Larry Lawson Interviews - BRIAN CANO - What Is The Paranormal? - Paranormal StakeOut Radio/TV Show with Larry Lawson

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Welcome to the Paranormal Stakeout Radio TVshow with Larry Lawson. As a former
career law enforcement officer and law enforcementeducator, Larry focuses on the use of
tried and true law enforcement investigated techniquesin conducting paranormal investigations. Despite his experience
and training, Larry also and keepsan open mind to discussions on topics that

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deal with evidence that are not quiteas physical in nature. Paranormal Stakeout guests
are professionals in the field of theparanormal and parapsychology, conducting the investigations and
research needed to further the cause ofparanormal study. Larry advocates an agenda of
standardization of structure and training in thefield of paranormal investigation and research for the

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purpose of one day being able toproduce the evidence needed to convince a jury
of the existence of the paranormal.Whether it is ghosts, UFOs, unsolved
mysteries, hauntings, or cryptids,no topic is beyond the investigative reach of
Larry Lawson and the Paranormal Steakhout RadioTV show team. Now Here is the

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host of the Paranormal Steakhout Radio TVshow Larry Lawson, and good evening everyone.
Welcome back to Paranormal Steakhout. I'myour host, Larry Lawson, Welcome

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of my shows tonight. Very excited, very very excited to have our guests,
well well known, renowned at ParanormalInvestigator Brian Kano is with us tonight.

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Bryan is a featured analyst on TravelChannel's Paranormal Caught on Canada. He's
been a camera He's been a gueston History Channels Curse of Oak Island,
which we're going to discuss tonight.He's been on The Unexplained with William Shanner.
But where he rose to fame andwhere we all first saw him was
as the tech specialist on the scifi show Haunted Collector, And if folks

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remember that with John Zappis, thatwas a terrific show. When he's not
on the screen, he's this twentytwo year investigative veteran can be found sharing
all of his wit and wisdom attop notch events in elite universities, doing
lectures throughout the US and internationally.In twenty twenty two, his book Grains
of Sand Tales of a Paranormal LifeParanormal Life hit the shelves and has been

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an award winner ever since. So, without further ado, I'd like to
welcome Brian Kano to the show.Good to see you again, Brian,
Hey, Larry, how's it going. Good to be here? It's good,
And Brian's been been down to myneck of the woods. He's been
at an event that we did here, and this is your second time here
on Paranormal Steakhouds. It's really greatto have you back. And you know,

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in case some of our guests arenew to the paranormal field or maybe
just living under a rock somewhere,they may not know who Brian Kano is.
So if you can take a coupleof seconds to just sort of tell
us a little bit about you andwhat you're doing these days. That's what
again? Where what I'm doing?Where I'm going? This is a well,

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let's how did you get into thisfield. What started you on this
journey? You know, I wasalways interested in the paranormal as a topic.
When you were a kid, youbelieve in everything, so so you've
got Santa Claus, the Easter,Bonnie Tooth Fairy. You have all these
things that are supposedly out there thatyou don't question. And I loved watching

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shows like In Search of with LeonardDeimoy. I was a personal favorite of
mine. And even though I tothis day maybe can't remember the content of
all the episodes, the end creditswas burned into my brain seeing Amelia Earhart,
Stonehenge, locked Ness that I thoughtas I watched those end credits and
the music played, when I getolder, I want to do that.

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I want to go to those places. I want to solve those mysteries.
And thankfully those mysteries waited around forme till I got older to go and
do it myself. So I mean, I've been to Stonehenge, I've been
to lock Ness, I've been aroundthe world, thankfully because of what I
do now. But it wasn't withouta couple of speed bumps along the way.

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Around college era, I became verymuch a hardcore skeptic. I didn't
believe it anything. I went througha crisis of faith. I was raised
Catholic, and I said, hmm, God is dead, He's gone.
We're alone. And just to putthis in context, I was in college
during the nineties, so that wasgrungeerer and everything was grunge or we're all

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sad for no reason. But theparanormal really brought me back. It's reignited.
I guess you could say faith.I'm a spiritual person these days.
I know there's something out there upthere around us, and its exploration brought
me from skeptic to a skeptical believer. But I think it's important to maintain

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that skeptical edge. We should neverjust be so open that we become gullible
or naive. But was there anevent that that created this metamorphois for you
getting back into the field and somethinghappened or was it just a gradual thing.
Were it only so simple as oneevent to flip the scripts? It

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wasn't There lots of little things.Back in two thousand and two, some
friends and I started a local kblack SSS show called Scare It on Staten
Island, and it was very muchan urban exploration slash paranormal investigation type show,
and we would go to these abandonedplaces, we'd look for evidence,
we'd try to see what we couldexperience. And over those first i'd say

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probably seven years, from two thousandand two to two thousand and nine,
there was really nothing that said,Okay, here it is. Here's the
big thing that's going to change you. Lots of little things. Each experience
I had, I read, Iresearched, I got mentored, I went
on cases. Each one of theseinstances was akin to a grain of sand,

