Larry Lawson Interviews - JOHN PRINK - Ghost Hunting

Hailing from New York City, John had a 29 year career as a police officer, deputy sheriff/deputy coroner, detective and criminal investigator between NYC and the San Francisco Bay Area. Prior to his law enforcement career, John spent just over six years in the United States Coast Guard serving aboard cutters patrolling the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans.  John always had a penchant for the supernatural and paranormal. While living in NYC and Long Island, he lived in multiple haunted apartments and his childhood home was haunted as well.  After retiring from police work in 2015 John went on a ghost hunt with a local paranormal team in Alameda, CA and was instantly hooked!


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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:09):
Welcome to the Paranormal Stakeout Radio TV show with Larry Lawson.
As a former career law enforcement officer and law enforcement educator,
Larry focuses on the use of tried and true law
enforcement investigated techniques in conducting paranormal investigations. Despite his experience
and training, Larry also and keeps an open mind to

(00:31):
discussions on topics that deal with evidence that are not
quite as physical in nature. Paranormal Stakeout guests are professionals
in the field of the paranormal and parapsychology, conducting the
investigations and research needed to further the cause of paranormal study.
Larry advocates an agenda of standardization of structure and training

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in the field of paranormal investigation and research for the
purpose of one day being able to produce the evidence
needed to convey evince a jury of the existence of
the paranormal. Whether it is ghosts, UFOs, unsolved mysteries, hauntings,
or cryptids, no topic is beyond the investigative reach of
Larry Lawson and the Paranormal Steakhout Radio TV show team.

(01:15):
Now Here is the host of the Paranormal Steakhout Radio
TV show Larry Lawson.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Well, hello everybody, and welcome back to Paranormal Steakhout. I'm
your host, Larry Lawson. Welcome you back. After gosh, it's
been been a while, but this is the beginning of
season three and I'm very excited to be back with
everybody here. I hope all's well. It's the Halloween season,
what a great time to come back. And got a
great guest tonight and I think you'll enjoy it. But

(01:57):
he's going to be one of a string of guests
that you're going to see over the number of episodes
that we do, folks that are going to really tantalize
your interest in the paranormal, maybe get you interested in
doing some research and joining us on some investigation. So
with that, I'd like to introduce my guest. His name
is John Prank. John from New York City. He was
a cop over twenty nine years, twenty nine year career.

(02:20):
He is a police officer, a deputy sheriff, a deputy corner.
We'll talk about that a little bit. Detective and criminal investigator.
Both coasts from New York City all the way over
to San Francisco area, California. But prior to the being
a law enforcement officer. He spent time serving our country
in the United States Coast Guard, so we thank him

(02:40):
for our service. He retired in twenty fifteen from the
law enforcement field, moved down here to Florida about twenty
sixteen and actually got himself interested in the paranormal by
connecting with a group and doing a paranormal investigation and
some of those we're going to hear about today. John's
also spent some time doing some acting, some modeling, and

(03:03):
some other radio works. So with that, I'd like to
introduce my guest, John Prank. John, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
Thank you, Thank you for having me. Appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
Yeah, so you're You're my first guest for season three,
and I'm very excited about because you have some really
really interesting stories. So I'd like to introduce my audience
to you. Tell them who is John Prink? Where do
you came from? Where do you where'd you how'd you
get interested in this field?

Speaker 3 (03:31):
Oh? Wow? Well, I'm a New York City native born
and raised. The first, I think the first time I
was actually involved in something that was sort of paranormal,
I was about five or six years old. I lived
in these apartments that were old un housing out of
late Success, New York. It was in the Queen's Borough
of Queens And I remember as a kid, I talk

(03:53):
about this. I'm writing a book right now and I
talk about this in my book, how I always sense
that there was something going on in my apartment and
I don't know what it was. And you know, when
you're a little kid, you don't necessarily have info. Nobody
tells you what a ghost is. Nobody says you know this,
you know this is what it is, and this is
what you're going to say. You have no idea. And

(04:14):
I remember being in my bedroom at night and there
was always an apparition that came into my bedroom. I
didn't know if it was my mom or my dad.
It could have been, but it didn't appear like it was.
It appeared something different than that. I mean, I knew
what my mom and dad looked like, obviously, but I
wasn't sure exactly what it was, and I didn't know
why it was there. And then you fast forward, you know,

(04:36):
several years in the first experience with death I would
say that I had was my grandmother passed away at
the age of fifty four from cancer. Right. I'm nine
years old at this point and didn't quite understand that
Grandma wasn't coming back. You know, they say she passed away.
Where did she pass away to It was a question
I always had. I had no idea what that meant,

(04:57):
passing away. I just knew that she wasn't with us anymore.
I understood died. And you know, then we fast forward
even a few more years now. I move into a
house that was one of the WPA projects built in
the late nineteen thirties on potato fields on Long Island,
New York. And growing up in that house, there was
an element inside that house that just it couldn't be

(05:20):
explained to me initially, and I understood through some research
throughout the years that someone had committed suicide in the
house in the attic, had hung themselves, and this kind
of I was trying to understand what was going on.
There was a part in my house. I had a
room in the basement. Okay, we lived in a very

(05:42):
very small house. My parents can only afford to build
me a room in the basement. So up until about
like eleven or twelve years old, I was sharing a
room with my sister. So when my parents built this room.
They built this room in the basement, and it was
about half of the house underneath the house, well, there
was a portion of the base when you came down
the stairs. It was a little like reading area hallway

(06:04):
kind of a thing. And one half went into my room.
The other half went into the other side of the
basem where the wash or dryer, you know, boiler and
all that stuff was in the furnace. And there was
a pattern on the floor that was always in the
shape of an H. It was on the cement and
it was on the tile when they put the tile
down on the floor, and then it came through the

(06:25):
carpeting when they put that down. It replaced the carpet
in multiple times, and it was always this H pattern.
And I never quite understood what was going on. But
every time I walked and I stood in that H
pattern there was it was a chill that came over
my body. And it wasn't until a few years later
when I was because I moved into this room and
I'm like, you know, eleven, twelve years old. It wasn't
until I was about seventeen eighteen, got to getting through

(06:47):
high school and then having all this information about this
person hung himself in the attic at a house that
I understood that when I'm standing in that H pattern
on the floor and looked straight up, it's directly over
the eve where a piece of rope was found in
the house where this man apparently hung himself. So my

