September 3, 2025 • 22 mins
Every Wednesday, we share our thoughts on a newer entertainment property, and currently, that's The Gilded Age. In this episode, some people are learning that gossip doesn't pay, and others that enemies can be lurking behind every door. Mentioned: HBO's Gilded Age podcast.
Next Wednesday, we'll finish season 3 with episode 8, "My Mind Is Made Up." We'll be back tomorrow with our weekly roundup.
Next Wednesday, we'll finish season 3 with episode 8, "My Mind Is Made Up." We'll be back tomorrow with our weekly roundup.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and
I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't
help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as
our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested
in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm
going over the same parenting topics over and over.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,
we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we
thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,
if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,
and let's all make like we're doing something important for
our families. Each Wednesday we bring you our thoughts on
a newer entertainment property. And for this week of September first,
(00:45):
we are continuing with the Guilded Age with season three,
episode seven, ex Communicated. It starts with the reveal that
Ward McAllister, which is the Nathan Lane character, has written
this book and he really seems to think that everyone's
(01:11):
going to be cool with it, and.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
They love him. I made them what they are today.
They what a guy.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
The fact that they had a meeting and this meeting
was Ada, Agnes, Bertha russell A, Missus Fish and Missus
astor those five all in a.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Row together like picture that that was weird right there.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Yeah, And I listened to the official Gilded Age podcast,
which I don't always but I happened to listen to
the one from this episode, and they were interviewing Christine
Baranski and she was like, oh, I couldn't believe that,
Like there was no time for like, let's take a
step back and know, this is the first time Bertha
(01:59):
has ever been in their house.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Oh my gosh, that's right.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
In Ada and Agnes's house. And there was not any
commentary on it. It was just right into this meeting
about Ward McAllister and his scandalous, scandalous book. So I
thought that was a great point, like when that so
much fun to see, But we did not get that.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Their nieces potential mother in law if they can those
crazy kids can get this all straightened up.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Yes, yes, which there was a little bit more of
of that in this episode with Larry came back from
Arizona and you know, he's on a high because like
we're rich again.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
He gets the.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Family and the company, and then he gets this letter
from Marion that says like, no way, man, We're not
doing this. And ye, he's on this roller coaster. He
tries to talk Mary out of it. She won't listen.
But then she hears from Jack an impartial source, yes,
(03:09):
that Larry didn't actually do anything untoward at the disorderly
house or.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
The And also it probably helps that she had Ada,
in her very sweet way, sort of smack her upside
the head. Being alone for the rest of your life
is not a good thing.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Girl, This is not what you want.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Do not insult me by thinking I had a wonderful,
care free life.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Right, So that was good.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
That was something that she needed to hear, And it
hadn't occurred to me until Marian was saying that that
Ada was the one to tell her, you know, go
find yourself a man.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Think. So let's think this through a little bit.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
More exactly.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
This. I can tell you exactly what's standing on your principles,
and you know, being hard person about this is going
to get you nowhere good.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
And also, Larry is just exceptionally cute, isn't he. It's
just exceptionally cute. Look at that boy. How can you
be so mean?
Speaker 2 (04:19):
But he is kind of a dufist, he is.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Well, that adds to his cuteness, does it not?
Speaker 2 (04:27):
I suppose I don't know, yes, but.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
You will Jack finally why she should have asked Jack earlier?
Speaker 3 (04:36):
But uh.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Yeah, I'm not sure if she next word is unimpeachable,
So yes, yes, So just the fact that he Jack
is now like buying a house, a fully furnished house,
and he's supposed to know what to do with it.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Yep, He's going to have to get right. And how
weird is that.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Going to be?
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Right?
Speaker 1 (04:58):
He'll be having strip you know, critical eye on those footmen.
