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January 17, 2024 • 83 mins
Scott is Known for the podcast Paranormal Jackazz and is founder of Flatline Paranormal. Involved in paranormal investigations since 2007 he has many years of experience under his belt.
His interesting approach to topics, investigative techniques and concepts made for a very interesting chat. Join Kerry and Natalie... as they ask... "did you just say sex with a bigfoot?" Explict content listeners discretion advised.

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(00:24):
Hi, Welcome to seven Sanctum podcast, Gateway to the Unknown and the Paranormal.
I'm the one of the co hosts, Natalie. I've got Carrie Anne
with me. She's waving right ifyou don't save me, she's waving.

(00:46):
And I apologize tonight because I don'thave very much voice, so if it
disappears, I'll let you know inadvance. It's like carry can take over
and with us tonight, we've gotspecial guests Scott Wilson, who is a
founder of and lead investigator in FlatlineParanormal from Indiana in America. He's a

(01:08):
para comedian I think one of akind and pretty unique. And he's also
the host of his own podcast,Paranormal Jackass, and he co hosts another
show which is a little bit wilder, called The Unholy Trinity, So if
you're feeling brave, check that outon the Parallance is It Paralleance Network.

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Scott and his co host Howard Petrieand they get a little bit crazy there.
So we're going to try and keepit fairly. Want to control today,
which given that we're starting the factthat we're trying to record this mercury
retrograde is going to be very interestingand right. So welcome to our podcast.

(01:57):
Scott. Thank you. I amexcited, you know. You know.
You're like, we're going to keepthis kind of mild, and I'm
thinking, yeah, you realize yougot on your show like it is me,
you know me, because I waslike, if I start riffing off
you and youffing up me, Carrieis going to switches off before people.

(02:25):
If we gave it carried away,carried just do this this stop it.
Yeah. The Holy Trinity is anextremely off the wall podcast. We it
is not for the pain of heart. It is a hardcore n C seventeen

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show. We had the weirdest topicsever, you know, stuff like having
sex with the sasquatch, you know, Bigfoot, you know, and it
just yeah, like I said,if you're easily offended this, that is

(03:07):
not the show for you. I'mjust saying, yeah, I have questions.
I have questions have already. Atfirst, I was like, oh,
okay, because within the paranormal it'sreally great to have like really broad
conversations. And when you first saidthat, I was like okay, And
then I'm thinking, wait, holdon, like is this something that because

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you hear reports with people with succubusesand inkbuses and all sorts where there's reports.
Has there actually been reports of peoplesaying that they've slept or had intimate
times with a big foot or isthis just a kind of broader topic we're
discussing normally. It's just a topicwe discussed, like we've never I've heard

(03:52):
anybody of actually having suck with theSaaS croush because it would be like extremely
interesting, I have to you know, I mean, Ron, how'd you
get that close? I mean,they didn't rip you apart? And number
two, if you did have sexwith a sasquatch or bigfoot, how did
it rip you apart? Because it'sa giant man eight thing like eight feet

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tall, so you know he's notgoing to be or he's not going to
be little. You know what I'msaying, don't you if people getting abducted
by big big foot, but theydon't tend not to come back on the
tree real agat and you know,and as far as you know, like

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you said, suck us and youknow, incubous, we I don't think
we've covered that, but that itwould be interesting to actually interview somebody that
has claimed that because there is thereis a gentleman actually that's linked to the
ram Inn in the UK. Theysays he has he had regular visits and

(05:03):
intimacy. For the life of me, I cannot remember the general sign,
but I will as the podcast goeson and will find him. I will
find out this information and I'll letyou know because he I watched the documentary
based on his experiences and it's veryinteresting. I'm interested in the psychological aspect

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of that, the kind of whatis happening for that person. But at
the same time, yeah, youhear a lot about this, but that's
the first time I've ever heard thatconcept with Big He took a turn left,
really went left quite quickly, Okay, trying to keep some degree of

(05:46):
control for at least most of thepodcasts, Like you should have wondered way
off I was going to say,and I knew he sent you a message
saying please behave yourself because I'm goingto myself. And it's like, it's
like, I'm really sorry, Kerryand listeners. Not intending to open with

(06:12):
that. I was going to openwith your paranormal investigation and your podcast before
we launched. We've we've gone backwiths just happens. You know, this
is me. That's why they madea paranormal comedian, because you know,
just the stuff that comes down inmy mouth and my head, Like I

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don't think they cooperate that much becauselike my brain will be like, don't
say that, and all the sadin my mouth is like, hey,
check this out. You know,I was going to say a two year
old sort of like switching between thebrain and the mouth, and it's like,
oh, just disconnect this this sensitionship. Yes, you know, because

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I was going to say, Imean, I've had sex with a succubus.
I call her my wife, butyou know it's the same concept.
You know, she's got my souland yeah, you are owned? You
are you are owned? Well Ican say that because she's not home.
So we'll get the reports later whenwe make sure that we send it to

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her, when we'll make sure wedone right. Yeah, we'll make sure
to message her in when we releasethis episode three weeks before weeks before you
have to start packing. So we'vebeen with paranormal investigations in mind. How

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did you get involved in the paranormal? Where did your journey begin? I
got into the Paranormal back in twothousand and seven. It's actually when ghost
Hunters Paps first him out, andwe all used to just sit around and
watch it. And my oldest stepdaughterSyana was we got we'd get this,

(08:11):
uh the newspaper every every week andshe was reading through it one day,
don't know what the wanted ads andthis and that, and there was an
ad in there it says wanted,Uh, do you want to be a
ghost hunter? Reply here with anemail and she's like, Scott, you

(08:33):
should do that. And I'm like, no, that's stupid. And she's
like, come on, you neverknow, I mean, don't you want
to know? And I'm like,well, I don't know. So eventually
they ended up talking me into itand I send an email say listen,
I'm interested in this man, uhyou know, and I got to meet

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email back saying hey, we wouldlike to meet you. You know,
let's mean that McDonald's. I said, okay, So I go to McDonald's
and a guy that I actually wentto school with, Bart Berry, was
one of the guys, and thenChris Daniel's the other gentleman, and they
actually said down and interviewed me andthey loved the interviewing stuff, and so

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they brought me on to their team, which was called Ghost ghost Hunting Organizational
Sightings Team. And I actually startedout in training first, like you know,
I just didn't get in and startbeing a paranormal investigating like. I
actually started as a trainee and theytrained me on, you know, how

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to do EVPs, how to listento them, how to go over photos
and everything, so you know,and I basically did that for like eight
months until I actually became a fulltime investigator. So and I did that

(10:01):
with them for about for about threeyears and worked my way up to being
a case manager, getting us placesto go and whatnot. And then Martin
Christ decided they were going to stepdown and retire for a while. So
I'm like, okay, well,you know, I get that. So

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probably about four months went by andI'm like, you know, I kind
of miss this. Maybe I'll startmy own team. And every buddy of
mine will fry He's like, dude, I'll be on your team. I
said, okay, you know,let's do this. Let's let's start a
team. And uh. We broughtanother guy, Keith Hartley, on and

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at the time, we were calledIndiana Apparition Sidings Team I A S T
and both of my stepdaughters, Shyennaand Alyssa were on and we did a
little bit of this and that,And I actually had sat down and talked
to Joe New York that one timeabout him coming on to my team,
but at the time our schedules justdid not mesh together, so we were

