March 28, 2024 • 54 mins
Steve Dills is a seasoned paranormal investigator with over a decade of experience, whose journey into the unknown began at a young age. As a young child, Steve was no stranger to the inexplicable. Nights were often disrupted by preternatural phenomena that defied explanation, igniting a lifelong passion for understanding and researching the paranormal. These early experiences laid the foundation for what would become an insatiable hunger for knowledge. In 2010, Steve, alongside four friends, decided to channel this fascination with the unknown into something more substantial with the founding of Transcend Paranormal, an investigative team dedicated to exploring and understanding preternatural phenomena. Over the past decade, Steve alongside Transcend Paranormal have formed invaluable partnerships with numerous historical locations, contributing to their historical preservation and restoration efforts. Through these collaborations, the team has raised over $200,000 for these locations, to give back to the community and history itself.
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Welcome to the Paranormal Stakeout Radio TVshow with Larry Lawson. As a former
career law enforcement officer and law enforcementeducator, Larry focuses on the use of
tried and true law enforcement investigated techniquesin conducting paranormal investigations. Despite his experience
and training, Larry also and keepsan open mind to discussions on topics that
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deal with evidence that are not quiteas physical in nature. Paranormal Stakeout guests
are professionals in the field of theparanormal and parapsychology, conducting the investigations and
research needed to further the cause ofparanormal study. Larry advocates an agenda of
standardization of structure and training in thefield of paranormal investigation and research for the
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purpose of one day being able toproduce the evidence needed to convince a jury
of the existence of the paranormal.Whether it is ghosts, UFOs, unsolved
mysteries, hauntings, or cryptids,no topic is beyond the investigative reach of
Larry Lawson and the Paranormal Steakhout RadioTV show team. Now Here is the
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host of the Paranormal Steakhout Radio TVshow Larry Lawson. Good evening, everyone,
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and welcome back to Paranormal Steakout.I'm your host, Larry Lawson,
coming to you from the headquarters ofthe Florida Bureau of Paranormal Investigation and Indian
River Hautings in beautiful Buero Beach,Florida, just a stones throw south of
Cape Canaveral, where we're seeing rocketsgo up every day. Maybe that's why
we get so many UFO reports fromaround here, But that's not what we're
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going to talk tonight. I've gota great show in store for you.
I've got a mister Steve deals withus. Steve as a seasoned paranormal investigator
with over a decade of experience,and his journey began into the unknown began
at a really, really young age. As a young child, he was
often disrupted at night in his sleepwith things that were happening that defied explanation.
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In about twenty ten, Steve andsome of his colleagues put together a
team called Transcend Paranormal, which isan investigative team dedicated to exploring and understanding
natural phenomenon. Now, in additionto that, they are also involved in
a lot of historical restoration and eventsto help contribute to those historical buildings in
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their area. He's also you'll seehim on several TV shows on the YouTube.
Ghost Finders and Eerie Encounters are acouple of them. But what really
sets him apart as the scientific approachthat he takes to his paranormal investigations.
You know me, that's where Ilike to go. I want I want
them a cop and I like thingsto be scientific in their methodology. But
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we're going to talk about that tonightbecause even my philosophy is changing. It
dead. But with that, I'dlike to introduce Steve dill Is to Paranormal
Stakeout. Steve, Welcome to theshow. Hey, Larry, thank you
for having me. Yeah, sohow's everything up there in Virginia. It's
going, uh wet. We've hada bunch of rain, so it's it's
very wet and soggy, but GagaBlaine, we're getting into spring. Yeah,
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that's and it's even strung a raina little bit around here. Also.
So you've been into this business,paranormal research, investigative world for about
ten years. Tell my audience alittle bit about your background, how you
got here and what significant events reallymolded what you are today. Yeah.
So so the biggest thing that thatkind of I guess drove me to the
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paranormal was my childhood. You know, I was, I grew up right
outside of Philadelphia, and uh ongosh, I was young. But one
of my birthdays we we up andmoved here to Virginia. My father had
a job opportunity that he could notpass up. And uh and and so
you know how that goes, all, you know, we all went.
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And so I remember being very depressed, you know, anxious even and even
as a child, I was likeall of my friends, my family,
everything, I know, my entireworld is now going to be way over
here, out of my reach.And you know, this was a time
when uh, you know, emailwas just coming about and everybody had their
their Aol email accounts, and soyou know, I didn't really have a
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way to communicate with my friends likeyou do today, right, you can
you can reach out and paying somebodyhalf across the world. I didn't have
any of that, and that kindof I guess put me into this spot
where where I felt very anxious,depressed, scared, right, And so
we moved into this house U andwe were there for only two years,
as my mother likes to put it, two years too long, but almost
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instantaneously activity starts occurring. I'm wakingup to my name being whispered in my
ear, and that progresses to beingyelled and screamed into my ear, which
was very terrifying as a child,having my bedroom and my closet doors open
and closed on themselves, having objectsmove around, and it wasn't just my
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bedroom, it was the entire house, but for whatever reason, it seemed
to want to stem or kind ofculminate in this portion of our house,
my room. Of course, whereelse should it be? And so you
know that that just kind of havingall these experiences as a kid got me
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into the field because I was Iwas terrified. I was terrified to go
home. I was terrified. Iwanted to stay at school. And that's
like, your home is supposed tobe your sae place, right, You're
you're, you're yes, But whenyou're going home and you're seeing doppelgangers of
family pets, having having things movedaround the house, or watching you know,
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shadows or in one case, thisthis massive orb which is very odd.
And I'm not saying like on acamera like like all the dust that
people, Yes, it was aboutthe size of a basketball. Uh uh
float into the room? Uh thatthat that I was like, I'm done.
Like that scared me and so thesethings like it just I guess it
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just kind of ignited a flame,right I was. I was. It
wasn't something I was aware of priorall of these things started occurring to to
myself and to happen up in Philadelphiaat all. Nope, just this out
and so no, go ahead,are you well? One question I got
to ask, and I'm sure you'veyou've had this question set to you a
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couple of times. You obviously experiencequite the trauma for young I'm assuming what
you were five, six, sevenyears old right in that? Yeah,
it is young. Okay, themove that and that's traumatic. I totally
get that. Can you can youequate that emotional trauma is maybe something that
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triggered it or might be the foundationfor what happened at all? Have you
ever looked at that at all?That is so that's actually why I say
that, because I'm a firm believerthat if you are going to go into
a location to investigate, you shouldn'tbe feeling depressed or anxiety induced. If
you're feeling these feelings, you shouldprobably take a break because if you I
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feel like what you put into thefield is what you get out. What
you put into investigating is that youget out. And so when you when
you go in and you're feeling anxietydepressed, you're feeling all these negative emotions,
you're gonna have sort of experience thatis more negativingly inclined. Now is
that meaning? Is that something that'shappening out here in the world around us
or right here? Not sure.I think it's a mix of both.
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And so so I think that aportion of what was going on was me
creating some of these experiences, someof these things right like like, I'm
already in this bad space, andso things that I'm experiencing I'm already gonna
interpret as negative right now. Onthe flip side, I also feel like
that can stem things that that canyou know, kind of stir the pod
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a little bit and say, hey, you know, I'm over here,
how's it going. And so,you know, not only was I having
experiences my mother, everybody except myfather, because my father was like,
I don't see anything, and soand it wasn't until after we moved out
of the house that he finally openedup and he's like, yeah, there
was some weird experiences. And I'mlike, okay, so you were't the
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only one experiencing these things. No, no, okay, okay. And
you know, you go back tosome of the theories of poltergeist and that
being young, young ladies in particularat a certain age tends their their energy
tends to create these situations. Soundslike that may have been part of what
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was happening with you. I thinkit's possible. I think because of the
mindset that I was in, Ithink it's very very plausible idea. I
wish I could go back and testit and be like, all right,
let's see. But I think thatit was a mix of you know,
there were other things going on inthe house, mix that in with kind
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of my own headspace, and it'slike, all right, perfect storm.
And then as a young as ayoung child, you know, it's almost
impossible to discern between one or theother because you have no idea. Right
now, now we are able tolook back and say, oh, you
know what, I think that's amix of this or it could have been
this or could have been that,and put some something more tangible around it.
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But as a kid, oh mygod, I was. I was,
absolutely the house was horrific. Irefused to be in there by myself.
It was it was wild. Wasthere a history to the house?
So the house was newly built thehouse the house was just built. It
was one of the last remaining housesin the neighborhood that was just sitting there.
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Nobody had purchased it. It didhave a very very weird layout,
which I think probably kind of inpart is why it didn't get, you
know, off of the market soquickly. On the flip side, my
parents were looking for a place veryquickly to just move in so that we
could get settled into the area andthen start looking for a more permanent house.
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And so we moved in with theintention of not staying there very long.
We were there for two years,and during that time my parents had
actually had a house built on alarger piece of property, and so we
were there for just a very shortperiod of time, but it was just
enough for me to kind of likeget get that interest. Now, while
the house doesn't have any activity orany any history, the grounds you know,
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in Virginia, you can't spit withoutsitting something Civil War or even Revoir,
and so there were no battles onthat property that I was able to
locate. However, I do knowthat there was troop movement and encampments right
in that area. So it's it'spossible that you know, it's something from
that that time period. It's it'sdifficult because I've not had access to go
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back, and I'm also not I'mnot going to go knock on their door
and be like, hey, listen, I grew up you as a kid.
Your house is absolutely like can Icome in? They probably call the
cops on me. But I thinkthat it is tied to if there's anything
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that's that's actively there. I thinkit's tied to the land and just what
occurred there too, because this was, you know, this was some low
land and so when they started developingit, they came in and just dumped
dirt everywhere and then build the housesof big, massive neighborhoods. So,
and I agree with you. Ithink that's something a lot of folks in
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the paranormal research field they tend toforget. Oftentimes it's the land, not
the building. Itself and we're somethingthat was there prior. And I liked
your ability to discern and able tolook at emotional triggers as well as possible
paranormal activity and looking to be ableto separate the two. And you said
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something that was really interesting and Iwant to get into this lady in the
show, and that's repeating it.And I noticed in your res you you
try to use scientific methods to substantiateevidence. Well, the biggest problem we
have in the field today is beingable to repeat it and sticking truly with
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a scientific method, and that's ahuge issue. So I don't want to
I don't I don't want to gettoo far ahead of this. I got
lots to talk about. So dothe experience you had, the experience as
a child, It continued on,I'm assuming even after you left the house.
