December 1, 2022 • 42 mins
In this episode of Parenting Decolonized, I welcome Princess Cole, a yogi, herbalist, business owner, homeschooler, and mom of three who loves gardening, traveling, and teaching. Listen in as Princess and I talk about decolonizing food, herbalism, and gardening.
In this episode, we talk about…
- The colonization of food and farming.
- Gardening as an act of resistance & The benefits of growing your own food.
- How to start growing your own food with limited space.
- Ways you can access affordable, nutritious food (with EBT too!).
- How to get started in decolonizing your relationship with food and gardening.
- ….and more!
Read the show notes and transcript here: https://parentingdecolonized.com/episode-59-decolonizing-food-reclaiming-gardening-with-princess-cole
To connect further with Princess Cole:
Visit her website: https://www.princesscole.com
Follow her on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/_princesscole
Connect with her on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/princesscoleblog
Check out the Alliance of Native Seedkeepers: https://www.allianceofnativeseedkeepers.com
Don't forget to share, rate, and let me know what you think of this week's episode on Facebook and Instagram!
This episode of Parenting Decolonized is produced by Crys & Tiana.
In this episode, we talk about…
- The colonization of food and farming.
- Gardening as an act of resistance & The benefits of growing your own food.
- How to start growing your own food with limited space.
- Ways you can access affordable, nutritious food (with EBT too!).
- How to get started in decolonizing your relationship with food and gardening.
- ….and more!
Read the show notes and transcript here: https://parentingdecolonized.com/episode-59-decolonizing-food-reclaiming-gardening-with-princess-cole
To connect further with Princess Cole:
Visit her website: https://www.princesscole.com
Follow her on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/_princesscole
Connect with her on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/princesscoleblog
Check out the Alliance of Native Seedkeepers: https://www.allianceofnativeseedkeepers.com
Don't forget to share, rate, and let me know what you think of this week's episode on Facebook and Instagram!
This episode of Parenting Decolonized is produced by Crys & Tiana.
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Welcome to the Parenting Decolonized Podcast.I'm your host, Elanda Williams, entrepreneur,
conscious parenting coach, and single momto one amazing tyler. I'm on
a mission to help shine the lighton how colonization has impacted the black family
structure. If you're a parent thatwants to learn how decolonize your parenting,
You're in the right place. Let'sdo this. Welcome back to the parent
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to de Colonized podcast. I'm yourhost Landa Williams, and today I have
with me Princess Cole. Thank youso much for joining me. Thank you
for having me so of course,like she said, my name is Princess
Cole, and I am a momof three, my homeschool, I do
yoga, garden and a herbalist andeverything in between. I don't really like
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to use the phrase, but Iguess you would say Jill of all trades.
So I definitely do a lot ofdifferent things. So I met Princess,
or not met, because we actuallyhappened at a person I was in
a few gardening groups and her namewas just all over the place, and
I was just like, oh,I want to be your friend. And
then I noticed that she was onthe parent to the colonized page, and
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then one day I asked about herbalism, and like three to four people were
like Princess Cole. Then I waslike, we need to be friends friends,
right right, And then from therewe just connected and started talking.
And I'm so happy that we did, because I just love everything about what
you do, what you represent,and especially as I am learning to be
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a gardener myself and creating this collective, a lot of what you do is
what we're trying to do, whichis reclaiming ancestral practices and coming back home
to ourselves. And so how Ifeel like gardening is an active assistance.
How you use the garden for selfcare and all that stuff. You have
a home garden backyard garden is alarge one. It's a pretty big backyard.
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Hours is probably one of the biggerbackyards in the neighborhood. And that's
probably because we're kind of on becauseyou know, usually the first house,
like on the very corner, usuallyhas the biggest yard because they're on the
edge. Well we're right next tothem. Hours is about the same size
too, so it's a fairly largebackyard. How much food do you think
you grow. Do you shop atthe grocery store a lot still or do
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you are able to grow a lotof your food? Yes, I do
still shop at the grocery store.One of the main reasons is because I
am still in the process of tryingto grow as much as I can to
be able to cut down on thegrocery bill. But the thing that makes
it hard is that Mother nature isunpredictable. It's really hard to try to
work with Mother Nature when sometimes she'slike, you know what, We're just
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gonna have bad weather because I feellike it, and then everything just diescause
yeah, she's sick of us andwhat we're doing to the earth and she's
had enough. So that's where thegreenhouse comes in. It makes it a
little easier to control the environment.So for people or listen to this and
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are like, oh, I dowant to grow food. I want to
garden, but I don't have space. Whatever mice would you give them?
Everybody has space, whether they thinkthey do or not, because there are
multiple ways that you can grow,and you don't have to always grow outside
in order to grow your own food. You can definitely grow indoors, even
if it's something small on your countertop, like those arrow gardens, or even
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something that you make yourself. Youcan definitely grow some of the things that
you use on a daily basis,whether it be like let us something else
small like radishes, And there area lot of compact variety foods that will
grow just find indoors without taking upa lot of space. So even if
you have just a window sill,that will work perfectly fine if you do
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it. Yeah, there's always That'swhat I learned. At my old place.
It had a pretty nice sized patio, was very large though, and
I was able to fit I wantto say, fifty plants back there,
and I missed mined with flowers.I need things to be beautiful, but
it was like flowers, but alot of food. I grew so much
food, but I wasn't prepared forthe amount of food that would come out
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of that small garden. So it'slike a mental thing too. Like what
I'm learning now is you have tobe like this is a lifestyle, Like
if you grown food, you gottabe able to eat said food or give
it away. I gave away alot of bell peppers because I just wasn't
cooking enough. I gave way alot of food. And while that's great,
the whole point of me doing thisis so I could eat healthier.
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Have Gia tried new foods. Ihave my size sided foods, things that
aren't available in the grocery store,and things that are available but are filled
with pesticides or really expensive to buyorganically. And we don't taste good or
don't listen to tomato. A homegrowntomato will change your life. Yes,
I never knew. And I gotinto to this whole gardening thing myself.
I started having a vision of buyingland and having a garden, and this
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is before the collective, and Iwas just like, how can I start
like sort of embodying this dream andgardening was a big part of that.
And then once I got out there, it was so therapeutic. And I
can't explain to you if you're nota gardener, and soil and bugs and
all that stuff bothers you. I'mgonna tell you right now. Once you
start, it feels so good tobe outside. And like when you grow
something, you eat it. You'relike, I grew this from the satisfaction
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in knowing that you did that youare able to feed your family because you
planted this little seed that turned intofood that you did not have to purchase
is one of the best feelings inthe world. If you have never experienced
that, you will never understand.It's so funny because we're so far I'm
from California originally, so far removedfrom the actual growing process. I had
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no idea that a pepper came froma flower bloom. And I think understanding
the process of how food gets toyou it's really important if you're trying to
be a more sustainable person. Evenif you never grow a garden, just
understanding the life cycle of plants andhow they grow it's important because then you
have more respect for nature. Youhave more respect for Yes, I was
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going to say that it makes youappreciate life even more when you can see
how these things are grown and it'sjust like wow, like this is what
happens, and it's exciting. Itreally is exciting, and it makes you
want to learn more. It makesyou want to continue doing it so that
you can see how everything work.You realize how connected to nature you are.
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The more you garden. We arenature. We are nature. It's
so funny because I was watching yesterdayabout like the Mysilian network. Basically the
mushroom networks create forests and without itsright. So watch that. Oh I
love those types of shows. Don'tget me started, because I was like,
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oh my goodness, like, whyis nobody talking about this? How
important fun guy is too are existent? It's how important bees are to our
existence. So there's this thing calledspecial supremacy. It's us really not considering
the fact that our behavior affects everythingelse because we are human. But that
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spider that's out in your garden,that's actually probably a friendly spider that's going
to help me, has every bitterright to be here as we do,
and really starting to I'm trying notto kill bugs unless they're like mosquitos,
because I'm not gonna get bit.I'm trying not to and they can't.
Yeah, exactly, I'm trying tothink about nature as indigenous people think about
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nature. And I only got thatto that place by gardening. When I
think about the resistance of gardening,I think about how all these food apartheid,
like coming from Los Angeles and seeinghow in certain places it takes you
a ten fifteen minute drive to getto a grocery store, but all the
way into that drive. There areliquor stores with every block, some ponds
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shops all these and fast food onevery corner, but hard pressed defining any
kind of fresh vegetable. So usgrowing our own food. It's fighting back.
These systems are literally put in placeto destroy people, poor people.
It's not that it's being done onpurpose, right, Absolutely, I definitely
noticed a difference. I've had abackground of living in the hood, in
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the background of not living in thehood, and you can see how everything
is set up. It's crazy tome. So yes, it's definitely meant
to keep us unhealthy, and that'smentally and physically. I think it's really
important if you absolutely cannot grow yourown food for whatever reason, maybe you
maybe staying with somebody and can't justuse their space, how you please get
to know somebody who is, becausethat's very important. It's very important to
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have access to healthy food. Itreally is. Like we mentioned before,
you can absolutely tell the difference betweenstore bought and homegrown. I tell you,
I hated peas. I hated Iguess the proper name is English peas,
the green peas. I hated them. They were so grows. I
don't care for it's frozen, caned. It all tasted the same and tasted
like this nasty, green, pastystuff. And then, for whatever reason,
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despite me not liking peas, Idecided to grow them. And once
I bit into a pod myself,it was like sugary goodness, Like I
never tasted a pea so sweet.They don't make it in the house.
