December 9, 2025 • 54 mins
Tess Tetrault is an Energy healer, and Intuitive Psychic Medium on the treasure coast of Florida who grew up on Long Island, NY. She had always seen spirits as a child, who sometimes frightened her. At the age of 12, while on a family vacation in New Hampshire, she almost drowned on a river and had a 'Near Death Experience'. This occurrence awakened her psychic gifts even more. At the age of 18 she received the gift of the Holy Spirit. Not long after that, she suffered the great loss of her soulmate while pregnant. That great tragedy, among others, has made her relatable to her clients who seek her out for help. She has continued her relationships with her deceased loved ones and is passionate in teaching others to learn the signs that their loved ones leave for them. She has also survived Cancer twice! She has studied psychic development and mediumship with the world’s most respected and well-known mediums for over 15 years. She studied past life regressions with Dr. Brian Weiss, MD. She continues her studies to this day and feels our learning is never finished. Tess enjoys stained glass and mosaics as creative outlets. She is a fulltime reader who also practices quantum energetic healing, chakra balancing, Reiki and past life regressions.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Stupid ever did that work down here in beautiful Vera Beach, Florida,
and folks got a great show for you tonight. I'm
very excited to have our guests on tonight. I think
we're going to cover some very interesting topics and for
all of my listeners down to the lower forty eight
in the US of A, I hope everybody had a
great Thanksgiving. I know I did. I had most of
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my kids here and it sure does feel better when
the kids are home, so at any rate, Tonight's guest
very Fasting test Tatro. She's an energy healer and an
intuitive psychic medium that lives right here on the Treasure
Coast of Florida near me. She also grew up in
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Long Island, and if you're from Florida, you know most
people ever from somewhere else. She's always seen spirits, especially
as a child, but when she was twelve, while in
a family vacation, she had a near death experience, almost drowning,
which enhanced her or really pick pick up her psychic abilities.
(01:05):
That tragedy, along along with a lot of others, made
her very relatable to clients who seek out her help,
and it has continued her relationships with their deceased loved
ones and his passion teaching others to learn the signs
of their loved ones. She found the Holy Spirit at
age twelve, and she's also a cancer survivor, so God
(01:25):
bless you for that one. Tests has studied, under studied
psychic development, and meetingship with some of the world's most
respected and well known mediums over the last fifteen years.
Excuse me, So with that, I'd like to welcome Tests
to my show. Hey, good to see it tonight, Tests,
and good.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
To see you too, Larry.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Interesting, interesting background. Now let's take it from the beginning.
I want my guests to kind of get to know
who Test Tatro is. And you know, like a lot
of folks from Florida, Ohio. Originally you're from New York,
but we're all Floridians now. But tell me how how
you as a young child you experienced things. So take
(02:09):
it from the beginning. Tell us about Tests.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Okay, so thanks for having me tell you about Tests.
I grew up in a very religious household. They were
devout Catholics still are. My brother's a Catholic priest for
many years on the island, and I was an mpath
in a sea of regimented people. And so I was
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always aware of the spirit world, or let's say the
metaphysical outside the physical. But you're normally rounded up. Your
parents are telling you, you know, not to pay attention.
You must be making it up or using your imagination.
And so over time, you just really want to fit in.
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You don't want to stand out, you don't want to
be different than other people, and so, and most kids
will do this, they'll just kind of hide their gifts
because they're not appropriate for family life or for the
situation you're born into. When I was twelve, we were
on a family vacation with two other families on the
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Kankamancus trail of Lake winnipe Sake. How do you even
remember that? I don't know, but that's the name of
this vacation area in the mountains in New Hampshire. And
we were body waiting in the water and that's where
the water passes over these large rocks and it's like
a natural water slide, so it's a quite it's a
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quite famous watering spot, recreational area. And somehow I wound
up in deeper water and I had a near death experience.
Meaning that my consciousness was not I had no idea
that I was across the river now from safety where
it was just woods and no one really even saw me.
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But somehow I got swept into deeper water. And in
this experience, I saw the tunnel of light I and
had no at the time, had no idea what my
body was going through. You know, I had no idea
of where I was in relation to the river. And
what happens is this watering spot or this recreational area.
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It kind of emptied into this little pool and on
the one side where the water that's closest to the
picnic area where the larger smooth rocks are, that's the
water slide park, and it empties right into this like
swimming hole. But the other half of the river that
went into the deeper water went over this waterfall that
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had boulders at the bottom that you know, you weren't.
You wouldn't have made it it had you gone over there.
And somehow my consciousness went to memories of my childhood,
like odd even odd memories and this near death experience
because I didn't go straight to a tunnel with a
light and feeling a pull there or feeling that overwhelming
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loving presence right away. I actually went to distinct memories
which I can recall, like this all happened yesterday, playing
red light green light on the neighbor's lawn with other children.
They seemed very arbitrary, like memories of such a short life.
I was only twelve when this happened. And then went
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to an earlier memory of when my parents had bought
this house on Long Island and we were I don't know,
two and four years old. My sister and I were
walking around the backyard kind of discovering our new house
and new yard, and I went to those memories, and
then from there went to the tunnel of Light, and
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I had a pretty typical near death experience. I was
aware of a greater presence there. I was well aware
of the overwhelming light that most people will feel, you know.
I think the greatest thing that people bring back from
that is that unconditional love. That's not something you feel
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very readily here, and it certainly wasn't anything I was
really that in tune to, you know, from my home upbringing.
Either it was a very judgmental household, so you were
either right or wrong, you were good or bad. It
was white and black, and that's and it, and it's
all judgment. It's all your behavior is all based, you know,
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on judgment. So so all this is going on in
my head, I have no consciousness of where I am
in the river. I have no idea that I'm in
deep water and what's actually happening to my physical body.
I was all in this mental picture in my head
and having this whole interior experience. Basically, I was told
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that it wasn't my time, and almost like a vacuum,
the whole thing just went whoop and just ended. And
then I'm looking around. Now I'm aware of where I
am in this river, close to this fall that I
wouldn't have survived. My hand's on a rock. I'm right
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next to the waterfall, but I didn't go over it.
And now I'm trying to get the attention of the
other people we were there with.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
And nobody knew you were missing yet.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
My dad was having a few beers and like he
normally did, and was flipping burgers by the grill, and
I'm yelling for him because he's the closest one I
could see. Didn't hear me, didn't see me. And then
a boy, David, from another family we traveled with. He
saw me on the other side of the river, and
then someone had to get a rope from a trunk
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and had to make this human chain across the water
in the shallow part, throw a rope out to me,
and then get me back to safety to the other side,
which was the picnic. The other side of the river
was just woods. There was nothing there. So that's that
in a nutshell and a you know, very condensed version.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Pretty sure, na twelve year old.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
I was born pretty fearless, so I can't say that
I was traumatized by the actual And I was a
good swimmer too, so it wasn't that I couldn't swim.
I think it was just the spot I was in.
It wouldn't have been survivable, and I can't say I
had so much fear. But it was funny because like,
no one had a clue, like, you know, until I
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got their attention.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Well, now you mentioned you had started seeing spirits at
a young age.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
What age was that, Oh, probably four or five. But
my joke is that I shared a bedroom with a
snoring sister for eighteen years and it was hard enough
to get a good night's sleep, So had I said,
who's the old lady by the closet. She is a
very fearful person. I was very fearless, and we never
would have slept, so I just pretended the old lady
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wasn't there. I covered my head with the covers and
went to sleep.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Then your mde ended up really enhancing your abilities from living.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
More so that, yes, but more so in a predictive manner,
because as a kid, you're never thinking about your future,
right You're living in the moment. You're living in the day.
So most of us, I guess, have more fear about
our future. I did know when my father, my grandfather,
got sick, and I did know. I knew his spirit
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had crossed. So that was more predictive in nature than
it was as a kid. You know, coming out of
that experience, that your death experience, it became more of
a knowing, I would say, and more about future events.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Interesting, now you've mentioned you're an impath, and that means
you feel you feel what other people are feeling. But
you call yourself as an intuitive psychic medium. What exactly
is the definition of an intuitive psychic medium.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
An intuitive psychic medium would be someone that uses all
their Claire's all their extrasensory perceptions, so they follow the
sixth senses of the human body. But there are psychic senses,
so Claire audience, clare sentience. Clairvoyants are knowing, are seeing.
They mimic our physical senses, but their psychic in nature,
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and they're usually connected to our energy centers, or our chakras,
which we have in the physical body. And if our
chakras are clear and energy is flowing, you know, we
can be quite receptive.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Now at the risk of coming up on our first break,
at the risk of going too far. For those that
are not familiar with the term chakra, can you explain.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
That, well, Chakras are considered vortexes or by by definition,
they're wheels of light, and they're located. We have many
in the body, but the most ones that are studied
the most are the seven main chokras of the human body.
They start at the root or at the base of
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the spine and go up and the seventh one is
above our crown, above the physical head. So there are
energy centers located in our bodies. There's you know, a rude,
a sacral, a solar, a heart, a throat, a third
eye and then the crown, and they're yeah, they're energy vortexes.
(11:38):
That we are energy beings, really, Larry, So if we
can start to think of ourselves like that, this may
make more sense to some people. But but this is
from the Sanskrit tradition, the Vedics. They believe that, you know,
we have these vorta energy vortexes located in the physical
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and when energy gets stuck in any one of these
chakra systems, it can affect our physical health.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
And with that, we've got to take our first break.
This is going to go quick. I can tell already, folks,
stay with us. I got test Tatro with us, and
we'll be back right after these messages. And we are
back when my guest test Tatroo and I can test.
