September 8, 2023 • 54 mins
Mark Anthony, JD Psychic Explorer (Psychic Lawyer®) is a fourth-generation psychic medium who communicates with spirits. He is known as “The Psychic Explorer” due to his extensive background in science, quantum physics, survival of consciousness, near-death experiences, history, archaeology, philosophy and theology. He examines mystical locations in the US and remote corners of the world to explore ancient ruins, mysteries and supernatural phenomena.
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Welcome to the Paranormal Steakhout Radio TVshow with Larry Lawson. As a former
career law enforcement officer and law enforcementeducator, Larry focuses on the use of
tried and true law enforcement investigative techniquesin conducting paranormal investigations. Despite his experience
and training, Larry also and keepsan open mind to discussions on top topics
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that deal with evidence that are notquite as physical in nature. Paranormal Stakeout
guests are professionals in the field ofthe paranormal and parapsychology, conducting the investigations
and research needed to further the causeof paranormal study. Larry advocates an agenda
of standardization of structure and training inthe field of paranormal investigation and research for
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the purpose of one day being ableto produce the evidence needed to convince a
jury of the existence of the paranormal. Whether it is ghosts, UFOs,
unsolved mysteries, hauntings, or cryptids, no topic is beyond the investigative reach
of Larry Lawson and the Paranormal stakeAout Radio TV show team. Now Here
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is the host of the Paranormal StakeoutRadio TV show Larry Lawson. Good evening
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everyone, and welcome back to ParanormalSteak Out. Coming to you from the
headquarters of the Florida Bureau of ParanormalInvestigation in beautiful Ferrell Beach, Florida.
Great to be back with you.I've got a terrific guest tonight. I
know we're going to have an outstandingtime. Well, I do want to
take a quick second, though,to keep the thoughts of our friends,
families, neighbors in both Maui andthe North part of Florida after the disasters
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they've had up there. You know, sometimes in this field we get caught
up in what we're doing in anyfield, I guess really, and we
forget about those that really are lessfortunate than us. So please keep all
the folks in those disaster areas inyour prayers. Of East Palestine, Ohio.
Being a buck GUYE you know thathit home also, so keep those
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us out, and of course Ialways check out the great programming here on
the X one Broadcast Radio and TVbroadcast network. Tonight's guest, Wow,
I've had some cops on the show. You know that because being retired flatfoot
myself, I'd like to talk tocops and other first responders about their interests
in their experiences. But Tid,it's a little bit different. I have
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a gentleman who's not only known asthe psychic but he's known as the psychic
Lawyer. Mark Anthony J. D. Mark is a fourth generation psychic medium
who communicates with spirits. Spirits.He's an Oxford educated attorney and he's tried
over one hundred jury trials, andfolks, I can tell you that's a
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lot of jury trials all things considered. He's a licensed to practice law here
in Florida as well as DC atthe Supreme Court level. He's also he's
not as the psychic Explorer due tohis extensive background in science and quantum physics,
survival of consciousness, near death experiences, history, archaeology, philosophy,
theology. He examines mystical locations allthrough the US and in different parts of
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the world, television, he's authoredbooks. I just want to get to
him and start talking. So I'dlike to welcome Mark Anthony the Psychic Explorer
to the show. Mark, sohappy to have you here. Thank you,
Larry. It's great. And youknow, before we are on the
show, it used to be acop and I used to be a prosecutor.
And I love it because we speakthe same language. We do.
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And what a lot of folks don'tknow, as I spent a number of
years as an investigator for the StateAttorney's office in the nineteenth circuit here in
Florida. So let's spend a littlebit more time on your side, sometimes
from the cops side even, Butyeah, so we speak the same language.
And but a lot of my folksget to know you, maybe for
the first time in my audience.Tell us a little bit about Mark Anthony's
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Psychic Explorer. Well, I wasborn as psychic medium, because this runs
in my family for generations on bothsides. And the thing is, I've
tracted back to the eighteen nineties onboth sides of the family, so that's
going about about four generations, andit probably goes back even farther than that.
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It's just that, you know,it's hard to find the documentation.
And my dad was a US Navyseal and a NASA engineer, so he
was a real no nonsense kind ofguy. But he had mediumistic ability.
And my mother was the full package. I mean, Mom was a very
gifted psychic medium and she she wasa commercial illustrator and an artist. And
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so there I am. I'm threeand a half years old, and I
start playing with and interacting with myinvisible friends, and except that Mom and
Dad could see and understand who Iwas talking to. And I'll never forget
Mom's reactions like, oh, he'sgot it, and Davids was like,
God, jeez, he's got it. So the reactions were a bit different.
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And what it was is my dadwas he knew how difficult this could
be. You know, it's hardenough being a kid, but when you're
a strange kid. But my parentswere very cool about things. And when
I was starting, I went toCatholic school. I was raised in the
Catholic faith, and I remember beforeI went to my first of school,
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Dad said, you can talk toyour mother and I about these things all
you want, but not anybody else. And when I got into the Catholic
school program, I could see whythey said that so and then it's always
been with me throughout my whole life. And as I got older, the
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older I got, the more intensemy abilities became. And then it just
got to a point, Larry,where I reached a crossroads of my life.
And the story is about why Ileft the practice of law and everything.
It's it's a long story, butit would take up the whole show
to get into everything. But Ifinally embraced my abilities, and then whether
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I wanted to or not, theybecame public. So I've left the practice
of law, and I still appearon TV and radio as a legal analyst
and work behind the scenes on coldcases. And I just did an investigation
of a cold case for just abrand new Discovery Channel show. My manager,
Rocky and I were up there inIndiana checking and investigating the Lee Allen
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Bryant Sanatorium and that place was ahouse of horrors, definitely what had happened
there, so here I am wow. Tell me how did you find your
abilities? Were they in conflict withyour work as an attorney or did or
did it any enhanced? I mean, the question's got to come out,
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Well, did you know what theverdict was going to be prior to I'm
sure you heard that joke on oneor two all the time. And the
thing is, what people need tounderstand about psychic and medium insticability is that
it doesn't make you omnipresent. Inother words, I am not at all
seeing and all knowing God is I'mnot. What it does is it gives
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me glimpses and insights, and itcertainly came in handy. I never found
it in conflict with my work asa lawyer. In fact, I found
that it worked in tandem because asa lawyer you have to have evidence to
prove your case, okay, andas a medium, and I love the
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intro to your show because it saidthat you're working on finding the proof of
the afterlife and these phenomenon that couldmeet the standard of a jury, and
that once again we are speaking thesame language on that. And what do
I do as an evidential medium?I have to present evidence transmitted from spirits
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through me that can be objectively verified. I mean, anybody can say your
grandmother's here and she loves you.But if I start giving you what she
looked like, her name, apersonality profile, shared memories between you and
her, things that there's no wayI could know, then that is evidence.
And the other thing about both careersis I'm certainly well aware of the
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jokes about lawyers and people don't likelawyers, and the reason for that is
when you go to a lawyer,very seldom do you go because it's a
happy thing. It's usually because you'vebeen arrested, you're getting sued, you've
been injured, you know, there'sa contract dispute there. There's something negative
in your life, and people tendto take that negativity and they focus it
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on the lawyers. But lawyers arethere to help people through the difficult times
of life, and as a medium, what I do is by facilitating communication
between somebody here and somebody that theylove who has died, I'm helping them
through the most difficult times of theirlife. So that's how the two different
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careers have have melded. And Ican appreciate that because nobody calls a cop
just because they want to talk tohim. Either, they call us when
there's a problem, so I cancertainly relate to that. Have you ever
found that your your abilities have providedan answer for you in a case?
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That's a good question. Oh,absolutely, got to get so many stories.
But it always came in very handyduring jury selection. And I know
that. You know, as apolice officer you've been through a lot of
jury trials, but for those ofyou haven't. Before the pliniff or in
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a criminal case, the prosecution thestate present their case and the defense presents
theirs, you have to select ajury. And it's funny because in TV
shows they always go right to,you know, the trial, but jury
selection. And it's always been saidthat in circles with trial lawyers that a
trial is one or lost on juryselection. And the point of jury selection
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is for both sides to get ajury that is fair and impartial. The
reality is you're trying to get peoplethat are predisposed towards you, and so
what happens is initially they'll bring inthe pool of perspective jurors and then the
prosecution gets to ask these people questionsabout their views on the case or views
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on the legal system and personal things, try to get a feel for them.
Then the defense gets to ask questions, and then both sides gets to
pop off eliminate. They called strikingyou know a certain number, and then
you end up with a jury.So here i am. I'm trying a
case, and it was it wasa crime of violence. My client was
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a big bruiser and he got intoa fight with another big bruiser at a
bar. And guess what, Myclient was the winner. So who filed
charges? I'll bet you saw thata million times. The loser of the
fight filed the charges. So basically, big bruiser a beats up big bruiser
beat So it's a crime of violence. And the prosecutors asking questions and then
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the prosecutor sits down. Now it'smy turn to question the perspective jury panel.
