November 7, 2025 • 56 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Welcome to the Paranormal Stakeout Radio TV show with Larry Lawson.
As a former career law enforcement officer and law enforcement educator,
Larry focuses on the use of tried and true law
enforcement investigated techniques in conducting paranormal investigations. Despite his experience
and training, Larry also and keeps an open mind to
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discussions on topics that deal with evidence that are not
quite as physical in nature. Paranormal Stakeout guests are professionals
in the field of the paranormal and parapsychology, conducting the
investigations and research needed to further the cause of paranormal study.
Larry advocates an agenda of standardization of structure and training
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in the field of paranormal investigation and research for the
purpose of one day being able to produce the evidence
needed to be convince a jury of the existence of
the paranormal. Whether it is ghosts, UFOs, unsolved mysteries, quarantines,
or cryptids, no topic is beyond the investigative reach of
Larry Lawson and the Paranormal Steakout Radio TV show team.
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Now Here is the host of the Paranormal Steakhout Radio
TV show Larry Lawson.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Hello everyone, and welcome back to Paranormal Steakout. I'm your host,
Larry Lawson, coming to you from the Southern Command Post
of the ex Zone Radio and Television Broadcast Network in
beautiful Vivero Beach, Florida, where we're actually starting to get
some fall weather down here to Hi. Today was only
about eighty so hopefully to get a little cold let
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next week. But I'm really happy that you're you're all
here tonight. Got some interesting guests. They're coming from the
place where I began my law enforcement career down in Miami,
and an interesting spot that very very few. I don't
hear a lot of folks in the paranormal field outside
of Florida talking about Miami, so I'm really excited to
speak to Jenny and Armando otherwise known as Mondo Gonzalez
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out of Miami, Florida, their husband and wife team who
also are known as three or five Paranormal three H
five being the area code in Dade County. They do
a lot of different things. They put on a lot
of events. They help of host events and various locations
in South Florida. They provide educational investigations at public events
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and education, as you know, is what I'm all about.
So without further ado, I'd like to welcome my guests
Jen and Mondo Jennamando three or five Paranormal Welcome to
the show.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Hi, Hi everyone, Thank you Paranormal Steak Up fans. Thank
you for the invite, appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Yes, thank you for having us.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Well, there's a lot of things I want to talk about.
And as I said, my whole career in law enforcement
began in the Dade County jail. In fact, that's where
I had my very first paranormal experience as a twenty
year kid, and it kind of I still talk about
it today and it's a very very important reason why
I got into all this trying to figure out what
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occurs on the other side. And the funniest part about
it was just the guys that were working with me
that night kind of just blew it off, saying, yeah,
that stuff happened, happens here all the time. And what
I saw, just to let you know, was a figure
walking on the catwalk around the cell blocks and then
they were gone, and I thought it was somebody real,
but nobody was there. So that's enough about me. I
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want to hear more about you. My fans, my listeners
would like to hear more about you. Tell us what
is three or five paranormal? How did you guys get
into this field?
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Three or five paranormal, Like you mentioned, is comes from
the area code, the original area code of Miami, Florida,
and we are from Miami, Florida, so paying homage to
our place of birth. And I started in a paranormal
because I always had interested in paranormal and the supernatural,
because I had stuff happened to me since I was
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little that was paranormal, so it's normal for me. I
grew up with that. And when we dated, I kind
of mentioned it to him a little bit that he
might see things or you know, he knew I believed
in a paranormal, and eventually something happened to him. Wow.
We started living together and saving up for our wedding,
and then that's how he ended up. I don't know,
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being in a paranormal.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Too, getting involved in it. That hold on just a
second here, little technical difficulty there, sorry. So one thing
about Miami that I don't think a lot of people
appreciate is the cultural melt thing pot that Miami is
and that's not just different different cultures, it's different religions too.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
At my law enforcement work, I spent a lot of
time actually teaching law enforcements in my area here, Santaio, Palomembe,
things like that. Did that have an effect? And those
are what we referred to as Afro Caribbean cults or
religious groups down there? Did that have an effect on
your interest in the paranormal? Any of that?
Speaker 4 (05:31):
I say that was for me. I grew up in
a town called Sweetwater, so it's a little Nicaragua there.
It's very Hispanic melting pot. Now it's Cubans, Colombians, Venezuelans.
Back then it was more I say, Cubans a little
bit Colombians and people from Nicaragua. And yeah, we had
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botanica's all over the place. And I was used to
walking into those places when I was little, you know, first,
when I was young, I see and I'm kind of like,
this is weird a little creepy, but I guess I'm
used to that. It's normal to me here and there's
botanic gas all over the place in miam.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
What is a botanic for? For folks that don't know
what a Botanica is Could you explain that just briefly.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
So it's a it's a shop, a little store that
sells religious items for ceremonies people who practice Hudu, voodoo
and santaia Hm and you know, they have religious statues.
I guess if they they want to do some type
of ceremony, like different type of herbs and like candles
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and a whole bunch of stuff. Let's go there.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
And the interesting thing about it is it's a mixture
of both ancient religions from other countries and Catholicism mixed
together in most cases. So so that that is very interesting.
And that's one of the aspects about Miami that I
just don't think a lot of folks have are aware of. Sarmando,
tell me about your first experience. Man, you you hook
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up with this nice lady here. She tells you to
be careful that somebody might be watching. So what happened?
Speaker 3 (07:10):
So yeah, it's just you know, we're dating at the
time and she tells me this, and you know, I
just she's a beautiful young woman, still is, and you know,
I just I'm like, yeah, you know, okay, that's that's me.
I've never experienced that, So I don't know what that is.
You know, I know about you know, South Florida sports,
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I know about video games and things like that, but paranormal, Okay,
I don't know what that is. It wasn't until I
had my very first experience. And funny that you mentioned
sance aria, so I guess at a location that we
resided in unbeknownst to us, there was a satanic or
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note satanic, excuse me, a santoria, a ritual that was
done and it kind of up the pretty much our
living arrangement. But my very first paranormal experience, I was
playing a PlayStation waiting for Jenny to get home from work.
And to make a long story short, we had a
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like a living room area attached to our bedroom, and
I was playing on a futon, and what I felt
was I felt all of a sudden on my left
side of my body really cold, like if I walked
into a walk in freezer, so like if you were
halfway in, halfway out.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
That's what I felt.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
And then I started hearing the springs of the futon
going down, and I can see an impression of somebody
sitting right next to me, so I can see it,
I've sensed it, and I can you know, hear it.
At that point, I had my fireflight kicked in. It
was either I'm going to acknowledge you or I'm going
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to do option B, which is what I chose to do.
I'm just gonna to keep on playing like you in
hope to God that you leave. And that's exactly what happened,
and just a lot of questions and curiosities things like
that arose from that. Jenny kind of like as a
date night thing, kind of bought like tickets for us
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to go and investigate one of our favorite locations now,
which is called the Deering Estate. I'm not sure if
you are familiar with that, but that was the very
first location that Jenny and I investigated together. She's been
on investigations before me, but that was the very first
place that we investigated together. So that place means a
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lot to us because that's essentially what started Jenny Mondo
pretty much as far as three or five paranormal and.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
I loved it. I loved it.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
And then fast forward and during a future investigation, I
felt a cold spot and that brought me back to
my very first paranormal experience. And I was able to
answer one of the questions I had about the paranormal,
and that kept me going onto there.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
That curiosity was peaked.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
So how many years ago was this? How long ago?
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Ooh?
Speaker 2 (10:13):
The no? How how Mondo got involved? And had they
happened to him?
Speaker 4 (10:19):
So we that was when we were saving up for
our weddings. So we got married in twenty eleven. Oh,
it's definitely like twenty fifteen years ten over fifteen years ago.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Actually interesting. So Jen, how did you explain this to
this nice guy that you're dating, you're planning a life with,
but he's got no experience with the paranormal and we don't.
I don't get a chance to talk to folks that
was able to doctrinate bad word, but introduce is the
word I'm looking looking for to somebody in the field.
How did you explain this to him? How did you
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make it make sense to somebody that's never had that
kind of experience.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
I think at first it was just asking him if
he's ever had an experience, like any ghost experience. No,
and then more like indifferent and I'm like, okay, so
let me tell you what happened to me. So you know,
if I tell people things I don't know at this
point if they think I'm crazy, but I'll be like, oh,
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I would say like what I feel sometimes, Oh I
feel this, or hey, I saw that. We've been on
vacation and I've seen full body operations one that I
would even think it's somebody but it's not. And he
knows out. So I'll constantly tell him my experiences. Then
he's just like, Okay, that's cool. And I always used
to have him watch like the shows with me, the
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original back in the day, ghost Hunters and stuff like that.
So it's one thing seeing it on TV. But then
when he went to during State and got to like
actually investigate in some places and see the tools firsthand,
like that's a whole other thing. So I think that's
what made him like, oh wow, yeah this is very neat.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Yeah did you I mean, did you have to spend
a lot of time kind of explained to him this
is what I think it is, or he just accepted it.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
He just accepted it, and then he knew that I
like scary movies and horror movies also, or we kind
of like both like the same thing. And I love
October all all time, and just Halloween stuff. So he
was just like, she's fine.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
You know, when did you have your first experience? At
what age?
Speaker 4 (12:23):
I would say five six? What I have for first?
Speaker 2 (12:29):
What happened? What happened? If I may ask, yeah, no, no?
Speaker 4 (12:32):
And I saw what was a blue ball. It's got
like not by that big, and it was in a
corner of my closet. The closet door was closed, and
it's on the corner of my closet door like covering.
But I woke up. You know, I don't know why
I woke up, but I just woke up and then
that's all I see. But it was blue, It's not
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like a white ball. Orb in the middle was very
like more solid. But the more I got to like
that edges, it was kind of like transparent. So I
just stayed there looking at it and close my eyes
and thinking it would go away. It didn't go away.
Then I started like covering my head. That didn't work.
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Eventually I kind of like hopped out of the bed
and ran out the door and tried to knock on
my parents' room. They didn't want to listen to me
that night. They literally were like, go away, And I
was like, oh my God. So I just kind of
stayed on my parents' bathroom floor that night, and that
was my first that I can remember. And I've had
other things, you know then, like I would hear my name,
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I would see shadows when I was take a shower,
lights going on in my house, and that same in
that same place. So it was just weird.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Interesting. Do you think it was the building? Were you
able to able to find out what caused us?
Speaker 4 (13:55):
Not? Really? So that was in a trailer park. I
lived in a trailer park in Sweetwater when that happened.
