September 16, 2025 • 21 mins
Each Tuesday, we discuss an older entertainment property, and currently, that's Lost. This episode continues to ask the same questions that have been brought up frequently already: Is Juliet "one of us," the castaways? Is she a victim or a victimizer? Might she be both?!
Next Tuesday, we'll continue with season 3, episode 17, "Catch-22." Tomorrow, we'll continue with our discussion of a newer show, Only Murders in the Building, season 5, episode 4, "Dirty Birds."
Next Tuesday, we'll continue with season 3, episode 17, "Catch-22." Tomorrow, we'll continue with our discussion of a newer show, Only Murders in the Building, season 5, episode 4, "Dirty Birds."
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and
I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't
help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as
our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested
in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm
going over the same parenting topics over and over.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,
we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we
thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,
if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,
and let's all make like we're doing something important for
our families.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Each Tuesday we bring you a watch or rewatch of
an older entertainment property, And for this week of September fifteenth,
we're continuing with Lost, Season three, episode sixteen.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
One of us is she Now?
Speaker 1 (00:55):
She does not appear to be, so stop. Start right
off the bat with a parenting tip here. If you
can manage to create a problem and then solve it,
you can you can get in with people pretty good.
(01:18):
Quietly manufacture a problem that then you manage to make
go away, and then people will think Oh, she really is.
He really is good.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
She's a hero. That's I mean, I.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Think parents, that's that's a fairly dependable tool in the
parenting toolbox, is it not.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I mean, I don't want to accuse all parents of
that type of manipulation, but.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Yeah, if you haven't tried it, try it today.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
I mean, sometimes it might happen by accident.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
That's true. That's true, just conveniently, but you know, yeah,
let she who's never done that first. But so we
go through this episode kind of going back and forth
between Juliette sort of being being essentially kidnapped and brought
(02:22):
to the island and not allowed to return because darn it,
all the pregnant women keep dying and she is supposed
to fix that but she is unable to. But they
will still not let her go home. And they say,
first they say their sister is dying. Then they say
they'll save her sister. And you know, it's not like
(02:43):
she can hop on Facebook and chat with her sister.
She's like completely cut off. So she has to believe them,
and I mean with Ben, who knows, and he seems
to prove that she's okay. Wasn't it as easy to
make a deep fake then as it is now, I guess,
but I still would not necessarily believe that that was
(03:05):
my sister pushing her own kid on a swing, right whatever.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
She's sort of in a position where.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
You know, if you don't trust, you're gonna go crazy,
so you might as well exactly. Yeah, So you know,
it kind of goes back and forth between her being
a victim and her seeming to go along with things,
so it's kind of unclear. And then in the present
day or in the in the uh, well, what do
we call the the non flashback plot? Yea, with our castaways,
(03:35):
she is distrusted by everybody and except for Jack.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Except for Jack.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Jack is putting down all his personal on the Juliet
square of the game board. And why why is he
so determined to make her accepted?
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Unclear?
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Yeah, but everybody else is like yeah, uh huh. But
then Clara is sick. Julia has a plan, Juliet enacts
that plan, and Clara is just as bright eyed and
bushy tailed as she has ever been. So everybody's like, well,
then I guess she's good. I guess she's okay, I
(04:19):
guess she's fine. She injected that thing that's been theoretically
sitting in the jungle in the jungle for how long? Yeah,
I'm sure it's still good. But anyway, so everybody trusts her.
But then we see a much more recent flashback in
which she and Ben are like, okay, so you'll go
(04:40):
infiltrate their group. We're gonna plant this crisis that you
can solve a Okay, So.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Going back to starting with I'm gonna be handcuffed Kate, Yes, exactly, Yeah,
the whole it started.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
So what is her deal? Exactly? Yeah, I don't understand,
because she is in some ways of victim, right, but
she is also in some ways of victimizers, So I
guess that's complicated. It's complicated, right, what is her deal?
