July 23, 2025 • 22 mins
Every Wednesday, we share our thoughts on a newer entertainment property, and we've now traveled back in time to The Gilded Age with the first episode of season 3. The battles for control of the title refer to the Ada/Agnes household, the Fane marriage, the Russell marriage, and of course the Russell mother and daughter, as we set up the game pieces for the season. We're ready!
Next Wednesday, we'll watch season 3, episode 2, "What the Papers Say." We'll be back tomorrow with our weekly roundup.
This episode was recorded before a live audience ... of dogs.
Next Wednesday, we'll watch season 3, episode 2, "What the Papers Say." We'll be back tomorrow with our weekly roundup.
This episode was recorded before a live audience ... of dogs.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and
I'm Catherine hileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't
help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as
our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested
in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm
going over the same parenting topics over and over.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,
we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we
thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,
if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,
and let's all make like we're doing something important for
our families. Each Wednesday we bring you our thoughts on
a newer entertainment property, and for this week of July
(00:45):
twenty second, we are returning to the latest season of
a show that we've enjoyed in the past, The Guilded Age.
As we mentioned yesterday a few times, we are a
few weeks behind when it is airing on Sunday nights.
This one. I very much enjoyed the title of the
first episode, who is in Charge Here? Which it has
(01:12):
many references.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
We have Yeah, we have ada and Agnes fighting for
control of their home and their servants who are caught
in the middle and real put out about it, getting
conflicting instructions from the two.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Ladies, oh my goodness.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
And the butler just trying to keep the peace. And
then we have at the Russells. Of course, we have
is George in charge of the family or is Bertha?
I think we know the answer to that one.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
He's Gladys in charge of her own life? Or is Bertha?
You know the answer to that one? And Larry also
is yeah, he's more like waiting out.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Yeah. And Larry, my friend, like he's the way he
tells his sister, He's like, you know, time's running out.
You should probably run Elope with this dude, like, sir,
this is this is a girl who has been raised,
you know, as a hot house flower. Like you think
(02:23):
she's just gonna like steal away in the night, which
she does by the end of the episode, Like yes, oh, Larry,
come on, yeah, Oh shouldn't you just Elope? What stop?
Speaker 1 (02:38):
And also you're going into business with the footman from
across the street and you're acting like he should be
served coffee in your house, which is real big of you.
But not so much that you would bring him to
meetings to actually explain the thing, would you do not which.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
You cannot explain exactly.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Yeah, you think you so broad, but you're not gonna
be able to sell this thing if you cannot explain it,
or you're not gonna sell it well anyway. And then
we have Aurora. Yeah, that came out of being sort
(03:15):
of a secondary character that apparently, you know, her husband
comes home and says, please divorce me so that I
can go be with my mistress and you can flounder
in society for the rest of your life. That is,
you know, the whole She's just gonna she'll have a
nice house and be well taken care of, but she
(03:38):
won't have any social life whatsoever, although there's other people
in Newport who are cast out right. I imagine she
and Laura bann Anti could have a pretty nice party.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yeah, they could just do karaoke all the time.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Yeah, they could put on Broadway place you know.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Yeah, that was that was a real gut punch, like, oh, yes,
it's been nothing but sweet and lovely to everyone, and yes, yeah,
we're all of a sudden, Charles, why are you such
a jerk?
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Oh my gosh. Yes, just perhaps this is this should
be taken by some as a lesson of what happens
if you marry the wrong person. Yeah, and if you like,
even if you love him and you think everything's just great,
is he the kind of guy who at some point
will run off with a recent widow And then of
(04:36):
course everybody, you know, even even her friends, are going
to exclude her from polite society because that is what
you do. That's just that's the way polite society works.
