November 3, 2023 • 53 mins
Karin Wilkinson is the author of Stolen Seed, Evil Harvest. Karin is a regular writer/contributor to monthly newsletters and Karin is a wife, mother, and grandmother. She worked in the software industry for many years before leaving to raise her family. For as early as she can remember, she claims to have been abducted by non-human alien entities — and she claims the abductions possibly to be hundreds of times. Karin claims that she has seen many UAPs/UFOs throughout her lifetime and suffered emotional and physical ailments and had surgeries due to the things that the aliens did to her. Karin “prays” that she can utilize her experiences to glorify God, share the truth, and to help others in any way she can. However, like so many who make these claims of alien abduction or ET interaction, she offered no proof whatsoever that the events in her story actually happened.
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talk to her. There's a lotof terrific experiences. My guest tonight is
Karen Wilkinson. She's an author,a regular writer, and a contributor to
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newsletters. She deals with prophecy,supernatural, FBI prophecy, supernatural, anything
to do with the paranormal. Shealso deals directly with alien abduction and extraterrestrials.
She's worked in the family software industryfor many years before leaving to raise
her family. She's a mother,a grandmother, and also a human abductee
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an alien abductee. I'm sorry,so with that, I'd like to introduce
Karen Wilkinson to the show. Karen, thanks for being here. Thanks,
Larry, I'm just so happy tobe here with you tonight. Well,
I am too. Now, thereare so many people that have had these
experiences, and they come in somany different forms. I find yours particularly
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interesting because your reference to your Christianfaith. Yes, this whole thing started
with you when you were fairly young. Is that how I understand it?
Yes? Absolutely, I was experiencingabductions by non human entities from as young
as I can remember, as earlyas I can remember in my life.
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Mm hmm. Do you know whatit was that? First of all,
why did they pick you? Doyou have any idea? No idea.
I think a lot of it waswho I was, the genetics of who
I was, and that I wasa good fit for what they were doing
I was. I'm an author ofa book, Stolen Seed, Evil Harvest,
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and that book outlines just the historyof what happened to me, why
I think they did it, andhow I was able to stop it.
And that's why my Christian faith issuch an important part of my journey,
because that's how I managed to stopthe abductions. You stopped it, Well,
share with us how this whole thingstarted with you. You said it
began an early age. How didthis happen? I wish I knew somewhere
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along the line, possibly someone gavepermission. I think it was a familial
thing, that it runs in families. I believe that, Yes, I
absolutely do. And I think that'sbecause the genetic materials that they are looking
for, they being the extraterrestrial entities. It seems to be that with specific
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type of genetics, they are ableto do more things. They utilize the
genetic material to try to create hybridentities with them and for other things.
And when you're working with a familyline, you can continue on with that
specific genetic material that they've been wantingto use. I have a rare blood
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type and that runs, you know, in my family with some members.
And it seems that those members arethe ones who were targeted. And do
you have any indication or evidence thatprior family members were also abductees. Yes,
okay, I do, And Ican't speak for those other people.
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It's their choice when they want tocome forward, if they want to talk
about it publicly. Because there's sucha stigma behind it, most people don't
want to come forward and talk aboutit. I'm doing it because I think
it's important to have this conversation.I started this, you know, years
ago and trying to make it okaybecause there's such a stigma behind it,
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and then there's no healing and there'sno way for people to understand how they
can stop it, and people areafraid to come forward and talk about it.
And that's one of the reasons thatI wrote the book. And you
mentioned genetics, so obviously they hadto choose the right fit for them,
if you will, and I wantto talk about who the they are in
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just a couple of minutes. Butdid you have any incidents prior to your
first abduction experience that looking back,you realize, oh, this was they
were testing me, they were checkingme out, anything happened. First of
how old were you? Let meask you, how old were you?
Remember from my youngest memories. Iwas taken in a typical abduction type experience
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that many of the people I've talkedabout have talked with. I'm sorry I
have had the same exact type scenarioplay out for them as well. We
have very similar similar things happen inour lives, which is there's some comfort
in that knowing that you're not alonebecause I've talked to so many people since
I've started on this journey. Well, when you say your youngest age two,
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three, four, easily, yes, go ahead, please, Because
there were certain types of these beingsthat you encounter. When I was abducted,
there would be several of the smallergray entities, usually in the room,
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sometimes at the foot of the bed, sometimes beside the bed, just
depending on where I was, ifI was in bed or whatever. And
then once I was taken and wouldwake up wherever they took me. In
that particular instance, often when Iwas very young, there were these what
people call Nordic type alien entities aroundme, and they look somewhat human,
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but they're tall, they're very slender, they have very light, almost icy
clear colored hair, very icy bluegreen eyes, very pale skin, and
they looked very much, very similar, especially to a very small child like
me at you know, three,four or five years old, like some
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of the members of my family.And so for that side of the family
whom they looked like, I wasterrified of those members of the family.
And no one can understand why,well, you know, and I couldn't
voice that because we didn't have vocabularyfor what these beings were and it wasn't
something anyone had ever talked about.It wasn't something that was you know,
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today there are movies and there areyou know, resources and things that we
didn't have way back then in thesixties. So there was just there was
no vocabulary to even try to explain. And I was very young, so
you don't have an extended vocabulary atthat age. Why I was terrified of
them, but I would just screamwhenever I saw them, you know,
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just terrified. So it started veryyoung, and it was a very common
scenario over and over again of whatyou hear from. And I can explain
the typical induction scenario that I'd likeyou to because was it the same from
the time you were young up untilit ended? Was the same type of
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scenario. It was very similar,absolutely, yes. So it would begin
and I would feel a change inthe room. You could almost I could
almost feel like static or electricity,you know, your hair stands on end.
I could feel a presence, andas I got older, I could
sense evil and more of an evilpresence. And sometimes it would get very
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quiet, like if they were cicadas, crickets, something outside would just seem
to stop. So there are occasionswhere I would hear a very low starting
low and getting lower type hum noise, and then at that point I would
be notice the beings and feel likeI was in a state of sleep paralysis,
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much like what Vicky joy Anderson talksabout, and that from there,
I would either be levitated off thebed and I would go up through a
ceiling or out through a window,and I would see details as a very
small child, especially at like mygrandmother's house, in a ceiling, details
in the wallpaper. There's wallpaper onthe ceiling, the little curls on the
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edges or where it was slightly browned. I'd see the bugs in the dust
and things in the light fixture therewas like a big square light fixture,
you know, and wondering how amI getting so close to this? Where
am I going to go from here? And you've just your body feels like
it's almost shaking, vibrating into athousand million little pieces. And then a
lot of times at that point you'rejust switched off, like sleep turned off
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and or and it would also bethe same when I go towards a window
the window's not open. How amI going through this? Window, How
am I going to? Where amI gonna go? And that was always
the scenario up through a ceiling,out through a window, or I was
switched off before I was actually moved. Question were you physically moved or was
I because I've had some guests beforeit talked about interaction with alien beings,
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but their body stayed in the bedand it was almost like they were astral
projection. They were there. Isthat the type of thing? Or was
your body physically moved at that pointin time? I was being physically moved.
I was levitating. I mean thescariest thing. I mean, as
a little kid, I was terrified. It was levitating off of a bit.
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I had no idea how any ofthis was happening, you know,
and you can't scream because you're ina state of kind of sleep paralysis.
And there are times, especially laterin life, where I've had astral visitations
and astral type things happen, andthose are terrifying too because you're you feel
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almost more helpless because you don't youdon't have your physical being to maybe fight
back with or that, but youdo have your mental capacity so that you
know you have that. But sobut mostly it has been throughout my life
has been physical tangible abduction experiences whereI come back with bruises, burns,
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marks, missing pregnancies, pajamas insideout, just so many different actual physical
ramifications of what happened to me,physical ailments where the doctors can't tell me
how it happened. I've had whatdo when you were when you were a
child, What couldn't they have doneto you? Do you do you have
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recollection of what they did here asa three or four year old? Sure,
and not every time, but forthe times that I remember that I
have memories of and there's snippets ofmemories here and there. It's not like
you always remember the whole thing.And it's traumatizing too so. But and
at a point I did learn toreally separate that. I literally had what
was the equivalent of a mental breakdownaround six years old. But wow,
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well I want to talk about that. We're about ready to go to our
first break. It goes quick.When we get back, I'd like to
talk to you about your family andhow this all is connected you feel to
your family, So folks to staywith us. We've got a lot of
questions to ask, interesting information staywith us. We'll be back right after
these messages. We are back withmy guest Karen Wilkinson, alien abductee.
