November 22, 2025 • 57 mins
Deb and Krisie are licensed professional tour guides and paranormal investigators in St Augustine FL. They have combined their skills and talent into The F.R.I.G.H.T. Club which includes Historic Haunted Tours and Hide N Seek Paranormal Investigations. They are passionate about the history and the stories the oldest city in the U.S. holds and work to bring to light the truth and the voices of those that lived here in the past. They look to bring others along on their journey and have them experience the stories through tours and investigations.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Welcome to the Paranormal Stakeout Radio TV show with Larry Lawson.
As a former career law enforcement officer and law enforcement educator,
Larry focuses on the use of tried and true law
enforcement investigated techniques in conducting paranormal investigations. Despite his experience
and training, Larry also and keeps an open mind to
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discussions on topics that deal with evidence that are not
quite as physical in nature. Paranormal Stakeout guests are professionals
in the field of the paranormal and parapsychology, conducting the
investigations and research needed to further the cause of paranormal study.
Larry advocates an agenda of standardization of structure and training
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in the field of paranormal investigation and research for the
purpose of one day being able to produce the evidence
needed to convince a jury of the existence of the paranormal.
Whether it is ghosts, UFOs, unsolved mysteries, hauntings, or cryptids,
no topic is beyond the investigative reach of Larry Lawson
and the Paranormal Steakout Radio TV show team. Now Here
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is the host of the Paranormal Steakout Radio TV show Larry.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Lawson, and good evening everyone. Welcome back to Paranormal Steakout.
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I'm your host, Larry Lawson, coming to you from beautiful
Vera Beach, Florida, the southern command post of the XI
and Radio and Broadcast Network. And all's well down here.
We're getting ready to enjoy our Thanksgiving season down here
in the down in the States. I hope wishing everybody
out there holidays. I hope that your weather's fine. We
have a wonderful holiday. Tonight's I got a couple of
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guests that I'm really really excited about. You know, folks
don't realize that Florida it's a new state. I talk
about this quite often on my events and whatnot when
I'm talking to people. It's a new state. But in
this new state of ours, we have the oldest city
in the nation. Yes, Saint Augustine, Florida. A lot of
times Saint Augustine gets lost with all the bigger names
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and paranormal tours such as Charlotte and Savannah, New Orleans.
But Saint Augustine has a very very interesting pass and
tonight We've got some folks from the Freight Club in
Saint Augustine, Florida. We've got Debbie Seekings and Christy Patrick,
their licensed professional tour guides and paranormal investigators in the
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good old Saint Augustine, and there are combined skills. They
have created a group called the Freight Club, and we're
going to ask them exactly what that stands for in
just a second. They do both tours and paranormal investigations,
and they seek to help people understand and learn the
history of beautiful Saint Augustine, Florida. So with that, I'd
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like to introduce my guests, deb Seekings and Chrissy Patrick.
Welcome to the show, ladies.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Thank you doing, Thank you good.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
So Freight Club, what is That's a cool looking acronym
for what you do? What does it stand for?
Speaker 3 (03:28):
So it stands for Florida Research investigations, ghosts history tours.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Interesting, So research is an important part of what you do.
Absolutely excellent, excellent. Well I'd like to hear from both
of you. How did you get into the field, What
brought you into this whole world? If we if I may.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Good scrip first, Okay, So basically I was born and
raised around this. My mother was into it, my grandmother
was into it. I just thought it was normal until
I got into about middle school and I started talking
about ghosts and paranormal things, and everybody just kind of
looked at me like I was crazy, and I was like, oh, okay,
not everybody believes this.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Well, Chrissy, when you say your grandmother and your mother
were into it, does that mean they were just interested
in studying it or searching it or did they have
other abilities that kind of set them on the track.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
So as far as abilities, they did, like feel things
they were able to feel like if the spirit was
near them or things like that, and they always talk
about it. They were always open with us and they're
just like, oh, well, this spirit's here with us now,
or hey, we have this spirit in this house.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
And in depth.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Mine's not quite as exciting. I mean, mine actually started
up more as a just an exploration in general, a
lever of history. So I'm actually thought i'd be an
archaeologist at one point. But when the TV show started
Ghost Uners, for example, and I was watching those and
I was like, Okay, that's kind of neat, and I
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just started to kind of grow in that interest in
combining my love of history with also the paranormal and
more so just trying to, you know, learn about the people.
You know, I'm always I've always been really interested in
the past and just learning about the people that were
here before us and getting into the paranormal side of it.
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Was a good connection to be able to do that.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
So how long have you been both of you? How
long have you been actually physically investigating?
Speaker 4 (05:40):
So I've been physically investigating, I would say, here in
Saint Augustine for about six seven years.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Okay, are you from Saint Augustine originally?
Speaker 4 (05:50):
I am not. I'm originally from Miami. I moved up
here about fifteen years ago.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Oh you're a Floridian. That's so unusual. So many of
us came from another place in Debt.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
So I'm newer on the investigation side of it. Just
been Withsy probably from the last maybe three years or so.
And uh, you know, just before that, just judgmental exploration
things like that.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
So you've got this group called the Freight Club. What
does it do? And I understand that actually your investigative
side is called hide and seek, pure normal investigations. Is
that correct?
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:26):
When did the start? When did the start?
Speaker 3 (06:28):
So we we both we met actually as licensed to
our guys here in town in Saint Augustine, and and
Christy had started the historic contract tours, doing the groose
tours around town, the walking tours around town, and was
also doing the investigations and also wanting to get to
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get a little bit more into it myself. We chatted
and we were like, you know, let's let's merge together
and let's see what we can't come up with. And
the Freight Club itself. So I had had had a
group in Michigan that's where I'm from, called the Screen Team,
and I was like, okay, I can take an acronym
and turn it into a Florida And we came up
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with the Freight Club and it features both the historic
card tours for the walking tours, but then also we
want to focus a little more heavy and get more
into the investigations. And then that's where in the Hide
and Seek Them Investigation Center.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
And I want to talk a little bit more and
a bit about your investigations. But this the tour ism
end of it, has made a little interested right now
you talk about being licensed tour guides in Saint Augustine,
Now there's no question you go to New Orleans, Charlotte, Savannah,
places like that have been known for a long time. Salem,
Massachusetts to have a thriving industry in the paranormal ghost
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tours if you will, What does it take to become
a licensed paranormal tour guide in Saint Augustine.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
So it's a fifty question and test, and it's all
about the history of Saint Augustine's streets on Saint Augustine,
people who are like people who discovered Saint Augustine, who
played a big part in Saint Augustine.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
And do you have to have any paranormal background or
is this just for tourism in general?
Speaker 4 (08:22):
Correct to wars in general?
Speaker 2 (08:25):
How big is the industry there? How many? How many
different tours are there in Saint Augustine.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Yeah, I'll tell you what. It seems like every weekend
there it just grows because at this point, you know,
they've changed a little bit in their rules and regulations,
if you will, as far as the licensed decide of it.
And it seems like any buddy can buy a golf
cart or just go walking around and take a group around.
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The difference with that is is that they're they're pulling
from story after story after story if it's built from
store and you know, what we're trying to do to
set it apart is learning the real stories and the
real history and doing that research and doing that background.
And I'm not doing it more not doing it for
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the entertainment factor, which is mostly what these other tours
are for. It's more for the entertainment factor. We're trying
to bring it more to a real life, like an.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Education, educating out what Augustine is all about.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Okay, so you're doing the research, but what what type
of research are you doing because sometimes history, let's face,
I'm sure you run into this history is in the
eyes of the beholder who told the story first. How
are you getting to the real root of the history
of Saint Augustine, Because I don't people don't really realize
how important that city was and the different things that
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happened there with the different French and the English and
coming through it. It's just a tremendous history. What are
you doing to make a difference, make it different? I
should say.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
So, we do have a library here in Saint Augustine
that holds all of the like archives and official records,
and we spend a lot of time there researching things
and just trying to find old newspaper articles and anything
that has to do with facts of Saint Augustine. As
far as the paranormal and the hauntings are, we actually
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say everything that we've encountered, or like one of our
guests have encountered versus the same Saint Augustine legend.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Okay, what's what's kind of off the off track here
a little bit, But what's the most haunted spot in
Saint Augustine? I have my opinion, I'd like to hear
it from the two professionals there.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
That's a good question. As far as my experience, I
would say the Jimenez Fatio House and then the a dl.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
S.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Those two are probably the most spots that I've got
the most activity at and seeing things.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Now, how much of the city is old, I mean
most of those early cities are very very small. But
how far does your tour reach and where are where
are all these places? In relation to walking distance?
Speaker 4 (11:25):
So my tour is about a mile and a half
and it's a ninety minute tour and we go to
the south side of Saint Augustine. So most of the
tours go north side, which is by the fort and
the Brickyards. Mine will go south side, over by the well,
the Menace House and the Father o'riley's house.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
That's interesting because so much of it does go to
the north. Why do you choose the south? Isn't what's
you're losing.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
I chose the south because it's different. There's not a
lot of tours that go there. So when we are
doing our investigation tour, we seem to get a lot
more activity down there. A lot of people don't even
know about the south side. They don't know about Palm
Street or anything like that, and I just kind of
want to educate everybody that there's more to Saint Augustine
than just the floor and the cemeteries over on that side.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
I'll be honest with you, I've got to throw this in.
The lighthouse is my spot.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
The lighthouse. I worked at the lighthouse for a year recently,
just stopped in May to create my own company and
to run my own company.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
You're not wrong, that's the light. The lighthouse is what
actually set me on my journey. To be honest with you,
but that's a story for a different day. Why are
you doing it? I mean you're talking about wanting to
share the history, but what is your true goal of
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taking people on these tours? Is it? I mean I
assume this is what you do for a living, yes, okay,
but is it a passion or And you mentioned something
early about things get very commercialized there and people just
come in. Why are you different? How are you different
than somebody that just wants to make a buck and
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you're gonna you're gonna do it, You're gonna do what
it takes to make people happy. How are you different
than that? Right?
Speaker 4 (13:24):
So, One, I am very passionate about it. Two, I
won't lie. It's all the research I've done and everything,
and people ask me questions and I will answer them honestly.
Whether they like that answer or not, I'm going to
give it to them. I like educating people, okay, I
like them to know the truth because Saint Honesty's so
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much more than just ghosts or history. And I think
that's our main goal is to just educate people.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
That.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Yeah, I mean, like I said, you know, trying to
step away from the entertainment factor of it that everybody
else kind of tells the same stories, they go to
the same places, which is again another reason why we
went to the other side of town, you know, to
see more of what there is in Saint Augustine. You know,
like you said, it's a town that it has a deep,
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deep history, but people only know bits and pieces of it.