Nope, nope, we moved outof the house. Absolutely more activity,
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but it was it was enough,And so I I guess lost that
fear after a while, and itturned into fascination, and it turned into
why did that happen to me?You know, why did that happen here?
Why did that happen to me?How did it happen? What is
this? And so I took thatand I, you know, some of
the very early TV shows on paranormalwere coming out. This is before ghost
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Hunters all this sort of stuff,and so I started doing my own digging
and diving, and you know,finally grew to the age that I was
able to get a car and Imoved out and again of college, and
that's that's when I started hitting theroad. You know, I well that
that's uh. And I got tocut you off here because we're a not
ready to take our first break.Goes quick. But when you get back
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and we're talking a little bit moreabout how how you developed yourself and trained
yourself in the field. So,folks, Steve Dill's from Transcend Paranormal,
interesting conversations, Stay tuned. Willbe back after these messages and we are
back on paranormal stakeout with my guesttonight, Steve Dill's from Transcend Paranormal up
in Richmond, Virginia. Steve,getting back into back into your background.
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I appreciate you talking about it becauseI don't think I think a lot of
people have things that occur to themand they don't like talking about it.
They don't like telling other people.And I think when that occurs, when
people do talk about it, theystart to feel better and opened up themselves.
Myself, I did not have myfirst experience until I was in law
enforcement. Oddly enough, I hada Yeah, my mom was was very
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in tune with strange occurrences, butit wasn't anything I experienced until after I
was in a law enforcement But alot so many folks have that experience that
you did as a child now inthese experiences in your home, and don't
need to go in to detail ifyou don't want to, but were you
ever touched or physically harmed at all? I had one experience that I can
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remember, and I wasn't hurt,but it was something that to me was
I guess being told this story wassignificant. I was, you know,
sleeping in bed and as as parentsdo, they come in in the morning
to get you up and get youready for school. You know, I'm
going to get up and I rememberfor somethinking like when my mother used to
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wake me up, she had thishorrible song. So if you're watching mom,
it was a great song, butshe she'd opened the door and internal
lights and this particular morning instead ofseeing me lying on the bed or in
the bed. There was a giantposter. It was one of those posters
that you you know, you wouldyou would enclose you you know, put
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the plastic casing on it and everything, and that hung over my bed and
it was just you know, sometypical boy stuff. It had a baseball
bat and I think a pair ofroller blades and a soccer ball, you
know, just like kid stuff.And somehow, at some point in the
evening it fell onto me, butnot in such a way and I was
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just in a single twin bed,nothing massive, so so this would have
been the perfect balancing act, right, But the way that it fell it
actually was face up when when itlanded on me. So somehow, and
this was just on a single nail, somehow it lifted off of the nail,
the wire came up enough and thenwhen it fell it fell like if
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this is the front of the thepicture, It felt like this, so
that the top of the picture wason my head and it was facing upwards,
so that when she walked in shesaw the baseball bat and the you
know all the you and you wereto wake Nope, I was asleep.
So so somehow the nail was stillin the wall, and this poster had
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made its way onto me without wakingme up. Can one would presume that
if it was you had something fallon you, you'd probably wake up.
And that was a very weird experience. Was the nail still in the wall?
So okay, okay, yep.And so so that was something that
you know, obviously I was asleep, so I didn't I wasn't aware of
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it. But this is something likeas I got older, my mother told
me, she's like, you know, this is really weird, but let
me share this with you. Andand so, you know, she kind
of dismissed it, didn't say anythingto me that that particular day because she
don't want me scared. I wasalready terrified of the house. But uh,
she she kind of held it fora little bit and then finally shared
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it, and it was it waslike just lined up with all the other
weird experiences in that house. Andand ultimately, like I said that,
that kind of drove my you knowwhy, and I knew that I wanted
to get into the field. Youknow, I had to wait until I
was in college kind of on myown where you know, my parents didn't
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know that I was out until allhours of the night investigating and and granted
I wasn't drinking, so I guessthat's that's something, right. But you
know, I was able to takemyself and go and start experiencing locations and
investigating on my own. And that'sthat's when, you know, after doing
this for a year or so andinvestigating with tons of random folks that I
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didn't know, I finally realized,like, you know, if I'm going
to do this seriously, I needto I need to have a team of
people that kind of have the samethoughts and ideas, and we'll have each
other's backs and we can support eachother and do this in a way that
we can use are our experiences,right, our our scars to help other
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people, because that's what I wantedto do. The ultimate goal was to
help other folks and make sure otherpeople don't feel like their home is a
place of fear. And that's that'sa big reason that I got into it.
So how did you pick? Howdid you pick these folks? How
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did you pick these folks to becomepart of Transit twenty ten? I believe
so you've been doing it for awhile so, so we actually investigated in
this group called the Richmond Paranormal Society, and at that time it had been
formed and there was thousands of peoplein this group. It was a meet
up group if you ever used meetup way back in the day, and
so, uh it was. Itwas basically this massive group of anybody and
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everybody that was, you know,interested in the paranormal. Uh, dark
tourists and I called dark tourism likefolks that like go and ghost towards and
all that sort of stuff, anythingfrom people that you know, have been
investigating already. It was a massivegroup. And so let's say they found
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a place that they wanted to investigate, you know, somebody would line it
up and then they'd say, okay, the first ten people they posted out
in this group first time people thatreply ge to go. And I work
in it, so I'm always onthe computer. So I had a fairly
good chance of being one of thosefolks. And so I started doing these
investigations and we'd had to a fewdifferent locations around here, and I very
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quickly realized that every single time Iwould be investigating with sometimes some of the
same people, some of the samefolks but then more often than not,
it was just be random people thatI had never met and I probably wouldn't
see again. And I realized thatif I'm going to go into a space
and it's pitch black, I can'tsee anybody around me, I probably should
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do so with people that I know. And so after kind of chatting with
some of the folks on these investigationsand some of the people that I had
seen, you know, kind ofrecurring, we decided, hey, you
know what, we're gonna We're gonnado our own thing. And there was
just four of us and we decidedwe're gonna we're gonna take off. We're
going to start investigating in ourselves andbuild kind of some solidity around this.
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And we did that actually in twothousand and seven, two thousand and seven,
two thousand and eight. So therewas a couple of years prior where
we were just kind of doing ourown thing and we didn't really have a
team per se. We were justus just doing, you know, going
to places. And then you know, twenty ten, we're like, you
know, let's just make it official. Let's you know, if we're going
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to do this like we've been doingthis. We worked together, well,
let's do this, and so that'swhen we kind of formed the team,
and then we've been growing ever since. We're we're close to like thirty members
now, which is a little crazy. It's a big team, but we're
all adults and everybody is here witha shared goal, which is really nice,
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and so we all get along andwork, you know, work towards
our mission of helping folks and helpinghistorical locations. So you put this team
to the thirties, a big crew. I've got about twelve, and sometimes
that can get a little unwilling.But there's a lot of folks that listen
to this show that have an interestin doing research. Many of them are
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very serious about it. Some arewhat I like to refer to as paranormal
thrill seekers, folks that just liketo go out hear the bump in the
night. But all of them havea good heart that that we deal with,
how do you how do you trainyourself become more professional? And then
I want to kind of move intowhat your methodology is, how you investigate.
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Yeah, let's start off by talkingabout how you how you train your
members. So it's a very interestingtopic because a lot of times when when
teams start out and they're very fresh, you kind of stumble around a lot.
One of the big things that thatwe talk about and now we operate
as a team is acting in sucha way that it's it's a business.
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We are not a business. Thisis a passion. This is a huge
hobby of passion. Right. Noneof us make money. We lose money.
We throw it into into travel andgas and hotel stays. But we
try to act professional in a sensethat this is how we would operate if
we are in an office space,you charge, do you charge for an
investigation? Okay? No, no, no, never, never, never,
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And so you know, we wewe say, okay, you know,
obviously some of the some of theeasy things, we're not swearing,
we're not talking about politics, oneof these sorts of things. But then
we also kind of have these teaminvestigations or team building sessions where we'll go
into a location. We've got afew home quote unquote home locations that will
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investigate, and when we go there, we work together as a team to
kind of just I guess, standardizeand formalize how we engage, you know,
whether it's it's a client, whetherit's the public on a public investigation.
And so some of the things thatwe do is you know, and
and we didn't start off with this. To be very clear that it took
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some some tild by fire and learningfrom from getting burned on some things.
But extend excuse me, extensive clientinterviews, right, and that's that's for
historical locations as well as private residences. So we have a very strenuous uh
and and I hate to use thatword, but it is. It's a
lot more lengthy than a lot ofthe teams I've seen interview process. You
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know, it's not like, Okay, hey, listen, we think we
have ten ghosts at our house.We need you to come over. A
lot of people like we'll be rightthere. We're like, all right,
hold up, let's talk about this. And so we have a very lengthy
process of interviewing before we even stepfoot on the property. Why why tell
us why? I think people needto hear this great question because you don't
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want to get caught with your pantsdown. I think it is a very
safe place. The way to saythat when you get on site for some
of these locations, Uh, it'snot always safe. It's not always safe
for you it's not always safe foryour team members. And and there's a
few different ways that that can beunsafe. The majority of it is human
people, other folks. One ofthe one of the things that we're always
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looking for when we when we performthese interviews is people that are thrill seeking
and and I'm not in the sameway that some of your viewers are,
but I'm talking about We had oneparticular case where we went out, uh
and and I love using this asan example. We went out, knocked
on the door. The homeowner greetedus with a glass of wine. She's
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like, she's already standing there,she got a glass on wine on her
hand. She's like, hey,how's it going. We're like, you
know, good, we're here toinvestigate. She invites us in and we
walk in and there's about four orfive other women sitting at a kitchen table
right off to the left hand side. They've all got a couple of bottles
of wine. They're all drinking.They're having a good time. And she's
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like, Okay, is this allof you? And I said yeah.
She's like, well, what timedo the camera crews get here? And
I said, excuse me, whatdo you what do you mean. She's
like, well, you guys,you know do ghosts, right, And
I said, well, yeah,that's what we're here for. And she's
like yeah, but when you know, when are the TV folks going to
get here? One of the camera'sgoing to get here, you know.
I hope you don't mind. Ibrought some some of my friends over because
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they wanted to see you guys,you know, film and do this.
