January 23, 2024 • 53 mins
Mark Nesbitt was a National Park Service Ranger/Historian for five years at Gettysburg before starting his research and writing company. Living in Gettysburg has given him a unique “insider” perspective from which to write his popular Ghosts of Gettysburg series. He has authored over twenty books spanning several genres, including the paranormal, history, and true crime.
Mr. Nesbitt has been seen on The History Channel, A&E, The Discovery Channel, The Travel Channel, Unsolved Mysteries, regional television shows, and heard on Coast to Coast AM, and regional radio. In 1994, he created the commercially successful Ghosts of Gettysburg Candlelight Walking Tours
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As a former career law enforcement officerand law enforcement educator, Larry focuses on
the use of tried and true lawenforcement investigative techniques in conducting paranormal investigations.
Despite his experience and training, Larryalso and keeps an open mind to discussions
on topics that deal with evidence thatare not quite as physical in nature.
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Paranormal Stakeout guests are professionals in thefield of the paranormal and parapsychology, conducting
the investigations and research needed to furtherthe cause of paranormal study. Larry advocates
an agenda of standardization of structure andtraining in the field of paranormal investigation and
research for the purpose of one daybeing able to produce the evidence needed to
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convince a jury of the existence ofthe paranormal. Whether it is ghosts,
UFOs, unsolved mysteries, hauntings,or cryptids, no topic is beyond the
investigative reach of Larry Lawson and theParanormal Stakeout Radio TV show. Tea now
Here is the host of the ParanormalSteakhout radio TV show. Larry Lawson,
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Hello everyone, and welcome back toParanormal steak Out. I'm your host,
Larry Lawson, coming to you fromthe headquarters of the Florida Bureau of Paranormal
Investigation and Indian River Huntings in beautifulBureau Beach, Florida, where it's It
may be winter time everywhere else,but at least we can still wear shorts
and no jackets here most of thetime. I know our friends up north
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always get mad at me for that, but I got to get that dig
in there. But anyway, folks, welcome back to the show. Got
a great show for you tonight.I have tonight the pre eminent expert on
the paranormal Gettysburg, the Dean ofGhats. I call him Mark Nesbitt.
Mark was a National Park Service rangerand historian for many many years at Gettysburg,
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and he started researching, searching,and writing about the ghosts of Gettysburg.
He had a unique inside view asto what it was like on the
battlefields. He spent a lot oftime teaching folks about the battle and the
history behind it. He went onto write his popular Ghost of Gettysburg series.
He's authored over twenty books spanning severaldinners, including the paranormal history and
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true crime. He's been seen onthe History Channel, A and E,
the Discovery Channel, the Travel Channel, Unsolved Mysteries, and of course Coast
to Coast. Over the years,he's also created a very successful Ghosts of
Gettysburg candlelight walking tours. So tonightI'd like to welcome the dean of Ghosts
of Gettysburg, mister Mark Nesbitt Mark, Welcome to the show. Hi,
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Laric, Thank you. That's reallygood to have you back on the show
and chatting to you about one ofmy personal favorite places in the whole world,
history wise, and that's Gettysburg,a place of great sadness but of
great history also, so welcome.Many of the folks that are watching tonight.
I'm sure aware of you. They'veread your books, maybe have taken
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your tours. But for those thatmay be unto a rock somewhere or have
been sleeping for the last twenty yearsthat don't know you, tell us a
little bit about yourself and your background. Okay, Well, as far as
Gettysburg's concerned, it's been part ofmy life from the time I was about
eight years old. My parents tookme to Gettysburg when I was a very
young man, young child, andwe you know, I had weird feelings
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there even back then. It wasa place that really struck me as kind
of unusual. And then I finallyI got a chance to work there for
the Park Service when I was justbefore this senior year in college and lucked
out. I would have done anything, you know, to live to be
in Gettysburg for a while, andit turned out that the National Park Service
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was looking for rangers that particular summer, and so I got an opportunity to
work there that first summer, learnedthe ropes and then eventually stayed on with
them for a number of years,got into the law enforcement end of it
for a little while, and thenkind of left and decided I wanted to
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be a freelance writer. I wantedto be a writer. Left a real
good job to be a freelance writer, which is in the long run,
it was fine, but looking back, the first couple of years after that,
it was pretty stupid. But itall worked out fine. I had
some contracts with the National Parks Serviceand then ended up doing some research for
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historical artists that were doing Civil Warthemes and then started writing my own,
my own books after that that havebeen very, very very successful. Now,
while you were a ranger, youalso became a licensed battlefield guide.
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Aren't all rangers experts in taking folksinterpretive rangers anyway, being you know,
taking folks on the battlefield or isthat a special rank or whatever. Well,
the licensed battlefield guide we were selfemployed, and so they the only
connection with the National Park Service isat the Park Service license licenses the guides.
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So I had to take a specialtest as they do now and and
demonstrate that I could take someone ona tour. But I kind of I
was. It was a little biteasier for me because I'd already done that
for uh several years, six orseven years, giving talks to thousands of
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visitors tourists at the various heights.So I had the history down pretty well
and the ability to present the history. When you're talking in front of thirty
or forty people four times a dayand you do it for several years,
you immediately know when you've struck aresponsive cord and when you've you've fallen flat.
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So that's that's where I got myability to give tours and things like
that. But I was I wasa licensed battlefield guide for really just a
year before I went into business formyself. Gotcha, gotcha? How big
is the park? I mean,just to give folks an idea of the
breadth of this, I forgot.I forgot how many acres it is.
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But from the peace Light to thea little round top is about six miles,
and from side to side east towest it's about two or three miles.
If you if you include some ofthe outlying battle area is you're talking,
you're talking dozens of miles out ofGettysburg. That had they they they
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fought in Carlisle, which is thirtymiles north of of and then on a
retreat they fought all through the mountainsand on the way back to Williamsport,
Maryland, and when the Confederates finallycrossed the river there. So it was
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people think it just happened on thepark, Okay, that the battle and
the fighting just took place on thepark, But it was it was vast
they In fact, I was justreading the other day about some some uh,
pretty pretty good earthworks that are stillvisible in Bedford, Pennsylvania. That's
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an hour and a half from Gettysburgdriving, you know. So it was
it was a huge battle and uhin a huge campaign, and people think
that the only place that could possiblybe haunted by the soldiers that died or
were wounded in the battle is onthe park. So that's where they want
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to do their their paranormal investigations.And you can't because of the law.
But there are plenty of other placesto go that you can you can do
investigations. Well, that's that's interestingyou bring that up. You cannot conduct
a private paranormal investigation anywhere within theactual park and that's that's federal law.
Or well, no, it's actuallyit's kind of up to the individual superintendent.
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But they have closed the park fromdusk till dawn. It used to
be ten o'clock that you could standin the battlefield until or on the on
the park until, but they've closedit now from dusk till dawn to sun
set to sunrise. And but youknow, you can do if you're discrete,
If you're discrete, you can doa paranormal investigation on the battlefield on
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the park really anytime, as longas you don't you know, have fifty
fifty people in your group or you'recharging. You can't charge money because that's
a commercial enterprise and that's you needa special permit for that. So the
but people get confused about the parkand the battlefield because the town was battlefield
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was the college campus was a battlefield. The areas that I found were kind
of active paranormally were out by theold Almshouse, which is out on Business
fifteen, in the back area ofa parking lot that used to be a
radio shack. So you know,the hauntings are all all over Gettysburg and
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the environs, not just the parkitself. Well, I was at the
covered Bridge one time and had anotherone. Quite an experience, quite an
experience there. Would love to tellyou about some time. I think you
get a kick out of it there. You've written all these books and uh
yeah, every like I said,most folks that are aware of the hauntings
and Gettysburg are aware of your books. How did you come to write those
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books? What? H what wasthe impetus to get that down? Well,
as I said, after I leftthe Park Service, I was I
was doing some freelance writing and therewas a local publisher actually, and he
had done a lot of books onon Gettysburg, in particular on bullets and
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armaments, and uh, and andstories. And it started off that I
wanted to actually do kind of arevamp of the human interest stories and ghosts
of Gettysburg was only going to bea chapter now or a segment a quarter
of the book. And someone elsecame out and wrote a book on the
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human interest stories of Getty's work,so I kind of shelved the idea.
Then I approached this publisher and Isaid, would you be interested years later,
would you be interested in doing abook on the ghost stories of Gettysburg?