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on opposite schedules, so he wasn'table to come on. Will step down
and I'm like, you know,I like the name Indianapolish and Signings Teams,
but it's not what I like,like, like, I want a
name that I'm going to be likeyes, And I sat down one night

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and it was just going all thesedifferent names, and I'm like, I
come up with a flat line.I'm like, dude, I like that,
Like I can imagine the logo ofa ghost with a flat line.
And I ended up changing the flatline and bringing the whole new crew in,
with Leona Burns staying already Keith Hartleyand I did that for a couple

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more years, but I got tiredof running it like a business because back
then we didn't have all these placeslike Raverley Hills Penhurst chains Aller, Jenny,
you couldn't go to places like that, so you're always trying to get
into to do residential. So youmade it out to be more like a
business so people could invite you intodo investigation there. And I just I

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got worn out on it, andI was like, you know, I'm
done for a while. I retired, so I'd retired for a little bit.
And then, of course Jeremy York, who is founder of Things Paranormal
and Things Network, I've known Germanyfor fifteen years or so, he kept

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wanting me to come back in aparanormal and be on his team. And
I think that was back then twentynineteen, and it took him a while,
but finally I decided to come backout of retirement. And you fight,
It happens a lot with paranormal stuffanyway, doesn't Everyone seems to go

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through phases where they get burnt out. And it's like, do you think
it was the stress of running theteam that caused you to burn out or
do you think it was just likeit's a common thing in the paranormal world
that you have to sort of gointo and come out of it for a
bit and go into, you know, because it's quite intense energies anyway,
and it can be quite exhausting andmentally and emotionally and spiritually. Actually,

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I sometimes think it's more of aspiritual thing. You know. You sort
of get burnt out sort of dealingwith that kind of thing, and you
have to kind of come back tonormal life for a bit to reset your
brain. Otherwise you go a littlebit gargar, I think with it.
So do you think it was thatthat was like cause you to sort of
retire for a bit or just you'dsort of done for a while. Yeah.

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A part of it was running theteam, and I think another part
of it was I just lost theenthusiasm for it, you know, because
when you're out there doing that,you know, and you're running a team,
you know, at the time,you're putting so much time and energy
into posting things on your team's website. Because we were posting EVPs, we

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were putting pictures, So you're doingthat, and like I said, you're
running it like a business. AndI think to that point it was no
longer fun because it was no longerabout me and me wanting to go out
and have fun and do stuff.It became more of wanting to please and

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do everything for everybody else, youknow, because like a lot of times
now when you do residential, Ithink it's become more common where people want
you to come and they want youto find something no matter what you know,
and it don't work that way.And that's my biggest thing is I

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will never ever fake evidence and Iwill never pretend they're something there. If
there's something there, that's good,that's awesome. But if there's not something
there, I'm going to tell youthere to me, there's nothing here.
Now, does that mean it's notthere, that there is absolutely nothing there?
No, It just means when Icame in that night, I had

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no activity. Yeah. Yeah,So I find I agree with you when
you say that people can't we peoplebring you into their own property. It
is because they are already feel likethey're experiencings, and I think they bring
people in because they want their validated. And so when that doesn't quite go

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that way, there is that conflictand like you said, doesn't mean there's
nothing there, just means that atthat time you was unable to pick things
up. And also we do havethat where people interpret different types of activity
that could be put down to otherthings. It kind of grows arms and
legs and kinds of runs away.And when people bring people it is to

(16:17):
get validation and talking about when wecome. I mean, there's a few
times where I've kind of come awayfrom the paranormal. It always calls you
back in. I don't. Ithink it's more about the fact that I
don't think it's so much that peoplecome away because they are It's not so
much about burnout, I don't think. I think. I think sometimes it
runs its course and then naturally lifegets in its way, but it always

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calls you back in. It's justit's be addicted. It's addicting. Should
I say, Yeah, it is. And now that all these big names,
these big teams like you know,TAPS and Ghost Adventurers and not at
all, all these big name teamshave opened the doorway for it, the

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paranormal teams to go into these big, huge places. Yeah, it's amazing.
I mean, and I think that'sone of the biggest things that pulls
people into it, is the chanceto go to a Waverley Hills or Alcatraz
or something like that, to experiencesomething like that. I agree, and

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I think shows like that make theparan more paranormal, more accessible. But
I feel like sometimes even though it'skind of open the remit for people to
come in and be able to experiencefor themselves, I think that sometimes these
bigger locations make it less accessible forpeople. I think finance and have people

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being able to come along and stuff, I think I do think it's a
little bit gatekeepery in terms of,yes, the paranorm was more accessible and
more acceptable now, but not everyone'sable to experience those things because the cost
of being able to do it isI think it's got excessive to be able

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to book locations is gone. It'svery steep nowadays, you know. And
I always stop hobbies like me gettingin the golf or bowling stuff like that
was expensive. Well that stuff isnowhere expensive as this hobby, ghost higning,

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because ghost hugning is probably the mostexpensive hobby there is between all the
technology and like you said, differentlocations and the prices, I mean,
it's just it's crazy, you know. And I mean you can get to
some of these locations and it willbe a decent price, but if there's

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twenty people there, to me,that's hard. I don't want to go
with onny people because then I'm notgoing to get the experience that I want,
you know, because there's going tobe so much tainted evidence. Everybody's
because when you get in with differentpeople and different teams, everybody has the
own way of the way they dostuff, you know, and I respect

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that, but that's also what makesit hard for different teams because what works
for them may not work for us, and what I do they may not
want to do. So, butI like, I like going for the
I like going for the history ofeverything and just taking it all in.

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Yeah, I agree, I thinkthat's quite fascinating, and I think as
well, you're right, it's parallel. Research is very subjective, and we
all develop our own techniques and theway we like to work, especially if
you work on an an energy basis. But it is also when you're working
with someone else, it's quite intrusivebecause, like you said, they work

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their way, you work your way. It doesn't always blend, so then
you're not the focus on Then gettingthe evidence isn't there because it's there's this
friction that's kind of not marrying.So it becomes more about that than it's
just about the environment and stuff thatwe investigate, is so I do agree.
So with investigations, if you wasto what is your one of your

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favorite places to investigate and also whatis the one that gave you the most
evidence? If that's not the samelocation, Uh, let me see right
now, my favorite that I hadinvestigated would be Penhurst. And I'm not
taking anything Waverley Hills, but Pinhurstis just absolutely amazing. Like they're both

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huge. Waverley and Pinhurst are bothhuge. I mean, good lord,
I mean at Penhurst, I thinkthere's five six buildings that you can go
into, so that's pretty awesome.And probably the one place where I've gotten

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the most evidence is where I'm sittingright now, my house. All right,
So how do you feel about investigating? I mean, I have,
I do tested my equipment in myproperty, and I do. I've got
a video of a entity on thespirit box telling me to f off quite

(21:34):
ferociously, and I'm wondering how longthat spirit has wanted to tell me to
because I got meant it, Igot I got you on that one.
So for me, my kids alwaystold me there was something in this house.
I never believed them ever. Youknow, they said that the bathroom

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door would open. You know,I debunk That is what I like to
do. I like to debunk things, whether it's the wind, you know,
the doors, you know, littleoff balance to where it can swing.
So I look at that stuff andI blew it off for the longest
time. And my sister, mysister Heather, came in from Kentucky and