And I was like, I'm sorry, I think you get the wrong idea,
and so we left. I waslike, I'm not doing this,
but I think there's a portion thatare looking for through seeking. In that
aspect, some folks are just lookingfor validation. It doesn't matter what you
say. It doesn't matter if it'sa cracked window, and that's why there's
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a breeze coming through every ten seconds. They are just looking for you to
validate what they're experiencing, not what'sactually occurring. There's other experiences where there's
drug use, and and that isboth illegal drug use and prescribed prescription drug
use, and those can both beissues, and those are all really important
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and I'm really glad you brought themup, but we're not ready to take
our next break. So we're gonnapick We're gonna pick this topic up when
we get back, so folks staywith us. I'm with Steve Dills,
Transit Paranormal out of Virginia. We'llbe right back after these messages. Welcome
back, folks. I'm with myguest night's Steve Dills. And we had
to break there really on I thoughtan important topic. And you were talking
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about discernment here, determining what typeof situation you're stepping into. And you
talked about safety, you know,of the of the location, the condition
of the of the resident, thehome or or the representative. However,
and I and that's a tough question. Isn't just to try and find out
if there's any kind of legal orprescribed drug use in the place that could
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cause an issue. Have you everhad any have you ever had any problem?
Was discussing that with folks. Ohyeah, we had another case where
we went out and this this couple, you know, brought us into their
home and they're sharing all of theseexperiences that they're having, right and and
that's great. You know, we'rewe're gonna get ready to investigate. And
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he's like, oh, by theway, you know, we also have
a lot of activity out in thewoods out back. And so I said,
well, why don't you, youknow, why don't you walk us
back there? And he's like,yeah, sure. So so we walked
out back, and again I'm notwhatever you want to do is whatever you
want to do, uh with withyour body, so long as you're not
hurting or harming anybody else. Butwe walk out back and there's a number
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of big trees, big trees,and behind each one of them when we
walk out further into the woods aremarijuana plants and there was a oh lord
of them. And this was stillwhen you know, it was illegal here
in Virginia. Uh and and II'm not the kind that wants to go
to jail because I was hunting ghostsand there's marijuana growing everywhere. Uh and
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so so I was like, I'msorry, we're gonna we're gonna have to
leave. Uh and and you know, I think he understood. It wasn't
it wasn't anything that we disregarded asexperiences or their experiences, but it was
something that we couldn't be there thisyou know, something like this, You
know, when you have mind alteringsubstances in play and you're also saying you're
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experiencing things, how do you discernbetween the two? And you can't?
Well said, okay, well said, so you know, you've got that,
and then you've got you know,let's say somebody is taking a number
of prescribed drugs. It is veryhard to identify, you know, Okay,
Well, these two or these threeare going to interact with each other
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in such a way that they cancause audible or visual hallucinations. And so
we actually have we we share withwith a another team here named cpr I.
We share a doctor that they haveavailable and and we can reach out
with her and say, hey,listen, you know, I need to
get in a little bit of informationon this, this, this, and
this tell me would you think?Yes, medical doctor and so and so
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she'll kind of give us some informationand say, hey, you know,
this is this is what this coulddo, this is what this you know,
based off of what they're saying,et cetera. And that gives us
a good basis of do we moveforward with the investigation. The other piece
around this is, and it canbe rough, but depression right there are
a number of states and this iswhere it's very important to know the laws
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of the state that you're investigating within. But here in Virginia, let's say
you go into a location and somebodyis depressed there. You know they're they're
you know, in a mental state, and because of the investigation, they
end up hurting or harming themselves.You can now be held liable for that,
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and there are not a lot ofpeople that realize that. I am
absolutely thrilled that you brought that up, because that is a huge bugaboo of
mine. There are so many teamsout there, and there's not a lot
of training, there's not a lotof understanding of health and psychological issues.
Unfortunately because of my profession. Yeah, you're aware of it, you know.
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But so often people will go andinvestigate homes, maybe not do the
questionnaire that you do. We dothe same thing, I might add,
and they end up causing more harmto somebody. Now, in addition to
the mere fact that these people couldbe pushed over to the and do something,
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we're also harming them. I've seenteams go in and say your problem
is solved, the issue here isgone, and six six weeks later it's
back. It's back. But theytold me it was gone, and that
can you know if somebody's already sufferingfrom depression, that can also fill them
with more hopelessness, And yes theycan and and and you know, I
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feel like it's almost false promises ina way, because you're telling somebody,
Okay, we've identified what it is. It's you know, great grandma,
you know, winning over here.But who's to say that that's accurate?
Right? And on top of that, you know, I don't know.
I feel like you're you're you're you'reputting something out there that isn't necessarily always
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true. And in a sense,you can, like you said, you
can do more harm and good.I've walked into cases where somebody already had
a team out there and for onereason or another, they stopped working with
that team and then reached out tous and and they say, okay,
well we were told that we havea demon in our house. And I'm
like, that's good, that's great. That's exactly what you want to hear
as a homeowner, because you're alreadyfreaked out, and you know what's better
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than having a demon as a roommate, So you know, things like that,
People like that. Is one ofthe big things is when we investigate
as a team, especially we goinginto residential cases, we keep all of
that to ourselves. Whatever we whateverwe think we feel in, whatever we
think we're we're we're interacting with Wekind of let the data and and what
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we get in our you know,our findings, let that lead the discussion.
And there's nothing in there where we'regoing to say, Okay, we're
dealing with something you know, evilin your home because you get to leave
at the end of the night.They don't. They have to live here,
and so you're putting people into thisthis negative position. It's really bad
spot where now they feel vulnerable,they don't want to live where they live,
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and I just I don't know,I just I think that that's a
really uh, disrespectful and I thinkreally harmful way of going about investigating.
You what do you tell your clientsyou can or can do? What do
you explain to them? We neversay so. First off, I've seen
teams claim that they can they can, you know, remove things like a
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like like a vacuum. You comein, you're like a maid service.
We do not say that. Idon't just personally my own personal beliefs,
So sorry everybody, but I don'tthink that there is any tried and true,
proven method that says, Okay,well, if I wave this sage
around, or if I open thedoors and put crystals or salt at the
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bottom of the doorways, that thatmeans that the ghosts are gone. First
off, that begs the whole question. And gosh, like I told you
before, this is a whole longthing. But what is a ghost?
Right that that is a huge,huge question, and I don't necessarily pertain
to the normal belief system. Butsecond, oh, what do you what
do you think Let's let's stop there, per second, what do you think
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this phenomenon that we call ghosts,separation spirits? What do you think it
is? What is your personal honestly, have no idea. And I feel
like a lot of people will belike, well, you don't know what
the heck. And I feel likethat is a very sane thing to say.
I don't know what it is yet, and I'll tell you why,
because I have not yet in myown personal experience, I have not had
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a a ghost walk out of awall and say, Hi, my name
is Blank. I lived you knowX and z X years ago. Here's
my information. You know, youcan find me using whatever I've not had
that. Right, we go andwe have these experiences, we have items
moving, or we have you know, an EVP, or we have a
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spike in environmental data. That's great, that's all interesting things. But that
doesn't necessarily mean that this is aperson that has once been alive and is
now dead. Like there's there's tome nothing stating that a ghost has to
be a human that is no longeralive. It could be any sorts of
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things, right, that could beanything ranging from we're all going crazy and
mad two there are uh just Imean, we're we're still learning things in
the scientific field to this day.Right, we have we're at a best
guess kind of system here, right? Could it be us, Steve?
Could it be us? Sure?Could it be that? Could it be
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the power of our untapped power ofour own mind? Sure it could be.
It could be that. It couldbe I mean, it could be
if you if you go of theidea of stone tape theory, it could
be something like that. One ofmy favorites is the idea of quantum mechanics,
which we already know is a thing. We already have quantum computers,
and and we know that objects canbe in two places in space at the
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same time, right, they can. They can maintain space into two places
at one time. Now, grantedthat is on a very microscopic level,
but that is just our understanding.We are we are still a very primitive
species, right we are. Weare uh, technology wielding monkeys. Right.
Our brains are not evolved yet,way past you know, cavemen days,
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because it takes hundreds of thousands ofyears to evolve. And so now
we've got all this technology, butwe're still driven. It's the same reason
why people are afraid of the dark. Right, I'm in my room here.
If I turn off the lights,there is nothing that I should be
afraid of. Yet my kids willwalk in and they're afraid. Why that
is? That is something that hasbeen passed down right in our DNA that
Okay, well, we're afraid ofmountain lions, we're afraid of bears attacking.
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Well, there's no bears or mountainlions in my room here in Virginia.
And I mean, granted, ifthere were, there'd be a problem,
but there are not. And soit's to me it's difficult to say
this is what it is, right, because that is a very definitive statement,
and I don't think that there's enoughdata to say, yeah, that
is that is this, this isyour grandmother. I think that it could
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be anything from parallel dimensions to youknow, extra dimensional. Right, we're
three mensal creatures, well technically forif you consider time, but that's more
of a vector. And so who'sto say that there's not extra dimensions if
you if you go the rout ofstring theory, right, which denotes anything
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upwards from twenty one to twenty threedimensions. And we're not talking about Marvel
cinematic universe dimensions here. We're talkingabout, you know, things that we
are experiencing, our own physics,our own you know, physics of the
universe that we just don't quite understandyet or we can't grasp currently. And
I can already tell we're not goingto get into the details equipment that we're
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like, so, yeah, butthe mere fact that this field, and
some people don't even like to usethat term field, but this this study
of the paranormal. Yeah, we'vegot equipment that have maybe a few more
lights on it, a few morenoise makers, but essentially our equipment hasn't
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changed in twenty years when you reallythink about it, and you were just
discussing about our intellectual movement forward andthe things that we're discovering. Is the
equipment really going to be the answeror is it going to be the return
of a more natural view? Oram I making Do you see what I'm
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saying? I think the equipment Alot of the equipment today and not to
not to bash anybody, I loveeveryone, but I think a lot of
the equipment today is the same thingas like text messaging. It's instant gratification.
