January 28, 2024 • 41 mins
A member of the Florida Bureau of Paranormal Investigation since 2015, Sherri has been captivated by the unexplained, ever since scaring the crap out of herself watching the 1970’s TV series Project U.F.O.. She began conducting public and private investigations in 2011 when she joined the team American Ghost Adventures in Orlando Florida. Her combined interest in genealogy, history, historic preservation, and haunted folklore gave her guests a fresh perspective to make up their own minds about the paranormal.
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I think, and I think probablythat's the answer. Is I enjoy teaching,
but what I love getting out ofit is just standing back, you
know, after you've had an opportunityto work with a guest and to say,
hey, what if you thought ofthat particular thing this way? You
know, let me and let megive you. I can give you an
example. We were in an oldhotel. I had a number of guests
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and I was trying to teach themkind of what can happen, how they
can be outside influenced and not evenknow it. So I would pick a
long hallway in this old hotel andI'd say, could I have a volunteer
if someone who wants to go downthat dark hallway? And somebody would inevitably
volunteer, and I would say,okay, well, just so you know
what to expect, I said,a lot of my guests have gone down
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the hallway and they experienced feeling alittle off balance, a little dizzy,
or like somebody's watching them, whichwas true. And I would send them
down. They'd come back and I'dsay what happened, and they would tell
what happened. Oftentimes it was verysimilar, and we would talk about it.
And I would say, did youcatch that? I set you up
for exactly what to experience, Andit's just that moment, and this is
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true of anything that we do.In that moment, you could see the
light bulb go up and you knowthat you had reached them or you had
reached kind of this critical point ofchanging their way of understanding things. And
I think on whatever level that thatexists, it's really important and it's really
what drives me. And that's somethingwe're going to talk about about a little
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bit more teaching and helping to expandthe field. But we're not ready to
take our first break, so folksstay with us. I'm with Sherry Cox,
owner of Do Too Bug Dowsing anda member of the Florida Bureau of
Paranormal Investigation. Will be back rightafter these messages, and we are back
with my guest to night, SherryCox and Sherry. Towards the end of
that last segment, we began talkingabout teaching, and we also talked a
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little bit about the influence that themedia has had. We'll start off with
that, what do you think themedia has done with the interest and where
the paranormal field is now to includehow's that affected tours such as you were
involved with an American Ghost Adventures kindof a little question, but it's okay.
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I think just because you know,being with American Ghost Adventures and then
joining you in twenty eleven, somuch has happened during that time. I
mean when I first got interested inall of this, there was very little
to watch and to take in.I mean, I think we were still
watching the UK's Most Haunted, notis it Most Haunted? Yeah, with
events and all of that where they'relike through some you know, that was
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wonderful and I just remembered enjoying thatso much. But they were kind of
the only game out there until GhostHunters started, And I think it's changed
so much, and I think it'smade it's interesting because kind of what I
see sometimes and continue to see,is it makes a lot of armchair paranormal
investigators. And so I think insome way the media has been really terrific
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in helping mainstream this and helping peopledevelop an understanding of what it is that
we do and what's out there andwhat's possible. So I think that's interesting
because it's helping, you know,create a new generation or a new group
of people that have this interest andare willing to kind of expand their minds
a little bit. But at thesame time, I think we have to
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be super careful because not everyone's doingit for the right reasons and in the
right way, and sometimes because that'sa little more exciting to watch. That's
what sticks, and what I mean, go ahead, that's what sticks.
But yeah, what do you meanby doing it the right way? That's
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an interesting concept because there's nothing outthere that says this is the proper way,
this is the improper way. Sowhat do you mean by the right
way? I think what I meanand I'm not saying, you know that
there's a right and a wrong wayto investigate. That's certainly very personal and
open for interpretation. But I thinkthere's a lot of content out there that
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I how do I put this inthe right way. There's a lot of
content out there that is for itpresents itself as being for show, and
it's not about, you know,trying to be scientific. It's not about
trying to be ethical. It's nottrying to go about investigations for the purposes
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of research and understanding. It's forentertainment purposes. So I guess you can't
say that it's the right or thewrong way. It's just not what I
believe is the correct way. SoI think you have a lot of people
who will watch something on TV oron or or online on YouTube and then
decide to go into their own venueand conjure something up, and they'll yell
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and scream and demand things because that'swhat's being modeled to them. And I
just think we have to be reallycareful and just take responsibility that we're going
about it in an ethical way.I guess you could say, rather than
right and wrong, and I wouldagree with you. Certainly. The TV
shows have gotten, like you said, a lot more people interested. But
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it does allow folks to go outthere. Let's face, and there's a
term I use to paranormal thrill seekers. They want to go on to just
basically hear the bump in the night, maybe the EVP on the recorder.
Let they don't Yeah, exactly,there's this room for everyone, but there's
also got to be the actual research. But also does it open the door
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to folks that want to only doingit for their fifteen minutes of fame or
maybe even more nefarious reason to perhapscon somebody. Oh, I think you
could say that about any industry.Absolutely, there's always going to be those
people that want to take advantage.I think that's it's absolutely out there.
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And I think too, you knowa lot what I like to see is,
especially a lot of the shows thatare on TV right now, really
do take responsibility. I think theyunderstand that they have a lot of followers,
they have people that look up tothem that will be modeling them,
and they do take the time tocommunicate and they'll say, you know,
hey, what you're seeing here.We want to make sure that you understand
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that you don't just walk into avenue without permission, and you know that
you have to work very hard todo the right thing when you're out there
trying to do it. And Ithink the groups that do that are super
successful. And I think there's aresponsibility for all of us, you know,
no matter how we're going about it, that we are realizing that there
are people that don't understand or arenew or whatever it is, that are
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watching and they're going to do whatwe're doing. And so it's like anything
else, with great power comes greatresponsibility. I think you kind of look
at that in the same way.So in a lot of other fields,
and you're right, wherever there's peopleinvolved, you're going to have people doing
the wrong thing or doing something forreally their own benefit. Yeah, But
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those other fields also have checks andbalances. There's some sort of framework,
there's some sort of structure that ifsomebody's doing something wrong, they can be
called to task, whether it belegally or civilly. We don't have that
in this field, though, dowe No. And I know that's something
that you've talked to me about eversince I've known you, and so it's
been a really important thing for youto try to help create that framework and
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to get other groups or other youknow, whoever is interested on board with
helping to decide what that framework isand wouldn't it be nice and how far
could we go with this concept ifwe had that. And it doesn't mean
that we all have to investigate inthe same way, but it's about taking
what we get and preserving it inthe same way and communicating with each other.
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And I just I think it couldbe so powerful. Well, it
could be powerful because working together,not necessarily as one entity, but everybody
moving forward with the same goal andworking under the same structure basically, and
you're right, everybody investigates different thatthat has nothing to do with it,
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but some sort of structure, Ithink we might have an opportunity to actually
move forward, maybe begin to findthe answers. And that's okay for folks
that want to just go out onthe weekends and get a good skin,
that's fine, but there's got tobe some of us that want to move
the field forward well. And Ithink the people are out there because I
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hear people talk about it. I'veheard people talk about it on your shows.
I've you know, there have beenpeople that have come to join our
team, you know, with investigationsor events and that type of thing,
and they're all very, very interested. It's just making it finally happen,
and how to work, organize it, how to preserve it. That type
of thing is not easy. Ittakes a lot of time, time,
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it takes a lot of resources,it takes a lot of communication. But
I think it's possible. Anything's possible. And I really get frustrated with people
saying you and I get this allthe time. You're never going to it's
never gonna happen, Larry, You'renever going to be able to do it.