And he said, sure, goahead and write them up. We'll
see what it sounds like. Andso I collected all the stories together and
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wrote them up, stories that Ihad heard for ten or twelve years from
the time I was a park rangerthere, and because we would get stories
from visitors who were out on thebattlefield from older park rangers, some of
the stories in the first book i'dhave to call legends because I really don't
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have a documentation from whom they came. But it's and it took about maybe
ten twelve years to collect all thosestories and I put them together. It
took a year to write the book. I did it in kind of a
unique fashion, I wrote the historyof the site because I knew it,
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and then I wrote the ghost stories. And the interesting part is there always
seems to be some kind of aconnection, you know, a ghost story
if you don't have the history behindthe site. It's kind of like I
like to like in it too.You know, you're walking down the street
on the dark night and somebody jumpsout of the bushes and they go boo,
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and you're you're scared for you know, ten seconds until you realize it's
your idiot brother in law, youknow. Making it so But if you
know the history of for example,Getty's what happened, uh, it gets
it really drives it home. Youunderstand that there these there could be a
connection. The history and the paranormal. I've just for years go hand in
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hand. You can't. You cannothave the goes without the history. Now,
these books that you developed over theyears later became tours and you started
taking people through tours of Gettysburg.How long have you been doing those?
Now? We're in our thirtieth season? Wow three zero Yeah, I got
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old fast. I can't believe it, but uh yeah, Actually the Burrow
came to me a fella from theborough came to me. Well, and
before we do that, we're justabread. We take our first break,
and that's how these things go.We get talked on. We got to
take those breaks. But we're goingto get back to the tours in just
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a few minutes, folks, Markness, but don't leave us. Got
some great stories. We'll be backright after these messages. And we are
back with my guests tonight, MarkNesbitt. Now, Mark, we are
about ready to get into the You'refairly well known, I would say,
famous tours up there in Gettysburg.You were get to tell us how the
town came to you and tell usabout that. Well. Walt Powell was
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the borough historian at the time,and I served with him on some boards
of directors of historic places and sitesand things, and he had he they
were having a little bit of aproblem in Gettysburg because they had just redone
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over the years the downtown area aroundthe center square town and buildings were refurbished
and trees were planted and everything.But they seemed to have trouble getting people
up there because everybody centered on thetourist area, which is down on Steinwere
Avenue closer to the pick as Chargearea, and so he said, do
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you think he could develop a tourusing your books of the downtown area and
maybe it'll help draw some people tothe downtown and we can show him that.
So I just sure I can giveit a try, because I had
developed tours for the park Service before. So I put together a tour.
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And it's kind of interesting because goinginto it and as a business was kind
of interesting because all of a suddenI had to I spent three thousand dollars
on a on on brochures. Icontracted with a teacher who had the summer
off and said, it's three thousanddollars too much or not enough to get
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you to sell tickets, And shesaid, I'm in for three grand,
so already, already, I'm intoit for six thousand. I remember the
first night that the tours went offand I was standing there in the Center
Square and I was doing a headcount and we were charging six dollars a
tour back in those days, andI counted ten people. I'm going,
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Mark, what in the world didyou do? Now? You know,
I gotta I gotta come up.Yeah, And but it gradually we were
lucky because we were the first ones, and uh, everybody was interested in
it. All the local TV stationscame uh and did uh stories on it,
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and so and radio stations and everything. So I was very lucky because
we had great publicity for it.And over the years now it's it's grown
and you know, well, nota whole lot of business mom my pop
businesses stay open for thirty years.So and you started this before a lot
of the ghost investigation ghost hunting,if you'll excuse the term, was in
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vogue. So that is correct.So, uh, what do you how
do you keep things fresh with thesetours? Well, we I'm actually on
Ghosts of Gettysburg nine now, sothe stories keep coming in and so we
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can change those stories anytime we wantbecause it's not recorded. It's we have
live guides. And the guides alsolends something to it as well, because
we promise an hour and fifteen minutesor an hour and a half or an
hour and forty five minutes per tour, depending on what tour you take,
and the guides can choose, sowhatever stories they want, I give them
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more stories than they can use onone tour. So if you take one
of our tours and you have saySally for a guide. If you come
in UH next year and get Sandyfor the guide, you may get a
whole different tour. Some of thestories, some of the classics will be
the same classic stories, but youwill probably get a different tour depending on
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the guide because they all have theirfavorite stories and they'll tell them in a
different take on things. Yeah,I get that, So let's as these
tours go on. I do toursmyself, so I get how this works.
As far as the guests have,do you guess often experience things?
And what do they what's the mostcommon experience that your guests have. Guests
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do experience things, and it it'snot always visual. In fact, it
rarely is, because if you ifyou look at my books and do a
little survey of them, you findout that only about ten percent of all
the stories in my books are visuals. The most common experience is auditory.
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You'll hear something at Gettysburg before you'llsee it, and they report hearing UH
footsteps following the tour, and they'llturn around and nobody they're the last ones
on the street, and they'll they'vealso heard cheering, large bodies of men
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cheering they'll hear cannons firing, therattle of musketry, they'll hear that they
have heard that. The other thingthat happens because all the the senses are
involved when you're having an experience,a paranormal experience is the is olfactory.
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People will smell things on our tours. For example, they'll smell they come
back and they say, I smellrotten eggs on the and there's no reason
for it. And I said,well, not not a normal reason,
but there may be a paranormal reason. Of course, that's sulfur, and
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sulfur was one of the main componentsof black powder, which was the main
propellant in those days for the weaponsthat they used. They'll smell old fashioned
perfume, said, my grandmother usedto wear their perfume. And what they're
probably smelling is a remnant of thewomen in Gettysburg who would go out right
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after the battle and try and dotheir shopping, and the wind would change
and the smell of decomposition would rollthrough the town and they they so they'd
soak their handkerchiefs in this lilac wateror rose water and just put it up
to their nose. When this wouldhappen, and because you can't run away
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from that that smell, it's prettypervasive. So those are some of the
things that our people have experienced.And photographs as well. Photographs I'm always
a little leery about because a lotof them are in windows. Windows have
reflections, and so, yeah,exactly, and so you have to be
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a little careful about some of thatstuff. But Saxbridge, as you mentioned,
is not on our tour, butit's a very active place and there
aren't any windows out there to getany reflections from. Yeah, I've got
a very significant, significant story onthat bridge where a large chain fell as
we were sitting inside of it,and I got I snapped a picture just
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as it happened, and everybody's lookingat it like what was that? But
there was no chain. There wasno chain that fell, and a couple
of other things that I want tobut yeah, Saxbridge, and that's an
interesting story because can you tell uswhat happened there? That was a significant
event, right, Saxbridge was actuallyused. That is virtually the original bridge,
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probably eighty percent of it is original, and it was used by both
Union and Confederates to get to thebattlefield and eventually ended up in the rear
of the Confederate line, and sothat whole area became a vast hospital for
the Confederates. And whenever you havea hospital, you have of course amputations,
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You have a lot of a lotof pain, a lot of emotion.
Am I going to make it home? You know, you're thinking about
your your wife or your kids.And then whenever you have a hospital,
you also have death. And sothere are a lot of burials. There
were a lot of burials out there, and we know that when the Confederate
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army left, lay left in ahurry, and and some of the burials
were not taken care of. Andso if there are any there are several
places out at Gettysburg that they're probablystill some Confederates buried there because they're a
bunch missing. Greg Coco, whowrote a book on that, estimated that
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there were anywhere from eight hundred totwelve hundred Confederates that were unaccounted for,
which means they could still be buriedout on the battlefield here Lord, And
if memory serves, Gettysburg was thelargest loss of American life of any battle,
any battle that we've had, becauseboth sides were Americans. Correct.
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Fifty one thousand casualties is what weused to say back in the day when
I worked for the National Park Service, which is Yankee Stadium holds fifty two
thousand fans, So anytime it's onTV, you just look around at that
stadium and that's how many people werein Gettysburg wound, just the wounded and
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dead after the battle. Most significantspot I've got two questions here, the
most significant spot for activity on yourtours and then the most significant spot that
you personally know of paranormal activity onour tours. You know, there's a
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lot that goes on. We havea tour that goes to the Carlisle Street
and Getty's were college campus, andthere's a lot that goes on on that
campus. Why, I don't know. I think it's because of all the
energy that's up there. We allknow what a college campus is like,
you know, especially on a Saturdaynight after a football game, and everything
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is a lot of energy. Andmy theory is that the you know,
the ghosts need energy from somewhere becausethey don't eat. You know, we
get our energy from a breakfast andlunch and dinner. They don't. They
can't do that, so I thinkthey maybe borrow it from us or from
for example, moot running water,moving water like Sacksbridge, the water that
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goes underneath that. You know,there's a lot of energy at what thirteen
hundred pounds a square a cubic yardof water, there's a lot of energy
there. And so I would saythe Gettysborre College campus is probably is probably
pretty active. And as far asthe battlefield is concerned, people always ask
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me where's the most haunted place onthe battlefield and I tell them there It
changes, but there are two thatwe know of for sure. One would
be Devil's Den and the other wouldbe right next to it, the Triangular
Field. I've gotten more stories fromthat area and they just just keep coming
in. So yeah, and peopledon't realize there's still Gettysburg College is still
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a very active, very vibrant university. There still this is a lot.