(05:17):
She gave a couple of very ben like smiles there.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
She sure did.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
It's like, I want to believe you, honey, but you
are looking very squirreling.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah, And at the very very end of the episode,
she's like putting her shelter together. They're like, here, you
can have this tarp and rope, and you know, we
know you're accustomed to living in like a normal looking house,
but here, enjoy our beachfront amenities. And yes, she gets
(05:50):
this look on her face when she's like looking, I
don't know where she's looking at. She's looking out to
see if she's looking at the other people, and it's
it's inscrutable. We don't know what is happening.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Diabolical in some way. Yes, yikes. My husband raised a
good point and I didn't have an answer for it.
If the others have taken off to parts unknown, why
don't they all go and live in those houses?
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Yeah? Great idea, I love that. Is it that hard
to get back there? Right?
Speaker 1 (06:26):
You know there's some real estate that suddenly become available. Yeah,
others will come back and we'll be in their houses.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Like, you know, possession nine tenths.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Of the law absolutely here. I mean, maybe they think
water's rights man.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Maybe they think they've you know, salted the earth in
some way that made it like dangerous? Still live there?
I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
And so wouldn't you want to just go check it out?
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Yeah? Well, and because only you know, there's only Jack,
Kate and Sayid who have seen it, right, right, Yeah,
so maybe each of them has their own blind spots
when it comes to the suitability of this.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
It just you know. I bet there are flush toilets
there and everything.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Yeah, like there's also a flush toilet.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
We know where there is, that's right, yes, Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Oh but are those houses inside that fence? Oh that's true.
I don't know if the fence is turned on or
off or.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
What, so they'd have to juliet would have to help
them get there.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
And yeah, you know.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Another parenting tip that I've certainly found in terms of
negotiating difficult situations in schools and other things is be
well informed about the people you are dealing with, the
way that Juliette was able to shut down Sawyer and
said resoundingly just by knowing things. Yeah, I mean, even
(08:09):
though we don't trust her and she's probably a bad guy.
That was kind of delight. Oh oh, you gentlemender the
morality police. Really let's review your files, shall we?
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (08:26):
So very helpful to have a complete dossier.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Yes, exactly, and know when to bring that.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Out, Yes, yes, absolutely, you know know who you're dealing
with and be able to prove it right.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Yeah, so you know you know that that neighbor lady
who's hassling your kid. Assemble your paperwork and then go
and be able to point out all the times that
her kid did things.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
There we go. Then people will send you to little
off in a different.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Oh well, but still you'll have that moment of satisfaction,
which is delicious. Yes, definitely, sometimes sometimes that's enough.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
It certainly worked for Julia in this situation. Those two
were like, uh okay, back and off. Yep. They weren't
expecting that.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
No, presumably they have files on everybody, so not be
as easy to get rid of us, they think, right,
I can shame every last one of you in front
of your friends.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
I've watched all the flashbacks. Yep. I've seen all the
close circuit TV footage. I have the dassiers I was
getting on in the barricade. Oh no, So what else
(10:10):
happened in this episode? Not not, It was all the
flashbacks and then the current like how.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
She's I mean, her backstory is heartbreaking, having to leave
her sister, and then you know, as they're saying, oh yeah,
sure you'll be back in three months, you know.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
That's nothing happened, right, and it's just like.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Awful yeah people, Yeah, and Ethan never not creepy every
time we see you.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Yeah, just like it's a little shudder exactly every time.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Like, oh, no, Juliet had a certain facial expression when
they mentioned yeah, Ethan's buried over there. I think it
was a smile.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Right, like, okay, cool, and I mean Early was doing
his best to be menacing, which he didn't do too
terribly bad. But yeah, when no, when it's Ethan, uh yeah,
that's probably not going to have the same effect. Man.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
I just really want to know what direction they gave
to that actor, because it was like, he's just so creeped.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Yah.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Every time he pops up, just the smile he has
on his face makes you want to go and just
like are you going with that guy?