(07:07):
thinking is, Okay, is this the shadow effect of a
body hanging. I didn't understand that. I figured it could
be well many years later, fist forwarding into my corner's job.
When I was a deputy sheriff, I was assigned to
a corner's bureau out in California. That is exactly what
I would see when I was looking at a body

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and I would look under the body. It was sort
of an H pattern from the shadowy lighting. Yeah, it
was really really creepy. It was really creepy. But there
was all sorts of stuff. You know. We would hear
noise in the house. I would hear banging, you know,
it was pretty typical voices as if someone who was sung.
Because sometimes I was at the house by myself when
I was an older teenager. My parents would leave us

(07:48):
alone if they went out to dinner, but I would
always hear something going on in the house, and I
could never quite explain what it was until I got
this information from the neighbors that this had transpired in
the house. And it was some time during a late fifties,
maybe the early nineteen sixties, and I don't My understanding
was was that this gentleman was one of the architects

(08:10):
who designed the you know, there was like maybe a
half of a dozen floor plans, right, so this was
one of the guys. He purchased a house. He designed
it himself, but he purchased a house. And I remember
talking to my next door neighbor. There were two brothers
that lived next door to us, and they were the builders.
They were part of the contracting team that actually built
the houses, so they were the ones that explained this
to me, and they described how this guy had was

(08:33):
dressing inside the house when he lived in the neighborhood,
and it was exactly who I had envisioned. Now, I
don't know if I'm psychic, don't I don't know. Maybe
I'm Psychicist's going to ask you.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
I was going to ask you that question, if you
realize you had any abilities.

Speaker 3 (08:48):
I must have something, you know, because I remember describing
what I thought I was seeing inside the house, and
it was a man probably in his forties, white shirt,
black pants, close you know, crop haircut, and an eyeglasses,
you know, black plastic frames like somebody would have worn
in the nineteen fifties or nineteen sixties. And when I

(09:10):
described that person, the neighbors were like, whoa, that's the
guy that lived in the house. And I was like,
I blew my mind because I was I had never
met this person. I didn't know who he was. I
had no idea anything about what this guy might even
look like. And I'm describing what I'm what I'm envisioning,
and that's what they're telling me, you know, they're kind

(09:31):
of confirming what I what I was thinking. So I
mean that was like sort of like the the second
probably scary thing that happened to me. The first was
like when I was a kid living in the apartment.
The second scary ruin was my house. And of course,
you know I lived in I grew up in that house.
I lived in that house the time I was like
nine to nineteen when I went to the Coast Guard,
when I went to boot camp, you know, following my

(09:55):
military service, I got out, I was I became a
transport in New York City. So I had been I
was going to the academy and I lived in this
apartment that was built. I found out it was built
I think at like nineteen thirty one. And I talk
about this in my book extensively, but just to give

(10:16):
you the brief synopsis of it, there was I believe
that there was a child running around in the house.
I would It was a two story walk up building
with two apartments on each floor. My apartment on the
second floor was kind of unique because all of the
apartments were actually one bedroom apartments. But mine was unique
because at some point, I don't know when, but at
some point they took the bedroom from the apartment in

(10:39):
the front of the building and gave it to my apartment,
making mine a two bedroom and turning that one from
a one bedroom to a studio. And yeah, so we
had the sextual bedroom and I used to use this
bedroom for I had a buddy of mine living in
this bedroom for a little while till he moved out,
and then I used the bedroom as a workout room.
I had my weights in there and just was just
kind of my desk was in there. Storage wasn't really

(11:01):
anything special, but I would always hear when I was
in there working out, I would always hear noise coming
from the hallway and the door was like to go
out of the apartment was right right there, like within
like ten five ten feet. I'd open the door, and
it sounded like somebody was running up and down the stairs.
This is to figure a typical New York City building
where you had the buzzer that you pushed on the door,
and we would buzz you in. Right, so I would

(11:23):
hear the bell ringing occasionally right, I would hear the
door just opening and closing and slamming, and then I
would running in the hallway up and down the stairs,
and there's nobody there, nobody there.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
Were you ever able to determine who this might have
been or did you see anything?

Speaker 3 (11:38):
I did? And when we first moved into the apartment,
we had all sorts of issues with paint running off
the walls when we first painted it, lighting coming on,
Like my wife and I at the time would leave
the apartment, go to dinner, go out, and whatever, turn
all the lights off. We come on all the lights
around the apartment. I'm thinking somebody might have broke in
or the landlord's messing around. I wasn't anything like that,

(12:01):
and we would notice certain things were out of place.
One day, I'm in the kitchen getting ready to go
to the academy. We used to go to the academy
in ships and it was one of the days when
I was working a four to twelve, so it's mid morning,
would just before I'm get ready to get on the
train to go into Manhattan to go to the academy,
and I'm sitting at the kitchen table a cup of coffee,
and I'm reading my homework for our lessons for the

(12:22):
day over the kitchen sink where old wooden doors that
had plexiglass, you know, inserts in them. Well, one of
the doors opens up and I catch it out of
my eye. I see the door open up. I was like,
what is that? And a couple of wine glasses come
out and they were in the back behind other glasses.
These glasses come out, get into they drop, They hang

(12:44):
for a second in midair and drop into the sink
and shatter, and I'm like, I will what is going on?
I'm going, okay, poulter Geist, I got something going on
in here that it's just trying to get my attention. Well,
with all this activity going on, I'm thinking, Okay, this
has got to be like a child or something with
the running up and down the hallway.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
And you know, I got to put you on hold
here because we've got to take our first break for
a second, but we can come back. One of the
things that I'd like to chat with you about is
how often did this occur from the time you were
a young child up and now you're into the police academy?
Was this a Did this happen continually during your life

(13:23):
during this period.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
Only in the places where I only in these three
and three locations where I lived. Yeah, it wasn't like
an everyday thing. Were there were periods of time where
years had gone by where I didn't experience anything. But
when I did experience something, it was dramatic.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
And we're gonna we're gonna talk a lot more about that,
because you've got some really interesting stories and I particularly
want to know if you've had anything happen And I
already know the answer to this while you're on the job.
Oh so, folks, we're gonna go ahead and take our
first breaks. Hang with us. Paranormal stakeout my guest tonight,
John Prink, see on the other side of this commercial. Uh,