Interesting story getting into this, and here you are born
into a very religious family with these gifts, and you
even mentioned that what at age eighteen you actually found
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the Holy Spirit? Tell me, so you're the Christian.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Faith at that time? Yes, I was practicing the Christian
faith because I had met a boy, my first love,
and he was going through recovery and he found really
the religion to be very beneficial in his recovery, and
so I went along with that on his behalf. I see,
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and while attending a service, I had had the proverbial
slain in the spirit experience where you actually fall to
the ground and someone's there to catch you and the spirit,
the Holy Spirit takes over. And as a result of
that occurrence, I started having the gift of tongues. Now
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some people believe that that's also prophetic in nature. Then
another gift in that religion would be, of course, you know,
interpreting those type of talks. But Larry here, I'm I'm
gonna give you a monkey runch right now. So now
I'm wondering how does that correlate to light language? Right?
(13:49):
So do you understand what light language is?
Speaker 1 (13:52):
No, explain it to.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Me, okay. So light language is a phenomenon where people
that do channeling and it not always well, it's got
to be some interstellar or interdimensional being that they're channeling.
So whether that be an angel or a guide or
perhaps another intterrestrial person right, another entity, an et entity,
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and they sound very similar, and it makes me wonder
if this, you know, speaking in tongues is really another
form of light language that now has become really prevalent
in our society with people channeling entities where these just
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these sounds come out because you really can't make sense
of the sounds. And in my experience, this has been
some kind of very strong prayer. So I'll give you
an example. One time, when my son was in high school.
He's thirty four now, he was in high school, and
he missed the bus or somehow I needed to dry
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to school. And as I'm leaving the school grounds, and
I remember this so clearly, I was just taken over
by this need to pray in tongues and I had
no idea who it was for or why I was praying,
but it was almost like a very fervent prayer like
I was really I had to pull my car over
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because I felt like I was really interceding for someone
almost life and death, and I didn't know, but I
continued until it passed after a few minutes. Then I
kind of composed myself and you know, finish my ride home.
Later on that day, I found out that my brother
in law's father had had a heart attack on the
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operating table, and I felt like that prayer was interceding
for his behalf and he did survive the surgery and lived,
you know, several more years after that. Had she not
told me that, I may not have ever known why
I was, you know, praying so hard for someone.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Kind of what I'm hearing? Do you do you see
direct connection between the practice of the Christian faith and
what you're doing now? Is that what I'm hearing?
Speaker 2 (16:14):
No, I wouldn't say. I'm not trying to draw that.
I'm not trying to draw the parallel to that. I'm
merely posing the question. Is speaking in tongues light language
of some sort.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Would that would be a connection to the Christian faith? Though?
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Yes, well, I mean speaking in tongues comes from the
Holy Spirit in a Christian church?
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Oh a bebel? Yeah, tower bebel. Yeah. How does your
parents take all of this? Tests?
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Not very good? Oh, not very good. They're still not
very good. I mean, now you know I do once
a month I meet take a group of people to
the beach and were you using the CE five app
and calling an ets? And you know they don't understand
any of that.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Yeah, well, we're going to get to that in just
a couple of couple of things. That's a that's an
interesting subject all in, None of itself. Your brother a
Catholic priest. How and I've got a particular reason for
asking this. How does he take what you do?
Speaker 2 (17:15):
He doesn't, you know, he really doesn't. Unfortunately, I'm always
been the black shape of the family, so it just
remains that way.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
The reason I ask is my uh my departed father
in law, God bless his soul, was a was a
Catholic deacon, and I always wondered how he was going
to take me me, uh, you know, looking into this field.
And I told him he looks at me. Oh, we
pray to spirits all the time. I think it's great,
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and I found it very very interesting. And I find
that the Catholic Church does tend to be a little
more tolerant depending on how you're doing this, how you're
conducting it, than some other Christian churches. I just found
that very very interesting, and I was wondering if you
had the same experience.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
So, yeah, that wasn't It wasn't widely accepted or welcomed. No,
it wasn't. I think most of us that our gift did.
We stay in the closet for quite a long time
until I guess we can't anymore.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Do you feel as though the other side just keeps
pouting on you until you finally say, Okay, I'm here.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
I give Well, you know, my gifts really opened up
in a professional way in back in like twenty twenty,
I had started studying reiki and got into a lot
of meditation. But I went into meditation for a way
of as deterring anxiety, you know. And so I went
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to like I had to meditate class at the local
library and got into meditating and met a guide right
away who's been with me ever since, very funny, has
a great sense of humor.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
And so.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Jeez, where was I going with that?
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Meeting the guy at the library and.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
He's, yep, just learning how to meditate, And started studying
reiki and twenty twenty wanting to learn hands on healing.
And I was a dental hygienis. That was my career
in New York for thirty years. And spirits started showing
up at work and I would be reading for the
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person in the chair, so you know, I'm getting tapped
on the shoulder. I'm in a glass's gloves, lab coat
and mask, and I'm all, you know, in my work
zone and someone's aunt Rose is here. You know. So
it's being tapped on the shoulder. Tell this lady in
the chair who I'm working on, that I'm Aunt Rose
and I'm here to say hi. And that's how mediumship
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opened up professionally for me, because those people in the
chair became my first clients.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
You know.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
I would give them the message while I was cleaning
their teeth, and then they would come back three months
later and say, I don't need my teeth done, I
just want to know the message. And then they became
my first clients in New York. And that's how I
got started professionally doing this twenty.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Five years ago, out of the dentist feel about you
doing that.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Oh he loved it because they were paying clients and
they were still paying for their visit and he didn't mind,
and he was open to it. I actually read for
him at one point, and he had a life changing
reading because his father came through and told him that
he wasn't the cause of his demise, you know, and
in a couple sentences, I'll tell you that because that
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was really quite profound for him. Mediumship can be very
healing for people. His father was They lived in Brooklyn.
His father worked in a factory. My boss was in
dental school, and his father said, could you give me
a ride to the factory today? And he said, I'm sorry, dad,
I'm too busy at school, dental school. I can't today.
And his father had a heart attack and died on
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the sidewalk. So for thirty five years he blamed himself
that he was the reason his father died. And his
father came through and said, no, you're not, No, you're not.
I was going to go that day anyway. So you
could imagine the weight that lifted off of him after
all those years. Is you know where his father he
had was blaming himself?
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Well did you find did you find that up to
that point when you've started realizing your clients relatives were
coming to you, did you ever go through a period
where you just kind of like, I don't want to
hear it, I don't want to deal with it. Just
let me let me live my life. Did you go
through that at all? Or were you always very active?
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (21:34):
No, I would say I can't. I mean, I would
say by that point it was too hard to close
that door. You know. It wasn't the same as being
a kid and just saying no, no, cover your head
with the covers. I don't want to, you know, I
don't want to see this or know this. You know,
at that point it was too hard to ignore.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
I guess Okay, Now, when you.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
See how it helps people, I think is really what
inspires you to do the work. I mean, even working today.
You know, it can be very healing for some people.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Now you've mentioned you've studied with a number of folks.
I'd like to know who they are. But I also
am curious to see how many of the folks out there.
You see a lot of folks on TV that do it.
There have been a number over the years. Do you
find that most of them have a sincere interest? The
ones that you've dealt with had a sincere interest in
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helping others or was it truly a monetary thing to them?
Speaker 2 (22:35):
I do find that you go into this line of
work as a calling, just like any kind of help
for others, you know, just like my hospice work. It's
a calling. And are there Charlatan's out there? I guess
there are. I can't couldn't tell you. I couldn't sit
here and name any I think that karma would eventually
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catch up to you. If that was your true motives
for doing the work. Certainly, anyone that's out there purposely
deceiving someone, I wouldn't want to see what the repercussions
of that is, either in this life or the next one, right,
And I would think by how the people respond, you know,
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how does your sitter respond to the information? Does how
does it land with them? Does it make sense? You know?
With them? And you know some of this can't be proven.
Some of this you know you do in love and faith.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
You know, well a lot of things we do in faith,
isn't there, right?
Speaker 2 (23:36):
And so my teachers were some of you would know
and some you wouldn't. Like Janet no Havoc. She was
an excenon who ran a church in New Jersey. She
I studied many years with HER's. She's deceased now, but
she was quite the stern teacher too. Tony Stockwell from
the UK, John Edward, James Van Prague, Jeez Stella Upton.
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You know, I would I would think some you've heard
of it, but some you haven't. Yeh of Jenna no
Havoc boarding mediums from all over the world though, so
even I even took a class with these two gentlemen
from Canada that were excellent. That was one of the
best classes I ever took. I think that was Brian
Robertson was his name. So I'm not sure that you would,
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you know, know them all, but some of them were
bigger names, and it.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Seems as though this desire to help over just kind
of overshadows at what everybody, all of them are doing.
Like I said, I do recognize some of those names.
Is this what you do now? Is this primarily what
you do now?
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Okay, and all right? How many do you have a lot?
How do people well, how do people find you? Are
you on the internet type of thing?
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Or I have a website? Yes? In fact, a man
called today from Vero and made an appointment and just
found me on the web, So yeah, so I have
a website and that's you know where I guess, or
on Facebook and that's why most people find me.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Do you find in times of like it's very life's
very difficult and very crazy right now around the world?
Do you find at times like this cause folks to
reach out to you more often than in quieter times?
Speaker 2 (25:27):
I would say yes, but I would think that they
reach out more for private struggles than they do for
you know, for universal struggles, it's more their personal things,
what they're going through, dealing with the laws, sometimes not
getting closure. You know, sometimes people die in questionable circumstances.