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Fascinating story, and I find itparticularly interesting that a it began happening to
you as a young child. Manyof the stories that I've heard the victims
were older. So I find itvery interesting that you're a child, and
also that you think it's in thebloodline. Let's let's kind of go back
to that. What makes you thinkor what takes you in that direction that
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it was a they followed your bloodline? Right? What takes me in that
direction is that I've had some yearsto speak with other abductees, other people
who have been taken, and Ikeep stumbling across the one thing we all
have in common is this rare bloodtype, this O negative blood type O
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negative mm hm. And it's notjust like random, it's almost every person
that I personally have spoken to,and when I've asked them, have you
ever talked to anyone else? Orpeople like my friend La Marzouli, who
is how I really got started,you know, getting talking about this,
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has also had that same interaction withpeople as far as blood type. So
I did a little research into it, and I found out that not just
me and the people that I've spokenwith, but others have have reported the
same thing. So and it seemsto me that you know, there does
seem to be a very specific type, and you think about an own negative
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blood type, it's missing the antigenson the outside of the cell, and
that would make that easier to workwith. I can donate my blood to
anyone, I can give it toyou, but if you don't have own
gative blood, I can't take yours, which means it's a blood type that's
very pliable, that you can workwith, that people can utilize in many
different ways. It's very sold afterin that respect, So it would make
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sense if they were searching for somethinggenetically to work with, they would want
whatever would have the most use acrossany other type of blood. So does
do other members or a significant numberof members of your family have ow negatives?
There are a few, Yes,there are. Okay, I understand
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you don't want to. You wantthem to tell their story. Yeah,
I really don't want to. Yeah, as far as telling me, but
WILD will say that I understand thatyour children, Okay, and all about
prior to you prior to me,yes, and my family absolutely, Yes,
the maternal side of my family,I had quite a bit of a
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negative bloodlines. And have they withusing names, have they discussed with you
or revealed to you that they've hadsimilar experiences to you being abducted. They
have discussed strange things that happened tothem over the years, but no one
ever talked about actual abduction experiences,none of them, honestly, I think
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because it was just something that theyweren't comfortable talking about. And it isn't
something that you just start talking about, even with your own family. You
know, you're afraid that you're goingto be laughed at or ridiculed, or
they're going to you know, whatare you talking about? You know,
it's just until recently, you know, in general, people just didn't want
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to talk about it. And nowthat we're having more and more disclosure events
and more and more information coming outfrom the government, not that it's anything
to say much about, but atleast something is happening. There is some
traction now it's becoming more accepted totalk about the subject of unidentified flying objects
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and non human entities. People stillhave a lot of there's still a lot
of negative stigma behind speaking about beingan abductee, and that's something I really
want to try to change well,and I think that's happening too. I
mean, I've had a number ofguests on the show that have discussed this
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issue happening to them or others thatthey know. I want to get back
to the bloodline thing, because youmake a comment in here that you feel
that the aliens are attempting to corruptthe bloodline. Now you talking about the
own negative bloodline in general, orare you discussing humans and humans in general?
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And this is something that goes backthrough ancient texts, whether it be
our Holy Bible, whether it bescroll ancient scrolls and other things. You
can find some excuse me information,But when you go into the Bible,
you see right off in Genesis threepoint fifteen where there sets up a scenario
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in the Garden of Eden where theserpent, then cautious, has already tempted
even she's you know, Adam andEve have now fallen, and the Lord
comes into there and says, youknow, I will put enmity between you
and the woman, and you will, you know, you will bruise his
heel and he will crush your head. Well, that's when the initial attempt
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to corrupt the bloodline to stop thebirth of the Savior, to stop the
birth of Jesus from happening, didn'twork out, obviously clearly, so the
second attempt after the birth of Jesuswas is going on ongoing. And I
believe, and I agree with thelate doctor Chuck Missler and Elie Marzouli and
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many others respect in that field,that there is an attempt to build an
army, if you will, tocreate more of the hybrid type beings,
beings that are not one hundred percenthuman, not one hundred percent well alien.
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Let me let me stop you therefor a second, because that brings
up a very interesting topic. Whatyou're suggesting, or at least what I
think you're suggesting, is that theBiblical references to, for example, Adam
and Eve, which he talks aboutmore of a spiritual event with Satan.
Are you suggesting that was actually aconnection to alien worlds? Well, I
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yes, I think you have tolook at this way. The entities that
we're dealing with are not they're aliens. Alien means that they're not us,
right, Extraterrestrial means they're not ofthis earth, because the earth is where
we as humans live, and itwas created for us by God, by
Jesus, for him, by him, and not one thing was created that
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was not created through him by him. But these entities, there are other
entities that biblical and ancient texts,and you know, we and all kinds
of different religious texts and things mentionedother entities that were here before us.
For me as a Christian, theseare what most people will refer to as
angelic beings. So there's a wholehierarchy of other beings out there that aren't
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us, that God created before us. That are these angelic beings. They're
all throughout the Bible. They areas we know some of them are.
A third of them fell with Satanand the other two third are still with
the Lord. Right, So he'sout numbered two to one. And that's
what the late Chu, the latedoctor Chuck Missler used to say. And
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he doesn't have the numbers that Godhas on his side. But these beings,
these entities that we are encountering,are, in my opinion and from
what I have seen in person andI have experience with them, are fallen
angelic beings. These are fallen beingscreated by God, but they are not
us. They are very different fromus. They are extraterrestrial. Okay,
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so what once again, what you'resuggesting, what I think you're test saying,
is what we would consider angels.Spiritual beings are really other physical creations
by God that are coming to usfrom other planets created by God. But
the ancient texts refer to them asspiritual angels. Well, the texts don't
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refer to them as spiritual really atall. They refer to them as sitting
and eating meals with people. Allthroughout the biblical texts. They also have
them walking through walls. They havethem breaking people out of jail. They
have them, you know, doingall kinds of physical and spiritual things.
They have them arriving in chariots offire. They have them, you know,
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communicating with words. They have themcommunicating through dreams. They have them
doing all the same things that wesee these alien entities doing today. They
have good ones, and there arebad ones in the Bible too. There
when one angel was coming to youknow, help help a human, he'd
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be like, it took me along time because I had a battle to
fight on the way. You know, there are good and bad, there
are malevolent and benevolent beings that Godhas created. Do I think they live
on other planets? No, absolutelynot. I think that they still are
with God in whatever heavenly realm hehas them in at this point in time.
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We have different levels, you know, of heavens. We have different
what people call astroplanes, different areasthat you know, and we are created
for this earth, for this plane, for this physical plane, and with
the physics and the things that weunderstand. They're not created for this plane.
They have advanced physics, advanced knowledge. They've been around a lot longer
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than we have. And you're amos, you're almost saying that there's dimensions,
perhaps different dimensions that they come from, and they pass through to here to
make contact with folks unlucky enough torun into them like yourself. Is that
is that? Okay? Absolutely?And we don't know about dimensions for sure.
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I mean, we're all guessing whenit comes to that, because we
only live in this dimension and anythingoutside of that, we don't have anything
physical that we and tangible that wecan work with to share on that round.
You know, we are we reallyguessing about all of this, I
mean, well, really, I'mnot guessing about what happened to me,
not necessarily what's happened to memories.No, no, no, I'm not
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necessarily saying guessing about your memories,but guessing where they came from or what
their existence is, or do youhave uh mention? For example, you
mentioned grays, and that's a verycommon uh alien being that's talked about in
a lot of the UFO literature.Are the grays for example, those angelic
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type beings. Some are and someare not. There are several different types
of gray entities. The ones thatI have encountered that would show up in
the bedroom or wherever. Those aremore of a avatar type suit, a
suit made out of genetic material likeskin, like we can do in a
lab today. And for the mostpart and from my experience, they are
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inhabited by a demonic entity, orthey can be inhabited by an AI type
entity. Demons are not fallen angels. Demonic entities are defined in ancient literature
as the disembodied spirits of the nephilem, and the Nephilem are the progeny of
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the fallen watchers. There were initiallytwo hundred that fell and the human women
that they took and bread, andthen we know that they continued to do
that because Genesis six tells us therewere giants on the earth in those days
and also after that, and thegiants were the Nephelin when they were killed
in the flood. The Bible tellsus that God left those spirits to room
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the earth because they were neither fromheaven nor earth. They were a little
bit of both. They weren't intendedto be created, and He found that
to be an abomination. Help mewith this one. I'm familiar with Genesis
and the discussion of giants, buthow where's the text that you have that
connects these beings with the giants discussedin Genesis? Am I missing that somewhere?