They do not make it back inthe house. I will stand in the
garden and eat them right there becausethey taste so good and sweet and crispy.
And I'm like, you mean totell me that this is how peas
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are supposed to hate. So it'slike what happened to those foods that made
them taste so bad? It's like, you never want to go back to
that, Yeah, you never wantto go back to that. I will
never purchase a storeball peas ever.Again, that's also easy seasonally, So
we are just I gotta understand thesystem that the way it's set up is
not sustainable, but it also isn'tnatural. There are seasons for a reason,
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and so eating seasonally is actually asmore sustainable way to live, because
then you're on really is the thingsthat are able to thrive in a healthful
environment in that time. If wewere eating seasonally in the state of Arkansas,
I'll go to the store. I'mable to get centrius in the winter
and tomatoes and that, and tomatoesare a spring, summer maybe fall food
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early fall day and they die off. So it's just like the whole point
is that it's healthier for you toeat seasonally and it's more sustainable. But
also when you start looking into someof the things that these places that grow
these food have to go through inorder to get food to us year round.
Right, apparently there's a whole assavocado wars happening in Mexico. Oh,
yes, did you watch that documentarytoo, And there's I never knew.
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Yes, there's all kinds of stuffhappening with rapes in France, Like
all these things to get food tous year round causing certain collapses in like
infrastructure is causing getting wars, peoplebeing kidnapped over avocados. And so we're
thinking like I'm eating vegan or I'meating only fruits vegetables, but no,
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we have to look at dying clodsthat you're eating. We're not saying,
don't you avocados. What we're saying, is I understand what's happening in the
food industry, the system of oppression, all of them. They bank on
us being ignorant of what's happening.They don't want us to research, they
don't want us to know information.They want us to be ignorant because they
we could just consume. But ifwe're honestly decolonizing our minds, that includes
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getting information, and information really doesmake you change the way you look at
everything you can to. People wantto do this research and sometimes the research
and be like I wish I didn'tknow this. Yeah, because you have
to make a choice. Am Igoing to continue to invest in this system?
Or am I going to figure outa different way? And there are
different ways. And the fucked uppart, though, is that the different
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ways are yet to be affordable foreverybody. And that's so true. One
of those ways is gardening, becauseif you see these things happening, it's
like, well, how do Inot contribute to this? Still be able
to have access to these things?I have fruit trees. I did have
two avocado trees at one point andI left them outside and the frost got
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them and he died. So Ihave to purchase more avocado trees. But
because I have the greenhouse in anenvironment to grow those avocado trees, to
me, I feel like that helpsbecause I am not contributing to what's happening
with these avocado wars. How manymore people are doing that and how many
more people can do that, Ireally making a big difference. And that
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is where the education comes in.And that is where we have to educate
people to see the bigger picture andwhy it is so important to be self
sustainable. And it's almost scary becausesometimes I feel like people need to do
it quietly because the more self sustainablewe are, I could see it.
Now, they're eventually going to makeit illegal to grow your own food.
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I can just see it. Hopefullythat never happens, but they don't want
us to draw own food. Theydon't want us to do that, and
they press us us. Here iscapitalism, but we're talking about if you
start looking into like food brands.I think there's like five, five or
six top food brands and then controla lot everything. They're just different.
Their brands is a top food brand, and then they have all these branches
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of food brands that are meet them. But then they also start to control
things like seeds, water. Allthese things start to happen underneath these larger
those like the bigs food and thensome of those people who own those large
food brands also own broadcast companies.They also are people who are sitting on
boards in the government. So it'slike we have to understand like that when
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we say they were talking about thesystem of capitalism, and we're talking about
the fact that capitalists would do anythingto continue to hoard power and money.
So what do we as the peoplewho are trying to resist against that force.
What can we do? And oneof those things is grow food.
If you can't grow food seeking outa community garden, farmers markets, some
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farmers a lot of farmers markets nowexcept ABT, you can get a lot
more best foods a vegetable with farmer'smarket. If you have an EBT through
a farmer's market, then you can'tin the grocery store. And if you
have ABT, you can buy fruit, trees and plants. And see,
it's just about like looking and it'ssomething that you really want to do.
It may be hard for certain people, but you can figure it out.
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Whether you are like Princess said,go on to someone. It's like,
I want to grow my food.I don't have space. I see that
you have space like some kind ofbartering system, right, bartering. Okay,
so there's a whole cycle here whenwe discussed like, so it's like
farm to table if that's like themost sustainable way to live. But then
there's also like these box foods andthey're just like, oh, we help
you not have to worry about eating. Well, there's there's plastics or distribution
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centers, there's the trucks to getto you, there's there's different steps for
the food to get to you.It's what we need to consider as well.
All these different steps contribute to waste. Really, so as we think
about resistance, we got to startthinking about how many steps does it take
for this thing to get to me. Now, some of us really don't
have the capacity to even think aboutthis ship We are bogged down with life,
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right, So the best thing youcan do if you're in that place
you're just like, I don't evenfalk about how this got to be.
What I do care about is what'sin it, and if the taples,
if they're eyes. All these thingsI care about that. So the one
thing that I could do is togrow these herds, figure out how can
start or join a community garden ora see a safe program, Like do
you what you need to do foryour family with the capacity that you have
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to figure out how to ease intoa more sustainable life because you can't do
it at the time, and we'renot asking you to What we're just asking
you to do is to be moreconsititet of all these things, right.
I think the fact that food isso easily accessible, as far as oh,
I could just go to the storeand grab this, I always kept
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in the back of my mind,what if that wasn't possible. What if
they decided, you know what,this neighborhood right here, we are just
not going to supply their stores withfood anymore. What would you do?
It's happening. It's happening now,and it's not that's that thing, but
during the pandemic, it's happening rightnow. A lot of it's happening,
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right, It's happening. And I'msaying that because when I first started gardening,
I'm originally from New York, soeverybody that I knew was like,
you're growing food oh you country nowand blah blah blah because I moved to
the South, and I'm like,has nothing to do with being country.
And I'm like, people are sofar removed from knowing anything about growing your
own food, and not necessarily keykey laughing at me, but kind of
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just like, oh, sh ain'tyou know that? Ain't gonna you know
that. Even back then, Iwas like, well, what would you
do if you couldn't go to thestore and grab food off the shelf?
What would you do? And I'mnot waiting for that moment? And here
we are, because this is backin twenty fourteen when I first started,
and I was saying this stuff.Here we are and now every those same
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people are like, well, Iknow where I'm going if my store is
going out of food, and letgo the hell you're not, No,
you're not. You're not gonna comehere and eat my fucking food, the
food that she was laughing at megrowing. And I told y'all, what
would you do? Oh, nowyou're telling me what you would do?
You not come to my house.But what you can do is join some
of these gardening groups that Princess islike and learn how to do it.
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Because exactly we should not be now. Don't get me wrong. When you
start to grow food and you're doingit, your plants are healthy, you
had you get an abundance. Don'tplant a zucchini plant. Don't do that
because you will have zucchini and you'dbe like, all you need is that
one plant, because they produce alot. And I tend to plant about
three or four of those things.And yeah, so I like to freeze
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and do different things. I usuallygrow more than I probably should. But
it's so worth it. It's soworth it. A packet of seeds is
between a dollar or two or three, and you get so many seeds,
and that one seed will produce oneplant that's gonna give you multiple pruit and
more seeds. Exactly here, diligentabout collecting seeds. My main goal in
all of this, My end goalis to teach you how to garden and
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feed herself. So no matter what, we don't know what the future holds
for this country, and no matterwhat, she will have that knowledge,
she will always need to feed herself. She will I feel like a lot
of us Black people are reclaiming gardening, reclaiming stuff that was deemed below us
like from enslavement. Like, okay, I'm not enslaved. I don't want
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to grow all food. I wantto go to the grocery store and get
my food. Right, there's somuch but come on, now, there's
freedom in this though, because backin the day, they didn't do all
that to food. It was organic. They were just literally farming and then
putting it in grocery stores. Butit is complete different story nowadays. All
this it's so funny because I'm inthese gardens and they want so badly to
not have one pest, like allthese pests, pest, pest pests,
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no, would kill everything. Andmy thing is, if your garden does
not have pests, something is wrong. They should be trying to eat your
food and all the time, becausethat means that it is you're growing it
in a way that is like inline with nature. I'm not saying,
let the pests get to your shipbecause lemishes on your food in grocery store,
that's not natural. Folks. Wegotta like start thinking about things in
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a more natural way. I wanther to experience planning a seed, watching
that seed lank sprout, watching thatplant grow, carvesting from that plant,
and having that pride like I grewthis from this one seed. I grew
all these different pieces of food,and then I can collect seeds from that
piece of food and dude all overagain. Like it's such a beautiful cycle.