The problem was I kept zeroing inon this one woman. I kept
feeling something about her, and Ikept getting a female spirit, a female
energy connected to her. And I'mlike, okay, this is trial.
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This really needs not to be happening, you know. And I'm getting this
tightening around my throat. So thatindicates that this person died from some type
of obstruction with their windpipe. Andit kept intensifying, and so I'm like,
alry, trying to clear it,and then the judge says, you
know, counsel. So I stoodup and I asked a very standard question
in a criminal case, has anyof the prospective jury members have you or
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has anyone in your family ever beenthe victim of a violent crime? Larry
lo and behold that woman. Sheraises her hand and she's trembling, and
I remember she's like she had thisolive complexion and these big dark eyes,
and the tears just started rolling downher cheeks, and she said, a
year ago, my sister was ina foreign country when an escape mental patience
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strangled her, dismembered her body andthrough her in the garbage, like she
was trash. I'm standing there andIt's like, all I'm thinking is in
law school, they didn't teach mehow to deal with this situation. And
even the prosecutor is usually when theselike really irritating people, couldn't you know?
And I can hear my client onlike dude, what are you doing?
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And then I can see her sister'sspirit forming. I mean, I
can see this and I literally hada foot in both worlds. And if
the listeners want to find out whathappens, you're gonna have to get my
first book, Never Letting Go,because I explained that whole story there.
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Well, with that, we gotto take our first break when we get
back when I'm talking about cold casesand one that you were involved in.
So folks, stay with us.Fascinating discussion with Mark Anthony, Psychic Explorer.
We'll be back after these messages.We are back on the own broadcast
network, but with Parentoble's takeout withmy guest tonight, Mark Anthony. You
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know Mark being a cop and alsobeing a paranormal investigator researcher. The one
thing I've always wanted to do isfind that connection that it will allow us
to use this this gift, thisability to perhaps connect to the other side
and solve crime cold cases if youwill. I understand you were just involved
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in when that long ago. Yeah, can you tell us a little bit
about that. I think this isan important subject. I can't give a
lot of details because it's a brandnew show that Zack Began's is producing.
But they brought me in to touse my abilities at this abandoned used to
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be a sanatorium because there was asuspected murder suicide there and what I picked
up indicated something quite different. Andwhat's fascinating is one of the other investigator,
his guy named Gary Gonka, andhe's the one who invented the spirit
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box. And Gary's a really greatguy. He was an electrical engineer and
unfortunately his daughter died and so hetook his genius and started working on technology
to pick up on the voices ofspirits and has been able to make contact
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with his daughter through that. Andit was really neat because when we were
we had some downtime, he wasshowing me this and it's interesting because we
picked up on his daughter and myparents and another friend of mine, and
what was cool was the technology's pickingup on their voices and then they're supplementing
the information through me, and Igave Gary some information about him and about
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his daughter that I had no ideaabout what he verified. And so it's
really interesting when you can pare upthat the technology of the electrical technology along
with what I call myself the biotechnology in that. And I also worked
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on a cold case. I wason the CBS TV show called the Doctors,
and they had me do a readingfor Alison Feldman's family. She was
brutally murdered and it was a coldcase. And the information that I got
I gave to Alison. It wasall filmed and it didn't make sense right
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away. But what happened was Isaid that there was tissue samples found at
the scene that have to be analyzedand that the police have to expand the
parameters of the blood test. AndAllison's father said, well, the police
they did, they did do aDNA search. I said, no,
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they're not doing the right one.It has to expand the parameters. So
he went back to Phoenix where themurder occurred and told the police that.
And so at that time they institutedthe familial DNA test, which I know
you're aware of, and that hadnever been used in Arizona before, and
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lo and behold, they found amatch. They found and I could go
on, we could do the wholeshow just on the information there. But
it led to the arrest of theguy and he is still awaiting trial on
premeditated first degree murder. See that'swhere I think that somebody with law enforcement
investigative background in concert with all ofthis would make a very very potent remedy
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to some of these cold cases.I really think that, And that's what
I'd like to see, you know, develop It's true, and I know
that a lot of cops are verycynical towards psychics, but a lot are
not. And because look, asa police officer and all the first responders,
all the cops, all the paramedics, you guys have seen stuff that
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developpies defies explanation, okay, andwhere psychics come in handy with law enforcement,
obviously you could not put me onthe witness stand and say so you
saw a spirit that said this,because psychic intuition and messages from spirits are
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hearsay and hearsay. The technical definitionis an out of court statement offered to
prove the truth of the matter asserted, because you always hear like objection hearsay,
because this statement was made out ofcourt. Now, the way to
get around here, say is canthat st or the person who made it
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be subjected to cross examination to takeit out of the purely subjective into the
realm of the objective. Now,obviously, statements from spirits are about as
hearsay as you can get. I'mreceiving messages from another dimension, all right.
But while that may not be admissiblein trial, what we can do
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is work with the police during theinvestigation phase, and the information that a
spirit gives me can be provided tothe police, which can then direct them
in the right path to find evidencewhich is admissible. So that's where we
come in handy. I agree,And I don't know if you remember it,
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but the hearsay exception rule we havehere in Florida might even be an
opening for that, and that's usedmostly on childcases, but it does encompass
the same thing as you're describing.Certainly, you get information that leads the
detective to a spot. Yes,I agree, and that I think is
going to be the door to open. Certainly, so more police agencies use
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psychics than they'll admit, and look, the bottom line is justice, and
if we have to remain in theshadows, as long as we're helping,
then we're doing the right thing becausethese abilities. The way I look at
my role as a psychic medium,as somebody who communicates with spirits, is
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my job is to bring forth messagesfor the highest of purposes, to help
someone get healing, inner peace,resolution and closure from the death of a
loved one. And if part ofthat communication helps us nab the person who
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is a murderer, I think that'spart of the healing process as well.
I totally agree. And there's agentleman that really turned my And I was
one of those typical cops years agowho didn't sure, but but I have.
I've had my mind opened and myexperiences broadened. But a gentleman,
Chris Huff is his name. He'shelped me understand exactly I can't say exactly
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closer to what you got, sir. Can tell us now onto another quick
subject here, you're you got.You were known originally as the psychic lawyer,
right, but more now you're morereferred to as the psychic explorer.
Explain to me how that metamorphos happenedwhen I about gosh, I'm trying to
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think how long ago that was hadto be almost fifteen years ago. I
was in New York City and Iwas at a media conference about my first
book, Never Letting Go Excuse Me, and one of the reporters there said,
wait a second, this guy's apsychic medium and a lawyer. He
goes, He's the Psychic Lawyer,and all of a sudden, the media
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started calling me the Psychic Lawyer,and it caught on, and my publicists
an agent at the time, andthen Rocky, who's my manager, They're
like, well, this is good, you know. So I went ahead
and got a trademarked because Mark Anthonyof the Psychic Lawyer. But then I
started appearing on a lot of showslike The X Zone and Coast to Coast
and several other radio podcasts, TVshows for my expertise in ancient mystery supernatural
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phenomenon. I'm also a near deathexperience researcher, and I study psychic medium
ship through a scientific basis and explainwhat I drew through the realm of quantum
physics. And another media outlet andthey started calling me the psychic Indiana Jones
and the Psychic Explorer, you know, because I've been all these mystical sites.
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I mean, that's what I lovedoing, studying ancient mystery and then
go there and to the ancient ruinsand feel the energy and so so Rocky
and I and my producer in California, Mackenzie Van Dorn Rice, we sat
down and we started talking because mybrand was getting too long, and so
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we came up at the idea ofMark Anthony JD. Which is my jurist
doctorate psychic Explorer. So that wayit rolls everything into one because when when
you're known as the psychic lawyer,people think that all I do is people
say, well, do you predictthe outcome of cases? And I was
trying to explain to them though thatisn't what I'm doing, and then people
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want to Pigeonholmie is just working oncold cases, which certainly I don't mind
working on. But what I dohas such a broad field. So I
hope that that explains, it helpshelps clarify that that does and the explore
for the ancient mysteries. That bringsme to another topic. And I hope
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we have enough time before the breakWe haven't really talked about ghost spirits per
se, but that's certainly who youcommunicate with the other side. Recently,
we're talking a lot more hearing,a lot more of spirit, the spirit
world being connected with things such asUFOs and dimensional dimensional type of events.
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Is there a connection? How muchtime do we have before the break we
might have we might have to dotoo, You have to have to break
all of these things. UFOs,paranormal investigations, the shadow people, which
I'm sure you're aware of, andwhat I do as a medium spirit communication.
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They all are what I refer toas interdimensional communication, and that means
that here we are in our materialworld dimension and we're communicating with beings that
are in a par parallel or analternate or a distant dimension. Now there
are different entities, be they aliens, spirits, the shadow people that are
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using the same type of modality tocommunicate. In other words, there is
a frequency overlap between our world andtheirs. For example, UFOs. The
closest star to us is Alpha Centauri, which is four light years away,
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and that is a light year isthe distance that it takes light to travel
in a year. Light travels atone hundred and eighty six two hundred and
eighty two miles per second. Sowhen you start calculating that out, we
are now in the trillions of miles. So even at the speed of light,
it would take a ufo four yearsjust to get here from our centauri.