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You know this. You know law enforcement and you know
people can get answers even about the end of someone's
life and was anyone else involved? I mean, you know
they've used psychedex end law enforcement for answers like that.
And I do believe those answers are possible. I do
believe that you can't force anyone to answer.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
But that's true. But I got to, unfortunately force you
to stop right now because we've got to go to
a break. So stay with us, folks. A lot more
to come. We'll be back after these messages, and we're
back with my guest Testatorial. Interesting conversation and quite a
story getting up to this point. But now I want
to ask you a philosophical question. What is it? What
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is it you're experiencing? What do you think the other
side is. You've seen spirits, you've communicated with the relatives
that have passed with your clients. What is this? Is
it heaven? Is it dimensions? What do you think this
all is.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
I think it's all a succession of dimensions, and I
believe that we're all into an interdimensional reality, and the
third dimension being fixed and physical, and then the fourth
being more spiritual and just going fifth and sixth.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Going higher and higher. So I believe that when we die,
just the physical body is deceased. We go back to dust,
either be in a coffin or being what's what do
we call that? Cremated? Sorry he lost that, And so
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it's just the physical body lost. Our consciousness goes on
are the personality goes on so so, and those things
are very verifiable, those kind of details in a reading.
When you're connecting to a spirit who's passed, the personality
is something that is not lost until that soul decides
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to reincarnate. It continues to have the same personality or
conscious as it did from its most previous life, So
meaning that you wouldn't have aeron, you wouldn't maintain a
personality from other lifetimes. It would just be related to
the one most current. And so our consciousness survives and
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is just really in another dimension. Heaven is not a place,
it's not a location, it's not it's really just here
in a different dimension that we don't easily see.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
So we pass our energy spirit, however we want to
describe it goes. Do we go to a place to
recover and you say you mentioned reincarnation and then come back.
That would explain a lot of people that have DejaVu experiences,
to simply put, but what about folks that come back
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in the same form that they were when they died
in eighteen ninety.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
And come back.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
My great great grandfather would appear to me as he
did and he passed away in say nineteen ten. If
if he's regressing in the coming back, how would we
see him that in that form? Does that make sense?
Speaker 2 (29:19):
I'm not sure what you're asking, but I want to
say that they can show up however they want so
their consciousness, that he can come. He could show up
to you as a little boy. He could show up
to you in his thirties or forties, or he could
show up to you as an old man. And that's
going to be as individual individualized as we are.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
And I agree. In fact, we've had plenty of experiences
where an old school in Felsmere kids are there, but
no kids ever died there. So it's got to be
folks coming back from later years. But when I'm getting back.
If if somebody dies, they go on and they're good,
they could their personality would still be the same when
you saw them until they reincarnate. But Grandpa comes back,
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and Grandpa died one hundred years ago, Great Grandpa did
did he not reincarnate? That is my question? Did he
not go? And why would that happen? Any thoughts and
why that would happen?
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Well, you know, there's lots of theories, Larry. One of
the theories is that there's actually more bodies than there
are spirits, right or the other way around, I should say,
so that there's more spirits that want to return than
there's bodies being born. That's a theory. So why would
we come back? You know some would say why wouldn't we? Right,
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that's as just as individualized as we are. It depends
on what mission. I could tell you that I was
in World War two and then turned around and came
right back in nineteen sixty two, so that was only
less than ten years. I was in spirit and came back.
But that's as individualized. My grandparents are still there and
they're gone sixty sixty years, right, So why do they
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stay sixty years and some people come back after ten.
It's just a very individualized plan that each soul, as
a sovereign being has well.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
I think also time, as we see it is a
construct of the human brain.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
The kid.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
I can concur with that and certainly regret time regression.
I want to ask you about that in just a
second year experience with regression therapy. But there's been stories
of kids in particular coming back talking about being a
World War two pilot. There's a university I want to
say it's the University of Virginia, but I'm not sure
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that that's actually doing a lot of work with children
on that. So that does lead to the belief or
some evidence that we do come back or somehow we're regenerating,
But I don't. Are you familiar with the high mind
theory of our souls going back and we're all part
of one hive mind If you think, yes, yes, he's.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Uni personal consciousness that we're just each a part of.
You know, the ideas that God wanted to show up
as Larry, God wanted.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
To be smarter than that.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Now God wanted to show up as tests. God wanted
to show up you know, there's a spark of divinity
in each one of us, right, and I think we're
really starred ust. Actually, I think that we are just
cosmic light beings that probably most of us are hybrids
of some sort.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Mm hm.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
When you do readings and you're you're talking to folks
and they do talk to a relative, is it normally
a relative that has passed recently or in the last
few years, or have you actually talked to folks whose
great grandparents may have come through?
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Both? Actually, and it's again, it's different every time. I
just actually read for Jill on Sunday and she heard
from her grandfather who she has, who's never come through
in any for her and has been gone, you know,
probably more than fifty years. So yeah, so if they're
still there and they want to speak up, they're you know,
certainly welcome to Well.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Now another question. There's Tests doing a reading and there's
Larry reading with the same person two weeks later, Larry
gets gives the client a little bit different information than Tests,
not necessarily horribly different, but different. Wouldn't people say, well, gosh,
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if one medium says it, the other's got to say
the same thing. But they don't how do you explain
that if I'm making sense, how do you explain one
medium saying one thing and another meetium saying something a
little bit different.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
I would think that spirit is so smart that they
know enough to use the consciousness of the medium, because
everything has to go through your brain to come out
your mouth. And so whether they give the information in
a picture form, or they're saying words, or they're showing
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an item, it's going to have to go through my
brain for me to put words to it. And so
it is going to use my brain and consciousness to
tell your life experiences, tell right, and to tell that story, yes,
and my life experiences. So, like I said earlier, you know,
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you want to not read the mail. You just deliver
the letter. So you want to give it as close
as you get it without putting a spin on it,
without putting your idea of it, you know, literally repeating
what you see here and feel, so that if you're
not so that it's coming as direct as possible.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
You think that your readings influence is probably a bad
way to put it, but maybe hinged with a little
bit of your life experiences or how you view things,
how you grew the religious household you grew up. Is
it possible that your readings also have a tinge of
you in it based upon your group?
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Yeah? Absolutely, But that's why I think people will pick
a reader based on, you know, a comfortableness or you know.
You know, some people could say, you know, they read
three different people's bios and just had a good feeling
about you, you know, or felt a connection of some sort,
which which definitely helps the reading. You know, you do,
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you do want to connect to your reader, and you
know everyone's different. You know, if you were twenty years old,
you might want a twenty five year old reader. Most
of my clients are forty five and older, so they
might not want a twenty five year old reader, right,
and your life experience definitely comes into play. I don't
see how it couldn't, you know.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Gotcha now going to take a different spin here. We've
talked about very play about everything from the collective energy,
collective spirit, hive mind type of events that we are
maybe going two different dimensions. All those types of things
we've discussed briefly. But one thing that you didn't mention
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your bio, but I know that you're involved in, is
your connection with the UFO community tell us how that came.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Into being so, and I was going to send you
a newsletter because it has the story in there, but
then I didn't, and I apologize about that. But I
came into UFOs and CE five protocol was I had time.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
What's a CI protocol for those of us those out there, I'm.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Sorry, So let me rewind a little bit. So I
was always interested in a little bit, but never had
any experiences with UFOs. I found doctor Stephen Grier's work.
He's a retired physician, emergency physician who is one of
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the biggest names in the c UAP and UFO communities
and someone who's in the forefront of getting the government
to reveal what they have right full disclosure. He just
put a movie, second movie out. One is Disclosure. One
is called full Disclosure, and this is just what the
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government's been hiding for seventy years. Well, this is starting
to come out. So I was aware of him, I
was aware of his work. I never had experiences with ets.
I'm not sure I want to, Larry. I have to
be completely honest with you in that I am very honest.
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I came into it because I was in a group
meditation and archangel Michael showed up to me in a
very low moment in my life and told me that
he wanted me to channel ets and that he be
a gatekeeper. And so that's how this doorway opened up
(38:05):
for me. And then as I was following doctor Greer,
I realized that he has an app that's downloadable on
your phone for one time nine ninety five feet. It
has meditations and his protocol on there. So he coined
the CE five protocol as a type as a way
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of grouping people's consciousness together and sending out a unified signal.
And he's been a meditation practitioner for many years and
since since he's in his twenties, and he's had you know,
experiences since he's young. So that's how he went down
that road of UFOs. But I haven't had experiences other
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than us seeing UFOs on the beach and UAPs on
the beach. You know, one night we had up to
twenty four sightings. I haven't I haven't seen any ones
up close and personal, and I'm not sure I want to.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
Well, how do you know they were UAPs? I mean,
what did they do that made you not think that
they were a satellite, a helicoptera they were.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
They had very They all had the same kind of
movements which were very like erratic. So I mean, you
wouldn't see a plane go up and down and sidewoods
and back up and down and sidewoods. It was almost
like they jumped around. Then a couple of times we
decided we were going to send out a collective signal
and ask them to go make it brighter, and it did.
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The light went brighter. I mean, these are not objects
that move in a straight line in any one direction.
These are an object that seems to jump around in
the sky and some weird you know, back and forth
and up and down motions.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
Okay, well, I've got a couple of other questions of
one to get into, but we're about fifteen seconds away
from our next break. So when we get back, I'd
like to talk to you a little bit about why
you feel you were asked to channel UFOs or alien beings. So, folks,
stay with us. We'll be back for the last part
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of our show in just a minute, So stay with us.
Welcome back, folks, with my guests tonight test Tatro and
while this evening has gone quickly, but I want to
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and tests. How can folks get a hold of you?