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and I was already in bed,and they came in and I come down
and she said, I just seenJena, which is my youngest daughter.
Jenna was probably eight or nine atthe time, and she goes but she
went in her room and now Ididn't see her. I'm like, what
are you talking about. She's like, well, I said hi to her,

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but she didn't say nothing. Isaid, well, Jenna's all sleep
upstairs in our room. And she'slike what and she she explained, this
little girl with blonde hair, blahblah blah. And I'm like, eh,
yeah, maybe maybe you're just tired. Well, then like three nights

(23:08):
later, my buddy Shannon Rodney,because we were getting to have a huge
cookout over summer, and we're inthe house and Shannon, who is an
empathy she feels everything. The heatherwas outside in the garage and we were

(23:29):
in the house, and then Shannonstarts telling me about this little girl in
the house blonde hair and stuff.I'm like, now, wait a minute,
now, this is getting kind offreaky. So I decided to do
a investigation here at the house andme staying all right, and my buddy

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William or upstairs in my boys' roomwhere they always said there was the most
activity, and we're just kind ofgoofing off, and me being me the
smart lift that I am. Isaid, this is my house. Now
said you know that I am thebutcher and you are the B word.

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Well, I actually have an EVPcoming back and just calling me the bit
the B word, and I'm like, whoa wait a minute. So that
was odd. And then it soundedlike somebody had taken a huge bottle of
water. It was tipping it andmaking the water sound as well. So

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that's probably that I probably have moreactivity. I had more activity in this
house than any other house, Imean, or places I investigated, whether
it's got it on evidence or not, because I mean, I live with
one of the biggest skeptics ever,and that's my wife and for her to

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sit there and us be in bedone night and see a little boy at
the end of our bed who shethought was our son, ateing and kept
asking what he wanted and this andthat because she was just standing there to
me turning on the light and nothingbeing there. Yeah, there's some that's

(25:19):
an interesting experience. I don't know. I don't know how I respond to
objectively seeing something. I think I'veonly seen objectively seen something once and at
that put I was like, no, don't ever show you yourself like again.

(25:40):
Never I was like this today.See, I'm one of those people.
And I don't know. For me, I think if I do see
stuff, it's out of my peripheral. Because i'll see something, I'll be
like, okay, there's something justthere. Is that just me? Maybe

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it was my hair, but I'dnoticed that even this morning when I was
at my coffee pop get my Americandark coffee. I'm just you know,
I get my coffee and I alwayspour some water in there, and I
pour it and I see something likethis, like I want to say,

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it's like a quick white miss,but I see it on up heir peripheral
and I turn but there's nothing there, and I'm like, maybe I just
ain't had enough caffeine or maybe I'mjust too sleepy, and that's that's what
I put it off to you.For me, I always have an explanation
of what it could have been thenmaybe going huh, that's probably something right

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there. How do you differentiate betweenthe two then if you sort of like
think that you're seeing things, butyou could always explain it away, do
you actually accept that you were seeingthings? So, so my hair is
kind of long, So like thismorning when I got my coffee, I

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was thinking it in my mind,I'm like, okay, well maybe it
was just my hair. My hairmoved and that's what I saw. So
because sometimes when people explain things awaylike that, it's because they don't really
want to admit that something's there,especially when you're at home and if you're
on your own and you're like,that could have been a shadow but something,

(27:29):
and I don't want to admit it. So I'm just gonna sort of
think it's you know, right,Yeah, I guess for me, I'm
still I went to call skeptic believer, Oh my god, look at a
hair Like I believe in the paranormalbut for me to believe it, which

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I know this is going to contradictme here, I have to see it.
Okay, even though I'm seeing thisstuff, I guess the probably me
is like, uh, you know, because I'm afraid if I go,
hey that was something, or heythat was something, it may end up
picking my family out even more.Even though my kids are on my team.

(28:18):
Okay, on my besides my twooldest step daughters, my boys from
my prest marriage, plus a inJenna or on a flatline paranormal now since
I brought it back, so it'sa family thing. And so have they

(28:44):
ever seen anything at home then?Or is it just being the adults?
You know? Does it bother themor do you try and keep it them
unaware of it until they were abit older. As far as the boys,
the boys kind of knew right away. As far as a Jenna when
they were younger, I kept itaway from him. So I don't want

(29:04):
say I kept it away from him. I guess I did. I just
wouldn't talk about it because at thetime I didn't want him freaking out because
you know, this is when youknow paranormal activity was coming out, you
know, when they started becoming gettingmaybe teenagers. The Conjuring came out,

(29:26):
and you know when they watch stufflike that, they're gonna end up in
bed with mom and Dad. I'mlike, I'm like, you know,
give me, give me some room, get your food out of my back.
Bro, I'm gonna throw an elbowon you or something. Yes,
room, go stay? You knowwhat, Dad being dad? You know

(29:47):
if I get kids to watch theConjuring, you know, Dad, sure's
heck going to find a doll likethat and bring it home. I think
I think he's the parents and aparent. If you're a parent, the
paranormal investigator, it's just this thething to do. But we've met.
When I used to go and getready for a paranor investigation, my son

(30:07):
was quite little and I used tosee them going on a bear hunt,
but I changed it to I'm goingon a ghost and I'm going to catch
a big one. And but forthem, they knew what I did because
I was quite open about it.But then if they actually what they thought
a ghost was and what they thoughtI was doing with two different things.

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Because they were quite comfortable with thethings that I did. Obviously I didn't
overshare they just knew what mommy's hobby. But if I mean, my daughter
saw once and it really scared her, but the thought of me going didn't
bother. Get so what they thoughta ghost was to what they actually thought
what I did was completely different.They separated it. But yeah, they

(30:51):
it seemed like a normal thing untilit was something that it wasn't right understanding
it. My kids have already knownin the paranormal. I mean even when
in Jena were little or younger,they knew I was in the paranormal field,
and they would ask some question,but like I said, I would
never talk about if there was anythingin the house. And they were curious,

(31:18):
you know. And we went outcamping one time, and I think
Aiden was nine, I think Jennawas seven. I think Devon was probably
twelve or thirteen. You have adev Yes, I do. Yes,
that is so awesome. Okay,sorry and no, you're good. And

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we wrapped the campground and I hadmy stuff with me, and they wanted
to see what it was like.So I sat down with him and I
let them do a small EVP sessionat the campground, and I think that's
what I intrigued them. And everybody'slike Oh, well you should know,
you know. If to me,if a child is interested, then teach

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them, you know, because Aiden, my son, Aiden, he's probably
one of the best investigators that I'vehad the chance to work with. I
mean, the kid is just reallygood, and you know, and I
think if if it sparks curiosity,teach him a little bit, don't.