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It's so empowering, and I'm soexcited to see so many people trying
to do this right now or andare doing it right now. Black people
who are just are like, no, this is how we get free,
like mercy, from having to beat the mercy of a system that's actively
always trying to kill us. Whatblack people have to understand also is that
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we didn't start growing food during slavery. We've been doing this. The things
that we grow right now, Ikid you not, almost everything that we
eat originally came from the Motherland.And that's just what it is, Okay,
it is what it is. Sowe have to remember that those things
came with us, you know whatI mean. And the practices came with
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us. We taught exactly when wetaught. So it's funny because I was
going through a gardening book and theywanted to talk about like the Thomas Jefferson's
garden. Who do you think wastending that garden? Who youding that garden?
What are you talking about? Thatwas the enslaved people's garden that you
stole their labor from. So wewas out here doing this and the beautiful
part of what I'm trying to getinto this year, and one thing that
I'm going to be getting this fromPrincess is her herbalism course, because food
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is healing in so many different ways. I want to learn herbalism so I'm
not dependent on a pharmacy. Iwant my pharmacy to look as natural as
possible, to be able to healus from the food that we're growing organically.
When it comes to like herbalism,that's to me, is a whole
other level to like liberation. Absolutely, and that's another thing that we did
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and brought here with us, isherbalism. I'm constantly seeking knowledge, so
I literally like research things like almostdaily, so and I learned new things
every day. But I recently foundout a lot of different things that we
as enslaved people, are not inbooks, that we're not passed down directly
from generation to generation, but theseare things that we did. I think
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it's hard for people to understand thata lot of the things that you deem
is white people stuff was ours first? And indigenous people of Native Americans absolutely
right, indigenous right, Well,yeah, that's what I mean though,
But just you know, hours ingeneral, everything, everything, even the
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simplest things is baby wearing and breastfeedingand all exactly all that stuff that you
see people saying, oh, well, that's white people stuff. I'm like,
what are you talking about. Iknow it's not. We did this.
This is ours. And because yousee so many white people gatekeeping the
shit, you think it belongs tothem, it does not, and we
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have to take it back. Weare reclaiming, we are taking up space
in these industries, and I'm soexcited for it, Like it really is
on top of this idea of livingcollectively, living in a village, like
really putting that out there that wecan do that. That's my goal for
the next two years. But alsoin the meantime, learning how to be
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more connected to nature, how togrow my own food, how to use
the food that I grow to treatmyself when I'm not feeling well or my
daughter's been feeling well. And itjust makes me feel so much more connected
because one of the big things thatI've been feeling since having Jia is just
this call to know more about theAfrican side of myself and you and I
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discussed this before a little bit,like finding out that I was like fifty
four percent Nigerian was so amazing.I'm so proud of that. But now
I'm just like, Okay, well, Nigeria is a colonized term. I
want to know that tribe so Ican understand and like what language Facebook,
and I want to know like thosecultural traditions and even open to learning about
the other sides of me, becausethose sides of being the twenty six percent
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European that this is me off,I mean, it's me. Well,
I can't learn about it just becauseI don't. So I'm gonna learn about
that. I'm gonna learn about themeso American, I have all these I'm
like a freaking rainbow coalition, rightthe girl me too. It's so crazy.
Obviously, you know you're black,you know you're black, but then
it's like, to what extent,Like what black am? I? Where
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did my people come from? Thead a black person does not know that.
It literally had to take me totake the ancestry DNA tests to find
out that I was Nigerian and everythingelse. There were no African traditions in
my family. We were just black. And to be honest, I know
more about being Japanese than being Blackbecause my grandmother is Japanese. That's what
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I grew up knowing. I didn'tgrow up knowing anything about being Nigerian or
anything like that. So it kindof hurt a little bit because it was
like, damn, I had todo this to find out. It made
me realize how lost we are,and it made me realize why Africans call
us the last sons and daughters.We are truly lost, and I was
like it hurts, It definitely hurts, but also knowing that it helped ridge
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that gap because when you feel usabsolute African American, as a black person
and black African American in this country, we are sort of like, we
don't know anything about our African side, So how do we connect except for
being the black except for the melanineand knowing that we are descendants of Africans
and then America don't want us,so we just are in the same bow,
right. So when I did thattest and I got that results back,
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I was just like wow, likeI know and now I can look
and I can figure out how doI cook certain things, like I want
to throw the foods everything because Iwant to know everything, and I want
to go and visit one day.I'm gonna do twenty three and me and
ancestry because I want to see ifI can connect with people in Africa.
Possibly, right. But all thisto say, I'm just feeling this pool
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back home and connecting with ancestral practices, connecting with ancestors, wanting to just
feel like I belong somewhere. Idon't want you to feel lots either,
But I don't swap her cheek withouther permission. I'm wait till she gets
older to ask if she wants toknow, because it's so it's so important
for us to like and I know, I get why folks are just like,
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I'm not doing that, and that'smore power to you. I felt
like this was more important than theother stuff around, like DNA, Like
what they're doing this research have ourDNA from the time from the day we
were born. Yeah, it doesn'teven matter at this point. They already
had it. And it's actually Ispoke to a black duniality. She was
like all the stuff that's in themedia is so wrong. They're not able
to do certain things with your DNAwithout your concert. This pool, though,
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was so strong in me. Iwas like, I have to do
this and so again finding out thatinformation and now I'm just like, okay,
what was it would be grown inthat region? And can I grow
it in my region? You know, I'm the South. I grow things
like oprah and cow peas and brightpotatoes. We can't grow yams here.
I don't think when you're your potatoes, yeah, sweet potatoes definitely. It's
crazy because that's how sweet potatoes werecalled yams because they looked like yam.
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So when people say, oh,I'm making candy yams, no you're not
sweet potatoes. Yeah, yams aregrown in Africa, you know exactly.
We can't grow yams out here.Well certain climates, people can't desert climate.
But either way, I'm growing tosue potatoes as in ancestral things.
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I want like my garden to representthese things from my home. And I
didn't know at the time. Itwas a few years ago. I saw
this egg plant, I saw seedsfor this egg plant. I was like,
Oh, that looks kind of cool. Let me go ahead and buy
something, and for some reason,like the seeds wouldn't germanate and they probably
just bad seeds. And I kepttrying again, thinking it was me,
and I was like, no,probably this company just just selling bad seeds
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for this variety. And it wasn'tuntil maybe about a year or so ago
that I learned that particular eggplant camefrom Africa. And I was like,
scratch my head because every time Isee this variety on a website, it
says Turkish eggplant and it's a small, round orange eggplant and it says Turkish
eggplant. I says, oh,hell no, they're trying to change the
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name on something. Again. Isaid, so, if I ever get
the opportunity to grow this eggplant andsave the seeds to sell on my seed
site, I am going to nameit what it is, yes, because
I can't stand it. And it'sthe same thing with the fish pepper.
White people are trying to call itthe candy cane pepper and I'm like,
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no, stop, it is calledfish pepper for a reason. Stop trying
to change our stuff. I willmake sure I do everything I can to
make sure that that candy cane bullshitdon't stick well. Being from the South.
I feel like there's a lot ofdisconnects Southern food. People really be
like, oh, Southern food whenactually it's like it's a it's African food.
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And I follow a few people onYouTube and it's one of the girls
as a white girl, and she'slike, oh, I love Oker and
Oaker is so Southern. I'm justlike, Okay, it's African. So
of course I went to her andYouTube and yes, now that it's here,
it's a Southern food, but nothy roots man, like, no
where exactly came from? So youcan pay homage to that that Paul robeson
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tomato? Do you even know whathe stood for? Right? Did you
even know who he is? Youknow who he is? Right? And
if you did, would you stillgrow it? You know what I'm saying,
Like you love the taste, butdo you love the man that is
named after? Right? I'm evengoing to all that. So all I'm
saying is like, it's so thatwhen you start doing your research around like
seeds, and I refused to buyfrom certain seed companies Bankers Creecket, I
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refused to buy from them. Ohgirl, I learned about some stuff that
they did a couple of years ago. I was like, oh no,
it's always felt a little funny buyingthings from them anyway, because I'm like,
whereogy, that's why it feels verycold. Yeah, so they did.
I was like, oh, yeah, I think it's a Clive Bundy
thing. I just really want tosupport native seed keepers, black seed companies,
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sea companies like Sea Savers, whoare very diligent about giving back to
the native communities and about saving seedsin a way that's not colonizing after they
get them. I'm very diligent nowabout where I get seeds from, and
I really hope y'all are too.Baker's Creek comes out with a beautiful sea
cantalog every single year. It looksreally nicely nice. It's so operational,
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and you want to grow all everythingin it. But no, I'm gonna
go and get seed catalogs for otherplaces. And as a matter of fact,
I'll make sure Princess has she sellsseeds, and she has an herbalism
course and other courses that you didn'ttake her and I are actually partnering up
this year to offer some gardening coursesover the course of the growing season.
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Around like seeds starting around, likewhen the harvest and all that stuff.
But she also has a blog tohelp into the direction of black owned seed
companies because there's not a lot ofus. There's just not a lot of
us. There's not a lot ofus, but there are more of us
than we think. Then we think. That's what I'm surprised about when I
read your block, So I'll makesure link that in the show notes.