Speaker 2 (41:14):
Well, I'm at Treasurecostmedium dot com and or what else
test detroll as me is bring you right to a
booking or a Facebook, Facebook backslash, Treasure Coast Medium as well.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
And I made a little mistake there. If you need
to get a hold of me, ghost Guy five nine
at gmail dot com is the best way to get
a hold of me directly. So fascinating stuff. I do
want to ask you, going back to our last bit
of our conversation there, why do you think the archangel
ur changel, my angel Michael, I'll get it out, wanted
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you to channel alien life forms? I mean, how did that?
Did he just say, hey, test I got a job
for you, or did it something to developed a led
you to that.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
I wouldn't say so. I mean twice, I've worked with
other archangels before, but not Archangel Michael unless I was
doing a property clearing and it was in a group
meditation where this happened where Archangel Michael showed up to
tell me this the first time. I was waiting for
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a judge's decision, and it was at a very stressful
point in my life, and I couldn't tell the story
without crying till recently, but now I can get through it.
So he basically showed up with two giant wings, Larry,
I mean eight foot wings that just surrounded me in
this folding chair I was sitting in and I was
very emotional at the time, was out in public at
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a group meditation. I didn't want to be recognized. I
was kind of hiding under my hoodie I just wasn't
in a good state of mind really waiting for this
judge's decision. And he came in and wrapped his wings
around me and said, and I was emotional, and he said,
do you see how sharp my sword is? And he
showed me the edge of his sword and then he says,
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you see my shield. Look how thick it is. And
it looked like an inch thick. And he said, I
got you, girl, I got you. It's going to be fine.
And actually the decision came that later that week, and
it was fine. I it was the judge's decision was
in my favor and it all went well. And then
at another group meditation, because I do believe in group meditations.
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I think they're powerful, archangel Michael showed up again and
that's where he said to me, I want to have
this working relationship with you. I want to open this
doorway of ets and I'll be your gatekeeper. And really,
since then, Larry, not much else has transpired. That was
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several months ago. In that meditation, and I meditate, you know, weekly,
I won't say daily, but but definitely weekly. And there
and I'm just in this waiting now to see how
this is going to unfold. But that's what put me
down this path of doing these monthly groups at the
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beach and using the ce five app.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
Okay, it's a phone app.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
It's an app that you download on your phone. It
has a one time fee to do that. And on
within that app there are crop tones sorry crop circle
tones which they found that have a frequency and a
noise all their own. There are several recordings that he
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has recorded himself. We set up a poosia table, which
is a prayer table, so it's an offering of some sort.
So we do bring fresh flowers. I bring fruit as
an offering. We light a candle. There's a picture of
a Buddha picture of Buddha there and Buddhist prayer and
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in the app, his doctor Greer's meditations are on there
and there's several to pick from, so I pretty much
play them over a loud speaker at the beach, but
also on this proposia table, everyone is encouraged to put
an item of theirs on the table as a way
to signify the intention of linking our consciousness. So doctor
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Greer has a lot of knowledge and he's all over YouTube,
so he's very easy to find. He studied really interdimensional
beings and the and the different dimensions that are in
space and the different types of beings that are out there.
He feels that these beings have actually intercepted missiles, they've
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they've been spotted over nuclear plants, monitoring what goes on there,
you know. So and none of this is new. All
this information been around forever. But that's that's really how
I got started down that road.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
Going back just a bit, and I want to get
back to doctor Grier in a second. Archangel Michael coming
to you, certainly a very well known figure in the
Christian faith. He came to you said, it's going to
be okay. Do you find that that's further evidence that
all of this is linked, that all religions are linked,
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the dimensions are linked everything.
Speaker 2 (46:33):
I feel it's very universal. I feel that, you know,
in general, it's all very universal. And I believe that
just the human constructs of religious and and how people
decided that they would branch off and have and all
the how all the religion started and all became very
different one from the other, and then judging each other's religion,
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not even to say, you know, we all we all
are good, you know, became it became a competition of sorts.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
Now getting back to doctor Greer, then interesting figure, certainly
controversy one. I certainly don't want to put words in
his mouth. It's we're talking about it. But he has
an interesting theory that many of the UFOs that we
see are extraterrestrially. Am I correct?
Speaker 2 (47:21):
Well, he believes that there have been so many crashes
over these years that were covered up and concealed from
the general public. And there's quite enough evidence now because
some most of these whistleblowers now are retiring, so now
they have nothing to lose by coming out and talking
about what they've seen and participated in even and so yeah,
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they feel that they have Well he knows for fact
that they have reverse engineered ships. And that's the thing.
Are we looking at one that's a true et ship
or is it one that the American government has has
re engineered to look like a ship And they talk
about how they're for seventy years, the government's been planning
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a fake crisis in the interstellar space. So they're believing
that the government is ramping up to have a false
flag or false narrative that these are going to be
human fashioned spaceships. But they'll be trying to sell everyone,
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the general public. Well, that's why they're trying to get
interstellar weapons, right, which they did.
Speaker 1 (48:36):
To some point for what purpose?
Speaker 2 (48:39):
Well, because they're The false narrative is that these ets
here are dangerous and that they're going to start a
war against us. And frankly, they've been here all this time,
they would have they what are they? Why would they
have not done it already if they were here for
negative reasons? Well, what are they waiting seventy years for?
And then some people believe they've been here they built
the pyramids. Some people believe that ets and angels have
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more in common than we than we know. And that
leads back to the question you just asked me. You know,
how connected is all this? I believe it's very connected.
I believe it's just semantics. It's what do we want
to call it? What religion do we want to name it?
What entity? What you know? Do we want to what
do we want to call it? But these things have
been around for a long long time. This is not new.
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But that's the false narrative that he talks about, that
the government is trying to fund interstellar weapons saying that
we need them against the ETS.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
Okay, but what I'm then to asking you to put
words in his mouth. But from what your interpretation is,
once again, why do he wants to start of work
with them or he.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
Just no, he is not. No, he believes it's friendly contact.
He doesn't believe that they're here for negative reasons at all.
He believes that the opposite of that. He believes that
they have already stopped missiles from launching and blown them up.
Speaker 1 (50:04):
Mid air, That the ETS have physically done this.
Speaker 2 (50:08):
That the ETS have physically done this over nuclear plants
that are in full operation now. And the whole thing
is that the elites, the big moneymakers in our society,
all make money when there's a war, so they all
want a war. Even if it's a fake war, it's
still a war.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
So building up the arsenal but not actually using it
on anything right now, just to build.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
It up they can do, right, they can still fund it.
They still want to get taxpayers money to fund these
weapons that we don't even need. And they have built
some already, you know they did. I think with Eisenhower
got I'm pretty sure as President Eisenhower got money for
interstellar weapons, like they had started it already, but I
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think over the years maybe they weren't funding it as much.
Speaker 1 (51:00):
Well, there's a lot of talk, uh, not just from
doctor Gerb, but I've I've also heard it from other
places that the tic TAC, the famous tic TAC that
was caught by Navy fighter pilots, I believe, I believe
off the East coast. I think they may be both
coasts but are actually not extraterrestrial. But uh, aircraft are
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flying objects created by locked the Lockheed skunk Works. Are
you familiar with that at all?
Speaker 2 (51:26):
Yes, lock Clock, Lockheads, and there's a couple other companies besides. Yeah,
those are the ones that are all involved with even
even you're going to hear news about cloning that our
our our American government has cloned has cloned ets and
humans together.
Speaker 1 (51:46):
So we've got ET's here right now?
Speaker 2 (51:48):
Is okay, we have ets here right now. Some people
believe they've been here for thousands of years and and
was the civilization that actually built the pyramids. There's another
theory that under the pyramids in Egypt are is an
actual ET space station. This is something that they just discovered.
Speaker 1 (52:06):
Well, I've also heard rumors that there's under the Griffith
Park Observatory in California, there's a large.
Speaker 2 (52:16):
So there's supposed to be places in the ocean.
Speaker 1 (52:19):
Ah Okay, now different types of ets. These are not
all this from the same spot. I've I mean, we've
heard of the Nordic ets, the Reptilians.
Speaker 2 (52:27):
Uh lads, Yep, there are several. There are plenty of racism,
some we haven't even you know, we're not even aware of. Yeah,
it's quite and to think like we're the only we're
the only entities in the universe is pretty small minded.
Speaker 1 (52:43):
Right, I mean, I would agree.
Speaker 2 (52:45):
Universes is a big, huge place.
Speaker 1 (52:48):
I would agree. I would agree with that. But I've
got to ask the question, how come if all of
them are here, how come we haven't seen more? I mean, okay,
the government has put a clamp down on it. But
now Greer is talking about the government's flipping the story
on us, saying that what we're seeing is actually reverse engineered.
Speaker 2 (53:12):
Spell that it could be right, Yes, that it could
be well.
Speaker 1 (53:16):
I think he's pretty strong on that subject from what
I've seen anyway, and.
Speaker 2 (53:21):
It changes every day. I mean, I get his emails
all the time, and he's forever you know, writing, you know,
recording YouTube clips or be or interviewed or being interviewed,
what have you. And you're just going to see more
and more of this, especially in twenty twenty six. I
think it's going to be a really pivotal year.
Speaker 1 (53:39):
Well that's what we're hearing for.
Speaker 2 (53:41):
This disclosure to happen. And I'm not sure if this
will be this, you know what they talk about, this
main thing that's supposed to they're going to stage this,
but it's been in the plans for fifty years.