That's yeah, wouldn't want to be his footman when I
was footman.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Maybe he'll hire Hill, Maybe he'll hire a Bridget, the
cute housemaid from from Over.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
I don't know what I'm reading on social media. There's
people saying he should marry Bridget, which would be fine,
but then she must also go through them.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
I'm sure she's adjustment.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
She's got got nice dress, is picked out, so yeah, yeah,
what a what I mean? I suppose this sort of
thing happened, that one's fortunes got raised precipitously as they
were dashed. Precipitously as well. But uh wow, right, that's
well quite the transition.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
This was also covered on the podcast and the because
there's a history guy who's on that podcast, and he said,
you know, we definitely we think about this whole like
rags to riches stuff and like, you know, the American
dream blah blah blah. He's like, I couldn't find any examples,
(06:07):
any record of somebody who was in service, you know,
someone who was a maid or a footman or whatever,
you know, raising their fortunes in this way because they
were expected to just be fully devoted to.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Their right to their work as supposed to be messing
with clocks, you know. So I thought that was that
was pretty interesting. So yeah, that is well, I wish
I wish him. Well, it's like a nice house. Glad
he had, Glad Mary and helped him. Glad somebody's helping him.
He tell this boy what to do. Oh my goodness.
(06:48):
Not the marry is you know, replete with life experience.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
But still right, yes, so yeah, I mean a lot
went on. As in contrast to yesterday's discussion of Lost,
where it was completely useless, there was so much that
happened here I mean, we had the whole thing with
(07:15):
Peggy where we see her getting closer and closer with
doctor Kirkland, and then, as we knew it would, the
news that the gossip about her previous marriage and her
child makes its way to his mother.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Of course, yes, he could not be happy.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
That's and she yeah. She basically is like, excuse me,
I have to catch a train she's doing.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
She hot footed it out of her living room in
Newport or wherever she was to deliver this news immediately.
But this is a this is a to his credit,
doctor Kirkland, yes, just says I need to hear it
from Peggy. He does, right, just be like, what you know,
(08:06):
thanks for telling me.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Mom, because he knows Peggy a little bit, and b
he knows his mother a lot, so he's not just
going to be taking her word for it and saying,
oh well, yes, of course I'll do exactly what you say. Mom.
You must be right, yeah, no, I'll give you that satisfaction.
Absolutely no. But parenting tip wise, this does. Now in
(08:32):
the case of the doctor's mom, we are against her,
we don't care for her, we think she's kind of awful. Yes,
And in the case of Bertha. We've come over this
time to sort of be on her side even as
she manipulates people and does things. But we're gonna have
some hard times here for mothers who think they're doing
(08:53):
the right thing for their family. They're only thinking about
their family. They just want their family to be in
a good position and not hook to somebody who's not
right for them and all this. They're just doing it
for their family. You're going down, ladies. You know, nobody cares.
You will be smacked down, probably by your family. It
(09:14):
doesn't matter if you really are just all on the
up and up or if you're getting a little satisfaction
on the side. It doesn't matter. You will be smacked down.
And I'm a little uncomfortable feeling gleeful about it.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Could I be a cues.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Sometimes have using my family as ponser, you know, coming
up with an idea in my head and making everybody
do it. No certain.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Could I tell my child something to make them not
do with it.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
I don't want them to do only with the purest
of intentions. So you know, we are heading for smackdowns
all around here in the final episode.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
And and.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
As much as I will be saying yes, yes, that
terrible mother of the doctor. Oh she's so awful. And yes, Bertha,
you know what, you made your daughter marry somebody and
she didn't want to and all this and all that.
As much as they may superficially deserve it, I'm gonna
feel a little uncomfortable about them getting what's right them right.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Well, I think Gladys has come around, you know she has.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
And I was thinking the other day, not only did
she think Billy Carleton was a super du duper great
match for herself, she at one time thought Oscar van
Ryan was a super duduper great match for herself. So
taking this girl and saying no, I will choose sweetie
not necessarily a bad idea. I'm just saying, right exactly, Hm,
(10:50):
possibly not the best and smartest taste in men, has Gladys.
So she and the Duke seem to be just see,
this is what's going to be. The really sad thing
is that all of birth plans are going to end
in happiness and she's still going to get smacked down. Mamas,
you can't win, We'll.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
See, or she's going to lose her husband because someone
came into his office with a gun.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
So Yes, is the second Is this gonna be the
second episode in a row where somebody gets abruptly canceled?