And just what happens that trader park is now being
demolished so recently this earlier this year, that trailer I
went back to my trailer to try to investigate it
and do some EVPs while it was abandoned now and
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just kind of went there and asked what it was
that that I experienced. And all I did was ask
the question like what did I see when I was little?
Like what was that all? And it answered, you know,
we got an answer back through through the EVP.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Well not let me, let me let me put it
put a hold on you here, because we've got to
take our first break. But folks, stay with us with
Mondo and Gen from three or five Paranormal as we
begin to find out about the birth of three or
five Paranormal and where you guys are at today. So
stay with us. We'll be back after this break. So
we are back. So we we now have an idea
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how how uh Gen conned or forced Mondo into this film?
Just kidding, but about your EXPERI and how you got
into it. But how about the birth of three or
five parent normal? When did when did that become a thing?
How long ago? And what caused you to kind of
create a team.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
So during COVID, I had a lot of videos and
I was like, I don't want to keep it on
my phone, to be honest with you, So I just
created a page just to upload my pictures and whatever
we did and where places we investigated. And that was
really how I got started online and just to showcase
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like whatever we got. And so I will say during
COVID was really the time I had time to do
all that, create, create everything. And then about twenty nineteen
I already had the page and probably since then.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
So do you and you actively investigate? How many investigations
do you do, say in a month or a year.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
This year has been slow, but we were doing once
a month with like the events that we were helping
out with with another team here in South Florida and
and more towards the end of the year, that's when
it's like really active. It's like, you know, every other week,
but it's throughout the whole year, we're every other month
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we're doing something. At this point, we have actually an
investigation tomorrow at not tomorrow, Saturday, Saturday to a place
that you mentioned we're gonna be. We'll be back there
because that's our that's our local haunt. We're very close
to that place.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Gold Coast Train Museum, which does have quite a terrification.
And you made a comment to me about it's not
all that well known, and you're right, it's not, and
that we heard about it through some other folks and
it's supposed to be a very very active place and
it's a huge train museum. And uh, and we're we
as a team, we're heading down there later in November
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ourselves just to check it out. But I understand it's
quite quite active. How often do you investigate that that facility?
Speaker 4 (17:06):
What was the last time we went there?
Speaker 3 (17:08):
The last time we were there was I believe it
was August, July or August.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
It was July or August.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Definitely. We used to go there quite often, but then
the in the beginning of the year, the events there
started slowing down.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
A little bit.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
But we were going there before. I would say, if
not monthly, every other month. But that is our definite,
like favorite place locally here in Miami to go and investigate.
It also helps that it's like a thirteen fifteen minute
drive from us, but yeah, it's easily one of the
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most haunted locations down here in South Florida.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
Easily that not a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Well, would you agree that investig You've got to investigate
a place more than once to get all of the
data out of it. You just can't go once and
expect to get everything. Would you agree with that?
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Oh yeah, yes, definitely. And another thing as well is
let's say you go somewhere the very first time and
maybe it was a little quiet. I would encourage you
to go a second and even a third time if possible,
just to be able to formulate a good opinion on
said location instead of just hey, I went here, it
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was slow. I'll never go there again.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
Because you're not giving them a real shot.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Well that that actually brings up a good point about
conducting investigations. First of all, let me start by asking
what is your purpose? What is your reason for investigating?
Speaker 4 (18:46):
I say, for me, it's just I guess more since
this is something I've grew up with, I kind of
feel like I understand more spiritually and like the other side,
or like what spirits intentions are some places, or just
in general by investigating, I like to see help people
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at this point, is just I want to show people
that they don't have to be scared about investigating or
spirit It's not Everything's not a demon like everybody likes
to click bait on. I want to show people that,
you know, it's maybe's your family member coming back trying
to show you signs. Not everything has to be scary.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Yeah, I want to add to that. I think as
far as for me, my purpose originally was just solving,
not solving, answering questions that I had about the paranormal.
Why why is this thing? Why why does this piece
of equipment work versus others? But it's slowly kind of
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like transformed into a different purpose for me, just like
Jenny was saying, is educating the masses as far as
like not to be fearful and things like that, but
just to take it a step further from me, there's
a lot of spirit out there that at one point
in time they were human. They want to just be
able to communicate with somebody or just be heard have
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their story heard. So I think that helps them, and
in essence it kind of like helps us to to
be able to communicate and.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
Share their story and yeah, see why are they here.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
There's a lot of there's a there's a spirit that
has been on TV here in South Florida and in
a location it's called the Billy House, and yesterday Village
said TV show gave him a bad reputation. But we've
investigated there a few times and I can tell I
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if spirit likes him or likes the investigator or not,
because you'll always get shouts, screamings, curse words, things like that.
If you talk to them respectfully, like they're like Larry
and I are having a conversation, you get full on
conversations with said spirit. And we noticed the difference. So
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from there, we started treating all spirits with respect and
we've seen we've garnered a lot of great results because
of that. Where we don't get the typical screams and
curse words, we get conversations.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Now, so what do you think this is? Mondo? What?
What do you think? Who do you think you're talking with? Who?
What is this phenomenon? Do you have an opinion on it?
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (21:32):
That see, So Jen and I have gone down this
brabo hole quite a few times. It's always serious, it's
it's yeah, of course these aren't and and by any stretch,
we don't want to make it seem like we are
masters of the paranormal or professionals. It would be irresponsible
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to call yourself that because this is a field where
we don't know all the answers. We are trying to
learn more. And that's why I like picking the brains
of other people in different locations, because maybe they see
things through a different perspective.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
That I haven't seen or noticed, or things like that.
But we have.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
One of our theories is we're investigating and we're doing EVPs.
But what if the other side is investigating and doing
EVPs as well, and they're hearing us and we're hearing them.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
Okay, I'll give you my theory.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Okay, hold on, hold on just a second, because this
is interesting. So are you suggesting Mondo that this is
not necessarily communication with a spirit that maybe have has
passed this light and maybe it's in a different plane
such as heaven. Or are you saying it's just a
situation of dimensions where they're living their life here just
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like we are, and you're living like somehow we're crossing.
Is that where you're going with us?
Speaker 4 (22:58):
Welcome to our rabbi.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Okay, okay, your turn, Jen.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
Yeah, So I I have a theory I think that
is happening in some cases. I don't think it's like
that in all cases, but I do think we have
kind of maybe encountered that where maybe I'm startling them.
They're doing their own thing, and I walk into them
and they kind of like veer off because we've seen
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shuttle Uh scary. And then I'm like, you know, same thing,
trying to communicate it. Did we scare you?
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (23:34):
And I'm like okay, like you know, like if they're
doing their own thing, and that maybe I'm thinking that's
why they don't know. Sometimes they don't know they're dead,
you know, they're they're wondering, like like coming to me,
like the others.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
You know, yeah, it's a great movie, but but are
they from what you're describing, are they dead or are
they just living in a different plane. And I find
this conversation interesting because and I actually I'm happy to
hear this because too many people say I have the answer,
I know, and you hit it right on the head Mond,
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and we don't know, we don't know all the answers.
But what I'm here, both of you saying at some
different level is this isn't so much talking to Grandma
who passed away six months ago, as it is just
maybe crossing different planes.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
M Like, That's why I think sometimes when we start
talking about residual energy and like a new oh, every
time at one pm, somebody's doing this at the same time,
and that's why you always hear knocking. Maybe that's they
are doing that at that same time, and then we're
disturbing them. You know. That's so I started going to
start thinking about a whole bunch of different things.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Yeah, it's it's it's a lot of questions that need
to be answered, you know. And that's why Jena and
I will never classify ourselves.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
I'm pretty sure I'll be a professional when I hit
that place there you go.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
I've always said I've always said that I will well
know what the other side is like when Abraham Lincoln
pulls up a chair, sits down next to me and said, Yo, Larry,
this is what's happened on the other side. At that
point we'll know. But we don't have that. So and
I'm going down a bit of a rabbit hole here.
So how do we get away from folks that say
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this is the answer, this is what it is. What
do you say to folks like that?
Speaker 4 (25:27):
I don't know what would I say?
Speaker 3 (25:30):
It's It's difficult because at that point I don't want
to feel like I'm judging somebody on what it is
that they have.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
You know, again, it just goes by. Is it concrete?
Is it? Do we really know? The answers, No, we don't.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
We can tell you we investigated this location and we
got these type of responses and things like that, but
it's difficult to quantify somebody else's experiences and things like that.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Right, do you think that people experience have these experiences
differently based upon their own emotional makeup, their own vibrational frequency,
if you will, Do you think that changes how people
are saying things.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
I believe, So I definitely believe. Whatever you come into
a location, your energy, whatever you bring in. If you
want to see something negative, you might experience something negative.
We don't go into places looking for negativity or demons
and stuff like that, and we don't get anything like
that type of experience. You know, everything to me is frequency,
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is vibration. So you're getting back what you put out.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Jenny was harping something on me when I first became
you know, into this as an investigator. Set your intention,
What is your intention? Why are you doing this? Be
strong in what it is that you're saying. Set your boundaries.
It's very important that that is done because you don't
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want to open the wrong doors and things like that.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
So it's it's yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
When you say open, when you say open wrong doors,
can you open up a door that leads down a
path that doesn't lead to good things? Shall we say
I'm not talking demons because we're not were origin side,
We're not going to call it that. But can it
open to evil?
Speaker 4 (27:38):
Yes? Yeah, negative attachment because that was your intention or
or or just it's say, if you don't set up
a protective boundary, I would say, or you're not strong
in your faith or your mindset. That's something a low
LEL lower energy type of entity can manipulate you or
try to attach yourself to you, wants to leach off
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of your energy or something you know.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Well, what is just even piggyback off of that. That's
why Jenny is also total folks. He if you're feeling sick,
you shouldn't investigate. If you're going through a rough time
let's say, family, work, et cetera, shouldn't go and investigate.
You should only investigate with a clear mind and things
of that.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Nature completely well, and of course, if you start feeling
ill during an investigation, you got to you gotta get
out of there. Well, I got another rabbit hole I
want to go down in just a second. But we're
about ready to take our next break. So if you'll
hang with us, and folks, you'll hang with us too.
What a conversation from folks down in Miami. More to come,
So stay with us, paranormal stake out. We'll be back
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right after these messages. Welcome back everybody to this this
next section here now, just to recap a little bit,
I get a hear from you, folks, that your your
basic premise is that perhaps we're dealing with dimensions. I'm
not saying that's your only belief, but that's your your
primary foundation, would I be correct? So then that being
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the case, where's the evil that we were just coming
and talking about. Where's that coming from? In your opinion?