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So y'all can support these places becausewe need to start reclaiming that energy too.
And Native I think I also havepurchased recently from Native Alliance of seed
Keepers. Anyway, try to findsome seed companies that are black and Indigenous
to support, and be diligent aboutwho you're giving your money to throughout the
charting season, actually all the time, be diligent about like who has been
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money with, and look to theirpolitics. It matters. You're funding someone
who does not care about your life, you're funding right. I refuse to
fund those types of people. Ireally want to make sure that my business,
my money is going to especially blackwomen, but black and Indigenous people.
Hopefully, as this catches on,there's more of us that can do
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things like seed trays and farming equipment. We're closing that loop again and circulating
the dollar again and not outside allthe time. So when I said I
wanted to ask you as far aslike gardening as a doctor existence, what
do you feel around that? It'sa lot. And I can see how
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people can be intimidated by it becauseit's not something you know, just I'm
just complaining to see leaving and itgrows, and it's not as simple as
that. And I can definitely understandhow somebody can see people gardening and then
be like, I don't know ifI could do that, but you would
do it if your life depended onit, and I do it as if
my life depends on it, becauseat this point we're already in the middle
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of our lives depending on it.Are we really going to wait until we
reach the moment where we literally arelike, oh shit, what the fuck
do I do now? I'm notwaiting on that moment. We are already
in the middle of it, soit's happening. I think it's really important
to just dive in and learn everythingyou can because your survival it depends on
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it. It really does. AndI don't think people are really getting that.
Seeing pictures of these empty shells onsocial media should really make you sit
back and say, what the fuck, because why is it happen. It
doesn't have to happen, but it'shappening, so you people really need to
take it seriously because it's life ordeath out here. I think about the
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supply chain and how it is dependenton slave labor, basically slave wages,
slave capitalism. Even still even thoughtoday, because we're talking about people in
factories to get paid very very little, very little. I think it was
Kelloggs. Those people just won amajor victory by boycotting. They're like,
we need better pay, we needbetter benefits, like y'all Kelloggs pay us,
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and they were they didn't want tobecause of our protests. People were
like, I'm not buying Tailoggs anymore, and their protests right, they one
their new contract. But there's somany of these industries that depend on low
wage labor and it's dangerous works,like working in these chicken factories and these
hag factories. It is very dangerouswork. And sometimes they will send that
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overseas because it is dangerous and peoplework for even less and they don't have
any benefits. I don't want tobe a part of that anymore, of
the exploitation of people. I'm stillgonna meet things like Flower, still gonna
have to depend on a store andsome capacity. But I'm gonna figure out
who can I barter with, whocan I partner with to be able to
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get this organically sustainably where people aren'tbeing harmed, because the food industry is
so harmful to us and to thepeople who are tasked with working within it.
As we think about looking at theseempty shelves, and you got to
think about the pandemic has impacted theirability to go to work. These people
are dying, some of them,right, you know, and they were
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forced to actually go and stay andwork in the very beginning of the pandemic.
So what we're seeing is the effectof capitalism not caring about people.
If nothing wakes you up more thanseeing how many foods and ingredients that are
banned in other countries but legal here. I don't think people know that.
I remember going to Germany and eatingsome of the best yogurt I've ever had
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in my life, right because theUK does not allow GMO food, which
is crazy to me, because theythe ones who got this ship like this
in the first place, taking usfrom our whole land and bringing us here
and feeding us poison. But thenover there they're cool and they find they
got all the natural ingredients and noprocess nothing, and the legal over there.
But it's not over here. Andthese are the same companies. You
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know, what I learned recently isthe food that the spray, the pest
sides that they spray on fruits andvegetables, that came from World War two
from the same people who made thegas champers. It's the same gas and
they just tweaked it for pests forfood. So the US after World War
two recruited the German people who createdthe gas chambers and said, hey,
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we need this recipe. We needto figure out like how to get this
food together like so it could stoprotting and be shelf stable. So they
dropped them over here and using thatsame recipe from the gas chambers, they
made a new recipe to spray onfood, and heavily in the forties fifties
advertised it to food companies. Andthat's what people are eating. We are
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eating the same like the pesticides,and it's not just like on fruits.
You gotta understand the stuff that's inthe box. Everything, the stuff that's
in the box. Stuff it comesfrom fruits and vegetables that's been sprayed and
wheat and you know, grains that'sbeen sprayed with this stuff, right,
doesn't give us nobody. Nothing escapesthat. It's the same formula just twisted
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crazy that killed six million people.It's like, you gotta understand the history.
And once you know that history,like once I realized, I was
like sickened. I was like thisis yeah, it broke my heart.
And then you wonder why people arejust getting cancer out of nowhere and all
these other kind of diseases and youcan't even really pinpoint where it came from
because this poison isn't everything you eatand everything you touch. So what that
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said, The whole point of thisepisode was to hopefully empower you to grow
your own food in some capacity,to really think about gardening, about herbalism,
about reclaiming incestral practices as an activeresistance against capitalism, a system that's
designed to do humanize and kill people. We really hope that you're able to
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understand like the importance of this whatadvice can you give like the beginning gardener,
like where can it go? Tofigure out? How do I get
started with this? The very firstthing you want to do is make sure
you learn what your grow zone is, and what your frost dates are and
what you can grow in what season, because once you understand that, it
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will really help you to be successfulwith gardening because you can't just grow anything
at any time, so it's reallyimportant to learn what you can grow and
when you can grow it. Andblack girls were gardenings. Come on over,
black girls were gardens on Facebook group, So get in there and everybody
who helps. And all you gottado is Google. Yeah, you can
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say. If you're tring to figureout your grow zone, all you have
to do is google your zip codegrow zone zip code, and then you'll
see it'll tell you what zone you'rein. Some websites will actually give you
a list with dates to tell youwhen you can start these things. It'll
give you your frost date as wellas how many frost free dates you have
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in between the first and last frostdates. All these websites will give you
all that stuff. Actually have ablog post called novas Gardening or something like
that. I can't think of offthe top of my head with all of
the things that you can do toget started to garden. Okay, So
speaking of where can people find,you start out finding me on www dot
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Princesscole dot com and all of myinformation is on their cars, even my
other websites and social media and anywhereelse that you can find. And again,
she is one of the moderators andthe Facebook group Black Girls with Edible
Gardens, And I'm in a fewa few gardening groups. One of them
is Black Girls with contain Our Gardens. One of them is Black Urban Gardens
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and Black Farmers. And if you'renot black and you're listening to this,
there are a plethora of groups foreall. So just you know, on
Facebook, go on Facebook because youwill get so much information in those rites.
They really helped me get started,Like I was very thankful for the
online communities that helped me to learnhow to start growing food. But don't
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skip on listen, don't stip onYouTube because you couldn't your life. You're
all gardening life. Okayes are YouTube, go down the YouTube gardening rabbit hole
and it is just like wow,oh, I'm not going to build a
greenhouse now, okay from cattle panright, you ever had done it to
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know that you know how to doit because you don't watch so many videos.
Listen, I made more compos soit's like it it makes you feel
like you can build a house.If you could build a greenhouse, I
can't do it. It does empoweryou, so like going down that YouTube
rabbit hole and don't be afraid tolike reach out for help. So again,
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we're gonna be having some workshops withme, very low cost workshops to
help gardeners who want to get startedgrow foods. Will include that schedule into
the show notes, and we're goingto be doing like a couple free ones
to just get y'all started because thisis so important. We want as many
people as possible to start growing theirfood. That's like part of my nation
outside of like to me, thisis part of conscious parenting because we got
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to teach our children this information wasnot passed down by our parents, and
for some people, their parents parentswho had a garden, but they so
wanted to focus on college degrees andbig houses and and that's no shade to
education, but this is education thatwill save our lives and so my goal
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is to not have any more generationsof lost information of stuff like the rest
feeding, baby wearing, gardening.This is part of us and we need
to read right, what if thepaunt as a parenting mean to you?
For me is just making sure thatmy kids have the tools and the education
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to be able to navigate life asblack people. The things that I didn't
grow up learning that I wish Iknew when I was younger because it would
have helped me make better decisions.And my daughter is almost seventeen, so
I do not want her to gothrough the things that I went through because,
like I said, had I knowna lot of the things that I
learned on my own as an adult, I truly wish that that knowledge was
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passed down to me because my lifewould be so much different if you'd told
me at seventeen that I was goingto be gardening in the herbalistic that you
had two heads, because I didn'tcare about that stuff. Showing her and
of course the babies as well.Like you know, this is a part
of life. I feel like thisis a part of life that everybody needs.
Well, thank you so much,Princess, Thank you so much for
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joining me and thank you for havinginspiration. Like I said, I've been
like facebook stalking to you for aminute now, and I was just like,
how could we be friends? Ilook at black women, I'm just
like I want to be their friends, so man, but I don't want
to be like the person in theircomments or their dams, like can we
please? Can I have friends?Listen? I don't see anything wrong with
that. I say, shoot yourfriend shot shot. You never know.