(14:14):
and we are back with my guest tonight, John Prank.
Interesting stuff. Now, I've talked to many people who explained
their first experiences with the paranormal were as a child.
I didn't. I did not have any anything happened to
me when I was a youngster, But you did. Do
you think a you were given a gift or do

(14:35):
you think that young people in particular just have the
ability to have a more open mind and see it.
What are your thoughts on that.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
I think it's actually both. My recollection of it is
is that it was I couldn't explain I was about.
That's about the the only answer I could come up
with it. I knew something was happening. I was intuitive enough,
smart enough to know that something was going on, but
I just couldn't answ because I didn't have any answers.
And I remember, I don't remember actually talking to my
parents about it. I never because I didn't want them

(15:06):
to think I was a crazy kid, you know, So
I never really said anything about it. And it wasn't
until I was a teenager that I started explaining stuff
to my mom and dad say hey, there's something going
on in this house, and they just kind of blew
it off. I don't think that they, you know, gave
any credence to it. I just don't think that they
believed it one way or the other. But I do

(15:26):
believe that that that kids can be susceptible to visits,
you know, from the other side, more so than I think,
you know, adults are. And I think it's because adults
get you know, once you grow up, you get experience
and you get skeptical. But kids don't have that. They
don't you know, when you see these kids are talking
to their imaginary friend, maybe they were actually talking to somebody,

(15:46):
you know, maybe something's really going on there.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
And there there's been one hundred thousands of experiences along
those lines.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
Also.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
So now you're in the police Academy for the New
York City Transit Police, which now is part of the
regular and YPD. Correct, YEP, any experiences as a you
graduate the academy, any experiences as a young cop that
you couldn't explain that funny feeling like don't stop this
car right now, or you know, wait for your partner

(16:15):
to get there before you go into the bill anything.

Speaker 3 (16:18):
Well, I was going to finish that one story real
quick because I did have an experience in that apartment
that led me to believe that there is actually something.
I mean, that was that solidified it for me that
there was actually something on the other side. And it
was the first actual experience I had with a full
blown and not only a full blown apparition, but where
I was actually touched and I felt it in that
same apartment. I'm not sure that the time. It was

(16:39):
sometime alone when I was working as a cop, so
I might have been like six months or a year
into it. Sleeping in bed one night, I'm sleeping on
facing a closet door. I wake up and the closet
door opens by itself, and out of the closet comes
this little girl, a little girl dressed in period like
nineteen twenties nineteen thirties clothing, which which would fit because
the apartment was built in thirty one. So she comes

(17:02):
up and she's walking up to me, not floating it,
I mean, it was like she was actually like walking
to me, and I could see her hand come out
in her hand touched mine, and when her hand touched mine,
I felt it, and I remember jumping up, startled, screaming,
like what did I just experience? My wife looked up,
she goes, what's going on? And I told her what happened,
and she says, yeah, she says, I've been experiencing the

(17:23):
same thing with this, with this you know, whatever it is,
with this little girl. And that for me was was
like a defining moment. I was just like, Okay, there's
there's something out there. And I always had had this
interest in it, but I never I never experienced anything
when I was on the job in New York. I
worked in Brooklyn and work in the trains. I never

(17:44):
experienced anything. You know. Occasionally we'd get a da on
the train or somebody would be hit by a train,
you know, as sad as that is. But outside of
you know, making a notification or we didn't really do
too much in assisting as in patrol. We would call
emergency services and they would come and get the body,
or you would just call for you know, ems, they
would come and take the body to the hospital. You
might go to the hospital, you know, get the guy's

(18:06):
effects or something. It wasn't we didn't really get too
far into because at that point the EM's office would
come and take the body from there. So it wasn't
It weren't homicides that I dealt with when I was there.
It would have mainly been just natural death or someone
hit by a train. It wasn't until I moved to
California where I was working a small municipality, the Oakland
Hill is a city of Piedmont, and that agency I

(18:30):
got the opportunity. It was a lot of elderly people
living in that in that city, so you know, occasionally
somebody would expire, you'd have to go up to the
house notify the coroner or corner would come out and
take the body. It was not anything, you know, any
anything weird or anything paranormal in that respect. It wasn't
until I signed onto I had applied for. When I

(18:50):
got to the I was at the Sheriff's office up
in Solano County, which is a northern California county's right
next to Napa County between Oakland and Sacramento. To kind
of give a reference points an agricul Cultra County, Good
County to work for him. Had a great time up there.
I spent just over about eleven years in the county
working as a deputy. But the deputy sheriff in California,
out of the fifty eight or so counties that are

(19:11):
in California, they run a sheriff corner concept, and there's
all sorts of variations of it. But in our county,
the deputies were actually the deputy corners as well, So
you were regular farm badge, gun, the whole big thing,
and you worked as a deputy corner as well. So
you would go out to whatever whatever scene you had
handled business. And one night I had a call of

(19:35):
the car accident, and I get out and California hundred Patrol,
famous Chippies, the chips HP, they're out there. Guy, it's
a da He's dead in a doornail from his crash.
Put the toe tag on, I put the guy in
a body bag. I get him back to the morgue.
I have his personal effects now, So what I'm getting
ready to do is just run down to the property room,

(19:57):
drop these personal effects off, and then I was going
to go back. I was gonna take fingerprints and photographed
the body for the pathologist the next morning in case
he came in and wanted to do an autopsy. So
I had uh, we had a removal team that we hired,
these two guys. It was a we contracted with the company.
So they came, they picked the body up, they brought
him into the into the morgue and ran them into

(20:18):
the cooler. There's a big room. Wasn't typical like you
know most people think were the drawers that slide out
of a wall. We didn't have that. We actually had
just an actual room that had shelves racks, and we
had a basically like a forklift that we had picked
the bodies up and stack them. Well, this guy we had,
they the removal team that just brought him in and

(20:38):
put him on the gurney and he was in the cooler.
I walked down the hallway, did the property thing, and
then I started hearing noises. Now you got to remember
this is I'm the only corner, the only deputy corner
in the entire county. There's like, you know, one hundred
thousand people are still living in this guy, I'm the
only guy on the job one corner. Yeah. Right, So

(20:59):
it's a mid the night, there's nobody in the corner's
office except me. It's three four o'clock in the morning.
I thought that maybe the noises I was hearing, and
it was possible that the back wall, one wall of
the corner's office also backed up to the kitchen of
the jail, which was basically behind us and the actual
county jail, so it could have been inmates yelling. I'm thinking,

