January 5, 2024 • 53 mins
With most paranormal investigators having a personal experience to propel them on a mission to find out more, Kim is no exception. In 2018 she began writing and telling paranormal stories on her podcast, which eventually led to her becoming an investigator and co-host. Kim has extensive paranormal investigative and research experience and has visited some of the most haunted locations in the United States such as: Waverly Hills Sanatorium, Conjuring House, Lizzy Borden House, Lafittes Blacksmith Shop, The Witch House in Salem, and the St. Augustine lighthouse to name only a few. She prides herself on being practical, maybe even somewhat skeptical at times, when it comes to her approach to paranormal activity.
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Welcome to the Paranormal Stakeout Radio TVshow with Larry Lawson. As a former
career law enforcement officer and law enforcementeducator, Larry focuses on the use of
tried and true law enforcement investigated techniquesin conducting paranormal investigations. Despite his experience
and training, Larry also and keepsan open mind to discussions on topics that
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deal with evidence that are not quiteas physical in nature. Paranormal Stakeout guests
are professionals in the field of theparanormal and parapsychology, conducting the investigations and
research needed to further the cause ofparanormal study. Larry advocates an agenda of
standardization of structure and training in thefield of paranormal investigation and research for the
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purpose of one day being able toproduce the evidence needed to convey a jury
of the existence of the paranormal.Whether it is ghosts, UFOs, unsolved
mysteries, hauntings, or cryptids,no topic is beyond the investigative reach of
Larry Lawson and the Paranormal Steakhout RadioTV show team. Now Here is the
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host of the Paranormal Steakhout Radio TVshow Larry Lawson, and good evening everyone,
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Welcome back to Paranormal Steakhoud. I'myour host, Larry Lawson, coming
to you from Beautiful Bua Beach,Florida, the headquarters for the Florida your
paranormal investigation in Indian River Hauntings.That's my little organization that works down here.
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or thoughts right here at the beginningof each show. So I'm really glad
you're here. This is our firstshow for twenty twenty four. Really excited
to be back again this year.I hope everybody had a very blessed holiday
season, and I hope everybody wassafe and let's make twenty twenty four the
best. Now my guest tonight,been looking forward to having her on.
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She is a writer, she isa media personality, she is a storyteller,
and of course she's a paranormal investigator. Kim Moser comes to us from
Canada and since twenty eighteen, whenshe began writing and telling paranormal stories on
her podcast, she became even moreinterested and later became a paranormal investigator.
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Since then, she's had a extensiveamount of experience and has traveled all over,
including a lot of spots here inthe States. Some of those spots
are includes the Waverly Hill Sanatorium We'veall heard of that, the Conjuring House,
Lizzie Bordenhouse, the Fitz Black Shop, the Witch House in Salem,
and a place that's near and dearto me, the Saint Augustine Lighthouse,
which is where it all began forme. So with that, I'd like
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to welcome Kim Moser to Paranormal Steakout. Kim, Welcome, Hi, Larry,
how you doing. Thank you somuch for having me on the show.
Real excited about that I must becold up there right now. It
is. Yeah, they're smell onthe ground. Well, it was cold
here today. I think we hitsixty five. So wow, I feel
for you. I've got to takethose digs where I can at any rate.
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Tell us a little bit about yourself. You've got really an interesting background.
You really didn't have experiences or youas a child. I actually did
have a few small experiences, butit was it was more of like a
little scary experience. Nothing that wassuper profound, nothing that I sort of
saw a misty white figure with myeyes. I was always very much a
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dreamer and I would have extremely vividdreams. And then in my early twenties,
my grandmother wasn't expected to pass away, but she passed away. In
the night that she did, Ihad a very vivid dream about her,
and she was telling me that shewas going, and it was so vivid
that I could I could see herperfectly. She was wearing her favorite outfit,
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I could smell her, I touchedher, and that was pretty much
it. She was just gone.And so when I woke up, I
was obviously very distressed, and mypartner at the time was like, you
know, just go back to bed. You had a bad dream. I'm
like, no, I really thinkshe's gone. And so I managed to
get back to sleep, and veryearly in the morning, my mother called
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me to let me know that hermother had passed away. And I said,
Mom, you're not going to believethis, but you know me and
my dreams, and she said yeah, And I said, I had a
dream about her last night and shewas telling me that she was going.
And she said, well, that'sreally interesting. When did you have the
dream and I said, well,it was sometime between two fifteen and two
thirty. And she said, well, that's the last time that somebody went
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to check on her when she wasalive at two fifteen, and when she
had passed at two thirty. Soshe said, I really wish I would
have had a dream like that,and I said, I know, I
just I don't know why you didn't. And I did why I was a
special one. So anyway, thatkind of really intrigued me, and I
wanted to know a lot more aboutwhat happens after you die. So I
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just started diving into books and reallygot into the topic. And then,
you know, lived a pretty regularlife for the next fifteen years or so,
and you know, it was insales. I sold food, I
sold Coca Cola, I sold awhole bunch of stuff like that. And
then my last sales job, Iwas selling forklifts and I was like,
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this is not my passion. What'smy passion? So my best friend and
I decided we'd start a podcast,which was called Booze and Bourbon. I
get the sticker still on this microphoneright there, and that just kind of
spiraled. So we got to travelto the States for some small investigations,
and then it wasn't too much longerafter that that a local television series reached
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out and they said, hey,we're looking for some new investigators. Do
you think you'd be interested? AndI'm like, of course I would be.
So I started on that and thenwithin a couple of months, I
was the production manager for the showand I continued that for six seasons.
And now I'm a director, soI don't just direct, you know,
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paranormal spooky stuff. I direct someseries that have to do with antique cars
as well as fashion in Atlantic Canada, so I'm pretty diverse. And now
what I'm doing is I'm doing paranormalinvestigations on YouTube with a couple of my
friends, Lamar and Chelsea, Sothat's been really fun. We have been
traveling to the States as well sinceI sent you that little summary of places
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that I've been to. We spenta lot of time in New York and
Ohio too, so we just hadsome really great experiences there. I got
to ask where you were at inOhio that happens to be my original stopping
are out. Oh really, Well, we went to the Fairfield County Infirmary,
which was probably the most active placeI've ever been to. I saw
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so many things that I never everthought I would see. And then where
else did we go in Ohio?Oh a place called Father John's and it
used to be a monastery and thenthis guide ended up turning it into a
brewery, and there was a cryptin the floor of the dining room with
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a brewery, and they think thatmight be why it's haunted. But also
the owner of this place has traveledthe world. He's really into religious relics,
so he has sort of a mixof like Buddhist relics and Christian relics,
and people think that maybe there's sortof some residual hauntings because of all
of the artifacts that are there.Interesting. Do you go to Mansfield State?
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No, we didn't. There's somany places in Ohio. I was
completely blown away. I was like, we need to go back. So
you've obviously delved into the field prettyheavily now, and you're obviously attending a
lot of spots, and we're goingto get to Saint Augustine eventually. Here.
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Other than your experience that you hadwith your grammar, which is profound,
and I think that whole dream issueis something that is not investigated deeply
enough. What did you do toprepare yourself to become an investigator after telling
the stories? And I'd love toknow where Booze and Bourbon came from.
That's an interesting title. But whatdid you do to prepare yourself and get
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yourself ready to actually begin investigating?Well? I kind of did a little
bit with the podcast. We justdid very like kind of rudimentary types of
investigations. We had some voice recordersand a K two meter and we would
go to you know, small littleareas here around where I live in Nova
Scotia and just kind of check themout and see what was going on.
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And we ended up getting some prettyinteresting stuff, things that correlated to the
stories that we knew, or youknow, things that were kind of correlating
to the time. So we'd getback in the car and we realized that
we still had one of one ofthe devices going and it said like you
need you need to park here,and we're like, we just got in
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the car. That's kind of cool. So we were already a little bit
intrigued by the whole thought of investigating. And then I really didn't have any
you know, experience on television untilI was on the show, and there
were some other investigators on the showtoo, so they kind of helped.
I mean, I've watched so manyparanormal investigative shows too. I think that
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was like my training and I didn'teven realize it, but really just kind
of tapping into the space, youknow, doing some sort of like protection
rituals of some way shape or form, just kind of you know, surrounding
myself in white light. And Iwas like, Okay, I'm ready for
this. But it really wasn't untilI would be you know, isolated in
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a situation that I was like,I don't think I'm ready for this,
because i'd be all alone. I'mlike, Okay, what's gonna if something
happens, something comes charging at me, Who's going to help me? They're
really far away. So that's whenI was like, maybe I'm a little
bit out of my element here.So it took me, honestly, it
took me a couple of years toreally kind of get comfortable with being in
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a space all by myself. Didyou ever get an opportun tunity? Did
anybody offer you the opportunities to actuallytrain you or give you a little bit
more formal training it at all?And if not, do you think that
would have helped you? I don'tknow. I just kind of I just
kind of go with what feels naturalto me. There are some people out
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there that have been a quote unquotementor for me, and I really didn't
like their style. I really didn'tlike the way that they were maybe antagonizing
the spirits if we were talking toa spirit. So I kind of feel
like I've developed my own way thatfeels very natural to me. I've got
over one hundred investigations under my beltnow, so I feel like I might
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be able to teach a thing ortwo to someone. And experience is probably
the best teacher. You talk aboutequipment and things like that. Do you
use a lot of equipment? Now? I do. But the thing that
I find with equipment is it's sofinicky, Like there's sometimes when it won't
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go off and it should or there'stimes when it goes off and it shouldn't.
So I tend to look at theequipment as sort of something that backs
up what I'm feeling. So Iwouldn't necessarily classify myself as a medium.
I would say that I'm certainly sensitiveto certain spaces. So if I'm feeling,
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you know, the presence of ayoung woman that might be in despair,
and then I have this device spitout words at me that correlate with
that, then I'm like, Okay, I think maybe we're onto something.