(32:30):
You don't have to necessarily teach himabout the paranormal. Teach them about the
scientific part behind it, you know, because that's the good thing to be.
You know, that's something to incorporatein school, you know, learning
about different you know, your emF fields and whatnot. You know,
So it's not just that, butthe ability to learn discernment is a good

(32:52):
skill even outside of the paranormal field. So ask the right questions, yeah,
is actually a valuable skill anyway.So it's quite useful because, like
they say, if you look into debunk things in the paranormal, you
can also ask those questions in reallife, because I mean, that's what

(33:12):
they do theoretically, what they shoulddo in science. But a lot of
things in science get taken for grantedas well, and it doesn't get questioned.
And it's like, so the abilityto actually not be programmed to accept
a fact without looking into it isactually quite valuable skill anyway. And like
you say, just because you've gotkids doesn't mean you have to sort of

(33:36):
launch them straight into everything and demonsand really boards and that. But like
you say, a little VP sessionin a safe control I'll say safe outcomping
really control the environment, and notat home where you could carge yourself issues
if you've already got the activity anyway, like to say, you don't want
to ramp that up. It's justlike say it pizza curiosity, and then

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it's up to them if they wantto look further. Sometimes it's just enough
for them to go, oh,yeah, no, I know what that's
into, and you know, theygo back to you know, what they
were doing before. You know,yeah, I know this is interesting.
And you know, as a parent, that gives me a hobby that I
can do with my kids and allowsme to spend time with my kids,

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you know, because growing up Iwas athletic, so I played a lot
of sports, you know, wherenone of my kids besides and in Jena
they played soccer for a while,but they don't play soccer now, so
there's not a whole lot of hobbiesthat I have that they have, you

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know. So doing something like thisand having them a part of it allows
me to not just investigate, butalso allows me to spend time with my
kids and let's go out and enjoysomething that's true actly because it was my
My granddad taught me water divining whenI went to stay with them in Ireland,

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and it was like, it's alllike it's one of the things that
I actually remember because my mom waslike, oh no, he wasn't into
that stuff, and I was like, yeah, sure, because he taught
me to use dousing rods and he'dgot like Eric Const's Chariots and the Gods
in the bookshelf, and I wasjust like, I think there's some things
that he's not me telling you.But then, like you say, it's

(35:22):
it's a fun memory anyway because it'sit's a shared thing. It's like,
oh, I looked to water divinewhen I went to see my grandparents and
it's like, you know, becauseI say, I was never athletic,
so that, yeah, I've noticedas well. In America they do a
lot of camps where they teach youngpeople how to investigate. We haven't got

(35:45):
that in the UK, have weYou were already feel like that, Natale.
No, what's like what like youthcamps where they do Yeah in America.
Yeah, I've not heard of that. I think i'd I thought it
when I was younger. There that'sthe problem. I actually did that.

(36:06):
I held a class when I waswith Ghosts. I thought it would be
cool to go to a place andlet people come and teach them how to
investigate using different equipment. And itwas actually a huge it was a great
thing. I mean I think Ihad the twenty to thirty people there and

(36:29):
we went out to an old Wewent to a place called the Mississina Mississinhowa
battlegrounds from the War of eighteen twelve, and they got to go out in
this big battlefield and learn how toinvestigate. And what's that place never fails
when it comes to evidence. Imean, if you have an EMF detector

(36:52):
K two meter or whatever, andyou're in the middle of this battlefield,
you're out in the middle of nowhereand you're hearing sounds like the cannon's going
off, or your k to orianth is going off, that's just it's
amazing. Because you know, that'sstuff you just can't explain out in the

(37:15):
middle of an old battle ground.So wow, that does sound really cool.
Actually, rather than going to aspooky building, to actually do it
in o in space is a littlebit less intense, not not intense,
that's the wrong word, because it'sa battlefield. But you know, it's
like it's not an enclosed space.So to actually sort of be able to
investigate but feel like you're not closedin is actually a good idea thinking about

(37:38):
it really, And it's extremely it'sextremely wide open, and like you said,
it's not in closed, so there'snot a ton of people in one
location trying to Lauren, you know, because I mean, you can get
the experience, but you know,how do you know you're not going to

(37:59):
overwel there were spirits from all thatenergy to where they just don't want to
interact with anybody. That's true.Actually, I never thought of that because
you always sort of think about peoplegetting overwhelmed by spirit activity, but you
never really think about like large groupsof people in the spirits, like,
oh my god, it's like I'vebeen a bunch of toddlers running around.

(38:20):
I would go and hide in thatcloset. If I was a ghost and
that happened to me, I'd belike, oh my god. Yeah,
I mean think about it. Imean when you look at places like Waverley
and Pennhearst and all that, youknow they have thousands and thousands of people
that come through there every year.And if it's an intellectual spirit you know,

(38:45):
had you know, everybody wants thesame kind of experience. But to
me, you're not going to getto some kind of experience because to me,
like you said, maybe that ghostslike again, no, I'm done
for them for the night. Thisain't going to happen. I mean,
unless it's a residual energy that isgonna you know, it's looping itself over

(39:07):
and over and over. I don'tthink everybody, you know, not everybody's
going to have the same experience.So because we did what we have mentioned
this before, haven't we carry wherewe were? Like? Do the ghosts
get fed up with being asked thesame questions over? Like you say,
if you've got a spirit there that'slike a little bit more intelligent and like

(39:28):
it's like, you know, nota residual and they're just sort of like
really you're asking me that again,and like you say, with locations that
are investigated regularly, it's like,well, it's good like having toddlers,
isn't it. It's like watch,what's your age? Do you know you're
dead? And it's like no,I did again. You know, the

(39:52):
same questions over and over and over, and I'm sorry. If I was
a spirit, I'd be like,golly, you guys, just from that,
I'm going to have a shot ofsomething. It's going to go right
through. But I don't care.I can't handle this. You can understand
why they start swearing because, likesay, one of the first paranormal investigations
I went on, they were swearingthrough the spirit bus and I looked at

(40:14):
the go and I was like,did you just say what I thought I
said? And they sort of brushedit away, and I'm like, I'm
pretty certain that was just swear withoh yeah, swear. And I was
like, well, why wouldn't theyyou know, they're getting agitated leave me
alone. Yes, So maybe,like say, when you get some of
these sort of like spirits going off, I thought, you're sort of they

(40:34):
just having a bad day. Theydon't want to talk to you anymore.
This language isn't it? And Ithink as well with questions, I will
say I'm not I have run outafter asking the obvious ones, like so
well next? So I think sometimesyou get can you get the connection?

(40:58):
You're like, this is great?Are you getting like you know, intelligent
or you know, interaction going onwhere you're talking to something that you know
always someone that you know is givingyou, you know, answers back.
But once you have that moment,you're like, you ask you your normal
questions. It's like, so youknow what next? So with that in

(41:21):
mind, what are kind of someoriginal questions that you asked that a little
bit different from what others or howyou've other Yeah, other people have asked
you know, I like to askit things like you know, I want
to know what their favorite color is, you know, what food they might
miss, maybe what their favorite kindof music is, you know, because

(41:47):
you got to keep it different,you know, you know, could you
really got to think outside the boxbecause like you, like we were we
all said a lot of times it'sthe same questions over and over and over.
You know, yeah, Hey,what's your name? How did you
die? Howard? Are you?Are you male? Are you female?