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Yes? Some of that is fromthe ancient book of Enoch and Jasher
and the Book of Giants, andI have the list, and I can't
bring them all to my reck tomy memory at the moment. I'm so
sorry. But a lot of thatis from that extra biblical, extra canonical
tech, non canonical tech that wehave. You know, these are verified
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ancient texts that are used for youknow, they're amazing for historical purposes and
things like that. We got togo to our next I hate to do
this and do me. I knowif you could not hit your desk,
because I'm kind of watching your bouncea little bit there. So folks,
stay with us. We've got alot more to talk about. We'll be
back right after these messages. Andwe are back when I guess, Karen
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Wilkinson, what a fascinating discussion.One of the things I was thinking about
on the break. You were talkingabout your bloodline and you even had one
of your children experience some things.Do you worry about your kids and your
grandkids? Not anymore. I didat one point in time. But now
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I understand the hierarchy of this,how it works, and where the authority
lies, because just as if anythingelse, there is a hierarchy. And
while these beings may have the abilityto do and manipulate energy, space,
time, matter, physics and waysthat we don't understand, there is a
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being above them. And there isa name of authority that I can call
above that, and that's the nameof Jesus. And when I understood that
authority, and when I truly understoodit, and it doesn't mean I had
to be a walk, a perfectwalk, be the perfect person, have
lead the perfect life. It meansI had to understand that and understand that
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authority, and that once I gavemy life to my creator, my savior,
Jesus, and I believed that andunderstood that authority, I was able
to stop this not just for me, but for my family as well.
And people like Vicki Joy Anderson alsoare great help when it comes to understanding
ties and things that tend to bringsome of these things into your life.
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It's not because I played with theOuiji border because I did a bad thing.
You know, Understanding how these thingshappen and being able to vent them
is very important. So okay,once again we're discussing aliens, and most
of us when we think of aliens, we think of flying saucers and coming
from another planet, another galaxy,coming here to experience, experiment on us
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or with us, or whatever yoursuggestion. The way you view this is
this actually spiritual warfare? It is? It absolutely is. When you were
taken, and you've described physically beingtaken, were you taken to a ship?
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Go ahead? Oh, I'm sorry, didn't mean to interrupt you.
I was taken to various places.One in particular that is taken too often
was an underground facility. And Iknew it was underground because we would get
on this elevator thing and go downand just you feel it going down.
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It just seemed to go down fora long time. And being little,
I then I when I was explainingit as I got older, it's like,
then we would get on an elevatorthat went side, you know,
side to side, and a friendof mine sat that sounds an awful lot
like a train, you know,and I'm like, oh, yeah,
I guess my brain, you know, especially as a little kid, just
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always the elevator put the elevator goingthe other direction then. But so generally
it wasn't to a facility, afacility that was underground. It was huge.
There were different types. There wereabsolutely times where I was taken on
board a ship. Different ships,they're mostly similar, the same. I
don't have a ton of memories ofbeing on the ships, just waking up
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going back to sleep, but moreat certain times in my life than others.
Now, help me with this onetoo. We're talking spiritual warfare,
and once again, most of usthink of spiritual warfare, it's more of
it's nothing tangible, not normally somethingwe can put our hands on. Yet
you talk about going to physical placesand they're doing physical things to you,
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because these are physical beings just likewe are. So spiritual warfare happens in
a physical realm. I mean spiritual. We have a spirit, We are
a spirit spiritual beings as well ina physical body, and they have the
ability to exist in a physical formas well, and that all through history
has shown to be true. Okay, what are they trying to do?
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What is their goal? I guessthat's the first part I want to I
want to go here. What istheir goal? You know, they never
sat down and told me, gaveme their play by play what they want
to do, But what their goal? That I was, the part that
I was privy to, the littlebit that I know of, was to
create hybrid entities that would match andfit into our society, our humanity,
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that you wouldn't know that they weren'tone hundred percent human. To create entities
that are not completely human that wouldhelp to corrupt, you know, the
human beings that are on this planet, and to lead people astray, lead
people away from the right path orgoodness and lead people into you know,
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negative things and bad things and awayfrom salvation and away from God. And
I'm not you know, I'm nottrying to sound all churchy and anything like
that, but is you know,I do live and believe the Bible.
It is the word of God.It is unfailing, and it is He
is my creator. And that isbelieve. And they have made it very
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clear that they are not benevolent,that they aren't here for good purposes,
that they have their own very specificpurpose and it is not to help us.
But this is a battle for oursouls. Would you agree from what
you're describing, this is a battlefor our souls. It is a battle
to get as many souls as theycan away from salvation. Absolutely, and
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that's a battle that has been happeningsince the Garden of Eden. These were
spiritual beings. I know they're inphysical form, but they're spiritual beings.
Why not attack from the spiritual angle? Why attack from the physical angle.
Well, they do attack from aspiritual angle. And there are spiritual attacks
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that happen to people often, andwe hear a lot about that. But
they also need to operate in aphysical realm if they're going to have a
bigger impact on people, because youcan't attack everyone in the spiritual realm.
There are a lot of laws andrules and stipulations that are put in place
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by God. We have to agreeto it, and you can't get to
everyone that way. And they alsocan't. While they have the ability to
be corporeal, they have a physicalbeing, they don't have the ability to
walk among us anymore, like downthe street with you and I. That's
why they've created these gray the littlegray entities that are what I call,
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you know, just kind of likea suit that they can have and habit.
That's why they have They're trying tocreate the race of half human half
alien, or whatever percentage they're gettingthat works to create these hybrid entities so
that they have something here in ourphysical corporeal world because they can't. I
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don't think that they can exist inour sunlight. They don't ever come out
in the light. They're usually undergroundor in their ships. There is something
that we don't understand about how theycan't survive here and they're trying to get
a proxy here. Okay, sothey're there, they travel in ships.
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Where are they coming from They arecoming from whatever dimension or heavenly realm that
they live in. Is it otherplanets? I don't believe so, okay,
because God, there's no indication thatwe have any societies currently on any
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other planets. There's nothing in ourin our biblical realm. Is that to
say that it's not possible? No, not at all. But I don't
have any education of that now.So you know, we talked often about
how Satan's minions will come to Earthand corrupt people. What I'm getting from
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this description is these minions are actuallytaking the forms of grays in their spiritual
being is being enveloped in bodies ofgrays, to just use one example.
Right, Well, deep modeled entitiesare different than fallen angelic beings, right
okay, but but they's still ofSatan. They're of the fallen realm.
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You can call them Satan or whatever, yes you want, right, So,
to corrupt regular folks, they donthese suits. They then kidnap folks,
and they do what with young peoplelike when you were a child up
to when you were able to stopit or other victims? What are they
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doing to the bodies? Exactly?Well, when I was taken they were
running experiments on me. I meanit would be anything from something that looked
like a big X ray machine toskin scrapings to blood samples to examining my
spine, my bones, might youknow, just every part of me.
I mean at different times, itwas different things. So I don't know
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what they are looking for that theydon't have. I don't know what it
is they don't understand, but theyare definitely utilizing people cattle. You know,
when you hear about the cattle mutilations, Bovine blood is very compatible with
humans as well, bovine milk,gloveline blood. There are a lot of
studies out there about how bovine bloodis used today in a lot of how
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you know, different hospitals and thingslike that. But they want to create
the hybrid, the hybrid individuals.What are these hybrid individuals supposed to do?
And I just want to make sureI'm clear on that. What are
the hybrid individuals supposed to do?I believe they're supposed to carry out whatever
instructions they're given. They're supposed toact as a sub as a partially human
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proxy here with us, to carryout whatever their deeds are. I don't
know how the Antichrist will come tobe. I don't know what their exact
plans are, but what they're doingis trying to create enough of them to
carry out whatever it is they needto have done. We've talked about the
grays, and you've talked about thereare other different entities that you saw.
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How many do you think? No? I have no idea, I mean,
I'm I can I've talked about orI can describe. They are the
regular grays that are like the meatsuits, the ones that can house a
demonic entity. There are a differenttype of gray that I've seen and been
in contact with that are taller,they look older. They're not older,
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but they look more wrinkly. Theireyes move side to side like the not
like the bulbous head grays that showup in like your bedroom, where they
have just their eyes seem stationary.There are the types that look like Nordic
is what the description generally used isthat are the tall, blonde look almost
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human but not quite. Their eyesare really big compared to ours, maybe
fifty percent larger. There are reptiliantype that have a very yeah, just
a very disturbing look about them,but they look like they have a human
stature, but with almost a veryflat ears, very flat new very thin,
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almost non existent. The type acrosstheir mouth. There are the mantis
types that I've seen, not upclose. They were always sitting kind of
way back in a corner somewhere.They never came in and interacted with me
in any way. They seem tobe kind of in charge or just watching
over things. But you know,they didn't tell me that. You know
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where they come from? I meanyou're describing that. You don't necessarily think
they're coming from planets? Are theycoming from beneath the top of the earth,
underground? I mean, where arethey coming from? It's a really
good question. We don't have anyanswers to that because we don't understand the
heavenly realms. The only thing weunderstand is our realm here on Earth where
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we live. So we don't havean understanding and we're not given anything to
understand the other realms. We knowpeople go into you know, different when
they're doing like remote viewing and thingslike that, go into different realms.
