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September 23, 2025 17 mins
Each Tuesday, we discuss an older entertainment property, and currently, that's Lost. On this episode, we identify with Desmond's struggles to both predict the outcomes of his actions and bear the responsibility of keeping Charlie alive.

Next Tuesday, we'll continue with season 3, episode 18, "D.O.C." Tomorrow, we'll continue with our discussion of a newer show, Only Murders in the Building, season 5, episode 4, "Dirty Birds."
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and
I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't
help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as
our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested
in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm
going over the same parenting topics over and over.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
So, since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,
we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we
thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,
if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,
and let's all make like we're doing something important for
our families.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
Each Tuesday, we bring you a watch or rewatch of
an older entertainment property. And for this week of September fifteenth, no,
for this week of September twenty second, we're continuing with
Lost season three, episode seventeen, catch twenty two, which is
a Desmond flashback episode which you know Desmond's a torture guy.

(01:02):
Did we mention that I mentioned that Desmond's kind of
a tortured guy. Lots of bad things that happened to
him in his life. He had a fiance we had
knew nothing about. Yep, he was with for six years.
That is a revelation of this episode. But other than that, Yeah,
you know rough life has Desmond had in the present,
in the future, flash forward future, and in the past.

(01:25):
Poor Desmond seems like a nice fellow, been through a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Yeah, And I guess we were meant to think that
the whole being a monk thing came after Penny, you know,
came after all of that, you know, torture. By the
end you find out that it was that's how he.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
Met Penny, right, yes, yes, Well, when Ruth came along
and said we were together for six years, I'm like,
how does this fit in with Penny? Did he like say,
I can't be with Penny, so I'm going to be
with Rue and for six years. It was very confusing,
But yeah, we were supposed to think that this was
like part of his maybe after prison. And then at

(02:10):
the end we find out that he met Penny afterwards.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
So it was a flash farther back than we might
have once.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
Thought exactly exactly. And Penny they're meet cute there at
the end where she's making up a bunch of wine
and offers him a ride to town brings us to
our first parenting tip, which is, don't let strange people
who've been fired from the you know, monastery get in
your car. Why do you you don't know this guy? Yeah, well,

(02:38):
let me tell you, honey, he's only going to bring
you pain and sorrow. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
Yeah. It turned out okay for her in the very
short term, but not exactly the long term.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
This is the beginning of decades of tortured romance. Honey,
let him take the bus, let him take a cab.
You don't know anything about this guy except that he
is no longer allowed to be a monk.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
Yeah, we'll find someone else to help.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
A feeling about him, he's got a feeling. Yeah, oh well,
But fortunately, although she does dangerous things like lets strange
men into her car, she does not do dangerous things
like parachuting out of a helicopter onto a strange island.
So yeah, how Desmond would have thought that his millionaire's

(03:27):
daughter gal is going to be the one to parachute
to the strange island?

Speaker 2 (03:33):
Right?

Speaker 1 (03:34):
Very sweety, Adaz that you thought she'd do that for you,
And I'm sure she would like to, but she has
enough money to pay somebody to do as right, and
then the phone rings while she's laying in her bed
and she talks to somebody, and then she pulls the
blanket back up and goes to sleep.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
So let me know when you actually find him.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
Yes, so it is, in fact not Penny hanging from
the tree, but somebody we will get to know a
little better. And people seem to be able to come
to this island when they want to. But for a
weird island that nobody can get off of, a lot

(04:15):
of people seem to be.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
Able to get on.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
That's true, Oh dear, Yes, But parenting tip wise, I
liked the bit that Desmond was saying about the jigsaw
puzzle that you have this jigsaw puzzle and you want
things to happen the way it showed. But every time

(04:39):
you do something a little bit different, the entire jigsaw
puzzle change. Isn't that like our life? Yes, you think
you're going to do something and something's gonna happen, but
you do something a little different at all. No, or
you thought that this was going to be a good
thing and then it turns out to be a bad thing,
and it's just like one little detail, one little problem