And by exploring into different parts of town and trying
to explore into different stories and find out these and
like you said, you know what, the research is only
as good as whatever you find in print or when
you talk to people.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
And we got to cut you off here because we're
about ready to take our first break. But when we
get back, I want to talk to you about the
commercialization of the paranormal field and get your thoughts on that.
So folks will be right back after these messages and
we are back Saint Augustine. Beautiful cities. I said that
I mentioned four of being a new state. We even
become a territory of the US tol eighteen twenty, I
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think eighteen forty five when we became a state. So
we are new compared to a lot of different states,
and yet we had this beautiful old city. We talked
about this a little bit. What's the tour environment like
in Saint I don't want to put you on the spot.
But is it really competitive between the different groups.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Yes, yeah, i'd say I mean the majority are the tours.
As far as stories, they go around and tell you stories,
whether it's history related or you know, paranormal related. And
you know, what we're trying to do to stand out
from that is by doing more of the investigation side
of it, which is a little bit not quite as
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prominent here.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
What do you mean what do you mean by that?
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Well, just as far as the commercialization of it, there's
not a lot that go around and do the actual
paranimal investigations. Most of them will just walk you around
to the it's the same spots and I'll just tell
you these stories that are kind of.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Off the screw time.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Okay, So you're saying you do what you're doing investigations.
Are you doing the investigations on the tours. Do you
have other events that allow your guests to investigate, or
are you taking the results of your investigations and adding
them into the tour.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
So I do take the equipment with us and we
stop at different locations and we do actually investigate.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Okay, Okay, what do you do? What kind of equipment
do you bring with you.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
So I have the dowsing rod, rim pod, spirit box,
I have the EMF readers, I have cat balls.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
So you bring a whole lot of things happen. How
often how long do you stay in at a spot?
I mean how much time do you give your guests?
Speaker 4 (16:52):
So it all depends. If we are getting really active,
good activity, we will say that longer. If there's not
so much activity, then we will move on to the
next spot on the two hours. If where you get
good results, we're staying older. There's no real time limit
on the tour.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Okay, okay, how about how big are your tours? How
do you have a limit that you can take.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
For the investigation? And we do thirteen people. I try
to keep it small and personal.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Thirteen Does that number just out of a coincidence or.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
Well, pretty much?
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Uh So, this whole field is getting commercialized. I do
tours too. I get it. I understand what it means
to have the passion to do it. But I'm a
little concerned. I'm a little concerned that the whole field
is getting a little too too commercialized. Seeing a lot
of places that are put our facilities that are being
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bought and then advertised strictly for this. Do you think
the field is getting too commercialized and it hurting the
actual research into the field. Your opinions on that.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
So my opinion is, yes, it's getting very commercialized and
which allows a lot of the fake people to come
in with all their lives and everything else. But at
the same time, it's such an amazing field that why
wouldn't you want to share it? You know, like and yeah,
people are buying houses. Same here in Saint Augustine. They're
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buying houses and opening up for paranormal tools or paranormal investigations,
and a lot of them have no idea what they're doing.
So with that being said, like they could call on
the wrong spirits and with them not knowing what they're
doing could end up harming them as well.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Okay, you say they don't know what they're doing. Are
they untrained?
Speaker 4 (18:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (18:56):
I think a lot of it is, you know, with
the you know, all the shows that started to pop
up and everybody would go out, you know, and a
lot of times they kind of have that, hey, we're
going to be like the Londland TV and we're going
to do this, and so they go into it without
the true knowledge behind it, and you find a lot
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of times where you have the folks that think that,
you know, if they go in and they yell and
scream and antagonize that they're going to you know, draw up,
you know, because they're trying to you know, we're you know,
we try and let people know listen, it's not like
it's not like they're on cult. It's not like, you know,
we could have where nothing happens and that's okay, and
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make them understand that. So you have a lot of
people sometimes where they're like, well, you know, we brought
people in, so we got to make sure that this happens,
and they try and do whatever they can to make
it happen, and they're not respecting and you know, following
those proper guidelines. And that's where we're trying to do
it a little different where we're respectful of whoever you
know it that we're going to make any if we're
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going to make any contact with, trying to do it
more on a respectful side as as opposed to, hey,
we just want you guys to book and make some money.
That's that's not you know, we want to do it
so because so you can have an authentic experience and
learn a little bit about the true history and about
the people that were here.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Well, going back to what I asked you before, how
you're different. How do you view your training, your preparation,
your your background different from these other groups that make
sure story is more truthful, more verifiable. What what do
you guys do that are different? As far as you're training,
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have you or what have you done? I should so
as far as.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
Training and research, a lot of it here in Saint
Augustine is just like he says, she said, and like
passed down. You know, like I mentioned earlier, I will
go to the library, I will get into the archives.
I will find records and all kinds of whether it's
like genealogy or something to do with whoever lived in
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that spot, whatever happened in that spot versus just our
Saint Augustine legends. Another factor I have going for me
is that I was raised around this. I know what
I'm looking for. I know how to communicate. I know
when something's starting to go back and we need to
remove ourselves from the area.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Okay, well, that's that's good. A lot of folks don't
understand that. Now you've you've grew up in it. Deb
you didn't, right, So how have you been able to
acclimate yourself to the field and and understanding what it
what it is you're doing and trying to do rather
than just making a buck because it's obvious you're trying
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very hard to share the history.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Yeah, I think that what it comes down to for
me is more just the passion of it and you know,
wanting to just learn and continue really learn. And whether
that's from doing the research or you know, going out
with Chrissy and you know learning you know, to learn
the equipment and how it works and things like that
is kind of another side piece of it. But you know,
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learning how to to truly be able to communicate. And
it really is just that passion that comes down to,
you know, having that feel for it. I mean, you know,
as corny as this may sound, I mean, you know
things that I used to do in the past. You know,
I'm one of those that makes when I make a vacation,
it's to a place where something happened at some point
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in time. But put myself in the space and and
think of the sounds and the smells and the sights
of what it was while that event was happening in
those times. So I think that I pull all of
that into that and it's like, Okay, I really truly,
I just really want to know. And so you know,
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my training of it is just going out and do
it more and more and more, but having that passion
behind it as well.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Understood that. And you you've not had any Have you
had actual experience yet? Deb Uh?
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Yeah, I've had a couple back in the past, just
some places that have been and things that have done.
As far as camera footage, probably my footage quite a
few years ago in Salem, Massachusetts. And I've had a
couple of experiences where I've been touched, once in a
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place in Detroit and once in a place in Tennessee.
And then probably my best footage as far as camera
here full apparition of a soldier at the fort. And
I'm telling you, I'm proud of that.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
I would like to see that one. Yes, I know
there was one group that I won't name that I
know went to the fort. I know because I tried
to spring a group there and they wouldn't let us send.
This is a few years ago because they trashed the
place and showed just total disrespect and they wouldn't let
anybody back in there. You probably know who I'm talking about.
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So the for it's an interesting spot. I'd love to
see that picture sometime, by the way. Yeah, so you
were an adult when you had your first experience. It's
the same thing with me. I didn't have any experience
as a child. It was as an adult. But what
was your How old were you in your first experience, Chrissy,
how old were you when you first experienced them?
Speaker 4 (24:28):
So as far as like actually seeing an operation, I mean,
I've seen like shadows or like things just being moved
on the table growing up. But my grandmother lived in
Saint Bernardo, Ohio, and the house was one hundred and
fifty years old, and it was the first house built there,
and it was a farming house. And I was about
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twelve or thirteen, and I walked down to the basement
and I saw a man standing there. He had overalls on,
a hat on. And I ran right back upstairs and
I'm like, Mom, there's a man in the basement. And
she's like, no, there's not, like there is And then
she goes down there and she looks around and there's
no man in there. She checked the doors, everything was locked,
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and I described who I saw to her because my
mom also grew up in that house, and she goes, oh, well,
that was one of the farmers you saw, And I
was like, oh, we just kind of named some farmer John.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Okay, So what do you think this? We've got a
few minutes before next break. I'd like to start heading
down this road. What do you think this is? What
do you think this phenomenon is? Is it truly somebody
reaching out from the other side? What do you think
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it is?
Speaker 3 (25:49):
So?
Speaker 4 (25:49):
I do believe that it's after life and somebody is
reaching out to us, whether it's just to say hi,
to communicate, or whether it's to say, hey, can you
help meet with something we do need help. I do
believe in spirits and ghosts and that we all have.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Okay, yep, yeah, I mean I experienced a lot of
loss as a younger person, and it's not like I
did this because of that. But it also what it
did is it solidified just the belief of the other planes.
And I had someone describe it really really well to
me one time. She's a medium, and you know, she
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explained it really well that there's just this this this
like clear wall and they're right on the other side
of the wall, and so it it it kind of
just makes you feel like, yes, they're they're all still
right here with us. And like Christy said, sometimes it's hey,
we just wanted to let you know, like we were
here and you know, then maybe a little bit about
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our story or or if truly there is something that
they you know, need some help with or something you know,
So it's again trying to find out who these people were,
you know, and I truly do believe that that you know,
all of that exists.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Do you have it evil in your opinion? And have
you experienced anything evil on your tours?
Speaker 4 (27:16):
We have, We've experienced evil on our tours. And I
just kind of do a little clearing and I close
everything up and we exit, we leave.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
How do you how do you protect yourself and your
guests and how do you explain it to your guests?
Speaker 4 (27:36):
So I explain it to my guests before we start
that there is a chance that we will experience something
that's not friendly. Pretty much they all have the understanding
of that going into the tour. Once it happens, I
will say a clearing and then just from there we
just leave the spot, and then I will say another
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clearing like before we actually part our ways to go home.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Okay, where did you learn to do the cleansing of
the clearing and how do you do that?
Speaker 4 (28:08):
So I actually learned to. Her name was Heather, and
I worked for her for a very long time. She
owns a great tour company downtown and she's very She's
very knowledgeable about the situation, so she was able to
teach me a lot of things. And yeah, I learned.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Well, we're about ready to take our next break, but
I'd like you to think about this evil angle, because
if we're talking about things on the other side, it
may not always be good. So I'd like to chat
with you and get your feelings and your opinions on that.