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and I would take it, Iwould examine it and go this.
You want me to consider this?Eh? And I would throw it down
my feet. And over the years, all these little grains of sand throwing
at my feet metaphorically speaking. Oneday I looked down and I was standing
on a beach made up of allthose grains of sand, and I had

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to consider what that meant. Soit wasn't one thing that changed me.
It was the realization of, ohwow, look at all, look at
all this that I've experienced. Ihave to I have to change my thinking.
And that's why the book is calledGrains of Sand, because each chapter
in It is a story, atell of well, at the time,

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here's what happened, but I didn'tunderstand it until well later. Okay,
when did you start formally investigating,if you will, I mean actually spending
time going out in cases collecting evidence. When did that really start for you?
I mean, we started our cableAcsis show in two thousand and two,

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but I can't even front and say, oh, we were we were
investigators. We were guys with cameraskicking around, just doing things, just
just off off the seat of ourpants. We wanted to see what we
could experience, so it wasn't asmethodical as it could be. And then

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in two thousand and four, weall know what happened. Ghost Hunters came
out, so boom. That changedeverything. It changed the way the average
person looked at it, perceived it. They're like, oh, oh,
this is the thing you could Ohthose guys are plumbers. Oh well,
they're regular dudes, all right.I guess we could do it too.

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And so many people put on theblack shirt and got out there and did
it. And I was even affectedto I said, huh, look at
that van. They've got, they'vegot gadgets, they've got tech. I
need some tech too. And shortlyafter that, I got my first EMF
detector. The the what was it? It was the ELF zone meter.

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Oh, really low frequency. AndI joke around and I call it the
Fisher Price my first EMF detective becauseit's just it has three lights and that's
it. You have no control ofit. And it's not even a meter
per se. It's a detector,but it's felt so empowered. I'm like,
yeah, now, oh, herewe go. Now we're gonna,

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we're gonna, we're gonna fighting backon it. Thinking back on it,
did you really understand what it did? I mean truthful? No? Uh.
And that's why I tried to haveas much patience as I can these
days when I see people using newthings or doing it incorrectly, and I'm
like, well, we all haveto start somewhere. We TV engenders you

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to believe that oh this uh,this is a ghost detector. All you
have to do is just take itout and it's gonna work and you're gonna
detect ghosts. No, it's alldata collection, it's and it's evaluating that
data once you have it. Andone of my favorite, there's two there's
two quotes that I love, andthey're both by fictional characters, one being

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Charlock Holmes. Once you eliminate theimpossible, whatever remains, however improbable,
must be the truth. And thesecond was from CSI, their lead investigator,
Gil Grissom said, follow the evidence, follow the evidence, and a
credo of mine, follow the evidenceand go with the evidence leads you the

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shows and well, I want toget into the clinic. Collector here in
just a couple of minutes, helpthe or harmed the field. Your opinion?
TV shows are entertainment, be entertained. I mentioned CSI Crime Scene Investigations,
So a lot of people will watchit. They'll hear the Who's opening

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and it's like, oh, herewe go already, and it's very stylized,
but there is some truth to it. At the same time, there's
a lot of Hollywood fabrication and there'speople thinking, oh, well, I
can go into court because of CSIfingerprints, and that's not necessarily how it
works, and a lot of peoplehave been misled. But if it is

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to learn more, to get youknow, how many people are now in
the field of forensics because of thatTV show. I see it the same
way with the paranormal investigation shows.No one should just monkey see monkey do.
You can't watch say Grey's Anatomy andbecome a doctor tomorrow. They're schooling.
But if you're inspired by it,that's great. So there have been

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shows that have done harm, butit's not really the responsibility of the shows
to coddle their viewers. The viewershave to do some thinking on their own
because we're not going to be aroundwhen they go into the field, when
they go into people's houses, whenthey're evaluating their evidence. They have to
look and get the proper education forthat. Absolutely, and getting that training

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is what's violent and just a buga boo of mine. That's what we
don't have enough of. Enough mentorsand people training, folks that seriously want
to take this on this field seriouslyand do research so that I totally agree
with you on there. Now we'reabout ready to take our first breaks and
I want to get too deep intoit. But you started on Hunted Collector

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what year, oh that was intwenty eleven, twenty eleven? How did
you get there? Briefly, Johnzapfis is all this diggity. You can't
be in the paranormal seriously for anyextended amount of time and not run into
John Zapfas. And thankfully I raninto him at just the right time,
and it became a project called JohnZapfis the World Within, which is a

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documentary we filmed and made about hislife. Interesting. Interesting, Well,
we're about ready to take our firstbreak and we get back. I'd like
to talk a little bit about thatshow and where you're going from here,
So folks stay with us. We'llbe back right after these messages and Mike
Grafts today Brian Kano tuned and wewere back with my guest Brian Kano,

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and just before the break, webegan talking about the show that really brought
you to the forefront of most ofus in the paranormal field, and that
was a Haunted Collector with John's affie. You mentioned you became part of a
project he was working on. Canyou go into little detail about that.
As I was saying before the break, you can't be in the paranormal for

