in a high concentrationof it, which poofed it up.
He caught it when he started.Everybody went to go see what was happening.
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Ludamilla went to see what was happening, and the one report she gave
him CPR. And giving him CPR, she ingested some of the points to
mouth. Yep. When somebody wentover to look on her, she bit
the person, which transferred to shewent almost zombie on him. Yes,
and then wow, I didn't seeany of this. And then the other
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two it was still just you know, the guests. They were just biting
each other. Dennis's problem was thathe was too low to the ground.
He hid behind the rock at groundlevel. He wasn't high up. But
I forget her name now that survived. She never ducked down, so she
was standing the whole time. Shekept or distance from some what was going.
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She was distanced away and standing up, so that as the gas that
was released was transferring down the hill, Dennis caught it. She didn't.
And so let me pose this.I I came across this, so you
got this this nerve agent. Heavyrains it washed it down. But the
next day was really nice. Thesun came up. Some of the theories
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is it as the sun was warm, it started to evaporate up. Yes,
and they were starting to inhale it. And then another theory is they
might use some of the water tocorrect I'm kicking it to you. Well,
I mean I was mostly on thewhole the rainstorm kicked it up,
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and they so. But yeah,they could have easily. And again maybe
the loan survivor didn't eat much brakfast. You're right, she stayed back so
as so I could see the sunheating it up, and then as it
evaporates up into the air, peopleare like inhaling it, right, and
that is how it disperses. Soit's not water soluble, but sunlight does.
That's right out of Batman begins.They're putting that gas in the water.
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WHOA, Okay, but this isnot what happened though, But go
ahead. No, I'm just sayinglike that their whole premise was when it
evaporates. There's also the thought thatmaybe Valentina's story was inaccurate, so like
it was such a traumatic experience forher that she kind of missed from her
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bird aspects of what actually happened.Well, she was pretty screwed up over
the whole thing. Well, onething I just want to point out the
the autopsies didn't find anything that concludedwith what she said, And the question
is was she inaccurate or more orwere they forced by the government if they
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stumbled onto something and the soldiers tookcare of them, then the autopsy would
have been forged. But also ifit was a residual from the previous government
experiment, pretty sure the government youreally had to sign an NDA, which
I found that out just one videoon YouTube. I didn't dig deeper to
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see the accuracy. But if theyhad, if she had to, LEDs
to the idea that they're like,hey, shut up, sign this.
Shut your mouth right now. Well, you know what, before we finish
up more theories, why don't wetake a quick break and then we'll come
back and wrap this story up.And well I'll tell you the correct theory.
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Oh gosh, we'll be right backand we're back. Okay, more
theories and what happened to these hikers? So my last one happens to deal
with lake by call BaCl call.I don't know how to say it was
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by call by. Some of thespelled it different ways, a couple of
different Well, it's translating currialic intoMHM Latin. Well, okay, sorry,
set up, mispronounced, Please don'tjudge. Judge. This lake is
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actually blow get it, get anash okay, blow the mountain where they
were all at. They started atthe lake at the foot of the mountains
upwards from there. Okay, theystarted at lake level. Okay, for
some reason I thought it was onthe other side. Yeah, no,
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they they actually they started at thelake. They worked their way upwards,
and then they were going to meetup with her daughter and come back down
and end up at lake level again, but at a distance of many miles.
I couldn't find where the river wasthat the people of the Kayakers found
her. She went the wrong way? Is that what it is? So
I don't know how to describe thison a podcast. But they started,
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let's say, to the east,they worked their way south by southwest and
ended up to the west of wherethey started, and that's where they the
incident happened. They were supposed tocontinue going north, almost like a big
horseshoe. Correctly, they were supposedto go north to meet her daughter and
then end up coming back down.When the incident happened, she went straight
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south, and so she went thecompletely wrong way from where she came from
and where they were going. Somy, So the girl who survived,
she wasn't the hiking instructor. Shewas just one of the students. One
of the students, which which onewas She was she like the youngest kid
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or she was No, she wasseventeen. Because I'm thinking, I'm thinking
the quality of the students. Nowgranted their students. This must have been
like a beginner's hiking adventure. No, it had to be. They were
experienced. She knew each of them. Well, Sasha was like her son.
She experienced completely the wrong way.Well, she just had a traumatic
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expl to the lake it's over there. No, this is this isn't I
mean, this is four days hikeup a mountain. It's not like the
lake's over there. It's she shelost situation. Yes, I guess fine.
I was just thinking that anybody wouldknow the direction where the lake was.
But she took a hard left orsomething would drop in some she didn't
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have a compass with her, becausethat's why she had to go back to
the equipment. But who knows.The compasses might have been smashed or they've
been going crazy because with some phenomenathat's happening in the area, which contributes
to one of the theories. Ifyou let Alicia wow, well, I
imagine I'm not going to go whereyou're thinking, Nash. But never most
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people never go full Nash. Younever knew that full nash. Yeah,
Mark, I'll bet you a hundredbucks, they'll never align. Yeah,
you're right. There were declassified filesthat were released by the Russian government that
in nineteen eighty two, seven militarydivers were training in the depths of Lake
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Baikal when they spied weirdly shaped underwatervehicles that moved far faster than anything that
they had had at that time thedive. The divers also claim that they
came across a squad of silver suitclad non human beings at a depth of
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about one hundred and fifty feet.These divers attempted to capture some of these
unusual humanoids, which resulted in thebrutal deaths of three of the divers.
The four survivors were also said tohave been severely injured by these creatures.
What if they were still in thearea and they were running in experiments or
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something aliens? No, Well,okay, then, before you, I
want to give you your your yourfifteen minutes of fame. But wow,
wow, I hope it's not fifteenminutes long. That is three times as
long as I normally get. Honestly, being underwater is the scariest thing possible.