Speaker 1 (53:55):
Well, all I can say is stay tuned, folks, and
unfortunately Tess are tied, IM is coming. This show went
very very fast, covered some very interesting topics. Hope to
have you back again on the show again soon. Thanks
for joining us, and thank all of you out there
for joining us tonight. I hope you enjoyed the show
and we'll look forward to seeing you on the next time,
on the next episode. And until then, take care and
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we'll see you on the other side. Have a good night.
Stupid ever did that work down here in beautiful Vera Beach, Florida,
and folks got a great show for you tonight. I'm
very excited to have our guests on tonight. I think
we're going to cover some very interesting topics and for
all of my listeners down to the lower forty eight
in the US of A, I hope everybody had a
great Thanksgiving. I know I did. I had most of
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my kids here and it sure does feel better when
the kids are home, so at any rate, Tonight's guest
very Fasting test Tatro. She's an energy healer and an
intuitive psychic medium that lives right here on the Treasure
Coast of Florida near me. She also grew up in
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Long Island, and if you're from Florida, you know most
people ever from somewhere else. She's always seen spirits, especially
as a child, but when she was twelve, while in
a family vacation, she had a near death experience, almost drowning,
which enhanced her or really pick pick up her psychic abilities.
(01:05):
That tragedy, along along with a lot of others, made
her very relatable to clients who seek out her help,
and it has continued her relationships with their deceased loved
ones and his passion teaching others to learn the signs
of their loved ones. She found the Holy Spirit at
age twelve, and she's also a cancer survivor, so God
(01:25):
bless you for that one. Tests has studied, under studied
psychic development, and meetingship with some of the world's most
respected and well known mediums over the last fifteen years.
Excuse me, So with that, I'd like to welcome Tests
to my show. Hey, good to see it tonight, Tests,
and good.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
To see you too, Larry.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Interesting, interesting background. Now let's take it from the beginning.
I want my guests to kind of get to know
who Test Tatro is. And you know, like a lot
of folks from Florida, Ohio. Originally you're from New York,
but we're all Floridians now. But tell me how how
you as a young child you experienced things. So take
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it from the beginning. Tell us about Tests.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Okay, so thanks for having me tell you about Tests.
I grew up in a very religious household. They were
devout Catholics still are. My brother's a Catholic priest for
many years on the island, and I was an mpath
in a sea of regimented people. And so I was
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always aware of the spirit world, or let's say the
metaphysical outside the physical. But you're normally rounded up. Your
parents are telling you, you know, not to pay attention.
You must be making it up or using your imagination.
And so over time, you just really want to fit in.
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You don't want to stand out, you don't want to
be different than other people, and so, and most kids
will do this, they'll just kind of hide their gifts
because they're not appropriate for family life or for the
situation you're born into. When I was twelve, we were
on a family vacation with two other families on the
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Kankamancus trail of Lake winnipe Sake. How do you even
remember that? I don't know, but that's the name of
this vacation area in the mountains in New Hampshire. And
we were body waiting in the water and that's where
the water passes over these large rocks and it's like
a natural water slide, so it's a quite it's a
(03:39):
quite famous watering spot, recreational area. And somehow I wound
up in deeper water and I had a near death experience.
Meaning that my consciousness was not I had no idea
that I was across the river now from safety where
it was just woods and no one really even saw me.
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But somehow I got swept into deeper water. And in
this experience, I saw the tunnel of light I and
had no at the time, had no idea what my
body was going through. You know, I had no idea
of where I was in relation to the river. And
what happens is this watering spot or this recreational area.
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It kind of emptied into this little pool and on
the one side where the water that's closest to the
picnic area where the larger smooth rocks are, that's the
water slide park, and it empties right into this like
swimming hole. But the other half of the river that
went into the deeper water went over this waterfall that
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had boulders at the bottom that you know, you weren't.
You wouldn't have made it it had you gone over there.
And somehow my consciousness went to memories of my childhood,
like odd even odd memories and this near death experience
because I didn't go straight to a tunnel with a
light and feeling a pull there or feeling that overwhelming
(05:08):
loving presence right away. I actually went to distinct memories
which I can recall, like this all happened yesterday, playing
red light green light on the neighbor's lawn with other children.
They seemed very arbitrary, like memories of such a short life.
I was only twelve when this happened. And then went
(05:29):
to an earlier memory of when my parents had bought
this house on Long Island and we were I don't know,
two and four years old. My sister and I were
walking around the backyard kind of discovering our new house
and new yard, and I went to those memories, and
then from there went to the tunnel of Light, and
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I had a pretty typical near death experience. I was
aware of a greater presence there. I was well aware
of the overwhelming light that most people will feel, you know.
I think the greatest thing that people bring back from
that is that unconditional love. That's not something you feel
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very readily here, and it certainly wasn't anything I was
really that in tune to, you know, from my home upbringing.
Either it was a very judgmental household, so you were
either right or wrong, you were good or bad. It
was white and black, and that's and it, and it's
all judgment. It's all your behavior is all based, you know,
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on judgment. So so all this is going on in
my head, I have no consciousness of where I am
in the river. I have no idea that I'm in
deep water and what's actually happening to my physical body.
I was all in this mental picture in my head
and having this whole interior experience. Basically, I was told
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that it wasn't my time, and almost like a vacuum,
the whole thing just went whoop and just ended. And
then I'm looking around. Now I'm aware of where I
am in this river, close to this fall that I
wouldn't have survived. My hand's on a rock. I'm right
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next to the waterfall, but I didn't go over it.
And now I'm trying to get the attention of the
other people we were there with.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
And nobody knew you were missing yet.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
My dad was having a few beers and like he
normally did, and was flipping burgers by the grill, and
I'm yelling for him because he's the closest one I
could see. Didn't hear me, didn't see me. And then
a boy, David, from another family we traveled with. He
saw me on the other side of the river, and
then someone had to get a rope from a trunk
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and had to make this human chain across the water
in the shallow part, throw a rope out to me,
and then get me back to safety to the other side,
which was the picnic. The other side of the river
was just woods. There was nothing there. So that's that
in a nutshell and a you know, very condensed version.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Pretty sure, na twelve year old.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
I was born pretty fearless, so I can't say that
I was traumatized by the actual And I was a
good swimmer too, so it wasn't that I couldn't swim.
I think it was just the spot I was in.
It wouldn't have been survivable, and I can't say I
had so much fear. But it was funny because like,
no one had a clue, like, you know, until I
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got their attention.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Well, now you mentioned you had started seeing spirits at
a young age.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
What age was that, Oh, probably four or five. But
my joke is that I shared a bedroom with a
snoring sister for eighteen years and it was hard enough
to get a good night's sleep, So had I said,
who's the old lady by the closet. She is a
very fearful person. I was very fearless, and we never
would have slept, so I just pretended the old lady
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wasn't there. I covered my head with the covers and
went to sleep.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Then your mde ended up really enhancing your abilities from living.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
More so that, yes, but more so in a predictive manner,
because as a kid, you're never thinking about your future,
right You're living in the moment. You're living in the day.
So most of us, I guess, have more fear about
our future. I did know when my father, my grandfather,
got sick, and I did know. I knew his spirit
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had crossed. So that was more predictive in nature than
it was as a kid. You know, coming out of
that experience, that your death experience, it became more of
a knowing, I would say, and more about future events.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Interesting, now you've mentioned you're an impath, and that means
you feel you feel what other people are feeling. But
you call yourself as an intuitive psychic medium. What exactly
is the definition of an intuitive psychic medium.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
An intuitive psychic medium would be someone that uses all
their Claire's all their extrasensory perceptions, so they follow the
sixth senses of the human body. But there are psychic senses,
so Claire audience, clare sentience. Clairvoyants are knowing, are seeing.
They mimic our physical senses, but their psychic in nature,
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and they're usually connected to our energy centers, or our chakras,
which we have in the physical body. And if our
chakras are clear and energy is flowing, you know, we
can be quite receptive.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Now at the risk of coming up on our first break,
at the risk of going too far. For those that
are not familiar with the term chakra, can you explain.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
That, well, Chakras are considered vortexes or by by definition,
they're wheels of light, and they're located. We have many
in the body, but the most ones that are studied
the most are the seven main chokras of the human body.
They start at the root or at the base of
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the spine and go up and the seventh one is
above our crown, above the physical head. So there are
energy centers located in our bodies. There's you know, a rude,
a sacral, a solar, a heart, a throat, a third
eye and then the crown, and they're yeah, they're energy vortexes.
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That we are energy beings, really, Larry, So if we
can start to think of ourselves like that, this may
make more sense to some people. But but this is
from the Sanskrit tradition, the Vedics. They believe that, you know,
we have these vorta energy vortexes located in the physical
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and when energy gets stuck in any one of these
chakra systems, it can affect our physical health.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
And with that, we've got to take our first break.
This is going to go quick. I can tell already, folks,
stay with us. I got test Tatro with us, and
we'll be back right after these messages. And we are
back when my guest test Tatroo and I can test.
Interesting story getting into this, and here you are born
into a very religious family with these gifts, and you
even mentioned that what at age eighteen you actually found
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the Holy Spirit? Tell me, so you're the Christian.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Faith at that time? Yes, I was practicing the Christian
faith because I had met a boy, my first love,
and he was going through recovery and he found really
the religion to be very beneficial in his recovery, and
so I went along with that on his behalf. I see,
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and while attending a service, I had had the proverbial
slain in the spirit experience where you actually fall to
the ground and someone's there to catch you and the spirit,
the Holy Spirit takes over. And as a result of
that occurrence, I started having the gift of tongues. Now
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some people believe that that's also prophetic in nature. Then
another gift in that religion would be, of course, you know,
interpreting those type of talks. But Larry here, I'm I'm
gonna give you a monkey runch right now. So now
I'm wondering how does that correlate to light language? Right?