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Well, but we have to think. I think I have
to think that George uh found a way to survive this, because.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
I would think so too. You know, Morgan Spector is
a bigger part of the cast than the dude who
played John.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yes, and you know, we still have to have a
ball in Newport, and we're not going to have that
if he's dead.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
So that's true, that's true.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
I don't think the rest of the socialites would dance
and Bertha would just have to we're black and sit
in the corner. Nobody likes George that much.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Yeah, I like George.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Yeah, I like George too. He's he's stressed right now.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
But I like George best when he and Bertha are
a team. Yes, And I still feel, as I said
in a previous episode, that he's turning against Bertha at
a time where she hasn't really done anything all that wrong,
as opposed to other times when he could have had
more of a reason for it. Everything worked out just
(12:29):
you know, take the wind man.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
But as Bertha is trying to say, she's like, but
I went, I remember I was on a boat. I
was gone for like three weeks, and you know, Gladys
it's fine.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Now, yes, and the you know, the company is saved
and uh yeah gotta.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Because Larry also is like, you know, still mad at her, So.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
What did she do to him?
Speaker 2 (13:03):
She's at he's mad about Gladys still, and also he's like,
you were probably the one that put Marian up to.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Which he soon.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Finds that is not the case. Needs to be mad
who did it accidentally?
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Yeah, yeh.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Dummy.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
But oh that's also a lot of wold where Oscar. Yeah,
that well, that was the whole scene where he he
kind of broke down in front of all the ladies, Aida,
Agnus and Marian, just you know, all but confessing the
(13:48):
relationship he had with John Q.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Adams. So that was that was, yeah, a big thing.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
And uh then we had Mary and being like, well
I don't understand, but I'm.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Yeah, yeah, kind of got him out of there before
the scene concluded. The way it looked like it was going.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Right right, but yeah, and you wonder like, okay that
did Data and Agnes just kind of look at each
other and go, okay, well, good night to you in
the morning, you know, like, we're not gonna talk about
this anymore.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Yeah, yeah, less said the better.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Yeah. One other parenting tips can.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
We get well, I think we can say. And this
is both something to remember as a parent and something
to teach your child. The gossip never pays, even when
it does. McAllister Andre and both got cash for their gossip.
And right the doctor's mother thinks she's going to get
(15:01):
her way from the gossip. But you know, nah, yeah,
it doesn't work out right, best not to go there. Yes,
Andre was the maid, yes, who turned out to be
the one getting forty dollars for each item she got
she sold. But you know, I think twice, Yeah, before
(15:23):
making fun of people, or telling people's secrets or selling
people's secrets, think about it. It's probably not going to
work out well in the end. Fun during the process,
but not going to work out well in the end.
If Allister made enough on his books, he can just
go find by himself a big house somewhere. And you know, yeah,
(15:47):
but he was part of the society he feels he created. Truly,
that speech to missus Astor was not going to get
you in.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Yeah, that was just to Lulu over there.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
You know, you know nothing, and I made you remember?
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Yeah, remember how your husband just all he wanted to
do was hang out on his yacht with showgirls. Oops,
that was not the direction to take that.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Yeah, he's.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Been a smart guy, but that seems to have seems
to Yeah, just so well right.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Now, just the way he was like, how could you know?
Why would anyone care if I called them cheap? And
whatever else he did?
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah didn't pay. No, it did not, did not.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
It may he may have made some good money from
the books, but it didn't pay socially. It's going to
be unpopular for a very long time.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Yeah, And I feel like for him that that is
a greater cost almost then, you know, than what he
It's not offset by by what he would have made
from the book.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
I wonder do we live in a time now where
he could have gotten away with that. People just be
jazzed to be in a book and considered me, yeah,
or would he still go down?
Speaker 3 (17:13):
He might still go down. I would not get invited
to the parties.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
He might It might kind of depend on the person
that I did see the comparison mage and not a book,
but still, yeah, I did see the comparison made to
Truman Capoti and he wrote about all of the the socialites,
and I had the same like what you know, the same.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Reaction like what do you mean you're mad at me?