We know there's an astra plane thatwe get taken into, but we just
don't understand the heavenly and the heavenlyrounds. It's like saying, where does
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God come from? Where? Andwith that, we're coming up on our
last break, So folks, staywith us. I'm with Karen Wilkinson,
and we're talking about alien abductions andwhat that means in the spiritual world.
So stay with us for our lastsegment. We'll be back right after these
messages and we are back with myguess, Karen Wilkinson. What a great
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interview. I'm a lot of interestingthings are coming out of this. First
of all, you had mentioned thereptilians. You had mentioned underground. Are
you familiar with a theory of anunderground facility in California that is run by
reptilians that takes children there? Areyou familiar with that at all? No,
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I'm not familiar with that particular theory, but i can tell you that
as a child where I was taken, there were a lot of that type
of entity there. And the thingsthat happened to me when I was older,
we're disgusting, We're horrifying. Beforewe get too farther on, I
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Radio Broadcast Radio and Television broadcast NETWORKXZBNdot net. And Karen, I would
be remiss if I did not askabout your book and tell us about your
book and where folks can find you. The book is called Stolen Seed,
Evil Harvest. I don't know ifyou can see it behind me, so
I'll hold one up there so youcan see it. It is available currently
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exclusively at Lamarzuli dot net and that'sl A m A r z U l
l i dot net. You canfind a link to that at my website
which is Karen Wilkinson author dot com. And I can give you all of
those links if you want. Forthe show notes. You can find me
on Facebook, and you can alsolink to my website through my Facebook which
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my Facebook is just my name KarenWilkinson, or you can find me on
most social media just by looking atmy name. But yeah, right now,
it's available in the last months,so we're just getting started. Okay,
well, thank you much for that. Now we've covered a lot of
things, and really this challenges mostpeople's perception of God, angels, demonic
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or evil entities. We've got amixture from what I'm seeing, of spiritual
beings, you know, using physicalmeat suits as you as you describe it
in order to deal with us.We're also talking about different types of alien
entities. Some of them are here, some of them are spiritual. Why
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does this all come together to sothat we can make sense of it?
How can the average person comprehend this? You know, most of it is
beyond a lot of people's comprehension,and a lot of people end up with
a certain amount of cognitive dissidence aboutit when they start to learn about what's
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happening. And as our government isslowly giving out details and information, that's
where they're doing this so slowly becauseit's more than most people can take in
one bite and can understand and canhandle. So you know, it all
coalesces, It all does come together, I promise people it does make sense.
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But it is a lot to takein when you've never looked outside the
comfortable bubble that most of us allowourselves to life. Event but these beings
are real and spiritual. You know, wickedness and high places is real,
and these entities are real. Ican assure you that well, being a
cop for forty years, I've seenmy share of evil, so I cannot
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just I cannot agree with you morethat evil exists. I think the problem
that most folks are going to haveis connecting this, the spiritual angle,
with the physical beings that are here. And I've heard a couple of people
say up to one hundred and eightythree I think different types of aliens have
been seen. Does that make Doesthat resonate with you at all? Is
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that possible? Absolutely? Because theangelic beings, just of our Christian Bible,
there are so many described even inthe Bible, and it says that
there are many, many many,you know, more than we can imagine
that it were created. So thinkof you know, just these more than
there are humans. There are manymore angelic beings, and they are also
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spiritual, and they have abilities farthat far outreach hours and that far outreach
our understanding. And at some point, yeah, there comes a little bit
of faith, because this is sofar beyond what most of us are going
to be able to comprehend and understandin our lifetime. We talked about,
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well, you've talked about learning topilot a UFO m H. So you've
actually been on a ship that hascome from somewhere else. Yes, there
are physical ships, but these shipsare alive. They're not like getting in
a car and driving them. They'revery different, And can you describe that
to us? Sure, they arethere, they feel like they're alive,
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they feel like they're made of aliving substance. And when I sat in
the chair, it formed around me. When I thought about where I wanted
it to go, that's where itwent. I was a little bit of
Stockholm syndrome for a while, andI was buying into the message they were
trying to sell me. And atthat point, what was what was that
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message? That they were our benevolentspace brothers here to help us and spread
love and light. But love andlight is not kidnapping little children. Love
and light is not raping women andripping babies from their wombs. Love and
light is not doing these things repeatedlyto people and to animals, over and
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over again. It's like an abusergiving you a pretty dress, letting me
do something like pilot a ship fora short time. They'll sprinkle in a
nice thing here and there to keepyou on board, to keep you with
the narrative, so that you willsay, oh, there's nothing wrong with
aliens. They're great, they're nice. It's not the case, and it's
not what they've exhibited. The factsare they're exhibiting very very bad behavior.
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Sounds like it now. You mentionedthat these were our space brothers, are
space benevolent space family to take careof us. They're not well well,
But a little while ago you saidthey really they really weren't from other planets.
Is that what they're trying to makeyou believe is that they're And why
would they Why would they want youto believe they're from other planets because they
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want you to trust them and believethem, and they are deceptive, and
the deception runs very deep, andeveryone wants to believe in this wonderful fantasy
of them coming down and saving theEarth and saving us. Well, there
are very wonderful, good angelic entitiesout there, and I have had experiences
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with them when I have my neardeath what I call in near life experience.
But the ones that are abducting people, the alien entities that are taking
children, taking women, raping women, taking sperm from men. I have
so many men that I have metand talked to who have been abused by
these entities in that way, youknow, taking unborn children. I mean,
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it's not it's not benevolent. Theseare not and they are not our
ancestral cedars. We were created byour one true creator, by God,
not by these things, not bythese alien entities. Why are they so
interested in us? They are interesting, They're fallen. And this whole thing
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started back in the garden of Eden. They were jealous of God, said,
let us create a race of youknow, there was already the war
they fallen had already happened, andthe angels had already fallen. And he
was the most beautiful of all ofthe angelic beings before he fell. That's
how the Bible described him. Hewas the morning star. He was beautiful.
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And then he fell, and therewas a rebellion. And so for
those third then God created man outof the dirt and gave us dominion.
We were handed the title deed tothis earth. We were given dominion on
this earth, and through him eternallife, we were given enough on the
ability to marry, to pro create. This is something that these angelic beings
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didn't do. This is something thatthe Biblical scripture tells us they cannot do.
They don't give or they're not givena marriage, and they don't do
any of these things that we dohere. There was a certain amount of
jealousy because it also shows in theBiblical text that they inhabited this earth,
this area before it was destroyed.When they rebuild and then God recreated the
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earth put us here. So there'sa great deal of upset, a great
deal of jealousy, all right,I can see that. And I find
it interesting that the way that mostof us an interpreter, read the Bible
through our years, really is almosta space adventure. Now, getting back
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to you piloting the ship, wheredid it? Just because I find that
fascinating if they gave you that opportunity, and I get what you're saying,
they were trying to befriend you.I get that. Where did you go?
Where did they ask you? Wheredid it take you? Did you
travel to other planets? No,it was nothing that exciting. It was
just up and down and you know, back and forth over hills and just
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going really high to just above theearth in this area. Nothing far away.
There were no planets, there wereno far away galaxies. It was
all right here, right within ourlittle space. And I could see,
you know, it was It wasthrilling. But again I don't like to
glamorize it because I don't want anyoneto now go looking after going, oh,
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I want to be abducted. Iwant to pilot a UFO. It's
to find that it's not worth itnow. No why And I know I
asked this question earlier, but it'sstill kind of cloudy to me. Why
do they want us to think thatif there are creatures that are either living
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below are surface spiritual creatures wearing meatsuits, why do they want us to
think that they're from other galaxies otherplanets? What is the reasoning? Do
you have any idea there? Idon't think they really do. I don't
know that anything anyone's ever gotten thatmessage from anyone. I'm not sure where
that comes from. I think it'sjust something that that humankind has made up
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because they it sounds good. Idon't understand yeah, I don't remember getting
some kind of a message sent toour government from Eri di Epsilon or some
strange galaxy, your planet somewhere,saying hey, we're from here. So
I to me that they were,and I don't know anyone else who ever
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heard that, So I think it'sjust something we want to think. Well,
I mean, you're describing traveling ina ship above the Earth and looking
down, and you're talking about thegrays, which is a very very common
description of an alien being. Iguess is that how we're perceiving it,
because it sounds like that's what theywant us to believe. And you're saying
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there's spiritual people beings rather but thatthey want to us to believe they're from
another planet. That's kind of howI'm taking it, I think. So,
yeah, they're spiritual beings that cantake on a corporeal form, and
you know, and then except forthe demonic entities, which are the disembodied,
so those are the demons. Butyou know, we don't know where
they live or where they come from. We don't saying, you know,
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for someone and a lot of peoplewill say, oh, I think they
come from Venus or Mars or whateveryou know. They may have been able
to inhabit some planets or go toand from them, but they're not from
there. I honestly believe they're fromhere before us and now got kicked off
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and are with God wherever Heaven is. I don't think heaven's on a planet.