So I kind of use it asa little bit of a backup, all
right. I mean, I thinkthat's an issue that most folks, well,
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we really don't know what this phenomenonis. We really don't, and
sometimes we do rely too much onequipment, and our equipment really hasn't changed
much in the last twenty years.No, you're really You're so right on
that, and that's a big bugabooof mine is what can we do to
push it forward? So I justthought there, I don't want to get
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into this just yet because we're aboutready to take our first break, but
I'm interested in hearing probably your mostsignificant experience in how you felt after it.
Now you've been to the state,You've been in New York, you
said yes in Ohio, and you'veobviously been to Florida. Did you actually
investigate in Florida? I did.It was like a long time ago,
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so I definitely didn't have the experienceor the equipment that I have now.
But yeah, I walked through thewhole lighthouse, and you know, just
kind of really appreciated the history,I guess more so than really did a
proper investigation. And the history isa really, really, really important part
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about what we do, at leastin my opinion. I love that.
I love the history, probably oneof the biggest draws for me going into
these older locations. Well, we'lltalk about that and some of the other
items on this list that I havein front of me. So folks,
stay with us. We'll be backright after these messages with my guests tonight.
Kim Moser, Stay tuned we'll beright back and we are back comparing
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or will stay out with my guesttonight, Kim Moser. Now, Kim,
I want to talk to you aboutsome of these places that you you
went. But a couple of questionsup front, things I like to talk
about in front. You you'd sayin your bio. In your bio,
you're somewhat skeptical. Tell me whatyou tell me what you mean by that.
I think it's more or less likeI'm I'm the first person who is
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like, okay, was that adraft? Okay? Is there a huge
electronic spike in this room for oneparticular reason? Is it an old fridge?
Like I'm always the first person tokind of be the naye there,
and then when something continuously happens inthe space, I'm like, okay,
now I'm going to think about it. And there's even sometimes when I go
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home after an investigation and I'm like, no, I really didn't feel that
one maybe maybe ghosts aren't real.And then I'll go to the next location
and I'll be like, oh mygosh, I'm blown away. And so
then you know, after I sitwith it for a little while, then
I'm like, Okay, maybe I'mback on the train that ghosts are real.
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But now I'd say I'm more likeseventy five percent in the positive of
ghosts are being with ghosts being real, Well, what is when somebody's skeptical?
What does that mean to you?I mean that you've explained how you
feel. But what is Because here'swhy we've got folks in this field that
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every little bump is something paranormal supernatural, right, And you've got other folks
on the other side of the field. If Abraham Lincoln walked down and walked
over, set down front of himsaid look, dude, this is what's
happened on the other side, theystill wouldn't believe it. Right, So
where you say about seventy five towardsbelieving it? But my question is why
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why are people Why can't folks justtake a side or why can't they be
more open mind? I guess thequestion I'm trying to ask. Yeah,
I don't know. It's it's afunny thing. Like you know, there
used to be a joke going aroundabout people who were vegans and they were
like, don't worry, they'll tellyou. And it seems that way with
people who are like one hundred percentskeptical. They'll tell you. They'll be
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like, oh, you're crazy,or you know, there's no such thing
as ghosts, And I'm like,well, why can't you just have a
bit of an open mind? AndI've had lots of conversations with people who
are one hundred percent skeptics, andI'm like, hey, I'm I'm not
gonna sit here and tell you allthe reasons why I do believe that there's
more to be explored and that there'smore out there. I'm just going to
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wait till you have your own experiencethat you can quite explain, and then
we'll chat. Sometimes they don't,they don't ever have those experiences. No,
Yeah, and uh, and that'sand that's the problem. Some people
don't. No matter what what theydid have, they're still not going to
accept it. And and I thinkhaving the open mind is the is the
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truly the answer there, and toomany people don't. You've got to have
an open mind, which means you'realso willing to follow the evidence. Sometimes
the evidence says it's not there rightnow. Now. Speaking of evidence,
what what to you is convincing evidence? I've had some that really stick out
my brain. You know things thatI really after I've molded over, I
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think about things way too much.So after I've molded over probably hundreds of
times in my brain, and Istill can't quite figure it out or it's
still very strange to me, iswhen I'm like, Okay, that was
really interesting and that's captivating me rightnow. So some of the things that
have happened to me that have beenvery captivating. It's for a very long
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time I wished that I could seethis you know, quote unquote ghost that
like white, misty figure, andit wasn't until very recently that I saw
and it was just for a veryflash second. It was right in front
of me, and I couldn't believethe amount of detail that I saw in
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this misty figure. I've heard ofother people talking about it, for other
people being able to tell me that, you know, they saw this ghost
of a woman standing on a stairwellthat was about you know, ten to
fifteen feet away from her, andshe could see the lace detail on her
dress. And I was like,that is so convincing to me, Like
I do not doubt for one secondthat you that you're you're telling a lie,
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Like I can tell that you sawthat. And so this one instance
that I had recently, it wasan elderly lady and she had this you
know when older ladies get their hairpermed and they've got those really tight little
ringlets and they haven't brushed it throughyet. I could see the perfect curls,
and I could see all the differentvariations of gray colors through her hair,
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and I was like, this isso fascinating to me. And then
another thing that's kind of really stuckgoing in my mind are shadow people.
I mean, often, if you'rein a dark space or your eyes are
adjusting, you see like little,you know, things that are the corner
of your eye, and people callthose shadow people. But until I saw
one that was six feet away fromme, I wasn't convinced. But then
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I saw one, and then Isaw them again, and then I saw
them again in different spaces, andI'm like, Okay, that's really compelling
to me and anybody else see them. Thinking about the three times I've absolutely
seen shadow people. The first one, yes, two of my friends,
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my husband and my friend actually werethere and he's a skeptic, so we
all collectively saw them. And thesecond time, no, it was just
me, but that's when it wassuper up close and personal and it terrified
me. The camera that was rollingbecause we were filming this one TV series.
It was pointed at an angle onthe stairwell that just missed where I
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saw it, and so we wentback. I know. I mean,
you see how terrified I am inthe situation because I'm running, I'm panting,
I'm freaking out. And then thethird instance was recently in Ohio and
both myself and my other teammate,Chelsea. She was the one that first
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caught it down at the end ofthe hallway and I was like, oh,
what are you seeing? I wantto see this too, and she's
like, just be patient, you'regoing to see it. And sure enough
I saw it, and then herpartner he was like, well, I
want to see it. We allhad cameras pointing down to the end of
the hallway too, and he couldn'tsee it. But then when he went
to go back and look at thefootage to compile the episode, you see
it in the episode, you seeit on the footage. It's amazing on
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film. Yeah. See, that'sthe problem if you being a cop,
an old cop, if you don'thave it documented it didn't exist. I
know. That's just the way itis. And that's unfortunately a very,
very big, the biggest problem wehave in this field. So often you
don't get it. So how doyou explain to somebody you saw it,
you saw the tight curls in thisapparition's hair, but you've got no proof.
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Is it evidence? Probably to mostpeople know, but you know,
it's it's a memory. For me, it's something that I believe legitimately happened.
Well, and Kim, this isjust my philosophy. You cannot say
that this phenomenon does not exist.It's occurred over too many, too many
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millenniums. It's occurred to too manypeople of every social economic level, every
culture, every race of people haveall had experiences. It's got to be
something, right, not to besomething. Now you talk about your evidence,
do you guys collect it and doyou use it to and do you
compare it to other investigations for similarities. No, A lot of this footage
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is of my own, so Ihaven't had the opportunity to do that.
However, I've been documenting all ofmy investigations at least for the past three
or four years. Just you know, writing things down my own experiences.
Also with dreams I've been ever sincemy grandmother had passed away, I've had
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some probably a handful of really profounddreams about other people's loved ones that are
close to me that I feel havea message to give to them. So
I've compiled all those because as soonas I wake up it feels different.
It's just it's just like I watcheda movie six times over. And then
I've also had some experiences with dreamsbefore I go into an investigation, and
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I don't know if it's like thespirits of the house that are like,
hey, we know you're coming.But I have had a couple of instances
that have been documented on television ofme describing what my dream looked like and
who was in the dream. Andthen I've had people who have watched the
episode reach out to me and say, hey, my grandfather grew up in
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that house and you described him perfectly. I'm like, Okay, that's pretty
cool. So I don't have sortof like a big filing cabinet of evidence,
but it's really not a bad idea. Well, it's the only way
that we're going to be able toprove the existence of someday. Well,
some folks do this to get thethrill, to have the fund. Some
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folks do it for the research angleof it, to try and solve this
mystery that's been with us since mankindbegan. Yeah, and unless we collect
that evidence and keep it and compareit, there's not a whole lot.
It doesn't help us. We don'tmove forward. Would you agree? So?
I agree. There's oftentimes where'm like, maybe I should write a book.
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I don't know how else to reallycompile all this evidence. I guess
a lot of it is just hearsayif I don't have like video footage or
anything, But maybe I'll get onthat. Well, but the hearsay is
good. But and if two orthree people saw it, or two or
three people over the same amount oftime have seen the same thing, documenting
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is helpful. One of the thingsI'm getting at here is also the historical
angle of it. Ladies standing therewearing a specific looking gown with tight curls
in her Maybe there's a photograph ofa woman that looks like that in a
history book, and that history bookgives you her name and her background history.
That is something that can that canbe used as at least a circumstantial
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evidence if nothing else. Absolutely,I don't feel like I would ever have
the opportunity to sleep though, becauseI'm one of those people that if you
put me on a rabbit hole,I'm going down and I'm not going to
surface for a long time. Well, I think, unfortunately, I think
that's what it's going to take,because that kind of work is what is
what we're going to need to getourselves to the next level. Otherwise we're
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going to just be doing the samething over and over again, and we're
not It's just gonna be like ona treadmient, We're not going to be
moving anywhere. So just a thought. So the evidence is there is really
important. Now you talk about yourselfbeing a little sensitive, I am as
sensitive as this computer or the deskI'm sitting at. I'm an old cop.