Speaker 2 (11:22):
And just like you said, the way that he just
like materializes like.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
What excellent excellent work.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Yes, good job Tom Cruise's cousin. Yes.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
And speaking of speaking of of minute facial expression work,
which Elizabeth Mitchell did a lot of very well, but
the moment when Sawyer sees Kate coming back, Oh, Josh
Holloway does just the slightest look of relief. Yes, Like
it's not even a sigh of relief, it's a brief
(11:58):
facial relaxation of relief.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Right, so good, Yes, And then they hug.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
And there should be like a like an Emmy for
minute facial expression acting because it's so powerful when it
when it's done well, yes, and yet it's not going
to make a reel of anything, so we recognize it here. Yeah,
I'm the parenting roundabout that's rights. As parents, we often
(12:24):
have to execute minute facial expression uh work because you
don't want to let anybody know have the satisfaction of
knowing they hurt you or that you they fill exactly
into your trap.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
You don't want people to know that.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
You just want to just give yourself the slightest of
and then move on with your day.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Right, So I just the whole the way that Jack
has been so taken in by this person, Like, yes,
she's pretty, she's smart, she knows how to say the
right thing, but like man kind.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Of a doctor.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Yeah, what is the deal there?
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Is it just to set up a you know, to
triangulate the Jack Kate of Juliette triangle more?
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Or is it just.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Because they needed a reason for everybody to accept herself?
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Right? Yeah? What is his thing? What is his thing? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (13:31):
She was going to be his submarine buddy.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Also, this is going back now a couple a couple
of weeks. But Kate was like blaming herself for the
you know, Jack not being able to leave, right, and
she kept saying it was her fault. I'm like, it
wasn't your fault that Locke blew up the sub right,
(14:00):
Like what.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
I mean?
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Was there her whole thing? Like because she came back together, Well, I.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Think that she didn't she in Locke and say you'd
come back together, right, So maybe she thinks that if
she had not wanted to come back for him, Locke
would not have been there.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
To do that.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
I guess when you want to feel guilty about something,
you know, you'll figure out they don't have to make sense.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Yeah, and no one's maybe caring to disabuse her of this.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
And it's also you know when you're in a when
you're in a love triangle, and it's like look, nay
over here, over here, pay attention to me, pay attention
to me. I'm so sorry for the thing I did.
Please come over and pay attention to me. So, you know,
she asks to think of something, Yeah, she don't have
a lot to work with.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Yeah, you're right, So maybe if she feels like if
she's you know, racked, with guilt.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
He'll he'll like her, I don't like her better? Oh
my gosh, this is so.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
W B.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
But and then meanwhile, there's all this stuff about how
the island you know, kills pregnant women, except somehow for Claire,
which they're saying that they manipulated things so that she
wouldn't die, But like have they haven't mentioned Son?
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Well, but I think we were meant to see Sun
kind of perking up her ears when they were talking
about all.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Pregnant women do. Yeah, I guess so she definitely heard that.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
And will I believe when we assume it all we're
talking about next week's episode.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Okay, I think addresses that.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
But yeah, she's not good news for her. No, say
what what what was that?
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Can you kidnap me too? Please? He got any more
of that stuff buried in the jungle.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
I'm sure it's still good. Shoot me up.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Yeah, there's.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
There are a lot of like injectables on this island.
Everywhere you go, there's a closet full of those like
heavy duty looking hypodermic devices.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Yeah, those things are medieval looking. And there's also always
like a convenient jungle stash of this right of anything
you might need.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Unfortunately, vaccines don't need to be treated or you know,
any sort of way they can just you can just
have them in the back of your car for a
few years and it'll.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Still be okay, no problem. Oh man.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Well, uh, maybe all of that leads to another parenting
tip I found in this episode, which is trust no one.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Absolutely, another thing I learned it in my special education.