And so we see everything from EMAPdetectors that are unshielded picking up everyone's
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cell phones as they get notifications ontheir phone. Uh and and they're going
off and now that's paranormal activity tocat balls and my team knows how much
I love cat ball, I don't. That's sarcasm and them going off and
that signifying that, oh, yes, a grown dead adult wants to play
with a cat ball on the groundand that is their desire is to play
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and kick that thing around on thatthought on the catwell thought, it's time
to take our last break. We'regoing to pick this up on the other
side though, So stay with us, folks, very intriguing conversation, a
little bit eye opening. Stay withus. We'll be right back, and
we're back folks for our last segmenthere tonight. Before we do a little
bit of housekeeping, I want toand find anybody who'd like to learn a
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little bit more more about my organization. You can check us out at Paranormal
FBI dot com or Indian Riverhauntings dotcom. And you can also get us
on Facebook at Indian River Hauntings orFlorida Bureau of Paranormal Investigation. We have
a YouTube channel at Indian River Hauntingstwo three four one if you'd like to
see some of the stuff that we'vedone, and you can also email me
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here at the X Zone if yougot questions, thoughts, or comments,
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And I would be remissed not toinvite you to look at all the other
great programming on the xone radio andTV network, and you can check those
out by going to x ZBN dotdot net to see all the great programming
on the station. And Steve,if you can take a second to tell
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folks how they can find you ifthey have questions, thoughts or yeah,
some of your shows. So youcan find me on Facebook Steve Dills.
You can also find me Transcend Paranormal, trans Panormal dot com and we're on
all of the social media as TranscendParanormal. You can also find myself and
my co host Chris Vaughan. Wehave a little kind of a comedic approach
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to the paranormal called Erie Encounters,and that's on Facebook as well as YouTube
or Encounters. And then lastly,on kind of my serious approach to the
paranormal, I am on the televisionshow The Ghost Finders. You can find
us on the Ghostfinders dot com aswell as on Facebook, and you can
find those episodes on the Spirit Channel, on Roku devices and on the internet
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now just recently as well as onparaflex. So excellent, and I want
to get into that a little bitmore just a second, but I want
to kind of wrap this this discussionup about where we're going with equipment and
where the future lies with that equipment. Are we ever going to get any
better at it? I mean,when it comes to developing equipment, do
you see us ever reaching a pointwhere something developed by us actually works.
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I definitively, I think so.And the reason I say this is because
I'm like I said, I callit the blinky light things, and I'm
not a huge fan of the blinkylight stuff. I think from the instant
gratification, sure it's exciting. However, I think that if we were to
turn our focus away from you know, what is going on immediately and having
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the immediate response and saying over aperiod of time, what are we experiencing?
Uh, and using data laggers,I think that is where we're going
to find some interesting data. Ithink that's where we're going to find interesting
details. Talk to me about dataloggers? What do you what? What
do you mean by that? Yeah? So so environmental data laggers I I
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own and I love the d Iplus. That's my favorite piece of equipment.
Actually, it's great and and thereare other data laggers, so don't
don't you know, don't feel folkslike, you know, if you want
to get into looking at the environmentaldata, that you have to go that
route, because I know that alot of times they're they're sold out.
The thing I love about the edI plus is it is an entry into
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data logging. It is not veryexpensive. There are some very expensive data
loggers, uh and and the edI plus is a very inexpensive way to
get started. So I do loveit because of that. I think it's
very interesting when you set one ofthose things down, you don't you don't
pick it up and move it.I've seen people moving and carrying them around
everywhere. But looking at things likegeometric pressure, you know, temperature,
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if there's anything's moving, humidity,you know, looking at all of these
things across the evening and saying,okay, we have a spike here,
here, here, and then goingback in your data and your video recordings,
audio recordings, did I experiencing anyDid I experience anything at that moment
in time? And I think that, to me is where we're going to
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find a little bit more of theset in stone kind of Okay, this
is an almost behavior, this isnot normal for this environment, and that
could be good. No, let'ssay, the best thing about the EDI
I think we need to bring upis you put an SD card in it,
and you put it in, youhit recording, and you can even
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have an experience yourself. You heara you get an e VP, you
hear a voice, something moves.But then you can go back and look
at the at the data and seeat that same time, maybe the temperature
dropped, maybe there was a vibrationcorrelating data. Okay, and and that
is something that you know, again, I'll throw cpii's name out there,
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great folks, very very scientific driven. And one of the interesting things that
they have found and then we've beenfinding following up on their research, is
spikes in barometric pressure as well asspikes and ionizing radiation immediately during, prior
or immediately after some sort of preternaturalactivity, some sort of anomalistic behavior in
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the environment. And that can beanything from hearing footsteps and EVP whatever.
Right, but we're seeing spikes insomething in the environment, and to me,
that is that's wildly interesting. Youknow, I love history. I
love taking things from a historical standpoint. However, to seeing the data on
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this and saying, okay, wellwe heard footsteps and at the same time
we're seeing a spike in ionizing radiation, that is wild like that is something.
Now I have something tangible, Ican pick that exact hold it,
I can look at it, andI can say, look, I got
a data point that says this shouldn'thappen. We shouldn't see, you know,
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ionizing radiation of this magnitude on thesecond floor of a building where the
base reading is five. You knowyou should not see that. And now
here we are, and for onesecond you stood there. You probably could
no longer have kids. But butthe point still stands. And and you
know, we've to that effect ofgoing back and going back and going back
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and trying these things. We've investigatedsome of these locations for well over twelve
years where we've we've set up thedate of the equipment the same way to
see did we get false reports?Is this something that we can reproduce?
Is this something that you know,what the the equipment was buggy that night
or something. And it's intant.I mean there are nights where we'll get
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one or two spikes, nights wherewe'll get nothing. But it's always interesting
because it tends to be and tendsto be around when an experience, you
know, something anomalists is occurring inthe environment. And and to me,
that's where I see progress can bemade is utilizing try it and true actual
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scientific approach. Now that does notmean that you know, I'm a firm
believer that there's more than one wayis going to cap and I don't want
to discredit or discount anybody. Soif there are folks that are mediums or
psychics, granted there's a small subsetof people that I feel like may be
gifted in that, but I don'tI take everything with a grant of salt.
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And so, you know, someof the interesting things that I'd love
to see and some of the thingsthat we've discussed as a team is okay,
when when you are you know,going through that mediumship, when you're
going through that and you're picking upinformation or whatnot? First off, not
just taking that oh yeah, itis little jimmy, But can we find
historical context on this? Does thismake sense with the with the location?
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If not, what exactly is thisthere picking up? Is this just you
know, for lack of a betterterm, junk. But then secondly,
what's going on in the environment aroundthem at that same time? Are we
seeing spikes in something when they're doingyou know, this performing this reading that
they're getting this information? And soyou know, a lot of people say
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that you can't apply the metaphysical becausethat is very pseudo to a scientific approach.
I think you can. It's justit is a little clunky and weird.
But I do find it very interestingwhen you when you take the experiences
that folks have had from from thatside of the field, take the science
and the history, and look atthem all across the board, and say,
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okay, well that's interesting because youknow, we did have a and
I'm gonna take this from the tavernof Cleaver's Chisholm here, somebody got the
name Clive and that's what he usedto go by as his nickname. And
we also saw a spike in youknow, barometric pressure at the same time
that that they're starting to pick thisstuff up. To me like, if
I can, if I can lookat that a whole across the board,
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it's interesting. So and I agree, And yes, it's tough to apply
the scientific method to what we do, but I think by working together we
can find a way to do that. And that's that's where we have to
go. So into this next question, then, how do we police ourselves?
How do we get to the pointwhere we're all on the same page.
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We're all that doesn't mean we haveto have different philosophies. That doesn't
mean, we have to we haveto be all robots, but we've got
to have some sort of foundation.We've also got to get rid of the
frauds, the charlatans, the peoplethat even don't intend to hurt somebody,
but they do because of how theyhandle them. How do we please ourselves?
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Steve Dills, That is a greatquestion, That's a million dollar question.
I am I I am not sure. I wish I had an answer
on how do we make sure thatyou know and and not like you said
something that where you know everybody mustdo this, you must take off your
shoes, you must turn left threetimes, be where you enter the building.
But to the point that we standardizethe data so that it's not not
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necessarily the data, but how wecollect that. And and I think by
to me, it's just sharing knowledge. I think I've seen tons of teams
and tons of of individuals will wherewhere they'll they'll have some sort of piece
of information right and they'll be like, well, this is my piece of
information. I'm gonna hold this overhere away from everybody, and I'm not
I'm not gonna tell anybody about this, but it could benefit everybody, But
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I don't care it's mine. Ithink that is is harmful. I think
it's intrimental. And I think youknow, it's the same. It's the
same thing as to me. Whereyou you you say, well, I'm
valuable at my job because I'm theonly one that knows how to do it,
because I haven't taught anybody else howto do it. That's not true.
And you can be easily replaced.Uh. And and I think that
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we need to get away from youknow, set egos, side, set
aside all of that stuff and thatmuck and say, hey, listen,
this is interesting. Everybody take alook at this. We also as a
whole need to be open to discussion. There's a lot of people that will
claim up immediately when you say,you know what, I think that that's
actually dust or I think that that'sa spider very close to the lens and
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and I'm referring to like ring cameras. But there are people that that just
they want to believe regardless of ifit's true or not. Regardless of if
that is dust, right, thatis mould or mildew or whatever, it
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does not matter. They will notlisten to you because this is what they
want to believe. This is whatthey need to believe. And we've got
that on both sides, don't we. We've got some folks that even the
size bump is Aunt Gertrude coming backto visit, and you can't convince them
otherwise. And you've got other folks, how I like to describe it of
a blink and came down, pulledout a chair, sat down, said
you described the drawlier as sort ofmy name's Abe, and this is where
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I'm at, and this is whathappened to the side, and here I
am. Even if it happened tosomebody right and from they wouldn't believe it
either. So we've got it onboth sides, and we've got to come
together because nobody can deny something's happening. Yes, And I think that's the
thing is is you look back generationsafter generations after generations after generations, hundreds
of thousands of years, and yousee that these experiences are shared, right,
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These things are shared, and they'renot shared in the sense that you
know, somebody had this experience overhere and they wrote it down and send
it over here. Now these peopleare having experiences all across the world that
are very similar in activity and Ithink the sooner that we're more open to
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sharing information and knowledge and also youknow, being honest and truthful with ourselves
and question what are we experiencing?Are we when we walk into locations.
A lot of people don't realize thatsome of these older locations that we're walking
into. As much as we lovethese historical locations, we are already building
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a pre pre bias. We're settingourselves up to experience we are right.
And with that, my friend,that's a great Unfortunately we got to come
and put it in, but that'sa great way to end it. Come
back next time. Oh yeah,come back next time. It's been an
interesting conversation. I want to thankyou very much for joining us tonight.