Well, the non fallen ones arewith God and the ones that are
falling got kicked out. Well.This has been a fascinating discussion, and
I think it bears much more discussionbecause it's a concept that I think most
folks have trouble comprehending. And Ihear what you're saying. But I do
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appreciate you being with us tonight,and I thank you for your time.
And folks, i'd like to thankyou for joining us tonight here on the
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But in the meantime, take careof your family, hug your kids,
take care of those that you love, Okay, and until we meet again,
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take care and we'll see you onthe other side. Have a good night.
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Karen Wilkinson. She's an author,a regular writer, and a contributor to
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newsletters. She deals with prophecy,supernatural, FBI prophecy, supernatural, anything
to do with the paranormal. Shealso deals directly with alien abduction and extraterrestrials.
She's worked in the family software industryfor many years before leaving to raise
her family. She's a mother,a grandmother, and also a human abductee
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an alien abductee. I'm sorry,so with that, I'd like to introduce
Karen Wilkinson to the show. Karen, thanks for being here. Thanks,
Larry, I'm just so happy tobe here with you tonight. Well,
I am too. Now, thereare so many people that have had these
experiences, and they come in somany different forms. I find yours particularly
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interesting because your reference to your Christianfaith. Yes, this whole thing started
with you when you were fairly young. Is that how I understand it?
Yes? Absolutely, I was experiencingabductions by non human entities from as young
as I can remember, as earlyas I can remember in my life.
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Mm hmm. Do you know whatit was that? First of all,
why did they pick you? Doyou have any idea? No idea.
I think a lot of it waswho I was, the genetics of who
I was, and that I wasa good fit for what they were doing
I was. I'm an author ofa book, Stolen Seed, Evil Harvest,
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and that book outlines just the historyof what happened to me, why
I think they did it, andhow I was able to stop it.
And that's why my Christian faith issuch an important part of my journey,
because that's how I managed to stopthe abductions. You stopped it, Well,
share with us how this whole thingstarted with you. You said it
began an early age. How didthis happen? I wish I knew somewhere
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along the line, possibly someone gavepermission. I think it was a familial
thing, that it runs in families. I believe that, Yes, I
absolutely do. And I think that'sbecause the genetic materials that they are looking
for, they being the extraterrestrial entities. It seems to be that with specific
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type of genetics, they are ableto do more things. They utilize the
genetic material to try to create hybridentities with them and for other things.
And when you're working with a familyline, you can continue on with that
specific genetic material that they've been wantingto use. I have a rare blood
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type and that runs, you know, in my family with some members.
And it seems that those members arethe ones who were targeted. And do
you have any indication or evidence thatprior family members were also abductees. Yes,
okay, I do, And Ican't speak for those other people.
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It's their choice when they want tocome forward, if they want to talk
about it publicly. Because there's sucha stigma behind it, most people don't
want to come forward and talk aboutit. I'm doing it because I think
it's important to have this conversation.I started this, you know, years
ago and trying to make it okaybecause there's such a stigma behind it,
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and then there's no healing and there'sno way for people to understand how they
can stop it, and people areafraid to come forward and talk about it.
And that's one of the reasons thatI wrote the book. And you
mentioned genetics, so obviously they hadto choose the right fit for them,
if you will, and I wantto talk about who the they are in
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just a couple of minutes. Butdid you have any incidents prior to your
first abduction experience that looking back,you realize, oh, this was they
were testing me, they were checkingme out, anything happened. First of
how old were you? Let meask you, how old were you?
Remember from my youngest memories. Iwas taken in a typical abduction type experience
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that many of the people I've talkedabout have talked with. I'm sorry I
have had the same exact type scenarioplay out for them as well. We
have very similar similar things happen inour lives, which is there's some comfort
in that knowing that you're not alonebecause I've talked to so many people since
I've started on this journey. Well, when you say your youngest age two,
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three, four, easily, yes, go ahead, please, Because
there were certain types of these beingsthat you encounter. When I was abducted,
there would be several of the smallergray entities, usually in the room,
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sometimes at the foot of the bed, sometimes beside the bed, just
depending on where I was, ifI was in bed or whatever. And
then once I was taken and wouldwake up wherever they took me. In
that particular instance, often when Iwas very young, there were these what
people call Nordic type alien entities aroundme, and they look somewhat human,
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but they're tall, they're very slender, they have very light, almost icy
clear colored hair, very icy bluegreen eyes, very pale skin, and
they looked very much, very similar, especially to a very small child like
me at you know, three,four or five years old, like some
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of the members of my family.And so for that side of the family
whom they looked like, I wasterrified of those members of the family.
And no one can understand why,well, you know, and I couldn't
voice that because we didn't have vocabularyfor what these beings were and it wasn't
something anyone had ever talked about.It wasn't something that was you know,
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today there are movies and there areyou know, resources and things that we
didn't have way back then in thesixties. So there was just there was
no vocabulary to even try to explain. And I was very young, so
you don't have an extended vocabulary atthat age. Why I was terrified of
them, but I would just screamwhenever I saw them, you know,
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just terrified. So it started veryyoung, and it was a very common
scenario over and over again of whatyou hear from. And I can explain
the typical induction scenario that I'd likeyou to because was it the same from
the time you were young up untilit ended? Was the same type of
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scenario. It was very similar,absolutely, yes. So it would begin
and I would feel a change inthe room. You could almost I could
almost feel like static or electricity,you know, your hair stands on end.
I could feel a presence, andas I got older, I could
sense evil and more of an evilpresence. And sometimes it would get very
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quiet, like if they were cicadas, crickets, something outside would just seem
to stop. So there are occasionswhere I would hear a very low starting
low and getting lower type hum noise, and then at that point I would
be notice the beings and feel likeI was in a state of sleep paralysis,
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much like what Vicky joy Anderson talksabout, and that from there,
I would either be levitated off thebed and I would go up through a
ceiling or out through a window,and I would see details as a very
small child, especially at like mygrandmother's house, in a ceiling, details
in the wallpaper. There's wallpaper onthe ceiling, the little curls on the
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edges or where it was slightly browned. I'd see the bugs in the dust
and things in the light fixture therewas like a big square light fixture,
you know, and wondering how amI getting so close to this? Where
am I going to go from here? And you've just your body feels like
it's almost shaking, vibrating into athousand million little pieces. And then a
lot of times at that point you'rejust switched off, like sleep turned off
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and or and it would also bethe same when I go towards a window
the window's not open. How amI going through this? Window, How
am I going to? Where amI gonna go? And that was always
the scenario up through a ceiling,out through a window, or I was
switched off before I was actually moved. Question were you physically moved or was
I because I've had some guests beforeit talked about interaction with alien beings,
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but their body stayed in the bedand it was almost like they were astral
projection. They were there. Isthat the type of thing? Or was
your body physically moved at that pointin time? I was being physically moved.
I was levitating. I mean thescariest thing. I mean, as
a little kid, I was terrified. It was levitating off of a bit.
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I had no idea how any ofthis was happening, you know,
and you can't scream because you're ina state of kind of sleep paralysis.
And there are times, especially laterin life, where I've had astral visitations
and astral type things happen, andthose are terrifying too because you're you feel
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almost more helpless because you don't youdon't have your physical being to maybe fight
back with or that, but youdo have your mental capacity so that you
know you have that. But sobut mostly it has been throughout my life
has been physical tangible abduction experiences whereI come back with bruises, burns,
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marks, missing pregnancies, pajamas insideout, just so many different actual physical
ramifications of what happened to me,physical ailments where the doctors can't tell me
how it happened. I've had whatdo when you were when you were a
child, What couldn't they have doneto you? Do you do you have
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recollection of what they did here asa three or four year old? Sure,
and not every time, but forthe times that I remember that I
have memories of and there's snippets ofmemories here and there. It's not like
you always remember the whole thing.And it's traumatizing too so. But and
at a point I did learn toreally separate that. I literally had what
was the equivalent of a mental breakdownaround six years old. But wow,
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well I want to talk about that. We're about ready to go to our
first break. It goes quick.When we get back, I'd like to
talk to you about your family andhow this all is connected you feel to
your family, So folks to staywith us. We've got a lot of
questions to ask, interesting information staywith us. We'll be back right after
these messages. We are back withmy guest Karen Wilkinson, alien abductee.