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H like random things in silver suitsand you're just gonna be like,
I'm gonna go capture it. Whatis wrong with you? Underwater? Yes,
underwater. But they're Russian scared ofnothing. That's right, That's exactly
right. They are stout folk withno farce. That's right. That's right.
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I'm excited. Okay. So duringthis I I had a bunch of
theories that came up because I waslistening and reading and doing my research.
First I thought it was it couldhave been a windigo spirit that people were
kind of doing their thing, andI was like, nah, that doesn't
it doesn't quite you know, Ithought UFOs possibly. As it turns out
that you had said that the LakeMakal is the deepest lake in the whole
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wide world. Yes, you know, it's it's super deep. Give an
example of this. This lake isthe size of Belgium. It is larger
than all of the Great Lakes inNorth Amyeric and because of its depth,
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it is the most fresh water thelargest freshwater source lake in the world.
This is like enormous. You can'timagine how big this lake is. And
and slightly aside from this, itmight have a NeSSI swimming around in there.
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It's said to a rumor to haveis that where you're going. No,
but it's close. It's in theneighborhood that there is a nesty swimming
around in there. But what oneof the legends, Okay, one of
the legends says that there's a portalto another world at the bottom of the
lake. That would make sense atabout forty two meters down that there is
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a portal to say how the aliensare going back and forth? No,
Mark, you keep going to Emil. It's no, it's not aliens.
I swear it's the things in silversuits. No, oh my god.
People do tell that the lake isinhabited, okay, by a powerful spirit,
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that it resides there, the lakeBekyle monster or the be Kyle Babuska.
Come on, you've all seen JohnWick. Yeah, there's a Bekyleska.
It's not but it's not the No, it's not that. But Baba
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Yaga is it? Bobby Yaga?Yeah, that's what they call John Wiggaya.
This is wrote Russian. Isn't thatgrandmother? That's great grandma at the
bottom of that. Yeah, that'sa very powerful spirit. And there's could
be the case and that there is. You've played Skyrim, it's the night
Mother. It makes a whole differentstory. If John wicks nickname was the
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He's like, have some soup someyou love it? Yeah, but have
you ever angered a grandmother? Likeit's hard to do, But what do
you do? You get the woodenspoon? Do you get the bottom of
your flip flop? Whatever it cansmack you with. That there also is
because of that portal to another world. I had never thought of the that
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the putting the skin would be inthe bottom of this giant lake. But
there is an escaped spirit wandering aroundthese hills called Leshie. Leshie is one
that that doesn't hang out in thewater because Grandma's on the water he should
kick his ass, but waters aroundthose hills and was possessing people in the
hills. That is what happened tothese hikers. I know to Drive the
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Point Home recording podcast, I'm drivingthe Point Home. It doesn't it doesn't
quite make the same point if Ijust if I have like like you know
effects, yeah, fun whack soyeah. So Leshie was trying to possess
these hikers. That's what happened.Why it happened, so quickly trying to
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possess one. It didn't work out, Boom died, went to the next.
Now you could say it was nerveGas, but I means I'm team
nerve Gas. No, no,No, they were possessed. But but
okay, and that's what made hergo off course and go to some other
direction and experienced hiker in quotes,you know, took a big left when
they're still seventeen. I mean shewas a little jacked up. She was
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a little wasted, and she tookoff. She was a little jacked up
because her friends just yeah, theywere all possessed her. Yeah, because
they didn't maybe they didn't offer asacrifice on this or or give atonement to
the to the spirit mother in thelake. But as much as they say,
I am actually not agreeing with whathappened to the group, right,
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But I think you're on base withthe lake. Yeah. So the lake
itself is a rift lake just wherethe plates where they come together. So
it's it's separating, creating this large, large lake and at the bottom of
it where I come from and couldbe a portal to something. Now this
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other spirit coming out there's actually theywere a distance away from the lake.
This they weren't. It wasn't inthe lakes like the lake's over there.
We go. But unless she can'tgo back, she he or she whatever
can't go back home because of this. The grandma there, the owner of
the lake, can't can't get backbecause preventing this leshie from coming back.
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So he's kind of pissed off.He's killing people around on his hikes.
That is clearly the answer. You'reall wrong, right, But taking it
back to the lake to two differentthings. The number one, there was
an incident in Africa at a lakeand I can't remember the name off the
top of my head. I shouldhave written it down where another natural lake.
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It something happened, It was anearthquake or whatever, and it released
carbon dioxide that bubbled up and itkilled everybody around the lake. It just
suffocated everybody. Happens to me everynight in my family. A lot of
stuff bubble up. And that's nearlyit's mostly methane in there. Continued,
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but the they were too far awaythat if the lake had bubbled bubbled,
they were too far away that There'stoo many other right, But there's the
chance of sodium cyanide causing this.It could have been a poison that she
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put in to their waters, andthat's why she survived. She was the
possessed one, or the other sideof it is that's what's put into bear
and wolf traps in Russia. Soif Sasha stepped on a bearer wound one,
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it would have sounded like a gunshotgoing there's an explosion when it releases
this gas, but it causes theseexact same symptoms and would have again continued
she gave CPR, she would haveingested it. She hit somebody, and
who's to say that it's eyewitness accountof her surviving that the other two just
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dropped dead or the manner they couldhave they did if they got near.
There was a movie called Fallen wherethey kept transferring the next person, next
person exactly, but it really wentdown like that, like one person got
it, then it transferred the firstperson that came the next person. There
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is one other theory, and it'sa far out one, okay, but
maybe not. It was the yettiokay, because of the yetty. This
was all in a documentary called YeahYETI Killer, No Killer YETI on Max
that we watched. It was mostlyabout the dialog pass. But then they
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touch based on this incident we're talkingabout, and they're talking about the yetti
being it to create an infrasound.I didn't put a sonic attack sonic attack.