What do you mean you'll never speak to me again? Like, yeah,
I thought we were friends, Like yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Did we until you turned you know, until you yapped
this all over town.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
So particular brand of obliviousness.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Yeah, yeah, by people who seem smart enough to understand, right,
and then don't don't be that person. Parenting tip It
may be fun writing on your blog about all the
moms at the school, but then when you don't get
you know, when you're getting the cold shoulder and the
pickup line, it's not.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Going to be worth it, right right yourself?
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Yep?
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Yes, Parenting tip wise along the same lines, watch out
who you make enemies of, I mean beyond McAllister Clay
certainly made an enemy of George, and George I guess
made an enemy of Clay if Clay is the one
who is behind the shooting, as one imagines, he might
be right, And yeah, stuff gets real really fast. You know,
(18:49):
you may like be defending your child and create an
enemy of somebody that you will later wish you had not.
It's best to try to moderate and modulate your approach
so that you don't completely humiliate the guy in a meeting,
(19:10):
or you know, completely give everybody secrets away, or.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
It's very tempting.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Go all out sure in a school meeting, but you
don't want to like tell the teacher exactly what her
because then your kid is still going to be in
that class for another six months and that will be unfortunate.
So yeah, be careful, just bring the little spider. No,
it's wrong show.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
So just have you know, a friend, have a friend
that you can you know, talk to about this stuff
instead of directing at the person, instead of blowing it
out to the whole world.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Yeah, yeah, tell your friend and then have your friend
sell you tell you let's you know, not right now.
So yeah, just just you've told me, you've got it
out of your system. Let's just let's just let it
lie here for a little while. Yeah, let's bury it alive.
Let's put it on a train out to Arizona. Let's
(20:21):
bury it in a copper mine.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
What what.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
A unimaginable stroke of luck that there happened to be
a huge and lucrative, lucrative copper mine. Yeah, right there,
right there they claim missed. Yeah, how could that be hope?
Speaker 3 (20:44):
That's hope, it's hope.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Larry's guy is on the up and up.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
I know, right.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
I kept waiting for that to be like, oh no,
this was all but he's like working for the people
who are selling the mind to get the price up.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Oh well that will be for another season though. Yeah.
Next week we have the ball. There's gonna be a ball, Katherine. Yes,
next Wednesday balls.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
There's going to be Bertha's ball, and there's going to
be the ball that uh.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Oh yeah, that that Peggy is invited to.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Yes, So next Wednesday we will finish up season three
with episode eight. It is called My Mind Is Made Up.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Oh, I want to know whose.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Mind is made up and what did they decide?
Speaker 1 (21:36):
I would guess that in the tradition of this show,
there are multiple minds made up.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Yes, exactly.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Possibly only one person will say those words, but other
people will be making their minds up and it's good
for them. Yep, as long as they're making their minds
up in a way that I approve. Otherwise keep it open.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Yes, well, we'll see We will be back with that
next week, and then we'll see you tomorrow for our
weekly Roundabout roundup.
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Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and
I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't
help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as
our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested
in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm
going over the same parenting topics over and over.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,
we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we
thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,
if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,
and let's all make like we're doing something important for
our families. Each Wednesday we bring you our thoughts on
a newer entertainment property. And for this week of September first,
(00:45):
we are continuing with the Guilded Age with season three,
episode seven, ex Communicated. It starts with the reveal that
Ward McAllister, which is the Nathan Lane character, has written
this book and he really seems to think that everyone's
(01:11):
going to be cool with it, and.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
They love him. I made them what they are today.