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I need hard evidence, although Ido have an open mind, So
I'm continuing out there looking. Howdo you feel about mediums overall in the
use of in paranormal investigations. Ithink it's I think it's certainly fascinating,
and I think there's evidence of itof it actually working, and I probably
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would not have felt that way untilI had these dreams and I had these
messages, and I had these thingsthat these people who had passed tell me
about them in their lives that Ishouldn't know. There was one circumstance where
somebody who lived across the street fromme, their son had completed suicide,
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and he came to me in adream about two or three months later,
and I was able to tell thingsto the mother about this dream and the
messages that he had, and Iwas done. She looked at me and
she's like, you've told me thingsthat only me, you and the corner.
No. So for me having thatown my own experience, I definitely
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think there's some credibility to it.And all that thought for just a second,
because we're up in our break again. So hey, we've got lots
to talk about, folks, sostay with us. We'll be back right
after these messages here on Paranormal Steakout. Be right back, and we are
back on Paranormal Steakout with my guesttonight, Kim Moser. Kim, great
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conversation so far, very very interesting. The places that you've been, the
things that you've done, Uh,tell me, have you in all your
work, and you started off alittle later in life. And I didn't
have experiences as a kid either.Mine were as an adult, and it
started in the Saint Augustine Lighthouse,well early one of the early ones of
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the Saint Augustine Lighthouse. But inall the places that you've gone now,
the folks that you've talked to,the shows that you've done, have you
run across any fakes Charlatan's scammers?Yeah? How often? Probably probably only
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once. To be honest with you, I'm sure because of your background,
you have a very keen sense ofunderstanding if somebody is lying or understanding,
you know their personality pretty quickly.And I felt that way the moment I
met this person, and then asI continue to work with them, I
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don't want to give too much away, but as I continue to work with
them, I was just like,I can I can see that this is
an anxiety issue, Like this isnot you feeling or tapping into something.
This is you being anxious, youknow, like you start to see the
knee jitters, You start to seea lot of different things and yeah,
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is that a fake or is thatsomebody that is just misinterpreting their emotions?
I think it's a bit of both. Maybe they're over exaggerating a little bit.
How about some have you encountered anybodywho has uh fled out fabricated something
in order to get on a TVshow. I don't know that anybody's fabricated
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to be on a TV show,certainly not in any of my circumstances.
Like the show that I was onfor six seasons, Like you know,
there was instances where somebody said somethingsomething that was kind of like interesting to
sort of close out a segment,and the camera wasn't rolling, so we
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were like, oh darn, canyou just say that thing again? Because
that was a cool little hook.But it wasn't like there was no like
evidence or anybody claiming anything. Therewas none of that. Because that seems
to be one of the one ofthe new topics of discussion on YouTube and
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particularly is debunking some of the ghostshows out there, some of the ones.
Some of them are some of theones that got us interested early on.
And you've got to wonder, now, I think you'll agree with me,
Especially on broadcast TV, you don'thave a lot of excitement, and
enough people aren't watching. The show'snot making money. That can lead to
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issues, and I think that suggestionhas been made at times over the years.
YouTube, I think is probably alittle bit different. But do you
think that instances where people are questioningthe authenticity the integrity of investigators on shows,
how bad does it hurt us?I think some of it's valid.
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I definitely think some of it's valid, which is unfortunate because we're out there
looking for truth. I mean,the people who are really passionate about it
may not even be the best TVpersonality, so you know, they're not
getting the right representation out there.There's other you know, TV shows out
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there that maybe do fake things.Maybe there's you know, producers behind the
scene, especially if there's an investigationor sorry, especially if there's an interview
with somebody who's had a first handaccount they say, hey, my house
is haunted. I definitely believe thatthere's producers back there that are like,
Okay, now make sure that thisis this good television. So we're going
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to put you in this state thatyou're emotionally distressed, and you're going to
make this really interesting. I thinkthat can happen. I'm hoping that there's
no shows out there that are puttingfalse evidence out there. They definitely think.
There's certain circumstances where like I canlook at a show and I'm like,
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that's pushing it a little bit,just embellished. We'll say, sure
they caught that EVP, but didthey embellish it a little bit? Maybe,
well, and of course cleaning itup a little bit so it's a
little bit clearer. I get that, but actually fabricating it. And I
guess what I'm getting at is peopleare people. Humans are humans. Humans
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do what's in the best interest ofhumans. So many so often I'm just
calling it like it is, andI can see where that can cause issues,
especially like I said, on broadcastTV, where they were they need
to have audiences. Yeah, buthow do we combat that? How do
I mean? In my opinion,TV shows help bring this to the forefront,
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which made it a more common discussion, topic of discussion and made more
people willing to discuss it. SoI think it helped in that sense.
But how do we keep the phonies, the fakes, the producers that want
to make sure the show gets anuprating, whatever the reason. How do
we keep that from happening so thatfolks watching these programs can feel comfortable that
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what they're seeing is what they get. Any thoughts on that, Yeah,
it's a really good question. Iguess there's two things that I would like
to talk about in regards to that. One is that I kind of fear
for where the paranormal television series aregoing right now, because in my opinion,
there's been some really great shows outthere, like Destination Fear. You
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know, you have this whole adventure, they're going to abandoned buildings, they've
got a really great dynamic, andthen the next thing you know, their
show is canceled, and it's like, well, they were probably one of
the most popular shows out there,so why are they canceled? And then
there's sort of whispers about some otherparanormal shows that have been around for a
long time that are having troubles gettingreactivated for a new season. And I
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know that there's been a lot oftopic a lot of people talking about there's
sort of just like a web basedshow, I guess, so like a
show where there's nobody going in andinvestigating, it's all just kind of hearsay.
There's recreations, it's just more orless storytelling, and probably because those
have a lower budget, they're theones that are getting the green light from
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the larger networks. So that's whatmakes me anxious about the future of the
television series right now. But Ithink one very interesting way that we could
maybe get into something that is alittle bit more evidence based, like you
had said, maybe backing up someevidence, doing some very interesting sort of
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scientific methods with investigators that are willingto do so, but going into like
different frequencies, doing things like whatthey did in the Stargate project, where
you know, they're monitoring people whohave the ability to view things in a
different room or a different space altogether, sort of like laboratory sort of investigations.
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I think would be incredible. Wellsee, and I think you actually
have an incredible opportunity you you're filmingeverything with quality production type of equipment,
keeping that, examining it, goingover it, and then using what you
find to compare to other investigations mightprovide a lot of answers. And I
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think you guys have an excellent opportunityto do to do something like that just
based upon what you what you havegoing for you in production makes sense,
yeah, for sure. So somethingto think about there, because evidence is
where it's at, and that's that'show we're going to find the answers either
way. Yeah, So what doyou think this all is? What?
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What are paranormals experiences? What isthe other side is? What is Kim
Moser's philosophy about ghosts? I thinkit changes. I think it changes often.
I think the more I know,it's like knowledge is power, right,
So the more I know, I'mlike, hmm, maybe I thought
about that earlier, but now I'vegot this broader knowledge. So I think
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that it's kind of simplistic when itcomes down to it. You know,
if you want to think that we'rewell, we are are all energy,
Like where does that energy go?And then you look at how small Earth
is in this massive universe, It'slike, yeah, we're the dust underneath
somebody's rug right now, and we'reexperiencing all these things and we have all
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these feelings, and it's I thinkthere's just I think there's a certain element
that we're not supposed to know.But I also think that we just have
not tapped into everything that we canknow. So I think it's a world
of possibilities out there. I thinkit all has to do with energy.
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And can we go Where do youthink we go? I want to think
that we go to like a heavenof some sort. You know. I
was brought up, I was broughtup Christian. I still have some Christian
beliefs, but I also kind tofeel like I've adapted my own sort of
spiritual slash religion and outlook on things. So I want to believe that there's
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no time, there's no space,that once we leave this body and our
energy goes elsewhere, we have theability to be in two or three different
places at different times. I feellike our life here is nothing but a
learning experience. Yeah, I justthere's so much. There's so much I
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can't even like really put a pinheadon that for you. And and actually
I put you in a bad spotbecause nobody knows what this is. Anybody
that tells you didn't know exactly whata ghost is or fooling themselves. This
is my opinion, because we don'tknow the answers. Is that us?
Is it Einstein's general theory relativity thattalks about dimensions? Is it the power
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of our own brain? What isit? Is it a collective conscious?
We don't know. And I thinkyour answers is about as good as it's
going to get, because nobody knowsfor sure what the heck this is.
Where do you think the futures holds? Where do you think we need to
go from here? I don't know. I don't even know what I'm going
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to wear tomorrow. I have noidea. I really don't. I feel
like, you know, where Ithought we were going with the paranormal community
and the television series that we're outthere. We're really compelling and really interesting
and really fun to watch and greatpersonalit and good evidence are disappearing. So
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I don't know what happened. Maybeit all kind of starn money money.
But are they real? It's agreat question, and I think that's a
question a lot of folks ask andwould like answers to me. Now,
a lot of folks would like tobelieve certain shows are real? But are
they? And is that what's creatingpart of the problem, because like I
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said, nobody knows exactly what thisphenomenon is. Where do you see yourself
in five years with this? Idon't know. Five years ago, I
never expected to be in this situation. So I would love I would love
to have a television series that Ihave a larger hand in selecting my team
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members, going a little bit deeperwith the historical part of investigations. I
would love to be a part ofsomething like that. Experiments and evidence and
collection evidence real important. I'll justtoss that into you to you as you
create this show for the future,because that's where's that's where it's going to
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be at. But we're about readyto take our last break, and when
we come back, I'm gonna Iwant to hear about some of these places
that you went to. I wantto hear about your most exciting experience and
all those good things. So folks, stay tuned. We got one more
time out and then we'll be backhere on Paranormal Steakout. See you a
couple of minutes, and welcome backto Paranormal steak Out with my guest tonight,
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Kim Moser. Just want to remindeverybody if you want to learn a
little bit more about me and myteam, you can go to Paranormal FBI
dot com or Indian River Hauntings dotcom where you can see not only the
investigations that we do, but someof the historical tours that we do.