I actually put that in here becauseit would create it that which can
create intense fear paralyzation. Uh Likeeven tigers use it to You know,
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when you hear that groud a tiger, you're instantly like, oh God,
I don't know about the bleeding bleedingfrom the ears. Yes, you know
the eyes, sonic attack burst theear drums, you'll bleed from the ears.
I don't know about bleeding from theeye. But I like how you
when you mentioned like a wind ago a spirit that might be on habit,
Like some people are blame it onthe yetti, What is like a
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se That's what I think. Wedon't even That's what I'm kind of saying.
You understand, uh ah, tookcontrol of a yetties walking around,
laying down in laying down the brownnote. Well that's a different result,
but okay, but that's what Ikind of thought. It was, like
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the the this leshie was kind ofnot necessarily creating a wind to go spirit
for these people but kind of orkind of a version of a wind to
go but in Russia, right,right, exactly, That's exactly interesting.
I believe in Dave his theory.Like the nerve gass really pointed that Team
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nerve Gas. Nah, clearly wrongway off base, haven't you. It
was a tragedy. It was atragedy for sure, with the string of
string of pearls configuration. Right.But but they showed you what happened.
I mean, did you see thethe guy who yeah, you put it
in his mouth and he no,no, not that one at the beginning
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when where they show the footage ofwhat the gas does. Yeah, I
saw that. Yeah, Team nerveGas the X Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know. Well, noone will ever know because the government
has made their decision that they alreadysealed this case. And why was the
girl covered in blood? I hadso many questions about the girl herself.
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Why was she she was covered him? She had to get supplies, the
supplies wouldn't be on their persons andthe backpacks, well, why would she
be covered in blood? Though?If you're just gonna rule somebody or to
get someone of their backpack, you'renot gonna end up covered in blood and
unless you touch you got blood onyour freak out, You wipe it on
your clothes. And you know ifif you're wearing a backpack, you've got
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shoulder straps and you're bleeding at yourears, it's going to be all over
the well, you don't touch yourshoulder straps, you go to the back.
But if if the lone survivor hadgrab supply, she might have been
touching blood and had to wipe itoff on herself. Would you, if
you had a choice, are youtrying to act? Are you trying to
are the theory that she murdered allthe No? No, no, But
there's a lot of questions with herbecause it's only based on what she reported
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and what they found. If youhad a choice, if you if you
were going back to where say shedidn't like she didn't like eat them or
anything? No, no, butwhoa why do we go there? Well,
that's why I thought she'd be coveredin blood is because she was hungry
and had no food. No,she had to eat some bike. Let's
say that Mark g Lish and Ijust bled from our eyes and ears and
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died on the side of the mountain. Do you hiked away and you had
stuff in your backpack, you sleptfor the night and you came back.
Yeah, now there's a question onhow I could sleep. All three of
us have backpacks, you know,hiking packs on yep. Would you a
no, take the backpack off,no to investigate it? No? Or
you would rummage through it attached toour dead body. I would literally,
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I would literally just roll you ontoyour grab the backpack and roll you onto
your stomach and get the stuff Ineed out of the backpack. See,
I would be like, I'm notnear that body. I'm grabbing the backpack,
pulling till I get it off.And and you could also cut the
straps. You can also cut thestraps right off and pull it off.
It's that wouldn't be at the topof my mind, so I would do
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it. I'll do it that wayso I don't get covered. Well,
yeah, you don't have a knifeor anything, so right in the backpack.
Well, she's an experienced hiker.I don't know it's in the backpack.
That's why I would just roll youon your stomach and get stuff out
of the backpack. It's not somuch that they were expiers. I mean
they were they would never go hikingwith Nash. Yeah, they were,
they were. Yeah, if youdie, I won't because why did you
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die? I don't know, youknow. But at the same time,
I'm not going to touch your body. You're more worried that we could be
radioactive. Or I'll get what Ineed out of the backpack and boogie and
if it's three or four days outin the woods, I can last three
four days out in the woods.Just I really need to eat. I
got plenty of deficiency, deficiency,I could be just fine. A couple
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of kind bars, and I'm goodto go. Speaking of just fine,
why don't you go to paranel punchesdot com. You find all the way
is to follow the show, andwho knows, have some cool things coming
your way. Uh, that's it. That's we're done with this topic.
Don't listen to the boys argue clearly, spirits very clearly. We are so
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excited to be back, and thankyou so much for convincing us to keep
doing the show. Yeah you areamazing. And on the serious side,
I mean the support you guys gaveit in your post. Yeah, this
was fantastic. Thank you so much. That was really really kind and that's
what brought us back, really,and yes, thanks for giving us the
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chance to continue with these episodes andwith the openness of the next episodes.
So maybe you listen to both,maybe you listen to one either way.
Can't thank you all enough. Yes, thank you, thank you, and
hey, it's twenty twenty four,but we're not changing the thing because remember,
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it was not weird. It's notworth checking out.
Hey, y'all, this is Frankthe Bigfoot and you're listening to the Paranormal
Puncher. Hey, friends, welcometo another episode of Paranormal Punchers. I'm
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Mark, I'm Militia, I'm Nash, I'm Dave. I almost forgot to
order. How we do this?It's been so long, but it's a
lot happy New Year. It's twentytwenty four. Well, not that they
don't need to know what we're recordingthis man, right, Okay, don't
break the fourth one. Sorry,I guess that it's been a little while
since we did this. Yeah,it has been because the last episode we
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told you we were going to retirethe show and start something different. But
retirement sucks, but retire min sucks. No. A lot of people reached
out email direct messages on our Facebookgroup and had such wonderful things to say.