Speaker 4 (29:15):
I think they have their own realm there there. To me,
there's different There is different dimensions, and they have their own.
From what I understood, I guess they they are maybe
on the same plane as us, maybe just right under,
but you know, there's different planes and they have their own,
and sometimes they can cross over to ours. Obviously, maybe
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we're crossing into theirs and we don't even know it,
and just right moment, right time, we hit that same
frequency and we can see them, or they can mess
with us or vice versa.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Yeah, it's it's all energies and vibrations and things like that.
That's typically how like EVPs and things like that work
because of white noise, and that's how we're able to
hear them. You know, why wouldn't there be a scenario
where like this where perfect place, perfect time.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Boom And that's actually something I'm working on exactly there
it's amazing you mentioned that. Is there a religious connotation
to this at all? I mean, obviously a death going
to heaven that all becomes what we're used to in that,
particularly Christian religion, but also in many other different religions.
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Our soul leaves our body and goes somewhere else when
we pass. Do you think that has an angle with
this at all? A connection with this at all.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
So, I'm of Catholic background, and I was raised Catholic.
I'm still I still believe in my religion, and I
think I think a lot of from what I've seen.
I guess my experience, our experiences. Whatever the person believes,
what I gather is whatever the person believes when they're alive,
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say they were really there's a heaven in hell and
if I don't do good, I'm gonna go to hell.
We've experienced spirits where they don't want to cross over
because they don't want to be judged, like they literally said,
like they're scared. They don't want to move on.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
The elevator's gonna go down instead of up, is what
you're thinking.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
Yeah, so they'd rather be like just I don't know what.
Maybe that's their purgatory. They're just in the dark all time.
That's what they tell us. That's what we've gotten as.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Responsible we've gotten, as a like an EVP response, that
they were scared of the consequences of their actions while
they were alive.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Yeah, and that's why they didn't want to move on.
But those same ones, some of them have asked us
to pray for them, so, you know, maybe they're tired
of it, or maybe they if I'm saying and during
an investigation, you know, you don't have to be scared.
You can move on. You're gonna be okay, you know,
And maybe they've asked for prayer, so and others just
don't want to they like they like the dark. So
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there's a mixed bag, you know, just like there's a
lot of different different type of people in life, dark people,
happy people, like people. I think it's the same type
of site, type of scenario in the spiritual world.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Interesting, and then the bottom line comes down to we
just really don't know the answer at all. It's the
bottom line, and and that's I think where so many
people get in trouble when they think that they know
the answer. Now, Jen, you've talked a lot about feelings.
Do you consider yourself a medium at all?
Speaker 4 (32:31):
I feel like I know I wouldn't say I would
not call myself a medium, but I feel I am sensitive.
I seen spirit, I hear them, I can send them
at times, and so during doing this, you know, investigations,
I'm sure it's it's made it easier or it's open
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it up. But I've this is something I've dealt with.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Yeah, and I'm unlike I'm like Mando. Experience wasn't until
I was an adult, whereas I think, you know, as kids,
you almost become people that have experienced as children, they've
accepted it a little bit earlier. Now here's one more
rabbit hole. I'm going to throw you down just for
a second. How much of it is in our is
our own mind? How much of it is us perhaps
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with the hitting the untapped resources of our own brain.
How much of that could be causing it or is
it not causing it at all?
Speaker 4 (33:27):
In your opinion, I've experimented with that, I will say
during I've tried to We've tried to do EVP sessions
where asked a question and then I'm thinking of the
answer to see if that comes out. During the EVP
I've done We've done that with spear boxes and I've
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done it. You know how people use the.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Cat ball, Oh yeah, yep, yep.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
I've done that myself. I've tried to, like mentally, to
be like you know, trying to make it go off.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
That had some more well we had. I got to
tell you this quick story, although you're the one that's
supposed to be the interviewed, but I got to tell
you this story. We were doing an event. We were
doing an event with a gentleman named Brian Kano. I
don't know if you're familiar with Brian at all. He's
been around for a long time and a great guy.
We did an experiment down here in Fellsmere, Florida, where
we went into a room and everybody was thinking about
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one word, and the word was banana. And you thought,
you think about a banana, how it smelled, how it tasted, banana, banana,
banana for a solid minute, and then they turned on
the tape recorder and everybody stayed silent, and dang if
we did not hear the word on an EVP banana. Now,
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to give you a pause, there doesn't have as to
the untapped power of our own brain to maybe influence
some of this. And I don't even think it necessarily
say making it up as much as it is just
maybe enhancing it exactly.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
I have one to throw it back at you from
that theory. Now throw it so you know how they
say spirit can you ever get when you're doing a
session and you get the response even before you even
asked the question. So what if they're you know, spirit
is knowing what you're doing and like, you know, reading
that thought and then they gave you the word bana.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
I don't know. Once again, we don't know, but the
fact that it occurred, the fact that it occurred has
got to give us some pause to look at other
things and not just put blinders on and say that
little that little bump in the night was aunt Ertrue
trying to tell me she's still here. It could be
something else. So all right, Thorn, you under enough enough
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buses for a minute here, I want to know when
you guys are investigating, what type of equipment do you use,
what do you do with the equipment, and what do
you do with the evidence that you collect?
Speaker 4 (35:52):
So equipment, we have all types of equipment, rams, MFS, cameras, audio,
depending on a situation, on where we're at is what,
depending on what we will use. We'd always like to
do at least an EVP session and a spear box
session because I like to get the interaction of back
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and forth communication and where we do with our evidence.
If I have enough time to go through it, I
will post it on my zoo.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Always the tough part. Yeah, yeah, well, that's why we
only do our EVP sessions stop at two minutes and
then we listen to it right away, so that you know,
if we get an answer, we can respond to it.
And also who wants to sit and listen to the
radio the tape recorder for four hours solid? It gets tough,
So I totally understand that. So you you catch something
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on your on your digital recorder, okay, what do you
do with it? Do you keep it? Do you store it?
Do you uh? Do you ever compare it to other investigations?
Do you and as a whole, do you take evidence
you've you've obtained in one investigation and compared to others
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with the hopes of maybe finding a commonality or a
thread between the two if it's.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
In the same location. Yeah, we'll definitely keep track of
that because if we go to a location long enough
or more than a few times, we don't know maybe
certain spirit's name, the history there, and try to, you know,
build a story or see what is it that they're
wanting to trying to tell us. But I normally, if
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it's good enough, it's a class A or something that's
something you can understand that I don't have to really
show you what it is. Yeah, I will tape it
and we just keep it as evidence.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
You ever refer back to it later or have you
ever had the need to refer back to it later
to say, I think I heard that same answer at
this location. Have you ever had that happen at all?
Speaker 4 (37:54):
Yeah, definitely, like it where the Reddle House is at
and Yester your village. It's a living museum, so there's
different houses there, and we've done that with one location
and one building there in the same answer in another
building or I found, you know, it's like they move
around and we've gotten the same story trying to make
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a story from from that location.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
That was one of the original questions that I had
when I first started. I didn't know if spirit was
kind of like condemned to being in that one same
property all the time. The spirit there is is one
that showed me that he could appear in any of
the houses in said location. He's not just stuck in
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the Riddle house. So he's talked to us in a
building like a quarter a mile away. So it was
cool to answer that question for me personally, and you know,
learn more like that.
Speaker 4 (38:55):
Yeah, if we're getting new names, you know, say if
it's a little boy that's there, we get new names,
and then later on we'll try to talk to that
person again and get more information like how they passed
or what is their story. It's always it's always like
you know.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
Book as a matter of fact. Yeah, so we would
jomp down notes and things like that. So one time
they were cleaning up and they happened to go into
the second floor where there was a children's room and
in the blocks, like the letter blocks, was felt the
name Michael, and we had Michael written down from a
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previous investigation at that we've seen that. So yeah, that's
why it's good to keep a journal or a log
or or at least your evidence in videos in categories
and things like that.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Have you ever have you ever considered adding both weather
and solar weather information into your investigations to see if
there's you're getting more activity on a full moon as
compared to a quartermoon or something like that. Have you
ever considered doing that or do you do that?
Speaker 4 (40:03):
I don't do that, but I didn't notice the events
that we were doing or like helping at normally would
be around or on a full moon. So I did
notice that, and I was wondering if the people were
planning it that way. You know, that was my own
train of thought. But we do notice as far as
like the weather it's really rainy or the stormy, you know,
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it is like more ramped up energy and full moon
sometimes I feel like, yes, it might be you might
feel more electricity like an air more energy, but not
necessarily always.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
Yeah, and everything's relative, but the moon is. For the
longest time, people have been able to connect the lunar
pattern with crazy things that are going on. That's sort
of the term lunatic came from, for example, because of
you know people and as a cop, trust me, full
moods used to drive us nuts.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Now, are most of your investigations yours or are they
part of an event?
Speaker 4 (41:10):
No, it'd be both. The ones that I normally put
online there is from ours, yeah, and if it's from
an event, it might be a little clip. But I
like to we do our own stuff.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
Yeah, okay. And when you do events, you say they're
more educational. What do you what are you trying to
impart upon the folks that you're you're working with? What's
your what's your message to them?
Speaker 3 (41:33):
First?
Speaker 4 (41:33):
How to use equipment correctly? You know, you don't want
to use a k too, and then your phone right
on it. And then you're getting all this false readings,
you know, showing maybe what they see on TV isn't
necessarily what what could be happening in the background that
maybe they don't know, And we can show them, say,
if I have a walkie talkie, I can show how
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a ram trips through walking. They don't even know how
to go, oh wow, that does work like that, you know,
stuff like that, So they opens our.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
Mind more like hmmm, open the mind. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (42:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
To me, it's funny because we've done adults and we've
even done middle school children. So for the adults, for
the adults, it's like, oh yeah, I saw Zach Beggins
do this, and then for the middle school kids, it's oh,
I've seen.
Speaker 4 (42:20):
That in Sam and Kobe.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
And it's like, well, guys, this is how it really,
you know works.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
And when we get back, when we get back from
our break, because we're got about ready to take it again,
I want to touch a little bit on TV versus reality,
So folks, stay with us Jen Mondo three oh five
Paranormal What a show. See after the break and we
are back for a final lines. So, boy, this has
gone fast, and I I've got so many more things
I want to talk about, but I do want to
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mention folks if you want to learn a little bit
more about what I'm doing down in Florida. Uh, you
can go to my website at Indian River Hauntings dot com. Uh,
you can check us out on Facebook and our YouTube
channel which is at the APT simple Indian River Hauntings
two three four one. So if you want to say
a little bit more about us or what we're doing,
check out out. Also, cannot say enough about the X
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Zone Radio and TV Broadcast Nation check them out at
x Zone Radio and TV dot com for all the
great programming. Well, we've talked a lot a lot today
and we've started to get into the TV end of it.