Well, I am not going tosay never. I'm just I'm curious.
May not be the brightest star inthe sky, but by god I
am I am no doubt about that. Do you think that a lot of
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the tours, what what we dowith Andrey river Hawtings, what you did
at American Ghost Tours, Is thata good place to start with us?
Maybe because I know we've actually hadmembers that on our team that came from
those types of events that joined usand they later became very important members of
the team the FBPI. So doyou see that as a place where we
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can grow maybe investigators of people withan interest that share the same philosophies.
Oh, absolutely what I think it'swhat our team does that I think can
really help. When you do theparanormal one oh one classes had an opportunity
to be wrapped into one this yearwith you and to do a little section
of presentation and just watching the peopleand listening to their questions and that type
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of thing. And these are thepeople that are really wanting to go about
it in a kind of a systematizedway to soak in and learn everything that
they can. They show up anappreciation of kind of how Indian River hauntings
and Florida your own paranormal investigation dothings. And then we either grow our
team that way or they perhaps branchout to form their own teams. And
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that's how I think you're creating thatfoundation. I call that the pebble in
the pond theory. When we costthat little pebble out and those ripples will
hit folks and maybe eventually it'll bringeverybody together at least think the same.
We will never ever be the sameway. But you know, some of
the groups that are doing the toursand that type of thing, they're there
just for that reason. I don'tknow that they're you know that they're interested
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in taking it any further, andI think that's okay. So you're I
think you're going to always have thosepeople who kind of are comfortable doing what
they're doing. They're doing it forthat purpose, whether it's historic knowledge or
or that type of thing. AndI don't know that that's going to grow
anymore, but it might be interestingto try. Here's a philosophical question.
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You're you're using a place and avenue for an event you really don't believe,
you're just doing it because you knowpeople will come and pay the price
of the ticket just for the possibilityof a good scare. Does the other
side see that and do they reactto it? In your pose? Is
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just that's a really interesting question.I would think if you're looking at it
that way, if you're looking atit believing that there's another side. The
thing is is you said you don'tbelieve in you're doing the event, But
does the other side see it?It's like, I don't know. I
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think part of me feels like thebelief of what you're doing somehow is what
creates because you you asked me toto talk about something in particular tonight too,
and I think belief is a lot. But I do believe that,
Yeah, if there is something there, if there's something to this, whether
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it's another dimension or a parallel universe, or there's a you know, there's
unfinished business and a spirit you know, lingering behind, or we're creating our
own experience or whatever it is.I think that there's something there, and
I think that it can be intelligentand sure, I think that could absolutely
affect the outcome sort of long Doesthat makes sense? Yeah, it does,
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it does, And I think tho'sthe questions that we're still trying to
find in this field, and Ithink we sometimes lose sight of that we
really don't know. We don't knowwhat's causing all this. And the folks
that say they know or they havean absolute handle on what's going on on
the other side, I just feelthey're either fooling themselves and the people they're
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talking to, and maybe a littlebit of both, because we don't know.
And that's why a little healthy doseof skepticism is very very important.
And I think humility goes a longway too. Yeah, that's something that's
lacking sometimes, isn't the humility.And I've seen it. I've seen it
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at events where people are chastised.They'll bring in evidence and they'll present it
to somebody that they would consider tobe an expert, and they're chastised for
it because that's not instead of talkingabout it, discussing it and finding out
where that person's, how that personsaw, how they perceive it. You
know. It's just I mean,we have that happen frequently. You know,
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We'll have somebody come to an eventand usually it appears in the form
of a picture or a video onsomeone's phone and they're very excited about whatever
it is that they captured, andthey are insistent upon what it is.
They have it figured out, andthen they ask you what you think.
And I think it's so important inthat moment because that's when the teaching starts
and this person is excited. There'spotential there for someone to be, you
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know, kind of a lifelong loverof this type of thing, and what
you do and how you respond inthat moment is everything. And I think
it's all about meeting people where theyare. We're going to talk a little
bit about that and we get backafter this break, so folks stay with
us. I have Sharry Cox fromdoodle Bug Dowsing and the floor of your
paranorl investigation with us. Be rightback after these messages and welcome back to
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Paranormal stake Out with my guest.Tonight's shry Cox Sre. It's really been
a pleasure chatting with you here,and I think you brought up some very
very important things that don't get discussedenough in the field, and that's teaching
and it's helping people understand because Idon't know how you feel about it,
but teaching opens up one's mind,and opening up one's mind I think allows
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us to see things a whole lotclearer instead of being stuck in our own
little mud. Here, let's talkabout the mind for just a second and
how and how that affects everything.You're familiar with the Philip experiment. We've
talked about it before, yes,And for those of you that aren't familiar
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with it, it's a group thatI'm not unlike ours, that did an
experiment back in Toronto in the seventiesand they basically created an individual name Philip,
did a close investigation documented via filmwith witnesses, and they got all
kinds of hits and the words andthings claiming to be Philip table tipping.
But Philip was their own imagination theycreated. So what did that tell us?
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And what does that teach us aboutperhaps our own mind or what is
the capability of our minds? Anythoughts on that? Well, that's interesting,
I think. And I got achance to work in the metaphysical world
for a few years, which wasreally interesting, and I got a chance
to talk to people on a dailybasis about energy and how important energy and
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you know, you keep hearing everythingis energy. We know that energy can't
be created or destroyed, only recycled. You know, all of those things
that are very familiar to us.And you know, you look at the
Philip experiment, and there's a lotof different ways that you could look at
that you have. You know,is it possible that they created the energy
that produced Philip? Is it possiblethat there was an energy already there or
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whatever it is that we're going tocall it, There was something already there,
like you said from before, thatwas aware of what was happening in
that moment and then decided that,oh, I'm going to step forth and
mess with them as Philip. Itcould be a lot of different things.
That second part, it seems alittle complicated in nature. You know,
I don't know what it was,but I think there's a ton of possibilities.
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But I think the mind and yourenergy that you're bringing, especially in
into an investigation, into a situationis so important. And I think we
see that because even lately our teamis starting to change up a little bit
how we're approaching. As we're startingoff a private investigation of some sort,
we're now starting with a meditation ora focus or that type of thing,
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and I think we've seen that itdoes change the outcome of some things,
whether it just makes us better investigatorsand more aware of what's going on around
us, or it's actually adding energyto the situation that's allowing more things to
manifest. As you know, I'malways questioning, when are we going to
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start creating new pieces of equipment inorder to enhance our investigations. Do we
need to spend more time, inyour opinion, examining the powers and the
abilities of the mind in order tofurther the field. I think it's crucial.
I just think that a lot oftimes we have no way to have
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no idea of how to go aboutthat. And I think because it's it's
intensely scientific in nature, and youknow, it requires a lot of learning.
It rely requires a lot of experimentsfiguring out how do we really understand
totally how the mind works. Ithink you're just opening up another entire wing
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of investigation, I think, butI think it's exciting. I think that
might be able to break down someof the walls that we're experiencing because I
know we feel that we have thisone bag of tricks in terms of investigation
tools, and that gets frustrating sometimes, and you know there are people out
there inventing new things, it seemsmore lately they're inventing new versions of the
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same things, and I'm not surehow useful that is. I think it
makes those tools easier to use orthat type of thing, So I think
that's great, but they're not newthings per se, you know, give
or take a couple of things thathave come out recently. But we're trying
to go back with our team andkind of pick up some of those old
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school things. Like one of ourteam members brought a plate filled with sand
and then we asked for that tobe manipulated, So we're doing things like
that. We were talking about usingan old you remember the game, the
children's game simon with the colored buttonson it that would make a pattern and
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then you would respond and duplicate thepattern. We were thinking, would that
work, you know, is that'sa tactile thing that could work. So
I think we're kind of trying tothink out of the box. Even though
the tools are old, and wecan figure out some new tools and some
new ways to do things, we'regoing to be stuck. We've got to
move forward. I wish I wassmart enough to create some of those new
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tools, and sometimes it takes alot of those tools are created by people
who you know, have a reallygood investment in engineering and science and technology
and that type of thing, andI think sometimes those are the people that
don't really get what we're doing sohard. That can be hard. How
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do we get them to get whatwe're doing? I don't know, it's
possibility. Do we find somebody andget them on a team and have them
experience it and talk to them aboutwhat we're trying to accomplish? You know?