We just felt like, you knowwhat, let's keep it going.
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Let's keep this going, but we'regonna mix it up. So we're gonna
do one regular paranorm Punchers episode thatyou love a month a month, and
it's going to be just the paranormaltopic. No d in D, no
movie talk, just do the topic. And then the second episode of the
month will be which we're gonna callthe Tipsy Crypton. It's our bar.
(01:36):
We're the owners. You get topull a seat up and listen to us
talk about whatever we feel like talkingabout. It could be so weird.
Yeah, yeah, so that's agreat, great form for whatever anybody wants
to talk about. Throw out anidea. It will definitely be weird.
I mean, don't we'll tell itshort of it won't be weird. But
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because if it's not, it's not, we're checking out exactly. Thank you,
good night. You picked up onit. Okay, still warm it
up, that's right, I gottaget warmed up. Dave was like,
should we tell everybody just how rustywe are as it took me five minutes
to set the board up. Ishould have had that done in five seconds.
(02:22):
Yeah. Well I got the colorsright, Yeah, everybody has their
own special cable color. Yeah yeah, nashears is purple, thank you,
I'm green. If anybody cares,nobody cares. Oh, this is the
kind of stuff they don't want tohear. They want us to get into
the paranormal topic. Now we gottabe next episode because it's twenty twenty four
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we started the show in twenty seventeen. Imagine that so long ago. But
the first topic was the Diatlov Pass. Correct, So we're gonna kick off
twenty twenty four with a topic thatis very similar. Also, it took
place in Russia, in Siberia,and it was another mysterious situation where hikers
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went out and never came back.Here's a fun fact. I didn't really
put the two together that the dayoff the out pass was in Russia.
I'll get to that. I havestuff on that. Yeah, I thought
it was in like Montana or something. This is called Tamar Dobbin incident or
(03:30):
something like that. We're doing great, Yea, we forgot how to comb
Dobbin Dobbin, David Kamar, DebanDebon. I think of it as Debon.
I have no idea how to pronouncethis also known as the Batia die
out Laft Pass. Ye and uh, if we're pronouncing things wrong, we're
sorry. We're doing our very best. But that's how you know it's still
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you know, it's authentic. Thisis not AI, it's really us,
all right. Uh, do youguys want me to start? Yeah?
Okay, now you were a littlerusty here it's more than we don't want
any of us to silently Like.On August second, nineteen ninety three,
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Ladmilla Corvina, who was an experiencedhiking instructor, led six of her students
on a hiking trip to the KamarDevon Mountain Range. She was very familiar
with the area and it was avery popular and safe place to hike.
Her students were Alexander Chryson, whowas twenty three, Tachiana who was twenty
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four, nineteen year old, DennisSpotchken Valentina who was seventeen, Victoria who
was sixteen and fifteen year old teamortimer to I don't know how to say
his name. I'm sorry, yougotta say it with an accent, so
maybe it's nearer. I don't knowthat's but no, hey, wait,
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wait to try all that. Likebasically, five teenagers went out pretty much
you know, sorry. Uh.The group arrived at the mountain range in
the town of Marino, and we'reexcited for their journey. The weather was
also forecasted to be clear and thatthey would have sunny skies. Their group
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was one of three hiking groups inthe area, one of which was actually
being led by Ludmilla's daughter Natalia.Their two groups had plans to meet up
on August fifth, when their hikingroutes would cross paths. And this was
summer, Yes, it wasn't likemiddle of winter, right, No,
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August Yeah you think mountain range oflike, right, I'm sure it was
like this wasn't nice, it wasthe beginning of fall. Was a picture
I found the one of the peoplein the picture. He was wearing a
short sleeve shirt T shirt. Sothis was they had gear for if weather
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turned bad, because yes, youare going up in altitude, but it
wasn't. So they were all nice. They were all dressed for nice weather.
Yeah. Yeah, this wasn't expectedto be yeah, now correct right.
The first two days of the hike, the group did really well.
They beat their time, like toget up to the peace estimated time.
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Yeah, hitt checkpoints. Yeah.However, when they were beginning their descent
on August fourth, they were hitwith a rainstorm, which slowed them down.
With everything soaked and they added weight. Everyone was exhausted, so Ludmilla
decided to camp out hastily in anexposed location, even though there was tree
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cover not too far away. Uhand they were not able to start a
fire. Yeah, it was raining. The next morning, they ate breakfast
together before heading out, right,so they were so they went to bed
probably wet and cold and yeah itstill sucks cold and wet. Uh,
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So they ate breakfast together before theyleft the morning. That morning, the
plan was to meet up with Nataliaand her group, but unfortunately that never
happened. The group set off downthe mountain, but after only a few
minutes, the first disaster struck Sasha, who was Alexander. Alexander, Uh,
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he was at the back. I'msorry, David on fire. He
was at the back of the group. He began to scream. When everyone
turned around to see what was happening, they saw that he was bleeding from
his eyes and his ears, aswell as frothing at the mouth as you
do. He fell to the groundconvulsive, all right, he fell to
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the ground, convulsing and then wentstill. Loud. Milla ran to him,
but told everyone else to just continueon. They did not get very
far before they heard lod Milla cryout, just sending the stage. I
didn't hear it. As just continueon. It was go get to the
tree line. Oh like get Okaand yeah, why were they safing the
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tree line? What were they?What was happening? Yeah right, because
she also succumbed to the same mysteriousYeah. So she cried out and as
they turned they decided to run backto her. They saw that the same
thing that had happened to Sasha washappening to her. Her eyes and nose
were pouring blood, and she wasfrothing at the mouth. She convulsed and
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then collapsed on top of Sasha.But I heard or I read that before
she did that, she started smashingher head that somebody else sorry the Russian
names I know, Tachiana, whohad gotten too Ladmilla first, was the
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next to collapse. She started grabbingat her throat as though she couldn't breathe,
and then slowly crawled over to anearby rock, where she bashed her
own head in head. Yeah,and she did that until she went limp.