We're very sorry we have we're powerless against it.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Right, Yeah, I agness. It's just like, well, she might
not be comfortable in groups like well, if you make
her a comfortable she will be uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Yeah, and uh, you know, probably would not want to
go to a party at that house anyway because there
won't be any alcohol.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Yes, the whole there was a temperance meeting and the
face acting from the audience from from Aurora and even
Marion comes across with a little snark.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
But most especially Oscar, who just looks like, shoot me now,
the only pleasure I have left in life, it's a
glass of wine with dinner, and you're taking that from
me too.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
It was. It was delightful. I mean, not for them,
but for us.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
You know when you when you drag your kids to
some meeting, they may.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Respond, dear, Yes, Ada is feeling her power and uncomfortable
for everybody. Yes, even those who might have one time
rooted for her. They're like, we didn't think this was
going to go this direction, okay, and.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
I just it was just a wonderful vehicle for snarky
comments from everyone.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Yes, so dear, And much romantic drama over at the
Russell household, with Missus Russell determined to marry her daughter
to the duke. The daughter determined to marry what a
(06:46):
kid named Billy, very unpromising guy, and Billy's mother, always excruciating,
makes the kind of mistake that we've all made of
just saying the wrong thing that is going to cause
your child no end of trouble, right, and you cannot
(07:08):
pull the words.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Back into your mouth.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
So she goes up to Missus Russell and is a, oh,
isn't it wonderful? Our two children are all but engaged,
and Missus Russell is saying, say what to me? Yeah,
oh dear, and uh yeah, that was that was a
disastrous misstep by Billy's mother. I just I just cringed
(07:33):
for her. This is like, I believe I have done
the same at one point or another, not on that
particular subject, but.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Yeah, and I mean it's it's almost like when you
you know, you're in a social situation and you're just like, oh,
let me make conversation with this yes, with this person.
Oh dear not that conversation.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
No, no, it was the wrong one. Yikes.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
And there's so many characters on this show. They really
aren't gotten to Peggy yet.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Who oh, yes, she has she has, which is always
can't be good ominous in a period piece.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
But from what I've been reading online, everyone's like, oh
it's it's okay because she's like in all the previous
for the whole season. So the speculation is that a
hot doctor comes to take care of her, yeah, to
(08:44):
give her a love interest, since the white doctor was like,
uh no, not doing that, and Agnes immediately is like, oh,
he's going to pay for that, And yeah, I do believe.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
She felt like he would not want to cross her.
But she is no longer in the same position of
daunting power that you used to be. I wondered if
that was supposed to be a comment on that, right,
But we'll show him. We'll take away his alcohol. That's right,
that's what we're about.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Now, you'll be sorry.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
And early on we had dropped something that I'm sure
we'll pay off in future episodes, which is the chef
of the Russell household getting a letter and saying, I
suppose it's bad news. This kind of thing usually is yes,
which is also what Aurora might have said when her
husband came in and said, stop, just sit and listen. Right,
(09:45):
it's bad news. This kind of thing usually is also
what we say parenting tip wise, when you get a
note from the school. Yes, I suppose it's bad news.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Nothing usually is.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
So I wonder what the deal will be with him.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yes, still still enjoy.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
A pin in this little placeholder come back in another
episode for the chef.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Yes, yes, yeah, it's I still remember and enjoy the
whole storyline of him being like where was he? Where
is he from? Like Saint Louis or something?
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Yeah, Italian?
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Right, No, he's supposed to be French, like I supposed
to be French, like a famous French chef. His name
is Josh. He's from the Midwest, somewhere fantastic.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Yes, he's glad he doesn't have to do the accent anymore.
So we had a whole extended, uh change of scenery
with George out in Arizona. Yes, a little more civilized
than than Manhattan.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Yeah, when they're mad.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
They can get himself a drink if nothing else.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
And when they're when they're happy, they just fire a
gun into the ceiling and.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
As yeah, you know, none of this pussy pooting around.
So there's that whole plot and all apparently possible that
George's bankrupt now because there was a problem with the
bank and I'm sure that won't affect anybody's plants at all.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Yeah. Well, and he left Patrick Page out there to
do his dirty work. And even you know Patrick Page
is himself is just like, well, I'm expendable, Like he
knows his place.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Yeah, he seems like a pretty capable dude. You know,
he'll do it or die try it. Yeah, it just
was like so weird, just like suddenly we're in Deadwood.
Where do they move shows here?
Speaker 2 (11:52):
But and the little they you know, stagecoach up to
this little town, which truly looked like a movie set.