In just a second, and folks, we're going to take
another break. Stay with us. I've got Deb and Chrissy
from the Fright Club, So stay with us after this
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break and we get more to talk about and we're
back with Christy and Deb from the Freight Club. Before
we get into this topic of evil and dealing with
evil on the other side, people don't always think about
Saint Augustine. Like I said, it's it's Savannah, it's Salem,
it's New Orleans. How does Saint Augustine compare tour wise
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and uh, activity wise with some of those bigger cities
deb you mentioned you you were up in Salem, for example,
How does compare with the other cities, you know.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
I mean, obviously every city has got their their experiences
or their history as well, so I mean, you know,
not to downplay that other places don't have a lot
of activity. I think it just really comes down to
the depth of the history. Obviously the time frame of
it as well. And you know, there was some pretty
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heavy things that happened here in those early days. I
think you mentioned that early on, you know, I mean
the town basically started with the massacre, So I mean,
you know, when when that happens, it can really pull
from that that you know activity. But also you know,
we have a lot of conduits too. You know, you
have what works around to buy a lot of water,
and we have this material, this coroquina material that it's
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like a limestone, and all of those kind of help
to bring up that activity. So I think a lot
of that definitely, that's a factor for sure.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Oh, I agree, And there's there's no question, Saint Augustine
ranks right up there with the best of them. I
totally agree. But you guys are delving into we all
are delving into an area that we really don't know,
and I think when you really get down to it,
I think you'll agree with me. We really don't know
what this phenomenon is. We really don't know causing it.
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And I really question folks that say, yes, I know
exactly what it is, because we really as humans don't.
But we do run into the evils sometimes. And you
know you mentioned Chrissy about the clearing. What did do
you do anything to protect yourself other than those events
where you have something evil happen.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
So I know a lot of people like believe in
sage and all of that stuff, But I just do
it clearing. Like I'll say a little clearing, and that's.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Pretty much what I mean by clearing. What do you
mean by clearing? What's what's your definition that?
Speaker 4 (31:20):
So I have a little phrase I'll say, and I'll
just like ask the evil to leave in certain things.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Like that, Okay, a prayer basically like.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
A little prayer.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Yeah, okay, Because I know there's a lot of folks
that like to use sage and stuff like that, and
sometimes people really don't know how to use it and
they can almost create I think some some more trouble
than it can help. Have you ever had anybody, I
know people you said people have experienced some things on
the tours, but has anybody ever been adversely affected on
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a tour of yours?
Speaker 4 (31:56):
No. I've had four people guests call me back and say, hey,
remember this little girl on the tour. I think she
followed me home, and I'm like, okay, we'll just ask
her to go back to Saint Augustine. We do a
lot of children, friendly children that seem to follow people
home sometimes.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Is there a lot of children in Saint Augustine? Yes,
in the spirit world world? Okay, what's causing that? Do
you know?
Speaker 4 (32:24):
I think a lot of them we're back from when
the flu was big, or yellow fever and smallpox. A
lot of them are very older children that we come
in contact with.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
It.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Older children is in teenagers type.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
So they're older children as in the time frame.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Gotcha, gotcha? Okay, getting back this evil thing, what do
you think that is? You're delving into it, You've done research,
you've got your your ideas and what this phenomenon is.
What do you think the evils coming from? Is it
from a religion, from what we've learned from our religious studies,
or what is it?
Speaker 4 (33:05):
I mean, honestly, I don't have an answer for that.
On what I think is you have good people, you
have bad people, you have good spirits, you have bad spirits.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Are they always former human spirits or are the spirits
from the human side shall we say, if that makes sense?
Or are they non human in their in their creation?
Any thoughts on that.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
It's really hard to tell.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Mm hmm. I think for the most part, you know,
we we don't purposely go you know, this is again
kind of going back to the types of investigators. You know,
we're purposely trying to to go out there and find
the darkest of the dark, you know either you know
what I mean. So anything we come across it seems
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to be more, you know, from from just knowledge of
what I have where in life is who you are
and in the afterno event, so that Chrisy said, I
think that typically what we come across is just someone
who maybe let it not so great, you know, straight
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and narrow type of life is also then kind of
creating these problems in the aftermath as well. We haven't
really come across anything super super you know, darker evil
as far as you know, talking about non humanity type form.
These are people who cause some trouble when they were
here and are still causing trouble, and we're telling them, hey,
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you need to you know not.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
There's a lot of theories out there that you act
on the other side the way you acted here, So
I can I can kind of appreciate where you're coming from.
So what I'm hearing you say, the way you're looking
at this is this is they've just stepped maybe into
another dimension and that sometimes that veil between the dimensions
gets a little thin, and that's why they're coming back.
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Or are they really going to Heaven? Do you have
any thoughts on that? Or or maybe they're a little
afraid the elevator was going to go down instead, you know.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
Uh So, you know, honestly, I don't know if haven't exists.
I don't know if down there exists, but I do
know that there's souls out there, there's spirits out there.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
M hm. So okay, tell me what is the most
significant event you've had on one of your tours.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
So are we talking good evil?
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Just any one of the above you choose, well, the
one that's the one that really would you think about
all your tours? It's wow. I remember that night something
like that.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
So at the Lightner Museum just recently, there was a death.
One of the construction workers fell from the latter well
that night. I I had no idea any of that happens.
And we were having an investigation there and we seen
the ladder there, which was kind of strange, and some
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of the guests just walked over to the ladder and
they're touching it and talking about it, like why is
it here? And as we're doing the investigation, we get
across the spirit box. We're like, hi, Hi, help and
I'm like, okay, how could we help you? And they
were just saying like they didn't know what was going
on and they were just confused, and so we just
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started talking to them and we asked them like, how
do you die? And they responded with they didn't know
and things like that. It was a male. We were
communicating with the mail and we moved on with our tour,
did our tour whatever. The next day, I'm looking on
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Facebook or whatever, and I see that that morning somebody
had filled off the ladder and passed away. So I
really feel like we were in contact with that person
that night.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Interesting, Now, did you guys record this at all and
like keep it?
Speaker 4 (37:13):
We did not. I wish I would them now, but
we just thought it was a regular tour and investigation.
We had no idea that that had happened that morning.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Now, you mentioned a spirit box For those of my
in my audience that may not know what that is,
can you can you kind of describe what that does
and how it works for you?
Speaker 4 (37:35):
Absolutely? So, a spirit box. It runs off a white
noise basically, and it allows third side to communicate.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
With us, and it uses radio goes through radio.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
Frequencies, radio frequencies.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Yeah, okay, okay, And you got this clearly. There was
no radio stations coming through or anything like that, just
the voice itself.
Speaker 4 (37:58):
It was just the voice itself. It was one of
the most clearest sessions I've ever heard.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Okay, what what other equipment do you use? And what's
your favorite?
Speaker 3 (38:10):
Well read, So the rim podka, the.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Rim pod, and what does the rim pod do?
Speaker 4 (38:18):
So the rim pod is kind of like a EMF reader.
I'd say it is based off the nineteen fourteen musical
instrument called the Theorem to where you actually played that
instrument by touching the antenna, and that's what the spirits
could do. They come along and they come in contact
with the antenna and it can create different sounds. The
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lights will light up around it. I would say that's
probably one of my favorite, okay things to use because
there's no way that's just going off by itself. It
actually has to have that connection there.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
I feel like it's also probably when the easier pieces
of equipment for the spirits to be able to utilize,
because only they have to is have their energy near it.
It's not like they have to do a new thing. Really,
you know that takes a lot. You know, they just
have to go near it.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
So yeah, sure, And what else do you use?
Speaker 4 (39:17):
We use dowsing raws. I have cat balls, I have
stuffed animals. I have cars that the spirits can move.
Most likely the kids. The kids love playing m okay.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Now, for those that are not cat lovers out there,
they hear catballs, can wonder what the heck is that?
What is a catball?
Speaker 4 (39:38):
A catball is a little clear ball that has lights
inside of it, and those lights do not light up
unless you move it, so it says you that cap
all those lights light up.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
So it works in the same concept of the moving
the little toy cars around? Correct, how often do you
actually get something happening on the tour?
Speaker 4 (40:01):
I would say we get something every single time. Now
is it tons of activity all the time? No, a
lot of time. It is based off the energy of
the tour. If we go to the tour with like
believers and people who are really into it, with high energy,
we seem to get more activity versus people who have
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the lower energy.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
Well, let me ask you this question then, and I
don't disagree with you, but you're saying people with more
energy coming in is it that? Obviously you're saying they're
causing it, But why are they causing it? Why is
their energy causing it? Is it? I'll a chance of that,
You're like, so, I.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
Feel the spirits they run off our energy. We have
high energy. They could take that from us and it
allows them to communicate better with us. And they're people
you don't want to be around anybody who's just like, Okay,
I want to be around somebody who's like, yeah, this
is fun. Let's go. I feel the spirits are the
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same way.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
For an example, we did an investigation the other night
using the spear box, and for the most part we
were in a pertect time when there's a lot of
foot traffic. But there were like two or three instances
where a group of people walked by and the activity
on the spear box stopped completely until those people went by,
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and then as soon as they left started up again.
So they felt safe with us, you know, but they
weren't so sure about strangers or outsiders. So I think
it kind of goes in that same realm. If if
somebody's got that real negative type you know thing, then
there the spirits aren't going to react to that so much,
you know, as opposed to and they feel a little
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bit more comfortable with you knowing that everybody's energy is
a little bit higher.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
So I can see it. Is it possible, though, Is
it possible that, uh, you know, we don't know what
our what our brain is capable of. Do you guys
remember a guy named Uri Geller at all used to
bend spoons? Yeah, okay, that's a that's somebody who used
brain power. Is it possible that somebody coming in with
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that type of energy. It may not necessarily be the spirits,
but it's their own energy causing it. Do you think
that's possible.
Speaker 4 (42:25):
It is, It's very possible. Yeah, I believe that.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
Okay, because that's that's once again we don't always know
what's causing all of this, you know. And that's well,
we're about retake our next break. When we come back.
I'd like to little know a little bit more about
your investigative techniques outside of the tours, so uh be
thinking about that, and folks will be back right after
these messages, and so stay tuned. Thank you, welcome back
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for a final segment here. Man, it's gone quickly, but
I do want to mention mention a little few things, folks.
If you're interested in a little about my team, the
Florida Bureau of Paranormal Investigation or Indian River Hauntings, which
is my tour organization, check us out at Indian River
Hauntings dot com. You can also find us on Facebook
at Indian River Hauntings LLC. And if you'd like to
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see some of our investigations and some of the things
that we do, check out our YouTube channel at Indian
River Hauntings two three four one, And I'd be remiss
not to mention the fact that there's some great programming
here on the x Zone Radio and TV Network and
check them out at x x IS and x ra
a ZBN dot net, x x x ZBN dot net,
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x Zone Radio and TV Network for some terrific programming
because it covers all the gambits, all the areas of
the paranormal and the answers really are out there. And ladies,
how can folks find out more about you and your
tours and scheduling an event with you?