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And what if there's no life aroundAlfa Centauri. Maybe they're coming from
eight hundred thousand light years away.But according to Einstein's theory of relativity,
nothing can go faster than the speedof light. And so how could they
do this? Well, we've allseen star trek and talk about you know,
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warp speed. Well that's actually areal thing. And the Mexican physicist
al Kubera came up with the alKubera effect, which means that if a
space vessel could create an energy fielda warp bubble around it of sufficient energy.
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All right, so let's say thispiece of paper, here is Earth,
and here is a planet a thousandlight years there's a way. Here's
what we're gonna do, because we'vecome up on that break, Like,
keep hang on to that piece ofpaper, and we're going to come back
with folks, so much to talkabout. Stay with us. Will be
back after these messages. We areback on paranormal stake out with my guest
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night Mark Anthony JD Psychic Explorer,and I'm going to try not to interrupt
you this time we were talking aboutit. We're just getting ready to getting
ready to give it a very deepsubject. So pick up where we left
off. So what we're talking aboutis UFOs and other spirit UFOs in addition
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to spiritual entities, how do theyjump from one dimension to the next.
And we're taking UFOs first, andthe al Kubera effect, which is named
after the Mexican physicist Al Kubera.We know that according to Einstein's theory of
relativity, nothing can exceed the speedof light. So let's say that there's
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a planet a thousand miles away excuseme, a thousand light years away,
and that would mean the Aliens wouldhave to be traveling in their tin can
through space for a thousand years justto get here one way, if they
could only go at the speed oflight. But the al Kubera effect is
when an energy field is created aroundthe craft, which causes a warp in
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the space time continuum. So let'ssay here is planet Earth this corner,
and here is the planet a thousandyears away, So the alien technology would
indicate that they've created a energy fieldthat instead of going across this thousand years,
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they fold the space time, sothey jumped from one coordinate in space
time to another instantaneously. And thisis something that scientists, that physicists the
world over said is possible. It'sjust that we do not yet have the
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technology to generate that type of energy. But they're saying that this is possible.
So you're not violating Einstein's theory ofrelativity. Instead of going in a
straight line, you're you're making aripple there. Now that's very fascinating because
it also makes a lot of sensebecause in these vessels would be able to
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get here instantaneously. Now, howdo we apply this to the spiritual?
In my book, The Afterlife Frequency, and that's my latest book, The
Afterlife Frequency is the scientific proof ofspiritual contact and how that awareness will change
your life. And I introduce manyscientific concepts in terms that I've developed through
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years of research, and think ofour world as AM radio. It has
frequency vibration energy and the spirit realmis FM radio. So you have these
two energetic systems running parallel to eachother, but occasionally they're able to overlap.
And what that means is, asa psychic medium, I have to
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bring my brainwave frequency to a pointwhere spirits are able to bring theirs down
out of FM radio and we meetan overlap, and that's how spirit communication
occurs. Conversely, we believe thatthat's how spirits like the shadow people and
the shadow people are cool because they'rethe most commonly seen spirits. They appear
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as a shadow, usually against awall, and that's essentially what we believe
they're doing. They're adjusting their frequencyto make that jump from one dimension to
our dimension. So what we're seeingis different entities using a similar modality to
communicate. Now, if you'll bearwith me for a moment, last Saturday,
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actually last Friday night, I wason Rob McConnell's show The X Zone,
and Rob and I were talking aboutCalvin Parker, and Calvin Parker is
the most credible alien abductee on record. He was nineteen years old fifty years
ago in Pascagoula, Mississippi, andhe was fishing with a family friend,
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this guy Charles Hickson, who wasforty two, and the Calvin is a
great guy, and I interviewed himtwice for my podcast Destination Supernatural, something
I was working on a couple ofyears ago, and after the interviews,
I'd call Calvin and we just talk. You know. He was just a
great guy, and so Rob andI were talking about him and how he
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and his friend were fishing and allof a sudden, this metallic object came
out of the sky. He said, we tried to run, but we
couldn't. This white light that ithit us with, this light like we
were paralyzed in it. These tworobotic entities came out, grabbed him and
grabbed Charles, brought them onto thecraft. He said, he felt like
a lab raw. They put himon this examination table, they started probing
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him, doing all these things tohim, and then eventually they released him.
And fascinating that the Sheriff's department atPascagoula that day was flooded with phone
calls from people reporting UFO flying saucerall types. So a lot of people
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saw whatever this was, and Calvindidn't want to talk about it, but
Charles Hickson went public had hit worldnews. Long story short. Over the
past fifty years, Calvin's been subjectedto polygraph to lie detector tests. He
was interrogated by local police, bystate police, by the FBI. He
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was subjected to sodium penthethol the serum. Yeah, he went through hypno therapy
and in every single interrogation lie detectorsodium pentethol hypnotherapy, he showed zero signs
of deception, one hundred percent truthful. And he's considered the most credible alien
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abductee on record. And he toldme it was Mark. Why would I
make something like this up? Hesaid, I was a nineteen year old
redneck and all I wanted to dowas go fishing that day. And he
goes, and if you really wantto screw up your life, go around
and tell people aliens came in andabducted you from a flying saucer, you
know. And you know, hewas just such a genuine guy. And
so I was talking to Rob aboutall this, Rob McConnell on the X
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Zone, and then I find outthe next day Calvin died on Saturday,
and so I he may have diedon Friday, but it didn't become public
until Saturday. And it just youknow, touched me that, you know,
maybe maybe he was reaching out tosay Hey, Mark, you know
I'm in spirit and I just wantedto take the time to to honor him.
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But I did a reading for Calvin. I've also done a reading for
Nancy Tremaine, who was also consideredan extreme incredible alien abductee. And I've
done readings for three other people thatsaid that they were abducted by by aliens.
And what's really fascinating about this,Larry, is their loved ones and
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spirit all discussed the abductions they camethrough and said, yes, they they
have marked you. And they explainedto this one young man that I did
a reading for that you need tochange your diet because to make yourself less
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interesting to them because it's the wayyou metabolize protein. And in every single
one of the readings it came outabout protein, how they metabolize protein.
So I had a subsequent interview withChris DePerno, who is with moufon the
Mutual UFO Network. Now, Moufon, these are not a bunch of cranks.
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You've got a lot of scientists.And I believe Chris used to be
a police investigator as well, andso what he does is he debriefs the
people who claim to be abductees becausesome people are making it up, but
he said others are very genuine.And I mentioned to him about the protein.
He said, whoa, He goes, what did you say? And
I said, well, they're allclaiming that the aliens the spirits are saying
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that they're being targeted because of theway they metabolize protein. He said,
Mark, in every single one ofthe alien abductees, they have an insatiable
desire for protein. They can't getenough of it. And I called up
Calvin and I said, well,what's the deal with you in protein?
He goes, Dear God, Mark, I can't get enough of it.
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So why why is it that factorthat they're seeking out? And it certainly
leads to a lot more interesting questions, questions absolutely Now I want to go
back a little bit here because I'mforming to the question in my mind.
We're talking about this spirit world andthe frequencies. That certainly makes sense to
me. Then you're discussing the almostthe wormhole effect, I think, which
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you're describing early with the aliens.Yet both sides are talking about each other.
We're talking about Einstein's theory of relativity, the dimensions. Sitting next to
each other. So what I'm kindof getting out of this mark are we
talking about? Almost everything is everythingis one a collective consciousness. The fact
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that kind of way is that wherewe're going, I believe. So one
of the terms that I introduce inmy books Evidence of Eternity and more recently
the afterlife frequency, is the collectiveconsciousness. And we know that everything is
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made of molecules, which in turnermade of atoms, which in turn are
composed of electrons, protons and neutrons, which in turn are made of the
smallest particle quantum. That's where weget the term quantum physics, which is
electromagnetic energy. So everything in thatis matter on the most basic level,
Larry, is made of the sameelectromagnetic energy. And that means you and
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me the headphones were wearing the radiowaves that this show is being brought with
some cebration. Yeah, the lightof the sun, the surface of Mars
and beyond are made of all electromagneticenergy. So therefore everything is interconnected.
And and you know, the greatspiritual teachers have been saying this for thousands
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of years. We're all brothers andsisters, were all cells in the body
of God. We are all interconnected, and now we know from quantum physics,
from the energy standpoint, we areI'm gonna really take a stretch here.
Then you remember what Carl Cherry tothe gods, Carl Eric von dannikin
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thank You. Okay, they're talkingabout aliens coming here and actually being worshiped
as gods. Yes, back then, is that all part of this?
Well, it could be. Itcould be. I mean, think about
it. If all of a suddenyou landed somewhere and the people there were
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living in the Stone Age or let'ssay the Bronze Age, and there's aliens
walking around with led lights and theability to fly, certainly they would take
on godlike proportions. And I rememberyears ago being in the Amazon and I
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was on a research vessel and we'reon the Urabamba River, which is one
of the tributaries of the Peruvian Amazon, and we visited several villages and these
were as primitive as it gets.I mean, grass huts, no running
water, no electricity, I mean, people were dirt poor, very And
so we get off the research vessel. We're wearing air rebox and nikes and
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our clothes, and they're looking atus and they're all staring at our feet
because they didn't have shoes. AndI remember somebody had one of those.