Thank you, and and folks,thank you for joining us. And I
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want to take one second to remindeverybody of something. There's a lot going
on in the world today, andwe got to keep all of this in
perspective. Please help one another,Please be kind to one another, hug
your kids, love your family,because folks, that's where it's at.
But keep all of this in perspectiveand understand the world that's going on around
us is a tough place, rightnow, so with that, take care,
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have a great night, and we'llsee you on the other side.
Good Night all,
Welcome to the Paranormal Stakeout Radio TVshow with Larry Lawson. As a former
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and training, Larry also and keepsan open mind to discussions on topics that
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host of the Paranormal Steakhout Radio TVshow Larry Lawson. Good evening, everyone,
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and welcome back to Paranormal Steakout.I'm your host, Larry Lawson,
coming to you from the headquarters ofthe Florida Bureau of Paranormal Investigation and Indian
River Hautings in beautiful Buero Beach,Florida, just a stones throw south of
Cape Canaveral, where we're seeing rocketsgo up every day. Maybe that's why
we get so many UFO reports fromaround here, But that's not what we're
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going to talk tonight. I've gota great show in store for you.
I've got a mister Steve deals withus. Steve as a seasoned paranormal investigator
with over a decade of experience,and his journey began into the unknown began
at a really, really young age. As a young child, he was
often disrupted at night in his sleepwith things that were happening that defied explanation.
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In about twenty ten, Steve andsome of his colleagues put together a
team called Transcend Paranormal, which isan investigative team dedicated to exploring and understanding
natural phenomenon. Now, in additionto that, they are also involved in
a lot of historical restoration and eventsto help contribute to those historical buildings in
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their area. He's also you'll seehim on several TV shows on the YouTube.
Ghost Finders and Eerie Encounters are acouple of them. But what really
sets him apart as the scientific approachthat he takes to his paranormal investigations.
You know me, that's where Ilike to go. I want I want
them a cop and I like thingsto be scientific in their methodology. But
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we're going to talk about that tonightbecause even my philosophy is changing. It
dead. But with that, I'dlike to introduce Steve dill Is to Paranormal
Stakeout. Steve, Welcome to theshow. Hey, Larry, thank you
for having me. Yeah, sohow's everything up there in Virginia. It's
going, uh wet. We've hada bunch of rain, so it's it's
very wet and soggy, but GagaBlaine, we're getting into spring. Yeah,
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that's and it's even strung a raina little bit around here. Also.
So you've been into this business,paranormal research, investigative world for about
ten years. Tell my audience alittle bit about your background, how you
got here and what significant events reallymolded what you are today. Yeah.
So so the biggest thing that thatkind of I guess drove me to the
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paranormal was my childhood. You know, I was, I grew up right
outside of Philadelphia, and uh ongosh, I was young. But one
of my birthdays we we up andmoved here to Virginia. My father had
a job opportunity that he could notpass up. And uh and and so
you know how that goes, all, you know, we all went.
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And so I remember being very depressed, you know, anxious even and even
as a child, I was likeall of my friends, my family,
everything, I know, my entireworld is now going to be way over
here, out of my reach.And you know, this was a time
when uh, you know, emailwas just coming about and everybody had their
their Aol email accounts, and soyou know, I didn't really have a
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way to communicate with my friends likeyou do today, right, you can
you can reach out and paying somebodyhalf across the world. I didn't have
any of that, and that kindof I guess put me into this spot
where where I felt very anxious,depressed, scared, right, And so
we moved into this house U andwe were there for only two years,
as my mother likes to put it, two years too long, but almost
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instantaneously activity starts occurring. I'm wakingup to my name being whispered in my
ear, and that progresses to beingyelled and screamed into my ear, which
was very terrifying as a child,having my bedroom and my closet doors open
and closed on themselves, having objectsmove around, and it wasn't just my
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bedroom, it was the entire house, but for whatever reason, it seemed
to want to stem or kind ofculminate in this portion of our house,
my room. Of course, whereelse should it be? And so you
know that that just kind of havingall these experiences as a kid got me
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into the field because I was Iwas terrified. I was terrified to go
home. I was terrified. Iwanted to stay at school. And that's
like, your home is supposed tobe your sae place, right, You're
you're, you're yes, But whenyou're going home and you're seeing doppelgangers of
family pets, having having things movedaround the house, or watching you know,
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shadows or in one case, thisthis massive orb which is very odd.
And I'm not saying like on acamera like like all the dust that
people, Yes, it was aboutthe size of a basketball. Uh uh
float into the room? Uh thatthat that I was like, I'm done.
Like that scared me and so thesethings like it just I guess it
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just kind of ignited a flame,right I was. I was. It
wasn't something I was aware of priorall of these things started occurring to to
myself and to happen up in Philadelphiaat all. Nope, just this out
and so no, go ahead,are you well? One question I got
to ask, and I'm sure you'veyou've had this question set to you a
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couple of times. You obviously experiencequite the trauma for young I'm assuming what
you were five, six, sevenyears old right in that? Yeah,
it is young. Okay, themove that and that's traumatic. I totally
get that. Can you can youequate that emotional trauma is maybe something that
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triggered it or might be the foundationfor what happened at all? Have you
ever looked at that at all?That is so that's actually why I say
that, because I'm a firm believerthat if you are going to go into
a location to investigate, you shouldn'tbe feeling depressed or anxiety induced. If
you're feeling these feelings, you shouldprobably take a break because if you I
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feel like what you put into thefield is what you get out. What
you put into investigating is that youget out. And so when you when
you go in and you're feeling anxietydepressed, you're feeling all these negative emotions,
you're gonna have sort of experience thatis more negativingly inclined. Now is
that meaning? Is that something that'shappening out here in the world around us
or right here? Not sure.I think it's a mix of both.
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And so so I think that aportion of what was going on was me
creating some of these experiences, someof these things right like like, I'm
already in this bad space, andso things that I'm experiencing I'm already gonna
interpret as negative right now. Onthe flip side, I also feel like
that can stem things that that canyou know, kind of stir the pod
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a little bit and say, hey, you know, I'm over here,
how's it going. And so,you know, not only was I having
experiences my mother, everybody except myfather, because my father was like,
I don't see anything, and soand it wasn't until after we moved out
of the house that he finally openedup and he's like, yeah, there
was some weird experiences. And I'mlike, okay, so you were't the
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only one experiencing these things. No, no, okay, okay. And
you know, you go back tosome of the theories of poltergeist and that
being young, young ladies in particularat a certain age tends their their energy
tends to create these situations. Soundslike that may have been part of what
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was happening with you. I thinkit's possible. I think because of the
mindset that I was in, Ithink it's very very plausible idea. I
wish I could go back and testit and be like, all right,
let's see. But I think thatit was a mix of you know,
there were other things going on inthe house, mix that in with kind
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of my own headspace, and it'slike, all right, perfect storm.
And then as a young as ayoung child, you know, it's almost
impossible to discern between one or theother because you have no idea. Right
now, now we are able tolook back and say, oh, you
know what, I think that's amix of this or it could have been
this or could have been that,and put some something more tangible around it.
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But as a kid, oh mygod, I was. I was,
absolutely the house was horrific. Irefused to be in there by myself.
It was it was wild. Wasthere a history to the house?
So the house was newly built thehouse the house was just built. It
was one of the last remaining housesin the neighborhood that was just sitting there.
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Nobody had purchased it. It didhave a very very weird layout,
which I think probably kind of inpart is why it didn't get, you
know, off of the market soquickly. On the flip side, my
parents were looking for a place veryquickly to just move in so that we
could get settled into the area andthen start looking for a more permanent house.
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And so we moved in with theintention of not staying there very long.
We were there for two years,and during that time my parents had
actually had a house built on alarger piece of property, and so we
were there for just a very shortperiod of time, but it was just
enough for me to kind of likeget get that interest. Now, while
the house doesn't have any activity orany any history, the grounds you know,
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in Virginia, you can't spit withoutsitting something Civil War or even Revoir,
and so there were no battles onthat property that I was able to
locate. However, I do knowthat there was troop movement and encampments right
in that area. So it's it'spossible that you know, it's something from
that that time period. It's it'sdifficult because I've not had access to go
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back, and I'm also not I'mnot going to go knock on their door
and be like, hey, listen, I grew up you as a kid.
Your house is absolutely like can Icome in? They probably call the
cops on me. But I thinkthat it is tied to if there's anything
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that's that's actively there. I thinkit's tied to the land and just what
occurred there too, because this was, you know, this was some low
land and so when they started developingit, they came in and just dumped
dirt everywhere and then build the housesof big, massive neighborhoods. So,
and I agree with you. Ithink that's something a lot of folks in
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the paranormal research field they tend toforget. Oftentimes it's the land, not
the building. Itself and we're somethingthat was there prior. And I liked
your ability to discern and able tolook at emotional triggers as well as possible
paranormal activity and looking to be ableto separate the two. And you said
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something that was really interesting and Iwant to get into this lady in the
show, and that's repeating it.And I noticed in your res you you
try to use scientific methods to substantiateevidence. Well, the biggest problem we
have in the field today is beingable to repeat it and sticking truly with
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a scientific method, and that's ahuge issue. So I don't want to
I don't I don't want to gettoo far ahead of this. I got
lots to talk about. So dothe experience you had, the experience as
a child, It continued on,I'm assuming even after you left the house.
Nope, nope, we moved outof the house. Absolutely more activity,
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but it was it was enough,And so I I guess lost that
fear after a while, and itturned into fascination, and it turned into
why did that happen to me?You know, why did that happen here?
Why did that happen to me?How did it happen? What is
this? And so I took thatand I, you know, some of
the very early TV shows on paranormalwere coming out. This is before ghost
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Hunters all this sort of stuff,and so I started doing my own digging
and diving, and you know,finally grew to the age that I was
able to get a car and Imoved out and again of college, and
that's that's when I started hitting theroad. You know, I well that
that's uh. And I got tocut you off here because we're a not
ready to take our first break.Goes quick. But when you get back
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and we're talking a little bit moreabout how how you developed yourself and trained
yourself in the field. So,folks, Steve Dill's from Transcend Paranormal,
interesting conversations, Stay tuned. Willbe back after these messages and we are
back on paranormal stakeout with my guesttonight, Steve Dill's from Transcend Paranormal up
in Richmond, Virginia. Steve,getting back into back into your background.