(42:10):
So? Yeah, I definitely tryto ask questions are outside the box,
you know, and that's how youmanage to keep engagement as well, because
it's like, you know, whenyou're investigating, you tend to have well
when you're in a group. I'venever done the private investigation other than what's
happened to me personally, but soI've only ever done group investigations, like

(42:35):
you know, as a person ratherthan a team. But it's like you
get burst of activity and they giveyou like I don't know, thirty seconds,
maybe a minute, and then theyjust disappear, and it's like sort
of like wondering because like at homeand that I get spirits around for like
I mean I have my catboards goingoff for like ten minutes one night and
I was like to switch them offin the end because I was like,

(42:58):
really, stop playing with them.And it's like but like saying more interested
to them, so maybe they wantto hang around a little bit more and
poor a bit more effort in whereaslike you know, everywhere else, they
kind of descend and go, yeah, yeah, we'll just do the ghosting
press the things we're bored now andjust disappear and you're just sort of like
everything gone. But you know it'slike and yeah, so you're sitting at
home and you can have things whizzingaround you for like hours, you know,

(43:20):
even if you don't interact with them, and it's like it is it
is. I find that a bitstrange, the way it just cuts off.
You know. It's I mean,I know they can get sort of
the energy can get exhausted. Soit's this case of like say, reading
the environment, but it is weneed to write a little sort of like
alternative ghosts something, questions, noplaybook thing, so if we get bored,

(43:45):
we can just flick through and go, ah, yes, did you
ever play the tambourine when you werealive? Absolutely Martins or crooks? You
know that cracks America? Teal coffee? Do you do you prefer coffee or

(44:05):
tea? Yeah? With we neveryou with the enemy? Did you dump
it in the sea? That's whatI want to know the dad. You
know, just when it comes toquestions, you just you really got to
be outside the box. I mean, and like right now, coming being

(44:30):
in America, you know, it'sa little easier for me to ask questions.
But if I was to come overthere and it'd be different. I
don't even know. If I wouldask questions, it'd be like me going
to Ireland or Germany or any placeslike that, because well, I'm just

(44:51):
gonna say it. Okay, I'mAmerican, I speak American English. If
I go to Germany and I'm investigatingat World War two place, guess what,
I don't know how to speak German. So what makes me think that
I'm going to get a reply ifI ask it an English question? Not

(45:12):
all Germans spoke English. I'm sorry, And I think that's one of the
things that agitates me about the paranormalfiel, you know, because people go,
oh, I go for the history, and that's amazing, But you
have to think about the history.You know, I don't speak German.
If I was go to France toNormandy, now American soldiers died there,

(45:36):
that would be awesome. The Germansoldiers were there too, So I don't
think, like I said, Ican't speak German. So how if I
don't speak German do I expect toget a reply back? This made you
wonder, actually, you know,sometimes when you use an equipment and you
just get a period of gibberish,it may not be Gibberish. It may

(46:00):
just be a different language and can'ttranslate it. It's like because it's not.
It would be interesting actually with thosesome of the app things, like,
you know, if they had differentlanguages programmed into them all at the
same time, to see whether thatwould actually that's an interesting thought. It's
an interesting concept because I've always thoughtabout that, you know, because I

(46:24):
have you know, friends overseas allover the place, Ireland, the Netherlands,
England, you know, and Ithink that's always been one of the
biggest things I've talked about, especiallywith my buddy Shane over Netherlands and even

(46:45):
Mary, you know, because youknow, speaking Dutch and stuff for an
investigation over there, you know,that's their native language, that's what they
speak. So for me to goover there, I mean I could ask
questions, but in a sense inmy mind that spirits not going to understand

(47:06):
me. It's part of going tosay made reply, you know, but
it's going to be apply with somethingto me. It's going to be like
I don't understand you stupid, youknow, I don't I don't know what
you're saying, you know. SoI sometimes think when you go when you

(47:27):
see some of the ghost programs andthey go to the foreign countries and they
get English answers. It does makeme wonder like because you've got different kinds
of spirits, and you've got spiritsin the place, but then you've got
like your own like ancestor spirits thathang around you and other ones that are
a little bit more dimensional hopping becausethey're a little bit more savvy. And

(47:47):
it's like whether the English answers arejust foreign spirits on holidayday, like you
know, let's have a bit offun year, and that is that is
that is a good possibility because likeI said, you know, when I
look at places, some of theplaces that I would love to like,

(48:08):
I am a huge World War twoperson. That's why I brought up Normandy
in Germany. I'm sitting on aseat cushion and it just it keeps sliding.
I like seat cushions, and soso all these places I would love
to go investigate. Just you know, to me that that would just make

(48:31):
sense, you know, because Iyou know, I would love to go
to Normandy into France, you know, but I would want to be able
to ask questions in French better thanEnglish. Go to Germany. I'd rather
ask questions in German than English becauseI want to know. I don't want

(48:55):
to know the English part of it. I want to know that side Germany
and why that soldier did what hedid, you know, and what not.
So it'd be interesting if we sortof, like say, learned a
few stop questions, even if wedon't understand the answers. And it's like
to see whether as a as aforeign person in a different country and you

(49:17):
asked them in their own language,whether they would reply to you or whether
they would just sperit in their languagebecause we're not speaking to you, will
be an interesting experiment to do,actually, you know. And I think
I just may go to Boston anddump some tea in the sea, because
I do believe some American and Englishsoldiers died, so that would be extremely

(49:43):
interesting. Do you like that tea? Not anymore? It's like it's fighting
thought. This is you know what. I don't mean to be controversial,
but I do not like tea orcoffee. I cannot understand why anyone would
want to either of those. It'smulti lava. Why did you drink?

(50:07):
No? I understand the concept,but I don't agree with it, but
you know the concept of tea andcoffee. I understand the concept of it,
but I do not agree with it. Bit controversial English person not drinking
tea bas a no from me?You do hot chocolate then? Or is
it? Is it cold drinks only? Yes? Are you a cold drink

(50:28):
person? Absolutely? Absolutely? Whatwould be your cold drink equivalent to your
coffee? Marx? That's just asmuch caffeef not You are basically drinking cold
coffee but without the coffee. Allright, Yes, I am yes,

(50:50):
okay, Yes, you've got theconcept down of the caffeine and you've got
the concept there al just not there. Yeah. You know people will ask
me, uh, did you drinkcaffeine? Yes? What kind? Yes?

(51:12):
Please tick the boxes. All ofthem were saying. We were saying,
he's got that much caffeine in andthat if he does pass on,
he'll just carry on walking for threedays until the if he's a live or
dead because he's not capidated caffeine,he'll run out, he'll run out in

(51:35):
a little bit. Just let himgo. You won't be putting soil on
your coffee coffee grounds, like justburying him in a big pile of beans.
Yeah, you know that's a goodidea when when when it's my time,
people better bring me coffee and putit in my castle. I want

(51:55):
to be buried with coffee. Thereis company in the UK called it's called
Dead Happy something like that, andit's an insurance company and you pay for
your funeral insurance for it. Butsome of the requests that you can put
that you want to how you wantto buried. One friend said that they

(52:17):
were gonna get like a bronze statueof themselves, like the things you could
do with this company. So Ireckon there might be a Dead Happy equivalent
in America that were quite happily.Just bury you in a massive coffee bean,
right, coffee bean shaped coffee.That would be really amazing. You

(52:37):
realize how bad it would be ifsomebody want to drink something like that.
This dude's dead, he's dead,but I'm going to get a rush off
of him because I'm gonna get somecaffeine and me, so we're gonna be
good for the day. Yes,I have that is it. This Civic
Coffee is its coffee beans Summit.And then they come out frend and then