I was like, yes, you know, you spare no expense
for the costumes and the and the dinners in Manhattan,
but like this truly looked like a ghost town that
(12:16):
you would visit at an amusement park, you know, just like.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
All it didn't look very gilded.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
All flat facades and something behind.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Them is the impression we're only going to go there once.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Yeah, we're not going to spend a lot of money
on it. I guess instead, we'll spend our money making
it snow in Yes, in March, I guess is what
the implication is.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
But they mentioned that enough. Yeah, we get it. It's unusual.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Yeah, we heard along.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
But the uh, the help of the two different households
having a snowball fight was kind of cute.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
It was cute. I'll give them that. But yeah, this
whole you know, there's this whole argument between Bertha and
her daughter Gladys in terms of like, oh, but I
want to marry for love and you got to marry
for love, so and Bertha's like, well, I was nothing special.
(13:13):
You know, you have this opportunity and oh.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Oh parenting wise, man, I yeah, parenting tip, don't do that.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
No, don't project your ambitions onto your child you've already gotten,
Bertha so much of what you wanted. I mean, yes,
you've You've won the opera war for one thing. Yeah,
so well.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
But I think legitimately she is applying the lessons of
her own life to her daughter, although her daughter is
a completely different person and also in a completely different stage.
I get the feeling that Bertha was not rich at
birth and sort of scrapped her way into her relationship
with George, and now she wants to pass on to
(14:04):
her daughter the things that she's learned. But the things
that she's learned aren't appropriate for somebody who has had
a completely different life, which parenting tip. We all do this.
I mean, I have lots of advice about the world
of work for my daughter who will not work in
the same industry I did and have anything anything like
the same experiences in the workplace, So it's completely useless,
(14:28):
And you know what She's We definitely are not supposed
to be on team Bertha, obviously, although she's not wrong
that Gladys is not necessarily making good choices for herself.
Billy has like a neon sign on his head saying
feckless and will leave you for somebody in your middle
(14:49):
age and you will be off in a house in Newport.
But Larry says, do not think it enough that Gladys
just wants to be happy, And Bertha says happiness as
a bip product of a well ordered life may last
as a goal. It is doomed to failure. And that
is not wrong, you know, just saying I love him,
(15:10):
we'll be happy, let's flit off, you know, does not
necessarily have such a long life finding something that is
having a well ordered life? You know? But does that
necessarily mean marrying the dook who you don't love and
going off to a life of luxury but possibly not
(15:33):
the way you would like it. That's not going to
happen either, So you can't you can identify what's not
going to work. You can't always construct what is. It's
a problem. That's a problem right for parents. I would
like to construct it. May I build a well ordered
(15:55):
life for my child's police, so then she will be happy?
Could I do that? These building blocks here have a
set of legos? Could I build that place? You know?
Speaker 2 (16:06):
You?
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Unfortunately, so much of life involves making mistakes and learning
from them. Yeah, but as parents, we want to eliminate
the mistakes part and just go straight to the I
have my life together now part.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Right, Yeah, well, the parent has the lived experience that the.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Child exactly exactly. I absolutely believe that Birtha is working
from her lived experience that she's not like, I want
to be the mother in law of a duke. She's saying,
I'm going to construct for my child a life that
is meaningful, right, but not possibly to Gladys, I'm not
possibly happy. It's rough. I I sympath I was with
(16:53):
Birtha birthday, even as I think we're supposed to think
she's the bad guy.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Yeah, yeah, I mean she's she's not. She's not. Oh
that's the word. I'm like malicious about it. She's not
like I really, I don't want you to be happy.
I don't want you to be with the person that
that you want to be with just because I have
my own right, you know it's it's it's.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Four year own good. Yes supposedly so, yes, she must
be sensible and avoids stupid choices along with that.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Yeah, she's like eighteen or whatever.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Maybe at one point she says to Gladys, you're a girl.
If I say, and I pray, that's why you have
no judgment. We have all said some version about your Yes,
I love parenting tip. They don't want to hear it.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
No, unfortunately they do not.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Oh no, but yeah, this plotline is gonna get worse
than it's before it gets better. It is if it
gets better.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Yes, but I am glad to be back in this show.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Yes, yes, just.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
The historical fiction soap opera. Is it's my jam.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Yeah, yeah, but it's these first episodes. You'll like setting
up our conflicts for the season, right, and then they
will play out. So I like the playing out part
better than I like the setting up part. But parenting wise,
just one point at which Adas said to Oscar, I
(18:48):
will house you and feed you and even clothe you.