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I appreciate you talking about it becauseI don't think I think a lot of
people have things that occur to themand they don't like talking about it.
They don't like telling other people.And I think when that occurs, when
people do talk about it, theystart to feel better and opened up themselves.
Myself, I did not have myfirst experience until I was in law
enforcement. Oddly enough, I hada Yeah, my mom was was very
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in tune with strange occurrences, butit wasn't anything I experienced until after I
was in a law enforcement But alot so many folks have that experience that
you did as a child now inthese experiences in your home, and don't
need to go in to detail ifyou don't want to, but were you
ever touched or physically harmed at all? I had one experience that I can
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remember, and I wasn't hurt,but it was something that to me was
I guess being told this story wassignificant. I was, you know,
sleeping in bed and as as parentsdo, they come in in the morning
to get you up and get youready for school. You know, I'm
going to get up and I rememberfor somethinking like when my mother used to
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wake me up, she had thishorrible song. So if you're watching mom,
it was a great song, butshe she'd opened the door and internal
lights and this particular morning instead ofseeing me lying on the bed or in
the bed. There was a giantposter. It was one of those posters
that you you know, you wouldyou would enclose you you know, put
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the plastic casing on it and everything, and that hung over my bed and
it was just you know, sometypical boy stuff. It had a baseball
bat and I think a pair ofroller blades and a soccer ball, you
know, just like kid stuff.And somehow, at some point in the
evening it fell onto me, butnot in such a way and I was
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just in a single twin bed,nothing massive, so so this would have
been the perfect balancing act, right, But the way that it fell it
actually was face up when when itlanded on me. So somehow, and
this was just on a single nail, somehow it lifted off of the nail,
the wire came up enough and thenwhen it fell it fell like if
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this is the front of the thepicture, It felt like this, so
that the top of the picture wason my head and it was facing upwards,
so that when she walked in shesaw the baseball bat and the you
know all the you and you wereto wake Nope, I was asleep.
So so somehow the nail was stillin the wall, and this poster had
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made its way onto me without wakingme up. Can one would presume that
if it was you had something fallon you, you'd probably wake up.
And that was a very weird experience. Was the nail still in the wall?
So okay, okay, yep.And so so that was something that
you know, obviously I was asleep, so I didn't I wasn't aware of
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it. But this is something likeas I got older, my mother told
me, she's like, you know, this is really weird, but let
me share this with you. Andand so, you know, she kind
of dismissed it, didn't say anythingto me that that particular day because she
don't want me scared. I wasalready terrified of the house. But uh,
she she kind of held it fora little bit and then finally shared
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it, and it was it waslike just lined up with all the other
weird experiences in that house. Andand ultimately, like I said that,
that kind of drove my you knowwhy, and I knew that I wanted
to get into the field. Youknow, I had to wait until I
was in college kind of on myown where you know, my parents didn't
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know that I was out until allhours of the night investigating and and granted
I wasn't drinking, so I guessthat's that's something, right. But you
know, I was able to takemyself and go and start experiencing locations and
investigating on my own. And that'sthat's when, you know, after doing
this for a year or so andinvestigating with tons of random folks that I
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didn't know, I finally realized,like, you know, if I'm going
to do this seriously, I needto I need to have a team of
people that kind of have the samethoughts and ideas, and we'll have each
other's backs and we can support eachother and do this in a way that
we can use are our experiences,right, our our scars to help other
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people, because that's what I wantedto do. The ultimate goal was to
help other folks and make sure otherpeople don't feel like their home is a
place of fear. And that's that'sa big reason that I got into it.
So how did you pick? Howdid you pick these folks? How
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did you pick these folks to becomepart of Transit twenty ten? I believe
so you've been doing it for awhile so, so we actually investigated in
this group called the Richmond Paranormal Society, and at that time it had been
formed and there was thousands of peoplein this group. It was a meet
up group if you ever used meetup way back in the day, and
so, uh it was. Itwas basically this massive group of anybody and
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everybody that was, you know,interested in the paranormal. Uh, dark
tourists and I called dark tourism likefolks that like go and ghost towards and
all that sort of stuff, anythingfrom people that you know, have been
investigating already. It was a massivegroup. And so let's say they found
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a place that they wanted to investigate, you know, somebody would line it
up and then they'd say, okay, the first ten people they posted out
in this group first time people thatreply ge to go. And I work
in it, so I'm always onthe computer. So I had a fairly
good chance of being one of thosefolks. And so I started doing these
investigations and we'd had to a fewdifferent locations around here, and I very
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quickly realized that every single time Iwould be investigating with sometimes some of the
same people, some of the samefolks but then more often than not,
it was just be random people thatI had never met and I probably wouldn't
see again. And I realized thatif I'm going to go into a space
and it's pitch black, I can'tsee anybody around me, I probably should
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do so with people that I know. And so after kind of chatting with
some of the folks on these investigationsand some of the people that I had
seen, you know, kind ofrecurring, we decided, hey, you
know what, we're gonna We're gonnado our own thing. And there was
just four of us and we decidedwe're gonna we're gonna take off. We're
going to start investigating in ourselves andbuild kind of some solidity around this.
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And we did that actually in twothousand and seven, two thousand and seven,
two thousand and eight. So therewas a couple of years prior where
we were just kind of doing ourown thing and we didn't really have a
team per se. We were justus just doing, you know, going
to places. And then you know, twenty ten, we're like, you
know, let's just make it official. Let's you know, if we're going
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to do this like we've been doingthis. We worked together, well,
let's do this, and so that'swhen we kind of formed the team,
and then we've been growing ever since. We're we're close to like thirty members
now, which is a little crazy. It's a big team, but we're
all adults and everybody is here witha shared goal, which is really nice,
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and so we all get along andwork, you know, work towards
our mission of helping folks and helpinghistorical locations. So you put this team
to the thirties, a big crew. I've got about twelve, and sometimes
that can get a little unwilling.But there's a lot of folks that listen
to this show that have an interestin doing research. Many of them are
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very serious about it. Some arewhat I like to refer to as paranormal
thrill seekers, folks that just liketo go out hear the bump in the
night. But all of them havea good heart that that we deal with,
how do you how do you trainyourself become more professional? And then
I want to kind of move intowhat your methodology is, how you investigate.
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Yeah, let's start off by talkingabout how you how you train your
members. So it's a very interestingtopic because a lot of times when when
teams start out and they're very fresh, you kind of stumble around a lot.
One of the big things that thatwe talk about and now we operate
as a team is acting in sucha way that it's it's a business.
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We are not a business. Thisis a passion. This is a huge
hobby of passion. Right. Noneof us make money. We lose money.
We throw it into into travel andgas and hotel stays. But we
try to act professional in a sensethat this is how we would operate if
we are in an office space,you charge, do you charge for an
investigation? Okay? No, no, no, never, never, never,
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And so you know, we wewe say, okay, you know,
obviously some of the some of theeasy things, we're not swearing,
we're not talking about politics, oneof these sorts of things. But then
we also kind of have these teaminvestigations or team building sessions where we'll go
into a location. We've got afew home quote unquote home locations that will
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investigate, and when we go there, we work together as a team to
kind of just I guess, standardizeand formalize how we engage, you know,
whether it's it's a client, whetherit's the public on a public investigation.
And so some of the things thatwe do is you know, and
and we didn't start off with this. To be very clear that it took
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some some tild by fire and learningfrom from getting burned on some things.
But extend excuse me, extensive clientinterviews, right, and that's that's for
historical locations as well as private residences. So we have a very strenuous uh
and and I hate to use thatword, but it is. It's a
lot more lengthy than a lot ofthe teams I've seen interview process. You
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know, it's not like, Okay, hey, listen, we think we
have ten ghosts at our house.We need you to come over. A
lot of people like we'll be rightthere. We're like, all right,
hold up, let's talk about this. And so we have a very lengthy
process of interviewing before we even stepfoot on the property. Why why tell
us why? I think people needto hear this great question because you don't
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want to get caught with your pantsdown. I think it is a very
safe place. The way to saythat when you get on site for some
of these locations, Uh, it'snot always safe. It's not always safe
for you it's not always safe foryour team members. And and there's a
few different ways that that can beunsafe. The majority of it is human
people, other folks. One ofthe one of the things that we're always
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looking for when we when we performthese interviews is people that are thrill seeking
and and I'm not in the sameway that some of your viewers are,
but I'm talking about We had oneparticular case where we went out, uh
and and I love using this asan example. We went out, knocked
on the door. The homeowner greetedus with a glass of wine. She's
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like, she's already standing there,she got a glass on wine on her
hand. She's like, hey,how's it going. We're like, you
know, good, we're here toinvestigate. She invites us in and we
walk in and there's about four orfive other women sitting at a kitchen table
right off to the left hand side. They've all got a couple of bottles
of wine. They're all drinking.They're having a good time. And she's
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like, Okay, is this allof you? And I said yeah.
She's like, well, what timedo the camera crews get here? And
I said, excuse me, whatdo you what do you mean. She's
like, well, you guys,you know do ghosts, right, And
I said, well, yeah,that's what we're here for. And she's
like yeah, but when you know, when are the TV folks going to
get here? One of the camera'sgoing to get here, you know.
I hope you don't mind. Ibrought some some of my friends over because
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they wanted to see you guys,you know, film and do this.
And I was like, I'm sorry, I think you get the wrong idea,
and so we left. I waslike, I'm not doing this,
but I think there's a portion thatare looking for through seeking. In that
aspect, some folks are just lookingfor validation. It doesn't matter what you
say. It doesn't matter if it'sa cracked window, and that's why there's
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a breeze coming through every ten seconds. They are just looking for you to
validate what they're experiencing, not what'sactually occurring. There's other experiences where there's
drug use, and and that isboth illegal drug use and prescribed prescription drug
use, and those can both beissues, and those are all really important
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and I'm really glad you brought themup, but we're not ready to take
our next break. So we're gonnapick We're gonna pick this topic up when
we get back, so folks staywith us. I'm with Steve Dills,
Transit Paranormal out of Virginia. We'llbe right back after these messages. Welcome
back, folks. I'm with myguest night's Steve Dills. And we had
to break there really on I thoughtan important topic. And you were talking
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about discernment here, determining what typeof situation you're stepping into. And you
talked about safety, you know,of the of the location, the condition
of the of the resident, thehome or or the representative. However,
and I and that's a tough question. Isn't just to try and find out
if there's any kind of legal orprescribed drug use in the place that could
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cause an issue. Have you everhad any have you ever had any problem?