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So do you understand what light language is?
Speaker 1 (13:52):
No, explain it to.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Me, okay. So light language is a phenomenon where people
that do channeling and it not always well, it's got
to be some interstellar or interdimensional being that they're channeling.
So whether that be an angel or a guide or
perhaps another intterrestrial person right, another entity, an et entity,
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and they sound very similar, and it makes me wonder
if this, you know, speaking in tongues is really another
form of light language that now has become really prevalent
in our society with people channeling entities where these just
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these sounds come out because you really can't make sense
of the sounds. And in my experience, this has been
some kind of very strong prayer. So I'll give you
an example. One time, when my son was in high school.
He's thirty four now, he was in high school, and
he missed the bus or somehow I needed to dry
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to school. And as I'm leaving the school grounds, and
I remember this so clearly, I was just taken over
by this need to pray in tongues and I had
no idea who it was for or why I was praying,
but it was almost like a very fervent prayer like
I was really I had to pull my car over
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because I felt like I was really interceding for someone
almost life and death, and I didn't know, but I
continued until it passed after a few minutes. Then I
kind of composed myself and you know, finish my ride home.
Later on that day, I found out that my brother
in law's father had had a heart attack on the
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operating table, and I felt like that prayer was interceding
for his behalf and he did survive the surgery and lived,
you know, several more years after that. Had she not
told me that, I may not have ever known why
I was, you know, praying so hard for someone.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Kind of what I'm hearing? Do you do you see
direct connection between the practice of the Christian faith and
what you're doing now? Is that what I'm hearing?
Speaker 2 (16:14):
No, I wouldn't say. I'm not trying to draw that.
I'm not trying to draw the parallel to that. I'm
merely posing the question. Is speaking in tongues light language
of some sort.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Would that would be a connection to the Christian faith? Though?
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Yes, well, I mean speaking in tongues comes from the
Holy Spirit in a Christian church?
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Oh a bebel? Yeah, tower bebel. Yeah. How does your
parents take all of this? Tests?
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Not very good? Oh, not very good. They're still not
very good. I mean, now you know I do once
a month I meet take a group of people to
the beach and were you using the CE five app
and calling an ets? And you know they don't understand
any of that.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Yeah, well, we're going to get to that in just
a couple of couple of things. That's a that's an
interesting subject all in, None of itself. Your brother a
Catholic priest. How and I've got a particular reason for
asking this. How does he take what you do?
Speaker 2 (17:15):
He doesn't, you know, he really doesn't. Unfortunately, I'm always
been the black shape of the family, so it just
remains that way.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
The reason I ask is my uh my departed father
in law, God bless his soul, was a was a
Catholic deacon, and I always wondered how he was going
to take me me, uh, you know, looking into this field.
And I told him he looks at me. Oh, we
pray to spirits all the time. I think it's great,
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and I found it very very interesting. And I find
that the Catholic Church does tend to be a little
more tolerant depending on how you're doing this, how you're
conducting it, than some other Christian churches. I just found
that very very interesting, and I was wondering if you
had the same experience.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
So, yeah, that wasn't It wasn't widely accepted or welcomed. No,
it wasn't. I think most of us that our gift did.
We stay in the closet for quite a long time
until I guess we can't anymore.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Do you feel as though the other side just keeps
pouting on you until you finally say, Okay, I'm here.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
I give Well, you know, my gifts really opened up
in a professional way in back in like twenty twenty,
I had started studying reiki and got into a lot
of meditation. But I went into meditation for a way
of as deterring anxiety, you know. And so I went
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to like I had to meditate class at the local
library and got into meditating and met a guide right
away who's been with me ever since, very funny, has
a great sense of humor.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
And so.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Jeez, where was I going with that?
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Meeting the guy at the library and.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
He's, yep, just learning how to meditate, And started studying
reiki and twenty twenty wanting to learn hands on healing.
And I was a dental hygienis. That was my career
in New York for thirty years. And spirits started showing
up at work and I would be reading for the
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person in the chair, so you know, I'm getting tapped
on the shoulder. I'm in a glass's gloves, lab coat
and mask, and I'm all, you know, in my work
zone and someone's aunt Rose is here. You know. So
it's being tapped on the shoulder. Tell this lady in
the chair who I'm working on, that I'm Aunt Rose
and I'm here to say hi. And that's how mediumship
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opened up professionally for me, because those people in the
chair became my first clients.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
You know.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
I would give them the message while I was cleaning
their teeth, and then they would come back three months
later and say, I don't need my teeth done, I
just want to know the message. And then they became
my first clients in New York. And that's how I
got started professionally doing this twenty.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Five years ago, out of the dentist feel about you
doing that.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Oh he loved it because they were paying clients and
they were still paying for their visit and he didn't mind,
and he was open to it. I actually read for
him at one point, and he had a life changing
reading because his father came through and told him that
he wasn't the cause of his demise, you know, and
in a couple sentences, I'll tell you that because that
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was really quite profound for him. Mediumship can be very
healing for people. His father was They lived in Brooklyn.
His father worked in a factory. My boss was in
dental school, and his father said, could you give me
a ride to the factory today? And he said, I'm sorry, dad,
I'm too busy at school, dental school. I can't today.
And his father had a heart attack and died on
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the sidewalk. So for thirty five years he blamed himself
that he was the reason his father died. And his
father came through and said, no, you're not, No, you're not.
I was going to go that day anyway. So you
could imagine the weight that lifted off of him after
all those years. Is you know where his father he
had was blaming himself?
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Well did you find did you find that up to
that point when you've started realizing your clients relatives were
coming to you, did you ever go through a period
where you just kind of like, I don't want to
hear it, I don't want to deal with it. Just
let me let me live my life. Did you go
through that at all? Or were you always very active?
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (21:34):
No, I would say I can't. I mean, I would
say by that point it was too hard to close
that door. You know. It wasn't the same as being
a kid and just saying no, no, cover your head
with the covers. I don't want to, you know, I
don't want to see this or know this. You know,
at that point it was too hard to ignore.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
I guess Okay, Now, when you.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
See how it helps people, I think is really what
inspires you to do the work. I mean, even working today.
You know, it can be very healing for some people.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Now you've mentioned you've studied with a number of folks.
I'd like to know who they are. But I also
am curious to see how many of the folks out there.
You see a lot of folks on TV that do it.
There have been a number over the years. Do you
find that most of them have a sincere interest? The
ones that you've dealt with had a sincere interest in
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helping others or was it truly a monetary thing to them?
Speaker 2 (22:35):
I do find that you go into this line of
work as a calling, just like any kind of help
for others, you know, just like my hospice work. It's
a calling. And are there Charlatan's out there? I guess
there are. I can't couldn't tell you. I couldn't sit
here and name any I think that karma would eventually
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catch up to you. If that was your true motives
for doing the work. Certainly, anyone that's out there purposely
deceiving someone, I wouldn't want to see what the repercussions
of that is, either in this life or the next one, right,
And I would think by how the people respond, you know,
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how does your sitter respond to the information? Does how
does it land with them? Does it make sense? You know?
With them? And you know some of this can't be proven.
Some of this you know you do in love and faith.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
You know, well a lot of things we do in faith,
isn't there, right?
Speaker 2 (23:36):
And so my teachers were some of you would know
and some you wouldn't. Like Janet no Havoc. She was
an excenon who ran a church in New Jersey. She
I studied many years with HER's. She's deceased now, but
she was quite the stern teacher too. Tony Stockwell from
the UK, John Edward, James Van Prague, Jeez Stella Upton.
(24:06):
You know, I would I would think some you've heard
of it, but some you haven't. Yeh of Jenna no
Havoc boarding mediums from all over the world though, so
even I even took a class with these two gentlemen
from Canada that were excellent. That was one of the
best classes I ever took. I think that was Brian
Robertson was his name. So I'm not sure that you would,
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you know, know them all, but some of them were
bigger names, and it.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Seems as though this desire to help over just kind
of overshadows at what everybody, all of them are doing.
Like I said, I do recognize some of those names.
Is this what you do now? Is this primarily what
you do now?
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Okay, and all right? How many do you have a lot?
How do people well, how do people find you? Are
you on the internet type of thing?
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Or I have a website? Yes? In fact, a man
called today from Vero and made an appointment and just
found me on the web, So yeah, so I have
a website and that's you know where I guess, or
on Facebook and that's why most people find me.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Do you find in times of like it's very life's
very difficult and very crazy right now around the world?
Do you find at times like this cause folks to
reach out to you more often than in quieter times?
Speaker 2 (25:27):
I would say yes, but I would think that they
reach out more for private struggles than they do for
you know, for universal struggles, it's more their personal things,
what they're going through, dealing with the laws, sometimes not
getting closure. You know, sometimes people die in questionable circumstances.
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You know this. You know law enforcement and you know
people can get answers even about the end of someone's
life and was anyone else involved? I mean, you know
they've used psychedex end law enforcement for answers like that.
And I do believe those answers are possible. I do
believe that you can't force anyone to answer.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
But that's true. But I got to, unfortunately force you
to stop right now because we've got to go to
a break. So stay with us, folks. A lot more
to come. We'll be back after these messages, and we're
back with my guest Testatorial. Interesting conversation and quite a
story getting up to this point. But now I want
to ask you a philosophical question. What is it? What
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is it you're experiencing? What do you think the other
side is. You've seen spirits, you've communicated with the relatives
that have passed with your clients. What is this? Is
it heaven? Is it dimensions? What do you think this
all is.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
I think it's all a succession of dimensions, and I
believe that we're all into an interdimensional reality, and the
third dimension being fixed and physical, and then the fourth
being more spiritual and just going fifth and sixth.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Going higher and higher. So I believe that when we die,
just the physical body is deceased. We go back to dust,
either be in a coffin or being what's what do
we call that? Cremated? Sorry he lost that, And so
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it's just the physical body lost. Our consciousness goes on
are the personality goes on so so, and those things
are very verifiable, those kind of details in a reading.