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Fascinating story, and I find itparticularly interesting that a it began happening to
you as a young child. Manyof the stories that I've heard the victims
were older. So I find itvery interesting that you're a child, and
also that you think it's in thebloodline. Let's let's kind of go back
to that. What makes you thinkor what takes you in that direction that
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it was a they followed your bloodline? Right? What takes me in that
direction is that I've had some yearsto speak with other abductees, other people
who have been taken, and Ikeep stumbling across the one thing we all
have in common is this rare bloodtype, this O negative blood type O
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negative mm hm. And it's notjust like random, it's almost every person
that I personally have spoken to,and when I've asked them, have you
ever talked to anyone else? Orpeople like my friend La Marzouli, who
is how I really got started,you know, getting talking about this,
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has also had that same interaction withpeople as far as blood type. So
I did a little research into it, and I found out that not just
me and the people that I've spokenwith, but others have have reported the
same thing. So and it seemsto me that you know, there does
seem to be a very specific type, and you think about an own negative
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blood type, it's missing the antigenson the outside of the cell, and
that would make that easier to workwith. I can donate my blood to
anyone, I can give it toyou, but if you don't have own
gative blood, I can't take yours, which means it's a blood type that's
very pliable, that you can workwith, that people can utilize in many
different ways. It's very sold afterin that respect, So it would make
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sense if they were searching for somethinggenetically to work with, they would want
whatever would have the most use acrossany other type of blood. So does
do other members or a significant numberof members of your family have ow negatives?
There are a few, Yes,there are. Okay, I understand
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you don't want to. You wantthem to tell their story. Yeah,
I really don't want to. Yeah, as far as telling me, but
WILD will say that I understand thatyour children, Okay, and all about
prior to you prior to me,yes, and my family absolutely, Yes,
the maternal side of my family,I had quite a bit of a
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negative bloodlines. And have they withusing names, have they discussed with you
or revealed to you that they've hadsimilar experiences to you being abducted. They
have discussed strange things that happened tothem over the years, but no one
ever talked about actual abduction experiences,none of them, honestly, I think
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because it was just something that theyweren't comfortable talking about. And it isn't
something that you just start talking about, even with your own family. You
know, you're afraid that you're goingto be laughed at or ridiculed, or
they're going to you know, whatare you talking about? You know,
it's just until recently, you know, in general, people just didn't want
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to talk about it. And nowthat we're having more and more disclosure events
and more and more information coming outfrom the government, not that it's anything
to say much about, but atleast something is happening. There is some
traction now it's becoming more accepted totalk about the subject of unidentified flying objects
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and non human entities. People stillhave a lot of there's still a lot
of negative stigma behind speaking about beingan abductee, and that's something I really
want to try to change well,and I think that's happening too. I
mean, I've had a number ofguests on the show that have discussed this
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issue happening to them or others thatthey know. I want to get back
to the bloodline thing, because youmake a comment in here that you feel
that the aliens are attempting to corruptthe bloodline. Now you talking about the
own negative bloodline in general, orare you discussing humans and humans in general?
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And this is something that goes backthrough ancient texts, whether it be
our Holy Bible, whether it bescroll ancient scrolls and other things. You
can find some excuse me information,But when you go into the Bible,
you see right off in Genesis threepoint fifteen where there sets up a scenario
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in the Garden of Eden where theserpent, then cautious, has already tempted
even she's you know, Adam andEve have now fallen, and the Lord
comes into there and says, youknow, I will put enmity between you
and the woman, and you will, you know, you will bruise his
heel and he will crush your head. Well, that's when the initial attempt
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to corrupt the bloodline to stop thebirth of the Savior, to stop the
birth of Jesus from happening, didn'twork out, obviously clearly, so the
second attempt after the birth of Jesuswas is going on ongoing. And I
believe, and I agree with thelate doctor Chuck Missler and Elie Marzouli and
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many others respect in that field,that there is an attempt to build an
army, if you will, tocreate more of the hybrid type beings,
beings that are not one hundred percenthuman, not one hundred percent well alien.
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Let me let me stop you therefor a second, because that brings
up a very interesting topic. Whatyou're suggesting, or at least what I
think you're suggesting, is that theBiblical references to, for example, Adam
and Eve, which he talks aboutmore of a spiritual event with Satan.
Are you suggesting that was actually aconnection to alien worlds? Well, I
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yes, I think you have tolook at this way. The entities that
we're dealing with are not they're aliens. Alien means that they're not us,
right, Extraterrestrial means they're not ofthis earth, because the earth is where
we as humans live, and itwas created for us by God, by
Jesus, for him, by him, and not one thing was created that
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was not created through him by him. But these entities, there are other
entities that biblical and ancient texts,and you know, we and all kinds
of different religious texts and things mentionedother entities that were here before us.
For me as a Christian, theseare what most people will refer to as
angelic beings. So there's a wholehierarchy of other beings out there that aren't
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us, that God created before us. That are these angelic beings. They're
all throughout the Bible. They areas we know some of them are.
A third of them fell with Satanand the other two third are still with
the Lord. Right, So he'sout numbered two to one. And that's
what the late Chu, the latedoctor Chuck Missler used to say. And
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he doesn't have the numbers that Godhas on his side. But these beings,
these entities that we are encountering,are, in my opinion and from
what I have seen in person andI have experience with them, are fallen
angelic beings. These are fallen beingscreated by God, but they are not
us. They are very different fromus. They are extraterrestrial. Okay,
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so what once again, what you'resuggesting, what I think you're test saying,
is what we would consider angels.Spiritual beings are really other physical creations
by God that are coming to usfrom other planets created by God. But
the ancient texts refer to them asspiritual angels. Well, the texts don't
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refer to them as spiritual really atall. They refer to them as sitting
and eating meals with people. Allthroughout the biblical texts. They also have
them walking through walls. They havethem breaking people out of jail. They
have them, you know, doingall kinds of physical and spiritual things.
They have them arriving in chariots offire. They have them, you know,
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communicating with words. They have themcommunicating through dreams. They have them
doing all the same things that wesee these alien entities doing today. They
have good ones, and there arebad ones in the Bible too. There
when one angel was coming to youknow, help help a human, he'd
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be like, it took me along time because I had a battle to
fight on the way. You know, there are good and bad, there
are malevolent and benevolent beings that Godhas created. Do I think they live
on other planets? No, absolutelynot. I think that they still are
with God in whatever heavenly realm hehas them in at this point in time.
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We have different levels, you know, of heavens. We have different
what people call astroplanes, different areasthat you know, and we are created
for this earth, for this plane, for this physical plane, and with
the physics and the things that weunderstand. They're not created for this plane.
They have advanced physics, advanced knowledge. They've been around a lot longer
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than we have. And you're amos, you're almost saying that there's dimensions,
perhaps different dimensions that they come from, and they pass through to here to
make contact with folks unlucky enough torun into them like yourself. Is that
is that? Okay? Absolutely?And we don't know about dimensions for sure.
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I mean, we're all guessing whenit comes to that, because we
only live in this dimension and anythingoutside of that, we don't have anything
physical that we and tangible that wecan work with to share on that round.
You know, we are we reallyguessing about all of this, I
mean, well, really, I'mnot guessing about what happened to me,
not necessarily what's happened to memories.No, no, no, I'm not
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necessarily saying guessing about your memories,but guessing where they came from or what
their existence is, or do youhave uh mention? For example, you
mentioned grays, and that's a verycommon uh alien being that's talked about in
a lot of the UFO literature.Are the grays for example, those angelic
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type beings. Some are and someare not. There are several different types
of gray entities. The ones thatI have encountered that would show up in
the bedroom or wherever. Those aremore of a avatar type suit, a
suit made out of genetic material likeskin, like we can do in a
lab today. And for the mostpart and from my experience, they are
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inhabited by a demonic entity, orthey can be inhabited by an AI type
entity. Demons are not fallen angels. Demonic entities are defined in ancient literature
as the disembodied spirits of the nephilem, and the Nephilem are the progeny of
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the fallen watchers. There were initiallytwo hundred that fell and the human women
that they took and bread, andthen we know that they continued to do
that because Genesis six tells us therewere giants on the earth in those days
and also after that, and thegiants were the Nephelin when they were killed
in the flood. The Bible tellsus that God left those spirits to room
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the earth because they were neither fromheaven nor earth. They were a little
bit of both. They weren't intendedto be created, and He found that
to be an abomination. Help mewith this one. I'm familiar with Genesis
and the discussion of giants, buthow where's the text that you have that
connects these beings with the giants discussedin Genesis? Am I missing that somewhere?