(21:21):
but it's like four o'clock in the morning, probably be
too early for these guys to be up preparing and breakfast.
I don't know, but I'm hearing noises, figuring out it's
just the inmates, you know, doing what they do being inmates. Well,
I'm still hearing this noise. I come out of the
out of the property room and I look down this
long hallway and this is a series of offices. It's
a couple of labs and a tissue room in this
and that, and then there's the door, the stainless steel

(21:44):
door to the moor that has a glass window on it.
As I look down into this window, in the window
is a full body opperation. I mean, it's just it's
like as if there's someone standing there. It's not a shadow.
It looks solid to me. I'm thinking, you know, we
wore black uniforms on patrol, so I'm thinking to night,
I'm tired. Maybe one of their deputies came in is

(22:05):
screwing around, or maybe it was one of the removal
guys that was forgotten something and he was because they wore,
you know, basically a black coat and tie kind of
a thing, you know, to look I thought maybe it
might have been one of them. As I'm walking down
this hallway. This hallway is you know, fifty feet sixty
feet long. Before you know, you pass by these other

(22:26):
doors before you actually get to that door, and the
inside is an autopsy suite. There's an xtray room on
one side, but you got to go through the entire
autopsy suite before you get to another stainless steel door
with a window on it that is actually the cooler,
the more room. Basically, I see this thing, and I'm
walking down the hallway towards and I'm like, oh, I

(22:47):
want to see this because I'm thinking, here, I got
my first full blown apparition. I'm psyched, you know. I
start walking down there and it suddenly dissipates, It just disappears,
and I was like, no way. I opened that door.
I walk into the morgue and I looked through the
morgue and I see the same thing in the morgue door, okay,
and I'm like, all right, there's something here. There's something

(23:09):
going on here. I walked to that door. I popped
that door open, and it suddenly disappears. That door slams
behind me. And it's not a problem because we can
get out, obviously, but that door, it was just kind
of weird how it slammed behind me. And there was
a sense inside that room that there was somebody either
standing behind me or right next to me. And it

(23:31):
was just a really weird, creepy feeling, and that the
hair on my neck was standing up on I hat hair,
and I was feeling, all right, I'm experiencing something. This
just going on. Okay, let's take this as far as
we can take this. But I wanted confirmation. I reopened
that body bag to make sure, because maybe that guy

(23:51):
was declared dead at the scene, but maybe he's not
really dead. I don't know. I unzipped that bag, and
that guy is dead. He's definitely dead, Okay. I zipped
the bag back up, and I'm going to go out
of the cooler, and I still feel this presence behind me.
I walked back down that hallway to go back into

(24:11):
the property room to make sure that I, you know,
make sure I put everything where it was supposed to
be locked up, this guy's personal effects. And the only
thing I could come up with was maybe this guy
didn't realize that he was dead. Maybe he was like, hey,
what are you doing with my stuff? Why am I here?
What's going on? You know? So here I am talking
to nobody. I'm trying to explain it away, saying, hey, dude,

(24:33):
you know, yeah, you're really dead. You were killed in
a car crash, and I'm just putting your person effects
away so that I'm actually explaining this to somebody I
think is there, but there's nobody there. And in the
rest of the morning, I was like, you know, five
o'clock in the morning at this point, I'm still typing
up my report. I'm ready to go grab some breakfast.
And I had to work the next day too. I
was working a seven to five shifts, seven am to

(24:54):
five pm shift, so I had to be up all day,
and I just kept thinking about it and thinking about it,
and every once in a while I would go back
to the cooler and unzipped that bag and double check
I must have did it a few times, and I'm like,
you know, this guy is definitely just definitely did I'm like,
but it was a creepy experience, so much so that
I had explained it to an organization. I was working
with a paranormal group called Blood Moon Paranormally we're out

(25:17):
of Orlando, and Connie, the lady that runs that, I
explained this to her. I was telling her all about it,
Lo and Behold. She sends me a email and says, hey,
I pitched your story to a Canadian television station and
they're interested in it. They want to, you know, do something.
They want to film it. I'm like, hey, that's cool.
So I wrote an episode and I explained exactly from
start to finish what happened, and I sent it over

(25:39):
to him. They bought the idea, and I was on
an episode in twenty eighteen filmed in Miami of Paranormal Emergency.
It was kind of fun too, because the guy that
they had that was up in Canada that played me
in the story was actually a bald guy with a
goatee and glasses went and I had the same kind
of corner coat that I had. I don't know how
they found this guy that looked like me that they did.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
Did he have hair?

Speaker 3 (26:01):
Did he have hair? No, he had no hair. I
had no hair at the time either. I was, you know, going,
I've been bald like this for twenty years, at least
twenty five years. I started shaving my head when I
was losing it. You know, I'm Italian, so it's like
my on my mother's side, and that's what happens with
the hair. It goes, and I was like, now I'm done.
You know, it's like, you know, just you know, you
get that two where it starts to recede back and
you're like, yeah, I'm done with this. It's like I've

(26:22):
had enough of it.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
So getting back to the Corner's office, did you share
the story with anybody else you worked with? And had
anybody else said yeah, you know, I had something happened
to me anything like that at all?

Speaker 3 (26:34):
I didn't. I didn't at all. No. I kept that
one to myself. I really did. I don't imagine that
there were you know, maybe there were people in the
corners offices that were having other experiences like that. I mean,
it's entirely possible, but nobody, nobody ever shared anything. Yeah,
in my book, I go into multiple cases that I

(26:56):
worked that stuck with me. You know, we had it
was a small but we still had somewhere between twelve
and thirteen hundred deaths a year, and the homicide rate varied,
you know, depending on the city, and you know, high
suicide rate, high SIDS death rate. I started questioning myself
too with that because I at one point during my

(27:16):
career in the corner's office, I started having a lot
of SIDS deaths and not being able to explain what
was going on. I actually put myself through a child
abuse and it was a combined Child Abuse Sexual Assault
Investigation class down in Riverside, Riverside, California, and I went
to that for that was like a week long class
just so I could get some more knowledge on, you know,

(27:39):
what happens with kids. But I had I talk about
a lot of that in my book, about a lot
of a lot of cases like that.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
And we'll hear more about your book right now. We're
getting ready to hit our next break. I want to
talk a little bit about the teams that you were
involved in, some of the differences and some of your
thoughts about what this entire phenomenon really is, So stay
with us. We're about to take this next break, So
stay with us and we'll see you in just a
few minutes with my guest today, John Prink, be right

(28:09):
back and we are back for the next segment. And John,
you've had a really interesting career in that last story.
That that last story is very interesting. I got to
asked this question, any possibilities reflections were in play, maybe

(28:35):
uh overtired any chance of any of that at all
in what you saw or experienced.