It's kind of now it's antiquated,but at the time it was an SX
seventy land camera and you'd take apicture and it would such, you know,
put out the picture, and thenthe picture would start to develop before
your very eyes. Well, letme tell you, we're taking pictures of
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the people and then we're holding themup and letting them develop, and they're
like, you know, I mean. And so to answer your question,
you know, if they weren't,you know, accustomed to the fact that
people would happen by Let's say wewere the only vessel that ever visited there,
what would those people think we were? They would they would think that
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we were gods, and the godsare speaking to me. Now for our
next break. Dang it, itgoes so fast, so folks, stay
with us. We've got one moresession left, so please stay with us
with my guest Mark Anthony, beright back and welcome back to Paranormal Steak
Out. My guest night, MarkAnthony JD. Psychic Explore. You know,
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Mark, we've scratched the surface andso many very very deep topics.
I feel like we've done none ofthem to justice they deserve, so we're
gonna probably have to do this againif I can talk into coming back,
because there's some areas I really wantto delve into. What I do want
to mention everybody, though, doremember to check us out at Paranormal steakout
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Do check out all the great programprogramming on the network XCBN dot net.
Mark, how can folks get aholdof you? And what new was
going on with you right now?What would you like to tell the folks
about? Well? I would liketo invite everyone to visit my website which
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is Afterlife Frequency dot com, whichis just like my latest book, The
Afterlife Frequency, and you can findout about reading, booking or reading with
me. I also invite you tosign up for my newsletter so you can
discover what's coming up. I knowthat Larry and I will be having I'll
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be coming to one of your eventson October fourteenth and for yeah, I'm
looking forward to that. And what'scool is the night before, on the
evening of October Friday, October thirteenth, I'm going to be on Coast to
coast am talking about the myths andlegends behind Friday the thirteenth and why you
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know why it's so you know wherethe superstition come from it. But in
October, I also have a coupleof light circle events. And light circles
are online events limited to six peopleand everyone is guaranteed a reading once again.
You can find out about all ofthat by visiting my website Afterlife frequency
dot com sign up for the newsletter. You can also find out on my
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calendar events about subscribing to Best HolisticLife magazine. I'm a VIP executive contributor.
I write stories every month and thismonth I think you'll like and you
definitely want to read the October articlebecause it's called the Great ghost Hunt at
the Stanley Hotel. And yeah,and that's a real that's a really I
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was a really amazing experience in paranormalinvestigation. So afterlife Frequency dot Com and
I also do a live stream showevery Thursday night, The Psychic and the
doc orre My co host artor PatPiscillian. I we take calls from listeners
and I bring forth messages and shehelps people understand them. But Larry,
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let me tell you something, Idefinitely would be honored to come back to
talk about more things because just talkingto you on the show and on the
breaks, I mean, we haveno limit to the things we could talk
about. And there's a like Isaid, I want to do some of
these topics a little bit more justicethan we've been able to do tonight.
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So I want to talk about somethingnow. The collective conscious is a theory
is a topic that I find infinitelyfascinating you were discussing about, And I
love your analogy. We here onthis plane or the AM FM radio and
those that have passed before us oron the FM, and sometimes they come
together in your work in your studies. What really happens? What have you
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found that really happens after we pass? And how is it the folks on
the other side are able to communicatewith us and once again a very wow.
Yeah, that's that's a two hourdiscussion just there. But you combine
that with the the wormhole theory dimensions, it makes one wonder where's where are
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we going? What? What?What's happening after we die? I'll let
you take it from there. Yeah, and well, that's basically the reason
that I wrote the Afterlife Frequency isto explain explain what you just asked.
And in the Afterlife Frequency, Iintroduced the concept of the electro magnetic soul
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the e MS all right, andbefore I was talking about everything on the
subatomic level is made of quantum electromagneticenergy. We know that from the laws
of physics, energies neither created itor destroyed, only transferred from one form
to another. We know that fromevery great spiritual teacher that the soul pre
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exists, the body comes into thebody, moves on after the body dies.
And so I developed the term theelectromagnetic soul to describe what we really
are, which is pure consciousness.That's the soul of spirit, which is
eternal electromagnetic energy. So to answeryour question about what happens when we die,
think of your brain as a computerhard drive. It did not create
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the soul. It merely hosts it. So think of that soul as like
an energetic drop of water, andwhen we physically die, that drop of
water plunges into this vast, eternalsea of souls, and that is the
collective consciousness. So you take youwith you when you die. Okay.
The body is simply you know.It's like you know, yeah, when
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your car stop working, you're notthe car. You get out of it
and you move on, all right, So we leave that body behind.
And the fascinating thing about the EMSis, yes, you're an individual,
but now you're energetically linked to othersouls, linked to other souls, linked
to other souls, which is whyduring readings, when a spirit comes forward,
they can see past, present,and future because part of Einstein's theory
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of relativity is that on the quantumelectromagnetic level, time doesn't exist. That's
why they can see past, present, future. Also, this is how
a spirit will know things that farexceeded the scope of anything he or she
knew in this world because they haveaccess to this infinite database. It's where
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they get healing messages, scientific messages, and I've conveyed those and I work
with scientists at the University of Arizonawhere they're working with me bringing forth messages
that I don't even understand what theyare, but the scientists are like,
oh my god, that's the informationwe're looking for. And this is all
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dealing with the collective consciousness. Sothat is it in a nutshell. But
but the collective consciousness you can callthis. I think it's part of what
we can call God, you know. I mean, having been raised Athlican
and a Christian faith, you know, Italian, so I tend to think
of God and the Michelangelo painting senseof, you know, the wise guy
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with the white beard and the angelsand everyone's drinking really great red wine and
all this, and that's nice forus to have a point of reference to
understand. But when we're interfacing withthe collective consciousness, it is so much
greater than any artistic depiction or anybook or any scripture. And I'm not
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downplaying or insulting those I'm just sayingthat what lie is beyond is beyond our
ability to even begin to grasp it. But what I do know is it's
it's wonderful. Well, I thinkIt can be argued too that throughout history
man has picked an I don't wantthe best word encompass as an icon with
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which to credit all of this too. So that's that's where the the the
great, the great history folks inhistory comes. So but it's all just
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I hed trouble articulating that, but
that that's exactly right. So it'sman's inability to grasp the greatness of what
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the collective consciousness is, so theyhave to actually tag it with something that
makes sense to them. Well,we as humans do because while the brain
didn't create consciousness, the soul iscontained within it, and the brain is
is our arbiter between the material worldand who and what we are. But
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the brain is only designed for finiteperception because everything that we know has a
beginning, of middle, and anend. We're born, we growled,
we die, you know, treeseventually fall, and you know buildings crumble,
so you know, everything we haveis finite. And when you're working
with the spiritual, we're dealing withbeings that are infinite, and so we
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have to create an interphase. Becauseyou and I we're bright guys, but
even the smartest people on the planet, cannot can't comprehend infinity. So it's
easier to think of God and theperson of Jesus or Shiva or whatever your
cultural reference is than this quantum electromagnetic field with no beginning, no end,
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and that is just expanding into eternity. It's like, you know,
what was that seventies eighties move?Too much input? Too much input?
You know. I had at myone tipe put this to me that when
you die, your soul goes toheaven. I collective conscious, but your
spirit is what we see here energystaying behind. Could that be what we
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see sometimes? Also? Well,I believe that there's residual energy, echoes
and also our ems, our electromagneticsouls, a multidimensional being. So I
would not discount what your friends said, because our soul even now is having
also an infinite experience, because weare energetically connected to the collective consciousness.
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It's like why the other night alson, Rob and I start talking about Calvin
Parker, who then we find outdies the next day, and I did
not know that at the time ofthe show. Now coincidence or synchronicity,
synchronicity, I do not believe thereare any coincidences I've come, I've come
to learn that one also precisely,so I think I think it is all
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connected. We've got a couple ofminutes left, and I don't want to
interrupt this last comment from you,because I would really like to know what
if you have a message for myfolks out there listening, or anybody that
catches any of your broadcasts, whatmessage would you like to share? It
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was made very clear to me.You know, people ask me how did
you transition from law to being afull time medium. And about a month
after my mother passed, I wasdriving back from court and I just knew
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I needed to pull over, andsuddenly there was this flash of light in
the car, and I looked atthe passenger side, at a passenger seat,
and I saw my mother's silhouette inthe silver white light, and her
voice filled my head and she said, Mark, You've been given the gift
of mediumships so that you would notbe crushed by grief, but now you
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must help those who are suffering withtheirs. Now I'm trying to process that,
and then I get another message,and this is the message that I
want to share with the world.She said, your life's mission is to
help people understand that God exists,that the afterlife, heaven, nirvana,
whatever you want to call it,exists, that your souls are immortal,
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living beings, that humans can communicatewith souls, and that we will all
be reunited when it is your appointedtime to leave the material world in the
light that you call God. AndI was soaking wet with sweat, and
all I could say, Larry,was Okay. It was one of the
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most, if not the most profound, spiritual experience of my life. And
that's the passage that I have,and a deep one. And with that,
my dear friend, we're going tohave to, unfortunately call it a
night, but we're going to haveyou back on because we've got so many
more things to discuss. Looking forwardto seeing you in October. And folks,
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thank you for joining us tonight onparanor will stake out. Please take
care of yourselves, love your family, hug your kids, take care of
yourselves, and we'll see you onthe other side. Have a good night.