Is it important? I would say, is it important for them to
believe and be invested in what's goingon? I don't think it's necessarily important
for that to happen. But Ithink it's us going to them and saying,
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hey, this is what we're experiencing, this is what we'd like to
measure. We'd like you to createsomething that measures that for us, And
then I don't know if it's importantthat they believe. Okay, I don't
know. Do you think do youthink we're any closer now, not just
the engineering side, but even thescientific side. Are we any closer now
than we were twenty years ago tobegin to move what this field is out
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of the pseudoscience into the more sciencerealm with the assistance of scientists, psych
neuros, neurologists, engineers. Arewe any closer? I think my opinion
would be I don't think so.The only thing I think that is is
that it is an advantage that thisis a little more acceptable to talk about
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it, you know, I canhave yeah, yeah, And I think
it feels like that's all the fartherthat we've gotten now. Certainly, I'm
not an expert in this field,you know, I have my limited my
limited experiences with these two teams.I do a lot of reading, I
do a lot of research that typeof thing, but I've not come across
anything that makes me think, wow, you know, we're really advanced now,
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because it doesn't feel like that.No, don't, and I don't
think anybody really is that far advancedyet. But we've got to figure out
how to get there. And Ithink maybe the only thing is is now
they, you know, the skeptics, maybe think that we're less crazy.
I don't know, maybe not so. Kind of changing the subject just a
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little bit here, We've talked alot about evidence and the mind. What
does Sherry Cox think ghosts aar Whatis your philosophy as to what it is
on the other side? After havingdone this for what thirteen fourteen, fifteen
years now, and the different experiencesthat I've had, I think what my
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mind starts to do is start tobelieve that what we're experiencing has a lot
more to do with our energy thananything else. I'm less likely to feel
that there is a a spirit ofan old woman who has unfinished business,
and so she's staying in this house, and this is who we're communicating with,
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or that type of thing, AndI feel like somehow it's us.
And I can't explain that, LikeI can't say scientifically, well, it's
because you know, the human thehuman psyche and and human energy or whatever
it is that we're putting out there. How it creates it, I don't
know. But I just think ifI always say that, if I find
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out someday that it was us allalong, to me, that's almost more
interesting than a woman with unfinished business. So I think it's fascinating. So
you think we're the power of ourown brain, our own energy is creating
the evidence. I think it's apossibility. And I think some of that
comes into play when we talk aboutthe different investigation venues. You know,
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there's your Holy Girl venues, You'vegot, you know, Eastern State and
all of those places that we allwant to go. And sometimes you hear
people talk about things being over investigated. You know, we even had that
experience, you know in Felsmer whenwe were you know, at the old
schoolhouse, you know, so frequently, and we after a while experienced a
diminishing of activity, and we wonderedwhy, And I wonder if that's not
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part of it. You know,it could be the people that we're we're
bringing in. It could be thatthe different energies that come with the tours
or with us on any given dayis directly affecting our experiences. It's like,
is something haunted because someone believes itis? Okay? So no,
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okay? Do you believe there's anafterlife? Do we go somewhere? Does
our essence, our our consciousness doesit go? I follow this amazing woman
on Instagram. She is a psychicmedium, and I have my own beliefs
of about that. I think that'sa really, really difficult field. That's
a whole other show. But shetalks about information that she says that she
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gets from the other side, andshe talks about what happens to our souls
or our energy or whatever it iswhen we die, And she can unequivocally
speak to the fact that you know, the souls will leave a body,
this just being a vessel, andthat that will go to kind of a
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waiting room where there is healing administeredat that time. And then she talks
about the concept of soul families,and she deals a lot in reincarnation and
that type of stuff, and Ifind her view of things fascinating. Does
this view include those folks that havepassed on to this waiting room? Yeah,
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use that way coming back to visitus. Absolutely, she said that
is the possibility, and that youknow that she has uncovered they have told
her that they do come back forvarious reasons. So I guess that does
play into the whole idea of unfinishedbusiness now that you think about it.
But I think it's fine. Sheknows that to learn from her. She
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said that she the way a lotof people talk about it. She says
that she has spirit guides that arerevealing these things to her. So I
don't know. I don't know her, I don't know her background, but
I think she's her information is compelling, and I just I listened to her
a lot, and I try todo research and I try to learn more,
and I think she makes some interestingcases. But I don't know that
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that necessarily ties into my belief thatwe're creating it, because that's two different
things it is. But I thinkwhat you've just described, Sherry, is
the fact that we really don't know. There's just so many many different questions
out there. So just to kindof throw another wrench at you, Cryptid's
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UFOs A lot of talk now thatthey're kind of melding together that this is
a dimensional issue and ghost scriptives andUFOs are all dimensional. And then at
about thirty seconds there, can yougive me a yeah, you had a
fantastic on one of your shows yearsago, you had a fantastic guest and
he was a scientist from California,and I remember him saying he believes that
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seeing Bigfoot is looking into the past, and seeing UFOs is looking into the
future, and it's you know,parallel universes that are doing this from time
to time. Here's that dimension thing. Keeps cropping up. It does and
once again solidifies the belief that wejust don't know yet. There's still so
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many questions and we're going to tryand answer a few more right after this
break, folks, so stay withus on Paranormal Steakout. Be right,
and we are back on Paranormal steakOut. My guest tonight, Sherry Cox,
and I want to make a coupleof the quick announcements here. If
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Network at x x Zone Radio TVdot com or XZBN dot net to see
all of the terrific programming here onthe network. Now, Sherry, we're
going to talk a little bit aboutDoodlebug Dowsing and dowsing rods. Tell us
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a little bit about your company andhow folks can find you. Okay,
my partner Nikki and I are theowners of Little Bug Dowsing. We have
been in business. I think we'relooking at four years already, and we
fabricate and sell dowsing rods. Andfor those who may not know what dowsing
rods are, they they probably doand they don't know it. A lot
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of people if you talk to themin the in the manner of saying,
you know, if you think backto grandparents or great grandparents who may have
had land, and you know,at the time, there was not the
technology that we have now, andthey would use a forked stick, often
willow, and they would walk theland and as they passed over underground water,
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that stick would snap to attention toindicate underground waterflow. And so that
was kind of an example of dowsing. It's hundreds, if not thousands of
years old, and so over timethere have been a lot of different types
of businesses that have used that fromyou know, there are current well drilling
companies that will still use them.There are people that are you know,
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linemen that deal with underground electricity,there's energy healers. We use them in
the paranormal field. The ones thatwe create and provide are actually l rods.