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any extended amount of time and notrun into John Zapfice. He's a fixture.
They call him the Godfather of theparanormal, and that's for good reason.
Just two years ago, he celebratedhis fiftieth year in the field,
and I was blessed enough to beable to work with him on the show
for as long as we did forthose three seasons. But before that happened,

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it was pretty much just running intohim on the convention scene and he
saw what me and my guys weredoing with Scared, and I remember it
was at a convention in Gettysburg,and my motto is always show up strong.
We've got to show up strong.Whatever we're doing, we have to
present in our best way possible.And for the most part, when we're

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talking about anyone working on cases ordoing things, this is all qualitative research.
There's really not a lot of quantitativeresearch going in and people a lot
of people don't even know the differencebetween the two. But when we showed
up at the convention, set upour booth, had the TV, had
our videos playing, John walks upand he goes, huh, how come

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you guys aren't on TV yet.We're like, well, we don't know.
Your guess is as good as ours. And our material was always very
independent. We did it for ourselves. We did it in the age before
YouTube, before TikTok, before cellphones, you know. So we did
it old school, and I thinkthat prepared us in a certain way to

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do it right. And once wegot involved with him, doing a documentary
about his life was probably one ofthe most fun projects I've ever worked on.
We lived in his house for amonth, We followed him, We
went to work with him everything hedid. We were there with the camera
when he woke up in the morningin his pink or purple bathrobe and shuffling

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into the kitchen to get coffee.There we were with the camera, and
we learned so much. I'm stilllearning from that time. And folks don't
really many folks don't even know whathis lineage is. He's related to the
Warrens. He's the nephew of EdWarren, so that itself is interesting.
Now his show, Haunted Collector,he specialized on that show. I realized

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the depth of his and the breadthof his background. But that show focused
on items that were haunted. Canyou kind of explain that theory a little
bit? You know, It's funnybecause when the show came out, everybody
scoffed at it because they were usedto the ghost hunter slash ghost adventure model.

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And it was very much okay,we go and here's how it goes.
It can only be this. Whenwe introduced the concept that okay,
items can be haunted too, everyone'slike, no way, Oh that's silly,
or you guys are just trying totake things. And now hop on
Facebook, hop on Twitter. Everybody'sgot haunted items, everybody's got museums and
looking for things. And it openedup the concept. And sure we had

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to be the punching bag for thatbit of growing pain for the field.
But if you look at it conceptually, everything is energy and vibration. A
haunting is just an expression of that, so be it the land, the
house, a person, or theitem, it's just orders of magnitude.

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If an item can be considered tobe haunted and one of two things is
happening. Either a there is aspirit attached to it or has some involvement
with it that it doesn't want tolet go. It's literally attached to this,
or the item itself is a catalystfor pre existing energy in the home.

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And this is why sometimes people won'tmove and the activity follows them because
maybe they still have that heirloom,or they've moved into a house there's dormant
activity, they go to a yardsale, they go to and it could
be anything, and they bring theitem in and it doesn't mesh with that
energy, and all of a suddenactivity pops up and they're like, oh

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my god, what's going on?And it might be that item that caused
it. And the item itself isn'tmagic or haunted or cursed, it's just
what cutted off those chain of events. So are you suggesting perhaps that an
item intelligent versus residual haunts. We'veall talked about it, one of the

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many disagreements and discussions we have inthe field. So are you suggesting that
perhaps items can be the catalyst fora residual haunt? It could be.
And again, because everything is energyand vibration, look at uh just let's
let's let's take something back from chemistryclass and physics. All right, take

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a room. Fill half of itwith hydrogen atoms, half of it with
oxygen atoms. Eventually, over time, these elements they're gonna they're gonna mix
and intermingle and become water. Butit's going to take some time. But
if you introduce a catalyst to this, say maybe a piece of platinum boom,
you will get a big expenditure ofenergy and explosion. This catalyst causes

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those reactions to happen quicker. Sothe haunted item is like that catalyst that
all right, yeah there are things, there's energy. It might be dormant,
it might never presents, but maybeits introduction into that environment will cause
that reaction enough to be perceived bythe people who live there, almost like
that final key to the chain thatmakes things happen. Right, I see

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exactly what you're saying. This leadsinto an important question that I do like
to ask my guests, and I'dlike to get your opinion on this.
What's a ghost? What is yourphilosophy? What is your opinion of this
phenomenon that we all seek. Semanticsand nomenclature are very important. I mean,
the English language has words for fivesix words for every possible object and

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subject, but they're all slightly different, and it's important to use the right
words because they're not interchangeable, orat least they shouldn't be. So you
go down the list ghost, spirit, specter, spook, shade, etc.
But as we whittle it down,the two big ones ghosts I assigned

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to residual. A ghost is literallyjust that echo. Yes, I've seen
a ghost. You can interact withit, you can't change it. It's
an echo of what was, whereasa spirit, a spirit has free will,
a spirit is intelligent. A spiritcan interact with you, you can
get its story, get to thebottom of why it's here and what to

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do about it. And that's whyagain, producers on TV don't necessarily care
about this. They just want thescariest thing. So ghost hunters, ghost
adventures, ghosts, fill in theblank. Gotcha. Okay, So that's
interesting. I've never heard it quiteput like that, but it makes sense.
But what do you think, whatdo you think happens after we finish
here? What is this spirit?I like the residual ghost connection. That's