They what a guy.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
The fact that they had a meeting and this meeting
was Ada, Agnes, Bertha russell A, Missus Fish and Missus
astor those five all in a.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Row together like picture that that was weird right there.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Yeah, And I listened to the official Gilded Age podcast,
which I don't always but I happened to listen to
the one from this episode, and they were interviewing Christine
Baranski and she was like, oh, I couldn't believe that,
Like there was no time for like, let's take a
step back and know, this is the first time Bertha
(01:59):
has ever been in their house.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Oh my gosh, that's right.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
In Ada and Agnes's house. And there was not any
commentary on it. It was just right into this meeting
about Ward McAllister and his scandalous, scandalous book. So I
thought that was a great point, like when that so
much fun to see, But we did not get that.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Their nieces potential mother in law if they can those
crazy kids can get this all straightened up.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Yes, yes, which there was a little bit more of
of that in this episode with Larry came back from
Arizona and you know, he's on a high because like
we're rich again.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
He gets the.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Family and the company, and then he gets this letter
from Marion that says like, no way, man, We're not
doing this. And ye, he's on this roller coaster. He
tries to talk Mary out of it. She won't listen.
But then she hears from Jack an impartial source, yes,
(03:09):
that Larry didn't actually do anything untoward at the disorderly
house or.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
The And also it probably helps that she had Ada,
in her very sweet way, sort of smack her upside
the head. Being alone for the rest of your life
is not a good thing.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Girl, This is not what you want.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Do not insult me by thinking I had a wonderful,
care free life.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Right, So that was good.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
That was something that she needed to hear, And it
hadn't occurred to me until Marian was saying that that
Ada was the one to tell her, you know, go
find yourself a man.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Think. So let's think this through a little bit.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
More exactly.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
This. I can tell you exactly what's standing on your principles,
and you know, being hard person about this is going
to get you nowhere good.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
And also, Larry is just exceptionally cute, isn't he. It's
just exceptionally cute. Look at that boy. How can you
be so mean?
Speaker 2 (04:19):
But he is kind of a dufist, he is.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Well, that adds to his cuteness, does it not?
Speaker 2 (04:27):
I suppose I don't know, yes, but.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
You will Jack finally why she should have asked Jack earlier?
Speaker 3 (04:36):
But uh.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Yeah, I'm not sure if she next word is unimpeachable,
So yes, yes, So just the fact that he Jack
is now like buying a house, a fully furnished house,
and he's supposed to know what to do with it.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Yep, He's going to have to get right. And how
weird is that.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Going to be?
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Right?
Speaker 1 (04:58):
He'll be having strip you know, critical eye on those footmen.
That's yeah, wouldn't want to be his footman when I
was footman.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Maybe he'll hire Hill, Maybe he'll hire a Bridget, the
cute housemaid from from Over.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
I don't know what I'm reading on social media. There's
people saying he should marry Bridget, which would be fine,
but then she must also go through them.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
I'm sure she's adjustment.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
She's got got nice dress, is picked out, so yeah, yeah,
what a what I mean? I suppose this sort of
thing happened, that one's fortunes got raised precipitously as they
were dashed. Precipitously as well. But uh wow, right, that's
well quite the transition.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
This was also covered on the podcast and the because
there's a history guy who's on that podcast, and he said,
you know, we definitely we think about this whole like
rags to riches stuff and like, you know, the American
dream blah blah blah. He's like, I couldn't find any examples,
(06:07):
any record of somebody who was in service, you know,
someone who was a maid or a footman or whatever,
you know, raising their fortunes in this way because they
were expected to just be fully devoted to.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Their right to their work as supposed to be messing
with clocks, you know. So I thought that was that
was pretty interesting. So yeah, that is well, I wish
I wish him. Well, it's like a nice house. Glad
he had, Glad Mary and helped him. Glad somebody's helping him.
He tell this boy what to do. Oh my goodness.
(06:48):
Not the marry is you know, replete with life experience.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
But still right, yes, so yeah, I mean a lot
went on. As in contrast to yesterday's discussion of Lost,
where it was completely useless, there was so much that
happened here I mean, we had the whole thing with
(07:15):
Peggy where we see her getting closer and closer with
doctor Kirkland, and then, as we knew it would, the
news that the gossip about her previous marriage and her
child makes its way to his mother.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Of course, yes, he could not be happy.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
That's and she yeah. She basically is like, excuse me,
I have to catch a train she's doing.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
She hot footed it out of her living room in
Newport or wherever she was to deliver this news immediately.