Was discussing that with folks. Ohyeah, we had another case where
we went out and this this couple, you know, brought us into their
home and they're sharing all of theseexperiences that they're having, right and and
that's great. You know, we'rewe're gonna get ready to investigate. And
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he's like, oh, by theway, you know, we also have
a lot of activity out in thewoods out back. And so I said,
well, why don't you, youknow, why don't you walk us
back there? And he's like,yeah, sure. So so we walked
out back, and again I'm notwhatever you want to do is whatever you
want to do, uh with withyour body, so long as you're not
hurting or harming anybody else. Butwe walk out back and there's a number
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of big trees, big trees,and behind each one of them when we
walk out further into the woods aremarijuana plants and there was a oh lord
of them. And this was stillwhen you know, it was illegal here
in Virginia. Uh and and II'm not the kind that wants to go
to jail because I was hunting ghostsand there's marijuana growing everywhere. Uh and
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so so I was like, I'msorry, we're gonna we're gonna have to
leave. Uh and and you know, I think he understood. It wasn't
it wasn't anything that we disregarded asexperiences or their experiences, but it was
something that we couldn't be there thisyou know, something like this, You
know, when you have mind alteringsubstances in play and you're also saying you're
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experiencing things, how do you discernbetween the two? And you can't?
Well said, okay, well said, so you know, you've got that,
and then you've got you know,let's say somebody is taking a number
of prescribed drugs. It is veryhard to identify, you know, Okay,
Well, these two or these threeare going to interact with each other
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in such a way that they cancause audible or visual hallucinations. And so
we actually have we we share withwith a another team here named cpr I.
We share a doctor that they haveavailable and and we can reach out
with her and say, hey,listen, you know, I need to
get in a little bit of informationon this, this, this, and
this tell me would you think?Yes, medical doctor and so and so
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she'll kind of give us some informationand say, hey, you know,
this is this is what this coulddo, this is what this you know,
based off of what they're saying,et cetera. And that gives us
a good basis of do we moveforward with the investigation. The other piece
around this is, and it canbe rough, but depression right there are
a number of states and this iswhere it's very important to know the laws
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of the state that you're investigating within. But here in Virginia, let's say
you go into a location and somebodyis depressed there. You know they're they're
you know, in a mental state, and because of the investigation, they
end up hurting or harming themselves.You can now be held liable for that,
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and there are not a lot ofpeople that realize that. I am
absolutely thrilled that you brought that up, because that is a huge bugaboo of
mine. There are so many teamsout there, and there's not a lot
of training, there's not a lotof understanding of health and psychological issues.
Unfortunately because of my profession. Yeah, you're aware of it, you know.
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But so often people will go andinvestigate homes, maybe not do the
questionnaire that you do. We dothe same thing, I might add,
and they end up causing more harmto somebody. Now, in addition to
the mere fact that these people couldbe pushed over to the and do something,
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we're also harming them. I've seenteams go in and say your problem
is solved, the issue here isgone, and six six weeks later it's
back. It's back. But theytold me it was gone, and that
can you know if somebody's already sufferingfrom depression, that can also fill them
with more hopelessness, And yes theycan and and and you know, I
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feel like it's almost false promises ina way, because you're telling somebody,
Okay, we've identified what it is. It's you know, great grandma,
you know, winning over here.But who's to say that that's accurate?
Right? And on top of that, you know, I don't know.
I feel like you're you're you're you'reputting something out there that isn't necessarily always
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true. And in a sense,you can, like you said, you
can do more harm and good.I've walked into cases where somebody already had
a team out there and for onereason or another, they stopped working with
that team and then reached out tous and and they say, okay,
well we were told that we havea demon in our house. And I'm
like, that's good, that's great. That's exactly what you want to hear
as a homeowner, because you're alreadyfreaked out, and you know what's better
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than having a demon as a roommate, So you know, things like that,
People like that. Is one ofthe big things is when we investigate
as a team, especially we goinginto residential cases, we keep all of
that to ourselves. Whatever we whateverwe think we feel in, whatever we
think we're we're we're interacting with Wekind of let the data and and what
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we get in our you know,our findings, let that lead the discussion.
And there's nothing in there where we'regoing to say, Okay, we're
dealing with something you know, evilin your home because you get to leave
at the end of the night.They don't. They have to live here,
and so you're putting people into thisthis negative position. It's really bad
spot where now they feel vulnerable,they don't want to live where they live,
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and I just I don't know,I just I think that that's a
really uh, disrespectful and I thinkreally harmful way of going about investigating.
You what do you tell your clientsyou can or can do? What do
you explain to them? We neversay so. First off, I've seen
teams claim that they can they can, you know, remove things like a
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like like a vacuum. You comein, you're like a maid service.
We do not say that. Idon't just personally my own personal beliefs,
So sorry everybody, but I don'tthink that there is any tried and true,
proven method that says, Okay,well, if I wave this sage
around, or if I open thedoors and put crystals or salt at the
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bottom of the doorways, that thatmeans that the ghosts are gone. First
off, that begs the whole question. And gosh, like I told you
before, this is a whole longthing. But what is a ghost?
Right that that is a huge,huge question, and I don't necessarily pertain
to the normal belief system. Butsecond, oh, what do you what
do you think Let's let's stop there, per second, what do you think
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this phenomenon that we call ghosts,separation spirits? What do you think it
is? What is your personal honestly, have no idea. And I feel
like a lot of people will belike, well, you don't know what
the heck. And I feel likethat is a very sane thing to say.
I don't know what it is yet, and I'll tell you why,
because I have not yet in myown personal experience, I have not had
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a a ghost walk out of awall and say, Hi, my name
is Blank. I lived you knowX and z X years ago. Here's
my information. You know, youcan find me using whatever I've not had
that. Right, we go andwe have these experiences, we have items
moving, or we have you know, an EVP, or we have a
(35:34):
spike in environmental data. That's great, that's all interesting things. But that
doesn't necessarily mean that this is aperson that has once been alive and is
now dead. Like there's there's tome nothing stating that a ghost has to
be a human that is no longeralive. It could be any sorts of
(35:55):
things, right, that could beanything ranging from we're all going crazy and
mad two there are uh just Imean, we're we're still learning things in
the scientific field to this day.Right, we have we're at a best
guess kind of system here, right? Could it be us, Steve?
Could it be us? Sure?Could it be that? Could it be
(36:17):
the power of our untapped power ofour own mind? Sure it could be.
It could be that. It couldbe I mean, it could be
if you if you go of theidea of stone tape theory, it could
be something like that. One ofmy favorites is the idea of quantum mechanics,
which we already know is a thing. We already have quantum computers,
and and we know that objects canbe in two places in space at the
(36:43):
same time, right, they can. They can maintain space into two places
at one time. Now, grantedthat is on a very microscopic level,
but that is just our understanding.We are we are still a very primitive
species, right we are. Weare uh, technology wielding monkeys. Right.
Our brains are not evolved yet,way past you know, cavemen days,
(37:07):
because it takes hundreds of thousands ofyears to evolve. And so now
we've got all this technology, butwe're still driven. It's the same reason
why people are afraid of the dark. Right, I'm in my room here.
If I turn off the lights,there is nothing that I should be
afraid of. Yet my kids willwalk in and they're afraid. Why that
is? That is something that hasbeen passed down right in our DNA that
Okay, well, we're afraid ofmountain lions, we're afraid of bears attacking.
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Well, there's no bears or mountainlions in my room here in Virginia.
And I mean, granted, ifthere were, there'd be a problem,
but there are not. And soit's to me it's difficult to say
this is what it is, right, because that is a very definitive statement,
and I don't think that there's enoughdata to say, yeah, that
is that is this, this isyour grandmother. I think that it could
(37:53):
be anything from parallel dimensions to youknow, extra dimensional. Right, we're
three mensal creatures, well technically forif you consider time, but that's more
of a vector. And so who'sto say that there's not extra dimensions if
you if you go the rout ofstring theory, right, which denotes anything
(38:15):
upwards from twenty one to twenty threedimensions. And we're not talking about Marvel
cinematic universe dimensions here. We're talkingabout, you know, things that we
are experiencing, our own physics,our own you know, physics of the
universe that we just don't quite understandyet or we can't grasp currently. And
I can already tell we're not goingto get into the details equipment that we're
(38:38):
like, so, yeah, butthe mere fact that this field, and
some people don't even like to usethat term field, but this this study
of the paranormal. Yeah, we'vegot equipment that have maybe a few more
lights on it, a few morenoise makers, but essentially our equipment hasn't
(38:58):
changed in twenty years when you reallythink about it, and you were just
discussing about our intellectual movement forward andthe things that we're discovering. Is the
equipment really going to be the answeror is it going to be the return
of a more natural view? Oram I making Do you see what I'm
(39:22):
saying? I think the equipment Alot of the equipment today and not to
not to bash anybody, I loveeveryone, but I think a lot of
the equipment today is the same thingas like text messaging. It's instant gratification.
And so we see everything from EMAPdetectors that are unshielded picking up everyone's
(39:51):
cell phones as they get notifications ontheir phone. Uh and and they're going
off and now that's paranormal activity tocat balls and my team knows how much
I love cat ball, I don't. That's sarcasm and them going off and
that signifying that, oh, yes, a grown dead adult wants to play
with a cat ball on the groundand that is their desire is to play
(40:14):
and kick that thing around on thatthought on the catwell thought, it's time
to take our last break. We'regoing to pick this up on the other
side though, So stay with us, folks, very intriguing conversation, a
little bit eye opening. Stay withus. We'll be right back, and
we're back folks for our last segmenthere tonight. Before we do a little
bit of housekeeping, I want toand find anybody who'd like to learn a
(40:34):
little bit more more about my organization. You can check us out at Paranormal
FBI dot com or Indian Riverhauntings dotcom. And you can also get us
on Facebook at Indian River Hauntings orFlorida Bureau of Paranormal Investigation. We have
a YouTube channel at Indian River Hauntingstwo three four one if you'd like to
see some of the stuff that we'vedone, and you can also email me
(40:57):
here at the X Zone if yougot questions, thoughts, or comments,
you get a hold of me atghost Guide, Paranormal steakoup dot org.
And I would be remissed not toinvite you to look at all the other
great programming on the xone radio andTV network, and you can check those
out by going to x ZBN dotdot net to see all the great programming
on the station. And Steve,if you can take a second to tell
(41:21):
folks how they can find you ifthey have questions, thoughts or yeah,
some of your shows. So youcan find me on Facebook Steve Dills.