You can play people and you can use them, but
do not trust me, right right there, and they should
not trust you also. But also I guess the message
of this episode is being a mom is going to
(17:20):
kill you.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Yeah, yeah, unless you know, except for apparently Juliette's sister, unless.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
You have some drugs somewhere. Yeah, oh yeah, Juliette's sister
seems to be.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
But like you said, no no guarantees there. Theoretically, yeah,
you've shown us the newspaper, but Juliette has no idea
of knowing.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
If trust and no one, especially not that dude, yeah,
or anybody having to do with this island whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Don't trust Ben, don't trust Richard, don't trust Ethan when
he was around.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
I mean, I know Juliette's situation back on the mainland,
was somewhat fraught with her husband ex husband being abruptly
bust down and you know her ambitions, as her sister
was saying, but one look at Ethan's face and I
(18:20):
would be like, you know what the deal is?
Speaker 2 (18:22):
All right, I am.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
I ain't going anywhere with that guy. That guy is
legitimately creepy. And also you said about mentioned my husband
being run over by a bus, and then he was
run over by a bus. So thanks a lot, thanks
so much. I'm just gonna, yeah, flee. No, I'll get
(18:45):
in this rickety submarine.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Sure it'll be fine, and I'll drink this. This strength
is dragonizer, tranquilizer.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
That This is not just even a pair arenting tip.
This is just a human being tip. If somebody has
a proposition for you that involves you taking a tranquilizer, run.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Yeah. This is never going to be a good idea.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
I don't care what they tell you.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
It's a bad idea. Get out of there.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm allergic to orange juice.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
I'll just be going now.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Oh, dear well, and all her experiences made her the shifty,
untrustworthy gal she is today. Female Ben.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
That's why Ben likes having her around. Yeah, I guess so,
Drid Spirit.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Yeah, such a lot of creepiness in this amongst this
crew for sure. Oh I was wrong. The next episode, Desmond,
Oh okay, but there is a there is a Sun
episode coming up that will continue from the moment where
(20:11):
Sun heard about pregnant ladies dying and when huh okay, good.
Yeah that was a little placeholder, a little bite.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
But next Tuesday we will continue with season three, episode
seventeen of Lost Catch twenty two, which is a Desmond
flashback episode. Desmond's been pretty quiet lately, just been sitting
around looking haunted, so you know, time for him to
continue his sad, sad story. Okay, and we will see
(20:46):
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Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and
I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't
help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as
our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested
in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm
going over the same parenting topics over and over.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,
we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we
thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,
if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,
and let's all make like we're doing something important for
our families.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Each Tuesday we bring you a watch or rewatch of
an older entertainment property, And for this week of September fifteenth,
we're continuing with Lost, Season three, episode sixteen.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
One of us is she Now?
Speaker 1 (00:55):
She does not appear to be, so stop. Start right
off the bat with a parenting tip here. If you
can manage to create a problem and then solve it,
you can you can get in with people pretty good.
(01:18):
Quietly manufacture a problem that then you manage to make
go away, and then people will think Oh, she really is.
He really is good.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
She's a hero. That's I mean, I.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Think parents, that's that's a fairly dependable tool in the
parenting toolbox, is it not.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I mean, I don't want to accuse all parents of
that type of manipulation, but.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Yeah, if you haven't tried it, try it today.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
I mean, sometimes it might happen by accident.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
That's true. That's true, just conveniently, but you know, yeah,
let she who's never done that first. But so we
go through this episode kind of going back and forth
between Juliette sort of being being essentially kidnapped and brought
(02:22):
to the island and not allowed to return because darn it,
all the pregnant women keep dying and she is supposed
to fix that but she is unable to. But they
will still not let her go home. And they say,
first they say their sister is dying. Then they say
they'll save her sister. And you know, it's not like
(02:43):
she can hop on Facebook and chat with her sister.