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Somebody did that to me a coupleof years ago. You had been talking
on Instagram back and forth for awhile, and then one day she was
like, you want to be mybest friend? I was like, girl,
yes, I love it. Yeah, suck it, like we just
connected. Sometimes you just gotta gofor it, just like how you do
with people you think you want tobe in a romantic relationship. There's nothing
wrong with seeing somebody you want tobe friends with and being like, but
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you want to be my friend?Well, thank you and thank you for
accepting my friend request. And again, look out for workshops that we're going
to be posting about. Y'all canjoin us, and again they will be
equitably priced. But also keep itin mind that as much as we want
to be able to give away stuff. We have families to feed, bills
to pay, and unfortunately we justdon't have the financial capacity to give all
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of our stuff away for free.But there will be a couple free workshops
for those who need them. Allright, y'all, well, thank you
for joining me for this amazing podcast. Please make sure to leave a ready
a review and let me know whatyou think in the comment section on social
media. And until then, tillnext time, keep it conscious.
Welcome to the Parenting Decolonized Podcast.I'm your host, Elanda Williams, entrepreneur,
conscious parenting coach, and single momto one amazing tyler. I'm on
a mission to help shine the lighton how colonization has impacted the black family
structure. If you're a parent thatwants to learn how decolonize your parenting,
You're in the right place. Let'sdo this. Welcome back to the parent
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to de Colonized podcast. I'm yourhost Landa Williams, and today I have
with me Princess Cole. Thank youso much for joining me. Thank you
for having me so of course,like she said, my name is Princess
Cole, and I am a momof three, my homeschool, I do
yoga, garden and a herbalist andeverything in between. I don't really like
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to use the phrase, but Iguess you would say Jill of all trades.
So I definitely do a lot ofdifferent things. So I met Princess,
or not met, because we actuallyhappened at a person I was in
a few gardening groups and her namewas just all over the place, and
I was just like, oh,I want to be your friend. And
then I noticed that she was onthe parent to the colonized page, and
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then one day I asked about herbalism, and like three to four people were
like Princess Cole. Then I waslike, we need to be friends friends,
right right, And then from therewe just connected and started talking.
And I'm so happy that we did, because I just love everything about what
you do, what you represent,and especially as I am learning to be
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a gardener myself and creating this collective, a lot of what you do is
what we're trying to do, whichis reclaiming ancestral practices and coming back home
to ourselves. And so how Ifeel like gardening is an active assistance.
How you use the garden for selfcare and all that stuff. You have
a home garden backyard garden is alarge one. It's a pretty big backyard.
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Hours is probably one of the biggerbackyards in the neighborhood. And that's
probably because we're kind of on becauseyou know, usually the first house,
like on the very corner, usuallyhas the biggest yard because they're on the
edge. Well we're right next tothem. Hours is about the same size
too, so it's a fairly largebackyard. How much food do you think
you grow. Do you shop atthe grocery store a lot still or do
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you are able to grow a lotof your food? Yes, I do
still shop at the grocery store.One of the main reasons is because I
am still in the process of tryingto grow as much as I can to
be able to cut down on thegrocery bill. But the thing that makes
it hard is that Mother nature isunpredictable. It's really hard to try to
work with Mother Nature when sometimes she'slike, you know what, We're just
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gonna have bad weather because I feellike it, and then everything just diescause
yeah, she's sick of us andwhat we're doing to the earth and she's
had enough. So that's where thegreenhouse comes in. It makes it a
little easier to control the environment.So for people or listen to this and
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are like, oh, I dowant to grow food. I want to
garden, but I don't have space. Whatever mice would you give them?
Everybody has space, whether they thinkthey do or not, because there are
multiple ways that you can grow,and you don't have to always grow outside
in order to grow your own food. You can definitely grow indoors, even
if it's something small on your countertop, like those arrow gardens, or even
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something that you make yourself. Youcan definitely grow some of the things that
you use on a daily basis,whether it be like let us something else
small like radishes, And there area lot of compact variety foods that will
grow just find indoors without taking upa lot of space. So even if
you have just a window sill,that will work perfectly fine if you do
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it. Yeah, there's always That'swhat I learned. At my old place.
It had a pretty nice sized patio, was very large though, and
I was able to fit I wantto say, fifty plants back there,
and I missed mined with flowers.I need things to be beautiful, but
it was like flowers, but alot of food. I grew so much
food, but I wasn't prepared forthe amount of food that would come out
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of that small garden. So it'slike a mental thing too. Like what
I'm learning now is you have tobe like this is a lifestyle, Like
if you grown food, you gottabe able to eat said food or give
it away. I gave away alot of bell peppers because I just wasn't
cooking enough. I gave way alot of food. And while that's great,
the whole point of me doing thisis so I could eat healthier.
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Have Gia tried new foods. Ihave my size sided foods, things that
aren't available in the grocery store,and things that are available but are filled
with pesticides or really expensive to buyorganically. And we don't taste good or
don't listen to tomato. A homegrowntomato will change your life. Yes,
I never knew. And I gotinto to this whole gardening thing myself.
I started having a vision of buyingland and having a garden, and this
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is before the collective, and Iwas just like, how can I start
like sort of embodying this dream andgardening was a big part of that.
And then once I got out there, it was so therapeutic. And I
can't explain to you if you're nota gardener, and soil and bugs and
all that stuff bothers you. I'mgonna tell you right now. Once you
start, it feels so good tobe outside. And like when you grow
something, you eat it. You'relike, I grew this from the satisfaction
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in knowing that you did that youare able to feed your family because you
planted this little seed that turned intofood that you did not have to purchase
is one of the best feelings inthe world. If you have never experienced
that, you will never understand.It's so funny because we're so far I'm
from California originally, so far removedfrom the actual growing process. I had
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no idea that a pepper came froma flower bloom. And I think understanding
the process of how food gets toyou it's really important if you're trying to
be a more sustainable person. Evenif you never grow a garden, just
understanding the life cycle of plants andhow they grow it's important because then you
have more respect for nature. Youhave more respect for Yes, I was
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going to say that it makes youappreciate life even more when you can see
how these things are grown and it'sjust like wow, like this is what
happens, and it's exciting. Itreally is exciting, and it makes you
want to learn more. It makesyou want to continue doing it so that
you can see how everything work.You realize how connected to nature you are.
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The more you garden. We arenature. We are nature. It's
so funny because I was watching yesterdayabout like the Mysilian network. Basically the
mushroom networks create forests and without itsright. So watch that. Oh I
love those types of shows. Don'tget me started, because I was like,
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oh my goodness, like, whyis nobody talking about this? How
important fun guy is too are existent? It's how important bees are to our
existence. So there's this thing calledspecial supremacy. It's us really not considering
the fact that our behavior affects everythingelse because we are human. But that
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spider that's out in your garden,that's actually probably a friendly spider that's going
to help me, has every bitterright to be here as we do,
and really starting to I'm trying notto kill bugs unless they're like mosquitos,
because I'm not gonna get bit.I'm trying not to and they can't.
Yeah, exactly, I'm trying tothink about nature as indigenous people think about
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nature. And I only got thatto that place by gardening. When I
think about the resistance of gardening,I think about how all these food apartheid,
like coming from Los Angeles and seeinghow in certain places it takes you
a ten fifteen minute drive to getto a grocery store, but all the
way into that drive. There areliquor stores with every block, some ponds
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shops all these and fast food onevery corner, but hard pressed defining any
kind of fresh vegetable. So usgrowing our own food. It's fighting back.
These systems are literally put in placeto destroy people, poor people.
It's not that it's being done onpurpose, right, Absolutely, I definitely
noticed a difference. I've had abackground of living in the hood, in
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the background of not living in thehood, and you can see how everything
is set up. It's crazy tome. So yes, it's definitely meant
to keep us unhealthy, and that'smentally and physically. I think it's really
important if you absolutely cannot grow yourown food for whatever reason, maybe you
maybe staying with somebody and can't justuse their space, how you please get
to know somebody who is, becausethat's very important. It's very important to
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have access to healthy food. Itreally is. Like we mentioned before,
you can absolutely tell the difference betweenstore bought and homegrown. I tell you,
I hated peas. I hated Iguess the proper name is English peas,
the green peas. I hated them. They were so grows. I
don't care for it's frozen, caned. It all tasted the same and tasted
like this nasty, green, pastystuff. And then, for whatever reason,
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despite me not liking peas, Idecided to grow them. And once
I bit into a pod myself,it was like sugary goodness, Like I
never tasted a pea so sweet.They don't make it in the house.
They do not make it back inthe house. I will stand in the
garden and eat them right there becausethey taste so good and sweet and crispy.
And I'm like, you mean totell me that this is how peas
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are supposed to hate. So it'slike what happened to those foods that made
them taste so bad? It's like, you never want to go back to
that, Yeah, you never wantto go back to that. I will
never purchase a storeball peas ever.Again, that's also easy seasonally, So
we are just I gotta understand thesystem that the way it's set up is
not sustainable, but it also isn'tnatural. There are seasons for a reason,
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and so eating seasonally is actually asmore sustainable way to live, because
then you're on really is the thingsthat are able to thrive in a healthful
environment in that time. If wewere eating seasonally in the state of Arkansas,
I'll go to the store. I'mable to get centrius in the winter
and tomatoes and that, and tomatoesare a spring, summer maybe fall food
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early fall day and they die off. So it's just like the whole point
is that it's healthier for you toeat seasonally and it's more sustainable. But
also when you start looking into someof the things that these places that grow
these food have to go through inorder to get food to us year round.