First of all, do you think that the TV shows
have been helpful to the field. What's your thoughts on that?
Speaker 3 (43:34):
Yes, because I do, because it's helped bring more attention
to it, whereas people are more accepting of the paranormal
than as before it was more like a hush hush
thing and you didn't want folks to really know about it.
I think it's more culturally acceptable nowadays versus when the
folks first started.
Speaker 4 (43:57):
No, yeah, I totally agree.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
Well, do you think also that it maybe has brought
folks into the field that have become serious investigators or
researchers or do you think we would they would have
found their way into the field anyway. That makes sense.
Speaker 4 (44:14):
At least for the urban urban explorers, because a lot
of a lot of people who are urban explorers end
up kind of being investigators because of what they experienced
at abandoned places. Maybe for them they would have maybe
stumbled into it. But others I've seen, you know, there's
people that go into it because it's the fad, it's
a new thing, and they just want it for fame.
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But I think maybe they get they die out quickly,
or they get bored of it, you know, depending on
it's it's it's good in.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
This bad it's. It has its ups and downs. But
I think in a lot of ways it has helped
bring it into into the forefront. I totally agree with
you on that one. Now, we've talked a lot about
ghosts the spiritual world. We've talked about dimensions too, and
that leads me to this next question. Do you folks
investigate or have an interest in dealing with cryptids or UFOs? Yes, okay,
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that's that's a loaded answer, Jen.
Speaker 4 (45:12):
No, Yeah, I'm all into that.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
Okay, Well, what have you experienced either with UFOs or
cryptids and do you think they're connected with the with
the ghost phenomenon for lack of a better term.
Speaker 4 (45:25):
Well, I don't think I've experienced, uh, we haven't experienced obviously,
no cryptid like Bigfoot or dog Man and stuff like that. Here,
I was always interested in aliens as a child. I'm
not sure that's something that had to do with maybe
what I seen. I do think they exist, So.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
I don't know what you think. What I think is
if if we believe in the paranormal and we have,
you know, evidence that we've gathered that the parent normal
is real, the paranormal is normal. What makes us think that,
you know, cryptids aren't real, UFOs aren't real, you know
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universe that Yeah, we're the only people in the universe,
you know.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
So you know, does this enter at all into the
dimensional theory that we talked about earlier? And you could it?
I mean, as it possible.
Speaker 4 (46:25):
I believe so. I think so because I would believe aliens,
I guess or extra terrestrials could tap into our dimensional
r space from people who've had experiences as being aducted
or you know, other experiences where they lose track of
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time or something. I don't know what are they what
they're experiencing, but where they're even going and they that
back you know who knows.
Speaker 3 (46:54):
I think that helps, uh like answer Bigfoot as well,
because he just goes and warps in between different times
and locations things like that.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
Well, that that certainly has been a theory that that
Bigfoot yahweh or whatever they want to not yahwey, I
forget what the other name for this, but bigfoot yetti,
thank thank you all has this ability to jump back
and forth and that's why we never find any of them.
And certainly that theory has been gaining strength, but do
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we have proof of that yet?
Speaker 4 (47:30):
No?
Speaker 2 (47:31):
No, So how how are we going to get the proof?
How are we going to prove that this is a
dimensional or it's just something that's we're making up in
our own mind. How do you think we're going to
find that answer?
Speaker 4 (47:42):
I don't know. I would like to personally invest. I
want to go out to like the woods and investigate
that myself. I've been trying to kind of set that up.
Maybe what if I can talk to a bigfoot in
a spear box? Why not? I don't know, Let's try
that out and see what happened. I just think it
just hasn't been done yet.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
Yeah, okay, and it isn't that Really The answer is
we've got to keep expanding our minds and trying different
things to either prove or disprove. See the world I
come from, I can have an opinion that this person
committed a crime, but until I can prove it in court,
it doesn't really matter what I think. So that's kind
of where I see us going with this. This leads
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me into the biggest question I've wanted to ask you tonight.
The Miami Mall incident. From a few years ago. That
is something that still pops It's popping up on the internet.
We're still seeing people question it. What do you know
about that incident? It created quite the stir And I'll
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be honest with you. I saw the pictures and when
you see about thirty cop cars, thirty squads in front
of the mall, something's going on. What do you guys
know about that incident?
Speaker 4 (48:54):
As far as for us, to me, that's normal in
Miami if something goes down for like people.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
Not a great publicity comment for Miami.
Speaker 4 (49:03):
But that's true. But as far especially down there, like
in Biscay area. Yeah, and that's very a touristy spot,
so you're gonna want more cops there anyways. And that
that is the that is the biggest police department here,
I think, if I believe Miami and Apet down there
or City of Miami. So if there is a threat,
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especially if that was a large cloud, I think was
it a holiday season? It wasn't a getting Christmas or
something something year's here Christmas And if there is a
threat of an active shooter, everybody's coming out.
Speaker 2 (49:40):
Well, what did you guys hear about the incident? What
did what did in the folks that are in your
circle down there, what did you hear? Because there are
there are talks, there's talks about photographs being taken that
are hazy at best, but there's a lot of people
that are saying something happened, did it or were people
just trying to get their face on the news?
Speaker 4 (50:00):
I think I personally think I heard it was an
active shooter at first, so I understand the police activity
and why it was such a big turnout. I haven't
seen anything that photo wise that convinces me that it's
anything real. I remember I was debunking actually stuff people
were putting up videos. I was, and I ended up
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finding whatever video they were putting and it's like some
old video and they're just like trying to use it
or or make it backwards, and I'm like, this is
I don't see And then some places don't even look
at my doesn't look like that like so I'm like, yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:40):
What are your thoughts.
Speaker 3 (50:42):
The more and more I saw, it just didn't jive
to me that that it was alien.
Speaker 4 (50:47):
I think it was just, you.
Speaker 3 (50:49):
Know, unfortunately, someone shooting, and at that time of the year,
that does happen a lot in that area a lot
of shootouts.
Speaker 4 (50:56):
But not only that, but it's just a lot of
younger the younger crowd and the guns that they're not
supposed to have, you know, concealed. You're taking into the
place danger with them trying to shoot innocent people and
just starting a big fight because it's a lot of kids.
Speaker 2 (51:13):
And my understanding from what I heard from my sources,
it was firecrackers that were being shot.
Speaker 4 (51:18):
Off, So yeah, I think so, I think it was
New Year's or something.
Speaker 2 (51:21):
Yeah, But in your opinion, the paranormal community in Miami,
have they rendered an opinion at all?
Speaker 4 (51:29):
Have you heard anything the people that we've known that
we've talked to, like, I've asked them and they kind
of laugh at it. They laugh at it, so they
don't believe it. And I know the people I know,
people in different city Miammy and Miami dapet and yeah,
I know they all.
Speaker 2 (51:45):
Yeah, so you heard it here first folks from folks
out of Miami. Nothing to the Miami Mall incident. So
that's that's interesting. As we begin to close up our
time together, it's gone fairly quick. We still got a
few minutes, but I I want to know from you folks,
we've talked a lot about what this phenomenon is, what
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it could and couldn't be. We don't have the answers.
Where do you think we need to go? What do
you think that we need to do as a community
to find out what these answers are?
Speaker 4 (52:21):
I would say, talk to each other. Network. If you
go to one place and you've been there, share your
findings with that person and try to see if we
get the same stories, the same type of answers, and
build off of their like, make those connections, don't you know?
Gatekeep I guess, and just you're supposed to be figuring
out this together, so I you know, make it like
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a community and work like that. We're only stronger together.
Speaker 2 (52:49):
Is it like that in Miami with the groups? I'm
assuming you you have contact with other groups in Miami?
Is it that way down there?
Speaker 4 (52:56):
I would say more, Yeah, we know groups here, But
I wouldn't say it's like that all the time now,
But I would I wouldn't think it's like that anywhere either.
Speaker 2 (53:06):
You know, what are your thoughts about creating a system
that we're all kind of not doing it exactly the
same way, but we're all using a similar structure with
which to investigate and collect evidence. Do you feel that
that would help us expand may maybe communicate better if
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we're all kind of doing, you know, things in a
similar structure. What are your thoughts on that.
Speaker 4 (53:33):
I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (53:35):
If everything was so cookie cutter, then that leaves the
person that's the innovative person, that the person that thinks
out of the box. It takes them completely out of
the equation. If everything is cookie cutter and done the
same way over and over again.
Speaker 2 (53:52):
Well, I'll tell you where I disagree with that, And
it's my law enforcement training because that's kind of what
we do. For example, if I'm working a homicide here
in the Vero Beach area and they're working a homicide
in Spokane, Washington, our structure is essentially the same. We
do some things different than some laws are different, but
we're able to investigate it the same way, and thus
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we're able to share information whether they're law enforcement agencies.
So that's that's kind of my thinking on that. But
you're thinking it would take the innovators out of it, then.
Speaker 4 (54:25):
I think so.
Speaker 3 (54:25):
And and the thing is is there's things that we've
learned from other investigators that we would have never even
thought of, and we started using that into our repertoire.
For example, a few years back, when we were first starting,
we learned about recording your portal sessions or your SB
sessions and playing it back, and you start picking up
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voices that you didn't hear live in the point rate, Yeah,
you start picking things up. So if everything was cookie
cutter and that wasn't a thing, we would have never
learned about that technique right then and there. If that's
not a common technique, you understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (55:06):
But I do. But that's how you learn by communicating, hey,
I got a better way to do this, and then
you do it. But that can still become part of
the of the structure because let's say, for example, Mondo,
you pick up a piece of evidence, right, and somebody
else picks that evidence something they've done a little differently.
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How do you how do you really reconcile the two
if you don't have a similar structure. I guess I'm
looking at it from a from a legalistic sort of
point of view. You know, how do you prove that
you did it? And how did you prove that this
guy this has happened before, and before and before. If
you haven't done it the same way.
Speaker 4 (55:46):
Yeah, I see, I see where you're coming from.
Speaker 2 (55:50):
And I guess and what I got to say, I
gotta sayuse, we're probably run out of time. I got
to watch the whole idea is communication between all of
us when you're read. That's the bottom line with that, folks,
we are out of time. Thanks for being with us tonight,
Jen Mondo three or five Paranormal. Thank you folks for
being here with us tonight. We'll see you next time
on Paranormal Steakout. See you on the other side. Have
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a good night.