(05:01):
it's never the jigsaw puzzle. The jigsaw puzzle you have
constructed in your mind does not exist.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
No. Yeah, And you know, as parents, we are always
trying to think as many steps ahead as we can exactly.
This is about like nice try.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
But now I have this perfect idea of a vacation.
Can I Can I let my kid get a spear
of the throat to keep the vacation for No? Oh, yeah,
you got to sacrifice your your perfect plans for your child.
You can't actually let Charlie take a spirit of the throat,

(05:41):
as much as you may want to. And then you
know we have all this this life and death drama
and this tortured romance over the decades, and people coming
to the island and dropping out of the sky and
people may be dying. And then you know, Kate sees

(06:05):
the jackets with Juliet and say she has to go
get it on with Sawyer. And then Sawyer sees that
that's the reason she came in, and oh, there's such
a drama. It's kids, kids, you're too old for this.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
Stop it.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
Also, Kate, did you find some birth control on the beach,
because bad things happened to pregnantly he's on the side.
Do you want to be caring? Ye?

Speaker 2 (06:25):
Watch out. Maybe she's trying to test that theory.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
But my god, stop it, you guys, you're all adult.
Stop it is. There's some sort of time lag on
this island that makes you act like a teenager.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
It's all part of Juliet's master plan, Yes, which is.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
Ben master plan? Were than once? Swayer starts out by
asking Kate, did you tell him? Did you tell him
we did it? Did you tell him? They're all they're
all ridiculousdiculous get yourself a show on the w B
and Leavist alone.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
Yeah, I would think it. I mean you you open
by saying, how Desmond, you know, things are rough, but
boy like seeing into the future and then having it
confirmed like yes, with just these weird little conversations that

(07:26):
Hurley and Yeah and Charlie are having it ooh.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
Oh no, we have to listen to that flash and
hear my.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
Gang and we only heard it like three or four times. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
Yeah, that whole Desmond's whole premonition thing seems very parenting
to me. I feel like we walk around doing that
all the time, right, you know, I see, you know,
I can see where this is going to go and
what's going to happen. So I need to do something
right now so that it will or will not right
and if it does, you know, if I don't do

(08:02):
it just right, then some other bad thing is going
to happen. But maybe I can do something that will.
It's a lot of work.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
Yeah, yeah, that mental load. It's just like a real
demonstration of the mental load.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
And Desmond having this, having this responsibility now to constantly
save Charlie's life over and over again.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
I feel you, man, Yeah, I know how that is exactly. Yeah,
He's just gonna be like, all right, Charlie, just stay
away from me. I'll stay away from you and we'll just.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
Charlie, I'm just gonna shoot you now and put us.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
Yeah that might that might be the best plan.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
I don't know, such a responsibility to be in charge
of somebody's life and death and to know that something
that you do could cause somebody to cease to be
and that if you don't do yeah, you know, if
you if you are not at the right place at
the right time. Oops. Yeah, And so you're just constantly
on it. No wonder the man is torture m h.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
And now he thought, this is.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
Nobody's coming over to his tent and offering to get
it on to make somebody else jealous.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
And well he wouldn't be interested because it's all. But
now he's he's suffered through all these visions and gotten
his hopes up, and now it's just some rando that's
landed here. I know, I know she won't end up
being at rando, but at the moment, that's what it
feels like.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
Nothing is random, I know that.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
Yeah, another parenting trip apropos of the Kate Jack Juliet
Sawyer of it all. Parents, teach your kids that love
triangles are trouble and it will lead you into unwise behavior. Yes,
parents should have this on their radar, and if they

(10:03):
see any triangulations going on, just move to another town.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
Get up, get off your island and go to a
different island.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
Exactly. Take your kid children, get your child out of
that right now, because they're going to do stupid things.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
If only they had the power of Desmond to look
into the future and see how stupid that alterns. Right,
But I have looked into the future, but I can't
say yes, so oh so I wanted to mention something
about I think an episode or two ago, we were

(10:45):
talking about that there's six seasons altogether. We're not even
to the end of season three, so we are not
yet halfway through the show. However, it's important to note
that season the last three seasons have Lost are considerably
shorter than the first three seasons of Lost. They learned