(53:00):
they grind the coffee up after it'sgone through this animal, it wouldn't be
I can't remember what the coffee iscalled. I think it's this is called
I think it's called a cooler cooler, cooler cook like that. Yeah,
So I mean if we sort oflike, you know, round through a

(53:22):
bit and exsumed you fifty years on, it might be a fine roast.
It's an idea anyway, coffee.It's like, do you want this stuff
for the hard stuff? It's like, this is definitely a dark roast.
I'm just saying, you know,he has it's a cat, and this

(53:44):
cat eats these beans and it deprecatesand they get these beans and out of
the poop and you grind it upand yeah, and I actually want to
try it. It's expensive, butthey say it's a really good coffee.
There's no aftertaste. So I mean, hey, you only live once,

(54:06):
man, you know, I'm goingto try me some I was in the
army for eight years. Trust me, I tried bad coffee. This can't
be any worse. So while shewas in the army, did you experience
anything paranormal or did you have anyexperiences while she was serving? I did
not, you know, but Ithink being in the military, you just

(54:32):
you just kind of blocked off fromeverything, if that makes sense, Yeah,
because the training and everything that yougo through is just takes so much
of your time. I used towork out a prison as a correctional officer,
and it's weird because i was sittingthere one night and I'd heard stuff

(54:52):
about the housing unit I was in. A guy when they were building the
housing unit that I worked in,a guy had a a massive heart attack
and died instantly where the shower roomwas, and so every now and again
you'd be sitting there and when theshowers were turned on, but no inmates
would be in there. So itwas doing it one night and I'm just

(55:15):
kind of walking over there and I'mjust I'm like, ooh, somebody's here,
you know, you know, becauseI'm smarter look like that, and
you know, I'm trying to bunkin whatever, and I said, go
back. I set down up mypodium and I'm trying not to doze off,
you know, and I have anormal hat on. So I'm just

(55:38):
kind of sitting there and all ofa sudden, I feel something. It
felt like a spiderweb like that,and I'm like, I'm like, what
the heck, you know, andthere was no spiderweb, and I'm like
okay, so I'm like, ohwhatever, and I'm just kind of just
sitting there. My eyes are closingagain. That's again. I'm like,

(56:02):
so to me being a smarter likethat, if that guy was there,
he was just letting me know,hey, dummy, I am here.
Because that's the only thing I canexplain, because you know, that would
have to be a long spider word. Because the cylands are like twenty feet
high, So that's a dedicated rightwhen people developed in their mediumship. So

(56:29):
people developed their mediumship, they sitin circle. When they first sit in
circle and they start developing, thefirst thing they say is that where they
feel the energy, it feels likecob webs in your face. Yes,
so it's the interaction of the energyand feeling an energy that you're not really
used to. So that that manwas yeah, I mean he could have

(56:50):
done worse. Oh yeah, alot less for sure. This day.
I'm not going to mention the showers. How you doing, buddy, I'm
going to show you. I'm real. Ye, We're not going to go
there. There is quite a lotof prisons over in the states that you

(57:20):
cannot un state the obvious. SorryCaptain obvious over here. But there's lots
of prisons that you can investigate.A lot of people have some weirdings.
I mean, I have never investigatedprison. I don't think I want to.
There's two places types of places Iwouldn't go. The energy there is
so intense. So with all thatenergy from the inmates as well as the
energy, and that must have beenquite an impacting place to work spiritually,

(57:45):
I think, do you think so? Oh? It is my whole demeanor
changed. We are a product.We are a product of Byron environment.
I honestly you feel that when itcomes to energy and everything, and I've

(58:05):
become a product of that place.I became angry and hateful because in an
environment like that, that's all thereis, you know, And regardless of
what people say, I mean,racism is alive and well in the prison
system on all sides. It's notjust this race or that race being racist,

(58:32):
all the races and so, youknow, and that makes it hard.
And when you're a correction officer likeI was, you are the enemy
regardless. So that makes it stressfulbecause you're always continuously watching your back you

(58:57):
have to because it only takes onebad person or one person to have a
bad day and they can take itout on you. For me, though,
I'm just a respectful guy anyways.So for me when I went to
work, that was my biggest thing. I was still respectful. I didn't

(59:21):
go with this godlike attitude. Hey, you're you're an inmate and I'm a
CEO, and you're going to listento what I say. No, because
guess what, I'm a visitor intheir house. I just come in there
and work. A lot of theseguys they lived there twenty four hours a
day, seven days a week,during six five days a year for however
long they're there. So that's theirhouse. So you go in there and

(59:43):
you're rude in their house. That'sthat's going to be trouble. That makes
a lot of sense, actually,Yeah, because you don't think about that,
that the prisoners actually live there init. Yeah. Think do you
think that coach is when we lookat the paranormal when we go investigating these
locations that do you think that's thesame type of approach that paranormal researchers to

(01:00:08):
have when they go and do theirinvestigations. Oh, absolutely. When when
you go into a place, youknow, it's all about respectability, you
know, being respectful and stuff.I mean, it took me a while
to learn that because when I firststarted out, I provoked, and I

(01:00:29):
provoked in a bad way, youknow, not demonic or anything, you
know, but you don't think aboutthat. But now that I'm older,
uh you know, I well,I provoked, but not in a hateful
way. More of can you touchme? Can you scratch me? I

(01:00:50):
don't think you can. But yeah, when going in a place I think
there was that is a bigger thingbecause I think if you go in like
that, there's more of a changeyou'll get activity than if you go in
there and start being negative, Becauseif you start being negative, you may

(01:01:13):
get something you don't want to dealwith. You know, there could be
something extremely dark there and you mayend up having to deal with that than
something a little bit more friendly.I think it gives you less chance if
you're respectful of things following your homeas well, if you're not being a

(01:01:37):
total idiot when you're there, it'slike they're less likely to sort of want
to follow up, you know,and if you're respectful, they're perhaps a
bit more likely to leave you be, yeah, rather than taking something dark
on. And and I don't meanthe demonic, Okay, I'm old school

(01:02:00):
for me. The way I seeit, in my opinion, your chances
are meeting something demonic Nike Zach Begans, who has met every demon in the
world, I'm assuming I've never comeacross anything like that, and I'm thankful
to me. I think your chancesare coming against something demonic is extremely rare.

(01:02:24):
I think there's less than in onesense, but I think there's you
know, whether it's a polar guysor something malettle in it that is angry.
Oh, absolutely that can happen.Yeah, I agree. You have
good people and bad people in life. There's no reason why they wouldn't be

(01:02:45):
that way when they pass over.So that's the way I see it as
well. Yeah. And also Ithink as well, in terms of engagement,
you get a different level. Soit depends what you want you put
in. So if you're looking forsomeone that's gonna if you're looking for an
experience where it's going to be abit aggressive, are you're going to come

(01:03:05):
with aggression. And sometimes you gottabe careful what you wish for because when
you get it, you get itand then and then it stays with you
for a while. That energy juststicks to you like glue. So I
think comany energy were just like wantingto know, and it's just evidence of
life after life. That's what I'masking for, you know. So,
yeah, you get a different levelof communication, which at the same time

(01:03:27):
is easier to measure, is easierto test because the quality and the duration,
whereas you get that short burst ofanger and then that's it. I've
only been in one situation where we'vehad a really really it went bad very
quickly, and we was investigating witha gentleman in who was in the UK,