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and training, Larry also and keeps an open mind to
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Now Here is the host of the Paranormal Steakhout Radio
TV show Larry Lawson.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Hello everyone, and welcome back to Paranormal Steakout. I'm your host,
Larry Lawson, coming to you from the Southern Command Post
of the ex Zone Radio and Television Broadcast Network in
beautiful Vivero Beach, Florida, where we're actually starting to get
some fall weather down here to Hi. Today was only
about eighty so hopefully to get a little cold let
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next week. But I'm really happy that you're you're all
here tonight. Got some interesting guests. They're coming from the
place where I began my law enforcement career down in Miami,
and an interesting spot that very very few. I don't
hear a lot of folks in the paranormal field outside
of Florida talking about Miami, so I'm really excited to
speak to Jenny and Armando otherwise known as Mondo Gonzalez
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out of Miami, Florida, their husband and wife team who
also are known as three or five Paranormal three H
five being the area code in Dade County. They do
a lot of different things. They put on a lot
of events. They help of host events and various locations
in South Florida. They provide educational investigations at public events
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and education, as you know, is what I'm all about.
So without further ado, I'd like to welcome my guests
Jen and Mondo Jennamando three or five Paranormal Welcome to
the show.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Hi, Hi everyone, Thank you Paranormal Steak Up fans. Thank
you for the invite, appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Yes, thank you for having us.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Well, there's a lot of things I want to talk about.
And as I said, my whole career in law enforcement
began in the Dade County jail. In fact, that's where
I had my very first paranormal experience as a twenty
year kid, and it kind of I still talk about
it today and it's a very very important reason why
I got into all this trying to figure out what
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occurs on the other side. And the funniest part about
it was just the guys that were working with me
that night kind of just blew it off, saying, yeah,
that stuff happened, happens here all the time. And what
I saw, just to let you know, was a figure
walking on the catwalk around the cell blocks and then
they were gone, and I thought it was somebody real,
but nobody was there. So that's enough about me. I
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want to hear more about you. My fans, my listeners
would like to hear more about you. Tell us what
is three or five paranormal? How did you guys get
into this field?
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Three or five paranormal, Like you mentioned, is comes from
the area code, the original area code of Miami, Florida,
and we are from Miami, Florida, so paying homage to
our place of birth. And I started in a paranormal
because I always had interested in paranormal and the supernatural,
because I had stuff happened to me since I was
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little that was paranormal, so it's normal for me. I
grew up with that. And when we dated, I kind
of mentioned it to him a little bit that he
might see things or you know, he knew I believed
in a paranormal, and eventually something happened to him. Wow.
We started living together and saving up for our wedding,
and then that's how he ended up. I don't know,
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being in a paranormal.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Too, getting involved in it. That hold on just a
second here, little technical difficulty there, sorry. So one thing
about Miami that I don't think a lot of people
appreciate is the cultural melt thing pot that Miami is
and that's not just different different cultures, it's different religions too.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
At my law enforcement work, I spent a lot of
time actually teaching law enforcements in my area here, Santaio, Palomembe,
things like that. Did that have an effect? And those
are what we referred to as Afro Caribbean cults or
religious groups down there? Did that have an effect on
your interest in the paranormal? Any of that?
Speaker 4 (05:31):
I say that was for me. I grew up in
a town called Sweetwater, so it's a little Nicaragua there.
It's very Hispanic melting pot. Now it's Cubans, Colombians, Venezuelans.
Back then it was more I say, Cubans a little
bit Colombians and people from Nicaragua. And yeah, we had
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botanica's all over the place. And I was used to
walking into those places when I was little, you know, first,
when I was young, I see and I'm kind of like,
this is weird a little creepy, but I guess I'm
used to that. It's normal to me here and there's
botanic gas all over the place in miam.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
What is a botanic for? For folks that don't know
what a Botanica is Could you explain that just briefly.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
So it's a it's a shop, a little store that
sells religious items for ceremonies people who practice Hudu, voodoo
and santaia Hm and you know, they have religious statues.
I guess if they they want to do some type
of ceremony, like different type of herbs and like candles
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and a whole bunch of stuff. Let's go there.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
And the interesting thing about it is it's a mixture
of both ancient religions from other countries and Catholicism mixed
together in most cases. So so that that is very interesting.
And that's one of the aspects about Miami that I
just don't think a lot of folks have are aware of. Sarmando,
tell me about your first experience. Man, you you hook
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up with this nice lady here. She tells you to
be careful that somebody might be watching. So what happened?
Speaker 3 (07:10):
So yeah, it's just you know, we're dating at the
time and she tells me this, and you know, I
just she's a beautiful young woman, still is, and you know,
I just I'm like, yeah, you know, okay, that's that's me.
I've never experienced that, So I don't know what that is.
You know, I know about you know, South Florida sports,
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I know about video games and things like that, but paranormal, Okay,
I don't know what that is. It wasn't until I
had my very first experience. And funny that you mentioned
sance aria, so I guess at a location that we
resided in unbeknownst to us, there was a satanic or
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note satanic, excuse me, a santoria, a ritual that was
done and it kind of up the pretty much our
living arrangement. But my very first paranormal experience, I was
playing a PlayStation waiting for Jenny to get home from work.
And to make a long story short, we had a
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like a living room area attached to our bedroom, and
I was playing on a futon, and what I felt
was I felt all of a sudden on my left
side of my body really cold, like if I walked
into a walk in freezer, so like if you were
halfway in, halfway out.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
That's what I felt.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
And then I started hearing the springs of the futon
going down, and I can see an impression of somebody
sitting right next to me, so I can see it,
I've sensed it, and I can you know, hear it.
At that point, I had my fireflight kicked in. It
was either I'm going to acknowledge you or I'm going
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to do option B, which is what I chose to do.
I'm just gonna to keep on playing like you in
hope to God that you leave. And that's exactly what happened,
and just a lot of questions and curiosities things like
that arose from that. Jenny kind of like as a
date night thing, kind of bought like tickets for us
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to go and investigate one of our favorite locations now,
which is called the Deering Estate. I'm not sure if
you are familiar with that, but that was the very
first location that Jenny and I investigated together. She's been
on investigations before me, but that was the very first
place that we investigated together. So that place means a
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lot to us because that's essentially what started Jenny Mondo
pretty much as far as three or five paranormal and.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
I loved it. I loved it.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
And then fast forward and during a future investigation, I
felt a cold spot and that brought me back to
my very first paranormal experience. And I was able to
answer one of the questions I had about the paranormal,
and that kept me going onto there.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
That curiosity was peaked.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
So how many years ago was this? How long ago?
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Ooh?
Speaker 2 (10:13):
The no? How how Mondo got involved? And had they
happened to him?
Speaker 4 (10:19):
So we that was when we were saving up for
our weddings. So we got married in twenty eleven. Oh,
it's definitely like twenty fifteen years ten over fifteen years ago.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Actually interesting. So Jen, how did you explain this to
this nice guy that you're dating, you're planning a life with,
but he's got no experience with the paranormal and we don't.
I don't get a chance to talk to folks that
was able to doctrinate bad word, but introduce is the
word I'm looking looking for to somebody in the field.
How did you explain this to him? How did you
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make it make sense to somebody that's never had that
kind of experience.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
I think at first it was just asking him if
he's ever had an experience, like any ghost experience. No,
and then more like indifferent and I'm like, okay, so
let me tell you what happened to me. So you know,
if I tell people things I don't know at this
point if they think I'm crazy, but I'll be like, oh,
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I would say like what I feel sometimes, Oh I
feel this, or hey, I saw that. We've been on
vacation and I've seen full body operations one that I
would even think it's somebody but it's not. And he
knows out. So I'll constantly tell him my experiences. Then
he's just like, Okay, that's cool. And I always used
to have him watch like the shows with me, the
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original back in the day, ghost Hunters and stuff like that.
So it's one thing seeing it on TV. But then
when he went to during State and got to like
actually investigate in some places and see the tools firsthand,
like that's a whole other thing. So I think that's
what made him like, oh wow, yeah this is very neat.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Yeah did you I mean, did you have to spend
a lot of time kind of explained to him this
is what I think it is, or he just accepted it.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
He just accepted it, and then he knew that I
like scary movies and horror movies also, or we kind
of like both like the same thing. And I love
October all all time, and just Halloween stuff. So he
was just like, she's fine.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
You know, when did you have your first experience? At
what age?
Speaker 4 (12:23):
I would say five six? What I have for first?
Speaker 2 (12:29):
What happened? What happened? If I may ask, yeah, no, no?
Speaker 4 (12:32):
And I saw what was a blue ball. It's got
like not by that big, and it was in a
corner of my closet. The closet door was closed, and
it's on the corner of my closet door like covering.
But I woke up. You know, I don't know why
I woke up, but I just woke up and then
that's all I see. But it was blue, It's not
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like a white ball. Orb in the middle was very
like more solid. But the more I got to like
that edges, it was kind of like transparent. So I
just stayed there looking at it and close my eyes
and thinking it would go away. It didn't go away.
Then I started like covering my head. That didn't work.
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Eventually I kind of like hopped out of the bed
and ran out the door and tried to knock on
my parents' room. They didn't want to listen to me
that night. They literally were like, go away, And I
was like, oh my God. So I just kind of
stayed on my parents' bathroom floor that night, and that
was my first that I can remember. And I've had
other things, you know then, like I would hear my name,
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I would see shadows when I was take a shower,
lights going on in my house, and that same in
that same place. So it was just weird.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Interesting. Do you think it was the building? Were you
able to able to find out what caused us?
Speaker 4 (13:55):
Not? Really? So that was in a trailer park. I
lived in a trailer park in Sweetwater when that happened.
And just what happens that trader park is now being
demolished so recently this earlier this year, that trailer I
went back to my trailer to try to investigate it
and do some EVPs while it was abandoned now and
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just kind of went there and asked what it was
that that I experienced. And all I did was ask
the question like what did I see when I was little?
Like what was that all? And it answered, you know,
we got an answer back through through the EVP.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Well not let me, let me let me put it
put a hold on you here, because we've got to
take our first break. But folks, stay with us with
Mondo and Gen from three or five Paranormal as we
begin to find out about the birth of three or
five Paranormal and where you guys are at today. So
stay with us. We'll be back after this break. So
we are back. So we we now have an idea
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how how uh Gen conned or forced Mondo into this film?