When you're connecting to a spirit who's passed, the personality
is something that is not lost until that soul decides
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to reincarnate. It continues to have the same personality or
conscious as it did from its most previous life, So
meaning that you wouldn't have aeron, you wouldn't maintain a
personality from other lifetimes. It would just be related to
the one most current. And so our consciousness survives and
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is just really in another dimension. Heaven is not a place,
it's not a location, it's not it's really just here
in a different dimension that we don't easily see.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
So we pass our energy spirit, however we want to
describe it goes. Do we go to a place to
recover and you say you mentioned reincarnation and then come back.
That would explain a lot of people that have DejaVu experiences,
to simply put, but what about folks that come back
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in the same form that they were when they died
in eighteen ninety.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
And come back.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
My great great grandfather would appear to me as he
did and he passed away in say nineteen ten. If
if he's regressing in the coming back, how would we
see him that in that form? Does that make sense?
Speaker 2 (29:19):
I'm not sure what you're asking, but I want to
say that they can show up however they want so
their consciousness, that he can come. He could show up
to you as a little boy. He could show up
to you in his thirties or forties, or he could
show up to you as an old man. And that's
going to be as individual individualized as we are.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
And I agree. In fact, we've had plenty of experiences
where an old school in Felsmere kids are there, but
no kids ever died there. So it's got to be
folks coming back from later years. But when I'm getting back.
If if somebody dies, they go on and they're good,
they could their personality would still be the same when
you saw them until they reincarnate. But Grandpa comes back,
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and Grandpa died one hundred years ago, Great Grandpa did
did he not reincarnate? That is my question? Did he
not go? And why would that happen? Any thoughts and
why that would happen?
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Well, you know, there's lots of theories, Larry. One of
the theories is that there's actually more bodies than there
are spirits, right or the other way around, I should say,
so that there's more spirits that want to return than
there's bodies being born. That's a theory. So why would
we come back? You know some would say why wouldn't we? Right,
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that's as just as individualized as we are. It depends
on what mission. I could tell you that I was
in World War two and then turned around and came
right back in nineteen sixty two, so that was only
less than ten years. I was in spirit and came back.
But that's as individualized. My grandparents are still there and
they're gone sixty sixty years, right, So why do they
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stay sixty years and some people come back after ten.
It's just a very individualized plan that each soul, as
a sovereign being has well.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
I think also time, as we see it is a
construct of the human brain.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
The kid.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
I can concur with that and certainly regret time regression.
I want to ask you about that in just a
second year experience with regression therapy. But there's been stories
of kids in particular coming back talking about being a
World War two pilot. There's a university I want to
say it's the University of Virginia, but I'm not sure
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that that's actually doing a lot of work with children
on that. So that does lead to the belief or
some evidence that we do come back or somehow we're regenerating,
But I don't. Are you familiar with the high mind
theory of our souls going back and we're all part
of one hive mind If you think, yes, yes, he's.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Uni personal consciousness that we're just each a part of.
You know, the ideas that God wanted to show up
as Larry, God wanted.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
To be smarter than that.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Now God wanted to show up as tests. God wanted
to show up you know, there's a spark of divinity
in each one of us, right, and I think we're
really starred ust. Actually, I think that we are just
cosmic light beings that probably most of us are hybrids
of some sort.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Mm hm.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
When you do readings and you're you're talking to folks
and they do talk to a relative, is it normally
a relative that has passed recently or in the last
few years, or have you actually talked to folks whose
great grandparents may have come through?
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Both? Actually, and it's again, it's different every time. I
just actually read for Jill on Sunday and she heard
from her grandfather who she has, who's never come through
in any for her and has been gone, you know,
probably more than fifty years. So yeah, so if they're
still there and they want to speak up, they're you know,
certainly welcome to Well.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Now another question. There's Tests doing a reading and there's
Larry reading with the same person two weeks later, Larry
gets gives the client a little bit different information than Tests,
not necessarily horribly different, but different. Wouldn't people say, well, gosh,
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if one medium says it, the other's got to say
the same thing. But they don't how do you explain
that if I'm making sense, how do you explain one
medium saying one thing and another meetium saying something a
little bit different.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
I would think that spirit is so smart that they
know enough to use the consciousness of the medium, because
everything has to go through your brain to come out
your mouth. And so whether they give the information in
a picture form, or they're saying words, or they're showing
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an item, it's going to have to go through my
brain for me to put words to it. And so
it is going to use my brain and consciousness to
tell your life experiences, tell right, and to tell that story, yes,
and my life experiences. So, like I said earlier, you know,
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you want to not read the mail. You just deliver
the letter. So you want to give it as close
as you get it without putting a spin on it,
without putting your idea of it, you know, literally repeating
what you see here and feel, so that if you're
not so that it's coming as direct as possible.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
You think that your readings influence is probably a bad
way to put it, but maybe hinged with a little
bit of your life experiences or how you view things,
how you grew the religious household you grew up. Is
it possible that your readings also have a tinge of
you in it based upon your group?
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Yeah? Absolutely, But that's why I think people will pick
a reader based on, you know, a comfortableness or you know.
You know, some people could say, you know, they read
three different people's bios and just had a good feeling
about you, you know, or felt a connection of some sort,
which which definitely helps the reading. You know, you do,
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you do want to connect to your reader, and you
know everyone's different. You know, if you were twenty years old,
you might want a twenty five year old reader. Most
of my clients are forty five and older, so they
might not want a twenty five year old reader, right,
and your life experience definitely comes into play. I don't
see how it couldn't, you know.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Gotcha now going to take a different spin here. We've
talked about very play about everything from the collective energy,
collective spirit, hive mind type of events that we are
maybe going two different dimensions. All those types of things
we've discussed briefly. But one thing that you didn't mention
(36:14):
your bio, but I know that you're involved in, is
your connection with the UFO community tell us how that came.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Into being so, and I was going to send you
a newsletter because it has the story in there, but
then I didn't, and I apologize about that. But I
came into UFOs and CE five protocol was I had time.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
What's a CI protocol for those of us those out there, I'm.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Sorry, So let me rewind a little bit. So I
was always interested in a little bit, but never had
any experiences with UFOs. I found doctor Stephen Grier's work.
He's a retired physician, emergency physician who is one of
(37:01):
the biggest names in the c UAP and UFO communities
and someone who's in the forefront of getting the government
to reveal what they have right full disclosure. He just
put a movie, second movie out. One is Disclosure. One
is called full Disclosure, and this is just what the
(37:24):
government's been hiding for seventy years. Well, this is starting
to come out. So I was aware of him, I
was aware of his work. I never had experiences with ets.
I'm not sure I want to, Larry. I have to
be completely honest with you in that I am very honest.
(37:44):
I came into it because I was in a group
meditation and archangel Michael showed up to me in a
very low moment in my life and told me that
he wanted me to channel ets and that he be
a gatekeeper. And so that's how this doorway opened up
(38:05):
for me. And then as I was following doctor Greer,
I realized that he has an app that's downloadable on
your phone for one time nine ninety five feet. It
has meditations and his protocol on there. So he coined
the CE five protocol as a type as a way
(38:27):
of grouping people's consciousness together and sending out a unified signal.
And he's been a meditation practitioner for many years and
since since he's in his twenties, and he's had you know,
experiences since he's young. So that's how he went down
that road of UFOs. But I haven't had experiences other
(38:50):
than us seeing UFOs on the beach and UAPs on
the beach. You know, one night we had up to
twenty four sightings. I haven't I haven't seen any ones
up close and personal, and I'm not sure I want to.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
Well, how do you know they were UAPs? I mean,
what did they do that made you not think that
they were a satellite, a helicoptera they were.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
They had very They all had the same kind of
movements which were very like erratic. So I mean, you
wouldn't see a plane go up and down and sidewoods
and back up and down and sidewoods. It was almost
like they jumped around. Then a couple of times we
decided we were going to send out a collective signal
and ask them to go make it brighter, and it did.
(39:39):
The light went brighter. I mean, these are not objects
that move in a straight line in any one direction.
These are an object that seems to jump around in
the sky and some weird you know, back and forth
and up and down motions.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
Okay, well, I've got a couple of other questions of
one to get into, but we're about fifteen seconds away
from our next break. So when we get back, I'd
like to talk to you a little bit about why
you feel you were asked to channel UFOs or alien beings. So, folks,
stay with us. We'll be back for the last part
(40:15):
of our show in just a minute, So stay with us.
Welcome back, folks, with my guests tonight test Tatro and
while this evening has gone quickly, but I want to
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(40:36):
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(40:56):
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and tests. How can folks get a hold of you?
Speaker 2 (41:14):
Well, I'm at Treasurecostmedium dot com and or what else
test detroll as me is bring you right to a
booking or a Facebook, Facebook backslash, Treasure Coast Medium as well.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
And I made a little mistake there. If you need
to get a hold of me, ghost Guy five nine
at gmail dot com is the best way to get
a hold of me directly. So fascinating stuff. I do
want to ask you, going back to our last bit
of our conversation there, why do you think the archangel
ur changel, my angel Michael, I'll get it out, wanted
(41:51):
you to channel alien life forms? I mean, how did that?