I have some right here. Sobasically it's two rods made out of
brass and they have little safety tipson them and you'll see that there are
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actually there's a handle that causes thebrass to be able to spin freely,
so they are less influenced by yourhands. So we've been doing this about
four years now. We have awebsite it's Doodlebugdowsing dot com. You can
buy from us directly. We alsohave some great little bags that accompany them
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that we call doodle bags and ohright, we do go to paranormal events
from time to time and have atable there. We often will have them
at the Indian River Hauntings events forsale. Larry will often use them with
his guests on tours. If peoplewould like to experience them directly or with
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the different events that we do had. We also provide them in bulk for
a number of customers that we havethat are paranormal tour companies. We have
you know, groups up in Gettysburgand in Key West and you know in
Illinois that do purchase from us andthen resell to their guests. So that's
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always a possibility. If someone hasa store that would like to carry these
types of things, we can providethem in bulk as well. So we're
very lucky. Yeah, And I'llbe honest with you. On some of
our tours, I've had a numberof times people that were professional well diggers
say that they still use the dowsingrods. I even had electrician one time
tell me he uses them to findwires and walls, so obviously they still
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work. Now, one question Iwant to ask you before we get into
how they work or what your beliefsare on how they work. Does material
matter? Do you have to havea specific material for it to well.
A lot of people believe that theyshould be copper. That seems to be
the general opinion that if they're notcopper, they don't work. I think
in my opinion, that's been disproven. I think it can be because of
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what we what we believe is happeningwhen we douse. I'm not certain that
it matters, because I think wehave shown that it doesn't. It can
be like, you know, goingback hundreds of years, they were using
wooden sticks. You can use coathangers. You know, a lot of
people will fabricate their own rods justby bending a set of coat hangers.
Ours are brass and certainly have haveproven to work. And they don't work
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because they're our dowsing rods. They'reproof, you know, they work because
of the work being done by theholder of the dowsing rods. So yeah,
I don't believe it needs to besomething specifical. So let's let's talk
about how they work. Okay,I'm holding in my hands. I can
manipulate those to make them say whateverI want to say. You can,
Okay, how do we use them? How do you use them? Yeah?
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The way I've and I've had someinteresting conversations with people who use dowsing
rods frequently, most of them inthe paranormal community. And I'll always say,
you know, I'll watch them usethem It's a very personal thing about
how you go about it and kindof where you go energetically when you use
them. And I'll say, I'llwatch them, and I'll say, tell
me what you think is happening whenyou use these rots. And I've had
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people say, I believe that energyor the spirit or whatever it is that
they're communing with is physically moving therods. Okay, you know it's a
good opinion. My opinion is ittaps back into the energy that we were
talking about earlier. If you goback hundreds of years to using the fork
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stick for underground water. Water undergroundhas frequency, and it has vibration.
Yeah, all of those things,and we as energetic vessels have the ability
to tap into this. So thesesimply become a tool for expressing that energy
that we are sensing, the frequencyand all of that. So for it
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being a tool for communication, youthink or healing that type of thing,
you think about it the same wayyou think about a pendulum, because and
does that make sense? Yeah,explain Okay, So the idea of someone
using a pendulum is whole. There'ssomething that's called the ideo motor effect,
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and that's something about the human bodywhere there are small, little imperceptible movements
that happen to us all the timethat we're unaware of. You know,
if you're standing still, you're notstanding still, right, And it's these
little ideo motor effects that are actuallywhat we believe are moving the rods.
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We actually count on them to movethe rods or the pendulum. So somebody
said, well, you know youyou're moving those Well, yes we are,
but on purpose. So we arekind of tuning ourselves energetically into whatever
it is that we're trying to doubs, whether that's hidden treasure or information questions,
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you know, or a spirit oranother energy that we're trying to talk
to, or someone is using itto diagnose a blockage in chakras when you
use it in energy healing, orwe're trying to determine if there are underground
burials that type of thing. Oryou go back to one of our investigations,
and I was walking the land outin the back of one of our
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investigation locations, and I would walkand I would get these hits, and
I didn't know why I was gettingthem. And then finally I went to
our host and I said, doyou have a backyard sprinkler system and he's
like yep, And I'm like,well, I could show you exactly where
the heads are. You couldn't seethem, but you can even do that.
So you're tapping into the frequency andthe energy of underground water. So
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really that's what that's about. Whodo people unintentionally you manipulate them to get
what they want? I think theycan absolutely, just like anything else.
How do we avoid that? Ithink it's ethics. Okay, I don't
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know that we avoid it. Imean I think people are always going to
people are always going to do thingslike that, and how do we have
Now If you say, how dowe avoid that in the case of you
know, we have somebody with us, I think it's there's a lot of
trust, there's a lot of education, there's a lot of experience that person
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and education teaching, teaching. Yeah, but I think you're always going to
have people who are doing things thatthey shouldn't and and that's where education ethics
comes into play. And it goesback to what we talked about earlier,
is bringing people into the fold andteaching them. And I'm going to use
your term the right way, butthe right way simply is nothing more than
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being the honest way and doing thebest you can and learning about it.
Now during an investigation, absolute proofpositive when those rods move, there's a
spirit there, right, No,I don't think so. No, No,
I think I think dowsing rods areimportant because they're subjective. They can't
record, they can we can't goback. We can record video of someone
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doing a dowsing rod session. Wecan do that type of thing, so
we can preserve that evidence. Butbecause it's kind of like the idea of
being a medium, it's like youget that information and you can write that
information down or record it, butwe can never control what that person is
doing. So I think dowsing rodsare really important to be used in conjunction
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with other pieces of equipment because thereare times where you get one hundred percent
corroboration over something and that makes ita little more interesting. So I think
it just adds dowsing rods or pendulumsor that type of thing just adds another
level to what you're doing in termsof investigtion. I don't think it's ever
for certain, and a lot ofpeople that's one thing we try to teach
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people is that it by itself isnot proof positive of the other side.
Now, I recall one investigation wherewe actually had the rods move. And
we have cameras on all the timewhenever we use them we are filming,
and actually the rod I remember thisone time the rods moved and basically said
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that they were moving them themselves.Actually, if I'm not mistaken, that
whatever was there said they were movingin themselves, which I found very interesting.
Yeah, but does that mean doesthat mean physically or does that mean
energetically? And I don't know thatwe got an answer to that. No,
I don't know that we did either, And I don't know that at
this point we ever will. Probablythe most significant I'll just mention it here
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was an event where we were usingthe rods. We had a medium with
us, Chris, we had thespirit box going, and all these things
told us the same thing about alittle girl that passed away there and you'll
remember where that is. And folks, just to take that a step further,
not only were we told about alittle girl there, we actually found
a grave that was unmarked in acemetery. So how does this stuff happen?
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I don't know, But it wasa pretty significant, significant event.
We're still working on that one.How important? What's the most important piece
of equipment? I know you're adowsing rod person. What do you think
is the most significant piece of equipmentwe have out there today? Our brains?
Okay, go on, I thinkwe're the most And that goes back
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to you know, do we spendmore time developing ourselves, developing our senses
that type of thing, And maybemy answer does? I think, you
know, none of the bells andwhistles, or the things that take batteries
or light up or make sounds,none of that matters without this. And
I think too you could also arguewithout this and a sense of responsibility and
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a sense of you know, wekeep talking about ethics and doing things for
the right reason in the right way, and I think none of it matters
if this is not an alignment.Well said, and I totally agree.
And that's and that's where it allcomes together. None of this stuff counts
without proper training, proper structure,proper ethics, and just helping people understand
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to do the right thing and notharm others by our art. Now,
I'm not gonna lie. I lovea good run pod, good life about
it was excited. There's just likeeverybody wants a little bit of excited,
but share. Unfortunately we are outof time. This went so fast,
but I really really appreciate you comingon tonight and sharing with us your thoughts,
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your philosophies. Thank you so muchfor being with us, and folks,
thank you for being with us tonighton Paranormal Stakeout, great show.
Thanks being here. Remember take careof your family, Hug those kids,
and we'll see you on the otherside. Have a good night, folks.