Right, apparently there's a whole assavocado wars happening in Mexico. Oh,
yes, did you watch that documentarytoo, And there's I never knew.
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Yes, there's all kinds of stuffhappening with rapes in France, Like
all these things to get food tous year round causing certain collapses in like
infrastructure is causing getting wars, peoplebeing kidnapped over avocados. And so we're
thinking like I'm eating vegan or I'meating only fruits vegetables, but no,
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we have to look at dying clodsthat you're eating. We're not saying,
don't you avocados. What we're saying, is I understand what's happening in the
food industry, the system of oppression, all of them. They bank on
us being ignorant of what's happening.They don't want us to research, they
don't want us to know information.They want us to be ignorant because they
we could just consume. But ifwe're honestly decolonizing our minds, that includes
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getting information, and information really doesmake you change the way you look at
everything you can to. People wantto do this research and sometimes the research
and be like I wish I didn'tknow this. Yeah, because you have
to make a choice. Am Igoing to continue to invest in this system?
Or am I going to figure outa different way? And there are
different ways. And the fucked uppart, though, is that the different
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ways are yet to be affordable foreverybody. And that's so true. One
of those ways is gardening, becauseif you see these things happening, it's
like, well, how do Inot contribute to this? Still be able
to have access to these things?I have fruit trees. I did have
two avocado trees at one point andI left them outside and the frost got
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them and he died. So Ihave to purchase more avocado trees. But
because I have the greenhouse in anenvironment to grow those avocado trees, to
me, I feel like that helpsbecause I am not contributing to what's happening
with these avocado wars. How manymore people are doing that and how many
more people can do that, Ireally making a big difference. And that
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is where the education comes in.And that is where we have to educate
people to see the bigger picture andwhy it is so important to be self
sustainable. And it's almost scary becausesometimes I feel like people need to do
it quietly because the more self sustainablewe are, I could see it.
Now, they're eventually going to makeit illegal to grow your own food.
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I can just see it. Hopefullythat never happens, but they don't want
us to draw own food. Theydon't want us to do that, and
they press us us. Here iscapitalism, but we're talking about if you
start looking into like food brands.I think there's like five, five or
six top food brands and then controla lot everything. They're just different.
Their brands is a top food brand, and then they have all these branches
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of food brands that are meet them. But then they also start to control
things like seeds, water. Allthese things start to happen underneath these larger
those like the bigs food and thensome of those people who own those large
food brands also own broadcast companies.They also are people who are sitting on
boards in the government. So it'slike we have to understand like that when
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we say they were talking about thesystem of capitalism, and we're talking about
the fact that capitalists would do anythingto continue to hoard power and money.
So what do we as the peoplewho are trying to resist against that force.
What can we do? And oneof those things is grow food.
If you can't grow food seeking outa community garden, farmers markets, some
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farmers a lot of farmers markets nowexcept ABT, you can get a lot
more best foods a vegetable with farmer'smarket. If you have an EBT through
a farmer's market, then you can'tin the grocery store. And if you
have ABT, you can buy fruit, trees and plants. And see,
it's just about like looking and it'ssomething that you really want to do.
It may be hard for certain people, but you can figure it out.
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Whether you are like Princess said,go on to someone. It's like,
I want to grow my food.I don't have space. I see that
you have space like some kind ofbartering system, right, bartering. Okay,
so there's a whole cycle here whenwe discussed like, so it's like
farm to table if that's like themost sustainable way to live. But then
there's also like these box foods andthey're just like, oh, we help
you not have to worry about eating. Well, there's there's plastics or distribution
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centers, there's the trucks to getto you, there's there's different steps for
the food to get to you.It's what we need to consider as well.
All these different steps contribute to waste. Really, so as we think
about resistance, we got to startthinking about how many steps does it take
for this thing to get to me. Now, some of us really don't
have the capacity to even think aboutthis ship We are bogged down with life,
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right, So the best thing youcan do if you're in that place
you're just like, I don't evenfalk about how this got to be.
What I do care about is what'sin it, and if the taples,
if they're eyes. All these thingsI care about that. So the one
thing that I could do is togrow these herds, figure out how can
start or join a community garden ora see a safe program, Like do
you what you need to do foryour family with the capacity that you have
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to figure out how to ease intoa more sustainable life because you can't do
it at the time, and we'renot asking you to What we're just asking
you to do is to be moreconsititet of all these things, right.
I think the fact that food isso easily accessible, as far as oh,
I could just go to the storeand grab this, I always kept
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in the back of my mind,what if that wasn't possible. What if
they decided, you know what,this neighborhood right here, we are just
not going to supply their stores withfood anymore. What would you do?
It's happening. It's happening now,and it's not that's that thing, but
during the pandemic, it's happening rightnow. A lot of it's happening,
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right, It's happening. And I'msaying that because when I first started gardening,
I'm originally from New York, soeverybody that I knew was like,
you're growing food oh you country nowand blah blah blah because I moved to
the South, and I'm like,has nothing to do with being country.
And I'm like, people are sofar removed from knowing anything about growing your
own food, and not necessarily keykey laughing at me, but kind of
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just like, oh, sh ain'tyou know that? Ain't gonna you know
that. Even back then, Iwas like, well, what would you
do if you couldn't go to thestore and grab food off the shelf?
What would you do? And I'mnot waiting for that moment? And here
we are, because this is backin twenty fourteen when I first started,
and I was saying this stuff.Here we are and now every those same
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people are like, well, Iknow where I'm going if my store is
going out of food, and letgo the hell you're not, No,
you're not. You're not gonna comehere and eat my fucking food, the
food that she was laughing at megrowing. And I told y'all, what
would you do? Oh, nowyou're telling me what you would do?
You not come to my house.But what you can do is join some
of these gardening groups that Princess islike and learn how to do it.
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Because exactly we should not be now. Don't get me wrong. When you
start to grow food and you're doingit, your plants are healthy, you
had you get an abundance. Don'tplant a zucchini plant. Don't do that
because you will have zucchini and you'dbe like, all you need is that
one plant, because they produce alot. And I tend to plant about
three or four of those things.And yeah, so I like to freeze
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and do different things. I usuallygrow more than I probably should. But
it's so worth it. It's soworth it. A packet of seeds is
between a dollar or two or three, and you get so many seeds,
and that one seed will produce oneplant that's gonna give you multiple pruit and
more seeds. Exactly here, diligentabout collecting seeds. My main goal in
all of this, My end goalis to teach you how to garden and
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feed herself. So no matter what, we don't know what the future holds
for this country, and no matterwhat, she will have that knowledge,
she will always need to feed herself. She will I feel like a lot
of us Black people are reclaiming gardening, reclaiming stuff that was deemed below us
like from enslavement. Like, okay, I'm not enslaved. I don't want
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to grow all food. I wantto go to the grocery store and get
my food. Right, there's somuch but come on, now, there's
freedom in this though, because backin the day, they didn't do all
that to food. It was organic. They were just literally farming and then
putting it in grocery stores. Butit is complete different story nowadays. All
this it's so funny because I'm inthese gardens and they want so badly to
not have one pest, like allthese pests, pest, pest pests,
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no, would kill everything. Andmy thing is, if your garden does
not have pests, something is wrong. They should be trying to eat your
food and all the time, becausethat means that it is you're growing it
in a way that is like inline with nature. I'm not saying,
let the pests get to your shipbecause lemishes on your food in grocery store,
that's not natural. Folks. Wegotta like start thinking about things in
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a more natural way. I wanther to experience planning a seed, watching
that seed lank sprout, watching thatplant grow, carvesting from that plant,
and having that pride like I grewthis from this one seed. I grew
all these different pieces of food,and then I can collect seeds from that
piece of food and dude all overagain. Like it's such a beautiful cycle.
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It's so empowering, and I'm soexcited to see so many people trying
to do this right now or andare doing it right now. Black people
who are just are like, no, this is how we get free,
like mercy, from having to beat the mercy of a system that's actively
always trying to kill us. Whatblack people have to understand also is that
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we didn't start growing food during slavery. We've been doing this. The things
that we grow right now, Ikid you not, almost everything that we
eat originally came from the Motherland.And that's just what it is, Okay,
it is what it is. Sowe have to remember that those things
came with us, you know whatI mean. And the practices came with
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us. We taught exactly when wetaught. So it's funny because I was
going through a gardening book and theywanted to talk about like the Thomas Jefferson's
garden. Who do you think wastending that garden? Who youding that garden?
What are you talking about? Thatwas the enslaved people's garden that you
stole their labor from. So wewas out here doing this and the beautiful
part of what I'm trying to getinto this year, and one thing that
I'm going to be getting this fromPrincess is her herbalism course, because food
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is healing in so many different ways. I want to learn herbalism so I'm
not dependent on a pharmacy. Iwant my pharmacy to look as natural as
possible, to be able to healus from the food that we're growing organically.