Speaker 3 (43:54):
Yeah? So, our website is the Freight Club fl all
the work case together dot com or we're on all
the socials, Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, TikTok. So just look at
the track Club and it'll give you a description of
everything that we have and you can book book on
the website.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
How often do you do tours? All right?
Speaker 4 (44:17):
Did tours every weekend?
Speaker 2 (44:19):
Every weekend? Do people just show up? Or they do
they have to call? First?
Speaker 4 (44:23):
Book online?
Speaker 3 (44:25):
Book online?
Speaker 2 (44:27):
All right? Well, you guys, do these terrific tours. People
are enjoying it. Uh, you're you're in a city where
there's a lot of them. So you need to be
unique for it to be successful, I'm sure. But you
also investigate, and I'd like to talk to you a
little bit about that and learn about how you're how
you're finding information for the stories that you tell on
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your tours. So do you do investigations outside of the tours?
Speaker 4 (44:52):
We do, absolutely, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
Tell me a little bit about that. How do you
how do you find the spot? Do you go to
the same spot all the time, What are your protocols?
How do you investigate?
Speaker 4 (45:05):
So as of right now, our Hide and Seek investigation,
we're small. We are looking for people to join our
team in the area. We pick different locations first, whether
it's inside outside. We do a lot of outside investigations
as well. We do a lot of house investigations. People
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will call it will go out and investigate the house.
Also social media, we'll find spots that a lot of
investigators have gone to and love and we'll go out
there and see what we come up with.
Speaker 3 (45:41):
Yeah, we do have our and we have some regular
process that we'll go back to multiple times only because
we typically will get you know, some activity each time,
So we kind of have our friends as far as
that goes. But then trying to also just step outside
the box and find some other places. You know, like
she said, we either have heard from someone else, hey,
you gotta check the spot out, or have been asked
to go to a certain spot, or maybe it's just hey,
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like something happened over here, let's go over here and
let's try it out. So sometimes it's just missed too.
You just never know what you're in there.
Speaker 4 (46:12):
I feel we have a strong connection with some of
the spirits downtown, and we do have a certain spot
that maybe once a week go out there and we'll investigate,
and you know, sometimes spirits will say, bring me a cigar,
we'll go get get to them, you know.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
Well, you know, and I think that going back to
places numerous times is you're never going to get everything
with just one visit. So I totally agree with that.
You mentioned residentials always a little frightened of that, not
because of the spirits, but because of the implications. What's
your most common call that you get from a resident?
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What is their issue and what do they want you
to do?
Speaker 4 (46:54):
So a lot of times our residential calls are from
people we know or people who know those people, and
they're just curious. Nothing's bad's happened in the house. They're
just curious, like they might have seen the shadow or
they might have heard something in the house. And we'll
just go out there and set up our equipment and
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see what we come up with.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
You have a protocol that you use to get your
investigations going, and do you keep the evidence that you
get and what do you do with that evidence?
Speaker 4 (47:28):
So, yes, we do have a protocol. Wherever we go,
we will always introduce ourselves. That's my main thing is
introduce yourself. You are going into their spot, their home,
their comfort zone, and you're a stranger to that spirit,
so introduce yourself. We'll introduce ourselves. We'll say our little like,
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we don't mean any harm. We're just here to communicate
and we will try to make the spirits feel comfortable
before we set up any of the equipment. And then
once we set up the equipment, we will explain to
the spirits what the equipment is, how it works, and
how they could communicate with us, and how it's not
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going to harm them. We don't provoke at all, and
we want the spirits to feel comfortable and we want
them to know that we're not there to harm them.
We're just there to hear their story.
Speaker 3 (48:18):
Showing that respect right off the start, you know, and
kind of including them in on it, if you will.
Instead of hey, you know, we needed to show up,
it's more like, hey, we're here, you know, just chat,
just want to who you are and try and create
a little comfortable environment.
Speaker 4 (48:36):
And we do certain things like if we're asking the
spirit to touch the root pod, we're going to say, hey,
look we're touching the room. We're going to do what
we ask the spirits to do. And we just try
to get like we are a family and friends with
the spirits versus just trying to be like, hey touch
the room pot, Hey do this? Do that.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
I think that doing this what we all do is
almost making them like circus animals.
Speaker 4 (49:04):
Yeah, that's why we try to keep it versus like friends,
like we're friends, versus just telling them hey do this,
say that, do that? Like we try to keep it
as if we're communicating with friends, like hey, you want
to play this game, look what I could do with
the rempot or you know, hey, you guys want to
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run in place with me? We will play like little
silly games like that so they don't feel like that
zoo animal or circus animal.
Speaker 2 (49:34):
Yeah. Do you ever do you ever stop to think
maybe that they're actually investigating.
Speaker 4 (49:38):
Us, Yes, all the time.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
Maybe they're on the other side with their own equipment saying, oh.
Speaker 4 (49:44):
Listen, I have a meme on my Facebook like that. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (49:49):
It's basically like you know, like we're all here telling
stories and they're over there going we never said that,
you know, I did that.
Speaker 2 (50:00):
What what do you tell the client the person's asked
you to come and find out what's going on? How
do you conclude it? And what do you do with
the evidence that you've collected? Well, yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (50:18):
A lot of times we just hand all the evidence
over to them, whether it's the recordings of videos, everything, photos,
we just handled over to them, and when we end it,
like we'll do the whole we'll end it with like
a little clearance and everything, and we just explain to
them like what happened, what was going on, and just
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keep everything as real as possible.
Speaker 2 (50:43):
Does anybody ever ask you to remove what's what they
think is there?
Speaker 3 (50:47):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (50:47):
No, We've never come across anything evil in someone's home, luckily.
Speaker 2 (50:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (50:53):
Usually it's just again like she said, it's more curiosity
it's like, hey, we're just kind of curious you know this,
You know these things happen, orn't to just uh, you know,
make it so that they're not like, is this really happening?
Speaker 2 (51:06):
Real?
Speaker 4 (51:06):
And what kind of Yeah.
Speaker 2 (51:14):
Have you ever considered taking the evidence that you that
you've gained and keeping it all so, I mean obviously
turning it over to the client or the person that's
asking there, but ever keeping it use it to compare
other investigations to see if maybe there's similarities. Maybe at
a particular time, moon phase or whatever, you're getting more activity.
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Have you ever considered that at all?
Speaker 3 (51:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (51:37):
I have a little notebook that I write everything down in. Okay,
I keep track of a lot of stuff.
Speaker 2 (51:43):
How often have you ever gotten a person in one
spot and they've popped up in another. Has that ever happened? Yes, Okay,
give me an example, Give me an example of that.
Speaker 4 (51:54):
So I do have a spirit friend downtown and we
will contact him at the well and then all of
a sudden, they're at the four And even when we
do sing honeste Lighthouse Park, boom, he's right there. And
I'm like, Okay. There's been times where I've been out
of town, and I hear like he talks a certain
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way or whatever, and I hear certain words that he says,
and I'm like, hey, is that you? And you'll answer
He'll like, yep, it's me high.
Speaker 2 (52:24):
When you're out of town. Does that Does that concern
you at all that he has attached himself to you?
Speaker 4 (52:30):
Concern No? Yeah, it's a very friendly spirit. I do
feel I do have a few spirits that are attached
to me.
Speaker 2 (52:39):
Okay, and you're you're not concerned about that at all? No, Okay,
you mentioned that the Lighthouse Park definitely an interesting spot.
Speaker 3 (52:50):
There's no no.
Speaker 2 (52:51):
Question about that. So in our last couple of minutes together,
I'd like to know where the freight club is headed.
What do you see as far as the future. I'd
also like to know what you think we can do
to combat people just doing this for a buck and
not taking it seriously and just regurgitating old stories. Tell
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me about your future. Where are you going? How do
we combat folks that are frauds?
Speaker 4 (53:19):
I don't know that.
Speaker 3 (53:20):
I don't know that we can. I mean, I don't
know that they're an answer other than you know. Again,
our ultimate goal is to is to have people want
to come out with us and not only go on
the tours themselves, but to really build more on this
investigation side and have people be able to experience that
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in real time, but showing it that respect that it
deserves as opposed to these other places. And I think
that we'll find some people. I mean, we both have
done you know, other tours with other companies in the
past where we were reading from the script and you
do get those people occasion where they're like, wait a second,
we didn't know we were just going to hear stories.
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With that, we're actually going to learn something about the
you know, paranormal. So we're going to really capture more
of those types of people who are really truly interested
in also being respectful in attending these investigations and learning
about the history and learning about the people that we
might reach through those investigations. And so that's that's really
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ultimately kind of the goaling for us on that end
of it. And as far as combating what's already out there,
I don't think we can stop what's already out there,
but trying to stand out and being those other people
like that and trying to get people to come out
with us on that on the side of it.
Speaker 4 (54:40):
Yeah, And I feel like one of our goals is
we want to teach people that you don't have to
provoke the spirits to communicate with them.
Speaker 2 (54:48):
Agree.
Speaker 4 (54:49):
We see that a lot on these TV shows and
just things like that's where they're provoking the spirits. They're
being mean to the spirits, they're yelling at the spirits.
We just want to educate people that you don't have
to do that. You can say, Hi, how are you?
How are they? You know?
Speaker 2 (55:07):
How do you think the other side reacts to that provoking?
I sometimes think they just turn and walk away.
Speaker 4 (55:13):
I think so, Yeah, I feel like there's some spirits
that just turn and walk away, and then I feel
like there's other spirits that are like, hey, who are
you talking to like that? Like why are you talking
to me like that?
Speaker 3 (55:23):
Or like you said, you know, the circus animal type style.
I think that it's you're not going to get you know,
the people that are looking for results in a way,
And that's the other side of it is again. You know,
when we started, it's like, hey, we don't make any
promises because we're not going for that. And I think
sometimes you're you're not going to get the results that
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you're looking for by having those different approaches. Like she said,
these were people. If you just approach it as if
they're people, then you're going to get You're going to
get a lot better results.
Speaker 2 (55:55):
So you're a small team, you're looking for other folks.
Can they get a hold of you at your way
side if they're interested in connecting with you maybe to
investigate what with that? If you want to grow, Where
do you see yourself in five years? Where do you
see the Fright Club?