I think, and I think probablythat's the answer. Is I enjoy teaching,
but what I love getting out ofit is just standing back, you
know, after you've had an opportunityto work with a guest and to say,
hey, what if you thought ofthat particular thing this way? You
know, let me and let megive you. I can give you an
example. We were in an oldhotel. I had a number of guests
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and I was trying to teach themkind of what can happen, how they
can be outside influenced and not evenknow it. So I would pick a
long hallway in this old hotel andI'd say, could I have a volunteer
if someone who wants to go downthat dark hallway? And somebody would inevitably
volunteer, and I would say,okay, well, just so you know
what to expect, I said,a lot of my guests have gone down
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the hallway and they experienced feeling alittle off balance, a little dizzy,
or like somebody's watching them, whichwas true. And I would send them
down. They'd come back and I'dsay what happened, and they would tell
what happened. Oftentimes it was verysimilar, and we would talk about it.
And I would say, did youcatch that? I set you up
for exactly what to experience, Andit's just that moment, and this is
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true of anything that we do.In that moment, you could see the
light bulb go up and you knowthat you had reached them or you had
reached kind of this critical point ofchanging their way of understanding things. And
I think on whatever level that thatexists, it's really important and it's really
what drives me. And that's somethingwe're going to talk about about a little
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bit more teaching and helping to expandthe field. But we're not ready to
take our first break, so folksstay with us. I'm with Sherry Cox,
owner of Do Too Bug Dowsing anda member of the Florida Bureau of
Paranormal Investigation. Will be back rightafter these messages, and we are back
with my guest to night, SherryCox and Sherry. Towards the end of
that last segment, we began talkingabout teaching, and we also talked a
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little bit about the influence that themedia has had. We'll start off with
that, what do you think themedia has done with the interest and where
the paranormal field is now to includehow's that affected tours such as you were
involved with an American Ghost Adventures kindof a little question, but it's okay.
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I think just because you know,being with American Ghost Adventures and then
joining you in twenty eleven, somuch has happened during that time. I
mean when I first got interested inall of this, there was very little
to watch and to take in.I mean, I think we were still
watching the UK's Most Haunted, notis it Most Haunted? Yeah, with
events and all of that where they'relike through some you know, that was
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wonderful and I just remembered enjoying thatso much. But they were kind of
the only game out there until GhostHunters started, And I think it's changed
so much, and I think it'smade it's interesting because kind of what I
see sometimes and continue to see,is it makes a lot of armchair paranormal
investigators. And so I think insome way the media has been really terrific
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in helping mainstream this and helping peopledevelop an understanding of what it is that
we do and what's out there andwhat's possible. So I think that's interesting
because it's helping, you know,create a new generation or a new group
of people that have this interest andare willing to kind of expand their minds
a little bit. But at thesame time, I think we have to
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be super careful because not everyone's doingit for the right reasons and in the
right way, and sometimes because that'sa little more exciting to watch. That's
what sticks, and what I mean, go ahead, that's what sticks.
But yeah, what do you meanby doing it the right way? That's
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an interesting concept because there's nothing outthere that says this is the proper way,
this is the improper way. Sowhat do you mean by the right
way? I think what I meanand I'm not saying, you know that
there's a right and a wrong wayto investigate. That's certainly very personal and
open for interpretation. But I thinkthere's a lot of content out there that
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I how do I put this inthe right way. There's a lot of
content out there that is for itpresents itself as being for show, and
it's not about, you know,trying to be scientific. It's not about
trying to be ethical. It's nottrying to go about investigations for the purposes
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of research and understanding. It's forentertainment purposes. So I guess you can't
say that it's the right or thewrong way. It's just not what I
believe is the correct way. SoI think you have a lot of people
who will watch something on TV oron or or online on YouTube and then
decide to go into their own venueand conjure something up, and they'll yell
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and scream and demand things because that'swhat's being modeled to them. And I
just think we have to be reallycareful and just take responsibility that we're going
about it in an ethical way.I guess you could say, rather than
right and wrong, and I wouldagree with you. Certainly. The TV
shows have gotten, like you said, a lot more people interested. But
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it does allow folks to go outthere. Let's face, and there's a
term I use to paranormal thrill seekers. They want to go on to just
basically hear the bump in the night, maybe the EVP on the recorder.
Let they don't Yeah, exactly,there's this room for everyone, but there's
also got to be the actual research. But also does it open the door
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to folks that want to only doingit for their fifteen minutes of fame or
maybe even more nefarious reason to perhapscon somebody. Oh, I think you
could say that about any industry.Absolutely, there's always going to be those
people that want to take advantage.I think that's it's absolutely out there.
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And I think too, you knowa lot what I like to see is,
especially a lot of the shows thatare on TV right now, really
do take responsibility. I think theyunderstand that they have a lot of followers,
they have people that look up tothem that will be modeling them,
and they do take the time tocommunicate and they'll say, you know,
hey, what you're seeing here.We want to make sure that you understand
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that you don't just walk into avenue without permission, and you know that
you have to work very hard todo the right thing when you're out there
trying to do it. And Ithink the groups that do that are super
successful. And I think there's aresponsibility for all of us, you know,
no matter how we're going about it, that we are realizing that there
are people that don't understand or arenew or whatever it is, that are
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watching and they're going to do whatwe're doing. And so it's like anything
else, with great power comes greatresponsibility. I think you kind of look
at that in the same way.So in a lot of other fields,
and you're right, wherever there's peopleinvolved, you're going to have people doing
the wrong thing or doing something forreally their own benefit. Yeah, But
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those other fields also have checks andbalances. There's some sort of framework,
there's some sort of structure that ifsomebody's doing something wrong, they can be
called to task, whether it belegally or civilly. We don't have that
in this field, though, dowe No. And I know that's something
that you've talked to me about eversince I've known you, and so it's
been a really important thing for youto try to help create that framework and
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to get other groups or other youknow, whoever is interested on board with
helping to decide what that framework isand wouldn't it be nice and how far
could we go with this concept ifwe had that. And it doesn't mean
that we all have to investigate inthe same way, but it's about taking
what we get and preserving it inthe same way and communicating with each other.
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And I just I think it couldbe so powerful. Well, it
could be powerful because working together,not necessarily as one entity, but everybody
moving forward with the same goal andworking under the same structure basically, and
you're right, everybody investigates different thatthat has nothing to do with it,
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but some sort of structure, Ithink we might have an opportunity to actually
move forward, maybe begin to findthe answers. And that's okay for folks
that want to just go out onthe weekends and get a good skin,
that's fine, but there's got tobe some of us that want to move
the field forward well. And Ithink the people are out there because I
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hear people talk about it. I'veheard people talk about it on your shows.
I've you know, there have beenpeople that have come to join our
team, you know, with investigationsor events and that type of thing,
and they're all very, very interested. It's just making it finally happen,
and how to work, organize it, how to preserve it. That type
of thing is not easy. Ittakes a lot of time, time,
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it takes a lot of resources,it takes a lot of communication. But
I think it's possible. Anything's possible. And I really get frustrated with people
saying you and I get this allthe time. You're never going to it's
never gonna happen, Larry, You'renever going to be able to do it.
Well, I am not going tosay never. I'm just I'm curious.
May not be the brightest star inthe sky, but by god I
am I am no doubt about that. Do you think that a lot of
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the tours, what what we dowith Andrey river Hawtings, what you did
at American Ghost Tours, Is thata good place to start with us?
Maybe because I know we've actually hadmembers that on our team that came from
those types of events that joined usand they later became very important members of
the team the FBPI. So doyou see that as a place where we
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can grow maybe investigators of people withan interest that share the same philosophies.