Speaker 3 (28:41):
I don't think so. No, I don't think so. Everything
was very, very real, and I think a lot I
had to do with the fact that my mind was
open to it at the point. You know, I was
never I was never skeptical of anything like that. I
don't think. I don't believe we have the answers saying anything.
So I was never, never skeptical of it.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
Well, I noticed that you didn't really start investigating formally,
if you will, with the team until you got to
Florida about twenty fifteen or so. Got that when I
got there.

Speaker 3 (29:10):
Well, yeah, true, but I had one investigation I did
right after I retired in twenty fifteen. I wanted to
explore more with paranoral investigations. And I went on one
investigation with a group I can't even remember their name.
Now this is like this ten years ago, but we
investigated in Alameda, California, a Elks lodge, an old Elks lodge,

(29:34):
and there was several murders in there. There were several deaths,
unexplained deaths in there. And I went through with this team.
There was I had to be ten or fifteen people
on this team. They broke us up and I went
with this gal that was running it. Her and I
paired up and she was showing me the ropes basically
EVPs cameras and stuff that they had just all kinds

(29:54):
of interesting equipment at the time, right, And I didn't
really know all that stuff was. And I think just
a lot a lot of this is prior to a
lot of the TV shows that you see on there
now are now you see how people do it, but
prior to that, there wasn't anything like that. And I
went through this alks lodge and I think that was
the very very first say, formal investigation that I went on.
But true, I didn't really start to get into it

(30:15):
and gain momentum until I moved here to Florida and
I moved to Florida about a year after I retired
in twenty sixteen, initially up in Gainesville area, and I
was looking for a team and it wasn't really much
in the area, but there was one in Orlando that
I got involved with, and it was blood Moon Paranormal
and I went on multiple investigations with them, just countless

(30:36):
and it was all residential investigations. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
Yeah, I knew very few residentials myself. But let me
ask you a question, because I constantly, very commonly, I
get request from folks, are you looking for folks to
join your team? What did you do to connect? Just
that other folks are hearing?

Speaker 3 (30:58):
Magic of Facebook? The magic of Facebook. Actually, I started
researching on Facebook. I mean, what do you do you
look in the newspaper or the you know, you don't
look in the Yellow Pages for paranormal investigator. And it's
just I found these folks on Facebook. And I reached
out to Connie and told her a little bit about
myself and what I wanted to do, and she was like,
oh yeah, she was fired up. So I went and
worked with her. I still remember the team, I just

(31:19):
haven't worked with them in a number of years, mainly
because I wanted to get out of the residential investigation
stuff and I wanted to do after seeing a lot
of stuff on television. Basically, I wanted to get into
the commercial end of things, you know. And I ended
up doing that.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
When I'm what what do you mean by the what
do you mean by the commercial end of things?

Speaker 3 (31:39):
Just like a place like Waverley, like I would like
to go into like a hospital like situation like that,
or a jail or you know, or a you know
what I mean, just like commercial buildings, commercial buildings, Yeah,
historical spots, Okay, I see, yeah. And I ended up
getting involved with Galba the name of Nicole Treblsi and
she was running Unveiling Paranormal. She changed the name to

(32:00):
Elemental Voice Paranormal, which we currently are. She was down
in South Florida and her and I. The first investigation
I went on with her was the Train Museum in Miami,
which is an absolute blast. That was that that place
is that's haunted, That is definitely haunted. I mean, we'll
get down there and look at that place again. You'll

(32:23):
you'll know, I know, you'll talk a little a little
bit about that about that I guess, but that place
is very is definitely haunted. And then I went up
to lake Worth with her to a playhouse in lake
Worth and I did that. I actually did Yeah, the
Lakeworth Playhouse. I actually did that twice and each time
it it didn't disappoint. There's something going on inside the

(32:45):
Lakeworth Playhouse as well. So then she had moved to
South Carolina and she's handling part of it up there
with a team up there, and I'm down here in
Florida trying. I was trying to do my own thing,
but it just it's not it's not coming off like,
you know, like I thought I would. I'm just not
able to put it together. So I started branching out.
I said, well, maybe I'll look into an established team,

(33:05):
which is what led me to contact you and see
if I could, you know, at least be a guest
investigator if nothing else, to get out there. And I
wanted to check out some more locations around Florida. Whatever
is whatever you need me for.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
Well, so let's let's talk about the teams for a second.
You've been a part of two, we've actually investigated with three.
Now differences and similarities between them, what are and your philosophies,
and what I'm trying to get at is it seems
to me that everybody has a different reason for doing
this and a different procedure, if you will, on how

(33:40):
to find the answers. What are the differences of similarities
between these teams you've seen so far?

Speaker 3 (33:48):
Differences mainly as equipment. You know, I'm very basic. I
tend to go out with a flashlight, put my hands
in my pockets and just walk around and see what
I feel, see what feels creepy. If if I don't
get an immediate, like creep out feeling when I walk
into a room, I step out and I go to

(34:08):
another room. I stay quiet. I don't generally talk to anybody.
Some of the people I was working with some of
the other teams are very boisterous, you know, boisterous, voysterous.
They yell, they they scream, they you know, some are quiet.
Some will sit in a room in a corner and
just see what happens. They don't they don't acknowledge anybody.

(34:31):
They don't, you know, talk to anybody. That don't do anything.
I tend to, like I said, just walk around and
kind of get a feel for the place first and
see what I think the hotspots. And then I ask
the staff or the owners of a home basically, where
is where are the hotspots? Where do you think something's
going on? And if they tell me, I'll focus on

(34:52):
a certain room. Otherwise I I'll bring a camera with me,
just a very simple video cam, and I have caught
stuff on that and I'll just set it up and
I leave it. I don't, I don't, I don't touch it.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
So you're not really an equipment guy. You don't like
all the gadgets I do.