When it comes to like herbalism,that's to me, is a whole
other level to like liberation. Absolutely, and that's another thing that we did
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and brought here with us, isherbalism. I'm constantly seeking knowledge, so
I literally like research things like almostdaily, so and I learned new things
every day. But I recently foundout a lot of different things that we
as enslaved people, are not inbooks, that we're not passed down directly
from generation to generation, but theseare things that we did. I think
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it's hard for people to understand thata lot of the things that you deem
is white people stuff was ours first? And indigenous people of Native Americans absolutely
right, indigenous right, Well,yeah, that's what I mean though,
But just you know, hours ingeneral, everything, everything, even the
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simplest things is baby wearing and breastfeedingand all exactly all that stuff that you
see people saying, oh, well, that's white people stuff. I'm like,
what are you talking about. Iknow it's not. We did this.
This is ours. And because yousee so many white people gatekeeping the
shit, you think it belongs tothem, it does not, and we
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have to take it back. Weare reclaiming, we are taking up space
in these industries, and I'm soexcited for it, Like it really is
on top of this idea of livingcollectively, living in a village, like
really putting that out there that wecan do that. That's my goal for
the next two years. But alsoin the meantime, learning how to be
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more connected to nature, how togrow my own food, how to use
the food that I grow to treatmyself when I'm not feeling well or my
daughter's been feeling well. And itjust makes me feel so much more connected
because one of the big things thatI've been feeling since having Jia is just
this call to know more about theAfrican side of myself and you and I
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discussed this before a little bit,like finding out that I was like fifty
four percent Nigerian was so amazing.I'm so proud of that. But now
I'm just like, Okay, well, Nigeria is a colonized term. I
want to know that tribe so Ican understand and like what language Facebook,
and I want to know like thosecultural traditions and even open to learning about
the other sides of me, becausethose sides of being the twenty six percent
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European that this is me off,I mean, it's me. Well,
I can't learn about it just becauseI don't. So I'm gonna learn about
that. I'm gonna learn about themeso American, I have all these I'm
like a freaking rainbow coalition, rightthe girl me too. It's so crazy.
Obviously, you know you're black,you know you're black, but then
it's like, to what extent,Like what black am? I? Where
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did my people come from? Thead a black person does not know that.
It literally had to take me totake the ancestry DNA tests to find
out that I was Nigerian and everythingelse. There were no African traditions in
my family. We were just black. And to be honest, I know
more about being Japanese than being Blackbecause my grandmother is Japanese. That's what
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I grew up knowing. I didn'tgrow up knowing anything about being Nigerian or
anything like that. So it kindof hurt a little bit because it was
like, damn, I had todo this to find out. It made
me realize how lost we are,and it made me realize why Africans call
us the last sons and daughters.We are truly lost, and I was
like it hurts, It definitely hurts, but also knowing that it helped ridge
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that gap because when you feel usabsolute African American, as a black person
and black African American in this country, we are sort of like, we
don't know anything about our African side, So how do we connect except for
being the black except for the melanineand knowing that we are descendants of Africans
and then America don't want us,so we just are in the same bow,
right. So when I did thattest and I got that results back,
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I was just like wow, likeI know and now I can look
and I can figure out how doI cook certain things, like I want
to throw the foods everything because Iwant to know everything, and I want
to go and visit one day.I'm gonna do twenty three and me and
ancestry because I want to see ifI can connect with people in Africa.
Possibly, right. But all thisto say, I'm just feeling this pool
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back home and connecting with ancestral practices, connecting with ancestors, wanting to just
feel like I belong somewhere. Idon't want you to feel lots either,
But I don't swap her cheek withouther permission. I'm wait till she gets
older to ask if she wants toknow, because it's so it's so important
for us to like and I know, I get why folks are just like,
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I'm not doing that, and that'smore power to you. I felt
like this was more important than theother stuff around, like DNA, Like
what they're doing this research have ourDNA from the time from the day we
were born. Yeah, it doesn'teven matter at this point. They already
had it. And it's actually Ispoke to a black duniality. She was
like all the stuff that's in themedia is so wrong. They're not able
to do certain things with your DNAwithout your concert. This pool, though,
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was so strong in me. Iwas like, I have to do
this and so again finding out thatinformation and now I'm just like, okay,
what was it would be grown inthat region? And can I grow
it in my region? You know, I'm the South. I grow things
like oprah and cow peas and brightpotatoes. We can't grow yams here.
I don't think when you're your potatoes, yeah, sweet potatoes definitely. It's
crazy because that's how sweet potatoes werecalled yams because they looked like yam.
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So when people say, oh,I'm making candy yams, no you're not
sweet potatoes. Yeah, yams aregrown in Africa, you know exactly.
We can't grow yams out here.Well certain climates, people can't desert climate.
But either way, I'm growing tosue potatoes as in ancestral things.
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I want like my garden to representthese things from my home. And I
didn't know at the time. Itwas a few years ago. I saw
this egg plant, I saw seedsfor this egg plant. I was like,
Oh, that looks kind of cool. Let me go ahead and buy
something, and for some reason,like the seeds wouldn't germanate and they probably
just bad seeds. And I kepttrying again, thinking it was me,
and I was like, no,probably this company just just selling bad seeds
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for this variety. And it wasn'tuntil maybe about a year or so ago
that I learned that particular eggplant camefrom Africa. And I was like,
scratch my head because every time Isee this variety on a website, it
says Turkish eggplant and it's a small, round orange eggplant and it says Turkish
eggplant. I says, oh,hell no, they're trying to change the
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name on something. Again. Isaid, so, if I ever get
the opportunity to grow this eggplant andsave the seeds to sell on my seed
site, I am going to nameit what it is, yes, because
I can't stand it. And it'sthe same thing with the fish pepper.
White people are trying to call itthe candy cane pepper and I'm like,
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no, stop, it is calledfish pepper for a reason. Stop trying
to change our stuff. I willmake sure I do everything I can to
make sure that that candy cane bullshitdon't stick well. Being from the South.
I feel like there's a lot ofdisconnects Southern food. People really be
like, oh, Southern food whenactually it's like it's a it's African food.
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And I follow a few people onYouTube and it's one of the girls
as a white girl, and she'slike, oh, I love Oker and
Oaker is so Southern. I'm justlike, Okay, it's African. So
of course I went to her andYouTube and yes, now that it's here,
it's a Southern food, but nothy roots man, like, no
where exactly came from? So youcan pay homage to that that Paul robeson
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tomato? Do you even know whathe stood for? Right? Did you
even know who he is? Youknow who he is? Right? And
if you did, would you stillgrow it? You know what I'm saying,
Like you love the taste, butdo you love the man that is
named after? Right? I'm evengoing to all that. So all I'm
saying is like, it's so thatwhen you start doing your research around like
seeds, and I refused to buyfrom certain seed companies Bankers Creecket, I
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refused to buy from them. Ohgirl, I learned about some stuff that
they did a couple of years ago. I was like, oh no,
it's always felt a little funny buyingthings from them anyway, because I'm like,
whereogy, that's why it feels verycold. Yeah, so they did.
I was like, oh, yeah, I think it's a Clive Bundy
thing. I just really want tosupport native seed keepers, black seed companies,
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sea companies like Sea Savers, whoare very diligent about giving back to
the native communities and about saving seedsin a way that's not colonizing after they
get them. I'm very diligent nowabout where I get seeds from, and
I really hope y'all are too.Baker's Creek comes out with a beautiful sea
cantalog every single year. It looksreally nicely nice. It's so operational,
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and you want to grow all everythingin it. But no, I'm gonna
go and get seed catalogs for otherplaces. And as a matter of fact,
I'll make sure Princess has she sellsseeds, and she has an herbalism
course and other courses that you didn'ttake her and I are actually partnering up
this year to offer some gardening coursesover the course of the growing season.
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Around like seeds starting around, likewhen the harvest and all that stuff.
But she also has a blog tohelp into the direction of black owned seed
companies because there's not a lot ofus. There's just not a lot of
us. There's not a lot ofus, but there are more of us
than we think. Then we think. That's what I'm surprised about when I
read your block, So I'll makesure link that in the show notes.
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So y'all can support these places becausewe need to start reclaiming that energy too.
And Native I think I also havepurchased recently from Native Alliance of seed
Keepers. Anyway, try to findsome seed companies that are black and Indigenous
to support, and be diligent aboutwho you're giving your money to throughout the
charting season, actually all the time, be diligent about like who has been
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money with, and look to theirpolitics. It matters. You're funding someone
who does not care about your life, you're funding right. I refuse to
fund those types of people. Ireally want to make sure that my business,
my money is going to especially blackwomen, but black and Indigenous people.