For folks. Check us also outon YouTube It's at Indian River Hauntings two
three four one, and check myshow out all my other shows at paranormal
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steakout dot org. I would beremiss if I did not mention all the
great programming on the X on Radioand TV Broadcast Network. Check us out
at Xlradio TV dot net. You'llsee all the great shows there. If
you want to really delve into theall sides of the paranormal, check out
the X one Radio and TV BroadcastNetwork for some great shows. Now,
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Kim tell us a little bit aboutyour your your your podcast and where they
can find you and how folks cancheck in with you. Yeah. So,
my old podcast was Booze and Bourbon, which you can still find on
Spotify and YouTube, and then morerecently I've kind of been expanding on my
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Instagram as well as my own YouTubechannel, doing weekly five minutes short information
sessions on the paranormal. So youcan find that on Instagram, which is
Kim's Darker Side, and my YouTubechannel is also named the same, Kim's
Darker Side. I don't know ifI want to see your darker side that
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might be scary, but okay,and your website commosure dot info. Yes,
that's correct, Okay, terrific,So check those out, folks.
A interesting podcast, Booze and Bourbon. How did you come up with that
one? Yeah, So, mybest friend and I we really wanted to
start a podcast. We wanted tostart a hobby just to kind of escape
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the everyday nine to five, andso we wanted to come up with something
that had a you know, obviouslyreminiscent of being a paranormal based show.
So that's where the booze came in. But we also loved getting together and
just drinking wine or drinking whiskey.So my husband has been collecting bourbon for
quite some time and it wasn't untilabout ten years ago that I was like,
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oh, I'm onto this. Isee why you like it so much.
So we would often pair a differentbourbon with a ghost story or a
ghost theme. Got it. Gotit? So you've been investigating pretty regularly
since twenty eighteen. That's right,Yeah, you've gone to some interesting spots.
Tell tell us what was your mostsignificant experience and where was it.
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Well, as time goes on,you know, you think you've hit the
pinnacle of having the scariest thing happenedto you. But then you go to
a more recent place and you're like, oh, that was terrifying, And
I remember exactly how I felt inthat moment. So about about a month
ago now, we were in NewYork and we went to this very sort
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of unassuming bed and breakfast, dida little bit of research about it on
our way there. It's a placecalled Greystone Manor and just looks like kind
of a regular, beautiful old house, and so we get there. The
place is owned by psychic medium.She's lovely, she's been on a bunch
of television series, and she startstelling us a little bit of the history
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we have the house, and startshowing us evidence that she had on her
phone, which automatically made me alittle bit terrified because we're seeing all this
evidence of people getting scratched or bitten. And she has this beautiful sense of
decor. So she has all thisold taxidermy and just like every room was
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so well put together in items withthat we're in line with the period of
the house. So it looked beautiful, and I thought, maybe looks can
be deceiving, like this kind offeels like the Disney haunted house. This
is amazing, and so we gowhen we do our investigation, we get
some pretty typical stuff. So it'sLamar and Chelsea and I and Chelsea is
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very much a medium. I oftenwill look to her and I'll be like,
did you see that in the cornerAnd she's like, oh, yeah,
this, did you see that?Shadow? Like she backs me up.
It's great. So we're in thisone particular room that she was very
fine, and she's saying like,I'm feeling like there's a lot of power
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here. I'm feeling like some anger, I'm feeling all of these things.
And I was like, okay,is this power your own? Like,
is this a power that you feellike you need to have it you want
to have it? And she's like, I feel like something is putting their
power into me. And I'm like, that's interesting. We haven't really heard
of that before. We're seeing ithappen in an investigation, so that's really
interesting. And then she's like,you know what, my back hurts.
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I'm like, okay, let's getout of this room. So we get
out of the room and she's likeno, like it really hurts. And
so I said, well, canwe look at your back, and so
we did. We lifted up theback of her shirt and there was a
giant welted scratch, like bright brightred, in the shape of a hook,
and it was probably i don't know, eight to ten inches long on
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her back and I pressed on itand it was like hot, like so
so hot to the touch. AndI mean, I've been investigating with other
people before who have said, like, oh, I feel like something scratched
me on my wrist, and Ilook at it and I'm like, well,
that was just from your own nail, Like come on, you know,
I kind of get that little naisein me. But this was something
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that I had never encountered before.I mean, I was watching her.
I was like three feet away fromher in that room the whole time,
and there is no way that shecould have could have inflicted something like that
on her own back. It wasjust terrifying. And that's when we decided
we needed to leave. And thatwas the first time that I've ever left
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a place during an investigation. Twothings I'm going to say. First of
all, did you take a pictureof it? Of course, we did,
outstanding, Okay. The second thingis is a question about some of
the famous, and you've been toWaverley, Waverley Hills, the Conjuring House.
Do you think sometimes those big nameplaces sometimes get worn out, maybe
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out overfished, as some of usfishermen would say, too many fish caught
out of the pond, or maybeit's just tired of having people come in
there. Yeah. I kind ofwondered that myself. When I went to
the Lizzie Bordon House, I wasn'treally expecting much, but we got some
really interesting stuff that night, andI thought, okay, so this is
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not overplayed, this is not youknow, just a money grab, like
there is something actually here. Thenwhen I went to Waverley Hills, also
thought that there was a lot ofinteresting stuff going on there. I will
say when I went to the ConjuringHouse, I had very little activity,
and I didn't feel as scared asI thought I would be, because you
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know, that was kind of thebiggest thing on my bucket list to go
to. It was the Conjuring House, especially after you know, the COVID
oat break and we couldn't get acrossthe border and all I wanted to do
was get across the border to gothere. There was all this heightened excitement,
and then I got there and Iwas like, hmm. I've talked
to a lot of people who havegone to the Conjuring house and they said,
oh, no, you were justthere on a bad day. And
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I look back and there was justvery recently an ownership change as well.
So I don't know, if youknow, there was just a certain mood
in the house that wasn't quite thesame, or it was just an off
night. Maybe there was lots ofactivity the night before. I don't know.
Well, that's two huge issues.One thing that we all have to
remember that if there is somebody onthe other side that does want to contact
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this, they're going to do iton their time, not because we demand
it right exactly. So sometimes andit's like fish and sometimes they're biting,
sometimes they're not, So you're notgoing to get everything something every time.
But I wonder if sometimes these largerplaces not so much that they our money
grabs, as it is, justthey're fished out, like whatsever there is
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just I don't want to deal withyou guys, and they're quiet for a
period of time. So I haveoften wondered about that, and certainly I
have seen my fair shriffs spots thatare hot numbers. Boy, everybody goes
there, and when you really lookat the evidence, there's not a whole
lot there. So I guess youcould look at it for both angles.
Once again, this is where historicalresearch and in depth investigation really really does
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help. There Saint Augustine, youknow, it's kind of funny. I've
been there a dozen times, eleventimes, always had something happened. My
entire team had the whole place toourselves a year ago this month almost really
almost nothing, almost nothing, Soyou know, but once again that happens.
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Now. Tell me about your SaintAugustine experience. Well, there was
really nothing. Honestly, there wasreally nothing compelling. I think my mind
just sort of went down this journeyof imagining what it was like, and
you know the story about the girl, so I think it was more of
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a visual journey than really finding anycompelling evidence. Yeah, that's that is
a very compelling journey of what happenedthere and the two little girls dying and
whatnot. My older boy bags totwenty ten, which started it all for
me. There we were in thelighthouse and heard the curls laughing. Well,
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well, what do I do?As a cop. The first thing
I'm doing, I'm looking for wiresand speakers, figuring somebody is piping something
into enhance the place, but nope, there was nothing there. And this
shows about you. So I won'tgo into all the things that have happened
to me over the years there,but we've had some very compelling events occur
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on us there. But we werethere last January as my whole team,
all the equipment set up, hardlyanything that's just way is that going now?
You know you need to go back? Yeah, well eventually it's just
up the road, so we candefinitely get back there. Lizzie Bordenhouse.
You know, there's a lot offolks that talk about what happens there.
What's the most significant thing that happenedto you with Lizzy Board We used the
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spirit box a lot, and it'sit's a homemade spirit box that I use.
And the amount of times that actscame through on the radio because technically,
you know, it's a radio swoopingradio stations. I thought there's no
way that there's this many radio stationstalking about axes in like a five minute
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period, So that was kind ofstrange to me. And then my girlfriends.
I was doing the Estes method,so I was under the headphones with
my spirit box and they had adevice behind them on the bed in the
murder room. And every single timewe would ask a question or they would
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ask a question about, you know, was Lizzie interfered with or was someone
interfered within the attic? Is thereyou know, allegations of abuse And it
would go off every single time.And I went back and I compiled all
the evidence, which you can seeon my YouTube as well. But yeah,
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it was kind of startling, andI was like, well, if
she is guilty, then maybe shehad a good reason to do it.
Maybe she couldn't escape her own traumaticlife and that was her best option.
I don't know. But my friendwas staying up in the attic and you
know, her room was locked.She's terrified of the dark, so she
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left her light on up there,and as soon as we go up to
investigate her room, the light's offand she's like, well, that's weird.
I left the light on. Thenwe go and we check the lamp
and there's nothing wrong with the lamp. The light bulb was screwed in,
the lamp was plugged in, andso then we started asking, well,
you know the gentleman of the house, I forget his name, Andrew Borden.