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everyone, and welcome back to ParanormalSteak Out. Coming to you from the
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Great to be back with you.I've got a terrific guest tonight. I
know we're going to have an outstandingtime. Well, I do want to
take a quick second, though,to keep the thoughts of our friends,
families, neighbors in both Maui andthe North part of Florida after the disasters
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up in what we're doing in anyfield, I guess really, and we
forget about those that really are lessfortunate than us. So please keep all
the folks in those disaster areas inyour prayers. Of East Palestine, Ohio.
Being a buck GUYE you know thathit home also, so keep those
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us out, and of course Ialways check out the great programming here on
the X one Broadcast Radio and TVbroadcast network. Tonight's guest, Wow,
I've had some cops on the show. You know that because being retired flatfoot
myself, I'd like to talk tocops and other first responders about their interests
in their experiences. But Tid,it's a little bit different. I have
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a gentleman who's not only known asthe psychic but he's known as the psychic
Lawyer. Mark Anthony J. D. Mark is a fourth generation psychic medium
who communicates with spirits. Spirits.He's an Oxford educated attorney and he's tried
over one hundred jury trials, andfolks, I can tell you that's a
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lot of jury trials all things considered. He's a licensed to practice law here
in Florida as well as DC atthe Supreme Court level. He's also he's
not as the psychic Explorer due tohis extensive background in science and quantum physics,
survival of consciousness, near death experiences, history, archaeology, philosophy,
theology. He examines mystical locations allthrough the US and in different parts of
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the world, television, he's authoredbooks. I just want to get to
him and start talking. So I'dlike to welcome Mark Anthony the Psychic Explorer
to the show. Mark, sohappy to have you here. Thank you,
Larry. It's great. And youknow, before we are on the
show, it used to be acop and I used to be a prosecutor.
And I love it because we speakthe same language. We do.
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And what a lot of folks don'tknow, as I spent a number of
years as an investigator for the StateAttorney's office in the nineteenth circuit here in
Florida. So let's spend a littlebit more time on your side, sometimes
from the cops side even, Butyeah, so we speak the same language.
And but a lot of my folksget to know you, maybe for
the first time in my audience.Tell us a little bit about Mark Anthony's
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Psychic Explorer. Well, I wasborn as psychic medium, because this runs
in my family for generations on bothsides. And the thing is, I've
tracted back to the eighteen nineties onboth sides of the family, so that's
going about about four generations, andit probably goes back even farther than that.
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It's just that, you know,it's hard to find the documentation.
And my dad was a US Navyseal and a NASA engineer, so he
was a real no nonsense kind ofguy. But he had mediumistic ability.
And my mother was the full package. I mean, Mom was a very
gifted psychic medium and she she wasa commercial illustrator and an artist. And
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so there I am. I'm threeand a half years old, and I
start playing with and interacting with myinvisible friends, and except that Mom and
Dad could see and understand who Iwas talking to. And I'll never forget
Mom's reactions like, oh, he'sgot it, and Davids was like,
God, jeez, he's got it. So the reactions were a bit different.
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And what it was is my dadwas he knew how difficult this could
be. You know, it's hardenough being a kid, but when you're
a strange kid. But my parentswere very cool about things. And when
I was starting, I went toCatholic school. I was raised in the
Catholic faith, and I remember beforeI went to my first of school,
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Dad said, you can talk toyour mother and I about these things all
you want, but not anybody else. And when I got into the Catholic
school program, I could see whythey said that so and then it's always
been with me throughout my whole life. And as I got older, the
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older I got, the more intensemy abilities became. And then it just
got to a point, Larry,where I reached a crossroads of my life.
And the story is about why Ileft the practice of law and everything.
It's it's a long story, butit would take up the whole show
to get into everything. But Ifinally embraced my abilities, and then whether
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I wanted to or not, theybecame public. So I've left the practice
of law, and I still appearon TV and radio as a legal analyst
and work behind the scenes on coldcases. And I just did an investigation
of a cold case for just abrand new Discovery Channel show. My manager,
Rocky and I were up there inIndiana checking and investigating the Lee Allen
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Bryant Sanatorium and that place was ahouse of horrors, definitely what had happened
there, so here I am wow. Tell me how did you find your
abilities? Were they in conflict withyour work as an attorney or did or
did it any enhanced? I mean, the question's got to come out,
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Well, did you know what theverdict was going to be prior to I'm
sure you heard that joke on oneor two all the time. And the
thing is, what people need tounderstand about psychic and medium insticability is that
it doesn't make you omnipresent. Inother words, I am not at all
seeing and all knowing God is I'mnot. What it does is it gives
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me glimpses and insights, and itcertainly came in handy. I never found
it in conflict with my work asa lawyer. In fact, I found
that it worked in tandem because asa lawyer you have to have evidence to
prove your case, okay, andas a medium, and I love the
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intro to your show because it saidthat you're working on finding the proof of
the afterlife and these phenomenon that couldmeet the standard of a jury, and
that once again we are speaking thesame language on that. And what do
I do as an evidential medium?I have to present evidence transmitted from spirits
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through me that can be objectively verified. I mean, anybody can say your
grandmother's here and she loves you.But if I start giving you what she
looked like, her name, apersonality profile, shared memories between you and
her, things that there's no wayI could know, then that is evidence.
And the other thing about both careersis I'm certainly well aware of the
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jokes about lawyers and people don't likelawyers, and the reason for that is
when you go to a lawyer,very seldom do you go because it's a
happy thing. It's usually because you'vebeen arrested, you're getting sued, you've
been injured, you know, there'sa contract dispute there. There's something negative
in your life, and people tendto take that negativity and they focus it
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on the lawyers. But lawyers arethere to help people through the difficult times
of life, and as a medium, what I do is by facilitating communication
between somebody here and somebody that theylove who has died, I'm helping them
through the most difficult times of theirlife. So that's how the two different
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careers have have melded. And Ican appreciate that because nobody calls a cop
just because they want to talk tohim. Either, they call us when
there's a problem, so I cancertainly relate to that. Have you ever
found that your your abilities have providedan answer for you in a case?
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That's a good question. Oh,absolutely, got to get so many stories.
But it always came in very handyduring jury selection. And I know
that. You know, as apolice officer you've been through a lot of
jury trials, but for those ofyou haven't. Before the pliniff or in
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a criminal case, the prosecution thestate present their case and the defense presents
theirs, you have to select ajury. And it's funny because in TV
shows they always go right to,you know, the trial, but jury
selection. And it's always been saidthat in circles with trial lawyers that a
trial is one or lost on juryselection. And the point of jury selection
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is for both sides to get ajury that is fair and impartial. The
reality is you're trying to get peoplethat are predisposed towards you, and so
what happens is initially they'll bring inthe pool of perspective jurors and then the
prosecution gets to ask these people questionsabout their views on the case or views
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on the legal system and personal things, try to get a feel for them.
Then the defense gets to ask questions, and then both sides gets to
pop off eliminate. They called strikingyou know a certain number, and then
you end up with a jury.So here i am. I'm trying a
case, and it was it wasa crime of violence. My client was
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a big bruiser and he got intoa fight with another big bruiser at a
bar. And guess what, Myclient was the winner. So who filed
charges? I'll bet you saw thata million times. The loser of the
fight filed the charges. So basically, big bruiser a beats up big bruiser
beat So it's a crime of violence. And the prosecutors asking questions and then
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the prosecutor sits down. Now it'smy turn to question the perspective jury panel.
The problem was I kept zeroing inon this one woman. I kept
feeling something about her, and Ikept getting a female spirit, a female
energy connected to her. And I'mlike, okay, this is trial.
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This really needs not to be happening, you know. And I'm getting this
tightening around my throat. So thatindicates that this person died from some type
of obstruction with their windpipe. Andit kept intensifying, and so I'm like,
alry, trying to clear it,and then the judge says, you
know, counsel. So I stoodup and I asked a very standard question
in a criminal case, has anyof the prospective jury members have you or
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has anyone in your family ever beenthe victim of a violent crime? Larry
lo and behold that woman. Sheraises her hand and she's trembling, and
I remember she's like she had thisolive complexion and these big dark eyes,
and the tears just started rolling downher cheeks, and she said, a
year ago, my sister was ina foreign country when an escape mental patience
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strangled her, dismembered her body andthrough her in the garbage, like she
was trash. I'm standing there andIt's like, all I'm thinking is in
law school, they didn't teach mehow to deal with this situation. And
even the prosecutor is usually when theselike really irritating people, couldn't you know?