Speaker 3 (56:12):
I mean, ultimately, my gosh, I'm not even sure. I
mean we would like to hopefully, you know, have some
presidents in town as far as I can storefront things
like that, just from that exposure to be able to
offer some additional things on that end of it. But yeah,
just building the team as an investigation team and being
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being a team that people want to go and do investigations.
Speaker 2 (56:36):
Well, I really appreciate you joining us to night. We
are out of time. You guys have been terrific. Fight
anybody to go check out the Fright Club in Saint Augustine,
Florida a great city to learn history and paranormal investigative ways.
So I thank you. Folks for being with me tonight. Folks,
I thank you for being here with me tonight. Please
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check out my website, my YouTube Channe and check out
the great programming here on XCBN dot net. And until
next time, thank you for joining me, but see you
on the other side. Have a great night, folks,
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Speaker 2 (01:21):
Lawson, and good evening everyone. Welcome back to Paranormal Steakout.
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I'm your host, Larry Lawson, coming to you from beautiful
Vera Beach, Florida, the southern command post of the XI
and Radio and Broadcast Network. And all's well down here.
We're getting ready to enjoy our Thanksgiving season down here
in the down in the States. I hope wishing everybody
out there holidays. I hope that your weather's fine. We
have a wonderful holiday. Tonight's I got a couple of
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guests that I'm really really excited about. You know, folks
don't realize that Florida it's a new state. I talk
about this quite often on my events and whatnot when
I'm talking to people. It's a new state. But in
this new state of ours, we have the oldest city
in the nation. Yes, Saint Augustine, Florida. A lot of
times Saint Augustine gets lost with all the bigger names
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and paranormal tours such as Charlotte and Savannah, New Orleans.
But Saint Augustine has a very very interesting pass and
tonight We've got some folks from the Freight Club in
Saint Augustine, Florida. We've got Debbie Seekings and Christy Patrick,
their licensed professional tour guides and paranormal investigators in the
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good old Saint Augustine, and there are combined skills. They
have created a group called the Freight Club, and we're
going to ask them exactly what that stands for in
just a second. They do both tours and paranormal investigations,
and they seek to help people understand and learn the
history of beautiful Saint Augustine, Florida. So with that, I'd
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like to introduce my guests, deb Seekings and Chrissy Patrick.
Welcome to the show, ladies.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Thank you doing, Thank you good.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
So Freight Club, what is That's a cool looking acronym
for what you do? What does it stand for?
Speaker 3 (03:28):
So it stands for Florida Research investigations, ghosts history tours.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Interesting, So research is an important part of what you do.
Absolutely excellent, excellent. Well I'd like to hear from both
of you. How did you get into the field, What
brought you into this whole world? If we if I may.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Good scrip first, Okay, So basically I was born and
raised around this. My mother was into it, my grandmother
was into it. I just thought it was normal until
I got into about middle school and I started talking
about ghosts and paranormal things, and everybody just kind of
looked at me like I was crazy, and I was like, oh, okay,
not everybody believes this.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Well, Chrissy, when you say your grandmother and your mother
were into it, does that mean they were just interested
in studying it or searching it or did they have
other abilities that kind of set them on the track.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
So as far as abilities, they did, like feel things
they were able to feel like if the spirit was
near them or things like that, and they always talk
about it. They were always open with us and they're
just like, oh, well, this spirit's here with us now,
or hey, we have this spirit in this house.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
And in depth.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Mine's not quite as exciting. I mean, mine actually started
up more as a just an exploration in general, a
lever of history. So I'm actually thought i'd be an
archaeologist at one point. But when the TV show started
Ghost Uners, for example, and I was watching those and
I was like, Okay, that's kind of neat, and I
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just started to kind of grow in that interest in
combining my love of history with also the paranormal and
more so just trying to, you know, learn about the people.
You know, I'm always I've always been really interested in
the past and just learning about the people that were
here before us and getting into the paranormal side of it.
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Was a good connection to be able to do that.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
So how long have you been both of you? How
long have you been actually physically investigating?
Speaker 4 (05:40):
So I've been physically investigating, I would say, here in
Saint Augustine for about six seven years.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Okay, are you from Saint Augustine originally?
Speaker 4 (05:50):
I am not. I'm originally from Miami. I moved up
here about fifteen years ago.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Oh you're a Floridian. That's so unusual. So many of
us came from another place in Debt.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
So I'm newer on the investigation side of it. Just
been Withsy probably from the last maybe three years or so.
And uh, you know, just before that, just judgmental exploration
things like that.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
So you've got this group called the Freight Club. What
does it do? And I understand that actually your investigative
side is called hide and seek, pure normal investigations. Is
that correct?
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:26):
When did the start? When did the start?
Speaker 3 (06:28):
So we we both we met actually as licensed to
our guys here in town in Saint Augustine, and and
Christy had started the historic contract tours, doing the groose
tours around town, the walking tours around town, and was
also doing the investigations and also wanting to get to
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get a little bit more into it myself. We chatted
and we were like, you know, let's let's merge together
and let's see what we can't come up with. And
the Freight Club itself. So I had had had a
group in Michigan that's where I'm from, called the Screen Team,
and I was like, okay, I can take an acronym
and turn it into a Florida And we came up
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with the Freight Club and it features both the historic
card tours for the walking tours, but then also we
want to focus a little more heavy and get more
into the investigations. And then that's where in the Hide
and Seek Them Investigation Center.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
And I want to talk a little bit more and
a bit about your investigations. But this the tour ism
end of it, has made a little interested right now
you talk about being licensed tour guides in Saint Augustine,
Now there's no question you go to New Orleans, Charlotte, Savannah,
places like that have been known for a long time. Salem,
Massachusetts to have a thriving industry in the paranormal ghost
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tours if you will, What does it take to become
a licensed paranormal tour guide in Saint Augustine.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
So it's a fifty question and test, and it's all
about the history of Saint Augustine's streets on Saint Augustine,
people who are like people who discovered Saint Augustine, who
played a big part in Saint Augustine.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
And do you have to have any paranormal background or
is this just for tourism in general?
Speaker 4 (08:22):
Correct to wars in general?
Speaker 2 (08:25):
How big is the industry there? How many? How many
different tours are there in Saint Augustine.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Yeah, I'll tell you what. It seems like every weekend
there it just grows because at this point, you know,
they've changed a little bit in their rules and regulations,
if you will, as far as the licensed decide of it.
And it seems like any buddy can buy a golf
cart or just go walking around and take a group around.
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The difference with that is is that they're they're pulling
from story after story after story if it's built from
store and you know, what we're trying to do to
set it apart is learning the real stories and the
real history and doing that research and doing that background.
And I'm not doing it more not doing it for
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the entertainment factor, which is mostly what these other tours
are for. It's more for the entertainment factor. We're trying
to bring it more to a real life, like an.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Education, educating out what Augustine is all about.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Okay, so you're doing the research, but what what type
of research are you doing because sometimes history, let's face,
I'm sure you run into this history is in the
eyes of the beholder who told the story first. How
are you getting to the real root of the history
of Saint Augustine, Because I don't people don't really realize
how important that city was and the different things that
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happened there with the different French and the English and
coming through it. It's just a tremendous history. What are
you doing to make a difference, make it different? I
should say.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
So, we do have a library here in Saint Augustine
that holds all of the like archives and official records,
and we spend a lot of time there researching things
and just trying to find old newspaper articles and anything
that has to do with facts of Saint Augustine. As
far as the paranormal and the hauntings are, we actually
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say everything that we've encountered, or like one of our
guests have encountered versus the same Saint Augustine legend.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Okay, what's what's kind of off the off track here
a little bit, But what's the most haunted spot in
Saint Augustine? I have my opinion, I'd like to hear
it from the two professionals there.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
That's a good question. As far as my experience, I
would say the Jimenez Fatio House and then the a dl.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
S.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Those two are probably the most spots that I've got
the most activity at and seeing things.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Now, how much of the city is old, I mean
most of those early cities are very very small. But
how far does your tour reach and where are where
are all these places? In relation to walking distance?
Speaker 4 (11:25):
So my tour is about a mile and a half
and it's a ninety minute tour and we go to
the south side of Saint Augustine. So most of the
tours go north side, which is by the fort and
the Brickyards. Mine will go south side, over by the well,
the Menace House and the Father o'riley's house.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
That's interesting because so much of it does go to
the north. Why do you choose the south? Isn't what's
you're losing.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
I chose the south because it's different. There's not a
lot of tours that go there. So when we are
doing our investigation tour, we seem to get a lot
more activity down there. A lot of people don't even
know about the south side. They don't know about Palm
Street or anything like that, and I just kind of
want to educate everybody that there's more to Saint Augustine
than just the floor and the cemeteries over on that side.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
I'll be honest with you, I've got to throw this in.
The lighthouse is my spot.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
The lighthouse. I worked at the lighthouse for a year recently,
just stopped in May to create my own company and
to run my own company.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
You're not wrong, that's the light. The lighthouse is what
actually set me on my journey. To be honest with you,
but that's a story for a different day. Why are
you doing it? I mean you're talking about wanting to
share the history, but what is your true goal of
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taking people on these tours? Is it? I mean I
assume this is what you do for a living, yes, okay,
but is it a passion or And you mentioned something
early about things get very commercialized there and people just
come in. Why are you different? How are you different
than somebody that just wants to make a buck and
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you're gonna you're gonna do it, You're gonna do what
it takes to make people happy. How are you different
than that? Right?
Speaker 4 (13:24):
So, One, I am very passionate about it. Two, I
won't lie. It's all the research I've done and everything,
and people ask me questions and I will answer them honestly.
Whether they like that answer or not, I'm going to
give it to them. I like educating people, okay, I
like them to know the truth because Saint Honesty's so
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much more than just ghosts or history. And I think
that's our main goal is to just educate people.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
That.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Yeah, I mean, like I said, you know, trying to
step away from the entertainment factor of it that everybody
else kind of tells the same stories, they go to
the same places, which is again another reason why we
went to the other side of town, you know, to
see more of what there is in Saint Augustine. You know,
like you said, it's a town that it has a deep,
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deep history, but people only know bits and pieces of it.
And by exploring into different parts of town and trying
to explore into different stories and find out these and
like you said, you know what, the research is only
as good as whatever you find in print or when
you talk to people.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
And we got to cut you off here because we're
about ready to take our first break. But when we
get back, I want to talk to you about the
commercialization of the paranormal field and get your thoughts on that.
So folks will be right back after these messages and
we are back Saint Augustine. Beautiful cities. I said that
I mentioned four of being a new state. We even
become a territory of the US tol eighteen twenty, I
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think eighteen forty five when we became a state. So
we are new compared to a lot of different states,
and yet we had this beautiful old city. We talked
about this a little bit. What's the tour environment like
in Saint I don't want to put you on the spot.