She's like completely cut off. So she has to believe them,
and I mean with Ben, who knows, and he seems
to prove that she's okay. Wasn't it as easy to
make a deep fake then as it is now, I guess,
but I still would not necessarily believe that that was
(03:05):
my sister pushing her own kid on a swing, right whatever.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
She's sort of in a position where.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
You know, if you don't trust, you're gonna go crazy,
so you might as well exactly. Yeah, So you know,
it kind of goes back and forth between her being
a victim and her seeming to go along with things,
so it's kind of unclear. And then in the present
day or in the in the uh, well, what do
we call the the non flashback plot? Yea, with our castaways,
(03:35):
she is distrusted by everybody and except for Jack.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Except for Jack.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Jack is putting down all his personal on the Juliet
square of the game board. And why why is he
so determined to make her accepted?
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Unclear?
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Yeah, but everybody else is like yeah, uh huh. But
then Clara is sick. Julia has a plan, Juliet enacts
that plan, and Clara is just as bright eyed and
bushy tailed as she has ever been. So everybody's like, well,
then I guess she's good. I guess she's okay, I
(04:19):
guess she's fine. She injected that thing that's been theoretically
sitting in the jungle in the jungle for how long? Yeah,
I'm sure it's still good. But anyway, so everybody trusts her.
But then we see a much more recent flashback in
which she and Ben are like, okay, so you'll go
(04:40):
infiltrate their group. We're gonna plant this crisis that you
can solve a Okay, So.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Going back to starting with I'm gonna be handcuffed Kate, Yes, exactly, Yeah,
the whole it started.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
So what is her deal? Exactly? Yeah, I don't understand,
because she is in some ways of victim, right, but
she is also in some ways of victimizers, So I
guess that's complicated. It's complicated, right, what is her deal?
(05:17):
She gave a couple of very ben like smiles there.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
She sure did.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
It's like, I want to believe you, honey, but you
are looking very squirreling.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah, And at the very very end of the episode,
she's like putting her shelter together. They're like, here, you
can have this tarp and rope, and you know, we
know you're accustomed to living in like a normal looking house,
but here, enjoy our beachfront amenities. And yes, she gets
(05:50):
this look on her face when she's like looking, I
don't know where she's looking at. She's looking out to
see if she's looking at the other people, and it's
it's inscrutable. We don't know what is happening.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Diabolical in some way. Yes, yikes. My husband raised a
good point and I didn't have an answer for it.
If the others have taken off to parts unknown, why
don't they all go and live in those houses?
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Yeah? Great idea, I love that. Is it that hard
to get back there? Right?
Speaker 1 (06:26):
You know there's some real estate that suddenly become available. Yeah,
others will come back and we'll be in their houses.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Like, you know, possession nine tenths.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Of the law absolutely here. I mean, maybe they think
water's rights man.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Maybe they think they've you know, salted the earth in
some way that made it like dangerous? Still live there?
I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
And so wouldn't you want to just go check it out?
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Yeah? Well, and because only you know, there's only Jack,
Kate and Sayid who have seen it, right, right, Yeah,
so maybe each of them has their own blind spots
when it comes to the suitability of this.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
It just you know. I bet there are flush toilets
there and everything.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Yeah, like there's also a flush toilet.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
We know where there is, that's right, yes, Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Oh but are those houses inside that fence? Oh that's true.
I don't know if the fence is turned on or
off or.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
What, so they'd have to juliet would have to help
them get there.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
And yeah, you know.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Another parenting tip that I've certainly found in terms of
negotiating difficult situations in schools and other things is be
well informed about the people you are dealing with, the
way that Juliette was able to shut down Sawyer and
said resoundingly just by knowing things. Yeah, I mean, even
(08:09):
though we don't trust her and she's probably a bad guy.
That was kind of delight. Oh oh, you gentlemender the
morality police. Really let's review your files, shall we?