You are safe from real poverty. The rest you must
do for yourself. And that is like put that on
an embroidery and put that up on the wall. This
is what I give to my children. I will keep
you from being destitute, but make something of yourself, will
you please? Yes, I don't know. Foscar has it in it.
(19:12):
And we hope that for our children. We hope that
they will not just constantly be for the rest of
their lives satisfied with housing and feeding and clothing, and
it's like, I'm good, Yeah, it's gonna go upstairs and
find my hidden stash of booze and have a party.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Hang out in my fabulous bathroom and share a bathroom
with my cousin.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
This is where I am.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
No, no, it's fine, you go.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Oh gosh. Yeah, But Marian was going to go to
the bathroom, and then she has their conversation with Oscar
and then she decides to take to the pig tray
to Pagy and I'm like, don't you want to go
to the bathroom first? What if you're up with Pagan?
You have to go real bad and Oscar's in the bathroom.
She has better bladder control. She's a young woman, right me,
I would just have to probably, you know, pee before
(20:07):
and after eight am, sing, friend.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
Sure, enjoy that bladder control while you can, lady, and.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Your ability to just scamper up the stairs.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
With the true Sure, I can wait, that's mine, no emergency, right.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Problem. Oh well, we'll see where Gladys thinks she is
going in the in the middle of the night.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
So that definitely was Gladys sneaking out at the end.
If I had my dark scenes. Problem with that is
I could see that somebody was scurrying out of somewhere,
but I couldn't see or what. Oh, yeah, but she
seemed like the most likely choice.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
But yeah, first she packed a bag with a bunch
of truly random items. And then because she's never had
to pack a bag in.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Her life, is she wearing a hat? She was wearing
a ridiculous hat.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Gloves cloak entire situations.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Sweetie, are you going to Billy's house? Because I don't
think they're going to be happy to see you under
these circumstances, because I imagine you can expect Bertha's revenge
to be swift if they do anything at all but
bring her immediately back home, right, oh dear so well?
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Well, perhaps find out Next Wednesday, we'll continue with season three,
episode two, What the Papers Say? Oh, I hope the
papers still get end of this.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Uh oh.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
We'll see you back to here tomorrow for our weekly
roundabout roundup.
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Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and
I'm Catherine hileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't
help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as
our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested
in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm
going over the same parenting topics over and over.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,
we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we
thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,
if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,
and let's all make like we're doing something important for
our families. Each Wednesday we bring you our thoughts on
a newer entertainment property, and for this week of July
(00:45):
twenty second, we are returning to the latest season of
a show that we've enjoyed in the past, The Guilded Age.
As we mentioned yesterday a few times, we are a
few weeks behind when it is airing on Sunday nights.
This one. I very much enjoyed the title of the
first episode, who is in Charge Here? Which it has
(01:12):
many references.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
We have Yeah, we have ada and Agnes fighting for
control of their home and their servants who are caught
in the middle and real put out about it, getting
conflicting instructions from the two.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Ladies, oh my goodness.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
And the butler just trying to keep the peace. And
then we have at the Russells. Of course, we have
is George in charge of the family or is Bertha?
I think we know the answer to that one.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
He's Gladys in charge of her own life? Or is Bertha?
You know the answer to that one? And Larry also
is yeah, he's more like waiting out.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Yeah. And Larry, my friend, like he's the way he
tells his sister, He's like, you know, time's running out.
You should probably run Elope with this dude, like, sir,
this is this is a girl who has been raised,
you know, as a hot house flower. Like you think
(02:23):
she's just gonna like steal away in the night, which
she does by the end of the episode, Like yes, oh, Larry,
come on, yeah, Oh shouldn't you just Elope? What stop?
Speaker 1 (02:38):
And also you're going into business with the footman from
across the street and you're acting like he should be
served coffee in your house, which is real big of you.