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Yes? Some of that is fromthe ancient book of Enoch and Jasher
and the Book of Giants, andI have the list, and I can't
bring them all to my reck tomy memory at the moment. I'm so
sorry. But a lot of thatis from that extra biblical, extra canonical
tech, non canonical tech that wehave. You know, these are verified
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ancient texts that are used for youknow, they're amazing for historical purposes and
things like that. We got togo to our next I hate to do
this and do me. I knowif you could not hit your desk,
because I'm kind of watching your bouncea little bit there. So folks,
stay with us. We've got alot more to talk about. We'll be
back right after these messages. Andwe are back when I guess, Karen
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Wilkinson, what a fascinating discussion.One of the things I was thinking about
on the break. You were talkingabout your bloodline and you even had one
of your children experience some things.Do you worry about your kids and your
grandkids? Not anymore. I didat one point in time. But now
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I understand the hierarchy of this,how it works, and where the authority
lies, because just as if anythingelse, there is a hierarchy. And
while these beings may have the abilityto do and manipulate energy, space,
time, matter, physics and waysthat we don't understand, there is a
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being above them. And there isa name of authority that I can call
above that, and that's the nameof Jesus. And when I understood that
authority, and when I truly understoodit, and it doesn't mean I had
to be a walk, a perfectwalk, be the perfect person, have
lead the perfect life. It meansI had to understand that and understand that
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authority, and that once I gavemy life to my creator, my savior,
Jesus, and I believed that andunderstood that authority, I was able
to stop this not just for me, but for my family as well.
And people like Vicki Joy Anderson alsoare great help when it comes to understanding
ties and things that tend to bringsome of these things into your life.
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It's not because I played with theOuiji border because I did a bad thing.
You know, Understanding how these thingshappen and being able to vent them
is very important. So okay,once again we're discussing aliens, and most
of us when we think of aliens, we think of flying saucers and coming
from another planet, another galaxy,coming here to experience, experiment on us
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or with us, or whatever yoursuggestion. The way you view this is
this actually spiritual warfare? It is? It absolutely is. When you were
taken, and you've described physically beingtaken, were you taken to a ship?
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Go ahead? Oh, I'm sorry, didn't mean to interrupt you.
I was taken to various places.One in particular that is taken too often
was an underground facility. And Iknew it was underground because we would get
on this elevator thing and go downand just you feel it going down.
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It just seemed to go down fora long time. And being little,
I then I when I was explainingit as I got older, it's like,
then we would get on an elevatorthat went side, you know,
side to side, and a friendof mine sat that sounds an awful lot
like a train, you know,and I'm like, oh, yeah,
I guess my brain, you know, especially as a little kid, just
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always the elevator put the elevator goingthe other direction then. But so generally
it wasn't to a facility, afacility that was underground. It was huge.
There were different types. There wereabsolutely times where I was taken on
board a ship. Different ships,they're mostly similar, the same. I
don't have a ton of memories ofbeing on the ships, just waking up
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going back to sleep, but moreat certain times in my life than others.
Now, help me with this onetoo. We're talking spiritual warfare,
and once again, most of usthink of spiritual warfare, it's more of
it's nothing tangible, not normally somethingwe can put our hands on. Yet
you talk about going to physical placesand they're doing physical things to you,
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because these are physical beings just likewe are. So spiritual warfare happens in
a physical realm. I mean spiritual. We have a spirit, We are
a spirit spiritual beings as well ina physical body, and they have the
ability to exist in a physical formas well, and that all through history
has shown to be true. Okay, what are they trying to do?
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What is their goal? I guessthat's the first part I want to I
want to go here. What istheir goal? You know, they never
sat down and told me, gaveme their play by play what they want
to do, But what their goal? That I was, the part that
I was privy to, the littlebit that I know of, was to
create hybrid entities that would match andfit into our society, our humanity,
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that you wouldn't know that they weren'tone hundred percent human. To create entities
that are not completely human that wouldhelp to corrupt, you know, the
human beings that are on this planet, and to lead people astray, lead
people away from the right path orgoodness and lead people into you know,
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negative things and bad things and awayfrom salvation and away from God. And
I'm not you know, I'm nottrying to sound all churchy and anything like
that, but is you know,I do live and believe the Bible.
It is the word of God.It is unfailing, and it is He
is my creator. And that isbelieve. And they have made it very
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clear that they are not benevolent,that they aren't here for good purposes,
that they have their own very specificpurpose and it is not to help us.
But this is a battle for oursouls. Would you agree from what
you're describing, this is a battlefor our souls. It is a battle
to get as many souls as theycan away from salvation. Absolutely, and
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that's a battle that has been happeningsince the Garden of Eden. These were
spiritual beings. I know they're inphysical form, but they're spiritual beings.
Why not attack from the spiritual angle? Why attack from the physical angle.
Well, they do attack from aspiritual angle. And there are spiritual attacks
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that happen to people often, andwe hear a lot about that. But
they also need to operate in aphysical realm if they're going to have a
bigger impact on people, because youcan't attack everyone in the spiritual realm.
There are a lot of laws andrules and stipulations that are put in place
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by God. We have to agreeto it, and you can't get to
everyone that way. And they alsocan't. While they have the ability to
be corporeal, they have a physicalbeing, they don't have the ability to
walk among us anymore, like downthe street with you and I. That's
why they've created these gray the littlegray entities that are what I call,
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you know, just kind of likea suit that they can have and habit.
That's why they have They're trying tocreate the race of half human half
alien, or whatever percentage they're gettingthat works to create these hybrid entities so
that they have something here in ourphysical corporeal world because they can't. I
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don't think that they can exist inour sunlight. They don't ever come out
in the light. They're usually undergroundor in their ships. There is something
that we don't understand about how theycan't survive here and they're trying to get
a proxy here. Okay, sothey're there, they travel in ships.
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Where are they coming from They arecoming from whatever dimension or heavenly realm that
they live in. Is it otherplanets? I don't believe so, okay,
because God, there's no indication thatwe have any societies currently on any
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other planets. There's nothing in ourin our biblical realm. Is that to
say that it's not possible? No, not at all. But I don't
have any education of that now.So you know, we talked often about
how Satan's minions will come to Earthand corrupt people. What I'm getting from
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this description is these minions are actuallytaking the forms of grays in their spiritual
being is being enveloped in bodies ofgrays, to just use one example.
Right, Well, deep modeled entitiesare different than fallen angelic beings, right
okay, but but they's still ofSatan. They're of the fallen realm.
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You can call them Satan or whatever, yes you want, right, So,
to corrupt regular folks, they donthese suits. They then kidnap folks,
and they do what with young peoplelike when you were a child up
to when you were able to stopit or other victims? What are they
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doing to the bodies? Exactly?Well, when I was taken they were
running experiments on me. I meanit would be anything from something that looked
like a big X ray machine toskin scrapings to blood samples to examining my
spine, my bones, might youknow, just every part of me.
I mean at different times, itwas different things. So I don't know
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what they are looking for that theydon't have. I don't know what it
is they don't understand, but theyare definitely utilizing people cattle. You know,
when you hear about the cattle mutilations, Bovine blood is very compatible with
humans as well, bovine milk,gloveline blood. There are a lot of
studies out there about how bovine bloodis used today in a lot of how
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you know, different hospitals and thingslike that. But they want to create
the hybrid, the hybrid individuals.What are these hybrid individuals supposed to do?
And I just want to make sureI'm clear on that. What are
the hybrid individuals supposed to do?I believe they're supposed to carry out whatever
instructions they're given. They're supposed toact as a sub as a partially human
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proxy here with us, to carryout whatever their deeds are. I don't
know how the Antichrist will come tobe. I don't know what their exact
plans are, but what they're doingis trying to create enough of them to
carry out whatever it is they needto have done. We've talked about the
grays, and you've talked about thereare other different entities that you saw.
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How many do you think? No? I have no idea, I mean,
I'm I can I've talked about orI can describe. They are the
regular grays that are like the meatsuits, the ones that can house a
demonic entity. There are a differenttype of gray that I've seen and been
in contact with that are taller,they look older. They're not older,
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but they look more wrinkly. Theireyes move side to side like the not
like the bulbous head grays that showup in like your bedroom, where they
have just their eyes seem stationary.There are the types that look like Nordic
is what the description generally used isthat are the tall, blonde look almost
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human but not quite. Their eyesare really big compared to ours, maybe
fifty percent larger. There are reptiliantype that have a very yeah, just
a very disturbing look about them,but they look like they have a human
stature, but with almost a veryflat ears, very flat new very thin,
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almost non existent. The type acrosstheir mouth. There are the mantis
types that I've seen, not upclose. They were always sitting kind of
way back in a corner somewhere.They never came in and interacted with me
in any way. They seem tobe kind of in charge or just watching
over things. But you know,they didn't tell me that. You know
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where they come from? I meanyou're describing that. You don't necessarily think
they're coming from planets? Are theycoming from beneath the top of the earth,
underground? I mean, where arethey coming from? It's a really
good question. We don't have anyanswers to that because we don't understand the
heavenly realms. The only thing weunderstand is our realm here on Earth where
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we live. So we don't havean understanding and we're not given anything to
understand the other realms. We knowpeople go into you know, different when
they're doing like remote viewing and thingslike that, go into different realms.
We know there's an astra plane thatwe get taken into, but we just
don't understand the heavenly and the heavenlyrounds. It's like saying, where does
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God come from? Where? Andwith that, we're coming up on our
last break, So folks, staywith us. I'm with Karen Wilkinson,
and we're talking about alien abductions andwhat that means in the spiritual world.