Speaker 3 (35:10):
I actually do. I think that. I think they're I
think they're great. Because now when I'm working with Elemental
Voice Paranormal, we had the one of the uh thing
that I really liked was the ghost bell. I thought
that that was that that was interesting because it's a
you know, it's a it's basically like a like a
hotel and old fashioned hotel bell, just a little round
chrome bell with a button on top. And anytime someone

(35:32):
gets near it and they dig it right, somebody must
be there because it's a mechanical thing. It's not it's
not electronic, not electronic GisMo in that respect. It's more
of a mechanical thing, something something has actually touch it
to make the sound. So yeah, so I like that,
but I do. I'm not opposed to equipment at all.

(35:53):
I mean, I think it's a welcome anything, you know,
because I don't know. Go back to the spell for
a second. So you know you've got some piece of
equipment rempod that will go off if something breaks red
the ball of energy that it puts out k two
meters mail meters all react to something in the air.

(36:14):
But you're telling me the bell, which I've seen, but
I have not used it physically. Somebody has to hit it,
is what you're telling me. It's so I would, Yeah, somebody.
I had one at the first time I ever used
one was in Miami at the Training Museum. And we're
sitting in the presidential car last used by Reagan, as

(36:35):
I recall, And we're sitting in the dining room section
of this of this train car asking questions. You know
who's here this that I'm John, you know, and you
come and talk to me, and we were asking questions,
just random questions. I can't even remember what they were
at this point, just random questions, you know, one for us,
two for no, and we were getting responses to the
bell similar to like what you would get if you

(36:56):
were trying to record with an EVP, you know, on
a order, you would get a response. That's how That's
the responses that I was getting. And I was like,
I like this, say, this thing is actually kind of cool.
And we just used it and it worked out great.
Even used it in the Lakeworth Playhouse. We had had
amazing responses with a Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
So what what's your two part question here? First of all,
what's your goal? What do you what are you looking
for when you investigate? What is your purpose for investigating?
Maybe it's a better way to say it.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
I like the feel of it. I like I like
being able to contact who's ever on the other side.
If they can't, if they have questions, maybe we can
give them answers. I like to be able to prove
one way or the other that there's something there. A
lot of a lot of folks that think that they
have something in their house or that there's something in
a building. I want to be able to help them

(37:49):
out and try to find answers for them, you know,
kind of can confirm their suspicions.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
What they Yeah, yeah, the answers yeah, So in finding
the answers, you've got to collect what do we do
as cops evidence? We collect evidence? Do you collect the evidence,
do you do anything with the evidence, do you compare
the evidence? Or what do you do with the evidence
you find at an investigation?

Speaker 3 (38:16):
It usually if when I was given it to Nicole
or over to Connie, usually they would they would post
it up on Facebook and or YouTube, you know, they
would the would post whatever they photos, video, eedps. Those
those three things I think were the main thing that
we would put up there for you know, the public

(38:37):
to check out and say, hey, this is there's something there.
So yeah, but.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
Is it ever do you ever use evidence for one
investigation and compare it with another investigation at all to
maybe try and find some similarities or anything like that.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
Absolutely? Absolutely, typically yeah, typically, Yeah. I mean I'm starting
to see similarities in every investigation that I go on,
not only the you know, the shadow figure, a full
blown apparition, you know, a mist the orbs that we
see floating around, uh, you know, especially the voice phenomenon.

(39:13):
I find the most fascinating actually being able to talk
to somebody and getting an intelligent answer when you ask
a question you know, being whether it's you know, whether
it's angry or not. Yeah, what what is this?

Speaker 2 (39:27):
John? What? What is it that we're looking for? What
do you think it is? What's your philosophy about what?

Speaker 3 (39:34):
I think when we leave the physical world, we probably
step into another it's another plane, and we have a
fourth dimension, a fifth dimension. I don't And we even
talked about this too, you know, the idea of frequency.
I remember you and I having a conversation about that, Like,
you know, are we radio receivers? You know, it's just

(39:55):
like you know that sparks something I'm thinking about and going,
oh my god, Now I got to get a tinfoil hat,
put the tin, you know, maybe I'll pick up something.
But seriously, no, I there's something out there that we
don't have the answer to, and we won't know the
answer to until we get there, which is unfortunately too
late because we can't relay it back to you know,

(40:15):
this side of the world unless someone asks a question.
But yeah, there is there's something out there. I don't
think we know what it all is. I don't think
we have all the answers yet. And I think as
time goes on and our technology gets a little bit better.
We're going to be able to find those answers. I
think a little bit easier. I mean even now just
looking the last you know, ten years or so, what
all the equipment that's out there and what investigators are
using compared to say, you know, a century ago, when

(40:38):
they used to have seances, you know, trying to they
didn't have the technology we have now. They only know
what they heard or saw.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
What are we using the technology to get better or
we just reinventing the same old stuff. That's that's a question.

Speaker 3 (40:51):
That I have. I don't I don't think so. I
think it's just it's for confirmation more than anything, one
hundred percent. I mean, if you're you're hearing something, but
you can't hear it with your naked ear, but a
piece of equipment that you have can, and it can
it validates what you've got going on. When it validates
what you're trying to do, it's not you know, it's

(41:14):
not you know what I'm making this up is we're
going along.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
And I agree. I guess my issue is, yeah, it
confirms something's going on, but we still don't know exactly
what it.

Speaker 3 (41:24):
Is going on, right, I just don't know what what
happens on the on the other side. But I do
believe that there are things as portals one hundred percent
with mirrors. And you know, I was I've seen Cindy
Kasa twice live doing a show in Orlando. My wife
and I went and we Yeah, she was talking about scrying,

(41:48):
you know, like staring into a mirror and just letting
your mind go. And then she's talking about her automatic writing, right, yeah,
and I there's there's something to that. Is there is
there a possibility that a window or you know, a
mirror is in portal? Yeah, it could be.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
And I got to interrupt you because we're about ready
to take our last break for the show. So hang
with us. Got some more questions to ask folks. Stay
with me, my guest, John Prink, We'll see the other
side of this commercial break. Thanks, and we're back.