But not so much that you would bring him to
meetings to actually explain the thing, would you do not which.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
You cannot explain exactly.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Yeah, you think you so broad, but you're not gonna
be able to sell this thing if you cannot explain it,
or you're not gonna sell it well anyway. And then
we have Aurora. Yeah, that came out of being sort
(03:15):
of a secondary character that apparently, you know, her husband
comes home and says, please divorce me so that I
can go be with my mistress and you can flounder
in society for the rest of your life. That is,
you know, the whole She's just gonna she'll have a
nice house and be well taken care of, but she
(03:38):
won't have any social life whatsoever, although there's other people
in Newport who are cast out right. I imagine she
and Laura bann Anti could have a pretty nice party.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yeah, they could just do karaoke all the time.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Yeah, they could put on Broadway place you know.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Yeah, that was that was a real gut punch, like, oh, yes,
it's been nothing but sweet and lovely to everyone, and yes, yeah,
we're all of a sudden, Charles, why are you such
a jerk?
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Oh my gosh. Yes, just perhaps this is this should
be taken by some as a lesson of what happens
if you marry the wrong person. Yeah, and if you like,
even if you love him and you think everything's just great,
is he the kind of guy who at some point
will run off with a recent widow And then of
(04:36):
course everybody, you know, even even her friends, are going
to exclude her from polite society because that is what
you do. That's just that's the way polite society works.
We're very sorry we have we're powerless against it.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Right, Yeah, I agness. It's just like, well, she might
not be comfortable in groups like well, if you make
her a comfortable she will be uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Yeah, and uh, you know, probably would not want to
go to a party at that house anyway because there
won't be any alcohol.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Yes, the whole there was a temperance meeting and the
face acting from the audience from from Aurora and even
Marion comes across with a little snark.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
But most especially Oscar, who just looks like, shoot me now,
the only pleasure I have left in life, it's a
glass of wine with dinner, and you're taking that from
me too.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
It was. It was delightful. I mean, not for them,
but for us.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
You know when you when you drag your kids to
some meeting, they may.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Respond, dear, Yes, Ada is feeling her power and uncomfortable
for everybody. Yes, even those who might have one time
rooted for her. They're like, we didn't think this was
going to go this direction, okay, and.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
I just it was just a wonderful vehicle for snarky
comments from everyone.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Yes, so dear, And much romantic drama over at the
Russell household, with Missus Russell determined to marry her daughter
to the duke. The daughter determined to marry what a
(06:46):
kid named Billy, very unpromising guy, and Billy's mother, always excruciating,
makes the kind of mistake that we've all made of
just saying the wrong thing that is going to cause
your child no end of trouble, right, and you cannot
(07:08):
pull the words.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Back into your mouth.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
So she goes up to Missus Russell and is a, oh,
isn't it wonderful? Our two children are all but engaged,
and Missus Russell is saying, say what to me? Yeah,
oh dear, and uh yeah, that was that was a
disastrous misstep by Billy's mother. I just I just cringed
(07:33):
for her. This is like, I believe I have done
the same at one point or another, not on that
particular subject, but.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Yeah, and I mean it's it's almost like when you
you know, you're in a social situation and you're just like, oh,
let me make conversation with this yes, with this person.
Oh dear not that conversation.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
No, no, it was the wrong one. Yikes.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
And there's so many characters on this show. They really
aren't gotten to Peggy yet.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Who oh, yes, she has she has, which is always
can't be good ominous in a period piece.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
But from what I've been reading online, everyone's like, oh
it's it's okay because she's like in all the previous
for the whole season. So the speculation is that a
hot doctor comes to take care of her, yeah, to
(08:44):
give her a love interest, since the white doctor was like,
uh no, not doing that, and Agnes immediately is like, oh,
he's going to pay for that, And yeah, I do believe.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
She felt like he would not want to cross her.
But she is no longer in the same position of
daunting power that you used to be. I wondered if
that was supposed to be a comment on that, right,
But we'll show him. We'll take away his alcohol. That's right,
that's what we're about.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Now, you'll be sorry.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
And early on we had dropped something that I'm sure
we'll pay off in future episodes, which is the chef
of the Russell household getting a letter and saying, I
suppose it's bad news. This kind of thing usually is yes,
which is also what Aurora might have said when her
husband came in and said, stop, just sit and listen. Right,
(09:45):
it's bad news. This kind of thing usually is also
what we say parenting tip wise, when you get a
note from the school. Yes, I suppose it's bad news.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Nothing usually is.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
So I wonder what the deal will be with him.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yes, still still enjoy.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
A pin in this little placeholder come back in another
episode for the chef.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Yes, yes, yeah, it's I still remember and enjoy the
whole storyline of him being like where was he? Where
is he from? Like Saint Louis or something?