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a great way to put it.So what is the spirit? What is
that? What is it that we'reseeing and why are we seeing it?
In Brian Kano's opinion, it's gotto be opinion, because I mean,
we've all we've all been kicking around, crawling in the dark, trying to
get to the bottom of this,and we don't have any solid evidence to
say, well, this is connectedto that. We have a lot of

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ideas. We all have a lotof theories, and actually not even theories,
we have hypotheses that have yet tobe borne out. But if the
intelligent spirit has free will, justas I'm here talking to you now,
because I chose to come on thisshow at eight o'clock on a Thursday,

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I wanted to be here. Sohere I am, spirits can go back
to where they were loved, wherethey had an experience. Maybe they're curious
we live on a haunted planet wherewe are they are, So it kind
of bristles me when you go toa famous haunt and they tell you about

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the history of the place, andthey tell you about the three ghosts that
live there and are always there,and I'm thinking, they're not always there.
And I mean, if they're intelligent, they're not always there. And
even if they do come, it'snot an amusement park, so they're not
going to perform the way we hopeto. And I got to tell you
all the famous places, some ofthe big ones which I will not name.

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People go and expect to have theexact same experience they see on TV
or that they heard their friends have, And I'm thinking, what's the point
in that why do I want tohave the exact same experience. I would
rather have a new experience and addto the story, get more information.
Otherwise, it literally is just anamusement park ride where you're following that same
track over and over again. AndI think that's a problem with many folks

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in the field. And I usea term a paranormal thrill seeker, for
example, and the world is fullof them. Maybe most of our teams
are paranormal thrill seekers hoping to havethat knock in the middle of the night
or maybe see the chair move,you know, and wow, that's great,
and they move on with the restof their lives. And there's nothing
wrong with that. But very fewpeople work to research to find out why

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that chair moved or why they heardthat knock, you know. That's the
difference between the two, and alot of folks. You're right, they'll
go to those venues hoping for thatone experience they saw on ghost Hunters.
So I absolutely agree with you.But where do you think the spirits are,
Brian? Are the spirits, Imean, do we go to heaven?

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Is there a collective mind on theother side? Are these spirits coming
back in another life? Reincarnation,Any thoughts on any of that, many
thoughts. This is a huge topic. This is I know this is gigantic,
but I really do feel and againfrom someone who was raised Catholic,
lost religion, came back to spirituality, and is constantly forced to experience things

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that have me reevaluate what I thoughtI knew. Kevin Smith's The Movie said
it best. Chris Rock's character says, it's better to have an idea because
once you say you believe in something, you have faith in something, well,
there it is. It's in thebook. Whichever book you you follow,
whichever category you place yourself in.People go to war for that.

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People die for those ideals that theydon't know for themselves. They take it
on faith. Now, we inthe paranormal, we take a lot of
things on faith. But we haveto be disciplined enough to say, oh,
you know what I was wrong,what I thought yesterday. It's fine.
I have more information that modifies whatI thought I knew. So now

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I have to change. And thisis why I've been the skeptic, the
scientist, the believer. I'm askeptical believer these days, because, like
I said, it's important to beskeptical, but ah, you have to
to follow that evidence. So whathappens to us when we die? I've

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been I've been researching that forever,and the closest I've come is this bubble
within a bubble theory that almost almostphilosophers tapped into it when the movie The
Matrix came out and they're like,oh, we might be living in a
simulation, because no matter what happenshere, no matter how deep into space

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we go, no matter how muchwe explore our reality, that's just in
this this tiny little sphere, thereal world is outside of it. And
that could be where spirit resides,That might be our heaven, that might
be where we return to. Wereturned to the source. Now there's a
great movie. It's fictionalized, butit helps people understand, but you have

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to be ready for it. It'scalled What Dreams May Come with Robin Williams,
and in its it's it's it's avery sad movie. So you can't
watch it on a sunny day thinking, Hey, Robin Williams, Oh that's
missus doubtfire, I'm gonna laugh,you are not. It's it's it's a
heavy movie, but it goes intothe topic of well, when you go

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to the other side, things aren'talways as they seem. And down here
we have your your benevolent haunts,like oh, Grandma's here, Oh I
smell her perfume. Grandma isn't alwaysGrandma because when she passes and goes onto
the next phase, Grandma was onlyone aspect of this whole that represents who

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she is. Maybe now she becomessomething else, maybe you or something else
back then, and we have toremember it heavy thought. But we got
to take our break and I wantto get back on this topic along with
a bunch of others. I hopewe have enough time. Folks, stay
with us. Brian Cato's my guest. We'll be back right after these messages.
And we're back with my guests,Brian Cano. And you know,

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Brian, I owe you an apology. I kind of put you on a
spot innocently but on purpose, andthat is getting your opinion on the philosophies
because nobody really knows what it iswe're dealing with on the other side.
That is the mystery. I thinkyou'll agree that we are trying to solve
and there aren't really any experts outhere because nobody knows for sure what the