But is it really competitive between the different groups.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Yes, yeah, i'd say I mean the majority are the tours.
As far as stories, they go around and tell you stories,
whether it's history related or you know, paranormal related. And
you know, what we're trying to do to stand out
from that is by doing more of the investigation side
of it, which is a little bit not quite as
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prominent here.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
What do you mean what do you mean by that?
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Well, just as far as the commercialization of it, there's
not a lot that go around and do the actual
paranimal investigations. Most of them will just walk you around
to the it's the same spots and I'll just tell
you these stories that are kind of.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Off the screw time.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Okay, So you're saying you do what you're doing investigations.
Are you doing the investigations on the tours. Do you
have other events that allow your guests to investigate, or
are you taking the results of your investigations and adding
them into the tour.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
So I do take the equipment with us and we
stop at different locations and we do actually investigate.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Okay, Okay, what do you do? What kind of equipment
do you bring with you.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
So I have the dowsing rod, rim pod, spirit box,
I have the EMF readers, I have cat balls.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
So you bring a whole lot of things happen. How
often how long do you stay in at a spot?
I mean how much time do you give your guests?
Speaker 4 (16:52):
So it all depends. If we are getting really active,
good activity, we will say that longer. If there's not
so much activity, then we will move on to the
next spot on the two hours. If where you get
good results, we're staying older. There's no real time limit
on the tour.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Okay, okay, how about how big are your tours? How
do you have a limit that you can take.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
For the investigation? And we do thirteen people. I try
to keep it small and personal.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Thirteen Does that number just out of a coincidence or.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
Well, pretty much?
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Uh So, this whole field is getting commercialized. I do
tours too. I get it. I understand what it means
to have the passion to do it. But I'm a
little concerned. I'm a little concerned that the whole field
is getting a little too too commercialized. Seeing a lot
of places that are put our facilities that are being
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bought and then advertised strictly for this. Do you think
the field is getting too commercialized and it hurting the
actual research into the field. Your opinions on that.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
So my opinion is, yes, it's getting very commercialized and
which allows a lot of the fake people to come
in with all their lives and everything else. But at
the same time, it's such an amazing field that why
wouldn't you want to share it? You know, like and yeah,
people are buying houses. Same here in Saint Augustine. They're
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buying houses and opening up for paranormal tools or paranormal investigations,
and a lot of them have no idea what they're doing.
So with that being said, like they could call on
the wrong spirits and with them not knowing what they're
doing could end up harming them as well.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Okay, you say they don't know what they're doing. Are
they untrained?
Speaker 4 (18:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (18:56):
I think a lot of it is, you know, with
the you know, all the shows that started to pop
up and everybody would go out, you know, and a
lot of times they kind of have that, hey, we're
going to be like the Londland TV and we're going
to do this, and so they go into it without
the true knowledge behind it, and you find a lot
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of times where you have the folks that think that,
you know, if they go in and they yell and
scream and antagonize that they're going to you know, draw up,
you know, because they're trying to you know, we're you know,
we try and let people know listen, it's not like
it's not like they're on cult. It's not like, you know,
we could have where nothing happens and that's okay, and
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make them understand that. So you have a lot of
people sometimes where they're like, well, you know, we brought
people in, so we got to make sure that this happens,
and they try and do whatever they can to make
it happen, and they're not respecting and you know, following
those proper guidelines. And that's where we're trying to do
it a little different where we're respectful of whoever you
know it that we're going to make any if we're
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going to make any contact with, trying to do it
more on a respectful side as as opposed to, hey,
we just want you guys to book and make some money.
That's that's not you know, we want to do it
so because so you can have an authentic experience and
learn a little bit about the true history and about
the people that were here.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Well, going back to what I asked you before, how
you're different. How do you view your training, your preparation,
your your background different from these other groups that make
sure story is more truthful, more verifiable. What what do
you guys do that are different? As far as you're training,
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have you or what have you done? I should so
as far as.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
Training and research, a lot of it here in Saint
Augustine is just like he says, she said, and like
passed down. You know, like I mentioned earlier, I will
go to the library, I will get into the archives.
I will find records and all kinds of whether it's
like genealogy or something to do with whoever lived in
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that spot, whatever happened in that spot versus just our
Saint Augustine legends. Another factor I have going for me
is that I was raised around this. I know what
I'm looking for. I know how to communicate. I know
when something's starting to go back and we need to
remove ourselves from the area.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Okay, well, that's that's good. A lot of folks don't
understand that. Now you've you've grew up in it. Deb
you didn't, right, So how have you been able to
acclimate yourself to the field and and understanding what it
what it is you're doing and trying to do rather
than just making a buck because it's obvious you're trying
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very hard to share the history.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Yeah, I think that what it comes down to for
me is more just the passion of it and you know,
wanting to just learn and continue really learn. And whether
that's from doing the research or you know, going out
with Chrissy and you know learning you know, to learn
the equipment and how it works and things like that
is kind of another side piece of it. But you know,
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learning how to to truly be able to communicate. And
it really is just that passion that comes down to,
you know, having that feel for it. I mean, you know,
as corny as this may sound, I mean, you know
things that I used to do in the past. You know,
I'm one of those that makes when I make a vacation,
it's to a place where something happened at some point
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in time. But put myself in the space and and
think of the sounds and the smells and the sights
of what it was while that event was happening in
those times. So I think that I pull all of
that into that and it's like, Okay, I really truly,
I just really want to know. And so you know,
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my training of it is just going out and do
it more and more and more, but having that passion
behind it as well.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Understood that. And you you've not had any Have you
had actual experience yet? Deb Uh?
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Yeah, I've had a couple back in the past, just
some places that have been and things that have done.
As far as camera footage, probably my footage quite a
few years ago in Salem, Massachusetts. And I've had a
couple of experiences where I've been touched, once in a
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place in Detroit and once in a place in Tennessee.
And then probably my best footage as far as camera
here full apparition of a soldier at the fort. And
I'm telling you, I'm proud of that.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
I would like to see that one. Yes, I know
there was one group that I won't name that I
know went to the fort. I know because I tried
to spring a group there and they wouldn't let us send.
This is a few years ago because they trashed the
place and showed just total disrespect and they wouldn't let
anybody back in there. You probably know who I'm talking about.
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So the for it's an interesting spot. I'd love to
see that picture sometime, by the way. Yeah, so you
were an adult when you had your first experience. It's
the same thing with me. I didn't have any experience
as a child. It was as an adult. But what
was your How old were you in your first experience, Chrissy,
how old were you when you first experienced them?
Speaker 4 (24:28):
So as far as like actually seeing an operation, I mean,
I've seen like shadows or like things just being moved
on the table growing up. But my grandmother lived in
Saint Bernardo, Ohio, and the house was one hundred and
fifty years old, and it was the first house built there,
and it was a farming house. And I was about
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twelve or thirteen, and I walked down to the basement
and I saw a man standing there. He had overalls on,
a hat on. And I ran right back upstairs and
I'm like, Mom, there's a man in the basement. And
she's like, no, there's not, like there is And then
she goes down there and she looks around and there's
no man in there. She checked the doors, everything was locked,
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and I described who I saw to her because my
mom also grew up in that house, and she goes, oh, well,
that was one of the farmers you saw, And I
was like, oh, we just kind of named some farmer John.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Okay, So what do you think this? We've got a
few minutes before next break. I'd like to start heading
down this road. What do you think this is? What
do you think this phenomenon is? Is it truly somebody
reaching out from the other side? What do you think
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it is?
Speaker 3 (25:49):
So?
Speaker 4 (25:49):
I do believe that it's after life and somebody is
reaching out to us, whether it's just to say hi,
to communicate, or whether it's to say, hey, can you
help meet with something we do need help. I do
believe in spirits and ghosts and that we all have.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Okay, yep, yeah, I mean I experienced a lot of
loss as a younger person, and it's not like I
did this because of that. But it also what it
did is it solidified just the belief of the other planes.
And I had someone describe it really really well to
me one time. She's a medium, and you know, she
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explained it really well that there's just this this this
like clear wall and they're right on the other side
of the wall, and so it it it kind of
just makes you feel like, yes, they're they're all still
right here with us. And like Christy said, sometimes it's hey,
we just wanted to let you know, like we were
here and you know, then maybe a little bit about
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our story or or if truly there is something that
they you know, need some help with or something you know,
So it's again trying to find out who these people were,
you know, and I truly do believe that that you know,
all of that exists.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Do you have it evil in your opinion? And have
you experienced anything evil on your tours?
Speaker 4 (27:16):
We have, We've experienced evil on our tours. And I
just kind of do a little clearing and I close
everything up and we exit, we leave.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
How do you how do you protect yourself and your
guests and how do you explain it to your guests?
Speaker 4 (27:36):
So I explain it to my guests before we start
that there is a chance that we will experience something
that's not friendly. Pretty much they all have the understanding
of that going into the tour. Once it happens, I
will say a clearing and then just from there we
just leave the spot, and then I will say another
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clearing like before we actually part our ways to go home.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Okay, where did you learn to do the cleansing of
the clearing and how do you do that?
Speaker 4 (28:08):
So I actually learned to. Her name was Heather, and
I worked for her for a very long time. She
owns a great tour company downtown and she's very She's
very knowledgeable about the situation, so she was able to
teach me a lot of things. And yeah, I learned.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Well, we're about ready to take our next break, but
I'd like you to think about this evil angle, because
if we're talking about things on the other side, it
may not always be good. So I'd like to chat
with you and get your feelings and your opinions on that.
In just a second, and folks, we're going to take
another break. Stay with us. I've got Deb and Chrissy
from the Fright Club, So stay with us after this
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break and we get more to talk about and we're
back with Christy and Deb from the Freight Club. Before
we get into this topic of evil and dealing with
evil on the other side, people don't always think about
Saint Augustine. Like I said, it's it's Savannah, it's Salem,
it's New Orleans. How does Saint Augustine compare tour wise
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and uh, activity wise with some of those bigger cities
deb you mentioned you you were up in Salem, for example,
How does compare with the other cities, you know.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
I mean, obviously every city has got their their experiences
or their history as well, so I mean, you know,
not to downplay that other places don't have a lot
of activity. I think it just really comes down to
the depth of the history. Obviously the time frame of
it as well. And you know, there was some pretty
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heavy things that happened here in those early days. I
think you mentioned that early on, you know, I mean
the town basically started with the massacre, So I mean,
you know, when when that happens, it can really pull
from that that you know activity. But also you know,
we have a lot of conduits too. You know, you
have what works around to buy a lot of water,
and we have this material, this coroquina material that it's
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like a limestone, and all of those kind of help
to bring up that activity. So I think a lot
of that definitely, that's a factor for sure.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Oh, I agree, And there's there's no question, Saint Augustine
ranks right up there with the best of them. I
totally agree. But you guys are delving into we all
are delving into an area that we really don't know,
and I think when you really get down to it,
I think you'll agree with me. We really don't know
what this phenomenon is. We really don't know causing it.