This is a lively town. Itisn't just stuck in history. It keeps
growing. Oh yeah, yeah itdoes. We have you know, and
there are always trying to do thingsfor the visitors, for the tourists in
town, Like we had a hugeChristmas week that went on and obviously the
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fourth of July is right on theanniversary of the battle. July one,
second and third, eighteen sixty threewas about fourth of July weekend, So
there's a lot of activity throughout theyear in Getty's work, not just in
the summertime. One of my favoritestories, I think it wasn't actually one
of the college dorms where somebody tookan elevator downstairs and they opened it in
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there was a battlefield hospital in therewas that? Is there any Is that
at pretty true story? I guess, right, well, yeah, that's
when one of my books, inmy first book, and then it turns
out that I knew, well Iknew the people that happened to and they
and I researched it, so Idid. Now we got to take a
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break, but that's okay. Wekeep people hanging that way to Stay with
Us books. We're going to hearabout the battlefield hospital that appeared inside the
college building. So Stayed with Uswill be back right after these messages,
and we are back with my gueststonight, Mark Nesbend. We were just
about ready to get into one ofthe more interesting stories that I'm aware of
out of Gettysburg, and it wasa building where some folks took an elevator
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they went to the I'm going tosay the basement, as memory serves,
and the door is open, andthey're in the middle of a Civil War
operating room. So why don't youtake that off the top, you say,
you know the folks that Yeah,the place was Pennsylvania Hall, and
it was it's called Old Dorm andit was used as a dormitory at Gettysborg
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College. It was called Pennsylvania Collegeat the time of the battle. That
was one of the three main buildingson the college campus, being one of
the largest buildings that was confiscated bythe surgeons as soon as they got into
town because they knew or that theywere going to need a great big area
to operate on people. And sureenough it filled up with wounded soldiers.
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Mostly the lower floors were the operatingroom's upper floors were for recovery, and
so it was a pretty horrific sitein that area. So fast forward down
in nineteen eighties it's now and wasthen the administration building for Getty's Were College,
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and a couple of my friends wereworking late at night at the upstairs
on the fourth floor getting some thingstaken care of, and they ended up
staying too late, and they said, okay, let's go, it's time
to leave. So eleven o'clock theygot in the elevator. Elevator descended and
just as you said, the doorswent past the first floor where the exits
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are, went into the basement.Doors opened to a horrible site of a
of a hospital scene with wounded soldiersall around the corners, a surgeon in
the middle with a saw, bloodysaw ready to operate on some poor guy
on this makeshift operating table. Well, they couldn't get the elevator to work.
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Of course, it wouldn't close,the doors wouldn't close. Finally they
closed, and they ended up goingback up to the first floor. Went
immediately over to security to report this. Now, the security guard became a
friend of mine later on, andI interviewed him about it, and he
said, yes, they were scaredto death, and we went right over
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there. It was a minute betweenthe time they got to me and we
got over there, and they wentdown in the elevator again. The doors
opened and it was pristine. Itwas all whitewashed, because that's the way
it was before they had their computerparts in the paper and stuff and everything
down there. So there's no explanationfor that. But the strange part is
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a number of years later stranger thanthat. Well, it's actually it's kind
of interesting because I always looked forthis. I have a chapter called deja
Vu in my last book, whatHappened. What I realized is after twenty
some years, things are happening againin the same site, same venue,
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a whole different set of people,same events. Okay, so I'm starting
to collect those, and this wasone of them. I was doing an
autographing at Getty's Were College, anda couple came up to me and they
said, we know that woman thatthat happened to. I said, and
I named the two. They saidno, I said, what's going on?
Do you have another name? Andthey gave me another name. The
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circumstances were a little different. Shewas actually working for a a auditing firm
out of Lancaster. They came toaudit Gettys Were College. She was up
on the top floor. They asked, They asked her, would you please
go down to the cars and getsome paperwork? She got her in the
elevator and went down doors open,and she had exactly the same experience.
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I called her up, I interviewedher, and she said, and she
just told me the story of thesame description that I got from the security
officer. So that's two, actuallythree individuals that had exactly the same experience
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in that building, and I'm trackingdown a fourth. Yeah. But the
reason I'm interested in this deja vouthing, in other words, things that
happen again, is because you know, you're a you're a paranormal researcher.
You know you can't It's very difficultto do a scientific study of these because
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one of the things the scientific methodrequires is for you to experiment and recreate
the experiment so that it can bedone over and over and over again.
Virtually impossible. But what we cando is we can with good record,
you know, recurring techniques, wecan we can get these events that are
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happying place over and over again andrecord and so now all of a sudden,
you do have an experiment that's that'sthat's been done over and over and
over again, but we're just recordingit and and it's happened all over all
the time in the battlefield. Ifyou study them long enough. Well,
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this is good. This kind ofcauses me to gut off my track with
it because I have some other questionsto go along with this, and let
me get to that in our fourthsession. But this makes me want to
kind of head down a different road. And I'm gonna it's a rhetorical question,
But Mark, do you believe thatghosts exist? I'm assuming at this
point yes, Well you know Ireally didn't, you know. I'm let
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me put it this way. I'ma skeptic, Okay, I'm trying to
remain a skeptic as much as Ipossibly can, uh being being objective.
You know, writers are supposed tobe objective. That's what I try and
do. That's however, I've I'verun into three or four different scientific theories
and scientific proofs that it's possible forghosts to exist. And some of it
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goes to directly to quantum. Thereare things in quantum theory of physics.
But one of the things, forexample, one of the things is a
researcher in the old Polish research inthe Soviet Union, back when they could
do tests like this, did testson being people, and he realized that
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under death, when you're dying,the body at the point of day gives
off photons, a huge burst oflate energy that's a thousand times greater than
what we give off we're when we'realive. He called it a death shout
that the body is off. Andof course that kind of goes along with
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what's known as the stone recorder theory, which says that whatever the you know,
if there's some sort of quartz around, then there's a very good possibility
that electromagnetism can be captured in that. You see where I'm going with this.
You got thousands of men dying inone area, You have Getty's word
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full of granite, which is fullof quartz, and you may have the
reason why we get residual hauntings.In other words, like a recorder that
plays over and over and over again, the question is what is it that
sets it off? What releases Whatbutton do you push, you know,
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to like on your computer to getthat information back that's been recorded in the
courts around Gettysburg. So those arejust a couple of things that have convinced
me that there's something going on.Yeah, yeah, and you kind of
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hit the second part of my question. What do you think it is.
Your opinion correct me if I havethis wrong, is that it's more of
an energy that has been captured andis somehow released at certain times. But
if that's the case, what aboutfolks that have actually interacted supposedly with folks
who thought were reenactors? Right?Well, first of all, yeah,
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well, first of all, everythinghas to be energy. Okay, matter
is energy, it's frozen energy ringto Einstein. So in order for it
to be in this world, ithas to be some kind of energy.
The interactive hauntings okay, where Iguess they're the scariest because you actually they're
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intelligent hauntings. They actually acknowledge you, the living, the dead acknowledge the
living. That's that can either talkto you or look at you, or
intelligent haunts. We call it,yeah, intelligence, Right? What causes
that? That? Might be somethinga little more on the quantum side.
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I think that there are also paralleluniverses possibility. There's a there's a great
physicist uh at Harvard Harvard, LisaRandall is her name, and she has
this theory about a parallel worlds andthey're actually like parallel things that that are
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living right next to each other thatare existing right next to each other.
She calls them brains b R An e S. Brains like membranes.
I'm thinking that maybe they're kind oflike like like rubber and malleable, and
every once in a while they cross, and when they cross, that's when
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you get you can see into theother one. Okay, sometimes we'll call
it a warp where that where itseems like the time rips open and then
it closes. It doesn't last verylong, but that would be a physics
explanation for why we have intelligence hauntings. But that would cause for example,
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and I don't remember the details ofthis story, was where a guest at
the park saw an individual in ain a Union uniform I believe, and
they actually talked and they interacted andthen she turned around and he was gone.
Through the that theory, I cometo the conclusion that at least one
side knows they're passing back and forth, and therefore they they're they're easy,
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they're easily able to communicate and notbe shocked when they see somebody in another
dimension. Does that make sense?Yes, it does. Well, you
know, once again that begs thequestion. You know, just like we
can occasionally see them. Can theysee us? And apparently they can,
because they do react to us,to our presence there. And speaking of
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that story and speaking to Javu,I got a I did get a second
witness to that fellow. Gave thesame description. Never read my story.
Gave the same description to him,and he looked at her. And we
think he was from the First Texasokay, because Texas was the unit that
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took over Devil's Den, because hestood there. When she looked up,
she said, this ragged guy wasstanding in front of me. He looked
at me, and he pointed atmy sweatshirt and he said First Texas and
it looked down and she had hadworn that burnt orange Texas football shirt.