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heck is going on and why weexperience what we do. But do you
think whether it's the TV shows orjust human nature, maybe our egos refuse
to allow us to admit sometimes we'rewrong or that we don't really know.
And have you experienced that? Goahead, that's ENTI I mean, that's

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that's an excellent point. Our egosso often get in the way. We
think we're the pinnacle of evolution ofdevelopment, and there's so much we don't
know. There's more that we don'tknow than we do know. And the
average person just on your your yourdaily existence from the moment you wake up

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to the moment you go to bed, there's a i'd say a lack of
humility and that yeah, we don'tknow a lot. And I mean asking
me the question what do I thinkhappens? That's an important one. It
needs to be addressed. We haveto delve into it. Otherwise, what
are we doing? We have toknow what goal approaching. But if we
see, oh, that goal iswrong, we have to change course.

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We have to have the wisdom todo it and just say, okay,
you know what I was wrong?Exactly. We have to be able to
say, you know, maybe yourpoint of view fills in some gaps that
I didn't have. I didn't haveit quite right, and I think the
lack of that humility has been oneof the things that have kept us back
from moving forward, held us back. I will say something though, to

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a term you used earlier, thefield, the field, and you know,
the field is very small and manypeople who it's important to adjust what
exactly that is. Being interested inthe paranormal does not mean you are in
the paranormal field. Going on aghost hunt on a Friday doesn't not mean

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you're in the field. Wearing ablack T shirt does not mean you're in
the field. I'm barely in thefield. If you're a researcher, yeah,
you're doing work. You're trying toevaluate and get down to the data.
Yeah. And I've noticed that thebubble of paranormal enthusiasts comes down to

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tourists, investigators, and researchers.And again, there's nothing wrong with being
in any of those categories, butyou have to know which category you're in.
So you're famous haunts and want toscare, yeah, they're tourists people
like you and me, And ittook me a long time to learn this.
I can't get mad at them becausethey don't do it the way I

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do it, or do it oras serious as I am, because you
never said they were. But somepeople think they're in one category when meanwhile
they're not. And that's hence theterm I use paranormal thrill sekre there is,
Hey, why do people jump outof airplanes that thrill? When I
do it? No, I'm notgonna jump out of airplace, but they
do it for the thrill. Sothere's a place for everybody in the field

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or whatever we want to call it. It's granted, but it's but there's
a place for everybody in the inthe journey, we'll call it the journey.
But the folks that want to findthe answers, there is a distinct
difference, and there's a place foreverybody. But the ones that are trying
to find the answers, those arethe ones that need to move forward.

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And you did something and I Iwould like you to take a couple of
minutes to talk about this. Whenyou were down and you were an event
we did a few years ago.You did an experiment in the old library
in Felsmir, and I was veryimpressed with it. My team was very
impressed with it. You call itthe psychic projection experiment. Do you still
do that? You still? Oh? Yeah? Explain that I can't remember

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what the success rate was back inFelsmir, but too deep, it's worked.
I believe forty nine times now.What the psychic projection experiment is this
puts This is firmly a parapsychological experiment. I pause it that a good deal
of the EVP that we collect isnot coming from spirits. It's coming from

(32:19):
us because there's expectation there is we'reseeding certain things. Now. For example,
you hit record on your recorder andyou start asking questions. Questions come
out like what year is it?How many are here? How old are
you? Okay, now what dothese have in common? These particular questions.

(32:42):
They're all stuff that we want toknow, I mean that we're all
wanting to More specifically, they're numericalquestions. The answers have numerical values.
So when you ask what year isit, already in your mind you're thinking,
okay, I know what years is, and I know what I'm hoping
to hear. When you play itback and you're listening and you hear you
hear any sound, you're trying toforce it into that preconceived assumption. Now,

(33:07):
because we have that, it's impossiblefor us to wipe our minds and
not think that maybe when we're makingthe recording, those thoughts are being projected
out and get imprinted on our devices. So yeah, especially for things we
know the answers too, I feellike we're doing and in an effort to

(33:29):
prove that the psychic projection experiment,I have people sit I say, all
right, guys, we're going torecord, but we're going to choose a
word, and we're going to donothing but think of that word for the
next sixty seconds and imprint it onthe device. Like, all right,
guys, you see my recorder andyou have the word, get it on
there, Get it on there.And I've had to revise the experiment a

(33:52):
few times over the years, andI wrote about it in my book.
But what I found at Felsmeir wasthat humor is an important and part of
that because I always try to askthe people i'm with what should the word
be, And sometimes if you saylike desk, door, house, there's
nothing exciting about that. But theprovocative words, those seem to punch through.