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And I really question folks that say, yes, I know
exactly what it is, because we really as humans don't.
But we do run into the evils sometimes. And you
know you mentioned Chrissy about the clearing. What did do
you do anything to protect yourself other than those events
where you have something evil happen.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
So I know a lot of people like believe in
sage and all of that stuff, But I just do
it clearing. Like I'll say a little clearing, and that's.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Pretty much what I mean by clearing. What do you
mean by clearing? What's what's your definition that?
Speaker 4 (31:20):
So I have a little phrase I'll say, and I'll
just like ask the evil to leave in certain things.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Like that, Okay, a prayer basically like.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
A little prayer.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Yeah, okay, Because I know there's a lot of folks
that like to use sage and stuff like that, and
sometimes people really don't know how to use it and
they can almost create I think some some more trouble
than it can help. Have you ever had anybody, I
know people you said people have experienced some things on
the tours, but has anybody ever been adversely affected on
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a tour of yours?
Speaker 4 (31:56):
No. I've had four people guests call me back and say, hey,
remember this little girl on the tour. I think she
followed me home, and I'm like, okay, we'll just ask
her to go back to Saint Augustine. We do a
lot of children, friendly children that seem to follow people
home sometimes.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Is there a lot of children in Saint Augustine? Yes,
in the spirit world world? Okay, what's causing that? Do
you know?
Speaker 4 (32:24):
I think a lot of them we're back from when
the flu was big, or yellow fever and smallpox. A
lot of them are very older children that we come
in contact with.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
It.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Older children is in teenagers type.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
So they're older children as in the time frame.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Gotcha, gotcha? Okay, getting back this evil thing, what do
you think that is? You're delving into it, You've done research,
you've got your your ideas and what this phenomenon is.
What do you think the evils coming from? Is it
from a religion, from what we've learned from our religious studies,
or what is it?
Speaker 4 (33:05):
I mean, honestly, I don't have an answer for that.
On what I think is you have good people, you
have bad people, you have good spirits, you have bad spirits.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Are they always former human spirits or are the spirits
from the human side shall we say, if that makes sense?
Or are they non human in their in their creation?
Any thoughts on that.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
It's really hard to tell.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Mm hmm. I think for the most part, you know,
we we don't purposely go you know, this is again
kind of going back to the types of investigators. You know,
we're purposely trying to to go out there and find
the darkest of the dark, you know either you know
what I mean. So anything we come across it seems
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to be more, you know, from from just knowledge of
what I have where in life is who you are
and in the afterno event, so that Chrisy said, I
think that typically what we come across is just someone
who maybe let it not so great, you know, straight
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and narrow type of life is also then kind of
creating these problems in the aftermath as well. We haven't
really come across anything super super you know, darker evil
as far as you know, talking about non humanity type form.
These are people who cause some trouble when they were
here and are still causing trouble, and we're telling them, hey,
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you need to you know not.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
There's a lot of theories out there that you act
on the other side the way you acted here, So
I can I can kind of appreciate where you're coming from.
So what I'm hearing you say, the way you're looking
at this is this is they've just stepped maybe into
another dimension and that sometimes that veil between the dimensions
gets a little thin, and that's why they're coming back.
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Or are they really going to Heaven? Do you have
any thoughts on that? Or or maybe they're a little
afraid the elevator was going to go down instead, you know.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
Uh So, you know, honestly, I don't know if haven't exists.
I don't know if down there exists, but I do
know that there's souls out there, there's spirits out there.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
M hm. So okay, tell me what is the most
significant event you've had on one of your tours.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
So are we talking good evil?
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Just any one of the above you choose, well, the
one that's the one that really would you think about
all your tours? It's wow. I remember that night something
like that.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
So at the Lightner Museum just recently, there was a death.
One of the construction workers fell from the latter well
that night. I I had no idea any of that happens.
And we were having an investigation there and we seen
the ladder there, which was kind of strange, and some
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of the guests just walked over to the ladder and
they're touching it and talking about it, like why is
it here? And as we're doing the investigation, we get
across the spirit box. We're like, hi, Hi, help and
I'm like, okay, how could we help you? And they
were just saying like they didn't know what was going
on and they were just confused, and so we just
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started talking to them and we asked them like, how
do you die? And they responded with they didn't know
and things like that. It was a male. We were
communicating with the mail and we moved on with our tour,
did our tour whatever. The next day, I'm looking on
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Facebook or whatever, and I see that that morning somebody
had filled off the ladder and passed away. So I
really feel like we were in contact with that person
that night.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Interesting, Now, did you guys record this at all and
like keep it?
Speaker 4 (37:13):
We did not. I wish I would them now, but
we just thought it was a regular tour and investigation.
We had no idea that that had happened that morning.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Now, you mentioned a spirit box For those of my
in my audience that may not know what that is,
can you can you kind of describe what that does
and how it works for you?
Speaker 4 (37:35):
Absolutely? So, a spirit box. It runs off a white
noise basically, and it allows third side to communicate.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
With us, and it uses radio goes through radio.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
Frequencies, radio frequencies.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Yeah, okay, okay, And you got this clearly. There was
no radio stations coming through or anything like that, just
the voice itself.
Speaker 4 (37:58):
It was just the voice itself. It was one of
the most clearest sessions I've ever heard.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Okay, what what other equipment do you use? And what's
your favorite?
Speaker 3 (38:10):
Well read, So the rim podka, the.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Rim pod, and what does the rim pod do?
Speaker 4 (38:18):
So the rim pod is kind of like a EMF reader.
I'd say it is based off the nineteen fourteen musical
instrument called the Theorem to where you actually played that
instrument by touching the antenna, and that's what the spirits
could do. They come along and they come in contact
with the antenna and it can create different sounds. The
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lights will light up around it. I would say that's
probably one of my favorite, okay things to use because
there's no way that's just going off by itself. It
actually has to have that connection there.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
I feel like it's also probably when the easier pieces
of equipment for the spirits to be able to utilize,
because only they have to is have their energy near it.
It's not like they have to do a new thing. Really,
you know that takes a lot. You know, they just
have to go near it.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
So yeah, sure, And what else do you use?
Speaker 4 (39:17):
We use dowsing raws. I have cat balls, I have
stuffed animals. I have cars that the spirits can move.
Most likely the kids. The kids love playing m okay.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Now, for those that are not cat lovers out there,
they hear catballs, can wonder what the heck is that?
What is a catball?
Speaker 4 (39:38):
A catball is a little clear ball that has lights
inside of it, and those lights do not light up
unless you move it, so it says you that cap
all those lights light up.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
So it works in the same concept of the moving
the little toy cars around? Correct, how often do you
actually get something happening on the tour?
Speaker 4 (40:01):
I would say we get something every single time. Now
is it tons of activity all the time? No, a
lot of time. It is based off the energy of
the tour. If we go to the tour with like
believers and people who are really into it, with high energy,
we seem to get more activity versus people who have
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the lower energy.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
Well, let me ask you this question then, and I
don't disagree with you, but you're saying people with more
energy coming in is it that? Obviously you're saying they're
causing it, But why are they causing it? Why is
their energy causing it? Is it? I'll a chance of that,
You're like, so, I.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
Feel the spirits they run off our energy. We have
high energy. They could take that from us and it
allows them to communicate better with us. And they're people
you don't want to be around anybody who's just like, Okay,
I want to be around somebody who's like, yeah, this
is fun. Let's go. I feel the spirits are the
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same way.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
For an example, we did an investigation the other night
using the spear box, and for the most part we
were in a pertect time when there's a lot of
foot traffic. But there were like two or three instances
where a group of people walked by and the activity
on the spear box stopped completely until those people went by,
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and then as soon as they left started up again.
So they felt safe with us, you know, but they
weren't so sure about strangers or outsiders. So I think
it kind of goes in that same realm. If if
somebody's got that real negative type you know thing, then
there the spirits aren't going to react to that so much,
you know, as opposed to and they feel a little
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bit more comfortable with you knowing that everybody's energy is
a little bit higher.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
So I can see it. Is it possible, though, Is
it possible that, uh, you know, we don't know what
our what our brain is capable of. Do you guys
remember a guy named Uri Geller at all used to
bend spoons? Yeah, okay, that's a that's somebody who used
brain power. Is it possible that somebody coming in with
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that type of energy. It may not necessarily be the spirits,
but it's their own energy causing it. Do you think
that's possible.
Speaker 4 (42:25):
It is, It's very possible. Yeah, I believe that.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
Okay, because that's that's once again we don't always know
what's causing all of this, you know. And that's well,
we're about retake our next break. When we come back.
I'd like to little know a little bit more about
your investigative techniques outside of the tours, so uh be
thinking about that, and folks will be back right after
these messages, and so stay tuned. Thank you, welcome back
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for a final segment here. Man, it's gone quickly, but
I do want to mention mention a little few things, folks.
If you're interested in a little about my team, the
Florida Bureau of Paranormal Investigation or Indian River Hauntings, which
is my tour organization, check us out at Indian River
Hauntings dot com. You can also find us on Facebook
at Indian River Hauntings LLC. And if you'd like to
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see some of our investigations and some of the things
that we do, check out our YouTube channel at Indian
River Hauntings two three four one, And I'd be remiss
not to mention the fact that there's some great programming
here on the x Zone Radio and TV Network and
check them out at x x IS and x ra
a ZBN dot net, x x x ZBN dot net,
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x Zone Radio and TV Network for some terrific programming
because it covers all the gambits, all the areas of
the paranormal and the answers really are out there. And ladies,
how can folks find out more about you and your
tours and scheduling an event with you?
Speaker 3 (43:54):
Yeah? So, our website is the Freight Club fl all
the work case together dot com or we're on all
the socials, Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, TikTok. So just look at
the track Club and it'll give you a description of
everything that we have and you can book book on
the website.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
How often do you do tours? All right?
Speaker 4 (44:17):
Did tours every weekend?
Speaker 2 (44:19):
Every weekend? Do people just show up? Or they do
they have to call? First?
Speaker 4 (44:23):
Book online?