Victoria and to Murr both ran whileDennis hid behind a rock. Valentina
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was unevil behind his rock. Notgoing to see me behind a rock now.
Valentine Valentino was unable to move fromfright, as she had just witnessed
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three of her friends seemingly die.Within minutes, both Victoria and Timur collapsed
while running and died in a similarmanner, throwing up blood and clawing at
their own throats. And then Ifound one thing. And I'm not sure
if this I only saw it inone place, but like they were tearing
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their clothes off as well. Yeah, okay. It's called paradoxo undressing.
Yeah, okay, which is linkedto hypothermia right off. Yeah yeah.
Realizing they were the only ones left, Valentina and Dennis ran to each other
and hurried away from the sight oftheir friend's death. It didn't take long
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before Dennis collapse, convulsing. Scaredfor her didn't help them at all.
Scared for her life, Valentina ran. She only had a tent and the
clothes on her back for supplies.She ran down the mountain until she was
certain she was far away from thetragedy that she had just witnessed. She
found tree cover, set up thetent for the night, and fell asleep.
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She wasn't sure if she was actuallygoing to wake up right as you
would feel that way. Can youimagine what that would be like? Having
just turned around on a nice hikeby a lake. You're up on the
hills and you turn around and yousee someone with their your eyes and ears
and all the spots on your faceare spouting blood right, or your friend
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bleeding from the eyes, smashing theirhead against a rock. Oh my gosh,
you would be in fool But whatdo you even do? How do
you how do you try to stopthat? Right? So, when she
woke up, she knew immediately thatshe would need some applies. She was
going to survive alone in the wilderness, so she had to go back.
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She went back. She treked backup the mountain. She got to the
site saw that no one had movedfrom the spots where they had, so
she quickly just took the supplies thatshe needed from their bodies and left.
For four days, she followed powerlines down the mountain until she found a
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river and began to follow that.She was hoping some would someone would come
across her and help her, andby the end of the fourth day that
wish came true. On August tenth, a group of kayakers noticed something in
the tree line as they were paddlingdown the river, a lone girl standing
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and looking at them. The kayakersgot out of their boats, and when
they approached her, some sources claimedshe was covered in dried blood. The
girl became hysterical, trying to tellthe Kayakers her story. Eventually, she
identified herself and said that she hadbeen hiking with six others. Horrified,
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the Kayakers took her to the nearestpolice station, where a report was filed.
Despite the report she filed to thepolice, no official search was conducted
until the twenty fourth of August,which is what fourteen days later, two
weeks later. Wait, they fifthbecause it happened on the tenth when she
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came down the hill. Yeah,they found her. The Kayakers found her
on the tenth okay, and ittook them two days to find the bodies
using helicopters. An autopsy report concludedthat they had all died of hypothermia,
except for Ladmilla, who suffered aheart attack. They all had signs of
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bruised lungs and protein deficiency due tomalnutrition. That was like a contributing factor
to their desk, which is odd. Yeah that I also heard that they
made the slow survivor. The governmentmade her sign an n d A.
Yeah, that she wouldn't talk aboutanything else except that statement, which right
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away, how you get how youget malnutrition? For me? Her for
five days? They just had breakfastthat morning. Yeah, and they didn't
have like chocolate milk and ho hosefor Pete's sake. I mean they probably
had what you at least a protein. Well, I mean it's what would
you what could you eat that wouldencourage malnutrition five days? That that's insane,
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that's right, that doesn't make sense. Now. One of the theories,
if we want to go that iseat talking about eating some One of
the theories is they ate some mushroomsthat might have been uh more on the
magic side. Maybe they had awicked bad trip, which I call that
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theory. I don't believe that theory. I don't. I wouldn't say the
wicked high trip. It would bemore of the said wicked bad trip,
wicked bad, but the more thepoisonous. I mean, the so they
got wrong linesman, I think arelike but the leader of the lea,
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the leader of that I was anexpert electromologists or forager. She would have
known plus nine. Yeah, right, So I don't know about that theory
necessarily. Now that's what I wentto that first. It was like something
they all had to do something atthe same time to get the same result
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at the same time. All fourof them or all five of them are
but they right, But that doesn'taccount for the one girl who survived.
Now, some some of the articlesI came across talking about if it was
mushrooms, she the a didn't havemuch for breakfast. And I would like
to say, like, if you'reputting cre eat mushrooms, see, I'd
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be okay, because I mushroom.I hate mushrooms. I love mushrooms.
Okay, Well, then you mightbe bashing your head against that rock.
I'd be okay, Well I'm bad. Uh, And they The theory is
maybe she either had to build upa tolerance for it or maybe hardly had
any of them Supposedly, if theyhad mushrooms, had eaten these mushrooms Princess
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Bride style Kane powder kind of thing. I'm there with. Another theory was
that they saw something that they shouldn'thave. They walked into some kind of
Russian military experiment. But this isa hiking place. I know. That
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was the problem was this is avery public and very popular look, right,
so you know, and if there'sif there's something that you shouldn't see
in nearby a known hiking area.I mean, that's not smart. True.