And she looked down and she lookedup and he was gone. But he
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spoke to her, and so thatwas that was a remark. That's too
from that that soldier if it's thesame soldier, and the description was the
same. And I kind of almostfeel the hair standing up now. And
the big thing mark is I'm acop, you were a cop. You
know, we look for hard evidence. Yet these things keep happening, and
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there's got to be a reason forit, and that's I know one of
the reasons why you you look atthis, and certainly one of the reasons
why I investigate this. There's somethinghappening. We just don't know what it
is. But we got to takeour last break here. So when we
get back, I want to talkto you a little bit about your favorite
spots, the spots that you findthe most active and your most harrowing experience.
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So spokes, stay with us.We'll be background after these messages with
more with More with Mark Nesbitt,and we are back with Mark Nesbitt.
Fascinating stories and as always, wenever seem to have enough time to cover
this, but I do want tomention folks, if you want to learn
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all the great shows also on thenet. Mark what's in the future for
you? Any books? New bookscoming out? Yeah, ay, I'm
getting ready to get Ghosts of Gettysburgnine out probably the spring. Just finishing
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that up. And we have somespecial events that we do on special weekends
with the Ghosts of Gettysburg tours,we have what we call paranormal Weekends.
We're getting together with a Balladery inwhich is a wonderful bed and breakfast and
Gettysburg, and we're going to doprobably three or four paranormal investigations at sites
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that I mentioned in my book HiddenHaunted Hotspots of Gettysburg, places that I've
never actually done any other books on, some places that not too many people
get to go to. One ofthem is at the Balladerie in Apparently there
are some Confederate soldiers that were buriedunder what is now the tennis courts out
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there, and we're going to usingvarious methods to try and find out if
they really really are trying ghosts.Playing a little bit with your audio here,
my friend got you cut off alittle bit there, if you could
repeat that. The ghosts kind ofgot into our system there. That happens.
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It happens a lot of these.Yeah, it's the Uh, it's
a We're doing a paranormal weekend atthe Balladeri Inn and we're going to be
doing it trying to find some sitesthat are in my book Hidden Haunted Hot
Spots of Gettysburg. That's the mostrecent book that I've come out with,
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So it should be interesting. Well, I look forward to they have to
take the team up there for avisit to Gettysburgers share a couple of years
that have been up there. It'sI got to ask you this question before
I started asking you about favorite spotsand whatnot. A little round top the
where the last the hook was,where the twentieth main Joshua Chamberlain. I
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know that history is kind of maybeexaggerated what happened there a tad bit,
but still a place of honor andprobably save the Union the Union flank the
way with what Joshua Chamberlain did anythingthere. Have you ever experienced anything on
a little round top. I've justgot a curiosity, other than when I
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was on patrol at night and thequote Willie's we all know what those are,
right when you're driving along and allof a sudden you want to stop
and get out of the car,stretch your legs, and all of a
sudden you say, no, maybenext time around the battlefield. Yeah,
I'll go the next time. Andbut no, that is a very in
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terms of activity, I don't recalla whole lot, although there should be
more because there are a lot ofpeople there to witness it. I mean,
it's one of the most popular placeson the battlefield. It has been
closed down for the last year andyear or year and a half because they're
redoing you know, as they liketo say in a park service, it
was just loved too much by theby the people. You know, they
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just went all, you know,walked all over it and so they had
to redoce some some pathways and stuff. But it should be open I guess
sometime this summer. Okay, great, Now you've mentioned, of course Devil's
Done and the triangular field as spotswhere many many things have occurred. But
what is Mark Nesbit's favorite spot?If you wanted to go find, you
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wanted to experience whatever that other sideis, whether it's residual, whether it's
intelligent, dimensions crossing, where wouldwhere would you go? Well, well,
actually you men named one of themas a triangular field. I personally
have had more experiences in the triangularfield everything. For getting my very first
EVP out there, I wrote abook called thirty five Days to Gettysburg.
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It was about a Confederate soldier anda Union soldier. I used their diaries
to set them up day by daythrough the entire Gettysburg campaign. But I
also got the Confederate soldiers roster ofdead from his company in the fifteenth Georgia
and went out there and was askingquestions using their names, and got somewhat
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military answers on my recorder when Iplayed it back. Also cameras going on
the blink constantly out there. Ihad three of my cameras go and when
people were interviewing me from radio stations, TV stations out there to TV station
ten fifteen thousand dollars cameras went onthe blink out there in the triangular field.
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So that's a very very active place, at least for me personally,
and I'm starting to find some othersout there as well. East Cavalry Battlefield,
three miles outside of town is kindof active out there, and it's
quiet. Not a lot of peopleknow about it. Of course they do
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now, but not a lot ofpeople know about it. And if you
can get out there, you canfind spots. One of the largest cavalry
battles on the North American continents foughtout there. Oh okay, Yeah,
the most harrowing experience you have everhad out there, or I should say
significant. I mean I can't Ican't see you getting you know, run
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dude or whatever. I see that. But the most significant experience you've had
on the field. Okay, thisis one that I probably should have run
away from, but I didn't becauseI was fascinated. I was called to
the Daniel Lady Farm by the caretakerout there one day and he said,
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Mark, if you are if youwant to see it, a paranormal experience
occurring before your very eyes, comeout here to the Lady Farm. Okay,
So I went out to the LadyFarm Daniel. Lady Farm was a
hospital at the time, like everyplace was in Gettysburg. And he said,
I'm not going to say anything,just going to take you to the
room. Yesterday. This was allcleaned up because we had people coming through
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here and we wanted to look nice. This was the room that was the
operating room out there. He openedthe door and I walked in and I
had a video camera going, andhe didn't say anything, but I looked
down on the floor and there onthe floor were streams of a rust colored
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liquid flowing. It seemed towards thedepression where the place was three or four
of these things. And I said, did you have a pipe break?
He is, nope, this justjust happened. It was clean yesterday.
It's like this today. He said, all right. I said, do
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you have a tissue? He saidyeah. So I'm taking pictures and I
dipped the tissue in this liquid,not knowing what it is, and I
was there for half an hour videotaping, photographing. Put a yard stick down
there so we could see how long. They weren't at least five feet long,
three or four of them. Isaid, I don't know what to
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do. He says, I don'twant to do either. I got to
go out in the fields. Igot work to do, but some I
got to figure out what I'm goingto do with this. I said,
okay, So I went back towhere we stay in Gettysburg. Two hours
later, I got a phone call, same caretaker. I said, what's
up. He says, it's gone. I said, what do you mean
it's gone? He said, itdisappeared. So jumped back in the van,
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went out there. I had myvideotape going and time stamped and everything,
and I went in and I looked, and sure enough it was.
It had disappeared. And he youhave a video of him getting down,
spotting down and rubbing his hand overthe spot. He said it was right
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here, right. I said yeah, I said what? And he looked
at his fingertips. They're covered withdust. I'm like, what in the
heck just happened here? And Carol, my wife, was with me,
and she said, I wonder ifthe samples are still intact. She ran
out to the van and she foundshe found him. She said, they're
still here now. The Gettysburg BattlefieldPreservation Organization Association. It's pretty well connected.
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So we sent those samples out toa forensics lab in Pennsylvania. Three
weeks later, the results came back. The liquid UH was blood. The
identified as blood, the species washuman. All that blood was human blood
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and it disappeared. Now, thestrange part about it is that missus Ladies
operating room, her living room therehas blood stains in it in the wood
from the battle. There's one handprintthere where a poor fellow was picking him
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pushing himself up, and the bloodhas was there for one hundred and sake,
still there one hundred and sixty sevensixty years, but that disappeared completely.
So in other words, there's noway he could have cleaned it up.
And you videot when he first calledyou a there, you documented it
on video document being there and thenyou documented it to gone. Yeah,
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that's that's significant. Now where isthis evidence today? Is it being preserves,
that being kept anywhere? Because Ithink I find that incredibly significant.
Well, the evidence, the videoevidence I have and and also photographs,
some of them are in my book. I think it's the last second from
last book. And the UH Ididn't give them all the evidence that I
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collected there. There were two tissuesand they got one and I kept the
other. So I have that inmy files. So wow, now that
that is a cop and evidence collectionpreservation. Wow, that's huge because how
can that occur? How can isit? Was there any scientific explanation to
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how if it would have been rustywater okay when I had him to come
up? Okay, maybe somewhere youknow, a pipe probe or something.
No, it was blood. Itwas human, you know. So,
and I have no explanation. Idon't know what happened there at time warp?
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Did I go through a time warpthere where you know it should have
been dry and then it No,because it disappeared and I have everything time
stamps, so I don't I don'tknow. Arr. Well, folks,
I'm here to tell you as acop, and I've been looking for evidence
my entire all the years I've beendoing paranormal investigations. This is significant.
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So has anybody done anything else withit? I mean, is there any
well? I record it, youknow, I put it in my book
and that's about the best account thatthat there is of it. Well,
so, well, I gotta andyou know what really stinks is we're out
of time, my friend, We'regonna have to do We're gonna have to
do this again. Uh I reallywe I'll be calling on you anyway.