Speaker 3 (42:24):
Boy.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
This hour has gone fast, John. It is interesting stories,
but I want to I want to talk a little
bit about the future of the field and and the
thing that really I think brought it to the to
the front of the public's eye was the TV shows,
the radio most of the TV shows. It started with

(42:46):
Ghost Hunters way back with Jason Grant, but actually goes
back a little bit further with that to some of
the There was a show with Leonard Nimoy years ago.
England had one most haunted I think for a while yep,
and into the two thousand and eight nine tens up
until recently. How most people got interested and it certainly

(43:07):
brought our field to the front. It was no longer
something taboo to talk about. For example, when I came
on the job, I'm sure it was the same with you.
It just didn't talk about your experiences. But today it's
pretty common. But the TV shows themselves, do you see
a waning interest in them? I read an article not

(43:31):
too long ago where that was a topic, and I
would like to hear your.

Speaker 3 (43:34):
Thoughts on it. Up until probably a couple of years ago,
I actually did a segment with Dave Schrader on The
Paranormal sixty and we talked about that. I mean, it
was a kind of a topic of discussion. I came up,
and you know, I ended up. I'm thinking that it
kind of died on the vine for a little while,
for lack of a metaphrase, where things amel that round.
I think the television networks got a little bored with

(43:57):
it because it was after a while it was the
same old It's the same old, same old. It's like
just a different group of people doing the same thing basically,
and the locations where they were going, you know, Waverley
comes to mind. It's one of the bigger ones that
I would love to go to and investigate. But how
many paranormal investigation teams have been at Waverley I don't
know countless, right, and it's been televised, so I think

(44:18):
I think for a while there it got a little
a little tiresome. And then while and behold, one of
the networks that I've been watching, Beacon Beacon TV has
new ghost programs on there, so I started to watch
them again, and there's been new ones coming out. I
think there's a renewed interest in it. I mean, i'd
like to hope. I'd like to think so. I hope. So,

(44:40):
I mean, even if there isn't, I mean, it's not
going to prevent me from doing what I want to do.
You know, stopped me from investigating, you know, I'll still
do it as long as I can.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
I don't, Yeah, I don't. I don't think it's going
to stop Folks like us. Who. No, I don't think
I'm doing it, But the entertainment end of it I
find I find it. Is it waaning? I don't know.
I think maybe it is because a lot of the
networks have canceled the shows or have not renewed them,
or are moving on to other things. I don't know.

(45:11):
I just see a lull in it now now. I
say that, But I've been doing tours here in Vero
Beach and Sebastian and out in Felsmanth Florida for years,
and every time I think it's about ready to die off,
it just picks right back up. So I don't know
the answer to that. But you did bring up something
interesting that I also want to get your opinion on
Waverley Hills. There's places that a lot of the TV

(45:34):
shows have gone to over the years, and some of
them had nauseum? Can you fish one of those places out?
For lack of a better way to say it, In
other words, can you do so many investigations at Waverly
Hill that suddenly you're not getting anything?

Speaker 3 (45:49):
No, I don't think so. I don't think. I don't
think it's possible. I don't think it's possible. I think
there's so much activity going on. I mean, I mean,
it's further to the point. Then, why do some people
have the same experience in all these places that they
go to, or similar experiences.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
I don't doubt that, But.

Speaker 3 (46:05):
I don't think you can fish it out. I really don't. Yeah,
I believe that the activity, the activity is there, is there,
and I think you'll always find something. Sometimes you get
luckier than other times. Sometimes I've gone to some places
where I don't have anything going on right, it's kind
of mellow, and then all of a sudden, you have
a spike in activity. I do believe that spikes and

(46:28):
activity can be related to what's going on inside of
a location. I do believe this house I'm sitting in
right now it has something going on in it. The
house is built in nineteen seventy eight. My understanding is
from the neighbors in the area, no one's died here.
But it doesn't explain why I see an old man
in pajamas in my house. It doesn't explain why I've
got activity in the house randomly. I'm doing a lot

(46:52):
of work in my house. I've taken out walls, I paint,
I do all kinds of stuff in the house. Right,
I've done a lot of remindre and they say whenever
you're remodeling or doing something and moving things around, that
spikes up the energy. Also, who knows what was here
prior to this house being built here? So is there
something left over residual from prior to nineteen seventy eight,

(47:16):
prior to this house? But was there was there another
house here? Someone died and this guy don't know that
this house is here. And that's why you're seeing ghosts
walk through walls and not through doors, because maybe it
was a door where the guy was walking through a wall.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
Or maybe it's just the land.

Speaker 3 (47:30):
Maybe it's just a land. Maybe it's just a land.
I mean, I'm sure one hundred or one hundred and
fifty years ago in this area I live in now
was very rural. There was no Interstate ninety five running
through it. There was no Highway five twenty four. You're
familiar with these roads, you know, the ones I'm talking
was no five to twenty. There was no five to
twenty four right us one those roads didn't exist. They
were If anything, there were probably dirt roads back back

(47:53):
at that time. Right, So who knows who was here.
Anything could have happened that we don't know.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
And it's it's my personal opinion that oftentimes it has
nothing to do with the building, but it's the land.
And you're right, maybe just something that is happening that
they don't realize that new house was there at all. Now,
what are your thoughts about? And you bring this interesting
guy in pajamas that maybe shouldn't be there. Isn't it possible?
Do you think that they just wander from place to

(48:20):
place or do you think they stay where they die?

Speaker 3 (48:23):
No, that's something I was wondering about. I was watching
an episode of a Paranormal Mysteries. I knew it's so
new and that Dave Schrader is doing with Shane and
Cyndi Kasam. We were watching that last night and that
that actually that came up where ghosts don't stick around
like we do. They get you know, like we get
in the car and we go somewhere, or we go,

(48:44):
you know, get out of the house and go, Well,
maybe they're doing the same thing. Is that possible? Sure?
Why not? I don't have any reasonablelieve that it's not possible.
So yeah, I do believe that they can travel. And
here's even more to it, I mean even more interesting.
I mean with you know, the bazillion people that have hiden.
You know, as long as we've been spinning around on

(49:05):
this globe, right, is it possible that we're bumping into
people from different, you know, periods of time? I mean,
when when you pass, are you going to be able
to bump into grandparents and aunts and uncles and cousins
from one hundred and some odd years ago you never met,
but you might know.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
Are you talking about time being on one level and
that tap a progression? You're talking about time and being
in one level and not a progression. Is that where
you're going with this?