Hopefully, as this catches on,there's more of us that can do
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things like seed trays and farming equipment. We're closing that loop again and circulating
the dollar again and not outside allthe time. So when I said I
wanted to ask you as far aslike gardening as a doctor existence, what
do you feel around that? It'sa lot. And I can see how
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people can be intimidated by it becauseit's not something you know, just I'm
just complaining to see leaving and itgrows, and it's not as simple as
that. And I can definitely understandhow somebody can see people gardening and then
be like, I don't know ifI could do that, but you would
do it if your life depended onit, and I do it as if
my life depends on it, becauseat this point we're already in the middle
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of our lives depending on it.Are we really going to wait until we
reach the moment where we literally arelike, oh shit, what the fuck
do I do now? I'm notwaiting on that moment. We are already
in the middle of it, soit's happening. I think it's really important
to just dive in and learn everythingyou can because your survival it depends on
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it. It really does. AndI don't think people are really getting that.
Seeing pictures of these empty shells onsocial media should really make you sit
back and say, what the fuck, because why is it happen. It
doesn't have to happen, but it'shappening, so you people really need to
take it seriously because it's life ordeath out here. I think about the
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supply chain and how it is dependenton slave labor, basically slave wages,
slave capitalism. Even still even thoughtoday, because we're talking about people in
factories to get paid very very little, very little. I think it was
Kelloggs. Those people just won amajor victory by boycotting. They're like,
we need better pay, we needbetter benefits, like y'all Kelloggs pay us,
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and they were they didn't want tobecause of our protests. People were
like, I'm not buying Tailoggs anymore, and their protests right, they one
their new contract. But there's somany of these industries that depend on low
wage labor and it's dangerous works,like working in these chicken factories and these
hag factories. It is very dangerouswork. And sometimes they will send that
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overseas because it is dangerous and peoplework for even less and they don't have
any benefits. I don't want tobe a part of that anymore, of
the exploitation of people. I'm stillgonna meet things like Flower, still gonna
have to depend on a store andsome capacity. But I'm gonna figure out
who can I barter with, whocan I partner with to be able to
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get this organically sustainably where people aren'tbeing harmed, because the food industry is
so harmful to us and to thepeople who are tasked with working within it.
As we think about looking at theseempty shelves, and you got to
think about the pandemic has impacted theirability to go to work. These people
are dying, some of them,right, you know, and they were
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forced to actually go and stay andwork in the very beginning of the pandemic.
So what we're seeing is the effectof capitalism not caring about people.
If nothing wakes you up more thanseeing how many foods and ingredients that are
banned in other countries but legal here. I don't think people know that.
I remember going to Germany and eatingsome of the best yogurt I've ever had
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in my life, right because theUK does not allow GMO food, which
is crazy to me, because theythe ones who got this ship like this
in the first place, taking usfrom our whole land and bringing us here
and feeding us poison. But thenover there they're cool and they find they
got all the natural ingredients and noprocess nothing, and the legal over there.
But it's not over here. Andthese are the same companies. You
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know, what I learned recently isthe food that the spray, the pest
sides that they spray on fruits andvegetables, that came from World War two
from the same people who made thegas champers. It's the same gas and
they just tweaked it for pests forfood. So the US after World War
two recruited the German people who createdthe gas chambers and said, hey,
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we need this recipe. We needto figure out like how to get this
food together like so it could stoprotting and be shelf stable. So they
dropped them over here and using thatsame recipe from the gas chambers, they
made a new recipe to spray onfood, and heavily in the forties fifties
advertised it to food companies. Andthat's what people are eating. We are
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eating the same like the pesticides,and it's not just like on fruits.
You gotta understand the stuff that's inthe box. Everything, the stuff that's
in the box. Stuff it comesfrom fruits and vegetables that's been sprayed and
wheat and you know, grains that'sbeen sprayed with this stuff, right,
doesn't give us nobody. Nothing escapesthat. It's the same formula just twisted
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crazy that killed six million people.It's like, you gotta understand the history.
And once you know that history,like once I realized, I was
like sickened. I was like thisis yeah, it broke my heart.
And then you wonder why people arejust getting cancer out of nowhere and all
these other kind of diseases and youcan't even really pinpoint where it came from
because this poison isn't everything you eatand everything you touch. So what that
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said, The whole point of thisepisode was to hopefully empower you to grow
your own food in some capacity,to really think about gardening, about herbalism,
about reclaiming incestral practices as an activeresistance against capitalism, a system that's
designed to do humanize and kill people. We really hope that you're able to
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understand like the importance of this whatadvice can you give like the beginning gardener,
like where can it go? Tofigure out? How do I get
started with this? The very firstthing you want to do is make sure
you learn what your grow zone is, and what your frost dates are and
what you can grow in what season, because once you understand that, it
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will really help you to be successfulwith gardening because you can't just grow anything
at any time, so it's reallyimportant to learn what you can grow and
when you can grow it. Andblack girls were gardenings. Come on over,
black girls were gardens on Facebook group, So get in there and everybody
who helps. And all you gottado is Google. Yeah, you can
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say. If you're tring to figureout your grow zone, all you have
to do is google your zip codegrow zone zip code, and then you'll
see it'll tell you what zone you'rein. Some websites will actually give you
a list with dates to tell youwhen you can start these things. It'll
give you your frost date as wellas how many frost free dates you have
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in between the first and last frostdates. All these websites will give you
all that stuff. Actually have ablog post called novas Gardening or something like
that. I can't think of offthe top of my head with all of
the things that you can do toget started to garden. Okay, So
speaking of where can people find,you start out finding me on www dot
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Princesscole dot com and all of myinformation is on their cars, even my
other websites and social media and anywhereelse that you can find. And again,
she is one of the moderators andthe Facebook group Black Girls with Edible
Gardens, And I'm in a fewa few gardening groups. One of them
is Black Girls with contain Our Gardens. One of them is Black Urban Gardens
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and Black Farmers. And if you'renot black and you're listening to this,
there are a plethora of groups foreall. So just you know, on
Facebook, go on Facebook because youwill get so much information in those rites.
They really helped me get started,Like I was very thankful for the
online communities that helped me to learnhow to start growing food. But don't
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skip on listen, don't stip onYouTube because you couldn't your life. You're
all gardening life. Okayes are YouTube, go down the YouTube gardening rabbit hole
and it is just like wow,oh, I'm not going to build a
greenhouse now, okay from cattle panright, you ever had done it to
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know that you know how to doit because you don't watch so many videos.
Listen, I made more compos soit's like it it makes you feel
like you can build a house.If you could build a greenhouse, I
can't do it. It does empoweryou, so like going down that YouTube
rabbit hole and don't be afraid tolike reach out for help. So again,
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we're gonna be having some workshops withme, very low cost workshops to
help gardeners who want to get startedgrow foods. Will include that schedule into
the show notes, and we're goingto be doing like a couple free ones
to just get y'all started because thisis so important. We want as many
people as possible to start growing theirfood. That's like part of my nation
outside of like to me, thisis part of conscious parenting because we got
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to teach our children this information wasnot passed down by our parents, and
for some people, their parents parentswho had a garden, but they so
wanted to focus on college degrees andbig houses and and that's no shade to
education, but this is education thatwill save our lives and so my goal
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is to not have any more generationsof lost information of stuff like the rest
feeding, baby wearing, gardening.This is part of us and we need
to read right, what if thepaunt as a parenting mean to you?
For me is just making sure thatmy kids have the tools and the education
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to be able to navigate life asblack people. The things that I didn't
grow up learning that I wish Iknew when I was younger because it would
have helped me make better decisions.And my daughter is almost seventeen, so
I do not want her to gothrough the things that I went through because,
like I said, had I knowna lot of the things that I
learned on my own as an adult, I truly wish that that knowledge was
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passed down to me because my lifewould be so much different if you'd told
me at seventeen that I was goingto be gardening in the herbalistic that you
had two heads, because I didn'tcare about that stuff. Showing her and
of course the babies as well.Like you know, this is a part
of life. I feel like thisis a part of life that everybody needs.
Well, thank you so much,Princess, Thank you so much for
(41:12):
joining me and thank you for havinginspiration. Like I said, I've been
like facebook stalking to you for aminute now, and I was just like,
how could we be friends? Ilook at black women, I'm just
like I want to be their friends, so man, but I don't want
to be like the person in theircomments or their dams, like can we
please? Can I have friends?Listen? I don't see anything wrong with
that. I say, shoot yourfriend shot shot. You never know.
(41:35):
Somebody did that to me a coupleof years ago. You had been talking
on Instagram back and forth for awhile, and then one day she was
like, you want to be mybest friend? I was like, girl,
yes, I love it. Yeah, suck it, like we just
connected. Sometimes you just gotta gofor it, just like how you do
with people you think you want tobe in a romantic relationship. There's nothing
wrong with seeing somebody you want tobe friends with and being like, but
(41:57):
you want to be my friend?Well, thank you and thank you for
accepting my friend request. And again, look out for workshops that we're going
to be posting about. Y'all canjoin us, and again they will be
equitably priced. But also keep itin mind that as much as we want
to be able to give away stuff. We have families to feed, bills
to pay, and unfortunately we justdon't have the financial capacity to give all
(42:22):
of our stuff away for free.But there will be a couple free workshops
for those who need them. Allright, y'all, well, thank you
for joining me for this amazing podcast. Please make sure to leave a ready
a review and let me know whatyou think in the comment section on social
media. And until then, tillnext time, keep it conscious.
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