(11:07):
that we cannot make them make that many episodes each
season or they will get really bad.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
They'll give us expose with Nikki and Paolo or exactly,
this is what you do to fill out a twenty
four episode order one with Jack.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
Yeah. And additionally, there was a writer strike in one
of those seasons which shortened the season. So the first
three seasons had about seventy episodes altogether. Yeah, like twenty
seasons have about forty eight episodes.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
Okay, so we.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
Are past halfway. Interesting, by my extremely non exact calculations,
halfway was about the episode enter seven to seven.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
Now, in terms of story and mythology left to go,
we're not even a quarter. But in terms of hours
of television, we are well past. How Okay, so you
know it will be, it will go, it will go
quicker after we get out of this interminable season. Okay,

(12:16):
and uh know, unfortunately they still have time for the
love triangle. But actually, actually now it's actually a love
It's like a square and it will eventually be a
love pentagon. But no, it won't be It will still
be a square. It's just it. Yeah, anyway, it's it's complicated,

(12:41):
it remains complicated and really does not need to be
complicated at all. But Hurley is continuing to be a
He's feeling his power.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
Uh huh.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
He is getting to be a very confident dude. And
I like that. Yes, I'm happy, and I like that
for us, Yes, exactly. And also huh something just went
through my brain and then just went right back out. Okay,
it's not been important.

Speaker 4 (13:16):
How could it be unimportant? When it comes everything, everything
means something. Yeah, like that's true.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
Oh the I know I was gonna say the ping
pong Oh, Sawyer and Jack enjoying, enjoying a friendly.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
Game, taking it out on.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
I enjoyed Sawyer saying that they got the ping pong
table from the hatch, and he says, if we don't
play every one hundred and eight minutes the islands, you
still got it sweats, got it in there somewhere you
can still be as smart assk Come on, man, well
and not mooning over Kate it was your son little.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
Nod to like there was you know, two years worth
of like, oh my god, we found a hatch. Okay,
now we have to press these buttons and oh my gosh,
and you know, like there's like you said, there's all
that story and okay, it's gone. Now it's done. It
blew up, It blew up, echo died.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
I mean, well, how many episodes has it been since
Locke opened the door and saw his father in a
room on the island?

Speaker 3 (14:26):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (14:26):
Is it been? And we're just supposed to not want
to know immediately? What the bleep? Yeah, come on, you guys.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
And we haven't seen Locke ors.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
We saw Lock briefly that he was going with them disappear. Yeah,
but he didn't see said he was going with them,
but he didn't say oh, and by the way, did
I did you know my dad? My dad's here? Nothing, nothing,
not a word like it never happened.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
Yeah, did they take him with did they?

Speaker 1 (14:53):
You know? And I think it's not even next episode,
it's not resolved. I think it's the episode after that.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
Yeah, because the next episode is sign.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
They can take time every dang week to check in
on high school doings with Kate and Sawyer and Jack,
but they can't just like give us a second of
Locke talking to his day out or something a minute acknowledgment.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
I'm sure those three have it in their contract, like,
you know, I need to be shirtless. I need to
be shown getting it on every yeah, second or third episode.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
So if they do, I feel very sad for them
that they think that's the most most important and interesting
part of their characters. Cut it out, you can, oh.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
Yeah, because I mean we have to see Kate in
her on these at least every certain number of episodes,
because you know, we've had We've had her going swimming
down to recover that case, Sawyer walked in on her
changing her.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
Clothes, you know, yeah instantly, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
Finding reasons to make her naked.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
All the other women in the cast are like Shore,
glad she got she can do it. You got that responsibility.
Oh well, next Tuesday, we will continue with season three,
which just goes on and on and on. We'll watch
episode eighteen, which is called Doc and is a Sun

(16:36):
flashback episode. So we will now be bouncing off of
the moment when Sun heard all the women pregnant women
die and you know said, uh, say what exactly? And
we will see you back here tomorrow to discuss only
murders in the building who thank you for listening. You

(16:58):
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