Speaker 3 (49:37):
It's yeah, yeah, I mean why not? I mean it's
is it possible if a person passed in the eighteen fifties,
I mean, and they're wandering around and here we are
in twenty twenty five. I mean, why if they're wandering
around in eighteen fifty after they died, how came they're
not wandering around out? What is there a I don't know,
it's an expiration date on a ghost? I don't think so?

Speaker 2 (49:59):
Or is it the sense? I guess what I'm getting
at here? Is are these are these dimensions that are
just crossing over? And is that the Is that the
answer to this whole mystery?

Speaker 3 (50:08):
It could be it could be a space time continuum
maybe maybe, So I guess talk a little bit about that. Yeah, Yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
Guess this boils down to John. We don't know what
this phenomenon is, do we?

Speaker 1 (50:23):
No?

Speaker 2 (50:24):
And I get really concerned with folks that say they
definitively know what this is and we really don't know
the answers yet.

Speaker 3 (50:31):
No, we can gather as much evidence as we can
gather compared to other evidence and come up with the
you know, the best possible I don't know, synopsis of
it that that you can come up with. I mean,
I I don't. I don't think we're ever going to
have on this physical earth with us physically. I don't
think we're ever going to have that answer. I I

(50:54):
don't know.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
If then why do.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
We do it? Sheer curiosity? We're humans, you know, It's
like why they climb the mountain right because it's there.
It's it's I just have this interest in it, and
I think there's something to it and if it can
be explained, great, I don't. I just don't know if
it actually can, because I don't have enough information to make,
you know, an informed decision definitively and say, oh yeah,

(51:18):
we're going to figure this out. You know, in the
next fifty years, we'll have this all figure I don't
think so. I don't think so. I don't and I
exact you just touching.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
Where do we go from here?

Speaker 3 (51:30):
Keep on keeping keep on keeping on. It doesn't mean
that I give up on it. I uh, I just
I just keep, you know, searching for the solution. I
think you will get more information as time goes on.
Maybe our equipment will get better, and we'll be able
to gather more information, more evidence, and hopefully come up

(51:51):
with you know, come up with something.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
What do you think we need to do? What do
you think we need to do to kind of get
off this spot where we know what's happening, but we
were not able to get this proof, we're not able
to take that next step. What do we need to do?
In John Prank's.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
Opinion, Oh, you know, I don't know the answer to
that question. I really don't, except to just keep investigating.
Just just get out there and put yourself out there,
get vulnerable, and you know, sit in that dark room
and see if something's gonna come to you. You know.
What's the thing is like a lot of people, you know,
we see these some of these TV shows, and a
lot of people I've been on investigations with will want

(52:29):
the experience, and then they get into it, and then
experience is happening, and the first thing they do is
they run out. It's like, why did you do that?
You want an experience, it's coming to you. Why are
you running out? Stay there? What's the worst that's gonna happen?
If this person's not in this, you know, you're gonna
be like me the first time I freaked that when
that little girl touched me. Yeah, I freaked out because

(52:50):
it was it was unnerving. It wasn't anything that I
actually expected it was gonna happen to me. But in retrospect,
looking back on it, it's just like she was probably
reaching out for help. If she was grabbing hand, it
would be like a little kid grabbing a father's hand, right,
or a little girl grabbing their father's hand. It's like,
I don't it wasn't. I don't think she was being
malicious or bad. It was just something I wasn't used to,

(53:11):
and I was. It scared me, honestly, I was just like, WHOA,
what is that? I'm not supposed to feel something from
something I can't physically touch. I can't. It's not there,
it's not tangible. But it touched me. It had enough
energy that I felt it. So there was something there
and that's what I would like to find out. But here,

(53:31):
you know, that was forty years ago, thirty years ago,
forty years ago. You know, we haven'ten able to figure
it out. So and you know, and I'm sure forty
years prior to that, somebody had the same experience and
didn't have the equipment or the wherewithal or the interest
or you know, there weren't there were probably you know,
I'm sure there were mediums and people did sayances and
that kind of stuff back then, but not to the

(53:53):
extent of what we're doing it today. It's it's hit.
It's hit an apex almost. I mean, right then, just
like you said, it was a little bit of a
waning interest in it. But I think it's starting to
come back. I don't I don't think it's gonna I
think there were people out there who want wanted more.
You know, when the shows are on, there's only a
limited thing that you see. They're probably just hitting the

(54:14):
highlights of what of what that was?

Speaker 2 (54:16):
Actually, yeah, and that's all TV. That's that's entertainment. That's
not even tottly what we.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
Do, right, Yeah, it's probably yeah, it's probably like a
quarter of what actually happens. Yeah, right, sitting for endless
hours inside of a dark room and nothing's happening, and
the minute you get up, something happens, and you're like,
you know.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
I've always equated it to a police stakeout if you will, yes,
see people, it's exactly what TV and movies it's like
full of excitement, bang bang, shoot them up. In reality,
you'll sit there for hours upon hours and maybe get
thirty seconds of excitement.

Speaker 3 (54:50):
Right and that. But you add that thirty seconds to
the myriad of other the thirty second things that you have,
and now you've got hours and hours and hours of
say spec footage, right, and that's something you can build
a case upon and say that's what's going to happen.
You know, we're going to take me to court and
hopefully we're going to get a conviction.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
Exact a case. But to do that, we've got to
collect our evidence, we've got to save our evidence. We've
got to share it too. And in our lot, we've
only got about a minute left to go. But would
you agree that sharing with other groups and other groups
collaborating instead of keeping it all to ourselves, but sharing
it and examining it together. Do you think that's going
to be the best way to solve this, just like

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we would do in police work.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
Oh, absolutely, absolutely, one hundred percent, one hundred percent. Give
up what you have because you don't know. Because you
might have gone into a building and one time you
had a different experience than I had, But it doesn't
mean that you won't have the same experience I had
at another time. You might, you might see something, there
could be similarities, but sometimes you'll have in a completely
different experience to somebody else. I've had, you know, numerous

(55:54):
investigations I've gone on, or somebody's told me they had
something else happening, you know, and I was like, Oh,
that didn't happen to me. This happened. They're like, no,
that didn't happen to me. But we collaborate, we all together.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
But unfortunately, my friend, our time has come to an end.
I really appreciate you being on the show, and folks,
thank you for joining me for season three. Paranor will
stake out and we've got plenty more to come, so
I hope you'll continue to join us. Thank you for
being here, and we'll see you on the other side.
Have a good night, folks,