But this is a this is a to his credit,
doctor Kirkland, yes, just says I need to hear it
from Peggy. He does, right, just be like, what you know,
(08:06):
thanks for telling me.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Mom, because he knows Peggy a little bit, and b
he knows his mother a lot, so he's not just
going to be taking her word for it and saying,
oh well, yes, of course I'll do exactly what you say. Mom.
You must be right, yeah, no, I'll give you that satisfaction.
Absolutely no. But parenting tip wise, this does. Now in
(08:32):
the case of the doctor's mom, we are against her,
we don't care for her, we think she's kind of awful. Yes,
And in the case of Bertha. We've come over this
time to sort of be on her side even as
she manipulates people and does things. But we're gonna have
some hard times here for mothers who think they're doing
(08:53):
the right thing for their family. They're only thinking about
their family. They just want their family to be in
a good position and not hook to somebody who's not
right for them and all this. They're just doing it
for their family. You're going down, ladies. You know, nobody cares.
You will be smacked down, probably by your family. It
(09:14):
doesn't matter if you really are just all on the
up and up or if you're getting a little satisfaction
on the side. It doesn't matter. You will be smacked down.
And I'm a little uncomfortable feeling gleeful about it.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Could I be a cues.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Sometimes have using my family as ponser, you know, coming
up with an idea in my head and making everybody
do it. No certain.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Could I tell my child something to make them not
do with it.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
I don't want them to do only with the purest
of intentions. So you know, we are heading for smackdowns
all around here in the final episode.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
And and.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
As much as I will be saying yes, yes, that
terrible mother of the doctor. Oh she's so awful. And yes, Bertha,
you know what, you made your daughter marry somebody and
she didn't want to and all this and all that.
As much as they may superficially deserve it, I'm gonna
feel a little uncomfortable about them getting what's right them right.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Well, I think Gladys has come around, you know she has.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
And I was thinking the other day, not only did
she think Billy Carleton was a super du duper great
match for herself, she at one time thought Oscar van
Ryan was a super duduper great match for herself. So
taking this girl and saying no, I will choose sweetie
not necessarily a bad idea. I'm just saying, right exactly, Hm,
(10:50):
possibly not the best and smartest taste in men, has Gladys.
So she and the Duke seem to be just see,
this is what's going to be. The really sad thing
is that all of birth plans are going to end
in happiness and she's still going to get smacked down. Mamas,
you can't win, We'll.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
See, or she's going to lose her husband because someone
came into his office with a gun.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
So Yes, is the second Is this gonna be the
second episode in a row where somebody gets abruptly canceled?
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Well, but we have to think. I think I have
to think that George uh found a way to survive this, because.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
I would think so too. You know, Morgan Spector is
a bigger part of the cast than the dude who
played John.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yes, and you know, we still have to have a
ball in Newport, and we're not going to have that
if he's dead.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
So that's true, that's true.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
I don't think the rest of the socialites would dance
and Bertha would just have to we're black and sit
in the corner. Nobody likes George that much.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Yeah, I like George.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Yeah, I like George too. He's he's stressed right now.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
But I like George best when he and Bertha are
a team. Yes, And I still feel, as I said
in a previous episode, that he's turning against Bertha at
a time where she hasn't really done anything all that wrong,
as opposed to other times when he could have had
more of a reason for it. Everything worked out just
(12:29):
you know, take the wind man.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
But as Bertha is trying to say, she's like, but
I went, I remember I was on a boat. I
was gone for like three weeks, and you know, Gladys
it's fine.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Now, yes, and the you know, the company is saved
and uh yeah gotta.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Because Larry also is like, you know, still mad at her, So.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
What did she do to him?
Speaker 2 (13:03):
She's at he's mad about Gladys still, and also he's like,
you were probably the one that put Marian up to.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Which he soon.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Finds that is not the case. Needs to be mad
who did it accidentally?