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Maybe he was very conservaive with usingelectricity. So we're like, you
know, are you trying to conservepower if this is Andrew Borden And the
light would flicker And then we allhad issues with our cell phones at the
same time, so the go proswe're shutting down our cell phones that we
were recording off we're doing I'd arguethat one hard to argue with that.
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Well, unfortunately, Kim, ourtime has run out for tonight, but
I do appreciate you being here.Some great stories. I want to wish
you a lot of luck in yourendeavors. Remember collection of evidence, Yes,
Dah, thank you for that advice. I really appreciate it. And
thank you so much for having meon your show. It's been great.
Well, I've enjoyed it, andthanks again. We'll hope to see you
again soon. And folks, thatends our show for tonight. I want
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to thank all of you for beinghere. Remember to give those kids a
hug man. There are futures,so you got to take care of our
kids. So everybody take care andwe'll see you on the other side.
Have a good night, folks.
Welcome to the Paranormal Stakeout Radio TVshow with Larry Lawson. As a former
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Welcome back to Paranormal Steakhoud. I'myour host, Larry Lawson, coming
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If you're interested in learning more aboutus, you can check us out
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or thoughts right here at the beginningof each show. So I'm really glad
you're here. This is our firstshow for twenty twenty four. Really excited
to be back again this year.I hope everybody had a very blessed holiday
season, and I hope everybody wassafe and let's make twenty twenty four the
best. Now my guest tonight,been looking forward to having her on.
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She is a writer, she isa media personality, she is a storyteller,
and of course she's a paranormal investigator. Kim Moser comes to us from
Canada and since twenty eighteen, whenshe began writing and telling paranormal stories on
her podcast, she became even moreinterested and later became a paranormal investigator.
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Since then, she's had a extensiveamount of experience and has traveled all over,
including a lot of spots here inthe States. Some of those spots
are includes the Waverly Hill Sanatorium We'veall heard of that, the Conjuring House,
Lizzie Bordenhouse, the Fitz Black Shop, the Witch House in Salem,
and a place that's near and dearto me, the Saint Augustine Lighthouse,
which is where it all began forme. So with that, I'd like
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to welcome Kim Moser to Paranormal Steakout. Kim, Welcome, Hi, Larry,
how you doing. Thank you somuch for having me on the show.
Real excited about that I must becold up there right now. It
is. Yeah, they're smell onthe ground. Well, it was cold
here today. I think we hitsixty five. So wow, I feel
for you. I've got to takethose digs where I can at any rate.
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Tell us a little bit about yourself. You've got really an interesting background.
You really didn't have experiences or youas a child. I actually did
have a few small experiences, butit was it was more of like a
little scary experience. Nothing that wassuper profound, nothing that I sort of
saw a misty white figure with myeyes. I was always very much a
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dreamer and I would have extremely vividdreams. And then in my early twenties,
my grandmother wasn't expected to pass away, but she passed away. In
the night that she did, Ihad a very vivid dream about her,
and she was telling me that shewas going, and it was so vivid
that I could I could see herperfectly. She was wearing her favorite outfit,
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I could smell her, I touchedher, and that was pretty much
it. She was just gone.And so when I woke up, I
was obviously very distressed, and mypartner at the time was like, you
know, just go back to bed. You had a bad dream. I'm
like, no, I really thinkshe's gone. And so I managed to
get back to sleep, and veryearly in the morning, my mother called
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me to let me know that hermother had passed away. And I said,
Mom, you're not going to believethis, but you know me and
my dreams, and she said yeah, And I said, I had a
dream about her last night and shewas telling me that she was going.
And she said, well, that'sreally interesting. When did you have the
dream and I said, well,it was sometime between two fifteen and two
thirty. And she said, well, that's the last time that somebody went
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to check on her when she wasalive at two fifteen, and when she
had passed at two thirty. Soshe said, I really wish I would
have had a dream like that,and I said, I know, I
just I don't know why you didn't. And I did why I was a
special one. So anyway, thatkind of really intrigued me, and I
wanted to know a lot more aboutwhat happens after you die. So I
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just started diving into books and reallygot into the topic. And then,
you know, lived a pretty regularlife for the next fifteen years or so,
and you know, it was insales. I sold food, I
sold Coca Cola, I sold awhole bunch of stuff like that. And
then my last sales job, Iwas selling forklifts and I was like,
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this is not my passion. What'smy passion? So my best friend and
I decided we'd start a podcast,which was called Booze and Bourbon. I
get the sticker still on this microphoneright there, and that just kind of
spiraled. So we got to travelto the States for some small investigations,
and then it wasn't too much longerafter that that a local television series reached
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out and they said, hey,we're looking for some new investigators. Do
you think you'd be interested? AndI'm like, of course I would be.
So I started on that and thenwithin a couple of months, I
was the production manager for the showand I continued that for six seasons.
And now I'm a director, soI don't just direct, you know,
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paranormal spooky stuff. I direct someseries that have to do with antique cars
as well as fashion in Atlantic Canada, so I'm pretty diverse. And now
what I'm doing is I'm doing paranormalinvestigations on YouTube with a couple of my
friends, Lamar and Chelsea, Sothat's been really fun. We have been
traveling to the States as well sinceI sent you that little summary of places
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that I've been to. We spenta lot of time in New York and
Ohio too, so we just hadsome really great experiences there. I got
to ask where you were at inOhio that happens to be my original stopping
are out. Oh really, Well, we went to the Fairfield County Infirmary,
which was probably the most active placeI've ever been to. I saw
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so many things that I never everthought I would see. And then where
else did we go in Ohio?Oh a place called Father John's and it
used to be a monastery and thenthis guide ended up turning it into a
brewery, and there was a cryptin the floor of the dining room with
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a brewery, and they think thatmight be why it's haunted. But also
the owner of this place has traveledthe world. He's really into religious relics,
so he has sort of a mixof like Buddhist relics and Christian relics,
and people think that maybe there's sortof some residual hauntings because of all
of the artifacts that are there.Interesting. Do you go to Mansfield State?
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No, we didn't. There's somany places in Ohio. I was
completely blown away. I was like, we need to go back. So
you've obviously delved into the field prettyheavily now, and you're obviously attending a
lot of spots, and we're goingto get to Saint Augustine eventually. Here.
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Other than your experience that you hadwith your grammar, which is profound,
and I think that whole dream issueis something that is not investigated deeply
enough. What did you do toprepare yourself to become an investigator after telling
the stories? And I'd love toknow where Booze and Bourbon came from.
That's an interesting title. But whatdid you do to prepare yourself and get
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yourself ready to actually begin investigating?Well? I kind of did a little
bit with the podcast. We justdid very like kind of rudimentary types of
investigations. We had some voice recordersand a K two meter and we would
go to you know, small littleareas here around where I live in Nova
Scotia and just kind of check themout and see what was going on.
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And we ended up getting some prettyinteresting stuff, things that correlated to the
stories that we knew, or youknow, things that were kind of correlating
to the time. So we'd getback in the car and we realized that
we still had one of one ofthe devices going and it said like you
need you need to park here,and we're like, we just got in
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the car. That's kind of cool. So we were already a little bit
intrigued by the whole thought of investigating. And then I really didn't have any
you know, experience on television untilI was on the show, and there
were some other investigators on the showtoo, so they kind of helped.
I mean, I've watched so manyparanormal investigative shows too. I think that
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was like my training and I didn'teven realize it, but really just kind
of tapping into the space, youknow, doing some sort of like protection
rituals of some way shape or form, just kind of you know, surrounding
myself in white light. And Iwas like, Okay, I'm ready for
this. But it really wasn't untilI would be you know, isolated in
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a situation that I was like,I don't think I'm ready for this,
because i'd be all alone. I'mlike, Okay, what's gonna if something
happens, something comes charging at me, Who's going to help me? They're
really far away. So that's whenI was like, maybe I'm a little
bit out of my element here.So it took me, honestly, it
took me a couple of years toreally kind of get comfortable with being in
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a space all by myself. Didyou ever get an opportun tunity? Did
anybody offer you the opportunities to actuallytrain you or give you a little bit
more formal training it at all?And if not, do you think that
would have helped you? I don'tknow. I just kind of I just
kind of go with what feels naturalto me. There are some people out
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there that have been a quote unquotementor for me, and I really didn't
like their style. I really didn'tlike the way that they were maybe antagonizing
the spirits if we were talking toa spirit. So I kind of feel
like I've developed my own way thatfeels very natural to me. I've got
over one hundred investigations under my beltnow, so I feel like I might
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be able to teach a thing ortwo to someone. And experience is probably
the best teacher. You talk aboutequipment and things like that. Do you
use a lot of equipment? Now? I do. But the thing that
I find with equipment is it's sofinicky, Like there's sometimes when it won't
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go off and it should or there'stimes when it goes off and it shouldn't.
So I tend to look at theequipment as sort of something that backs
up what I'm feeling. So Iwouldn't necessarily classify myself as a medium.
I would say that I'm certainly sensitiveto certain spaces. So if I'm feeling,
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you know, the presence of ayoung woman that might be in despair,
and then I have this device spitout words at me that correlate with
that, then I'm like, Okay, I think maybe we're onto something.
So I kind of use it asa little bit of a backup, all
right. I mean, I thinkthat's an issue that most folks, well,
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we really don't know what this phenomenonis. We really don't, and
sometimes we do rely too much onequipment, and our equipment really hasn't changed
much in the last twenty years.No, you're really You're so right on
that, and that's a big bugabooof mine is what can we do to
push it forward? So I justthought there, I don't want to get
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into this just yet because we're aboutready to take our first break, but
I'm interested in hearing probably your mostsignificant experience in how you felt after it.
Now you've been to the state,You've been in New York, you
said yes in Ohio, and you'veobviously been to Florida. Did you actually
investigate in Florida? I did.It was like a long time ago,
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so I definitely didn't have the experienceor the equipment that I have now.