(34:15):
And if there's an inside joke betweenthe people at any given time,
I find those words have the veracityto get through. And they've been where
it's like balls, boobs, baconscared. Banana was our banana was our
word banana. Maybe it's bees.Maybe the bee is an important element to

(34:37):
that. But I found that allright, over the years I've been doing
it. I've been doing it forover a decade. It's worked forty nine
times, not a great batting average, but the fact that it's better than
zero and under the conditions that yousaw, shows that, all right,
there's something to investigate. There's somethingto look into. Further, two of
my folks were in there and theyboth told me we heard the word banana

(34:59):
come out out on the tape afterwards. Now you remember the Philip experiment,
I so, oh, yes,it was part of my part of the
inspiration for that, right, Andyou take the Philip experiment we've talked about
in the show. Folks, thisis a group in Toronto back in the
seventies that created a guy named Philip. Didn't do it going through this just

(35:21):
briefly but created. A guy namedPhilip did a very closed investigation on it,
and Philip responded to him. ButPhilip was a product of their own
creation. Does this go to provethat a lot of a lot of what
we may be experiencing You just saidit is a product of our own mind

(35:42):
and what our mind is capable ofdoing that we have yet to figure out.
Does that make sense? We don'tknow the strength that we don't know
the strength of our own mind andwhat our own mind is capable of,
and in this case, does itcreate evidence? Unwittingly? Every square is
a rectangle, but not every rectangleis a square. The fact that something

(36:05):
might fit a hypothesis we have inthe field, or conceptually it might fit,
it doesn't necessarily mean it's the explanation. There could be many explanations,
And once we find something that works, it doesn't necessarily mean that it's true
for every instance that we encounter it. Now, the power of the mind,

(36:27):
I really do feel that. Okay, this this meat suit we're in,
it's it's resistance. So the soul, the spirits, the spark,
whatever we want to call it,it's driving this this mechanical thing we're in
and because of it it we're notworking at full capacity. We are not
at our level best. We dookay for you know, evolved apes,

(36:52):
but pure spirit just energy. Yeah, that's why it seems like they can
do things that are met or beyondus. But we do have that potential,
but we also do have definite limitationbecause of the bodies we're in.
There's some things that we will neverbe able to do and we have to

(37:12):
understand that. But at the sametime, we have to be aware that
we are not operating at peak efficiency. So is a more comprehensive study of
the brain and the brain's capability AndI know there's folks out there that are
working on it, but could thatbe part of the answer to figuring out
what this is? Is there aconnection between what our brain is, what

(37:34):
our mind is capable of and theother side. Is that maybe a direction
we should take. Yes, Imean conceptually, yeah, that's great.
Funding is a different story, andI mean you have lots of parapsychologists working
on different areas. You've got youknow, Daryl Bem You've got a list
that right now is escaping me.Because again, my brain, my little

(37:58):
mushy brain is not operating at peaceefficiency. But yes, when we have
to consider the herculean assignment of wheredoes the soul exist, I feel it's
it's got to be the brain becauseyou can lose parts of yourself, you
can lose most of your body,and yet you are still you until the

(38:20):
brain goes and you can have yourentire body. But if you get into
a car accident, you go intoa coma and you're considered brain dead,
You're you're a vegetable, you arejust an automaton, no longer you.
So that that almost implies that,yes, the soul is mixed up in
this chemical, physical, electric,uh electronic thing that's that's going on up

(38:45):
there, and more studies of that. There's a lot we don't understand about
the brain. There's a lot ofassumptions that are made, but we don't
have it hard hardwired yet. Onceagain, we just don't know. We
just don't. We just don't.Oh, I want to talk briefly about
Oak Island. I want to spenda couple of minutes on that. We'll

(39:07):
probably end up going to the finishingthe discussion after the break, but Oak
Island, for those of you thataren't familiar with it. It's an island
off of Nova Scotia. They werelooking for a buried treasure that was first
discovered or suspected a couple of hundredyears ago, and a team has been
out there excavating trying to find it. And during this mister Kano was invited

(39:29):
out there to do a paranormal investigation. How did that come about? How
did? I don't know how wherethe origins were? But the Prometheus called
me one day. They're the productioncompany and they said, oh, hey,
we're doing a show and we're goingto bring an investigator out that would
you like to be that? Isaid, yes, I would like to

(39:51):
come to Oak Island And next thingI knew, I was on a plane
to Halifax checked out the islands.There was a lot of the TV end
of it where my all the timewas ten am. I show up at
ten am. There's nobody there andI'm thinking, where is everybody. They
give me a call and they say, oh, production got pushed back to
three o'clock. Just you know,hang around. Okay, I'll hang around.

(40:12):
But that was cool because I gotto be on the island by myself.
I got to experience. Its wantliterally kind of one on one and
it was quiet because once the productiongot into full gear, you've got your
producers, your production assistants, acamera, that everything, and my partner
there was Maddie Blake, who hostsDrilling Down and it was great because while

(40:36):
he knew about the topic, thiswas kind of his first official investigation and
it was great to be with them. Good, well, let's put that
on hold them. We'll get intothem nuts and bolts, the meat of
it if you will. Right afterthese messages, folks, So stay with
us or to come. We areback with my guest Brian Kano, and
I want to remind everybody to checkus out at the at our website Paraneral

(40:59):
fbid dot com or Indian Riverhuntings dotcom. Also our YouTube channel at Indian
Riverhuntings two three four one in Facebook, get a hold of me at ghost
Guy at Paranormalstakeout dot org. Ifyou have some questions, thoughts or comments
about the show, we'd love tobring it up right at the beginning of
the show. And of course Iwould be remiss if I did not say