And I can hear my client onlike dude, what are you doing?
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And then I can see her sister'sspirit forming. I mean, I
can see this and I literally hada foot in both worlds. And if
the listeners want to find out whathappens, you're gonna have to get my
first book, Never Letting Go,because I explained that whole story there.
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Well, with that, we gotto take our first break when we get
back when I'm talking about cold casesand one that you were involved in.
So folks, stay with us.Fascinating discussion with Mark Anthony, Psychic Explorer.
We'll be back after these messages.We are back on the own broadcast
network, but with Parentoble's takeout withmy guest tonight, Mark Anthony. You
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know Mark being a cop and alsobeing a paranormal investigator researcher. The one
thing I've always wanted to do isfind that connection that it will allow us
to use this this gift, thisability to perhaps connect to the other side
and solve crime cold cases if youwill. I understand you were just involved
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in when that long ago. Yeah, can you tell us a little bit
about that. I think this isan important subject. I can't give a
lot of details because it's a brandnew show that Zack Began's is producing.
But they brought me in to touse my abilities at this abandoned used to
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be a sanatorium because there was asuspected murder suicide there and what I picked
up indicated something quite different. Andwhat's fascinating is one of the other investigator,
his guy named Gary Gonka, andhe's the one who invented the spirit
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box. And Gary's a really greatguy. He was an electrical engineer and
unfortunately his daughter died and so hetook his genius and started working on technology
to pick up on the voices ofspirits and has been able to make contact
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with his daughter through that. Andit was really neat because when we were
we had some downtime, he wasshowing me this and it's interesting because we
picked up on his daughter and myparents and another friend of mine, and
what was cool was the technology's pickingup on their voices and then they're supplementing
the information through me, and Igave Gary some information about him and about
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his daughter that I had no ideaabout what he verified. And so it's
really interesting when you can pare upthat the technology of the electrical technology along
with what I call myself the biotechnology in that. And I also worked
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on a cold case. I wason the CBS TV show called the Doctors,
and they had me do a readingfor Alison Feldman's family. She was
brutally murdered and it was a coldcase. And the information that I got
I gave to Alison. It wasall filmed and it didn't make sense right
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away. But what happened was Isaid that there was tissue samples found at
the scene that have to be analyzedand that the police have to expand the
parameters of the blood test. AndAllison's father said, well, the police
they did, they did do aDNA search. I said, no,
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they're not doing the right one.It has to expand the parameters. So
he went back to Phoenix where themurder occurred and told the police that.
And so at that time they institutedthe familial DNA test, which I know
you're aware of, and that hadnever been used in Arizona before, and
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lo and behold, they found amatch. They found and I could go
on, we could do the wholeshow just on the information there. But
it led to the arrest of theguy and he is still awaiting trial on
premeditated first degree murder. See that'swhere I think that somebody with law enforcement
investigative background in concert with all ofthis would make a very very potent remedy
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to some of these cold cases.I really think that, And that's what
I'd like to see, you know, develop It's true, and I know
that a lot of cops are verycynical towards psychics, but a lot are
not. And because look, asa police officer and all the first responders,
all the cops, all the paramedics, you guys have seen stuff that
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developpies defies explanation, okay, andwhere psychics come in handy with law enforcement,
obviously you could not put me onthe witness stand and say so you
saw a spirit that said this,because psychic intuition and messages from spirits are
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hearsay and hearsay. The technical definitionis an out of court statement offered to
prove the truth of the matter asserted, because you always hear like objection hearsay,
because this statement was made out ofcourt. Now, the way to
get around here, say is canthat st or the person who made it
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be subjected to cross examination to takeit out of the purely subjective into the
realm of the objective. Now,obviously, statements from spirits are about as
hearsay as you can get. I'mreceiving messages from another dimension, all right.
But while that may not be admissiblein trial, what we can do
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is work with the police during theinvestigation phase, and the information that a
spirit gives me can be provided tothe police, which can then direct them
in the right path to find evidencewhich is admissible. So that's where we
come in handy. I agree,And I don't know if you remember it,
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but the hearsay exception rule we havehere in Florida might even be an
opening for that, and that's usedmostly on childcases, but it does encompass
the same thing as you're describing.Certainly, you get information that leads the
detective to a spot. Yes,I agree, and that I think is
going to be the door to open. Certainly, so more police agencies use
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psychics than they'll admit, and look, the bottom line is justice, and
if we have to remain in theshadows, as long as we're helping,
then we're doing the right thing becausethese abilities. The way I look at
my role as a psychic medium,as somebody who communicates with spirits, is
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my job is to bring forth messagesfor the highest of purposes, to help
someone get healing, inner peace,resolution and closure from the death of a
loved one. And if part ofthat communication helps us nab the person who
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is a murderer, I think that'spart of the healing process as well.
I totally agree. And there's agentleman that really turned my And I was
one of those typical cops years agowho didn't sure, but but I have.
I've had my mind opened and myexperiences broadened. But a gentleman,
Chris Huff is his name. He'shelped me understand exactly I can't say exactly
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closer to what you got, sir. Can tell us now onto another quick
subject here, you're you got.You were known originally as the psychic lawyer,
right, but more now you're morereferred to as the psychic explorer.
Explain to me how that metamorphos happenedwhen I about gosh, I'm trying to
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think how long ago that was hadto be almost fifteen years ago. I
was in New York City and Iwas at a media conference about my first
book, Never Letting Go Excuse Me, and one of the reporters there said,
wait a second, this guy's apsychic medium and a lawyer. He
goes, He's the Psychic Lawyer,and all of a sudden, the media
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started calling me the Psychic Lawyer,and it caught on, and my publicists
an agent at the time, andthen Rocky, who's my manager, They're
like, well, this is good, you know. So I went ahead
and got a trademarked because Mark Anthonyof the Psychic Lawyer. But then I
started appearing on a lot of showslike The X Zone and Coast to Coast
and several other radio podcasts, TVshows for my expertise in ancient mystery supernatural
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phenomenon. I'm also a near deathexperience researcher, and I study psychic medium
ship through a scientific basis and explainwhat I drew through the realm of quantum
physics. And another media outlet andthey started calling me the psychic Indiana Jones
and the Psychic Explorer, you know, because I've been all these mystical sites.
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I mean, that's what I lovedoing, studying ancient mystery and then
go there and to the ancient ruinsand feel the energy and so so Rocky
and I and my producer in California, Mackenzie Van Dorn Rice, we sat
down and we started talking because mybrand was getting too long, and so
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we came up at the idea ofMark Anthony JD. Which is my jurist
doctorate psychic Explorer. So that wayit rolls everything into one because when when
you're known as the psychic lawyer,people think that all I do is people
say, well, do you predictthe outcome of cases? And I was
trying to explain to them though thatisn't what I'm doing, and then people
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want to Pigeonholmie is just working oncold cases, which certainly I don't mind
working on. But what I dohas such a broad field. So I
hope that that explains, it helpshelps clarify that that does and the explore
for the ancient mysteries. That bringsme to another topic. And I hope
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we have enough time before the breakWe haven't really talked about ghost spirits per
se, but that's certainly who youcommunicate with the other side. Recently,
we're talking a lot more hearing,a lot more of spirit, the spirit
world being connected with things such asUFOs and dimensional dimensional type of events.
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Is there a connection? How muchtime do we have before the break we
might have we might have to dotoo, You have to have to break
all of these things. UFOs,paranormal investigations, the shadow people, which
I'm sure you're aware of, andwhat I do as a medium spirit communication.
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They all are what I refer toas interdimensional communication, and that means
that here we are in our materialworld dimension and we're communicating with beings that
are in a par parallel or analternate or a distant dimension. Now there
are different entities, be they aliens, spirits, the shadow people that are
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using the same type of modality tocommunicate. In other words, there is
a frequency overlap between our world andtheirs. For example, UFOs. The
closest star to us is Alpha Centauri, which is four light years away,
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and that is a light year isthe distance that it takes light to travel
in a year. Light travels atone hundred and eighty six two hundred and
eighty two miles per second. Sowhen you start calculating that out, we
are now in the trillions of miles. So even at the speed of light,
it would take a ufo four yearsjust to get here from our centauri.
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And what if there's no life aroundAlfa Centauri. Maybe they're coming from
eight hundred thousand light years away.But according to Einstein's theory of relativity,
nothing can go faster than the speedof light. And so how could they
do this? Well, we've allseen star trek and talk about you know,
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warp speed. Well that's actually areal thing. And the Mexican physicist
al Kubera came up with the alKubera effect, which means that if a
space vessel could create an energy fielda warp bubble around it of sufficient energy.