But yeah, I walked through thewhole lighthouse, and you know, just
kind of really appreciated the history,I guess more so than really did a
proper investigation. And the history isa really, really, really important part
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about what we do, at leastin my opinion. I love that.
I love the history, probably oneof the biggest draws for me going into
these older locations. Well, we'lltalk about that and some of the other
items on this list that I havein front of me. So folks,
stay with us. We'll be backright after these messages with my guests tonight.
Kim Moser, Stay tuned we'll beright back and we are back comparing
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or will stay out with my guesttonight, Kim Moser. Now, Kim,
I want to talk to you aboutsome of these places that you you
went. But a couple of questionsup front, things I like to talk
about in front. You you'd sayin your bio. In your bio,
you're somewhat skeptical. Tell me whatyou tell me what you mean by that.
I think it's more or less likeI'm I'm the first person who is
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like, okay, was that adraft? Okay? Is there a huge
electronic spike in this room for oneparticular reason? Is it an old fridge?
Like I'm always the first person tokind of be the naye there,
and then when something continuously happens inthe space, I'm like, okay,
now I'm going to think about it. And there's even sometimes when I go
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home after an investigation and I'm like, no, I really didn't feel that
one maybe maybe ghosts aren't real.And then I'll go to the next location
and I'll be like, oh mygosh, I'm blown away. And so
then you know, after I sitwith it for a little while, then
I'm like, Okay, maybe I'mback on the train that ghosts are real.
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But now I'd say I'm more likeseventy five percent in the positive of
ghosts are being with ghosts being real, Well, what is when somebody's skeptical?
What does that mean to you?I mean that you've explained how you
feel. But what is Because here'swhy we've got folks in this field that
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every little bump is something paranormal supernatural, right, And you've got other folks
on the other side of the field. If Abraham Lincoln walked down and walked
over, set down front of himsaid look, dude, this is what's
happened on the other side, theystill wouldn't believe it. Right, So
where you say about seventy five towardsbelieving it? But my question is why
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why are people Why can't folks justtake a side or why can't they be
more open mind? I guess thequestion I'm trying to ask. Yeah,
I don't know. It's it's afunny thing. Like you know, there
used to be a joke going aroundabout people who were vegans and they were
like, don't worry, they'll tellyou. And it seems that way with
people who are like one hundred percentskeptical. They'll tell you. They'll be
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like, oh, you're crazy,or you know, there's no such thing
as ghosts, And I'm like,well, why can't you just have a
bit of an open mind? AndI've had lots of conversations with people who
are one hundred percent skeptics, andI'm like, hey, I'm I'm not
gonna sit here and tell you allthe reasons why I do believe that there's
more to be explored and that there'smore out there. I'm just going to
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wait till you have your own experiencethat you can quite explain, and then
we'll chat. Sometimes they don't,they don't ever have those experiences. No,
Yeah, and uh, and that'sand that's the problem. Some people
don't. No matter what what theydid have, they're still not going to
accept it. And and I thinkhaving the open mind is the is the
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truly the answer there, and toomany people don't. You've got to have
an open mind, which means you'realso willing to follow the evidence. Sometimes
the evidence says it's not there rightnow. Now. Speaking of evidence,
what what to you is convincing evidence? I've had some that really stick out
my brain. You know things thatI really after I've molded over, I
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think about things way too much.So after I've molded over probably hundreds of
times in my brain, and Istill can't quite figure it out or it's
still very strange to me, iswhen I'm like, Okay, that was
really interesting and that's captivating me rightnow. So some of the things that
have happened to me that have beenvery captivating. It's for a very long
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time I wished that I could seethis you know, quote unquote ghost that
like white, misty figure, andit wasn't until very recently that I saw
and it was just for a veryflash second. It was right in front
of me, and I couldn't believethe amount of detail that I saw in
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this misty figure. I've heard ofother people talking about it, for other
people being able to tell me that, you know, they saw this ghost
of a woman standing on a stairwellthat was about you know, ten to
fifteen feet away from her, andshe could see the lace detail on her
dress. And I was like,that is so convincing to me, Like
I do not doubt for one secondthat you that you're you're telling a lie,
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Like I can tell that you sawthat. And so this one instance
that I had recently, it wasan elderly lady and she had this you
know when older ladies get their hairpermed and they've got those really tight little
ringlets and they haven't brushed it throughyet. I could see the perfect curls,
and I could see all the differentvariations of gray colors through her hair,
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and I was like, this isso fascinating to me. And then
another thing that's kind of really stuckgoing in my mind are shadow people.
I mean, often, if you'rein a dark space or your eyes are
adjusting, you see like little,you know, things that are the corner
of your eye, and people callthose shadow people. But until I saw
one that was six feet away fromme, I wasn't convinced. But then
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I saw one, and then Isaw them again, and then I saw
them again in different spaces, andI'm like, Okay, that's really compelling
to me and anybody else see them. Thinking about the three times I've absolutely
seen shadow people. The first one, yes, two of my friends,
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my husband and my friend actually werethere and he's a skeptic, so we
all collectively saw them. And thesecond time, no, it was just
me, but that's when it wassuper up close and personal and it terrified
me. The camera that was rollingbecause we were filming this one TV series.
It was pointed at an angle onthe stairwell that just missed where I
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saw it, and so we wentback. I know. I mean,
you see how terrified I am inthe situation because I'm running, I'm panting,
I'm freaking out. And then thethird instance was recently in Ohio and
both myself and my other teammate,Chelsea. She was the one that first
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caught it down at the end ofthe hallway and I was like, oh,
what are you seeing? I wantto see this too, and she's
like, just be patient, you'regoing to see it. And sure enough
I saw it, and then herpartner he was like, well, I
want to see it. We allhad cameras pointing down to the end of
the hallway too, and he couldn'tsee it. But then when he went
to go back and look at thefootage to compile the episode, you see
it in the episode, you seeit on the footage. It's amazing on
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film. Yeah. See, that'sthe problem if you being a cop,
an old cop, if you don'thave it documented it didn't exist. I
know. That's just the way itis. And that's unfortunately a very,
very big, the biggest problem wehave in this field. So often you
don't get it. So how doyou explain to somebody you saw it,
you saw the tight curls in thisapparition's hair, but you've got no proof.
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Is it evidence? Probably to mostpeople know, but you know,
it's it's a memory. For me, it's something that I believe legitimately happened.
Well, and Kim, this isjust my philosophy. You cannot say
that this phenomenon does not exist.It's occurred over too many, too many
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millenniums. It's occurred to too manypeople of every social economic level, every
culture, every race of people haveall had experiences. It's got to be
something, right, not to besomething. Now you talk about your evidence,
do you guys collect it and doyou use it to and do you
compare it to other investigations for similarities. No, A lot of this footage
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is of my own, so Ihaven't had the opportunity to do that.
However, I've been documenting all ofmy investigations at least for the past three
or four years. Just you know, writing things down my own experiences.
Also with dreams I've been ever sincemy grandmother had passed away, I've had
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some probably a handful of really profounddreams about other people's loved ones that are
close to me that I feel havea message to give to them. So
I've compiled all those because as soonas I wake up it feels different.
It's just it's just like I watcheda movie six times over. And then
I've also had some experiences with dreamsbefore I go into an investigation, and
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I don't know if it's like thespirits of the house that are like,
hey, we know you're coming.But I have had a couple of instances
that have been documented on television ofme describing what my dream looked like and
who was in the dream. Andthen I've had people who have watched the
episode reach out to me and say, hey, my grandfather grew up in
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that house and you described him perfectly. I'm like, Okay, that's pretty
cool. So I don't have sortof like a big filing cabinet of evidence,
but it's really not a bad idea. Well, it's the only way
that we're going to be able toprove the existence of someday. Well,
some folks do this to get thethrill, to have the fund. Some
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folks do it for the research angleof it, to try and solve this
mystery that's been with us since mankindbegan. Yeah, and unless we collect
that evidence and keep it and compareit, there's not a whole lot.
It doesn't help us. We don'tmove forward. Would you agree? So?
I agree. There's oftentimes where'm like, maybe I should write a book.
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I don't know how else to reallycompile all this evidence. I guess
a lot of it is just hearsayif I don't have like video footage or
anything, But maybe I'll get onthat. Well, but the hearsay is
good. But and if two orthree people saw it, or two or
three people over the same amount oftime have seen the same thing, documenting
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is helpful. One of the thingsI'm getting at here is also the historical
angle of it. Ladies standing therewearing a specific looking gown with tight curls
in her Maybe there's a photograph ofa woman that looks like that in a
history book, and that history bookgives you her name and her background history.
That is something that can that canbe used as at least a circumstantial
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evidence if nothing else. Absolutely,I don't feel like I would ever have
the opportunity to sleep though, becauseI'm one of those people that if you
put me on a rabbit hole,I'm going down and I'm not going to
surface for a long time. Well, I think, unfortunately, I think
that's what it's going to take,because that kind of work is what is
what we're going to need to getourselves to the next level. Otherwise we're
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going to just be doing the samething over and over again, and we're
not It's just gonna be like ona treadmient, We're not going to be
moving anywhere. So just a thought. So the evidence is there is really
important. Now you talk about yourselfbeing a little sensitive, I am as
sensitive as this computer or the deskI'm sitting at. I'm an old cop.
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I need hard evidence, although Ido have an open mind, So
I'm continuing out there looking. Howdo you feel about mediums overall in the
use of in paranormal investigations. Ithink it's I think it's certainly fascinating,
and I think there's evidence of itof it actually working, and I probably
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would not have felt that way untilI had these dreams and I had these
messages, and I had these thingsthat these people who had passed tell me
about them in their lives that Ishouldn't know. There was one circumstance where
somebody who lived across the street fromme, their son had completed suicide,
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and he came to me in adream about two or three months later,
and I was able to tell thingsto the mother about this dream and the
messages that he had, and Iwas done. She looked at me and
she's like, you've told me thingsthat only me, you and the corner.