Just kidding, but about your EXPERI and how you got
into it. But how about the birth of three or
five parent normal? When did when did that become a thing?
How long ago? And what caused you to kind of
create a team.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
So during COVID, I had a lot of videos and
I was like, I don't want to keep it on
my phone, to be honest with you, So I just
created a page just to upload my pictures and whatever
we did and where places we investigated. And that was
really how I got started online and just to showcase
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like whatever we got. And so I will say during
COVID was really the time I had time to do
all that, create, create everything. And then about twenty nineteen
I already had the page and probably since then.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
So do you and you actively investigate? How many investigations
do you do, say in a month or a year.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
This year has been slow, but we were doing once
a month with like the events that we were helping
out with with another team here in South Florida and
and more towards the end of the year, that's when
it's like really active. It's like, you know, every other week,
but it's throughout the whole year, we're every other month
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we're doing something. At this point, we have actually an
investigation tomorrow at not tomorrow, Saturday, Saturday to a place
that you mentioned we're gonna be. We'll be back there
because that's our that's our local haunt. We're very close
to that place.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Gold Coast Train Museum, which does have quite a terrification.
And you made a comment to me about it's not
all that well known, and you're right, it's not, and
that we heard about it through some other folks and
it's supposed to be a very very active place and
it's a huge train museum. And uh, and we're we
as a team, we're heading down there later in November
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ourselves just to check it out. But I understand it's
quite quite active. How often do you investigate that that facility?
Speaker 4 (17:06):
What was the last time we went there?
Speaker 3 (17:08):
The last time we were there was I believe it
was August, July or August.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
It was July or August.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Definitely. We used to go there quite often, but then
the in the beginning of the year, the events there
started slowing down.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
A little bit.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
But we were going there before. I would say, if
not monthly, every other month. But that is our definite,
like favorite place locally here in Miami to go and investigate.
It also helps that it's like a thirteen fifteen minute
drive from us, but yeah, it's easily one of the
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most haunted locations down here in South Florida.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
Easily that not a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Well, would you agree that investig You've got to investigate
a place more than once to get all of the
data out of it. You just can't go once and
expect to get everything. Would you agree with that?
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Oh yeah, yes, definitely. And another thing as well is
let's say you go somewhere the very first time and
maybe it was a little quiet. I would encourage you
to go a second and even a third time if possible,
just to be able to formulate a good opinion on
said location instead of just hey, I went here, it
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was slow. I'll never go there again.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
Because you're not giving them a real shot.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Well that that actually brings up a good point about
conducting investigations. First of all, let me start by asking
what is your purpose? What is your reason for investigating?
Speaker 4 (18:46):
I say, for me, it's just I guess more since
this is something I've grew up with, I kind of
feel like I understand more spiritually and like the other side,
or like what spirits intentions are some places, or just
in general by investigating, I like to see help people
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at this point, is just I want to show people
that they don't have to be scared about investigating or
spirit It's not Everything's not a demon like everybody likes
to click bait on. I want to show people that,
you know, it's maybe's your family member coming back trying
to show you signs. Not everything has to be scary.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Yeah, I want to add to that. I think as
far as for me, my purpose originally was just solving,
not solving, answering questions that I had about the paranormal.
Why why is this thing? Why why does this piece
of equipment work versus others? But it's slowly kind of
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like transformed into a different purpose for me, just like
Jenny was saying, is educating the masses as far as
like not to be fearful and things like that, but
just to take it a step further from me, there's
a lot of spirit out there that at one point
in time they were human. They want to just be
able to communicate with somebody or just be heard have
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their story heard. So I think that helps them, and
in essence it kind of like helps us to to
be able to communicate and.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
Share their story and yeah, see why are they here.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
There's a lot of there's a there's a spirit that
has been on TV here in South Florida and in
a location it's called the Billy House, and yesterday Village
said TV show gave him a bad reputation. But we've
investigated there a few times and I can tell I
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if spirit likes him or likes the investigator or not,
because you'll always get shouts, screamings, curse words, things like that.
If you talk to them respectfully, like they're like Larry
and I are having a conversation, you get full on
conversations with said spirit. And we noticed the difference. So
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from there, we started treating all spirits with respect and
we've seen we've garnered a lot of great results because
of that. Where we don't get the typical screams and
curse words, we get conversations.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Now, so what do you think this is? Mondo? What?
What do you think? Who do you think you're talking with? Who?
What is this phenomenon? Do you have an opinion on it?
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (21:32):
That see, So Jen and I have gone down this
brabo hole quite a few times. It's always serious, it's
it's yeah, of course these aren't and and by any stretch,
we don't want to make it seem like we are
masters of the paranormal or professionals. It would be irresponsible
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to call yourself that because this is a field where
we don't know all the answers. We are trying to
learn more. And that's why I like picking the brains
of other people in different locations, because maybe they see
things through a different perspective.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
That I haven't seen or noticed, or things like that.
But we have.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
One of our theories is we're investigating and we're doing EVPs.
But what if the other side is investigating and doing
EVPs as well, and they're hearing us and we're hearing them.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
Okay, I'll give you my theory.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Okay, hold on, hold on just a second, because this
is interesting. So are you suggesting Mondo that this is
not necessarily communication with a spirit that maybe have has
passed this light and maybe it's in a different plane
such as heaven. Or are you saying it's just a
situation of dimensions where they're living their life here just
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like we are, and you're living like somehow we're crossing.
Is that where you're going with us?
Speaker 4 (22:58):
Welcome to our rabbi.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Okay, okay, your turn, Jen.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
Yeah, So I I have a theory I think that
is happening in some cases. I don't think it's like
that in all cases, but I do think we have
kind of maybe encountered that where maybe I'm startling them.
They're doing their own thing, and I walk into them
and they kind of like veer off because we've seen
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shuttle Uh scary. And then I'm like, you know, same thing,
trying to communicate it. Did we scare you?
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (23:34):
And I'm like okay, like you know, like if they're
doing their own thing, and that maybe I'm thinking that's
why they don't know. Sometimes they don't know they're dead,
you know, they're they're wondering, like like coming to me,
like the others.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
You know, yeah, it's a great movie, but but are
they from what you're describing, are they dead or are
they just living in a different plane. And I find
this conversation interesting because and I actually I'm happy to
hear this because too many people say I have the answer,
I know, and you hit it right on the head Mond,
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and we don't know, we don't know all the answers.
But what I'm here, both of you saying at some
different level is this isn't so much talking to Grandma
who passed away six months ago, as it is just
maybe crossing different planes.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
M Like, That's why I think sometimes when we start
talking about residual energy and like a new oh, every
time at one pm, somebody's doing this at the same time,
and that's why you always hear knocking. Maybe that's they
are doing that at that same time, and then we're
disturbing them. You know. That's so I started going to
start thinking about a whole bunch of different things.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Yeah, it's it's it's a lot of questions that need
to be answered, you know. And that's why Jena and
I will never classify ourselves.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
I'm pretty sure I'll be a professional when I hit
that place there you go.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
I've always said I've always said that I will well
know what the other side is like when Abraham Lincoln
pulls up a chair, sits down next to me and said, Yo, Larry,
this is what's happened on the other side. At that
point we'll know. But we don't have that. So and
I'm going down a bit of a rabbit hole here.
So how do we get away from folks that say
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this is the answer, this is what it is. What
do you say to folks like that?
Speaker 4 (25:27):
I don't know what would I say?
Speaker 3 (25:30):
It's It's difficult because at that point I don't want
to feel like I'm judging somebody on what it is
that they have.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
You know, again, it just goes by. Is it concrete?
Is it? Do we really know? The answers, No, we don't.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
We can tell you we investigated this location and we
got these type of responses and things like that, but
it's difficult to quantify somebody else's experiences and things like that.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Right, do you think that people experience have these experiences
differently based upon their own emotional makeup, their own vibrational frequency,
if you will, Do you think that changes how people
are saying things.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
I believe, So I definitely believe. Whatever you come into
a location, your energy, whatever you bring in. If you
want to see something negative, you might experience something negative.
We don't go into places looking for negativity or demons
and stuff like that, and we don't get anything like
that type of experience. You know, everything to me is frequency,
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is vibration. So you're getting back what you put out.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Jenny was harping something on me when I first became
you know, into this as an investigator. Set your intention,
What is your intention? Why are you doing this? Be
strong in what it is that you're saying. Set your boundaries.
It's very important that that is done because you don't
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want to open the wrong doors and things like that.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
So it's it's yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
When you say open, when you say open wrong doors,
can you open up a door that leads down a
path that doesn't lead to good things? Shall we say
I'm not talking demons because we're not were origin side,
We're not going to call it that. But can it
open to evil?
Speaker 4 (27:38):
Yes? Yeah, negative attachment because that was your intention or
or or just it's say, if you don't set up
a protective boundary, I would say, or you're not strong
in your faith or your mindset. That's something a low
LEL lower energy type of entity can manipulate you or
try to attach yourself to you, wants to leach off
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of your energy or something you know.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Well, what is just even piggyback off of that. That's
why Jenny is also total folks. He if you're feeling sick,
you shouldn't investigate. If you're going through a rough time
let's say, family, work, et cetera, shouldn't go and investigate.
You should only investigate with a clear mind and things
of that.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Nature completely well, and of course, if you start feeling
ill during an investigation, you got to you gotta get
out of there. Well, I got another rabbit hole I
want to go down in just a second. But we're
about ready to take our next break. So if you'll
hang with us, and folks, you'll hang with us too.
What a conversation from folks down in Miami. More to come,
So stay with us, paranormal stake out. We'll be back
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right after these messages. Welcome back everybody to this this
next section here now, just to recap a little bit,
I get a hear from you, folks, that your your
basic premise is that perhaps we're dealing with dimensions. I'm
not saying that's your only belief, but that's your your
primary foundation, would I be correct? So then that being
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the case, where's the evil that we were just coming
and talking about. Where's that coming from? In your opinion?
Speaker 4 (29:15):
I think they have their own realm there there. To me,
there's different There is different dimensions, and they have their own.
From what I understood, I guess they they are maybe
on the same plane as us, maybe just right under,
but you know, there's different planes and they have their own,
and sometimes they can cross over to ours. Obviously, maybe
(29:36):
we're crossing into theirs and we don't even know it,
and just right moment, right time, we hit that same
frequency and we can see them, or they can mess
with us or vice versa.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Yeah, it's it's all energies and vibrations and things like that.