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All right, so let's say thispiece of paper, here is Earth,
and here is a planet a thousandlight years there's a way. Here's
what we're gonna do, because we'vecome up on that break, Like,
keep hang on to that piece ofpaper, and we're going to come back
with folks, so much to talkabout. Stay with us. Will be
back after these messages. We areback on paranormal stake out with my guest
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night Mark Anthony JD Psychic Explorer,and I'm going to try not to interrupt
you this time we were talking aboutit. We're just getting ready to getting
ready to give it a very deepsubject. So pick up where we left
off. So what we're talking aboutis UFOs and other spirit UFOs in addition
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to spiritual entities, how do theyjump from one dimension to the next.
And we're taking UFOs first, andthe al Kubera effect, which is named
after the Mexican physicist Al Kubera.We know that according to Einstein's theory of
relativity, nothing can exceed the speedof light. So let's say that there's
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a planet a thousand miles away excuseme, a thousand light years away,
and that would mean the Aliens wouldhave to be traveling in their tin can
through space for a thousand years justto get here one way, if they
could only go at the speed oflight. But the al Kubera effect is
when an energy field is created aroundthe craft, which causes a warp in
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the space time continuum. So let'ssay here is planet Earth this corner,
and here is the planet a thousandyears away, So the alien technology would
indicate that they've created a energy fieldthat instead of going across this thousand years,
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they fold the space time, sothey jumped from one coordinate in space
time to another instantaneously. And thisis something that scientists, that physicists the
world over said is possible. It'sjust that we do not yet have the
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technology to generate that type of energy. But they're saying that this is possible.
So you're not violating Einstein's theory ofrelativity. Instead of going in a
straight line, you're you're making aripple there. Now that's very fascinating because
it also makes a lot of sensebecause in these vessels would be able to
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get here instantaneously. Now, howdo we apply this to the spiritual?
In my book, The Afterlife Frequency, and that's my latest book, The
Afterlife Frequency is the scientific proof ofspiritual contact and how that awareness will change
your life. And I introduce manyscientific concepts in terms that I've developed through
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years of research, and think ofour world as AM radio. It has
frequency vibration energy and the spirit realmis FM radio. So you have these
two energetic systems running parallel to eachother, but occasionally they're able to overlap.
And what that means is, asa psychic medium, I have to
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bring my brainwave frequency to a pointwhere spirits are able to bring theirs down
out of FM radio and we meetan overlap, and that's how spirit communication
occurs. Conversely, we believe thatthat's how spirits like the shadow people and
the shadow people are cool because they'rethe most commonly seen spirits. They appear
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as a shadow, usually against awall, and that's essentially what we believe
they're doing. They're adjusting their frequencyto make that jump from one dimension to
our dimension. So what we're seeingis different entities using a similar modality to
communicate. Now, if you'll bearwith me for a moment, last Saturday,
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actually last Friday night, I wason Rob McConnell's show The X Zone,
and Rob and I were talking aboutCalvin Parker, and Calvin Parker is
the most credible alien abductee on record. He was nineteen years old fifty years
ago in Pascagoula, Mississippi, andhe was fishing with a family friend,
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this guy Charles Hickson, who wasforty two, and the Calvin is a
great guy, and I interviewed himtwice for my podcast Destination Supernatural, something
I was working on a couple ofyears ago, and after the interviews,
I'd call Calvin and we just talk. You know. He was just a
great guy, and so Rob andI were talking about him and how he
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and his friend were fishing and allof a sudden, this metallic object came
out of the sky. He said, we tried to run, but we
couldn't. This white light that ithit us with, this light like we
were paralyzed in it. These tworobotic entities came out, grabbed him and
grabbed Charles, brought them onto thecraft. He said, he felt like
a lab raw. They put himon this examination table, they started probing
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him, doing all these things tohim, and then eventually they released him.
And fascinating that the Sheriff's department atPascagoula that day was flooded with phone
calls from people reporting UFO flying saucerall types. So a lot of people
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saw whatever this was, and Calvindidn't want to talk about it, but
Charles Hickson went public had hit worldnews. Long story short. Over the
past fifty years, Calvin's been subjectedto polygraph to lie detector tests. He
was interrogated by local police, bystate police, by the FBI. He
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was subjected to sodium penthethol the serum. Yeah, he went through hypno therapy
and in every single interrogation lie detectorsodium pentethol hypnotherapy, he showed zero signs
of deception, one hundred percent truthful. And he's considered the most credible alien
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abductee on record. And he toldme it was Mark. Why would I
make something like this up? Hesaid, I was a nineteen year old
redneck and all I wanted to dowas go fishing that day. And he
goes, and if you really wantto screw up your life, go around
and tell people aliens came in andabducted you from a flying saucer, you
know. And you know, hewas just such a genuine guy. And
so I was talking to Rob aboutall this, Rob McConnell on the X
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Zone, and then I find outthe next day Calvin died on Saturday,
and so I he may have diedon Friday, but it didn't become public
until Saturday. And it just youknow, touched me that, you know,
maybe maybe he was reaching out tosay Hey, Mark, you know
I'm in spirit and I just wantedto take the time to to honor him.
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But I did a reading for Calvin. I've also done a reading for
Nancy Tremaine, who was also consideredan extreme incredible alien abductee. And I've
done readings for three other people thatsaid that they were abducted by by aliens.
And what's really fascinating about this,Larry, is their loved ones and
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spirit all discussed the abductions they camethrough and said, yes, they they
have marked you. And they explainedto this one young man that I did
a reading for that you need tochange your diet because to make yourself less
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interesting to them because it's the wayyou metabolize protein. And in every single
one of the readings it came outabout protein, how they metabolize protein.
So I had a subsequent interview withChris DePerno, who is with moufon the
Mutual UFO Network. Now, Moufon, these are not a bunch of cranks.
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You've got a lot of scientists.And I believe Chris used to be
a police investigator as well, andso what he does is he debriefs the
people who claim to be abductees becausesome people are making it up, but
he said others are very genuine.And I mentioned to him about the protein.
He said, whoa, He goes, what did you say? And
I said, well, they're allclaiming that the aliens the spirits are saying
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that they're being targeted because of theway they metabolize protein. He said,
Mark, in every single one ofthe alien abductees, they have an insatiable
desire for protein. They can't getenough of it. And I called up
Calvin and I said, well,what's the deal with you in protein?
He goes, Dear God, Mark, I can't get enough of it.
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So why why is it that factorthat they're seeking out? And it certainly
leads to a lot more interesting questions, questions absolutely Now I want to go
back a little bit here because I'mforming to the question in my mind.
We're talking about this spirit world andthe frequencies. That certainly makes sense to
me. Then you're discussing the almostthe wormhole effect, I think, which
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you're describing early with the aliens.Yet both sides are talking about each other.
We're talking about Einstein's theory of relativity, the dimensions. Sitting next to
each other. So what I'm kindof getting out of this mark are we
talking about? Almost everything is everythingis one a collective consciousness. The fact
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that kind of way is that wherewe're going, I believe. So one
of the terms that I introduce inmy books Evidence of Eternity and more recently
the afterlife frequency, is the collectiveconsciousness. And we know that everything is
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made of molecules, which in turnermade of atoms, which in turn are
composed of electrons, protons and neutrons, which in turn are made of the
smallest particle quantum. That's where weget the term quantum physics, which is
electromagnetic energy. So everything in thatis matter on the most basic level,
Larry, is made of the sameelectromagnetic energy. And that means you and
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me the headphones were wearing the radiowaves that this show is being brought with
some cebration. Yeah, the lightof the sun, the surface of Mars
and beyond are made of all electromagneticenergy. So therefore everything is interconnected.
And and you know, the greatspiritual teachers have been saying this for thousands
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of years. We're all brothers andsisters, were all cells in the body
of God. We are all interconnected, and now we know from quantum physics,
from the energy standpoint, we areI'm gonna really take a stretch here.
Then you remember what Carl Cherry tothe gods, Carl Eric von dannikin
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thank You. Okay, they're talkingabout aliens coming here and actually being worshiped
as gods. Yes, back then, is that all part of this?
Well, it could be. Itcould be. I mean, think about
it. If all of a suddenyou landed somewhere and the people there were
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living in the Stone Age or let'ssay the Bronze Age, and there's aliens
walking around with led lights and theability to fly, certainly they would take
on godlike proportions. And I rememberyears ago being in the Amazon and I
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was on a research vessel and we'reon the Urabamba River, which is one
of the tributaries of the Peruvian Amazon, and we visited several villages and these
were as primitive as it gets.I mean, grass huts, no running
water, no electricity, I mean, people were dirt poor, very And
so we get off the research vessel. We're wearing air rebox and nikes and
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our clothes, and they're looking atus and they're all staring at our feet
because they didn't have shoes. AndI remember somebody had one of those.
It's kind of now it's antiquated,but at the time it was an SX
seventy land camera and you'd take apicture and it would such, you know,
put out the picture, and thenthe picture would start to develop before
your very eyes. Well, letme tell you, we're taking pictures of
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the people and then we're holding themup and letting them develop, and they're
like, you know, I mean. And so to answer your question,
you know, if they weren't,you know, accustomed to the fact that
people would happen by Let's say wewere the only vessel that ever visited there,
what would those people think we were? They would they would think that
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we were gods, and the godsare speaking to me. Now for our
next break. Dang it, itgoes so fast, so folks, stay
with us. We've got one moresession left, so please stay with us
with my guest Mark Anthony, beright back and welcome back to Paranormal Steak
Out. My guest night, MarkAnthony JD. Psychic Explore. You know,
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Mark, we've scratched the surface andso many very very deep topics.