No. So for me having thatown my own experience, I definitely
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think there's some credibility to it.And all that thought for just a second,
because we're up in our break again. So hey, we've got lots
to talk about, folks, sostay with us. We'll be back right
after these messages here on Paranormal Steakout. Be right back, and we are
back on Paranormal Steakout with my guesttonight, Kim Moser. Kim, great
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conversation so far, very very interesting. The places that you've been, the
things that you've done, Uh,tell me, have you in all your
work, and you started off alittle later in life. And I didn't
have experiences as a kid either.Mine were as an adult, and it
started in the Saint Augustine Lighthouse,well early one of the early ones of
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the Saint Augustine Lighthouse. But inall the places that you've gone now,
the folks that you've talked to,the shows that you've done, have you
run across any fakes Charlatan's scammers?Yeah? How often? Probably probably only
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once. To be honest with you, I'm sure because of your background,
you have a very keen sense ofunderstanding if somebody is lying or understanding,
you know their personality pretty quickly.And I felt that way the moment I
met this person, and then asI continue to work with them, I
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don't want to give too much away, but as I continue to work with
them, I was just like,I can I can see that this is
an anxiety issue, Like this isnot you feeling or tapping into something.
This is you being anxious, youknow, like you start to see the
knee jitters, You start to seea lot of different things and yeah,
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is that a fake or is thatsomebody that is just misinterpreting their emotions?
I think it's a bit of both. Maybe they're over exaggerating a little bit.
How about some have you encountered anybodywho has uh fled out fabricated something
in order to get on a TVshow. I don't know that anybody's fabricated
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to be on a TV show,certainly not in any of my circumstances.
Like the show that I was onfor six seasons, Like you know,
there was instances where somebody said somethingsomething that was kind of like interesting to
sort of close out a segment,and the camera wasn't rolling, so we
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were like, oh darn, canyou just say that thing again? Because
that was a cool little hook.But it wasn't like there was no like
evidence or anybody claiming anything. Therewas none of that. Because that seems
to be one of the one ofthe new topics of discussion on YouTube and
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particularly is debunking some of the ghostshows out there, some of the ones.
Some of them are some of theones that got us interested early on.
And you've got to wonder, now, I think you'll agree with me,
Especially on broadcast TV, you don'thave a lot of excitement, and
enough people aren't watching. The show'snot making money. That can lead to
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issues, and I think that suggestionhas been made at times over the years.
YouTube, I think is probably alittle bit different. But do you
think that instances where people are questioningthe authenticity the integrity of investigators on shows,
how bad does it hurt us?I think some of it's valid.
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I definitely think some of it's valid, which is unfortunate because we're out there
looking for truth. I mean,the people who are really passionate about it
may not even be the best TVpersonality, so you know, they're not
getting the right representation out there.There's other you know, TV shows out
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there that maybe do fake things.Maybe there's you know, producers behind the
scene, especially if there's an investigationor sorry, especially if there's an interview
with somebody who's had a first handaccount they say, hey, my house
is haunted. I definitely believe thatthere's producers back there that are like,
Okay, now make sure that thisis this good television. So we're going
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to put you in this state thatyou're emotionally distressed, and you're going to
make this really interesting. I thinkthat can happen. I'm hoping that there's
no shows out there that are puttingfalse evidence out there. They definitely think.
There's certain circumstances where like I canlook at a show and I'm like,
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that's pushing it a little bit,just embellished. We'll say, sure
they caught that EVP, but didthey embellish it a little bit? Maybe,
well, and of course cleaning itup a little bit so it's a
little bit clearer. I get that, but actually fabricating it. And I
guess what I'm getting at is peopleare people. Humans are humans. Humans
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do what's in the best interest ofhumans. So many so often I'm just
calling it like it is, andI can see where that can cause issues,
especially like I said, on broadcastTV, where they were they need
to have audiences. Yeah, buthow do we combat that? How do
I mean? In my opinion,TV shows help bring this to the forefront,
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which made it a more common discussion, topic of discussion and made more
people willing to discuss it. SoI think it helped in that sense.
But how do we keep the phonies, the fakes, the producers that want
to make sure the show gets anuprating, whatever the reason. How do
we keep that from happening so thatfolks watching these programs can feel comfortable that
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what they're seeing is what they get. Any thoughts on that, Yeah,
it's a really good question. Iguess there's two things that I would like
to talk about in regards to that. One is that I kind of fear
for where the paranormal television series aregoing right now, because in my opinion,
there's been some really great shows outthere, like Destination Fear. You
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know, you have this whole adventure, they're going to abandoned buildings, they've
got a really great dynamic, andthen the next thing you know, their
show is canceled, and it's like, well, they were probably one of
the most popular shows out there,so why are they canceled? And then
there's sort of whispers about some otherparanormal shows that have been around for a
long time that are having troubles gettingreactivated for a new season. And I
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know that there's been a lot oftopic a lot of people talking about there's
sort of just like a web basedshow, I guess, so like a
show where there's nobody going in andinvestigating, it's all just kind of hearsay.
There's recreations, it's just more orless storytelling, and probably because those
have a lower budget, they're theones that are getting the green light from
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the larger networks. So that's whatmakes me anxious about the future of the
television series right now. But Ithink one very interesting way that we could
maybe get into something that is alittle bit more evidence based, like you
had said, maybe backing up someevidence, doing some very interesting sort of
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scientific methods with investigators that are willingto do so, but going into like
different frequencies, doing things like whatthey did in the Stargate project, where
you know, they're monitoring people whohave the ability to view things in a
different room or a different space altogether, sort of like laboratory sort of investigations.
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I think would be incredible. Wellsee, and I think you actually
have an incredible opportunity you you're filmingeverything with quality production type of equipment,
keeping that, examining it, goingover it, and then using what you
find to compare to other investigations mightprovide a lot of answers. And I
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think you guys have an excellent opportunityto do to do something like that just
based upon what you what you havegoing for you in production makes sense,
yeah, for sure. So somethingto think about there, because evidence is
where it's at, and that's that'show we're going to find the answers either
way. Yeah, So what doyou think this all is? What?
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What are paranormals experiences? What isthe other side is? What is Kim
Moser's philosophy about ghosts? I thinkit changes. I think it changes often.
I think the more I know,it's like knowledge is power, right,
So the more I know, I'mlike, hmm, maybe I thought
about that earlier, but now I'vegot this broader knowledge. So I think
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that it's kind of simplistic when itcomes down to it. You know,
if you want to think that we'rewell, we are are all energy,
Like where does that energy go?And then you look at how small Earth
is in this massive universe, It'slike, yeah, we're the dust underneath
somebody's rug right now, and we'reexperiencing all these things and we have all
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these feelings, and it's I thinkthere's just I think there's a certain element
that we're not supposed to know.But I also think that we just have
not tapped into everything that we canknow. So I think it's a world
of possibilities out there. I thinkit all has to do with energy.
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And can we go Where do youthink we go? I want to think
that we go to like a heavenof some sort. You know. I
was brought up, I was broughtup Christian. I still have some Christian
beliefs, but I also kind tofeel like I've adapted my own sort of
spiritual slash religion and outlook on things. So I want to believe that there's
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no time, there's no space,that once we leave this body and our
energy goes elsewhere, we have theability to be in two or three different
places at different times. I feellike our life here is nothing but a
learning experience. Yeah, I justthere's so much. There's so much I
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can't even like really put a pinheadon that for you. And and actually
I put you in a bad spotbecause nobody knows what this is. Anybody
that tells you didn't know exactly whata ghost is or fooling themselves. This
is my opinion, because we don'tknow the answers. Is that us?
Is it Einstein's general theory relativity thattalks about dimensions? Is it the power
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of our own brain? What isit? Is it a collective conscious?
We don't know. And I thinkyour answers is about as good as it's
going to get, because nobody knowsfor sure what the heck this is.
Where do you think the futures holds? Where do you think we need to
go from here? I don't know. I don't even know what I'm going
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to wear tomorrow. I have noidea. I really don't. I feel
like, you know, where Ithought we were going with the paranormal community
and the television series that we're outthere. We're really compelling and really interesting
and really fun to watch and greatpersonalit and good evidence are disappearing. So
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I don't know what happened. Maybeit all kind of starn money money.
But are they real? It's agreat question, and I think that's a
question a lot of folks ask andwould like answers to me. Now,
a lot of folks would like tobelieve certain shows are real? But are
they? And is that what's creatingpart of the problem, because like I
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said, nobody knows exactly what thisphenomenon is. Where do you see yourself
in five years with this? Idon't know. Five years ago, I
never expected to be in this situation. So I would love I would love
to have a television series that Ihave a larger hand in selecting my team
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members, going a little bit deeperwith the historical part of investigations. I
would love to be a part ofsomething like that. Experiments and evidence and
collection evidence real important. I'll justtoss that into you to you as you
create this show for the future,because that's where's that's where it's going to
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be at. But we're about readyto take our last break, and when
we come back, I'm gonna Iwant to hear about some of these places
that you went to. I wantto hear about your most exciting experience and
all those good things. So folks, stay tuned. We got one more
time out and then we'll be backhere on Paranormal Steakout. See you a
couple of minutes, and welcome backto Paranormal steak Out with my guest tonight,
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Kim Moser. Just want to remindeverybody if you want to learn a
little bit more about me and myteam, you can go to Paranormal FBI
dot com or Indian River Hauntings dotcom where you can see not only the
investigations that we do, but someof the historical tours that we do.