But another prevailing theory, Dave,I'll kick this to you is that
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it was nerve gas no novachok nonochok gas, which which Russia developed in
nineteen ninety three, the same yearthis went down. Yes, and here's
I don't want to say really cool, but here's the really cool thing of
that is the interesting part of it. The interesting part of it. These
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gases, the ex or noviachak willlinger for four five six months after testing.
So but aren't they soluble in water. No, they're transferred through water.
So the rain The one theory wasthe rainstorm kicked up what was left
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from testing from months before and actuallytransported it. And they are heavier than
air, so they're lower to theground. The thought is that Sasha was
walking and stepped in a high concentrationof it, which poofed it up.
He caught it when he started.Everybody went to go see what was happening.
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Ludamilla went to see what was happening, and the one report she gave
him CPR. And giving him CPR, she ingested some of the points to
mouth. Yep. When somebody wentover to look on her, she bit
the person, which transferred to shewent almost zombie on him. Yes,
and then wow, I didn't seeany of this. And then the other
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two it was still just you know, the guests. They were just biting
each other. Dennis's problem was thathe was too low to the ground.
He hid behind the rock at groundlevel. He wasn't high up. But
I forget her name now that survived. She never ducked down, so she
was standing the whole time. Shekept or distance from some what was going.
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She was distanced away and standing up, so that as the gas that
was released was transferring down the hill, Dennis caught it. She didn't.
And so let me pose this.I I came across this, so you
got this this nerve agent. Heavyrains it washed it down. But the
next day was really nice. Thesun came up. Some of the theories
(19:32):
is it as the sun was warm, it started to evaporate up. Yes,
and they were starting to inhale it. And then another theory is they
might use some of the water tocorrect I'm kicking it to you. Well,
I mean I was mostly on thewhole the rainstorm kicked it up,
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and they so. But yeah,they could have easily. And again maybe
the loan survivor didn't eat much brakfast. You're right, she stayed back so
as so I could see the sunheating it up, and then as it
evaporates up into the air, peopleare like inhaling it, right, and
that is how it disperses. Soit's not water soluble, but sunlight does.
That's right out of Batman begins.They're putting that gas in the water.
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WHOA, Okay, but this isnot what happened though, But go
ahead. No, I'm just sayinglike that their whole premise was when it
evaporates. There's also the thought thatmaybe Valentina's story was inaccurate, so like
it was such a traumatic experience forher that she kind of missed from her
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bird aspects of what actually happened.Well, she was pretty screwed up over
the whole thing. Well, onething I just want to point out the
the autopsies didn't find anything that concludedwith what she said, And the question
is was she inaccurate or more orwere they forced by the government if they
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stumbled onto something and the soldiers tookcare of them, then the autopsy would
have been forged. But also ifit was a residual from the previous government
experiment, pretty sure the government youreally had to sign an NDA, which
I found that out just one videoon YouTube. I didn't dig deeper to
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see the accuracy. But if theyhad, if she had to, LEDs
to the idea that they're like,hey, shut up, sign this.
Shut your mouth right now. Well, you know what, before we finish
up more theories, why don't wetake a quick break and then we'll come
back and wrap this story up.And well I'll tell you the correct theory.
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Oh gosh, we'll be right backand we're back. Okay, more
theories and what happened to these hikers? So my last one happens to deal
with lake by call BaCl call.I don't know how to say it was
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by call by. Some of thespelled it different ways, a couple of
different Well, it's translating currialic intoMHM Latin. Well, okay, sorry,
set up, mispronounced, Please don'tjudge. Judge. This lake is
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actually blow get it, get anash okay, blow the mountain where they
were all at. They started atthe lake at the foot of the mountains
upwards from there. Okay, theystarted at lake level. Okay, for
some reason I thought it was onthe other side. Yeah, no,
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they they actually they started at thelake. They worked their way upwards,
and then they were going to meetup with her daughter and come back down
and end up at lake level again, but at a distance of many miles.
I couldn't find where the river wasthat the people of the Kayakers found
her. She went the wrong way? Is that what it is? So
I don't know how to describe thison a podcast. But they started,
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let's say, to the east,they worked their way south by southwest and
ended up to the west of wherethey started, and that's where they the
incident happened. They were supposed tocontinue going north, almost like a big
horseshoe. Correctly, they were supposedto go north to meet her daughter and
then end up coming back down.When the incident happened, she went straight
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south, and so she went thecompletely wrong way from where she came from
and where they were going. Somy, So the girl who survived,
she wasn't the hiking instructor. Shewas just one of the students. One
of the students, which which onewas She was she like the youngest kid
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or she was No, she wasseventeen. Because I'm thinking, I'm thinking
the quality of the students. Nowgranted their students. This must have been
like a beginner's hiking adventure. No, it had to be. They were
experienced. She knew each of them. Well, Sasha was like her son.
She experienced completely the wrong way.Well, she just had a traumatic
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expl to the lake it's over there. No, this is this isn't I
mean, this is four days hikeup a mountain. It's not like the
lake's over there. It's she shelost situation. Yes, I guess fine.
I was just thinking that anybody wouldknow the direction where the lake was.
But she took a hard left orsomething would drop in some she didn't
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have a compass with her, becausethat's why she had to go back to
the equipment. But who knows.The compasses might have been smashed or they've
been going crazy because with some phenomenathat's happening in the area, which contributes
to one of the theories. Ifyou let Alicia wow, well, I
imagine I'm not going to go whereyou're thinking, Nash. But never most
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people never go full Nash. Younever knew that full nash. Yeah,
Mark, I'll bet you a hundredbucks, they'll never align. Yeah,
you're right. There were declassified filesthat were released by the Russian government that
in nineteen eighty two, seven militarydivers were training in the depths of Lake
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Baikal when they spied weirdly shaped underwatervehicles that moved far faster than anything that
they had had at that time thedive. The divers also claim that they
came across a squad of silver suitclad non human beings at a depth of
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about one hundred and fifty feet.These divers attempted to capture some of these
unusual humanoids, which resulted in thebrutal deaths of three of the divers.