Oh, absolutely what I think it'swhat our team does that I think can
really help. When you do theparanormal one oh one classes had an opportunity
to be wrapped into one this yearwith you and to do a little section
of presentation and just watching the peopleand listening to their questions and that type
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of thing. And these are thepeople that are really wanting to go about
it in a kind of a systematizedway to soak in and learn everything that
they can. They show up anappreciation of kind of how Indian River hauntings
and Florida your own paranormal investigation dothings. And then we either grow our
team that way or they perhaps branchout to form their own teams. And
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that's how I think you're creating thatfoundation. I call that the pebble in
the pond theory. When we costthat little pebble out and those ripples will
hit folks and maybe eventually it'll bringeverybody together at least think the same.
We will never ever be the sameway. But you know, some of
the groups that are doing the toursand that type of thing, they're there
just for that reason. I don'tknow that they're you know that they're interested
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in taking it any further, andI think that's okay. So you're I
think you're going to always have thosepeople who kind of are comfortable doing what
they're doing. They're doing it forthat purpose, whether it's historic knowledge or
or that type of thing. AndI don't know that that's going to grow
anymore, but it might be interestingto try. Here's a philosophical question.
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You're you're using a place and avenue for an event you really don't believe,
you're just doing it because you knowpeople will come and pay the price
of the ticket just for the possibilityof a good scare. Does the other
side see that and do they reactto it? In your pose? Is
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just that's a really interesting question.I would think if you're looking at it
that way, if you're looking atit believing that there's another side. The
thing is is you said you don'tbelieve in you're doing the event, But
does the other side see it?It's like, I don't know. I
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think part of me feels like thebelief of what you're doing somehow is what
creates because you you asked me toto talk about something in particular tonight too,
and I think belief is a lot. But I do believe that,
Yeah, if there is something there, if there's something to this, whether
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it's another dimension or a parallel universe, or there's a you know, there's
unfinished business and a spirit you know, lingering behind, or we're creating our
own experience or whatever it is.I think that there's something there, and
I think that it can be intelligentand sure, I think that could absolutely
affect the outcome sort of long Doesthat makes sense? Yeah, it does,
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it does, And I think tho'sthe questions that we're still trying to
find in this field, and Ithink we sometimes lose sight of that we
really don't know. We don't knowwhat's causing all this. And the folks
that say they know or they havean absolute handle on what's going on on
the other side, I just feelthey're either fooling themselves and the people they're
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talking to, and maybe a littlebit of both, because we don't know.
And that's why a little healthy doseof skepticism is very very important.
And I think humility goes a longway too. Yeah, that's something that's
lacking sometimes, isn't the humility.And I've seen it. I've seen it
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at events where people are chastised.They'll bring in evidence and they'll present it
to somebody that they would consider tobe an expert, and they're chastised for
it because that's not instead of talkingabout it, discussing it and finding out
where that person's, how that personsaw, how they perceive it. You
know. It's just I mean,we have that happen frequently. You know,
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We'll have somebody come to an eventand usually it appears in the form
of a picture or a video onsomeone's phone and they're very excited about whatever
it is that they captured, andthey are insistent upon what it is.
They have it figured out, andthen they ask you what you think.
And I think it's so important inthat moment because that's when the teaching starts
and this person is excited. There'spotential there for someone to be, you
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know, kind of a lifelong loverof this type of thing, and what
you do and how you respond inthat moment is everything. And I think
it's all about meeting people where theyare. We're going to talk a little
bit about that and we get backafter this break, so folks stay with
us. I have Sharry Cox fromdoodle Bug Dowsing and the floor of your
paranorl investigation with us. Be rightback after these messages and welcome back to
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Paranormal stake Out with my guest.Tonight's shry Cox Sre. It's really been
a pleasure chatting with you here,and I think you brought up some very
very important things that don't get discussedenough in the field, and that's teaching
and it's helping people understand because Idon't know how you feel about it,
but teaching opens up one's mind,and opening up one's mind I think allows
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us to see things a whole lotclearer instead of being stuck in our own
little mud. Here, let's talkabout the mind for just a second and
how and how that affects everything.You're familiar with the Philip experiment. We've
talked about it before, yes,And for those of you that aren't familiar
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with it, it's a group thatI'm not unlike ours, that did an
experiment back in Toronto in the seventiesand they basically created an individual name Philip,
did a close investigation documented via filmwith witnesses, and they got all
kinds of hits and the words andthings claiming to be Philip table tipping.
But Philip was their own imagination theycreated. So what did that tell us?
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And what does that teach us aboutperhaps our own mind or what is
the capability of our minds? Anythoughts on that? Well, that's interesting,
I think. And I got achance to work in the metaphysical world
for a few years, which wasreally interesting, and I got a chance
to talk to people on a dailybasis about energy and how important energy and
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you know, you keep hearing everythingis energy. We know that energy can't
be created or destroyed, only recycled. You know, all of those things
that are very familiar to us.And you know, you look at the
Philip experiment, and there's a lotof different ways that you could look at
that you have. You know,is it possible that they created the energy
that produced Philip? Is it possiblethat there was an energy already there or
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whatever it is that we're going tocall it, There was something already there,
like you said from before, thatwas aware of what was happening in
that moment and then decided that,oh, I'm going to step forth and
mess with them as Philip. Itcould be a lot of different things.
That second part, it seems alittle complicated in nature. You know,
I don't know what it was,but I think there's a ton of possibilities.
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But I think the mind and yourenergy that you're bringing, especially in
into an investigation, into a situationis so important. And I think we
see that because even lately our teamis starting to change up a little bit
how we're approaching. As we're startingoff a private investigation of some sort,
we're now starting with a meditation ora focus or that type of thing,
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and I think we've seen that itdoes change the outcome of some things,
whether it just makes us better investigatorsand more aware of what's going on around
us, or it's actually adding energyto the situation that's allowing more things to
manifest. As you know, I'malways questioning, when are we going to
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start creating new pieces of equipment inorder to enhance our investigations. Do we
need to spend more time, inyour opinion, examining the powers and the
abilities of the mind in order tofurther the field. I think it's crucial.
I just think that a lot oftimes we have no way to have
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no idea of how to go aboutthat. And I think because it's it's
intensely scientific in nature, and youknow, it requires a lot of learning.
It rely requires a lot of experimentsfiguring out how do we really understand
totally how the mind works. Ithink you're just opening up another entire wing
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of investigation, I think, butI think it's exciting. I think that
might be able to break down someof the walls that we're experiencing because I
know we feel that we have thisone bag of tricks in terms of investigation
tools, and that gets frustrating sometimes, and you know there are people out
there inventing new things, it seemsmore lately they're inventing new versions of the
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same things, and I'm not surehow useful that is. I think it
makes those tools easier to use orthat type of thing, So I think
that's great, but they're not newthings per se, you know, give
or take a couple of things thathave come out recently. But we're trying
to go back with our team andkind of pick up some of those old
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school things. Like one of ourteam members brought a plate filled with sand
and then we asked for that tobe manipulated, So we're doing things like
that. We were talking about usingan old you remember the game, the
children's game simon with the colored buttonson it that would make a pattern and
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then you would respond and duplicate thepattern. We were thinking, would that
work, you know, is that'sa tactile thing that could work. So
I think we're kind of trying tothink out of the box. Even though
the tools are old, and wecan figure out some new tools and some
new ways to do things, we'regoing to be stuck. We've got to
move forward. I wish I wassmart enough to create some of those new
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tools, and sometimes it takes alot of those tools are created by people
who you know, have a reallygood investment in engineering and science and technology
and that type of thing, andI think sometimes those are the people that
don't really get what we're doing sohard. That can be hard. How
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do we get them to get whatwe're doing? I don't know, it's
possibility. Do we find somebody andget them on a team and have them
experience it and talk to them aboutwhat we're trying to accomplish? You know?