That's typically how like EVPs and things like that work
because of white noise, and that's how we're able to
hear them. You know, why wouldn't there be a scenario
where like this where perfect place, perfect time.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Boom And that's actually something I'm working on exactly there
it's amazing you mentioned that. Is there a religious connotation
to this at all? I mean, obviously a death going
to heaven that all becomes what we're used to in that,
particularly Christian religion, but also in many other different religions.
(30:26):
Our soul leaves our body and goes somewhere else when
we pass. Do you think that has an angle with
this at all? A connection with this at all.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
So, I'm of Catholic background, and I was raised Catholic.
I'm still I still believe in my religion, and I
think I think a lot of from what I've seen.
I guess my experience, our experiences. Whatever the person believes,
what I gather is whatever the person believes when they're alive,
(31:01):
say they were really there's a heaven in hell and
if I don't do good, I'm gonna go to hell.
We've experienced spirits where they don't want to cross over
because they don't want to be judged, like they literally said,
like they're scared. They don't want to move on.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
The elevator's gonna go down instead of up, is what
you're thinking.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
Yeah, so they'd rather be like just I don't know what.
Maybe that's their purgatory. They're just in the dark all time.
That's what they tell us. That's what we've gotten as.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Responsible we've gotten, as a like an EVP response, that
they were scared of the consequences of their actions while
they were alive.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Yeah, and that's why they didn't want to move on.
But those same ones, some of them have asked us
to pray for them, so, you know, maybe they're tired
of it, or maybe they if I'm saying and during
an investigation, you know, you don't have to be scared.
You can move on. You're gonna be okay, you know,
And maybe they've asked for prayer, so and others just
don't want to they like they like the dark. So
(31:58):
there's a mixed bag, you know, just like there's a
lot of different different type of people in life, dark people,
happy people, like people. I think it's the same type
of site, type of scenario in the spiritual world.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Interesting, and then the bottom line comes down to we
just really don't know the answer at all. It's the
bottom line, and and that's I think where so many
people get in trouble when they think that they know
the answer. Now, Jen, you've talked a lot about feelings.
Do you consider yourself a medium at all?
Speaker 4 (32:31):
I feel like I know I wouldn't say I would
not call myself a medium, but I feel I am sensitive.
I seen spirit, I hear them, I can send them
at times, and so during doing this, you know, investigations,
I'm sure it's it's made it easier or it's open
(32:52):
it up. But I've this is something I've dealt with.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Yeah, and I'm unlike I'm like Mando. Experience wasn't until
I was an adult, whereas I think, you know, as kids,
you almost become people that have experienced as children, they've
accepted it a little bit earlier. Now here's one more
rabbit hole. I'm going to throw you down just for
a second. How much of it is in our is
our own mind? How much of it is us perhaps
(33:18):
with the hitting the untapped resources of our own brain.
How much of that could be causing it or is
it not causing it at all?
Speaker 4 (33:27):
In your opinion, I've experimented with that, I will say
during I've tried to We've tried to do EVP sessions
where asked a question and then I'm thinking of the
answer to see if that comes out. During the EVP
I've done We've done that with spear boxes and I've
(33:47):
done it. You know how people use the.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Cat ball, Oh yeah, yep, yep.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
I've done that myself. I've tried to, like mentally, to
be like you know, trying to make it go off.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
That had some more well we had. I got to
tell you this quick story, although you're the one that's
supposed to be the interviewed, but I got to tell
you this story. We were doing an event. We were
doing an event with a gentleman named Brian Kano. I
don't know if you're familiar with Brian at all. He's
been around for a long time and a great guy.
We did an experiment down here in Fellsmere, Florida, where
we went into a room and everybody was thinking about
(34:21):
one word, and the word was banana. And you thought,
you think about a banana, how it smelled, how it tasted, banana, banana,
banana for a solid minute, and then they turned on
the tape recorder and everybody stayed silent, and dang if
we did not hear the word on an EVP banana. Now,
(34:42):
to give you a pause, there doesn't have as to
the untapped power of our own brain to maybe influence
some of this. And I don't even think it necessarily
say making it up as much as it is just
maybe enhancing it exactly.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
I have one to throw it back at you from
that theory. Now throw it so you know how they
say spirit can you ever get when you're doing a
session and you get the response even before you even
asked the question. So what if they're you know, spirit
is knowing what you're doing and like, you know, reading
that thought and then they gave you the word bana.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
I don't know. Once again, we don't know, but the
fact that it occurred, the fact that it occurred has
got to give us some pause to look at other
things and not just put blinders on and say that
little that little bump in the night was aunt Ertrue
trying to tell me she's still here. It could be
something else. So all right, Thorn, you under enough enough
(35:40):
buses for a minute here, I want to know when
you guys are investigating, what type of equipment do you use,
what do you do with the equipment, and what do
you do with the evidence that you collect?
Speaker 4 (35:52):
So equipment, we have all types of equipment, rams, MFS, cameras, audio,
depending on a situation, on where we're at is what,
depending on what we will use. We'd always like to
do at least an EVP session and a spear box
session because I like to get the interaction of back
(36:12):
and forth communication and where we do with our evidence.
If I have enough time to go through it, I
will post it on my zoo.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Always the tough part. Yeah, yeah, well, that's why we
only do our EVP sessions stop at two minutes and
then we listen to it right away, so that you know,
if we get an answer, we can respond to it.
And also who wants to sit and listen to the
radio the tape recorder for four hours solid? It gets tough,
So I totally understand that. So you you catch something
(36:45):
on your on your digital recorder, okay, what do you
do with it? Do you keep it? Do you store it?
Do you uh? Do you ever compare it to other investigations?
Do you and as a whole, do you take evidence
you've you've obtained in one investigation and compared to others
(37:06):
with the hopes of maybe finding a commonality or a
thread between the two if it's.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
In the same location. Yeah, we'll definitely keep track of
that because if we go to a location long enough
or more than a few times, we don't know maybe
certain spirit's name, the history there, and try to, you know,
build a story or see what is it that they're
wanting to trying to tell us. But I normally, if
(37:33):
it's good enough, it's a class A or something that's
something you can understand that I don't have to really
show you what it is. Yeah, I will tape it
and we just keep it as evidence.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
You ever refer back to it later or have you
ever had the need to refer back to it later
to say, I think I heard that same answer at
this location. Have you ever had that happen at all?
Speaker 4 (37:54):
Yeah, definitely, like it where the Reddle House is at
and Yester your village. It's a living museum, so there's
different houses there, and we've done that with one location
and one building there in the same answer in another
building or I found, you know, it's like they move
around and we've gotten the same story trying to make
(38:15):
a story from from that location.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
That was one of the original questions that I had
when I first started. I didn't know if spirit was
kind of like condemned to being in that one same
property all the time. The spirit there is is one
that showed me that he could appear in any of
the houses in said location. He's not just stuck in
(38:38):
the Riddle house. So he's talked to us in a
building like a quarter a mile away. So it was
cool to answer that question for me personally, and you know,
learn more like that.
Speaker 4 (38:55):
Yeah, if we're getting new names, you know, say if
it's a little boy that's there, we get new names,
and then later on we'll try to talk to that
person again and get more information like how they passed
or what is their story. It's always it's always like
you know.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
Book as a matter of fact. Yeah, so we would
jomp down notes and things like that. So one time
they were cleaning up and they happened to go into
the second floor where there was a children's room and
in the blocks, like the letter blocks, was felt the
name Michael, and we had Michael written down from a
(39:28):
previous investigation at that we've seen that. So yeah, that's
why it's good to keep a journal or a log
or or at least your evidence in videos in categories
and things like that.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Have you ever have you ever considered adding both weather
and solar weather information into your investigations to see if
there's you're getting more activity on a full moon as
compared to a quartermoon or something like that. Have you
ever considered doing that or do you do that?
Speaker 4 (40:03):
I don't do that, but I didn't notice the events
that we were doing or like helping at normally would
be around or on a full moon. So I did
notice that, and I was wondering if the people were
planning it that way. You know, that was my own
train of thought. But we do notice as far as
like the weather it's really rainy or the stormy, you know,
(40:26):
it is like more ramped up energy and full moon
sometimes I feel like, yes, it might be you might
feel more electricity like an air more energy, but not
necessarily always.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
Yeah, and everything's relative, but the moon is. For the
longest time, people have been able to connect the lunar
pattern with crazy things that are going on. That's sort
of the term lunatic came from, for example, because of
you know people and as a cop, trust me, full
moods used to drive us nuts.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Now, are most of your investigations yours or are they
part of an event?
Speaker 4 (41:10):
No, it'd be both. The ones that I normally put
online there is from ours, yeah, and if it's from
an event, it might be a little clip. But I
like to we do our own stuff.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
Yeah, okay. And when you do events, you say they're
more educational. What do you what are you trying to
impart upon the folks that you're you're working with? What's
your what's your message to them?
Speaker 3 (41:33):
First?
Speaker 4 (41:33):
How to use equipment correctly? You know, you don't want
to use a k too, and then your phone right
on it. And then you're getting all this false readings,
you know, showing maybe what they see on TV isn't
necessarily what what could be happening in the background that
maybe they don't know, And we can show them, say,
if I have a walkie talkie, I can show how
(41:54):
a ram trips through walking. They don't even know how
to go, oh wow, that does work like that, you know,
stuff like that, So they opens our.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
Mind more like hmmm, open the mind. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (42:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
To me, it's funny because we've done adults and we've
even done middle school children. So for the adults, for
the adults, it's like, oh yeah, I saw Zach Beggins
do this, and then for the middle school kids, it's oh,
I've seen.
Speaker 4 (42:20):
That in Sam and Kobe.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
And it's like, well, guys, this is how it really,
you know works.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
And when we get back, when we get back from
our break, because we're got about ready to take it again,
I want to touch a little bit on TV versus reality,
So folks, stay with us Jen Mondo three oh five
Paranormal What a show. See after the break and we
are back for a final lines. So, boy, this has
gone fast, and I I've got so many more things
I want to talk about, but I do want to
(42:48):
mention folks if you want to learn a little bit
more about what I'm doing down in Florida. Uh, you
can go to my website at Indian River Hauntings dot com. Uh,
you can check us out on Facebook and our YouTube
channel which is at the APT simple Indian River Hauntings
two three four one. So if you want to say
a little bit more about us or what we're doing,
check out out. Also, cannot say enough about the X
(43:13):
Zone Radio and TV Broadcast Nation check them out at
x Zone Radio and TV dot com for all the
great programming. Well, we've talked a lot a lot today
and we've started to get into the TV end of it.