The four survivors were also said tohave been severely injured by these creatures.
What if they were still in thearea and they were running in experiments or
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something aliens? No, Well,okay, then, before you, I
want to give you your your yourfifteen minutes of fame. But wow,
wow, I hope it's not fifteenminutes long. That is three times as
long as I normally get. Honestly, being underwater is the scariest thing possible.
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H like random things in silver suitsand you're just gonna be like,
I'm gonna go capture it. Whatis wrong with you? Underwater? Yes,
underwater. But they're Russian scared ofnothing. That's right, That's exactly
right. They are stout folk withno farce. That's right. That's right.
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I'm excited. Okay. So duringthis I I had a bunch of
theories that came up because I waslistening and reading and doing my research.
First I thought it was it couldhave been a windigo spirit that people were
kind of doing their thing, andI was like, nah, that doesn't
it doesn't quite you know, Ithought UFOs possibly. As it turns out
that you had said that the LakeMakal is the deepest lake in the whole
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wide world. Yes, you know, it's it's super deep. Give an
example of this. This lake isthe size of Belgium. It is larger
than all of the Great Lakes inNorth Amyeric and because of its depth,
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it is the most fresh water thelargest freshwater source lake in the world.
This is like enormous. You can'timagine how big this lake is. And
and slightly aside from this, itmight have a NeSSI swimming around in there.
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It's said to a rumor to haveis that where you're going. No,
but it's close. It's in theneighborhood that there is a nesty swimming
around in there. But what oneof the legends, Okay, one of
the legends says that there's a portalto another world at the bottom of the
lake. That would make sense atabout forty two meters down that there is
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a portal to say how the aliensare going back and forth? No,
Mark, you keep going to Emil. It's no, it's not aliens.
I swear it's the things in silversuits. No, oh my god.
People do tell that the lake isinhabited, okay, by a powerful spirit,
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that it resides there, the lakeBekyle monster or the be Kyle Babuska.
Come on, you've all seen JohnWick. Yeah, there's a Bekyleska.
It's not but it's not the No, it's not that. But Baba
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Yaga is it? Bobby Yaga?Yeah, that's what they call John Wiggaya.
This is wrote Russian. Isn't thatgrandmother? That's great grandma at the
bottom of that. Yeah, that'sa very powerful spirit. And there's could
be the case and that there is. You've played Skyrim, it's the night
Mother. It makes a whole differentstory. If John wicks nickname was the
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He's like, have some soup someyou love it? Yeah, but have
you ever angered a grandmother? Likeit's hard to do, But what do
you do? You get the woodenspoon? Do you get the bottom of
your flip flop? Whatever it cansmack you with. That there also is
because of that portal to another world. I had never thought of the that
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the putting the skin would be inthe bottom of this giant lake. But
there is an escaped spirit wandering aroundthese hills called Leshie. Leshie is one
that that doesn't hang out in thewater because Grandma's on the water he should
kick his ass, but waters aroundthose hills and was possessing people in the
hills. That is what happened tothese hikers. I know to Drive the
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Point Home recording podcast, I'm drivingthe Point Home. It doesn't it doesn't
quite make the same point if Ijust if I have like like you know
effects, yeah, fun whack soyeah. So Leshie was trying to possess
these hikers. That's what happened.Why it happened, so quickly trying to
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possess one. It didn't work out, Boom died, went to the next.
Now you could say it was nerveGas, but I means I'm team
nerve Gas. No, no,No, they were possessed. But but
okay, and that's what made hergo off course and go to some other
direction and experienced hiker in quotes,you know, took a big left when
they're still seventeen. I mean shewas a little jacked up. She was
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a little wasted, and she tookoff. She was a little jacked up
because her friends just yeah, theywere all possessed her. Yeah, because
they didn't maybe they didn't offer asacrifice on this or or give atonement to
the to the spirit mother in thelake. But as much as they say,
I am actually not agreeing with whathappened to the group, right,
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But I think you're on base withthe lake. Yeah. So the lake
itself is a rift lake just wherethe plates where they come together. So
it's it's separating, creating this large, large lake and at the bottom of
it where I come from and couldbe a portal to something. Now this
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other spirit coming out there's actually theywere a distance away from the lake.
This they weren't. It wasn't inthe lakes like the lake's over there.
We go. But unless she can'tgo back, she he or she whatever
can't go back home because of this. The grandma there, the owner of
the lake, can't can't get backbecause preventing this leshie from coming back.
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So he's kind of pissed off.He's killing people around on his hikes.
That is clearly the answer. You'reall wrong, right, But taking it
back to the lake to two differentthings. The number one, there was
an incident in Africa at a lakeand I can't remember the name off the
top of my head. I shouldhave written it down where another natural lake.
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It something happened, It was anearthquake or whatever, and it released
carbon dioxide that bubbled up and itkilled everybody around the lake. It just
suffocated everybody. Happens to me everynight in my family. A lot of
stuff bubble up. And that's nearlyit's mostly methane in there. Continued,
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but the they were too far awaythat if the lake had bubbled bubbled,
they were too far away that There'stoo many other right, But there's the
chance of sodium cyanide causing this.It could have been a poison that she
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put in to their waters, andthat's why she survived. She was the
possessed one, or the other sideof it is that's what's put into bear
and wolf traps in Russia. Soif Sasha stepped on a bearer wound one,
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it would have sounded like a gunshotgoing there's an explosion when it releases
this gas, but it causes theseexact same symptoms and would have again continued
she gave CPR, she would haveingested it. She hit somebody, and
who's to say that it's eyewitness accountof her surviving that the other two just
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dropped dead or the manner they couldhave they did if they got near.