I feel like we've done none ofthem to justice they deserve, so we're
gonna probably have to do this againif I can talk into coming back,
because there's some areas I really wantto delve into. What I do want
to mention everybody, though, doremember to check us out at Paranormal steakout
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Mark, how can folks get aholdof you? And what new was
going on with you right now?What would you like to tell the folks
about? Well? I would liketo invite everyone to visit my website which
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is Afterlife Frequency dot com, whichis just like my latest book, The
Afterlife Frequency, and you can findout about reading, booking or reading with
me. I also invite you tosign up for my newsletter so you can
discover what's coming up. I knowthat Larry and I will be having I'll
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be coming to one of your eventson October fourteenth and for yeah, I'm
looking forward to that. And what'scool is the night before, on the
evening of October Friday, October thirteenth, I'm going to be on Coast to
coast am talking about the myths andlegends behind Friday the thirteenth and why you
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know why it's so you know wherethe superstition come from it. But in
October, I also have a coupleof light circle events. And light circles
are online events limited to six peopleand everyone is guaranteed a reading once again.
You can find out about all ofthat by visiting my website Afterlife frequency
dot com sign up for the newsletter. You can also find out on my
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calendar events about subscribing to Best HolisticLife magazine. I'm a VIP executive contributor.
I write stories every month and thismonth I think you'll like and you
definitely want to read the October articlebecause it's called the Great ghost Hunt at
the Stanley Hotel. And yeah,and that's a real that's a really I
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was a really amazing experience in paranormalinvestigation. So afterlife Frequency dot Com and
I also do a live stream showevery Thursday night, The Psychic and the
doc orre My co host artor PatPiscillian. I we take calls from listeners
and I bring forth messages and shehelps people understand them. But Larry,
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let me tell you something, Idefinitely would be honored to come back to
talk about more things because just talkingto you on the show and on the
breaks, I mean, we haveno limit to the things we could talk
about. And there's a like Isaid, I want to do some of
these topics a little bit more justicethan we've been able to do tonight.
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So I want to talk about somethingnow. The collective conscious is a theory
is a topic that I find infinitelyfascinating you were discussing about, And I
love your analogy. We here onthis plane or the AM FM radio and
those that have passed before us oron the FM, and sometimes they come
together in your work in your studies. What really happens? What have you
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found that really happens after we pass? And how is it the folks on
the other side are able to communicatewith us and once again a very wow.
Yeah, that's that's a two hourdiscussion just there. But you combine
that with the the wormhole theory dimensions, it makes one wonder where's where are
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we going? What? What?What's happening after we die? I'll let
you take it from there. Yeah, and well, that's basically the reason
that I wrote the Afterlife Frequency isto explain explain what you just asked.
And in the Afterlife Frequency, Iintroduced the concept of the electro magnetic soul
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the e MS all right, andbefore I was talking about everything on the
subatomic level is made of quantum electromagneticenergy. We know that from the laws
of physics, energies neither created itor destroyed, only transferred from one form
to another. We know that fromevery great spiritual teacher that the soul pre
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exists, the body comes into thebody, moves on after the body dies.
And so I developed the term theelectromagnetic soul to describe what we really
are, which is pure consciousness.That's the soul of spirit, which is
eternal electromagnetic energy. So to answeryour question about what happens when we die,
think of your brain as a computerhard drive. It did not create
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the soul. It merely hosts it. So think of that soul as like
an energetic drop of water, andwhen we physically die, that drop of
water plunges into this vast, eternalsea of souls, and that is the
collective consciousness. So you take youwith you when you die. Okay.
The body is simply you know.It's like you know, yeah, when
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your car stop working, you're notthe car. You get out of it
and you move on, all right, So we leave that body behind.
And the fascinating thing about the EMSis, yes, you're an individual,
but now you're energetically linked to othersouls, linked to other souls, linked
to other souls, which is whyduring readings, when a spirit comes forward,
they can see past, present,and future because part of Einstein's theory
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of relativity is that on the quantumelectromagnetic level, time doesn't exist. That's
why they can see past, present, future. Also, this is how
a spirit will know things that farexceeded the scope of anything he or she
knew in this world because they haveaccess to this infinite database. It's where
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they get healing messages, scientific messages, and I've conveyed those and I work
with scientists at the University of Arizonawhere they're working with me bringing forth messages
that I don't even understand what theyare, but the scientists are like,
oh my god, that's the informationwe're looking for. And this is all
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dealing with the collective consciousness. Sothat is it in a nutshell. But
but the collective consciousness you can callthis. I think it's part of what
we can call God, you know. I mean, having been raised Athlican
and a Christian faith, you know, Italian, so I tend to think
of God and the Michelangelo painting senseof, you know, the wise guy
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with the white beard and the angelsand everyone's drinking really great red wine and
all this, and that's nice forus to have a point of reference to
understand. But when we're interfacing withthe collective consciousness, it is so much
greater than any artistic depiction or anybook or any scripture. And I'm not
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downplaying or insulting those I'm just sayingthat what lie is beyond is beyond our
ability to even begin to grasp it. But what I do know is it's
it's wonderful. Well, I thinkIt can be argued too that throughout history
man has picked an I don't wantthe best word encompass as an icon with
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which to credit all of this too. So that's that's where the the the
great, the great history folks inhistory comes. So but it's all just
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I hed trouble articulating that, but
that that's exactly right. So it'sman's inability to grasp the greatness of what
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the collective consciousness is, so theyhave to actually tag it with something that
makes sense to them. Well,we as humans do because while the brain
didn't create consciousness, the soul iscontained within it, and the brain is
is our arbiter between the material worldand who and what we are. But
(50:02):
the brain is only designed for finiteperception because everything that we know has a
beginning, of middle, and anend. We're born, we growled,
we die, you know, treeseventually fall, and you know buildings crumble,
so you know, everything we haveis finite. And when you're working
with the spiritual, we're dealing withbeings that are infinite, and so we
(50:24):
have to create an interphase. Becauseyou and I we're bright guys, but
even the smartest people on the planet, cannot can't comprehend infinity. So it's
easier to think of God and theperson of Jesus or Shiva or whatever your
cultural reference is than this quantum electromagnetic field with no beginning, no end,
(50:49):
and that is just expanding into eternity. It's like, you know,
what was that seventies eighties move?Too much input? Too much input?
You know. I had at myone tipe put this to me that when
you die, your soul goes toheaven. I collective conscious, but your
spirit is what we see here energystaying behind. Could that be what we
(51:14):
see sometimes? Also? Well,I believe that there's residual energy, echoes
and also our ems, our electromagneticsouls, a multidimensional being. So I
would not discount what your friends said, because our soul even now is having
also an infinite experience, because weare energetically connected to the collective consciousness.
(51:38):
It's like why the other night alson, Rob and I start talking about Calvin
Parker, who then we find outdies the next day, and I did
not know that at the time ofthe show. Now coincidence or synchronicity,
synchronicity, I do not believe thereare any coincidences I've come, I've come
to learn that one also precisely,so I think I think it is all
(52:01):
connected. We've got a couple ofminutes left, and I don't want to
interrupt this last comment from you,because I would really like to know what
if you have a message for myfolks out there listening, or anybody that
catches any of your broadcasts, whatmessage would you like to share? It
(52:22):
was made very clear to me.You know, people ask me how did
you transition from law to being afull time medium. And about a month
after my mother passed, I wasdriving back from court and I just knew
(52:43):
I needed to pull over, andsuddenly there was this flash of light in
the car, and I looked atthe passenger side, at a passenger seat,
and I saw my mother's silhouette inthe silver white light, and her
voice filled my head and she said, Mark, You've been given the gift
of mediumships so that you would notbe crushed by grief, but now you
(53:04):
must help those who are suffering withtheirs. Now I'm trying to process that,
and then I get another message,and this is the message that I
want to share with the world.She said, your life's mission is to
help people understand that God exists,that the afterlife, heaven, nirvana,
whatever you want to call it,exists, that your souls are immortal,
(53:28):
living beings, that humans can communicatewith souls, and that we will all
be reunited when it is your appointedtime to leave the material world in the
light that you call God. AndI was soaking wet with sweat, and
all I could say, Larry,was Okay. It was one of the
(53:52):
most, if not the most profound, spiritual experience of my life. And
that's the passage that I have,and a deep one. And with that,
my dear friend, we're going tohave to, unfortunately call it a
night, but we're going to haveyou back on because we've got so many
more things to discuss. Looking forwardto seeing you in October. And folks,
(54:13):
thank you for joining us tonight onparanor will stake out. Please take
care of yourselves, love your family, hug your kids, take care of
yourselves, and we'll see you onthe other side. Have a good night.
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