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (08:26):
So very helpful to have a complete dossier.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Yes, exactly, and know when to bring that.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Out, Yes, yes, absolutely, you know know who you're dealing
with and be able to prove it right.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Yeah, so you know you know that that neighbor lady
who's hassling your kid. Assemble your paperwork and then go
and be able to point out all the times that
her kid did things.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
There we go. Then people will send you to little
off in a different.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Oh well, but still you'll have that moment of satisfaction,
which is delicious. Yes, definitely, sometimes sometimes that's enough.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
It certainly worked for Julia in this situation. Those two
were like, uh okay, back and off. Yep. They weren't
expecting that.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
No, presumably they have files on everybody, so not be
as easy to get rid of us, they think, right,
I can shame every last one of you in front
of your friends.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
I've watched all the flashbacks. Yep. I've seen all the
close circuit TV footage. I have the dassiers I was
getting on in the barricade. Oh no, So what else
(10:10):
happened in this episode? Not not, It was all the
flashbacks and then the current like how.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
She's I mean, her backstory is heartbreaking, having to leave
her sister, and then you know, as they're saying, oh yeah,
sure you'll be back in three months, you know.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
That's nothing happened, right, and it's just like.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Awful yeah people, Yeah, and Ethan never not creepy every
time we see you.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Yeah, just like it's a little shudder exactly every time.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Like, oh, no, Juliet had a certain facial expression when
they mentioned yeah, Ethan's buried over there. I think it
was a smile.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Right, like, okay, cool, and I mean Early was doing
his best to be menacing, which he didn't do too
terribly bad. But yeah, when no, when it's Ethan, uh yeah,
that's probably not going to have the same effect. Man.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
I just really want to know what direction they gave
to that actor, because it was like, he's just so creeped.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Yah.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Every time he pops up, just the smile he has
on his face makes you want to go and just
like are you going with that guy?
Speaker 2 (11:22):
And just like you said, the way that he just
like materializes like.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
What excellent excellent work.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Yes, good job Tom Cruise's cousin. Yes.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
And speaking of speaking of of minute facial expression work,
which Elizabeth Mitchell did a lot of very well, but
the moment when Sawyer sees Kate coming back, Oh, Josh
Holloway does just the slightest look of relief. Yes, Like
it's not even a sigh of relief, it's a brief
(11:58):
facial relaxation of relief.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Right, so good, Yes, And then they hug.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
And there should be like a like an Emmy for
minute facial expression acting because it's so powerful when it
when it's done well, yes, and yet it's not going
to make a reel of anything, so we recognize it here. Yeah,
I'm the parenting roundabout that's rights. As parents, we often
(12:24):
have to execute minute facial expression uh work because you
don't want to let anybody know have the satisfaction of
knowing they hurt you or that you they fill exactly
into your trap.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
You don't want people to know that.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
You just want to just give yourself the slightest of
and then move on with your day.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Right, So I just the whole the way that Jack
has been so taken in by this person, Like, yes,
she's pretty, she's smart, she knows how to say the
right thing, but like man kind.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Of a doctor.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Yeah, what is the deal there?
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Is it just to set up a you know, to
triangulate the Jack Kate of Juliette triangle more?
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Or is it just.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Because they needed a reason for everybody to accept herself?
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Right? Yeah? What is his thing? What is his thing? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (13:31):
She was going to be his submarine buddy.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Also, this is going back now a couple a couple
of weeks. But Kate was like blaming herself for the
you know, Jack not being able to leave, right, and
she kept saying it was her fault. I'm like, it
wasn't your fault that Locke blew up the sub right,
(14:00):
Like what.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
I mean?
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Was there her whole thing? Like because she came back together, Well, I.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Think that she didn't she in Locke and say you'd
come back together, right, So maybe she thinks that if
she had not wanted to come back for him, Locke
would not have been there.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
To do that.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
I guess when you want to feel guilty about something,
you know, you'll figure out they don't have to make sense.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Yeah, and no one's maybe caring to disabuse her of this.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
And it's also you know when you're in a when
you're in a love triangle, and it's like look, nay
over here, over here, pay attention to me, pay attention
to me. I'm so sorry for the thing I did.