There was a movie called Fallen wherethey kept transferring the next person, next
person exactly, but it really wentdown like that, like one person got
it, then it transferred the firstperson that came the next person. There
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is one other theory, and it'sa far out one, okay, but
maybe not. It was the yettiokay, because of the yetty. This
was all in a documentary called YeahYETI Killer, No Killer YETI on Max
that we watched. It was mostlyabout the dialog pass. But then they
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touch based on this incident we're talkingabout, and they're talking about the yetti
being it to create an infrasound.I didn't put a sonic attack sonic attack.
I actually put that in here becauseit would create it that which can
create intense fear paralyzation. Uh Likeeven tigers use it to You know,
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when you hear that groud a tiger, you're instantly like, oh God,
I don't know about the bleeding bleedingfrom the ears. Yes, you know
the eyes, sonic attack burst theear drums, you'll bleed from the ears.
I don't know about bleeding from theeye. But I like how you
when you mentioned like a wind ago a spirit that might be on habit,
Like some people are blame it onthe yetti, What is like a
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se That's what I think. Wedon't even That's what I'm kind of saying.
You understand, uh ah, tookcontrol of a yetties walking around,
laying down in laying down the brownnote. Well that's a different result,
but okay, but that's what Ikind of thought. It was, like
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the the this leshie was kind ofnot necessarily creating a wind to go spirit
for these people but kind of orkind of a version of a wind to
go but in Russia, right,right, exactly, That's exactly interesting.
I believe in Dave his theory.Like the nerve gass really pointed that Team
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nerve Gas. Nah, clearly wrongway off base, haven't you. It
was a tragedy. It was atragedy for sure, with the string of
string of pearls configuration. Right.But but they showed you what happened.
I mean, did you see thethe guy who yeah, you put it
in his mouth and he no,no, not that one at the beginning
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when where they show the footage ofwhat the gas does. Yeah, I
saw that. Yeah, Team nerveGas the X Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know. Well, noone will ever know because the government
has made their decision that they alreadysealed this case. And why was the
girl covered in blood? I hadso many questions about the girl herself.
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Why was she she was covered him? She had to get supplies, the
supplies wouldn't be on their persons andthe backpacks, well, why would she
be covered in blood? Though?If you're just gonna rule somebody or to
get someone of their backpack, you'renot gonna end up covered in blood and
unless you touch you got blood onyour freak out, You wipe it on
your clothes. And you know ifif you're wearing a backpack, you've got
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shoulder straps and you're bleeding at yourears, it's going to be all over
the well, you don't touch yourshoulder straps, you go to the back.
But if if the lone survivor hadgrab supply, she might have been
touching blood and had to wipe itoff on herself. Would you, if
you had a choice, are youtrying to act? Are you trying to
are the theory that she murdered allthe No? No, no, But
there's a lot of questions with herbecause it's only based on what she reported
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and what they found. If youhad a choice, if you if you
were going back to where say shedidn't like she didn't like eat them or
anything? No, no, butwhoa why do we go there? Well,
that's why I thought she'd be coveredin blood is because she was hungry
and had no food. No,she had to eat some bike. Let's
say that Mark g Lish and Ijust bled from our eyes and ears and
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died on the side of the mountain. Do you hiked away and you had
stuff in your backpack, you sleptfor the night and you came back.
Yeah, now there's a question onhow I could sleep. All three of
us have backpacks, you know,hiking packs on yep. Would you a
no, take the backpack off,no to investigate it? No? Or
you would rummage through it attached toour dead body. I would literally,
(38:59):
I would literally just roll you ontoyour grab the backpack and roll you onto
your stomach and get the stuff Ineed out of the backpack. See,
I would be like, I'm notnear that body. I'm grabbing the backpack,
pulling till I get it off.And and you could also cut the
straps. You can also cut thestraps right off and pull it off.
It's that wouldn't be at the topof my mind, so I would do
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it. I'll do it that wayso I don't get covered. Well,
yeah, you don't have a knifeor anything, so right in the backpack.
Well, she's an experienced hiker.I don't know it's in the backpack.
That's why I would just roll youon your stomach and get stuff out
of the backpack. It's not somuch that they were expiers. I mean
they were they would never go hikingwith Nash. Yeah, they were,
they were. Yeah, if youdie, I won't because why did you
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die? I don't know, youknow. But at the same time,
I'm not going to touch your body. You're more worried that we could be
radioactive. Or I'll get what Ineed out of the backpack and boogie and
if it's three or four days outin the woods, I can last three
four days out in the woods.Just I really need to eat. I
got plenty of deficiency, deficiency,I could be just fine. A couple
(40:09):
of kind bars, and I'm goodto go. Speaking of just fine,
why don't you go to paranel punchesdot com. You find all the way
is to follow the show, andwho knows, have some cool things coming
your way. Uh, that's it. That's we're done with this topic.
Don't listen to the boys argue clearly, spirits very clearly. We are so
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excited to be back, and thankyou so much for convincing us to keep
doing the show. Yeah you areamazing. And on the serious side,
I mean the support you guys gaveit in your post. Yeah, this
was fantastic. Thank you so much. That was really really kind and that's
what brought us back, really,and yes, thanks for giving us the
(40:55):
chance to continue with these episodes andwith the openness of the next episodes.
So maybe you listen to both,maybe you listen to one either way.
Can't thank you all enough. Yes, thank you, thank you, and
hey, it's twenty twenty four,but we're not changing the thing because remember,
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it was not weird. It's notworth checking out.
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