(41:19):
check out all the other terrific programmingon the X Zone radio and broadcast network.
That's XZBN dot net and x ZoneRadio TV dot com. Brian,
how can folks get a hold ofyou and tell us a little bit about
your book before we get back intoOak Island. Best place to find what
I'm doing is my website never StopSearching dot com. I also have a

(41:43):
Patreon site which is Patreon dot comslash Brianjcannell on it. I have my
own podcast mentor sessions that I offerfor apprentices so that the training can continue.
And my book Grains of Sand isavailable wherever books are sold. So
excellent. Well, thank you somuch for that, So let's get back

(42:05):
to Oak Island. I mean thatshows personally fascinating me because I'm a detective
by trade. That's what I did, and in solving mysteries is what it's
just in my blood, so tospeak. So that show is very interesting,
been very interesting to me. Andwhen you popped on that show,
of course, all my team knowingyou, it became the talk of our
little group when you got out there, you're waiting. If you're on this

(42:30):
island by yourself, you get achance to kind of commune with the island.
I would assume kind of take usthrough what happened while you're out there,
if you would, that is kindof literally what I did. I
because this was a TV show,Because I would only be there one day,
I wouldn't have the luxury of doingthings and setting it up on a

(42:53):
on a longer scale. They're like, all right, go go go,
go, go goat. And itall came together so quickly. By the
time I found out I was doingit, I found myself on a plane
thinking, please, please let somethinghappen. Please don't let it just be
one of those things where like,oh, we got the wrong guy.
We should have gotten X, Yor Z from some other show. And

(43:19):
I wrote about this in my book, and I was excited because I was
aware of the show. I'd watchedit. They dropped things like, oh,
maybe the arc of the Covenant isthere. There's a lot of Indiana
Jones references, and I said,ooh, this is so exciting. The
Knight's Temple are Oh what's what's whatam I going to discover? But I
still have to deliver And my biggestI love recording for EVP that I feel

(43:47):
is the most the best evidence wehave so far, because everything else can
be affected in so many different ways. And when we're out there, we
literally went to every side. Wewent to this, we went to ten
X, we went down to theto the docks, we went everywhere and
did an EVP session and as yousaw on the show, thank god they

(44:08):
were rolling. One of the greatmoments was when we're looking down that shaft
at the money pit and we said, okay, can you make a noise
of your hair? Whoa Maddie jumpedand thankfully I didn't react, I didn't
move. I was you know,the eyebrow goes. And again that's just

(44:30):
from years and years and years ofdoing the work. And it was the
bane of the producers on Haunted Collector, because you know TV, they want
the big reaction. They want youto yell, they want you to run,
they want you to I don't fight, I don't flee. I freeze.
So Goak Island. When I firstgot there and I was alone,

(44:51):
not that I prayed or meditated,but I pretty much I crossed that land
bridge and I said to the island, hey, I'm here, I'm in
a different country. I'm there's lotsof Native American history there, and I
said, look, I come herewith the utmost respects. I can't fool
you. You know who I am, Like, you could see right through

(45:13):
me. And I'm just saying,if it's if it's your will, please
let me have a successful So itis showing respect. That's so vital.
It's just showing respect like that.Yeah, and that being said, I
mean on the show, they pickedthe worst EVP. They picked the worst.
And thankfully I didn't meet the brothersbecause they're like skeptics. We're all

(45:37):
skeptics. I saw them. Theywere like right there and Maddie's like,
I'll introduce you to them, andyou know, time being what it was
that didn't happen. But when Iwas in the war room listening to those
recordings and again the the investigation wasgreat. Maddie super cool guy. But
all the producers are waiting for meto listen to this recording and to see

(46:00):
what to happen next. I wasso stressed. But the first EVP session
at the swamp got an EVP.Every location I got something. But as
TV works, if it doesn't workinto the storyline, they might not use
better evidence. And that happened onHaunted Collector. All the time, I

(46:21):
asked at one point is the seventhperson on the island right now? And
we got the answer no. Sothankfully Maddie, myself, the guys,
we won't have to die to reviewhis treasure. Wow. So you're saying
the brothers were very skeptical. Standthey're skeptical by nature. I mean,

(46:44):
these are these are guys who havebeen on this island for a while trying
to get down to the the realistictreasure hunts. And here comes this guy
who's good ghosts. But you callsomething Curse of Oak Island you should look
into what why did they call youin? What was the reasoning for it?
Well it was the producers, notnecessarily the brothers. And the show

(47:07):
is a companion show called a Curseof Oak Island Drilling Down and that's where
Maddy hosts and he gives a littlemore added content. So he's not digging,
but he's saying, Okay, here'swhat happened, and here's some side
things. And after all these years, they said, well we've never really
looked into the curse, have we. We should probably get some people.

(47:27):
And unbeknownst to the viewers, originallythey were supposed to get someone a first
Nations person there to go with me. Network said, so, I mean
unfortunately, but fortunately for me,I mean it worked out well for me.
But yeah, they wanted to lookinto the curse from different angles.