You can also find me Transcend Paranormal, trans Panormal dot com and we're on
all of the social media as TranscendParanormal. You can also find myself and
my co host Chris Vaughan. Wehave a little kind of a comedic approach
(41:44):
to the paranormal called Erie Encounters,and that's on Facebook as well as YouTube
or Encounters. And then lastly,on kind of my serious approach to the
paranormal, I am on the televisionshow The Ghost Finders. You can find
us on the Ghostfinders dot com aswell as on Facebook, and you can
find those episodes on the Spirit Channel, on Roku devices and on the internet
(42:05):
now just recently as well as onparaflex. So excellent, and I want
to get into that a little bitmore just a second, but I want
to kind of wrap this this discussionup about where we're going with equipment and
where the future lies with that equipment. Are we ever going to get any
better at it? I mean,when it comes to developing equipment, do
you see us ever reaching a pointwhere something developed by us actually works.
(42:31):
I definitively, I think so.And the reason I say this is because
I'm like I said, I callit the blinky light things, and I'm
not a huge fan of the blinkylight stuff. I think from the instant
gratification, sure it's exciting. However, I think that if we were to
turn our focus away from you know, what is going on immediately and having
(42:53):
the immediate response and saying over aperiod of time, what are we experiencing?
Uh, and using data laggers,I think that is where we're going
to find some interesting data. Ithink that's where we're going to find interesting
details. Talk to me about dataloggers? What do you what? What
do you mean by that? Yeah? So so environmental data laggers I I
(43:13):
own and I love the d Iplus. That's my favorite piece of equipment.
Actually, it's great and and thereare other data laggers, so don't
don't you know, don't feel folkslike, you know, if you want
to get into looking at the environmentaldata, that you have to go that
route, because I know that alot of times they're they're sold out.
The thing I love about the edI plus is it is an entry into
(43:37):
data logging. It is not veryexpensive. There are some very expensive data
loggers, uh and and the edI plus is a very inexpensive way to
get started. So I do loveit because of that. I think it's
very interesting when you set one ofthose things down, you don't you don't
pick it up and move it.I've seen people moving and carrying them around
everywhere. But looking at things likegeometric pressure, you know, temperature,
(44:01):
if there's anything's moving, humidity,you know, looking at all of these
things across the evening and saying,okay, we have a spike here,
here, here, and then goingback in your data and your video recordings,
audio recordings, did I experiencing anyDid I experience anything at that moment
in time? And I think that, to me is where we're going to
(44:22):
find a little bit more of theset in stone kind of Okay, this
is an almost behavior, this isnot normal for this environment, and that
could be good. No, let'ssay, the best thing about the EDI
I think we need to bring upis you put an SD card in it,
and you put it in, youhit recording, and you can even
(44:42):
have an experience yourself. You heara you get an e VP, you
hear a voice, something moves.But then you can go back and look
at the at the data and seeat that same time, maybe the temperature
dropped, maybe there was a vibrationcorrelating data. Okay, and and that
is something that you know, again, I'll throw cpii's name out there,
(45:04):
great folks, very very scientific driven. And one of the interesting things that
they have found and then we've beenfinding following up on their research, is
spikes in barometric pressure as well asspikes and ionizing radiation immediately during, prior
or immediately after some sort of preternaturalactivity, some sort of anomalistic behavior in
(45:24):
the environment. And that can beanything from hearing footsteps and EVP whatever.
Right, but we're seeing spikes insomething in the environment, and to me,
that is that's wildly interesting. Youknow, I love history. I
love taking things from a historical standpoint. However, to seeing the data on
(45:46):
this and saying, okay, wellwe heard footsteps and at the same time
we're seeing a spike in ionizing radiation, that is wild like that is something.
Now I have something tangible, Ican pick that exact hold it,
I can look at it, andI can say, look, I got
a data point that says this shouldn'thappen. We shouldn't see, you know,
(46:06):
ionizing radiation of this magnitude on thesecond floor of a building where the
base reading is five. You knowyou should not see that. And now
here we are, and for onesecond you stood there. You probably could
no longer have kids. But butthe point still stands. And and you
know, we've to that effect ofgoing back and going back and going back
(46:30):
and trying these things. We've investigatedsome of these locations for well over twelve
years where we've we've set up thedate of the equipment the same way to
see did we get false reports?Is this something that we can reproduce?
Is this something that you know,what the the equipment was buggy that night
or something. And it's intant.I mean there are nights where we'll get
(46:52):
one or two spikes, nights wherewe'll get nothing. But it's always interesting
because it tends to be and tendsto be around when an experience, you
know, something anomalists is occurring inthe environment. And and to me,
that's where I see progress can bemade is utilizing try it and true actual
(47:12):
scientific approach. Now that does notmean that you know, I'm a firm
believer that there's more than one wayis going to cap and I don't want
to discredit or discount anybody. Soif there are folks that are mediums or
psychics, granted there's a small subsetof people that I feel like may be
gifted in that, but I don'tI take everything with a grant of salt.
(47:35):
And so, you know, someof the interesting things that I'd love
to see and some of the thingsthat we've discussed as a team is okay,
when when you are you know,going through that mediumship, when you're
going through that and you're picking upinformation or whatnot? First off, not
just taking that oh yeah, itis little jimmy, But can we find
historical context on this? Does thismake sense with the with the location?
(47:59):
If not, what exactly is thisthere picking up? Is this just you
know, for lack of a betterterm, junk. But then secondly,
what's going on in the environment aroundthem at that same time? Are we
seeing spikes in something when they're doingyou know, this performing this reading that
they're getting this information? And soyou know, a lot of people say
(48:19):
that you can't apply the metaphysical becausethat is very pseudo to a scientific approach.
I think you can. It's justit is a little clunky and weird.
But I do find it very interestingwhen you when you take the experiences
that folks have had from from thatside of the field, take the science
and the history, and look atthem all across the board, and say,
(48:42):
okay, well that's interesting because youknow, we did have a and
I'm gonna take this from the tavernof Cleaver's Chisholm here, somebody got the
name Clive and that's what he usedto go by as his nickname. And
we also saw a spike in youknow, barometric pressure at the same time
that that they're starting to pick thisstuff up. To me like, if
I can, if I can lookat that a whole across the board,
(49:02):
it's interesting. So and I agree, And yes, it's tough to apply
the scientific method to what we do, but I think by working together we
can find a way to do that. And that's that's where we have to
go. So into this next question, then, how do we police ourselves?
How do we get to the pointwhere we're all on the same page.
(49:28):
We're all that doesn't mean we haveto have different philosophies. That doesn't
mean, we have to we haveto be all robots, but we've got
to have some sort of foundation.We've also got to get rid of the
frauds, the charlatans, the peoplethat even don't intend to hurt somebody,
but they do because of how theyhandle them. How do we please ourselves?
(49:49):
Steve Dills, That is a greatquestion, That's a million dollar question.
I am I I am not sure. I wish I had an answer
on how do we make sure thatyou know and and not like you said
something that where you know everybody mustdo this, you must take off your
shoes, you must turn left threetimes, be where you enter the building.
But to the point that we standardizethe data so that it's not not
(50:12):
necessarily the data, but how wecollect that. And and I think by
to me, it's just sharing knowledge. I think I've seen tons of teams
and tons of of individuals will wherewhere they'll they'll have some sort of piece
of information right and they'll be like, well, this is my piece of
information. I'm gonna hold this overhere away from everybody, and I'm not
I'm not gonna tell anybody about this, but it could benefit everybody, But
(50:36):
I don't care it's mine. Ithink that is is harmful. I think
it's intrimental. And I think youknow, it's the same. It's the
same thing as to me. Whereyou you you say, well, I'm
valuable at my job because I'm theonly one that knows how to do it,
because I haven't taught anybody else howto do it. That's not true.
And you can be easily replaced.Uh. And and I think that
(50:57):
we need to get away from youknow, set egos, side, set
aside all of that stuff and thatmuck and say, hey, listen,
this is interesting. Everybody take alook at this. We also as a
whole need to be open to discussion. There's a lot of people that will
claim up immediately when you say,you know what, I think that that's
actually dust or I think that that'sa spider very close to the lens and
(51:22):
and I'm referring to like ring cameras. But there are people that that just
they want to believe regardless of ifit's true or not. Regardless of if
that is dust, right, thatis mould or mildew or whatever, it
(51:43):
does not matter. They will notlisten to you because this is what they
want to believe. This is whatthey need to believe. And we've got
that on both sides, don't we. We've got some folks that even the
size bump is Aunt Gertrude coming backto visit, and you can't convince them
otherwise. And you've got other folks, how I like to describe it of
a blink and came down, pulledout a chair, sat down, said
you described the drawlier as sort ofmy name's Abe, and this is where
(52:06):
I'm at, and this is whathappened to the side, and here I
am. Even if it happened tosomebody right and from they wouldn't believe it
either. So we've got it onboth sides, and we've got to come
together because nobody can deny something's happening. Yes, And I think that's the
thing is is you look back generationsafter generations after generations after generations, hundreds
of thousands of years, and yousee that these experiences are shared, right,
(52:31):
These things are shared, and they'renot shared in the sense that you
know, somebody had this experience overhere and they wrote it down and send
it over here. Now these peopleare having experiences all across the world that
are very similar in activity and Ithink the sooner that we're more open to
(52:52):
sharing information and knowledge and also youknow, being honest and truthful with ourselves
and question what are we experiencing?Are we when we walk into locations.
A lot of people don't realize thatsome of these older locations that we're walking
into. As much as we lovethese historical locations, we are already building
(53:13):
a pre pre bias. We're settingourselves up to experience we are right.
And with that, my friend,that's a great Unfortunately we got to come
and put it in, but that'sa great way to end it. Come
back next time. Oh yeah,come back next time. It's been an
interesting conversation. I want to thankyou very much for joining us tonight.
Thank you, and and folks,thank you for joining us. And I
(53:34):
want to take one second to remindeverybody of something. There's a lot going
on in the world today, andwe got to keep all of this in
perspective. Please help one another,Please be kind to one another, hug
your kids, love your family,because folks, that's where it's at.
But keep all of this in perspectiveand understand the world that's going on around
us is a tough place, rightnow, so with that, take care,
(53:55):
have a great night, and we'llsee you on the other side.
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