(01:03:49):
and we had a gentleman that wasin America that joined us through scrap
and he was set up where hewas standing next to another guy. The
guy was just standing next to theSomething rushed the room and both of them
at the same time grabbed the backof their neck. Bear in mind,
this other guy was in Arkansas inLittle Rock and had not couldn't see the

(01:04:10):
other guy, so they couldn't seeeach other, but both of them grabbed
themselves by the back of the neckand it was like get off and yeah,
it's we ended up someone ended upgetting really really hurt and we didn't
even provoke. It wasn't even itwas more of a challenge, which there
was a member challenging it like,and that's kind of how it went really
bad, really quickly. And thatwas the only time I think I've ever

(01:04:33):
been in a situation where it's happened, and I would never want to be
in that situation again. It reallyshook us up. So he's be careful
you wish for as well in theproblem as well, it's like you never
quite know what you're dealing with.So it's like, you know, you
get a lot of entities and masqueradeas spirits, so you think you're dealing

(01:04:54):
with the spirit and then like yousay, if you if you are vulnerable
or the wrong situation or like sayyou've just got the right environmental factor is
happening and then suddenly it just turnson you and you're like, I wasn't
expecting that, because that happened tome a few times with the healing,
where I've thought I was dealing withone thing and it's been something completely opposite,

(01:05:15):
and I'm like, oh, wheredid that come from? You know,
it's all I was not expecting thatone. So yeah, I mean,
you know, there's no that's theproblem with the paranormal field, isn't
it, Because it's like the thingsyou can't take things that face value.
It's like, you know, likesay with the kids, it's like some
of the creepiest things, isn't itis the kids? And then you find

(01:05:39):
out it's not a kid and it'san entity, you know, or you
think it's an entity, but it'sactually a kid, I mean naughty,
you know. So it's like,you know, it's a whole other level
of discernment beyond even is there somethingthere? You're like, is there something
there? But is it actually whatit says it is? You know,
And it's it's a lot harder tosay. You don't often find outtil you
start poking, or if you've gota certain spiritual energy because I've said before,

(01:06:04):
I don't always get the nice onesbecause my energy is a little bit
sort of more spiritual. So it'ssometimes it's like I'll be like oh yeah,
la, and then bam, it'slike, well, you know,
it's like, you know, you'reseen as being aggressive when you're not being
aggressive just because your energy is like, what's the word contrary to their so

(01:06:26):
they don't like it and they goon the offensive. So yeah, no,
it's it's sort so I'm always reallycautious anyway, And it's like,
but it is interesting the way thesethings can suddenly shift and you just sort
of like or it's like you flipfrom one vibrational field to another. So
you're dealing with ghosts and suddenly thevibration shifts and you're no longer on ghost
land. You're on something else land, you know, or history land,

(01:06:50):
or it can shift and you don'talways get forewarning of it either. I
suppose that's what makes the investigations sofascinating, isn't it, Because it's constantly
changing from one second to the next, and you think you're dealing with one
thing and you suddenly find yourself ina whole different world that you know,

(01:07:10):
and then another one after that straightaway. But well that's my experience anyway
so far. No, And thatmakes perfect sense. And I think one
of the things is with these theyounger generation coming up is they don't understand
that m and I'll keep saying it. With all these shows out there,
they glamorize the paranormal. All thisis cool and that's cool. And yah,

(01:07:35):
you know they don't understand. Okay, this hobby can be boring as
hell. Okay, yeah, I'mgoing to happen, going to happen.
And there's times that don't happen,but there's times that does. And they
I think, like you said,they think it's one thing when it's actually

(01:07:58):
something else, and they're not preparedfor that. And like I said,
I feel that a lot of theseshows glamorize everything because now you got all
these teams coming out with younger kids, and they're not in it for the
paranormal. They're in it for thefame. Everybody heaps. Too many people

(01:08:23):
in this field won fame, andit's not about that. You know,
you're supposed to be out here helpingpeople, but now it's glamor. You
know, they want the glamor ofit all. See. It's a bit
concerning with that as well, isbecause when you it's the one book bear
I have with the pure paranormal investigationfield is that they're they're ignore the spiritual

(01:08:47):
aspects of it. And it's likesome of these things, like you say,
if you're going in with the wrongenergy or the wrong wheness that there
are other things out there and theyare bigger than you. It's like you
go in there with hubris and it'slike ego, and it's like and you
are at some point going to getor you're going to annoy annoy the spirits

(01:09:08):
of the place, so that thepeople that come afterwards, you know,
are going to have something else happenedthat they weren't prepared for. And it's
like that because I do feel sometimesthat they downplay the side effects of things
like this on a spiritual and amental and emotional level. It's like,
oh, yeah, it's cool,we'll go go something, we'll get famous.

(01:09:30):
But it's like you can also havenightmares and things following you around,
paranoia, you know, and allthe other things have bad luck and all
these other things that can happen toyou, and you know, if you're
not prepared to deal with that,Like say, it's similar to working in
the prison. The environment affects you, and it's like you can have character
changes and things with paranormal investigators afterall while their character changes and it's like,

(01:09:56):
so, yeah, it does botherme sometimes, and like you say,
it's it's all about the fame andthe kids don't have the same fears
the wrong word to use, butperhaps respect but weariness perhaps is a little
bit better. They will they're allbrought up to believe that, you know,
it's it's not what it seems,and it's not because I mean,

(01:10:20):
if you look at our folklore,I mean, our folklore is really dark,
and it's always warning us of thedangers of the unconscious and out in
the woods and the thing. Imean, I've wondered the woods on my
own before now, and I've seenthings in the woods, and I'm thinking,
should I be out here because I'mnot the only I'm the only human

(01:10:42):
here and these things are not human, you know, and you know,
but I don't know. It's justsomething that growing up my generation, we
don't talk about that kind of stuff. Mm hmm. You know, I
was born in so many grew upin the eighties and nineties or what not.
We didn't talk about that. Imean, something what happened You tell

(01:11:05):
your parents and they'd be like appsand that. And now, like I
said, you know, kids growingup, they're almost everywhere everywhere, and
it's just it's crazy, Like Imean, it's cool to see that's more

(01:11:26):
accepted now and people can talk aboutit. But like you said, in
this field now, I think peoplejump into it without really knowing about it,
and and I think that's from thebiggest problems because it's who accessible for
them in a way, you know, because like you say, you did

(01:11:49):
how many months of training and sortof like it sort of filtered you into
it, and it's it's sort oflike even with me, it's sort of
like being sort of like slow andover the years, and it's like,
but whereas now, I mean,all they need to do is watch so
many ghost programs on YouTube, gettheir mobile phanes, and they're off out

(01:12:09):
into the dark places. Yeah,yeah, I don't know. It's a
catch twenty two. I think becauseit's nice that it's accessible, but at
the same time, I'd rather therewere a few more caveats. But I
don't know, honest, that's justmy own experiences with it. It's I
wouldn't have liked to fill it whenI was a teenager. I think it

(01:12:29):
would have messed my head up.So that's just I agree. And I
think we spend a lot of timealive but working with death, and I
think sometimes normal normalized. Is ita lot more than what we it should
be. So there was a longperiod of time where I was more focused

(01:12:50):
on death and being dead, notme physically, but then it takes me
my life because I was up investigatingand then I'm sleeping during the day,
so it was effecting me. Butthen at the same time you think,
so, you know, got,I don't want to be that person.
Also apologize, But mental health issomething that's we're in crisis at the moment,

(01:13:12):
and people working with the wrong equipment. It's not even talking, not
even working with the energies, butworking with equipment. It becomes addictive and
except then everything rolls around it.There was one person that I knew in
particular that GOT that enjoyed. Idon't know if you remember, but the
was it Danny Big Beard and theEcho Box. There was two camps.