So stay with us for our lastsegment. We'll be back right after these
messages and we are back with myguess, Karen Wilkinson. What a great
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interview. I'm a lot of interestingthings are coming out of this. First
of all, you had mentioned thereptilians. You had mentioned underground. Are
you familiar with a theory of anunderground facility in California that is run by
reptilians that takes children there? Areyou familiar with that at all? No,
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I'm not familiar with that particular theory, but i can tell you that
as a child where I was taken, there were a lot of that type
of entity there. And the thingsthat happened to me when I was older,
we're disgusting, We're horrifying. Beforewe get too farther on, I
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it's available in the last months,so we're just getting started. Okay,
well, thank you much for that. Now we've covered a lot of
things, and really this challenges mostpeople's perception of God, angels, demonic
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or evil entities. We've got amixture from what I'm seeing, of spiritual
beings, you know, using physicalmeat suits as you as you describe it
in order to deal with us.We're also talking about different types of alien
entities. Some of them are here, some of them are spiritual. Why
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does this all come together to sothat we can make sense of it?
How can the average person comprehend this? You know, most of it is
beyond a lot of people's comprehension,and a lot of people end up with
a certain amount of cognitive dissidence aboutit when they start to learn about what's
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happening. And as our government isslowly giving out details and information, that's
where they're doing this so slowly becauseit's more than most people can take in
one bite and can understand and canhandle. So you know, it all
coalesces, It all does come together, I promise people it does make sense.
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But it is a lot to takein when you've never looked outside the
comfortable bubble that most of us allowourselves to life. Event but these beings
are real and spiritual. You know, wickedness and high places is real,
and these entities are real. Ican assure you that well, being a
cop for forty years, I've seenmy share of evil, so I cannot
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just I cannot agree with you morethat evil exists. I think the problem
that most folks are going to haveis connecting this, the spiritual angle,
with the physical beings that are here. And I've heard a couple of people
say up to one hundred and eightythree I think different types of aliens have
been seen. Does that make Doesthat resonate with you at all? Is
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that possible? Absolutely? Because theangelic beings, just of our Christian Bible,
there are so many described even inthe Bible, and it says that
there are many, many many,you know, more than we can imagine
that it were created. So thinkof you know, just these more than
there are humans. There are manymore angelic beings, and they are also
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spiritual, and they have abilities farthat far outreach hours and that far outreach
our understanding. And at some point, yeah, there comes a little bit
of faith, because this is sofar beyond what most of us are going
to be able to comprehend and understandin our lifetime. We talked about,
(45:19):
well, you've talked about learning topilot a UFO m H. So you've
actually been on a ship that hascome from somewhere else. Yes, there
are physical ships, but these shipsare alive. They're not like getting in
a car and driving them. They'revery different, And can you describe that
to us? Sure, they arethere, they feel like they're alive,
(45:43):
they feel like they're made of aliving substance. And when I sat in
the chair, it formed around me. When I thought about where I wanted
it to go, that's where itwent. I was a little bit of
Stockholm syndrome for a while, andI was buying into the message they were
trying to sell me. And atthat point, what was what was that
(46:07):
message? That they were our benevolentspace brothers here to help us and spread
love and light. But love andlight is not kidnapping little children. Love
and light is not raping women andripping babies from their wombs. Love and
light is not doing these things repeatedlyto people and to animals, over and
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over again. It's like an abusergiving you a pretty dress, letting me
do something like pilot a ship fora short time. They'll sprinkle in a
nice thing here and there to keepyou on board, to keep you with
the narrative, so that you willsay, oh, there's nothing wrong with
aliens. They're great, they're nice. It's not the case, and it's
not what they've exhibited. The factsare they're exhibiting very very bad behavior.
(46:52):
Sounds like it now. You mentionedthat these were our space brothers, are
space benevolent space family to take careof us. They're not well well,
But a little while ago you saidthey really they really weren't from other planets.
Is that what they're trying to makeyou believe is that they're And why
would they Why would they want youto believe they're from other planets because they
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want you to trust them and believethem, and they are deceptive, and
the deception runs very deep, andeveryone wants to believe in this wonderful fantasy
of them coming down and saving theEarth and saving us. Well, there
are very wonderful, good angelic entitiesout there, and I have had experiences
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with them when I have my neardeath what I call in near life experience.
But the ones that are abducting people, the alien entities that are taking
children, taking women, raping women, taking sperm from men. I have
so many men that I have metand talked to who have been abused by
these entities in that way, youknow, taking unborn children. I mean,
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it's not it's not benevolent. Theseare not and they are not our
ancestral cedars. We were created byour one true creator, by God,
not by these things, not bythese alien entities. Why are they so
interested in us? They are interesting, They're fallen. And this whole thing
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started back in the garden of Eden. They were jealous of God, said,
let us create a race of youknow, there was already the war
they fallen had already happened, andthe angels had already fallen. And he
was the most beautiful of all ofthe angelic beings before he fell. That's
how the Bible described him. Hewas the morning star. He was beautiful.
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And then he fell, and therewas a rebellion. And so for
those third then God created man outof the dirt and gave us dominion.
We were handed the title deed tothis earth. We were given dominion on
this earth, and through him eternallife, we were given enough on the
ability to marry, to pro create. This is something that these angelic beings
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didn't do. This is something thatthe Biblical scripture tells us they cannot do.
They don't give or they're not givena marriage, and they don't do
any of these things that we dohere. There was a certain amount of
jealousy because it also shows in theBiblical text that they inhabited this earth,
this area before it was destroyed.When they rebuild and then God recreated the
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earth put us here. So there'sa great deal of upset, a great
deal of jealousy, all right,I can see that. And I find
it interesting that the way that mostof us an interpreter, read the Bible
through our years, really is almosta space adventure. Now, getting back
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to you piloting the ship, wheredid it? Just because I find that
fascinating if they gave you that opportunity, and I get what you're saying,
they were trying to befriend you.I get that. Where did you go?
Where did they ask you? Wheredid it take you? Did you
travel to other planets? No,it was nothing that exciting. It was
just up and down and you know, back and forth over hills and just
(50:16):
going really high to just above theearth in this area. Nothing far away.
There were no planets, there wereno far away galaxies. It was
all right here, right within ourlittle space. And I could see,
you know, it was It wasthrilling. But again I don't like to
glamorize it because I don't want anyoneto now go looking after going, oh,
(50:38):
I want to be abducted. Iwant to pilot a UFO. It's
to find that it's not worth itnow. No why And I know I
asked this question earlier, but it'sstill kind of cloudy to me. Why
do they want us to think thatif there are creatures that are either living
(50:58):
below are surface spiritual creatures wearing meatsuits, why do they want us to
think that they're from other galaxies otherplanets? What is the reasoning? Do
you have any idea there? Idon't think they really do. I don't
know that anything anyone's ever gotten thatmessage from anyone. I'm not sure where
that comes from. I think it'sjust something that that humankind has made up
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because they it sounds good. Idon't understand yeah, I don't remember getting
some kind of a message sent toour government from Eri di Epsilon or some
strange galaxy, your planet somewhere,saying hey, we're from here. So
I to me that they were,and I don't know anyone else who ever
(51:43):
heard that, So I think it'sjust something we want to think. Well,
I mean, you're describing traveling ina ship above the Earth and looking
down, and you're talking about thegrays, which is a very very common
description of an alien being. Iguess is that how we're perceiving it,
because it sounds like that's what theywant us to believe. And you're saying
(52:04):
there's spiritual people beings rather but thatthey want to us to believe they're from
another planet. That's kind of howI'm taking it, I think. So,
yeah, they're spiritual beings that cantake on a corporeal form, and
you know, and then except forthe demonic entities, which are the disembodied,
so those are the demons. Butyou know, we don't know where
they live or where they come from. We don't saying, you know,
(52:28):
for someone and a lot of peoplewill say, oh, I think they
come from Venus or Mars or whateveryou know. They may have been able
to inhabit some planets or go toand from them, but they're not from
there. I honestly believe they're fromhere before us and now got kicked off
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and are with God wherever Heaven is. I don't think heaven's on a planet.
Well, the non fallen ones arewith God and the ones that are
falling got kicked out. Well.This has been a fascinating discussion, and
I think it bears much more discussionbecause it's a concept that I think most
folks have trouble comprehending. And Ihear what you're saying. But I do
(53:14):
appreciate you being with us tonight,and I thank you for your time.
And folks, i'd like to thankyou for joining us tonight here on the
parent will stake out and we'd likeyou to come on back next week.
But in the meantime, take careof your family, hug your kids,
take care of those that you love, Okay, and until we meet again,
(53:36):
take care and we'll see you onthe other side. Have a good night.
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