Did he just say, hey, test I got a job
for you, or did it something to developed a led
you to that.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
I wouldn't say so. I mean twice, I've worked with
other archangels before, but not Archangel Michael unless I was
doing a property clearing and it was in a group
meditation where this happened where Archangel Michael showed up to
tell me this the first time. I was waiting for
(42:24):
a judge's decision, and it was at a very stressful
point in my life, and I couldn't tell the story
without crying till recently, but now I can get through it.
So he basically showed up with two giant wings, Larry,
I mean eight foot wings that just surrounded me in
this folding chair I was sitting in and I was
very emotional at the time, was out in public at
(42:47):
a group meditation. I didn't want to be recognized. I
was kind of hiding under my hoodie I just wasn't
in a good state of mind really waiting for this
judge's decision. And he came in and wrapped his wings
around me and said, and I was emotional, and he said,
do you see how sharp my sword is? And he
showed me the edge of his sword and then he says,
(43:08):
you see my shield. Look how thick it is. And
it looked like an inch thick. And he said, I
got you, girl, I got you. It's going to be fine.
And actually the decision came that later that week, and
it was fine. I it was the judge's decision was
in my favor and it all went well. And then
at another group meditation, because I do believe in group meditations.
(43:32):
I think they're powerful, archangel Michael showed up again and
that's where he said to me, I want to have
this working relationship with you. I want to open this
doorway of ets and I'll be your gatekeeper. And really,
since then, Larry, not much else has transpired. That was
(43:52):
several months ago. In that meditation, and I meditate, you know, weekly,
I won't say daily, but but definitely weekly. And there
and I'm just in this waiting now to see how
this is going to unfold. But that's what put me
down this path of doing these monthly groups at the
(44:13):
beach and using the ce five app.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
Okay, it's a phone app.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
It's an app that you download on your phone. It
has a one time fee to do that. And on
within that app there are crop tones sorry crop circle
tones which they found that have a frequency and a
noise all their own. There are several recordings that he
(44:41):
has recorded himself. We set up a poosia table, which
is a prayer table, so it's an offering of some sort.
So we do bring fresh flowers. I bring fruit as
an offering. We light a candle. There's a picture of
a Buddha picture of Buddha there and Buddhist prayer and
(45:02):
in the app, his doctor Greer's meditations are on there
and there's several to pick from, so I pretty much
play them over a loud speaker at the beach, but
also on this proposia table, everyone is encouraged to put
an item of theirs on the table as a way
to signify the intention of linking our consciousness. So doctor
(45:26):
Greer has a lot of knowledge and he's all over YouTube,
so he's very easy to find. He studied really interdimensional
beings and the and the different dimensions that are in
space and the different types of beings that are out there.
He feels that these beings have actually intercepted missiles, they've
(45:50):
they've been spotted over nuclear plants, monitoring what goes on there,
you know. So and none of this is new. All
this information been around forever. But that's that's really how
I got started down that road.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
Going back just a bit, and I want to get
back to doctor Grier in a second. Archangel Michael coming
to you, certainly a very well known figure in the
Christian faith. He came to you said, it's going to
be okay. Do you find that that's further evidence that
all of this is linked, that all religions are linked,
(46:30):
the dimensions are linked everything.
Speaker 2 (46:33):
I feel it's very universal. I feel that, you know,
in general, it's all very universal. And I believe that
just the human constructs of religious and and how people
decided that they would branch off and have and all
the how all the religion started and all became very
different one from the other, and then judging each other's religion,
(46:55):
not even to say, you know, we all we all
are good, you know, became it became a competition of sorts.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
Now getting back to doctor Greer, then interesting figure, certainly
controversy one. I certainly don't want to put words in
his mouth. It's we're talking about it. But he has
an interesting theory that many of the UFOs that we
see are extraterrestrially. Am I correct?
Speaker 2 (47:21):
Well, he believes that there have been so many crashes
over these years that were covered up and concealed from
the general public. And there's quite enough evidence now because
some most of these whistleblowers now are retiring, so now
they have nothing to lose by coming out and talking
about what they've seen and participated in even and so yeah,
(47:44):
they feel that they have Well he knows for fact
that they have reverse engineered ships. And that's the thing.
Are we looking at one that's a true et ship
or is it one that the American government has has
re engineered to look like a ship And they talk
about how they're for seventy years, the government's been planning
(48:05):
a fake crisis in the interstellar space. So they're believing
that the government is ramping up to have a false
flag or false narrative that these are going to be
human fashioned spaceships. But they'll be trying to sell everyone,
(48:29):
the general public. Well, that's why they're trying to get
interstellar weapons, right, which they did.
Speaker 1 (48:36):
To some point for what purpose?
Speaker 2 (48:39):
Well, because they're The false narrative is that these ets
here are dangerous and that they're going to start a
war against us. And frankly, they've been here all this time,
they would have they what are they? Why would they
have not done it already if they were here for
negative reasons? Well, what are they waiting seventy years for?
And then some people believe they've been here they built
the pyramids. Some people believe that ets and angels have
(49:03):
more in common than we than we know. And that
leads back to the question you just asked me. You know,
how connected is all this? I believe it's very connected.
I believe it's just semantics. It's what do we want
to call it? What religion do we want to name it?
What entity? What you know? Do we want to what
do we want to call it? But these things have
been around for a long long time. This is not new.
(49:26):
But that's the false narrative that he talks about, that
the government is trying to fund interstellar weapons saying that
we need them against the ETS.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
Okay, but what I'm then to asking you to put
words in his mouth. But from what your interpretation is,
once again, why do he wants to start of work
with them or he.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
Just no, he is not. No, he believes it's friendly contact.
He doesn't believe that they're here for negative reasons at all.
He believes that the opposite of that. He believes that
they have already stopped missiles from launching and blown them up.
Speaker 1 (50:04):
Mid air, That the ETS have physically done this.
Speaker 2 (50:08):
That the ETS have physically done this over nuclear plants
that are in full operation now. And the whole thing
is that the elites, the big moneymakers in our society,
all make money when there's a war, so they all
want a war. Even if it's a fake war, it's
still a war.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
So building up the arsenal but not actually using it
on anything right now, just to build.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
It up they can do, right, they can still fund it.
They still want to get taxpayers money to fund these
weapons that we don't even need. And they have built
some already, you know they did. I think with Eisenhower
got I'm pretty sure as President Eisenhower got money for
interstellar weapons, like they had started it already, but I
(50:55):
think over the years maybe they weren't funding it as much.
Speaker 1 (51:00):
Well, there's a lot of talk, uh, not just from
doctor Gerb, but I've I've also heard it from other
places that the tic TAC, the famous tic TAC that
was caught by Navy fighter pilots, I believe, I believe
off the East coast. I think they may be both
coasts but are actually not extraterrestrial. But uh, aircraft are
(51:20):
flying objects created by locked the Lockheed skunk Works. Are
you familiar with that at all?
Speaker 2 (51:26):
Yes, lock Clock, Lockheads, and there's a couple other companies besides. Yeah,
those are the ones that are all involved with even
even you're going to hear news about cloning that our
our our American government has cloned has cloned ets and
humans together.
Speaker 1 (51:46):
So we've got ET's here right now?
Speaker 2 (51:48):
Is okay, we have ets here right now. Some people
believe they've been here for thousands of years and and
was the civilization that actually built the pyramids. There's another
theory that under the pyramids in Egypt are is an
actual ET space station. This is something that they just discovered.
Speaker 1 (52:06):
Well, I've also heard rumors that there's under the Griffith
Park Observatory in California, there's a large.
Speaker 2 (52:16):
So there's supposed to be places in the ocean.
Speaker 1 (52:19):
Ah Okay, now different types of ets. These are not
all this from the same spot. I've I mean, we've
heard of the Nordic ets, the Reptilians.
Speaker 2 (52:27):
Uh lads, Yep, there are several. There are plenty of racism,
some we haven't even you know, we're not even aware of. Yeah,
it's quite and to think like we're the only we're
the only entities in the universe is pretty small minded.
Speaker 1 (52:43):
Right, I mean, I would agree.
Speaker 2 (52:45):
Universes is a big, huge place.
Speaker 1 (52:48):
I would agree. I would agree with that. But I've
got to ask the question, how come if all of
them are here, how come we haven't seen more? I mean, okay,
the government has put a clamp down on it. But
now Greer is talking about the government's flipping the story
on us, saying that what we're seeing is actually reverse engineered.
Speaker 2 (53:12):
Spell that it could be right, Yes, that it could
be well.
Speaker 1 (53:16):
I think he's pretty strong on that subject from what
I've seen anyway, and.
Speaker 2 (53:21):
It changes every day. I mean, I get his emails
all the time, and he's forever you know, writing, you know,
recording YouTube clips or be or interviewed or being interviewed,
what have you. And you're just going to see more
and more of this, especially in twenty twenty six. I
think it's going to be a really pivotal year.
Speaker 1 (53:39):
Well that's what we're hearing for.
Speaker 2 (53:41):
This disclosure to happen. And I'm not sure if this
will be this, you know what they talk about, this
main thing that's supposed to they're going to stage this,
but it's been in the plans for fifty years.
Speaker 1 (53:55):
Well, all I can say is stay tuned, folks, and
unfortunately Tess are tied, IM is coming. This show went
very very fast, covered some very interesting topics. Hope to
have you back again on the show again soon. Thanks
for joining us, and thank all of you out there
for joining us tonight. I hope you enjoyed the show
and we'll look forward to seeing you on the next time,
on the next episode. And until then, take care and
(54:18):
we'll see you on the other side. Have a good night.
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