(01:13:38):
I remember there had been a rivalgoing on. There was two camps and
they brought out these apps and therewas one person in particular that I knew
that really kind of was in oneof the camps and used this particular piece
of equipment, and yeah, Idon't know. I think sometimes these things
affect people in a way that maybethey don't realize or and I'm talking in

(01:14:03):
general much just about this person.In general, if you become invested in
this particular piece of equipment, Ithink it can take over a little bit.
And I think we've got young peoplethat have got pieces of equipment that
they invest into. Probames a bigpart of them. It's addictive. You
want to get more, you wantto do more, so you push your

(01:14:23):
boundaries more and you got find placesthat really shouldn't be in more. And
yeah, I think it becomes abig part of their life. So I
think we have that danger of peoplehave it been influenced by the technology that
we use that already might be ina vulnerable position because of their mental state.
And I'm not saying this person hadany kind of those conditions. It

(01:14:45):
was just an example, But Ithink mental health does play a part as
well of young people. In youngpeople, and they're that natural drawn to
the darker side of things. Yeah, I had a point. I don't
know if I'm made that point,And I think a lot some of the

(01:15:05):
phone apps contribute to that because they'reeasily accessible and easily downloaded, and some
of them, if you read itsays for entertainment purposes only. But too
many people they don't take it asentertainment. They take it as factful.

(01:15:26):
And I Ghost Radar to me isone of them. It says for entertainment
purposes only. But I've had peopleget a hold of me using this thing.
And you know, it's got threelights here and oh my god,
they're right here. They're sitting nextto me, and this and that,
and you can go in with allyour equipment go like, listen, dude,

(01:15:46):
I don't know what you're looking at, but there's nothing. I'm not
getting anything, and they'll argue withyou over that. Oh I know this
gohoest raight r. It's it's showingme and it's telling me this and that,
and I like and I like,I said to me, that is
probably just the huge, hugest thing, like yeah, for god that's been

(01:16:09):
in this field, you know,seventeen years. I mean, I've seen
it evolve in what it's become to. And I like pieces of equipment just
like the next person. And I'malways looking to get my next personal experience.
But you gotta separate yourself from justto entertainment fun side of it that

(01:16:36):
some apps provide and to you know, apps that you really think is going
to help you out. So Ithink the important thing as well as like
being able to switch from investigating modeback into normal mode. It's like,

(01:17:00):
you know, because like you say, it's sort of dealing with ghosts and
things is a bit of a highanyway, and then you can get a
spiritual rush from sort of raising yourconsciousness to access that level, but you
also need to be aware of itthat you can switch it back down again.
And it's like, I think alot of people sort of like forget

(01:17:21):
that they need to be able toswitch into that mode and switch out of
or at least, you know,unless you're like a medium and be able
to turn it down, you know. And I sometimes you know, it's
like like you say, when youinvestigate too much or you've done too many
EVPs over too many days, yourbrain goes a little bit screwy and you

(01:17:42):
just sort of like, I reallyneed to stop this for a bit and
actually just you know, go outsideand do physical things or go down the
gym, and it's like actually getback in my body and sort of like
you know, and reset. Otherwiseyou do lose your ability to be grounded
in real life, and then itstarts becoming really confusing as to what is

(01:18:03):
real and what isn't, because it'sharder to prove what's real and what isn't
when you're dealing, like you say, and you've got the death aspect of
it, and like say, theaddiction and the tech, and they're using
the addictive psychology that they've developed inthe casinos and things to sort of keep
you going with it, and butyou're also you know, it's it is

(01:18:25):
a form of like drug in aweird kind of way anyway, because of
the bio biological things that happen.I mean, we have the ancient these
system and we as human beings,we crave that, we crave fear,
We prime it all the time.So you have things like the haunted houses
in I think it's in Holland,but only forty percent of them complete it,

(01:18:49):
and it's sold out for a periodof time. It's sold out,
and they report like people urinating onthemselves, throwing up, but they still
do it and they still go backbecause what they're looking for is that adrenaline
that you get, and essentially that'swhat we get from investigating is a rush.
Is the US prime and our fearsystem. So it is a bit

(01:19:11):
of a drug actually, and itcan overtake if you don't take control.
And I think every I think allparanormal researchers in their time have had a
period in their life where it wasjust about going out looking for ghosts and
catching evidence. I think everyone's hadthat, and then we've had to regulate
ourselves, and I think that's whenit kind of pull away, and then
you always get pulled back. Soyeah, it is interesting. But I

(01:19:35):
will say we've kept you over time, Scott. We've kept you over so
that I've enjoyed the conversation. SoI know we've covered it at the beginning.
But where can we find you?When can we find you? What
are you involved with? What haveyou got coming up? So you can

(01:19:56):
find me on Facebook and h YouTubeand TikTok under the Paranormal Jackass Podcast year
I'm looking at my dog. Idon't know what you want, but you
ain't getting done. Of course,you can email me at PJ Podcast twenty

(01:20:17):
three at gmail dot com. FlatlineParanormal as well is on on Facebook as
well. Right now until the endof the year, I am absolutely free.
I will be bringing up my podcastseason two for the Paranormal Jackass next

(01:20:38):
month. I don't have a setdate, but I'm working on it.
At it's just for the last yearand a half, I've worked two jobs
and so I've had very little timeto do anything, and as a January
fifth, I would be back downat working one job. So finally I
got that. Yes, so Iam excited about that and my kids,

(01:21:04):
so Dad, it's time to goto some other places to investigate. My
daughter wants to go to the ConjuringHouse, which they are taking openings,
so we'll see about that. Iknow they weren't. They want to go
back to down at Waverley Hills,so I'm going to make hopefully make that
happen. And I believe in SeptemberI will be returning two Pinhursts for a

(01:21:28):
second time and Gettysburg. So I'mexcited about that. That does sound exciting.
We'll make sure you share all ofyour new beginnings with us and we
make sure we listen share it withour listeners. It's been absolutely amazing to
have you nellieve your Gunny last questionsbefore we find let's Scott Free. No,
I think we've I think we've shockedeveryone and covered the fair range of

(01:21:53):
topics for tonight. Thank you,thank you ladies so much much. I
have to this is probably one ofthe better shows where we've just sat down
and come just have a great conversationand just talk about things. And you
know, thank you ladies so much. You come back again at some point

(01:22:15):
as well. Absolutely what she's infor at least, And with that being
said, when season two starts up, I gotta have you ladies on on
my show and so you the otherside of what it's like to be around
me. Absolutely, I'll be therewith Bells on. Yeah, thank you,

(01:22:39):
thank you so much for joining us, and thank you for everyone that's
listened, and we look forward tohaving Scott back and we most definitely look
forward to joining him on his show. Everything you need to everywhere you'll be
able to find Scott. We'll makesure we link onto this show as well,
and we'll say goodbye, thank you, thank you,
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