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I apreciate you being with us Mark, Folks. Stay tuned. We're going
to be getting him back on theshow because we've got so much more to
talk about in the future. Thankyou so much for your time. Mark,
Thank you for being here, folks, Thank you for joining us.
I do want to mention March twenty, fifth of my book Haunted Indian River
County is going to be released.You can now pre ordered on Amazon,
So if you are interested in hearingabout the ghosts and here in Indian River
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County, go to Amazon look upHaunted Indian River County and you can pre
order now. So I'd appreciate that. But I appreciate everybody being here.
Thank you for listening. Great show, Take care, love the family,
hug those kids, and we'll seeyou on the other side. Have a
good night, folks,
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Hello everyone, and welcome back toParanormal steak Out. I'm your host,
Larry Lawson, coming to you fromthe headquarters of the Florida Bureau of Paranormal
Investigation and Indian River Huntings in beautifulBureau Beach, Florida, where it's It
may be winter time everywhere else,but at least we can still wear shorts
and no jackets here most of thetime. I know our friends up north
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always get mad at me for that, but I got to get that dig
in there. But anyway, folks, welcome back to the show. Got
a great show for you tonight.I have tonight the pre eminent expert on
the paranormal Gettysburg, the Dean ofGhats. I call him Mark Nesbitt.
Mark was a National Park Service rangerand historian for many many years at Gettysburg,
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and he started researching, searching,and writing about the ghosts of Gettysburg.
He had a unique inside view asto what it was like on the
battlefields. He spent a lot oftime teaching folks about the battle and the
history behind it. He went onto write his popular Ghost of Gettysburg series.
He's authored over twenty books spanning severaldinners, including the paranormal history and
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true crime. He's been seen onthe History Channel, A and E,
the Discovery Channel, the Travel Channel, Unsolved Mysteries, and of course Coast
to Coast. Over the years,he's also created a very successful Ghosts of
Gettysburg candlelight walking tours. So tonightI'd like to welcome the dean of Ghosts
of Gettysburg, mister Mark Nesbitt Mark, Welcome to the show. Hi,
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Laric, Thank you. That's reallygood to have you back on the show
and chatting to you about one ofmy personal favorite places in the whole world,
history wise, and that's Gettysburg,a place of great sadness but of
great history also, so welcome.Many of the folks that are watching tonight.
I'm sure aware of you. They'veread your books, maybe have taken
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your tours. But for those thatmay be unto a rock somewhere or have
been sleeping for the last twenty yearsthat don't know you, tell us a
little bit about yourself and your background. Okay, Well, as far as
Gettysburg's concerned, it's been part ofmy life from the time I was about
eight years old. My parents tookme to Gettysburg when I was a very
young man, young child, andwe you know, I had weird feelings
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there even back then. It wasa place that really struck me as kind
of unusual. And then I finallyI got a chance to work there for
the Park Service when I was justbefore this senior year in college and lucked
out. I would have done anything, you know, to live to be
in Gettysburg for a while, andit turned out that the National Park Service
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was looking for rangers that particular summer, and so I got an opportunity to
work there that first summer, learnedthe ropes and then eventually stayed on with
them for a number of years,got into the law enforcement end of it
for a little while, and thenkind of left and decided I wanted to
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be a freelance writer. I wantedto be a writer. Left a real
good job to be a freelance writer, which is in the long run,
it was fine, but looking back, the first couple of years after that,
it was pretty stupid. But itall worked out fine. I had
some contracts with the National Parks Serviceand then ended up doing some research for
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historical artists that were doing Civil Warthemes and then started writing my own,
my own books after that that havebeen very, very very successful. Now,
while you were a ranger, youalso became a licensed battlefield guide.
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Aren't all rangers experts in taking folksinterpretive rangers anyway, being you know,
taking folks on the battlefield or isthat a special rank or whatever. Well,
the licensed battlefield guide we were selfemployed, and so they the only
connection with the National Park Service isat the Park Service license licenses the guides.
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So I had to take a specialtest as they do now and and
demonstrate that I could take someone ona tour. But I kind of I
was. It was a little biteasier for me because I'd already done that
for uh several years, six orseven years, giving talks to thousands of
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visitors tourists at the various heights.So I had the history down pretty well
and the ability to present the history. When you're talking in front of thirty
or forty people four times a dayand you do it for several years,
you immediately know when you've struck aresponsive cord and when you've you've fallen flat.
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So that's that's where I got myability to give tours and things like
that. But I was I wasa licensed battlefield guide for really just a
year before I went into business formyself. Gotcha, gotcha? How big
is the park? I mean,just to give folks an idea of the
breadth of this, I forgot.I forgot how many acres it is.
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But from the peace Light to thea little round top is about six miles,
and from side to side east towest it's about two or three miles.
If you if you include some ofthe outlying battle area is you're talking,
you're talking dozens of miles out ofGettysburg. That had they they they
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fought in Carlisle, which is thirtymiles north of of and then on a
retreat they fought all through the mountainsand on the way back to Williamsport,
Maryland, and when the Confederates finallycrossed the river there. So it was
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people think it just happened on thepark, Okay, that the battle and
the fighting just took place on thepark, But it was it was vast
they In fact, I was justreading the other day about some some uh,
pretty pretty good earthworks that are stillvisible in Bedford, Pennsylvania. That's
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an hour and a half from Gettysburgdriving, you know. So it was
it was a huge battle and uhin a huge campaign, and people think
that the only place that could possiblybe haunted by the soldiers that died or
were wounded in the battle is onthe park. So that's where they want
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to do their their paranormal investigations.And you can't because of the law.
But there are plenty of other placesto go that you can you can do
investigations. Well, that's that's interestingyou bring that up. You cannot conduct
a private paranormal investigation anywhere within theactual park and that's that's federal law.
Or well, no, it's actuallyit's kind of up to the individual superintendent.
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But they have closed the park fromdusk till dawn. It used to
be ten o'clock that you could standin the battlefield until or on the on
the park until, but they've closedit now from dusk till dawn to sun
set to sunrise. And but youknow, you can do if you're discrete,
If you're discrete, you can doa paranormal investigation on the battlefield on
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the park really anytime, as longas you don't you know, have fifty
fifty people in your group or you'recharging. You can't charge money because that's
a commercial enterprise and that's you needa special permit for that. So the
but people get confused about the parkand the battlefield because the town was battlefield
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was the college campus was a battlefield. The areas that I found were kind
of active paranormally were out by theold Almshouse, which is out on Business
fifteen, in the back area ofa parking lot that used to be a
radio shack. So you know,the hauntings are all all over Gettysburg and
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the environs, not just the parkitself. Well, I was at the
covered Bridge one time and had anotherone. Quite an experience, quite an
experience there. Would love to tellyou about some time. I think you
get a kick out of it there. You've written all these books and uh
yeah, every like I said,most folks that are aware of the hauntings
and Gettysburg are aware of your books. How did you come to write those
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books? What? H what wasthe impetus to get that down? Well,
as I said, after I leftthe Park Service, I was I
was doing some freelance writing and therewas a local publisher actually, and he
had done a lot of books onon Gettysburg, in particular on bullets and
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armaments, and uh, and andstories. And it started off that I
wanted to actually do kind of arevamp of the human interest stories and ghosts
of Gettysburg was only going to bea chapter now or a segment a quarter
of the book. And someone elsecame out and wrote a book on the
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human interest stories of Getty's work,so I kind of shelved the idea.
Then I approached this publisher and Isaid, would you be interested years later,
would you be interested in doing abook on the ghost stories of Gettysburg?
And he said, sure, goahead and write them up. We'll
see what it sounds like. Andso I collected all the stories together and
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wrote them up, stories that Ihad heard for ten or twelve years from
the time I was a park rangerthere, and because we would get stories
from visitors who were out on thebattlefield from older park rangers, some of
the stories in the first book i'dhave to call legends because I really don't
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have a documentation from whom they came. But it's and it took about maybe
ten twelve years to collect all thosestories and I put them together. It
took a year to write the book. I did it in kind of a
unique fashion, I wrote the historyof the site because I knew it,
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and then I wrote the ghost stories. And the interesting part is there always
seems to be some kind of aconnection, you know, a ghost story
if you don't have the history behindthe site. It's kind of like I
like to like in it too.You know, you're walking down the street
on the dark night and somebody jumpsout of the bushes and they go boo,
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and you're you're scared for you know, ten seconds until you realize it's
your idiot brother in law, youknow. Making it so But if you
know the history of for example,Getty's what happened, uh, it gets
it really drives it home. Youunderstand that there these there could be a
connection. The history and the paranormal. I've just for years go hand in
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hand. You can't. You cannothave the goes without the history. Now,
these books that you developed over theyears later became tours and you started
taking people through tours of Gettysburg.How long have you been doing those?