Is it important? I would say, is it important for them to
believe and be invested in what's goingon? I don't think it's necessarily important
for that to happen. But Ithink it's us going to them and saying,
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hey, this is what we're experiencing, this is what we'd like to
measure. We'd like you to createsomething that measures that for us, And
then I don't know if it's importantthat they believe. Okay, I don't
know. Do you think do youthink we're any closer now, not just
the engineering side, but even thescientific side. Are we any closer now
than we were twenty years ago tobegin to move what this field is out
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of the pseudoscience into the more sciencerealm with the assistance of scientists, psych
neuros, neurologists, engineers. Arewe any closer? I think my opinion
would be I don't think so.The only thing I think that is is
that it is an advantage that thisis a little more acceptable to talk about
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it, you know, I canhave yeah, yeah, And I think
it feels like that's all the fartherthat we've gotten now. Certainly, I'm
not an expert in this field,you know, I have my limited my
limited experiences with these two teams.I do a lot of reading, I
do a lot of research that typeof thing, but I've not come across
anything that makes me think, wow, you know, we're really advanced now,
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because it doesn't feel like that.No, don't, and I don't
think anybody really is that far advancedyet. But we've got to figure out
how to get there. And Ithink maybe the only thing is is now
they, you know, the skeptics, maybe think that we're less crazy.
I don't know, maybe not so. Kind of changing the subject just a
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little bit here, We've talked alot about evidence and the mind. What
does Sherry Cox think ghosts aar Whatis your philosophy as to what it is
on the other side? After havingdone this for what thirteen fourteen, fifteen
years now, and the different experiencesthat I've had, I think what my
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mind starts to do is start tobelieve that what we're experiencing has a lot
more to do with our energy thananything else. I'm less likely to feel
that there is a a spirit ofan old woman who has unfinished business,
and so she's staying in this house, and this is who we're communicating with,
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or that type of thing, AndI feel like somehow it's us.
And I can't explain that, LikeI can't say scientifically, well, it's
because you know, the human thehuman psyche and and human energy or whatever
it is that we're putting out there. How it creates it, I don't
know. But I just think ifI always say that, if I find
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out someday that it was us allalong, to me, that's almost more
interesting than a woman with unfinished business. So I think it's fascinating. So
you think we're the power of ourown brain, our own energy is creating
the evidence. I think it's apossibility. And I think some of that
comes into play when we talk aboutthe different investigation venues. You know,
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there's your Holy Girl venues, You'vegot, you know, Eastern State and
all of those places that we allwant to go. And sometimes you hear
people talk about things being over investigated. You know, we even had that
experience, you know in Felsmer whenwe were you know, at the old
schoolhouse, you know, so frequently, and we after a while experienced a
diminishing of activity, and we wonderedwhy, And I wonder if that's not
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part of it. You know,it could be the people that we're we're
bringing in. It could be thatthe different energies that come with the tours
or with us on any given dayis directly affecting our experiences. It's like,
is something haunted because someone believes itis? Okay? So no,
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okay? Do you believe there's anafterlife? Do we go somewhere? Does
our essence, our our consciousness doesit go? I follow this amazing woman
on Instagram. She is a psychicmedium, and I have my own beliefs
of about that. I think that'sa really, really difficult field. That's
a whole other show. But shetalks about information that she says that she
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gets from the other side, andshe talks about what happens to our souls
or our energy or whatever it iswhen we die, And she can unequivocally
speak to the fact that you know, the souls will leave a body,
this just being a vessel, andthat that will go to kind of a
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waiting room where there is healing administeredat that time. And then she talks
about the concept of soul families,and she deals a lot in reincarnation and
that type of stuff, and Ifind her view of things fascinating. Does
this view include those folks that havepassed on to this waiting room? Yeah,
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use that way coming back to visitus. Absolutely, she said that
is the possibility, and that youknow that she has uncovered they have told
her that they do come back forvarious reasons. So I guess that does
play into the whole idea of unfinishedbusiness now that you think about it.
But I think it's fine. Sheknows that to learn from her. She
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said that she the way a lotof people talk about it. She says
that she has spirit guides that arerevealing these things to her. So I
don't know. I don't know her, I don't know her background, but
I think she's her information is compelling, and I just I listened to her
a lot, and I try todo research and I try to learn more,
and I think she makes some interestingcases. But I don't know that
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that necessarily ties into my belief thatwe're creating it, because that's two different
things it is. But I thinkwhat you've just described, Sherry, is
the fact that we really don't know. There's just so many many different questions
out there. So just to kindof throw another wrench at you, Cryptid's
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UFOs A lot of talk now thatthey're kind of melding together that this is
a dimensional issue and ghost scriptives andUFOs are all dimensional. And then at
about thirty seconds there, can yougive me a yeah, you had a
fantastic on one of your shows yearsago, you had a fantastic guest and
he was a scientist from California,and I remember him saying he believes that
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seeing Bigfoot is looking into the past, and seeing UFOs is looking into the
future, and it's you know,parallel universes that are doing this from time
to time. Here's that dimension thing. Keeps cropping up. It does and
once again solidifies the belief that wejust don't know yet. There's still so
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many questions and we're going to tryand answer a few more right after this
break, folks, so stay withus on Paranormal Steakout. Be right,
and we are back on Paranormal steakOut. My guest tonight, Sherry Cox,
and I want to make a coupleof the quick announcements here. If
you want to find out more aboutthe view of Paranormal Investigation and Indian River
Hauntings, check us out at ParanormalFBI dot com or Indian River Hauntings dot
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com. You can also see someof our investigations on YouTube and the address
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(28:29):
Paranormal Steakout dot org and check themout. And I would be remiss if
I did not suggest and encourage youto check out the Xzone Radio and TV
Network at x x Zone Radio TVdot com or XZBN dot net to see
all of the terrific programming here onthe network. Now, Sherry, we're
going to talk a little bit aboutDoodlebug Dowsing and dowsing rods. Tell us
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a little bit about your company andhow folks can find you. Okay,
my partner Nikki and I are theowners of Little Bug Dowsing. We have
been in business. I think we'relooking at four years already, and we
fabricate and sell dowsing rods. Andfor those who may not know what dowsing
rods are, they they probably doand they don't know it. A lot
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of people if you talk to themin the in the manner of saying,
you know, if you think backto grandparents or great grandparents who may have
had land, and you know,at the time, there was not the
technology that we have now, andthey would use a forked stick, often
willow, and they would walk theland and as they passed over underground water,
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that stick would snap to attention toindicate underground waterflow. And so that
was kind of an example of dowsing. It's hundreds, if not thousands of
years old, and so over timethere have been a lot of different types
of businesses that have used that fromyou know, there are current well drilling
companies that will still use them.There are people that are you know,
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linemen that deal with underground electricity,there's energy healers. We use them in
the paranormal field. The ones thatwe create and provide are actually l rods.