Speaker 3 (44:25):
Book online?
Speaker 2 (44:27):
All right? Well, you guys, do these terrific tours. People
are enjoying it. Uh, you're you're in a city where
there's a lot of them. So you need to be
unique for it to be successful, I'm sure. But you
also investigate, and I'd like to talk to you a
little bit about that and learn about how you're how
you're finding information for the stories that you tell on
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your tours. So do you do investigations outside of the tours?
Speaker 4 (44:52):
We do, absolutely, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
Tell me a little bit about that. How do you
how do you find the spot? Do you go to
the same spot all the time, What are your protocols?
How do you investigate?
Speaker 4 (45:05):
So as of right now, our Hide and Seek investigation,
we're small. We are looking for people to join our
team in the area. We pick different locations first, whether
it's inside outside. We do a lot of outside investigations
as well. We do a lot of house investigations. People
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will call it will go out and investigate the house.
Also social media, we'll find spots that a lot of
investigators have gone to and love and we'll go out
there and see what we come up with.
Speaker 3 (45:41):
Yeah, we do have our and we have some regular
process that we'll go back to multiple times only because
we typically will get you know, some activity each time,
So we kind of have our friends as far as
that goes. But then trying to also just step outside
the box and find some other places. You know, like
she said, we either have heard from someone else, hey,
you gotta check the spot out, or have been asked
to go to a certain spot, or maybe it's just hey,
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like something happened over here, let's go over here and
let's try it out. So sometimes it's just missed too.
You just never know what you're in there.
Speaker 4 (46:12):
I feel we have a strong connection with some of
the spirits downtown, and we do have a certain spot
that maybe once a week go out there and we'll investigate,
and you know, sometimes spirits will say, bring me a cigar,
we'll go get get to them, you know.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
Well, you know, and I think that going back to
places numerous times is you're never going to get everything
with just one visit. So I totally agree with that.
You mentioned residentials always a little frightened of that, not
because of the spirits, but because of the implications. What's
your most common call that you get from a resident?
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What is their issue and what do they want you
to do?
Speaker 4 (46:54):
So a lot of times our residential calls are from
people we know or people who know those people, and
they're just curious. Nothing's bad's happened in the house. They're
just curious, like they might have seen the shadow or
they might have heard something in the house. And we'll
just go out there and set up our equipment and
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see what we come up with.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
You have a protocol that you use to get your
investigations going, and do you keep the evidence that you
get and what do you do with that evidence?
Speaker 4 (47:28):
So, yes, we do have a protocol. Wherever we go,
we will always introduce ourselves. That's my main thing is
introduce yourself. You are going into their spot, their home,
their comfort zone, and you're a stranger to that spirit,
so introduce yourself. We'll introduce ourselves. We'll say our little like,
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we don't mean any harm. We're just here to communicate
and we will try to make the spirits feel comfortable
before we set up any of the equipment. And then
once we set up the equipment, we will explain to
the spirits what the equipment is, how it works, and
how they could communicate with us, and how it's not
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going to harm them. We don't provoke at all, and
we want the spirits to feel comfortable and we want
them to know that we're not there to harm them.
We're just there to hear their story.
Speaker 3 (48:18):
Showing that respect right off the start, you know, and
kind of including them in on it, if you will.
Instead of hey, you know, we needed to show up,
it's more like, hey, we're here, you know, just chat,
just want to who you are and try and create
a little comfortable environment.
Speaker 4 (48:36):
And we do certain things like if we're asking the
spirit to touch the root pod, we're going to say, hey,
look we're touching the room. We're going to do what
we ask the spirits to do. And we just try
to get like we are a family and friends with
the spirits versus just trying to be like, hey touch
the room pot, Hey do this? Do that.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
I think that doing this what we all do is
almost making them like circus animals.
Speaker 4 (49:04):
Yeah, that's why we try to keep it versus like friends,
like we're friends, versus just telling them hey do this,
say that, do that? Like we try to keep it
as if we're communicating with friends, like hey, you want
to play this game, look what I could do with
the rempot or you know, hey, you guys want to
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run in place with me? We will play like little
silly games like that so they don't feel like that
zoo animal or circus animal.
Speaker 2 (49:34):
Yeah. Do you ever do you ever stop to think
maybe that they're actually investigating.
Speaker 4 (49:38):
Us, Yes, all the time.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
Maybe they're on the other side with their own equipment saying, oh.
Speaker 4 (49:44):
Listen, I have a meme on my Facebook like that. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (49:49):
It's basically like you know, like we're all here telling
stories and they're over there going we never said that,
you know, I did that.
Speaker 2 (50:00):
What what do you tell the client the person's asked
you to come and find out what's going on? How
do you conclude it? And what do you do with
the evidence that you've collected? Well, yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (50:18):
A lot of times we just hand all the evidence
over to them, whether it's the recordings of videos, everything, photos,
we just handled over to them, and when we end it,
like we'll do the whole we'll end it with like
a little clearance and everything, and we just explain to
them like what happened, what was going on, and just
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keep everything as real as possible.
Speaker 2 (50:43):
Does anybody ever ask you to remove what's what they
think is there?
Speaker 3 (50:47):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (50:47):
No, We've never come across anything evil in someone's home, luckily.
Speaker 2 (50:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (50:53):
Usually it's just again like she said, it's more curiosity
it's like, hey, we're just kind of curious you know this,
You know these things happen, orn't to just uh, you know,
make it so that they're not like, is this really happening?
Speaker 2 (51:06):
Real?
Speaker 4 (51:06):
And what kind of Yeah.
Speaker 2 (51:14):
Have you ever considered taking the evidence that you that
you've gained and keeping it all so, I mean obviously
turning it over to the client or the person that's
asking there, but ever keeping it use it to compare
other investigations to see if maybe there's similarities. Maybe at
a particular time, moon phase or whatever, you're getting more activity.
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Have you ever considered that at all?
Speaker 3 (51:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (51:37):
I have a little notebook that I write everything down in. Okay,
I keep track of a lot of stuff.
Speaker 2 (51:43):
How often have you ever gotten a person in one
spot and they've popped up in another. Has that ever happened? Yes, Okay,
give me an example, Give me an example of that.
Speaker 4 (51:54):
So I do have a spirit friend downtown and we
will contact him at the well and then all of
a sudden, they're at the four And even when we
do sing honeste Lighthouse Park, boom, he's right there. And
I'm like, Okay. There's been times where I've been out
of town, and I hear like he talks a certain
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way or whatever, and I hear certain words that he says,
and I'm like, hey, is that you? And you'll answer
He'll like, yep, it's me high.
Speaker 2 (52:24):
When you're out of town. Does that Does that concern
you at all that he has attached himself to you?
Speaker 4 (52:30):
Concern No? Yeah, it's a very friendly spirit. I do
feel I do have a few spirits that are attached
to me.
Speaker 2 (52:39):
Okay, and you're you're not concerned about that at all? No, Okay,
you mentioned that the Lighthouse Park definitely an interesting spot.
Speaker 3 (52:50):
There's no no.
Speaker 2 (52:51):
Question about that. So in our last couple of minutes together,
I'd like to know where the freight club is headed.
What do you see as far as the future. I'd
also like to know what you think we can do
to combat people just doing this for a buck and
not taking it seriously and just regurgitating old stories. Tell
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me about your future. Where are you going? How do
we combat folks that are frauds?
Speaker 4 (53:19):
I don't know that.
Speaker 3 (53:20):
I don't know that we can. I mean, I don't
know that they're an answer other than you know. Again,
our ultimate goal is to is to have people want
to come out with us and not only go on
the tours themselves, but to really build more on this
investigation side and have people be able to experience that
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in real time, but showing it that respect that it
deserves as opposed to these other places. And I think
that we'll find some people. I mean, we both have
done you know, other tours with other companies in the
past where we were reading from the script and you
do get those people occasion where they're like, wait a second,
we didn't know we were just going to hear stories.
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With that, we're actually going to learn something about the
you know, paranormal. So we're going to really capture more
of those types of people who are really truly interested
in also being respectful in attending these investigations and learning
about the history and learning about the people that we
might reach through those investigations. And so that's that's really
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ultimately kind of the goaling for us on that end
of it. And as far as combating what's already out there,
I don't think we can stop what's already out there,
but trying to stand out and being those other people
like that and trying to get people to come out
with us on that on the side of it.
Speaker 4 (54:40):
Yeah, And I feel like one of our goals is
we want to teach people that you don't have to
provoke the spirits to communicate with them.
Speaker 2 (54:48):
Agree.
Speaker 4 (54:49):
We see that a lot on these TV shows and
just things like that's where they're provoking the spirits. They're
being mean to the spirits, they're yelling at the spirits.
We just want to educate people that you don't have
to do that. You can say, Hi, how are you?
How are they? You know?
Speaker 2 (55:07):
How do you think the other side reacts to that provoking?
I sometimes think they just turn and walk away.
Speaker 4 (55:13):
I think so, Yeah, I feel like there's some spirits
that just turn and walk away, and then I feel
like there's other spirits that are like, hey, who are
you talking to like that? Like why are you talking
to me like that?
Speaker 3 (55:23):
Or like you said, you know, the circus animal type style.
I think that it's you're not going to get you know,
the people that are looking for results in a way,
And that's the other side of it is again. You know,
when we started, it's like, hey, we don't make any
promises because we're not going for that. And I think
sometimes you're you're not going to get the results that
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you're looking for by having those different approaches. Like she said,
these were people. If you just approach it as if
they're people, then you're going to get You're going to
get a lot better results.
Speaker 2 (55:55):
So you're a small team, you're looking for other folks.
Can they get a hold of you at your way
side if they're interested in connecting with you maybe to
investigate what with that? If you want to grow, Where
do you see yourself in five years? Where do you
see the Fright Club?
Speaker 3 (56:12):
I mean, ultimately, my gosh, I'm not even sure. I
mean we would like to hopefully, you know, have some
presidents in town as far as I can storefront things
like that, just from that exposure to be able to
offer some additional things on that end of it. But yeah,
just building the team as an investigation team and being
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being a team that people want to go and do investigations.
Speaker 2 (56:36):
Well, I really appreciate you joining us to night. We
are out of time. You guys have been terrific. Fight
anybody to go check out the Fright Club in Saint Augustine,
Florida a great city to learn history and paranormal investigative ways.
So I thank you. Folks for being with me tonight. Folks,
I thank you for being here with me tonight. Please
(56:57):
check out my website, my YouTube Channe and check out
the great programming here on XCBN dot net. And until
next time, thank you for joining me, but see you
on the other side. Have a great night, folks,
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