Now? We're in our thirtieth season? Wow three zero Yeah, I got
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old fast. I can't believe it, but uh yeah, Actually the Burrow
came to me a fella from theborough came to me. Well, and
before we do that, we're justabread. We take our first break,
and that's how these things go.We get talked on. We got to
take those breaks. But we're goingto get back to the tours in just
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a few minutes, folks, Markness, but don't leave us. Got
some great stories. We'll be backright after these messages. And we are
back with my guests tonight, MarkNesbitt. Now, Mark, we are
about ready to get into the You'refairly well known, I would say,
famous tours up there in Gettysburg.You were get to tell us how the
town came to you and tell usabout that. Well. Walt Powell was
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the borough historian at the time,and I served with him on some boards
of directors of historic places and sitesand things, and he had he they
were having a little bit of aproblem in Gettysburg because they had just redone
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over the years the downtown area aroundthe center square town and buildings were refurbished
and trees were planted and everything.But they seemed to have trouble getting people
up there because everybody centered on thetourist area, which is down on Steinwere
Avenue closer to the pick as Chargearea, and so he said, do
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you think he could develop a tourusing your books of the downtown area and
maybe it'll help draw some people tothe downtown and we can show him that.
So I just sure I can giveit a try, because I had
developed tours for the park Service before. So I put together a tour.
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And it's kind of interesting because goinginto it and as a business was kind
of interesting because all of a suddenI had to I spent three thousand dollars
on a on on brochures. Icontracted with a teacher who had the summer
off and said, it's three thousanddollars too much or not enough to get
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you to sell tickets, And shesaid, I'm in for three grand,
so already, already, I'm intoit for six thousand. I remember the
first night that the tours went offand I was standing there in the Center
Square and I was doing a headcount and we were charging six dollars a
tour back in those days, andI counted ten people. I'm going,
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Mark, what in the world didyou do? Now? You know,
I gotta I gotta come up.Yeah, And but it gradually we were
lucky because we were the first ones, and uh, everybody was interested in
it. All the local TV stationscame uh and did uh stories on it,
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and so and radio stations and everything. So I was very lucky because
we had great publicity for it.And over the years now it's it's grown
and you know, well, nota whole lot of business mom my pop
businesses stay open for thirty years.So and you started this before a lot
of the ghost investigation ghost hunting,if you'll excuse the term, was in
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vogue. So that is correct.So, uh, what do you how
do you keep things fresh with thesetours? Well, we I'm actually on
Ghosts of Gettysburg nine now, sothe stories keep coming in and so we
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can change those stories anytime we wantbecause it's not recorded. It's we have
live guides. And the guides alsolends something to it as well, because
we promise an hour and fifteen minutesor an hour and a half or an
hour and forty five minutes per tour, depending on what tour you take,
and the guides can choose, sowhatever stories they want, I give them
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more stories than they can use onone tour. So if you take one
of our tours and you have saySally for a guide. If you come
in UH next year and get Sandyfor the guide, you may get a
whole different tour. Some of thestories, some of the classics will be
the same classic stories, but youwill probably get a different tour depending on
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the guide because they all have theirfavorite stories and they'll tell them in a
different take on things. Yeah,I get that, So let's as these
tours go on. I do toursmyself, so I get how this works.
As far as the guests have,do you guess often experience things?
And what do they what's the mostcommon experience that your guests have. Guests
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do experience things, and it it'snot always visual. In fact, it
rarely is, because if you ifyou look at my books and do a
little survey of them, you findout that only about ten percent of all
the stories in my books are visuals. The most common experience is auditory.
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You'll hear something at Gettysburg before you'llsee it, and they report hearing UH
footsteps following the tour, and they'llturn around and nobody they're the last ones
on the street, and they'll they'vealso heard cheering, large bodies of men
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cheering they'll hear cannons firing, therattle of musketry, they'll hear that they
have heard that. The other thingthat happens because all the the senses are
involved when you're having an experience,a paranormal experience is the is olfactory.
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People will smell things on our tours. For example, they'll smell they come
back and they say, I smellrotten eggs on the and there's no reason
for it. And I said,well, not not a normal reason,
but there may be a paranormal reason. Of course, that's sulfur, and
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sulfur was one of the main componentsof black powder, which was the main
propellant in those days for the weaponsthat they used. They'll smell old fashioned
perfume, said, my grandmother usedto wear their perfume. And what they're
probably smelling is a remnant of thewomen in Gettysburg who would go out right
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after the battle and try and dotheir shopping, and the wind would change
and the smell of decomposition would rollthrough the town and they they so they'd
soak their handkerchiefs in this lilac wateror rose water and just put it up
to their nose. When this wouldhappen, and because you can't run away
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from that that smell, it's prettypervasive. So those are some of the
things that our people have experienced.And photographs as well. Photographs I'm always
a little leery about because a lotof them are in windows. Windows have
reflections, and so, yeah,exactly, and so you have to be
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a little careful about some of thatstuff. But Saxbridge, as you mentioned,
is not on our tour, butit's a very active place and there
aren't any windows out there to getany reflections from. Yeah, I've got
a very significant, significant story onthat bridge where a large chain fell as
we were sitting inside of it,and I got I snapped a picture just
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as it happened, and everybody's lookingat it like what was that? But
there was no chain. There wasno chain that fell, and a couple
of other things that I want tobut yeah, Saxbridge, and that's an
interesting story because can you tell uswhat happened there? That was a significant
event, right, Saxbridge was actuallyused. That is virtually the original bridge,
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probably eighty percent of it is original, and it was used by both
Union and Confederates to get to thebattlefield and eventually ended up in the rear
of the Confederate line, and sothat whole area became a vast hospital for
the Confederates. And whenever you havea hospital, you have of course amputations,
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You have a lot of a lotof pain, a lot of emotion.
Am I going to make it home? You know, you're thinking about
your your wife or your kids.And then whenever you have a hospital,
you also have death. And sothere are a lot of burials. There
were a lot of burials out there, and we know that when the Confederate
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army left, lay left in ahurry, and and some of the burials
were not taken care of. Andso if there are any there are several
places out at Gettysburg that they're probablystill some Confederates buried there because they're a
bunch missing. Greg Coco, whowrote a book on that, estimated that
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there were anywhere from eight hundred totwelve hundred Confederates that were unaccounted for,
which means they could still be buriedout on the battlefield here Lord, And
if memory serves, Gettysburg was thelargest loss of American life of any battle,
any battle that we've had, becauseboth sides were Americans. Correct.
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Fifty one thousand casualties is what weused to say back in the day when
I worked for the National Park Service, which is Yankee Stadium holds fifty two
thousand fans, So anytime it's onTV, you just look around at that
stadium and that's how many people werein Gettysburg wound, just the wounded and
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dead after the battle. Most significantspot I've got two questions here, the
most significant spot for activity on yourtours and then the most significant spot that
you personally know of paranormal activity onour tours. You know, there's a
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lot that goes on. We havea tour that goes to the Carlisle Street
and Getty's were college campus, andthere's a lot that goes on on that
campus. Why, I don't know. I think it's because of all the
energy that's up there. We allknow what a college campus is like,
you know, especially on a Saturdaynight after a football game, and everything
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is a lot of energy. Andmy theory is that the you know,
the ghosts need energy from somewhere becausethey don't eat. You know, we
get our energy from a breakfast andlunch and dinner. They don't. They
can't do that, so I thinkthey maybe borrow it from us or from
for example, moot running water,moving water like Sacksbridge, the water that
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goes underneath that. You know,there's a lot of energy at what thirteen
hundred pounds a square a cubic yardof water, there's a lot of energy
there. And so I would saythe Gettysborre College campus is probably is probably
pretty active. And as far asthe battlefield is concerned, people always ask
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me where's the most haunted place onthe battlefield and I tell them there It
changes, but there are two thatwe know of for sure. One would
be Devil's Den and the other wouldbe right next to it, the Triangular
Field. I've gotten more stories fromthat area and they just just keep coming
in. So yeah, and peopledon't realize there's still Gettysburg College is still
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a very active, very vibrant university. There still this is a lot.
This is a lively town. Itisn't just stuck in history. It keeps
growing. Oh yeah, yeah itdoes. We have you know, and
there are always trying to do thingsfor the visitors, for the tourists in
town, Like we had a hugeChristmas week that went on and obviously the
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fourth of July is right on theanniversary of the battle. July one,
second and third, eighteen sixty threewas about fourth of July weekend, So
there's a lot of activity throughout theyear in Getty's work, not just in
the summertime. One of my favoritestories, I think it wasn't actually one
of the college dorms where somebody tookan elevator downstairs and they opened it in
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there was a battlefield hospital in therewas that? Is there any Is that
at pretty true story? I guess, right, well, yeah, that's
when one of my books, inmy first book, and then it turns
out that I knew, well Iknew the people that happened to and they
and I researched it, so Idid. Now we got to take a
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break, but that's okay. Wekeep people hanging that way to Stay with
Us books. We're going to hearabout the battlefield hospital that appeared inside the
college building. So Stayed with Uswill be back right after these messages,
and we are back with my gueststonight, Mark Nesbend. We were just
about ready to get into one ofthe more interesting stories that I'm aware of
out of Gettysburg, and it wasa building where some folks took an elevator
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they went to the I'm going tosay the basement, as memory serves,
and the door is open, andthey're in the middle of a Civil War
operating room. So why don't youtake that off the top, you say,
you know the folks that Yeah,the place was Pennsylvania Hall, and
it was it's called Old Dorm andit was used as a dormitory at Gettysborg
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College. It was called Pennsylvania Collegeat the time of the battle. That
was one of the three main buildingson the college campus, being one of
the largest buildings that was confiscated bythe surgeons as soon as they got into
town because they knew or that theywere going to need a great big area
to operate on people. And sureenough it filled up with wounded soldiers.