For folks. Check us also outon YouTube It's at Indian River Hauntings two
three four one, and check myshow out all my other shows at paranormal
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steakout dot org. I would beremiss if I did not mention all the
great programming on the X on Radioand TV Broadcast Network. Check us out
at Xlradio TV dot net. You'llsee all the great shows there. If
you want to really delve into theall sides of the paranormal, check out
the X one Radio and TV BroadcastNetwork for some great shows. Now,
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Kim tell us a little bit aboutyour your your your podcast and where they
can find you and how folks cancheck in with you. Yeah. So,
my old podcast was Booze and Bourbon, which you can still find on
Spotify and YouTube, and then morerecently I've kind of been expanding on my
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Instagram as well as my own YouTubechannel, doing weekly five minutes short information
sessions on the paranormal. So youcan find that on Instagram, which is
Kim's Darker Side, and my YouTubechannel is also named the same, Kim's
Darker Side. I don't know ifI want to see your darker side that
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might be scary, but okay,and your website commosure dot info. Yes,
that's correct, Okay, terrific,So check those out, folks.
A interesting podcast, Booze and Bourbon. How did you come up with that
one? Yeah, So, mybest friend and I we really wanted to
start a podcast. We wanted tostart a hobby just to kind of escape
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the everyday nine to five, andso we wanted to come up with something
that had a you know, obviouslyreminiscent of being a paranormal based show.
So that's where the booze came in. But we also loved getting together and
just drinking wine or drinking whiskey.So my husband has been collecting bourbon for
quite some time and it wasn't untilabout ten years ago that I was like,
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oh, I'm onto this. Isee why you like it so much.
So we would often pair a differentbourbon with a ghost story or a
ghost theme. Got it. Gotit? So you've been investigating pretty regularly
since twenty eighteen. That's right,Yeah, you've gone to some interesting spots.
Tell tell us what was your mostsignificant experience and where was it.
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Well, as time goes on,you know, you think you've hit the
pinnacle of having the scariest thing happenedto you. But then you go to
a more recent place and you're like, oh, that was terrifying, And
I remember exactly how I felt inthat moment. So about about a month
ago now, we were in NewYork and we went to this very sort
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of unassuming bed and breakfast, dida little bit of research about it on
our way there. It's a placecalled Greystone Manor and just looks like kind
of a regular, beautiful old house, and so we get there. The
place is owned by psychic medium.She's lovely, she's been on a bunch
of television series, and she startstelling us a little bit of the history
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we have the house, and startshowing us evidence that she had on her
phone, which automatically made me alittle bit terrified because we're seeing all this
evidence of people getting scratched or bitten. And she has this beautiful sense of
decor. So she has all thisold taxidermy and just like every room was
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so well put together in items withthat we're in line with the period of
the house. So it looked beautiful, and I thought, maybe looks can
be deceiving, like this kind offeels like the Disney haunted house. This
is amazing, and so we gowhen we do our investigation, we get
some pretty typical stuff. So it'sLamar and Chelsea and I and Chelsea is
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very much a medium. I oftenwill look to her and I'll be like,
did you see that in the cornerAnd she's like, oh, yeah,
this, did you see that?Shadow? Like she backs me up.
It's great. So we're in thisone particular room that she was very
fine, and she's saying like,I'm feeling like there's a lot of power
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here. I'm feeling like some anger, I'm feeling all of these things.
And I was like, okay,is this power your own? Like,
is this a power that you feellike you need to have it you want
to have it? And she's like, I feel like something is putting their
power into me. And I'm like, that's interesting. We haven't really heard
of that before. We're seeing ithappen in an investigation, so that's really
interesting. And then she's like,you know what, my back hurts.
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I'm like, okay, let's getout of this room. So we get
out of the room and she's likeno, like it really hurts. And
so I said, well, canwe look at your back, and so
we did. We lifted up theback of her shirt and there was a
giant welted scratch, like bright brightred, in the shape of a hook,
and it was probably i don't know, eight to ten inches long on
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her back and I pressed on itand it was like hot, like so
so hot to the touch. AndI mean, I've been investigating with other
people before who have said, like, oh, I feel like something scratched
me on my wrist, and Ilook at it and I'm like, well,
that was just from your own nail, Like come on, you know,
I kind of get that little naisein me. But this was something
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that I had never encountered before.I mean, I was watching her.
I was like three feet away fromher in that room the whole time,
and there is no way that shecould have could have inflicted something like that
on her own back. It wasjust terrifying. And that's when we decided
we needed to leave. And thatwas the first time that I've ever left
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a place during an investigation. Twothings I'm going to say. First of
all, did you take a pictureof it? Of course, we did,
outstanding, Okay. The second thingis is a question about some of
the famous, and you've been toWaverley, Waverley Hills, the Conjuring House.
Do you think sometimes those big nameplaces sometimes get worn out, maybe
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out overfished, as some of usfishermen would say, too many fish caught
out of the pond, or maybeit's just tired of having people come in
there. Yeah. I kind ofwondered that myself. When I went to
the Lizzie Bordon House, I wasn'treally expecting much, but we got some
really interesting stuff that night, andI thought, okay, so this is
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not overplayed, this is not youknow, just a money grab, like
there is something actually here. Thenwhen I went to Waverley Hills, also
thought that there was a lot ofinteresting stuff going on there. I will
say when I went to the ConjuringHouse, I had very little activity,
and I didn't feel as scared asI thought I would be, because you
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know, that was kind of thebiggest thing on my bucket list to go
to. It was the Conjuring House, especially after you know, the COVID
oat break and we couldn't get acrossthe border and all I wanted to do
was get across the border to gothere. There was all this heightened excitement,
and then I got there and Iwas like, hmm. I've talked
to a lot of people who havegone to the Conjuring house and they said,
oh, no, you were justthere on a bad day. And
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I look back and there was justvery recently an ownership change as well.
So I don't know, if youknow, there was just a certain mood
in the house that wasn't quite thesame, or it was just an off
night. Maybe there was lots ofactivity the night before. I don't know.
Well, that's two huge issues.One thing that we all have to
remember that if there is somebody onthe other side that does want to contact
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this, they're going to do iton their time, not because we demand
it right exactly. So sometimes andit's like fish and sometimes they're biting,
sometimes they're not, So you're notgoing to get everything something every time.
But I wonder if sometimes these largerplaces not so much that they our money
grabs, as it is, justthey're fished out, like whatsever there is
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just I don't want to deal withyou guys, and they're quiet for a
period of time. So I haveoften wondered about that, and certainly I
have seen my fair shriffs spots thatare hot numbers. Boy, everybody goes
there, and when you really lookat the evidence, there's not a whole
lot there. So I guess youcould look at it for both angles.
Once again, this is where historicalresearch and in depth investigation really really does
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help. There Saint Augustine, youknow, it's kind of funny. I've
been there a dozen times, eleventimes, always had something happened. My
entire team had the whole place toourselves a year ago this month almost really
almost nothing, almost nothing, Soyou know, but once again that happens.
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Now. Tell me about your SaintAugustine experience. Well, there was
really nothing. Honestly, there wasreally nothing compelling. I think my mind
just sort of went down this journeyof imagining what it was like, and
you know the story about the girl, so I think it was more of
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a visual journey than really finding anycompelling evidence. Yeah, that's that is
a very compelling journey of what happenedthere and the two little girls dying and
whatnot. My older boy bags totwenty ten, which started it all for
me. There we were in thelighthouse and heard the curls laughing. Well,
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well, what do I do?As a cop. The first thing
I'm doing, I'm looking for wiresand speakers, figuring somebody is piping something
into enhance the place, but nope, there was nothing there. And this
shows about you. So I won'tgo into all the things that have happened
to me over the years there,but we've had some very compelling events occur
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on us there. But we werethere last January as my whole team,
all the equipment set up, hardlyanything that's just way is that going now?
You know you need to go back? Yeah, well eventually it's just
up the road, so we candefinitely get back there. Lizzie Bordenhouse.
You know, there's a lot offolks that talk about what happens there.
What's the most significant thing that happenedto you with Lizzy Board We used the
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spirit box a lot, and it'sit's a homemade spirit box that I use.
And the amount of times that actscame through on the radio because technically,
you know, it's a radio swoopingradio stations. I thought there's no
way that there's this many radio stationstalking about axes in like a five minute
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period, So that was kind ofstrange to me. And then my girlfriends.
I was doing the Estes method,so I was under the headphones with
my spirit box and they had adevice behind them on the bed in the
murder room. And every single timewe would ask a question or they would
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ask a question about, you know, was Lizzie interfered with or was someone
interfered within the attic? Is thereyou know, allegations of abuse And it
would go off every single time.And I went back and I compiled all
the evidence, which you can seeon my YouTube as well. But yeah,
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it was kind of startling, andI was like, well, if
she is guilty, then maybe shehad a good reason to do it.
Maybe she couldn't escape her own traumaticlife and that was her best option.
I don't know. But my friendwas staying up in the attic and you
know, her room was locked.She's terrified of the dark, so she
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left her light on up there,and as soon as we go up to
investigate her room, the light's offand she's like, well, that's weird.
I left the light on. Thenwe go and we check the lamp
and there's nothing wrong with the lamp. The light bulb was screwed in,
the lamp was plugged in, andso then we started asking, well,
you know the gentleman of the house, I forget his name, Andrew Borden.
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Maybe he was very conservaive with usingelectricity. So we're like, you
know, are you trying to conservepower if this is Andrew Borden And the
light would flicker And then we allhad issues with our cell phones at the
same time, so the go proswe're shutting down our cell phones that we
were recording off we're doing I'd arguethat one hard to argue with that.
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Well, unfortunately, Kim, ourtime has run out for tonight, but
I do appreciate you being here.Some great stories. I want to wish
you a lot of luck in yourendeavors. Remember collection of evidence, Yes,
Dah, thank you for that advice. I really appreciate it. And
thank you so much for having meon your show. It's been great.
Well, I've enjoyed it, andthanks again. We'll hope to see you
again soon. And folks, thatends our show for tonight. I want
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to thank all of you for beinghere. Remember to give those kids a
hug man. There are futures,so you got to take care of our
kids. So everybody take care andwe'll see you on the other side.
Have a good night, folks.
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