First of all, do you think that the TV shows
have been helpful to the field. What's your thoughts on that?
Speaker 3 (43:34):
Yes, because I do, because it's helped bring more attention
to it, whereas people are more accepting of the paranormal
than as before it was more like a hush hush
thing and you didn't want folks to really know about it.
I think it's more culturally acceptable nowadays versus when the
folks first started.
Speaker 4 (43:57):
No, yeah, I totally agree.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
Well, do you think also that it maybe has brought
folks into the field that have become serious investigators or
researchers or do you think we would they would have
found their way into the field anyway. That makes sense.
Speaker 4 (44:14):
At least for the urban urban explorers, because a lot
of a lot of people who are urban explorers end
up kind of being investigators because of what they experienced
at abandoned places. Maybe for them they would have maybe
stumbled into it. But others I've seen, you know, there's
people that go into it because it's the fad, it's
a new thing, and they just want it for fame.
(44:37):
But I think maybe they get they die out quickly,
or they get bored of it, you know, depending on
it's it's it's good in.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
This bad it's. It has its ups and downs. But
I think in a lot of ways it has helped
bring it into into the forefront. I totally agree with
you on that one. Now, we've talked a lot about
ghosts the spiritual world. We've talked about dimensions too, and
that leads me to this next question. Do you folks
investigate or have an interest in dealing with cryptids or UFOs? Yes, okay,
(45:09):
that's that's a loaded answer, Jen.
Speaker 4 (45:12):
No, Yeah, I'm all into that.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
Okay, Well, what have you experienced either with UFOs or
cryptids and do you think they're connected with the with
the ghost phenomenon for lack of a better term.
Speaker 4 (45:25):
Well, I don't think I've experienced, uh, we haven't experienced obviously,
no cryptid like Bigfoot or dog Man and stuff like that. Here,
I was always interested in aliens as a child. I'm
not sure that's something that had to do with maybe
what I seen. I do think they exist, So.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
I don't know what you think. What I think is
if if we believe in the paranormal and we have,
you know, evidence that we've gathered that the parent normal
is real, the paranormal is normal. What makes us think that,
you know, cryptids aren't real, UFOs aren't real, you know
(46:09):
universe that Yeah, we're the only people in the universe,
you know.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
So you know, does this enter at all into the
dimensional theory that we talked about earlier? And you could it?
I mean, as it possible.
Speaker 4 (46:25):
I believe so. I think so because I would believe aliens,
I guess or extra terrestrials could tap into our dimensional
r space from people who've had experiences as being aducted
or you know, other experiences where they lose track of
(46:47):
time or something. I don't know what are they what
they're experiencing, but where they're even going and they that
back you know who knows.
Speaker 3 (46:54):
I think that helps, uh like answer Bigfoot as well,
because he just goes and warps in between different times
and locations things like that.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
Well, that that certainly has been a theory that that
Bigfoot yahweh or whatever they want to not yahwey, I
forget what the other name for this, but bigfoot yetti,
thank thank you all has this ability to jump back
and forth and that's why we never find any of them.
And certainly that theory has been gaining strength, but do
(47:27):
we have proof of that yet?
Speaker 4 (47:30):
No?
Speaker 2 (47:31):
No, So how how are we going to get the proof?
How are we going to prove that this is a
dimensional or it's just something that's we're making up in
our own mind. How do you think we're going to
find that answer?
Speaker 4 (47:42):
I don't know. I would like to personally invest. I
want to go out to like the woods and investigate
that myself. I've been trying to kind of set that up.
Maybe what if I can talk to a bigfoot in
a spear box? Why not? I don't know, Let's try
that out and see what happened. I just think it
just hasn't been done yet.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
Yeah, okay, and it isn't that Really The answer is
we've got to keep expanding our minds and trying different
things to either prove or disprove. See the world I
come from, I can have an opinion that this person
committed a crime, but until I can prove it in court,
it doesn't really matter what I think. So that's kind
of where I see us going with this. This leads
(48:22):
me into the biggest question I've wanted to ask you tonight.
The Miami Mall incident. From a few years ago. That
is something that still pops It's popping up on the internet.
We're still seeing people question it. What do you know
about that incident? It created quite the stir And I'll
(48:42):
be honest with you. I saw the pictures and when
you see about thirty cop cars, thirty squads in front
of the mall, something's going on. What do you guys
know about that incident?
Speaker 4 (48:54):
As far as for us, to me, that's normal in
Miami if something goes down for like people.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
Not a great publicity comment for Miami.
Speaker 4 (49:03):
But that's true. But as far especially down there, like
in Biscay area. Yeah, and that's very a touristy spot,
so you're gonna want more cops there anyways. And that
that is the that is the biggest police department here,
I think, if I believe Miami and Apet down there
or City of Miami. So if there is a threat,
(49:28):
especially if that was a large cloud, I think was
it a holiday season? It wasn't a getting Christmas or
something something year's here Christmas And if there is a
threat of an active shooter, everybody's coming out.
Speaker 2 (49:40):
Well, what did you guys hear about the incident? What
did what did in the folks that are in your
circle down there, what did you hear? Because there are
there are talks, there's talks about photographs being taken that
are hazy at best, but there's a lot of people
that are saying something happened, did it or were people
just trying to get their face on the news?
Speaker 4 (50:00):
I think I personally think I heard it was an
active shooter at first, so I understand the police activity
and why it was such a big turnout. I haven't
seen anything that photo wise that convinces me that it's
anything real. I remember I was debunking actually stuff people
were putting up videos. I was, and I ended up
(50:21):
finding whatever video they were putting and it's like some
old video and they're just like trying to use it
or or make it backwards, and I'm like, this is
I don't see And then some places don't even look
at my doesn't look like that like so I'm like, yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:40):
What are your thoughts.
Speaker 3 (50:42):
The more and more I saw, it just didn't jive
to me that that it was alien.
Speaker 4 (50:47):
I think it was just, you.
Speaker 3 (50:49):
Know, unfortunately, someone shooting, and at that time of the year,
that does happen a lot in that area a lot
of shootouts.
Speaker 4 (50:56):
But not only that, but it's just a lot of
younger the younger crowd and the guns that they're not
supposed to have, you know, concealed. You're taking into the
place danger with them trying to shoot innocent people and
just starting a big fight because it's a lot of kids.
Speaker 2 (51:13):
And my understanding from what I heard from my sources,
it was firecrackers that were being shot.
Speaker 4 (51:18):
Off, So yeah, I think so, I think it was
New Year's or something.
Speaker 2 (51:21):
Yeah, But in your opinion, the paranormal community in Miami,
have they rendered an opinion at all?
Speaker 4 (51:29):
Have you heard anything the people that we've known that
we've talked to, like, I've asked them and they kind
of laugh at it. They laugh at it, so they
don't believe it. And I know the people I know,
people in different city Miammy and Miami dapet and yeah,
I know they all.
Speaker 2 (51:45):
Yeah, so you heard it here first folks from folks
out of Miami. Nothing to the Miami Mall incident. So
that's that's interesting. As we begin to close up our
time together, it's gone fairly quick. We still got a
few minutes, but I I want to know from you folks,
we've talked a lot about what this phenomenon is, what
(52:07):
it could and couldn't be. We don't have the answers.
Where do you think we need to go? What do
you think that we need to do as a community
to find out what these answers are?
Speaker 4 (52:21):
I would say, talk to each other. Network. If you
go to one place and you've been there, share your
findings with that person and try to see if we
get the same stories, the same type of answers, and
build off of their like, make those connections, don't you know?
Gatekeep I guess, and just you're supposed to be figuring
out this together, so I you know, make it like
(52:43):
a community and work like that. We're only stronger together.
Speaker 2 (52:49):
Is it like that in Miami with the groups? I'm
assuming you you have contact with other groups in Miami?
Is it that way down there?
Speaker 4 (52:56):
I would say more, Yeah, we know groups here, But
I wouldn't say it's like that all the time now,
But I would I wouldn't think it's like that anywhere either.
Speaker 2 (53:06):
You know, what are your thoughts about creating a system
that we're all kind of not doing it exactly the
same way, but we're all using a similar structure with
which to investigate and collect evidence. Do you feel that
that would help us expand may maybe communicate better if
(53:28):
we're all kind of doing, you know, things in a
similar structure. What are your thoughts on that.
Speaker 4 (53:33):
I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (53:35):
If everything was so cookie cutter, then that leaves the
person that's the innovative person, that the person that thinks
out of the box. It takes them completely out of
the equation. If everything is cookie cutter and done the
same way over and over again.
Speaker 2 (53:52):
Well, I'll tell you where I disagree with that, And
it's my law enforcement training because that's kind of what
we do. For example, if I'm working a homicide here
in the Vero Beach area and they're working a homicide
in Spokane, Washington, our structure is essentially the same. We
do some things different than some laws are different, but
we're able to investigate it the same way, and thus
(54:15):
we're able to share information whether they're law enforcement agencies.
So that's that's kind of my thinking on that. But
you're thinking it would take the innovators out of it, then.
Speaker 4 (54:25):
I think so.
Speaker 3 (54:25):
And and the thing is is there's things that we've
learned from other investigators that we would have never even
thought of, and we started using that into our repertoire.
For example, a few years back, when we were first starting,
we learned about recording your portal sessions or your SB
sessions and playing it back, and you start picking up
(54:49):
voices that you didn't hear live in the point rate, Yeah,
you start picking things up. So if everything was cookie
cutter and that wasn't a thing, we would have never
learned about that technique right then and there. If that's
not a common technique, you understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (55:06):
But I do. But that's how you learn by communicating, hey,
I got a better way to do this, and then
you do it. But that can still become part of
the of the structure because let's say, for example, Mondo,
you pick up a piece of evidence, right, and somebody
else picks that evidence something they've done a little differently.
(55:27):
How do you how do you really reconcile the two
if you don't have a similar structure. I guess I'm
looking at it from a from a legalistic sort of
point of view. You know, how do you prove that
you did it? And how did you prove that this
guy this has happened before, and before and before. If
you haven't done it the same way.
Speaker 4 (55:46):
Yeah, I see, I see where you're coming from.
Speaker 2 (55:50):
And I guess and what I got to say, I
gotta sayuse, we're probably run out of time. I got
to watch the whole idea is communication between all of
us when you're read. That's the bottom line with that, folks,
we are out of time. Thanks for being with us tonight,
Jen Mondo three or five Paranormal. Thank you folks for
being here with us tonight. We'll see you next time
on Paranormal Steakout. See you on the other side. Have
(56:13):
a good night.
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