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Mostly the lower floors were the operatingroom's upper floors were for recovery, and
so it was a pretty horrific sitein that area. So fast forward down
in nineteen eighties it's now and wasthen the administration building for Getty's Were College,
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and a couple of my friends wereworking late at night at the upstairs
on the fourth floor getting some thingstaken care of, and they ended up
staying too late, and they said, okay, let's go, it's time
to leave. So eleven o'clock theygot in the elevator. Elevator descended and
just as you said, the doorswent past the first floor where the exits
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are, went into the basement.Doors opened to a horrible site of a
of a hospital scene with wounded soldiersall around the corners, a surgeon in
the middle with a saw, bloodysaw ready to operate on some poor guy
on this makeshift operating table. Well, they couldn't get the elevator to work.
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Of course, it wouldn't close,the doors wouldn't close. Finally they
closed, and they ended up goingback up to the first floor. Went
immediately over to security to report this. Now, the security guard became a
friend of mine later on, andI interviewed him about it, and he
said, yes, they were scaredto death, and we went right over
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there. It was a minute betweenthe time they got to me and we
got over there, and they wentdown in the elevator again. The doors
opened and it was pristine. Itwas all whitewashed, because that's the way
it was before they had their computerparts in the paper and stuff and everything
down there. So there's no explanationfor that. But the strange part is
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a number of years later stranger thanthat. Well, it's actually it's kind
of interesting because I always looked forthis. I have a chapter called deja
Vu in my last book, whatHappened. What I realized is after twenty
some years, things are happening againin the same site, same venue,
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a whole different set of people,same events. Okay, so I'm starting
to collect those, and this wasone of them. I was doing an
autographing at Getty's Were College, anda couple came up to me and they
said, we know that woman thatthat happened to. I said, and
I named the two. They saidno, I said, what's going on?
Do you have another name? Andthey gave me another name. The
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circumstances were a little different. Shewas actually working for a a auditing firm
out of Lancaster. They came toaudit Gettys Were College. She was up
on the top floor. They asked, They asked her, would you please
go down to the cars and getsome paperwork? She got her in the
elevator and went down doors open,and she had exactly the same experience.
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I called her up, I interviewedher, and she said, and she
just told me the story of thesame description that I got from the security
officer. So that's two, actuallythree individuals that had exactly the same experience
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in that building, and I'm trackingdown a fourth. Yeah. But the
reason I'm interested in this deja vouthing, in other words, things that
happen again, is because you know, you're a you're a paranormal researcher.
You know you can't It's very difficultto do a scientific study of these because
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one of the things the scientific methodrequires is for you to experiment and recreate
the experiment so that it can bedone over and over and over again.
Virtually impossible. But what we cando is we can with good record,
you know, recurring techniques, wecan we can get these events that are
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happying place over and over again andrecord and so now all of a sudden,
you do have an experiment that's that'sthat's been done over and over and
over again, but we're just recordingit and and it's happened all over all
the time in the battlefield. Ifyou study them long enough. Well,
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this is good. This kind ofcauses me to gut off my track with
it because I have some other questionsto go along with this, and let
me get to that in our fourthsession. But this makes me want to
kind of head down a different road. And I'm gonna it's a rhetorical question,
But Mark, do you believe thatghosts exist? I'm assuming at this
point yes, Well you know Ireally didn't, you know. I'm let
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me put it this way. I'ma skeptic, Okay, I'm trying to
remain a skeptic as much as Ipossibly can, uh being being objective.
You know, writers are supposed tobe objective. That's what I try and
do. That's however, I've I'verun into three or four different scientific theories
and scientific proofs that it's possible forghosts to exist. And some of it
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goes to directly to quantum. Thereare things in quantum theory of physics.
But one of the things, forexample, one of the things is a
researcher in the old Polish research inthe Soviet Union, back when they could
do tests like this, did testson being people, and he realized that
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under death, when you're dying,the body at the point of day gives
off photons, a huge burst oflate energy that's a thousand times greater than
what we give off we're when we'realive. He called it a death shout
that the body is off. Andof course that kind of goes along with
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what's known as the stone recorder theory, which says that whatever the you know,
if there's some sort of quartz around, then there's a very good possibility
that electromagnetism can be captured in that. You see where I'm going with this.
You got thousands of men dying inone area, You have Getty's word
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full of granite, which is fullof quartz, and you may have the
reason why we get residual hauntings.In other words, like a recorder that
plays over and over and over again, the question is what is it that
sets it off? What releases Whatbutton do you push, you know,
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to like on your computer to getthat information back that's been recorded in the
courts around Gettysburg. So those arejust a couple of things that have convinced
me that there's something going on.Yeah, yeah, and you kind of
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hit the second part of my question. What do you think it is.
Your opinion correct me if I havethis wrong, is that it's more of
an energy that has been captured andis somehow released at certain times. But
if that's the case, what aboutfolks that have actually interacted supposedly with folks
who thought were reenactors? Right?Well, first of all, yeah,
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well, first of all, everythinghas to be energy. Okay, matter
is energy, it's frozen energy ringto Einstein. So in order for it
to be in this world, ithas to be some kind of energy.
The interactive hauntings okay, where Iguess they're the scariest because you actually they're
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intelligent hauntings. They actually acknowledge you, the living, the dead acknowledge the
living. That's that can either talkto you or look at you, or
intelligent haunts. We call it,yeah, intelligence, Right? What causes
that? That? Might be somethinga little more on the quantum side.
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I think that there are also paralleluniverses possibility. There's a there's a great
physicist uh at Harvard Harvard, LisaRandall is her name, and she has
this theory about a parallel worlds andthey're actually like parallel things that that are
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living right next to each other thatare existing right next to each other.
She calls them brains b R An e S. Brains like membranes.
I'm thinking that maybe they're kind oflike like like rubber and malleable, and
every once in a while they cross, and when they cross, that's when
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you get you can see into theother one. Okay, sometimes we'll call
it a warp where that where itseems like the time rips open and then
it closes. It doesn't last verylong, but that would be a physics
explanation for why we have intelligence hauntings. But that would cause for example,
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and I don't remember the details ofthis story, was where a guest at
the park saw an individual in ain a Union uniform I believe, and
they actually talked and they interacted andthen she turned around and he was gone.
Through the that theory, I cometo the conclusion that at least one
side knows they're passing back and forth, and therefore they they're they're easy,
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they're easily able to communicate and notbe shocked when they see somebody in another
dimension. Does that make sense?Yes, it does. Well, you
know, once again that begs thequestion. You know, just like we
can occasionally see them. Can theysee us? And apparently they can,
because they do react to us,to our presence there. And speaking of
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that story and speaking to Javu,I got a I did get a second
witness to that fellow. Gave thesame description. Never read my story.
Gave the same description to him,and he looked at her. And we
think he was from the First Texasokay, because Texas was the unit that
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took over Devil's Den, because hestood there. When she looked up,
she said, this ragged guy wasstanding in front of me. He looked
at me, and he pointed atmy sweatshirt and he said First Texas and
it looked down and she had hadworn that burnt orange Texas football shirt.
And she looked down and she lookedup and he was gone. But he
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spoke to her, and so thatwas that was a remark. That's too
from that that soldier if it's thesame soldier, and the description was the
same. And I kind of almostfeel the hair standing up now. And
the big thing mark is I'm acop, you were a cop. You
know, we look for hard evidence. Yet these things keep happening, and
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there's got to be a reason forit, and that's I know one of
the reasons why you you look atthis, and certainly one of the reasons
why I investigate this. There's somethinghappening. We just don't know what it
is. But we got to takeour last break here. So when we
get back, I want to talkto you a little bit about your favorite
spots, the spots that you findthe most active and your most harrowing experience.
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So spokes, stay with us.We'll be background after these messages with
more with More with Mark Nesbitt,and we are back with Mark Nesbitt.