(47:49):
Were there any stories that had comeout that you were aware of or had
been told about up front of sightingsor events on the island, because I've
heard rumors that there were some things, but I've never never got anything definitive.
I mean, I was told aboutsome of the things that happened.
I forget the gentleman's name, butit was that the father who used to
live there, but now he won'tgo back to the island. I think

(48:09):
he passed recently. He never stayedon the island. He would do his
business on the island and then leave. I think the Sun is in charge
now. They saw like a abig wolf type creature, some some eyes
and lots of ancillary reports, andat every location we went to, there

(48:29):
seemed to be a possible reason forthat. Maybe maybe there was a curse,
Maybe there was something that was putin place to defend what it is
they're looking for. And I guessthey figured, all right, this guy's
expendable, send him in there.Let him miss around with a curse and
if he dies, he dies.Yeah, he's not a regular, so
we can let him go. Yeah. Yeah, I won't ask you if

(48:52):
the island is haunted, but Iam going to ask you. Did you
feel that there was paranormal activity onOak Island. Well, as I said
earlier, everywhere is haunted. Welive in a haunted planet. So where
we are they are. The factthat there's have been inhabitants there and in
the surrounding areas. Yeah, therewill be things that are inherent to that

(49:12):
island. There will also be thetransient things that are coming that are curious.
Like me. Again, I hadto cross an international border to go
there because I was curious. Butthat being said, when I was alone
on the island, the fact thatI could reach out to the island,
I wasn't doing it in a waywhere like, oh, I hope you're
there. I felt like I was, yeah, I'm talking to the island,

(49:34):
and I felt maybe like it heardme. There was a weight there
there, there was a different presence. It's okay, that's fair enough.
And one topic we really didn't gointo, but you kind of just touched
on it there. People get theimpression that spirit is landlocked in a spot.
They died there, so they mustbe there, and that is so

(49:55):
far from the truth. They aretransient. I believe you actually used that
where they are transient. So whoknows what's ancient seafarers you had that may
be just passing through it at anygiven time. So interesting done ask you
about that story. So where doyou think the future? I'm not going
to use the word field because yougot me on that one. Where do

(50:19):
you think the Where do you thinkthe future of the journey of research into
the paranormal? Where are we goingfrom here? What are we going to
need to do to take this tothe next step. That answer must come
from the researcher category, because thereis really no future in the first two

(50:39):
the tourists or the investigator, becausethey're going to keep doing what they're doing,
mimicking what they see on TV orjust going for the thrill. So
there really is no evolution. Butfor us, we've got to follow that
evidence. I'm working on a hypothesisright now where I believe that certain locations
might have a sense of its ownand I've been looking into to research done

(51:05):
in the plant world. More specificallyforests, how trees can communicate with each
other via the fungal network beneath it, And there's a lot that goes into
that, and that's almost a categoryfor an entire show of its own.
I've been lecturing that over the pastyear in elect I call unreal estate,

(51:25):
because I feel like once these locationsgain that basic amount of sentience that I
am and I need, it doesn'tjust stop. So it has to do
what it needs to do to continueto survive, as do we all.
And I believe the land is ignoredoften by paranormal investigators or researchers. The

(51:46):
land is so very very important.Do you play believe a place? Let's
take one of the large venues thatwe've all heard about. Can they be,
for lack of a better term,fished out? Yes, you know
I'm going with this. I feellike, all right, for instance,
let's say take Lizzie Boardon House.I wrote about this too. Every day,

(52:08):
every week, every month, touristswill go there and ask Lizzie,
why'd you do it? Andrew?Are you mad? You're dead? And
they get answers. I firmly believeLizzie is not there, but someone's answering.
Who's answering now? Nature abhors avacuum, so Lizzie might be gone
off to her next adventure or whatever. Who knows, maybe you or I

(52:30):
are Lizzie. But something is answering. So if a spirit, it's call
him Bob. Nobody pays attention toBob. Everyone's asking Lizzy, Oh,
why does Lizzie get all the attention? Oh Lizzy, did you do it?
No? And Bob answers because Bobis standing in for Lizzie, so

(52:51):
something might be responding. It doesn'tnecessarily mean it's the authentic haunting, and
thereby sometimes it might not get theanswers right. So enhancing that mystery.
That's why we get so many conflictingreports because yeah, it's not Lizzy there,
it's not Andrew there, so placecan get fished out. But at
the same time, we're constantly reenergizing it with our attention and our intent,

(53:15):
and at times the other side doeslie to us or like, oh,
yeah, it gets it wrong.So well, the problem with my
show tonight is I've got about threemore hours worth of questions and discussion I'd
love to have with you, butunfortunately we're just about out of time,
folks, Brian, I really trulyappreciate you being with us tonight. I

(53:37):
hope maybe you'll join us again andwe can continue this discussion and get more
into the philosophy. So once again, thanks for being with us, Brian
Kano. Folks, thank you,and folks, appreciate you being with us
tonight. It was a great show. Remember to take care of your families,
hug those kids, and we'll seeyou on the other side. See

(53:57):
you next week. Good night,

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