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Yeah, Italian?
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Right, No, he's supposed to be French, like I supposed
to be French, like a famous French chef. His name
is Josh. He's from the Midwest, somewhere fantastic.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Yes, he's glad he doesn't have to do the accent anymore.
So we had a whole extended, uh change of scenery
with George out in Arizona. Yes, a little more civilized
than than Manhattan.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Yeah, when they're mad.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
They can get himself a drink if nothing else.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
And when they're when they're happy, they just fire a
gun into the ceiling and.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
As yeah, you know, none of this pussy pooting around.
So there's that whole plot and all apparently possible that
George's bankrupt now because there was a problem with the
bank and I'm sure that won't affect anybody's plants at all.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Yeah. Well, and he left Patrick Page out there to
do his dirty work. And even you know Patrick Page
is himself is just like, well, I'm expendable, Like he
knows his place.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Yeah, he seems like a pretty capable dude. You know,
he'll do it or die try it. Yeah, it just
was like so weird, just like suddenly we're in Deadwood.
Where do they move shows here?
Speaker 2 (11:52):
But and the little they you know, stagecoach up to
this little town, which truly looked like a movie set.
I was like, yes, you know, you spare no expense
for the costumes and the and the dinners in Manhattan,
but like this truly looked like a ghost town that
(12:16):
you would visit at an amusement park, you know, just like.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
All it didn't look very gilded.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
All flat facades and something behind.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Them is the impression we're only going to go there once.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Yeah, we're not going to spend a lot of money
on it. I guess instead, we'll spend our money making
it snow in Yes, in March, I guess is what
the implication is.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
But they mentioned that enough. Yeah, we get it. It's unusual.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Yeah, we heard along.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
But the uh, the help of the two different households
having a snowball fight was kind of cute.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
It was cute. I'll give them that. But yeah, this
whole you know, there's this whole argument between Bertha and
her daughter Gladys in terms of like, oh, but I
want to marry for love and you got to marry
for love, so and Bertha's like, well, I was nothing special.
(13:13):
You know, you have this opportunity and oh.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Oh parenting wise, man, I yeah, parenting tip, don't do that.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
No, don't project your ambitions onto your child you've already gotten,
Bertha so much of what you wanted. I mean, yes,
you've You've won the opera war for one thing. Yeah,
so well.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
But I think legitimately she is applying the lessons of
her own life to her daughter, although her daughter is
a completely different person and also in a completely different stage.
I get the feeling that Bertha was not rich at
birth and sort of scrapped her way into her relationship
with George, and now she wants to pass on to
(14:04):
her daughter the things that she's learned. But the things
that she's learned aren't appropriate for somebody who has had
a completely different life, which parenting tip. We all do this.
I mean, I have lots of advice about the world
of work for my daughter who will not work in
the same industry I did and have anything anything like
the same experiences in the workplace, So it's completely useless,
(14:28):
And you know what She's We definitely are not supposed
to be on team Bertha, obviously, although she's not wrong
that Gladys is not necessarily making good choices for herself.
Billy has like a neon sign on his head saying
feckless and will leave you for somebody in your middle
(14:49):
age and you will be off in a house in Newport.
But Larry says, do not think it enough that Gladys
just wants to be happy, And Bertha says happiness as
a bip product of a well ordered life may last
as a goal. It is doomed to failure. And that
is not wrong, you know, just saying I love him,
(15:10):
we'll be happy, let's flit off, you know, does not
necessarily have such a long life finding something that is
having a well ordered life? You know? But does that
necessarily mean marrying the dook who you don't love and
going off to a life of luxury but possibly not
(15:33):
the way you would like it. That's not going to
happen either, So you can't you can identify what's not
going to work. You can't always construct what is. It's
a problem. That's a problem right for parents. I would
like to construct it. May I build a well ordered
(15:55):
life for my child's police, so then she will be happy?