Fascinating stories and as always, wenever seem to have enough time to cover
this, but I do want tomention folks, if you want to learn
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Also, I'd be remiss if Ididn't say there's other great programming right here
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all the great shows also on thenet. Mark what's in the future for
you? Any books? New bookscoming out? Yeah, ay, I'm
getting ready to get Ghosts of Gettysburgnine out probably the spring. Just finishing
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that up. And we have somespecial events that we do on special weekends
with the Ghosts of Gettysburg tours,we have what we call paranormal Weekends.
We're getting together with a Balladery inwhich is a wonderful bed and breakfast and
Gettysburg, and we're going to doprobably three or four paranormal investigations at sites
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that I mentioned in my book HiddenHaunted Hotspots of Gettysburg, places that I've
never actually done any other books on, some places that not too many people
get to go to. One ofthem is at the Balladerie in Apparently there
are some Confederate soldiers that were buriedunder what is now the tennis courts out
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there, and we're going to usingvarious methods to try and find out if
they really really are trying ghosts.Playing a little bit with your audio here,
my friend got you cut off alittle bit there, if you could
repeat that. The ghosts kind ofgot into our system there. That happens.
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It happens a lot of these.Yeah, it's the Uh, it's
a We're doing a paranormal weekend atthe Balladeri Inn and we're going to be
doing it trying to find some sitesthat are in my book Hidden Haunted Hot
Spots of Gettysburg. That's the mostrecent book that I've come out with,
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So it should be interesting. Well, I look forward to they have to
take the team up there for avisit to Gettysburgers share a couple of years
that have been up there. It'sI got to ask you this question before
I started asking you about favorite spotsand whatnot. A little round top the
where the last the hook was,where the twentieth main Joshua Chamberlain. I
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know that history is kind of maybeexaggerated what happened there a tad bit,
but still a place of honor andprobably save the Union the Union flank the
way with what Joshua Chamberlain did anythingthere. Have you ever experienced anything on
a little round top. I've justgot a curiosity, other than when I
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was on patrol at night and thequote Willie's we all know what those are,
right when you're driving along and allof a sudden you want to stop
and get out of the car,stretch your legs, and all of a
sudden you say, no, maybenext time around the battlefield. Yeah,
I'll go the next time. Andbut no, that is a very in
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terms of activity, I don't recalla whole lot, although there should be
more because there are a lot ofpeople there to witness it. I mean,
it's one of the most popular placeson the battlefield. It has been
closed down for the last year andyear or year and a half because they're
redoing you know, as they liketo say in a park service, it
was just loved too much by theby the people. You know, they
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just went all, you know,walked all over it and so they had
to redoce some some pathways and stuff. But it should be open I guess
sometime this summer. Okay, great, Now you've mentioned, of course Devil's
Done and the triangular field as spotswhere many many things have occurred. But
what is Mark Nesbit's favorite spot?If you wanted to go find, you
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wanted to experience whatever that other sideis, whether it's residual, whether it's
intelligent, dimensions crossing, where wouldwhere would you go? Well, well,
actually you men named one of themas a triangular field. I personally
have had more experiences in the triangularfield everything. For getting my very first
EVP out there, I wrote abook called thirty five Days to Gettysburg.
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It was about a Confederate soldier anda Union soldier. I used their diaries
to set them up day by daythrough the entire Gettysburg campaign. But I
also got the Confederate soldiers roster ofdead from his company in the fifteenth Georgia
and went out there and was askingquestions using their names, and got somewhat
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military answers on my recorder when Iplayed it back. Also cameras going on
the blink constantly out there. Ihad three of my cameras go and when
people were interviewing me from radio stations, TV stations out there to TV station
ten fifteen thousand dollars cameras went onthe blink out there in the triangular field.
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So that's a very very active place, at least for me personally,
and I'm starting to find some othersout there as well. East Cavalry Battlefield,
three miles outside of town is kindof active out there, and it's
quiet. Not a lot of peopleknow about it. Of course they do
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now, but not a lot ofpeople know about it. And if you
can get out there, you canfind spots. One of the largest cavalry
battles on the North American continents foughtout there. Oh okay, Yeah,
the most harrowing experience you have everhad out there, or I should say
significant. I mean I can't Ican't see you getting you know, run
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dude or whatever. I see that. But the most significant experience you've had
on the field. Okay, thisis one that I probably should have run
away from, but I didn't becauseI was fascinated. I was called to
the Daniel Lady Farm by the caretakerout there one day and he said,
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Mark, if you are if youwant to see it, a paranormal experience
occurring before your very eyes, comeout here to the Lady Farm. Okay,
So I went out to the LadyFarm Daniel. Lady Farm was a
hospital at the time, like everyplace was in Gettysburg. And he said,
I'm not going to say anything,just going to take you to the
room. Yesterday. This was allcleaned up because we had people coming through
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here and we wanted to look nice. This was the room that was the
operating room out there. He openedthe door and I walked in and I
had a video camera going, andhe didn't say anything, but I looked
down on the floor and there onthe floor were streams of a rust colored
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liquid flowing. It seemed towards thedepression where the place was three or four
of these things. And I said, did you have a pipe break?
He is, nope, this justjust happened. It was clean yesterday.
It's like this today. He said, all right. I said, do
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you have a tissue? He saidyeah. So I'm taking pictures and I
dipped the tissue in this liquid,not knowing what it is, and I
was there for half an hour videotaping, photographing. Put a yard stick down
there so we could see how long. They weren't at least five feet long,
three or four of them. Isaid, I don't know what to
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do. He says, I don'twant to do either. I got to
go out in the fields. Igot work to do, but some I
got to figure out what I'm goingto do with this. I said,
okay, So I went back towhere we stay in Gettysburg. Two hours
later, I got a phone call, same caretaker. I said, what's
up. He says, it's gone. I said, what do you mean
it's gone? He said, itdisappeared. So jumped back in the van,
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went out there. I had myvideotape going and time stamped and everything,
and I went in and I looked, and sure enough it was.
It had disappeared. And he youhave a video of him getting down,
spotting down and rubbing his hand overthe spot. He said it was right
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here, right. I said yeah, I said what? And he looked
at his fingertips. They're covered withdust. I'm like, what in the
heck just happened here? And Carol, my wife, was with me,
and she said, I wonder ifthe samples are still intact. She ran
out to the van and she foundshe found him. She said, they're
still here now. The Gettysburg BattlefieldPreservation Organization Association. It's pretty well connected.
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So we sent those samples out toa forensics lab in Pennsylvania. Three
weeks later, the results came back. The liquid UH was blood. The
identified as blood, the species washuman. All that blood was human blood
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and it disappeared. Now, thestrange part about it is that missus Ladies
operating room, her living room therehas blood stains in it in the wood
from the battle. There's one handprintthere where a poor fellow was picking him
(50:40):
pushing himself up, and the bloodhas was there for one hundred and sake,
still there one hundred and sixty sevensixty years, but that disappeared completely.
So in other words, there's noway he could have cleaned it up.
And you videot when he first calledyou a there, you documented it
on video document being there and thenyou documented it to gone. Yeah,
(51:07):
that's that's significant. Now where isthis evidence today? Is it being preserves,
that being kept anywhere? Because Ithink I find that incredibly significant.
Well, the evidence, the videoevidence I have and and also photographs,
some of them are in my book. I think it's the last second from
last book. And the UH Ididn't give them all the evidence that I
(51:30):
collected there. There were two tissuesand they got one and I kept the
other. So I have that inmy files. So wow, now that
that is a cop and evidence collectionpreservation. Wow, that's huge because how
can that occur? How can isit? Was there any scientific explanation to
(51:52):
how if it would have been rustywater okay when I had him to come
up? Okay, maybe somewhere youknow, a pipe probe or something.
No, it was blood. Itwas human, you know. So,
and I have no explanation. Idon't know what happened there at time warp?
(52:14):
Did I go through a time warpthere where you know it should have
been dry and then it No,because it disappeared and I have everything time
stamps, so I don't I don'tknow. Arr. Well, folks,
I'm here to tell you as acop, and I've been looking for evidence
my entire all the years I've beendoing paranormal investigations. This is significant.
(52:35):
So has anybody done anything else withit? I mean, is there any
well? I record it, youknow, I put it in my book
and that's about the best account thatthat there is of it. Well,
so, well, I gotta andyou know what really stinks is we're out
of time, my friend, We'regonna have to do We're gonna have to
do this again. Uh I reallywe I'll be calling on you anyway.
(52:59):
I apreciate you being with us Mark, Folks. Stay tuned. We're going
to be getting him back on theshow because we've got so much more to
talk about in the future. Thankyou so much for your time. Mark,
Thank you for being here, folks, Thank you for joining us.
I do want to mention March twenty, fifth of my book Haunted Indian River
County is going to be released.You can now pre ordered on Amazon,
So if you are interested in hearingabout the ghosts and here in Indian River
(53:21):
County, go to Amazon look upHaunted Indian River County and you can pre
order now. So I'd appreciate that. But I appreciate everybody being here.
Thank you for listening. Great show, Take care, love the family,
hug those kids, and we'll seeyou on the other side. Have a
good night, folks,
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