I have some right here. Sobasically it's two rods made out of
brass and they have little safety tipson them and you'll see that there are
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actually there's a handle that causes thebrass to be able to spin freely,
so they are less influenced by yourhands. So we've been doing this about
four years now. We have awebsite it's Doodlebugdowsing dot com. You can
buy from us directly. We alsohave some great little bags that accompany them
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that we call doodle bags and ohright, we do go to paranormal events
from time to time and have atable there. We often will have them
at the Indian River Hauntings events forsale. Larry will often use them with
his guests on tours. If peoplewould like to experience them directly or with
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the different events that we do had. We also provide them in bulk for
a number of customers that we havethat are paranormal tour companies. We have
you know, groups up in Gettysburgand in Key West and you know in
Illinois that do purchase from us andthen resell to their guests. So that's
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always a possibility. If someone hasa store that would like to carry these
types of things, we can providethem in bulk as well. So we're
very lucky. Yeah, And I'llbe honest with you. On some of
our tours, I've had a numberof times people that were professional well diggers
say that they still use the dowsingrods. I even had electrician one time
tell me he uses them to findwires and walls, so obviously they still
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work. Now, one question Iwant to ask you before we get into
how they work or what your beliefsare on how they work. Does material
matter? Do you have to havea specific material for it to well.
A lot of people believe that theyshould be copper. That seems to be
the general opinion that if they're notcopper, they don't work. I think
in my opinion, that's been disproven. I think it can be because of
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what we what we believe is happeningwhen we douse. I'm not certain that
it matters, because I think wehave shown that it doesn't. It can
be like, you know, goingback hundreds of years, they were using
wooden sticks. You can use coathangers. You know, a lot of
people will fabricate their own rods justby bending a set of coat hangers.
Ours are brass and certainly have haveproven to work. And they don't work
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because they're our dowsing rods. They'reproof, you know, they work because
of the work being done by theholder of the dowsing rods. So yeah,
I don't believe it needs to besomething specifical. So let's let's talk
about how they work. Okay,I'm holding in my hands. I can
manipulate those to make them say whateverI want to say. You can,
Okay, how do we use them? How do you use them? Yeah?
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The way I've and I've had someinteresting conversations with people who use dowsing
rods frequently, most of them inthe paranormal community. And I'll always say,
you know, I'll watch them usethem It's a very personal thing about
how you go about it and kindof where you go energetically when you use
them. And I'll say, I'llwatch them, and I'll say, tell
me what you think is happening whenyou use these rots. And I've had
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people say, I believe that energyor the spirit or whatever it is that
they're communing with is physically moving therods. Okay, you know it's a
good opinion. My opinion is ittaps back into the energy that we were
talking about earlier. If you goback hundreds of years to using the fork
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stick for underground water. Water undergroundhas frequency, and it has vibration.
Yeah, all of those things,and we as energetic vessels have the ability
to tap into this. So thesesimply become a tool for expressing that energy
that we are sensing, the frequencyand all of that. So for it
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being a tool for communication, youthink or healing that type of thing,
you think about it the same wayyou think about a pendulum, because and
does that make sense? Yeah,explain Okay, So the idea of someone
using a pendulum is whole. There'ssomething that's called the ideo motor effect,
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and that's something about the human bodywhere there are small, little imperceptible movements
that happen to us all the timethat we're unaware of. You know,
if you're standing still, you're notstanding still, right, And it's these
little ideo motor effects that are actuallywhat we believe are moving the rods.
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We actually count on them to movethe rods or the pendulum. So somebody
said, well, you know youyou're moving those Well, yes we are,
but on purpose. So we arekind of tuning ourselves energetically into whatever
it is that we're trying to doubs, whether that's hidden treasure or information questions,
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you know, or a spirit oranother energy that we're trying to talk
to, or someone is using itto diagnose a blockage in chakras when you
use it in energy healing, orwe're trying to determine if there are underground
burials that type of thing. Oryou go back to one of our investigations,
and I was walking the land outin the back of one of our
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investigation locations, and I would walkand I would get these hits, and
I didn't know why I was gettingthem. And then finally I went to
our host and I said, doyou have a backyard sprinkler system and he's
like yep, And I'm like,well, I could show you exactly where
the heads are. You couldn't seethem, but you can even do that.
So you're tapping into the frequency andthe energy of underground water. So
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really that's what that's about. Whodo people unintentionally you manipulate them to get
what they want? I think theycan absolutely, just like anything else.
How do we avoid that? Ithink it's ethics. Okay, I don't
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know that we avoid it. Imean I think people are always going to
people are always going to do thingslike that, and how do we have
Now If you say, how dowe avoid that in the case of you
know, we have somebody with us, I think it's there's a lot of
trust, there's a lot of education, there's a lot of experience that person
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and education teaching, teaching. Yeah, but I think you're always going to
have people who are doing things thatthey shouldn't and and that's where education ethics
comes into play. And it goesback to what we talked about earlier,
is bringing people into the fold andteaching them. And I'm going to use
your term the right way, butthe right way simply is nothing more than
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being the honest way and doing thebest you can and learning about it.
Now during an investigation, absolute proofpositive when those rods move, there's a
spirit there, right, No,I don't think so. No, No,
I think I think dowsing rods areimportant because they're subjective. They can't
record, they can we can't goback. We can record video of someone
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doing a dowsing rod session. Wecan do that type of thing, so
we can preserve that evidence. Butbecause it's kind of like the idea of
being a medium, it's like youget that information and you can write that
information down or record it, butwe can never control what that person is
doing. So I think dowsing rodsare really important to be used in conjunction
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with other pieces of equipment because thereare times where you get one hundred percent
corroboration over something and that makes ita little more interesting. So I think
it just adds dowsing rods or pendulumsor that type of thing just adds another
level to what you're doing in termsof investigtion. I don't think it's ever
for certain, and a lot ofpeople that's one thing we try to teach
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people is that it by itself isnot proof positive of the other side.
Now, I recall one investigation wherewe actually had the rods move. And
we have cameras on all the timewhenever we use them we are filming,
and actually the rod I remember thisone time the rods moved and basically said
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that they were moving them themselves.Actually, if I'm not mistaken, that
whatever was there said they were movingin themselves, which I found very interesting.
Yeah, but does that mean doesthat mean physically or does that mean
energetically? And I don't know thatwe got an answer to that. No,
I don't know that we did either, And I don't know that at
this point we ever will. Probablythe most significant I'll just mention it here
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was an event where we were usingthe rods. We had a medium with
us, Chris, we had thespirit box going, and all these things
told us the same thing about alittle girl that passed away there and you'll
remember where that is. And folks, just to take that a step further,
not only were we told about alittle girl there, we actually found
a grave that was unmarked in acemetery. So how does this stuff happen?
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I don't know, But it wasa pretty significant, significant event.
We're still working on that one.How important? What's the most important piece
of equipment? I know you're adowsing rod person. What do you think
is the most significant piece of equipmentwe have out there today? Our brains?
Okay, go on, I thinkwe're the most And that goes back
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to you know, do we spendmore time developing ourselves, developing our senses
that type of thing, And maybemy answer does? I think, you
know, none of the bells andwhistles, or the things that take batteries
or light up or make sounds,none of that matters without this. And
I think too you could also arguewithout this and a sense of responsibility and
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a sense of you know, wekeep talking about ethics and doing things for
the right reason in the right way, and I think none of it matters
if this is not an alignment.Well said, and I totally agree.
And that's and that's where it allcomes together. None of this stuff counts
without proper training, proper structure,proper ethics, and just helping people understand
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to do the right thing and notharm others by our art. Now,
I'm not gonna lie. I lovea good run pod, good life about
it was excited. There's just likeeverybody wants a little bit of excited,
but share. Unfortunately we are outof time. This went so fast,
but I really really appreciate you comingon tonight and sharing with us your thoughts,
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your philosophies. Thank you so muchfor being with us, and folks,
thank you for being with us tonighton Paranormal Stakeout, great show.
Thanks being here. Remember take careof your family, Hug those kids,
and we'll see you on the otherside. Have a good night, folks.
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