Please come over and pay attention to me. So, you know,
she asks to think of something, Yeah, she don't have
a lot to work with.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Yeah, you're right, So maybe if she feels like if
she's you know, racked, with guilt.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
He'll he'll like her, I don't like her better? Oh
my gosh, this is so.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
W B.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
But and then meanwhile, there's all this stuff about how
the island you know, kills pregnant women, except somehow for Claire,
which they're saying that they manipulated things so that she
wouldn't die, But like have they haven't mentioned Son?
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Well, but I think we were meant to see Sun
kind of perking up her ears when they were talking
about all.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Pregnant women do. Yeah, I guess so she definitely heard that.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
And will I believe when we assume it all we're
talking about next week's episode.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Okay, I think addresses that.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
But yeah, she's not good news for her. No, say
what what what was that?
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Can you kidnap me too? Please? He got any more
of that stuff buried in the jungle.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
I'm sure it's still good. Shoot me up.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Yeah, there's.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
There are a lot of like injectables on this island.
Everywhere you go, there's a closet full of those like
heavy duty looking hypodermic devices.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Yeah, those things are medieval looking. And there's also always
like a convenient jungle stash of this right of anything
you might need.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Unfortunately, vaccines don't need to be treated or you know,
any sort of way they can just you can just
have them in the back of your car for a
few years and it'll.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Still be okay, no problem. Oh man.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Well, uh, maybe all of that leads to another parenting
tip I found in this episode, which is trust no one.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Absolutely, another thing I learned it in my special education.
You can play people and you can use them, but
do not trust me, right right there, and they should
not trust you also. But also I guess the message
of this episode is being a mom is going to
(17:20):
kill you.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Yeah, yeah, unless you know, except for apparently Juliette's sister, unless.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
You have some drugs somewhere. Yeah, oh yeah, Juliette's sister
seems to be.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
But like you said, no no guarantees there. Theoretically, yeah,
you've shown us the newspaper, but Juliette has no idea
of knowing.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
If trust and no one, especially not that dude, yeah,
or anybody having to do with this island whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Don't trust Ben, don't trust Richard, don't trust Ethan when
he was around.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
I mean, I know Juliette's situation back on the mainland,
was somewhat fraught with her husband ex husband being abruptly
bust down and you know her ambitions, as her sister
was saying, but one look at Ethan's face and I
(18:20):
would be like, you know what the deal is?
Speaker 2 (18:22):
All right, I am.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
I ain't going anywhere with that guy. That guy is
legitimately creepy. And also you said about mentioned my husband
being run over by a bus, and then he was
run over by a bus. So thanks a lot, thanks
so much. I'm just gonna, yeah, flee. No, I'll get
(18:45):
in this rickety submarine.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Sure it'll be fine, and I'll drink this. This strength
is dragonizer, tranquilizer.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
That This is not just even a pair arenting tip.
This is just a human being tip. If somebody has
a proposition for you that involves you taking a tranquilizer, run.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Yeah. This is never going to be a good idea.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
I don't care what they tell you.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
It's a bad idea. Get out of there.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm allergic to orange juice.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
I'll just be going now.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Oh, dear well, and all her experiences made her the shifty,
untrustworthy gal she is today. Female Ben.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
That's why Ben likes having her around. Yeah, I guess so,
Drid Spirit.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Yeah, such a lot of creepiness in this amongst this
crew for sure. Oh I was wrong. The next episode, Desmond,
Oh okay, but there is a there is a Sun
episode coming up that will continue from the moment where
(20:11):
Sun heard about pregnant ladies dying and when huh okay, good.
Yeah that was a little placeholder, a little bite.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
But next Tuesday we will continue with season three, episode
seventeen of Lost Catch twenty two, which is a Desmond
flashback episode. Desmond's been pretty quiet lately, just been sitting
around looking haunted, so you know, time for him to
continue his sad, sad story. Okay, and we will see
(20:46):
you back here tomorrow to discuss only murders in the building,
which is back back. Thank you for listening. You can
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