Could I do that? These building blocks here have a
set of legos? Could I build that place? You know?
Speaker 2 (16:06):
You?
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Unfortunately, so much of life involves making mistakes and learning
from them. Yeah, but as parents, we want to eliminate
the mistakes part and just go straight to the I
have my life together now part.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Right, Yeah, well, the parent has the lived experience that the.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Child exactly exactly. I absolutely believe that Birtha is working
from her lived experience that she's not like, I want
to be the mother in law of a duke. She's saying,
I'm going to construct for my child a life that
is meaningful, right, but not possibly to Gladys, I'm not
possibly happy. It's rough. I I sympath I was with
(16:53):
Birtha birthday, even as I think we're supposed to think
she's the bad guy.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Yeah, yeah, I mean she's she's not. She's not. Oh
that's the word. I'm like malicious about it. She's not
like I really, I don't want you to be happy.
I don't want you to be with the person that
that you want to be with just because I have
my own right, you know it's it's it's.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Four year own good. Yes supposedly so, yes, she must
be sensible and avoids stupid choices along with that.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Yeah, she's like eighteen or whatever.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Maybe at one point she says to Gladys, you're a girl.
If I say, and I pray, that's why you have
no judgment. We have all said some version about your Yes,
I love parenting tip. They don't want to hear it.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
No, unfortunately they do not.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Oh no, but yeah, this plotline is gonna get worse
than it's before it gets better. It is if it
gets better.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Yes, but I am glad to be back in this show.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Yes, yes, just.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
The historical fiction soap opera. Is it's my jam.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Yeah, yeah, but it's these first episodes. You'll like setting
up our conflicts for the season, right, and then they
will play out. So I like the playing out part
better than I like the setting up part. But parenting wise,
just one point at which Adas said to Oscar, I
(18:48):
will house you and feed you and even clothe you.
You are safe from real poverty. The rest you must
do for yourself. And that is like put that on
an embroidery and put that up on the wall. This
is what I give to my children. I will keep
you from being destitute, but make something of yourself, will
you please? Yes, I don't know. Foscar has it in it.
(19:12):
And we hope that for our children. We hope that
they will not just constantly be for the rest of
their lives satisfied with housing and feeding and clothing, and
it's like, I'm good, Yeah, it's gonna go upstairs and
find my hidden stash of booze and have a party.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Hang out in my fabulous bathroom and share a bathroom
with my cousin.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
This is where I am.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
No, no, it's fine, you go.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Oh gosh. Yeah, But Marian was going to go to
the bathroom, and then she has their conversation with Oscar
and then she decides to take to the pig tray
to Pagy and I'm like, don't you want to go
to the bathroom first? What if you're up with Pagan?
You have to go real bad and Oscar's in the bathroom.
She has better bladder control. She's a young woman, right me,
I would just have to probably, you know, pee before
(20:07):
and after eight am, sing, friend.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
Sure, enjoy that bladder control while you can, lady, and.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Your ability to just scamper up the stairs.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
With the true Sure, I can wait, that's mine, no emergency, right.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Problem. Oh well, we'll see where Gladys thinks she is
going in the in the middle of the night.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
So that definitely was Gladys sneaking out at the end.
If I had my dark scenes. Problem with that is
I could see that somebody was scurrying out of somewhere,
but I couldn't see or what. Oh, yeah, but she
seemed like the most likely choice.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
But yeah, first she packed a bag with a bunch
of truly random items. And then because she's never had
to pack a bag in.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Her life, is she wearing a hat? She was wearing
a ridiculous hat.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Gloves cloak entire situations.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Sweetie, are you going to Billy's house? Because I don't
think they're going to be happy to see you under
these circumstances, because I imagine you can expect Bertha's revenge
to be swift if they do anything at all but
bring her immediately back home, right, oh dear so well?
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Well, perhaps find out Next Wednesday, we'll continue with season three,
episode two, What the Papers Say? Oh, I hope the
papers still get end of this.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Uh oh.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
We'll see you back to here tomorrow for our weekly
roundabout roundup.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
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