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Yeah, yeh.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Dummy.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
But oh that's also a lot of wold where Oscar. Yeah,
that well, that was the whole scene where he he
kind of broke down in front of all the ladies, Aida,
Agnus and Marian, just you know, all but confessing the
(13:48):
relationship he had with John Q.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Adams. So that was that was, yeah, a big thing.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
And uh then we had Mary and being like, well
I don't understand, but I'm.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Yeah, yeah, kind of got him out of there before
the scene concluded. The way it looked like it was going.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Right right, but yeah, and you wonder like, okay that
did Data and Agnes just kind of look at each
other and go, okay, well, good night to you in
the morning, you know, like, we're not gonna talk about
this anymore.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Yeah, yeah, less said the better.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Yeah. One other parenting tips can.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
We get well, I think we can say. And this
is both something to remember as a parent and something
to teach your child. The gossip never pays, even when
it does. McAllister Andre and both got cash for their gossip.
And right the doctor's mother thinks she's going to get
(15:01):
her way from the gossip. But you know, nah, yeah,
it doesn't work out right, best not to go there. Yes,
Andre was the maid, yes, who turned out to be
the one getting forty dollars for each item she got
she sold. But you know, I think twice, Yeah, before
(15:23):
making fun of people, or telling people's secrets or selling
people's secrets, think about it. It's probably not going to
work out well in the end. Fun during the process,
but not going to work out well in the end.
If Allister made enough on his books, he can just
go find by himself a big house somewhere. And you know, yeah,
(15:47):
but he was part of the society he feels he created. Truly,
that speech to missus Astor was not going to get
you in.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Yeah, that was just to Lulu over there.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
You know, you know nothing, and I made you remember?
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Yeah, remember how your husband just all he wanted to
do was hang out on his yacht with showgirls. Oops,
that was not the direction to take that.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Yeah, he's.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Been a smart guy, but that seems to have seems
to Yeah, just so well right.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Now, just the way he was like, how could you know?
Why would anyone care if I called them cheap? And
whatever else he did?
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah didn't pay. No, it did not, did not.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
It may he may have made some good money from
the books, but it didn't pay socially. It's going to
be unpopular for a very long time.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Yeah, And I feel like for him that that is
a greater cost almost then, you know, than what he
It's not offset by by what he would have made
from the book.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
I wonder do we live in a time now where
he could have gotten away with that. People just be
jazzed to be in a book and considered me, yeah,
or would he still go down?
Speaker 3 (17:13):
He might still go down. I would not get invited
to the parties.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
He might It might kind of depend on the person
that I did see the comparison mage and not a book,
but still, yeah, I did see the comparison made to
Truman Capoti and he wrote about all of the the socialites,
and I had the same like what you know, the same.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Reaction like what do you mean you're mad at me?
What do you mean you'll never speak to me again? Like, yeah,
I thought we were friends, Like yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Did we until you turned you know, until you yapped
this all over town.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
So particular brand of obliviousness.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Yeah, yeah, by people who seem smart enough to understand, right,
and then don't don't be that person. Parenting tip It
may be fun writing on your blog about all the
moms at the school, but then when you don't get
you know, when you're getting the cold shoulder and the
pickup line, it's not.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Going to be worth it, right right yourself?
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Yep?
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Yes, Parenting tip wise along the same lines, watch out
who you make enemies of, I mean beyond McAllister Clay
certainly made an enemy of George, and George I guess
made an enemy of Clay if Clay is the one
who is behind the shooting, as one imagines, he might
be right, And yeah, stuff gets real really fast. You know,
(18:49):
you may like be defending your child and create an
enemy of somebody that you will later wish you had not.
It's best to try to moderate and modulate your approach
so that you don't completely humiliate the guy in a meeting,
(19:10):
or you know, completely give everybody secrets away, or.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
It's very tempting.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Go all out sure in a school meeting, but you
don't want to like tell the teacher exactly what her
because then your kid is still going to be in
that class for another six months and that will be unfortunate.
So yeah, be careful, just bring the little spider. No,
it's wrong show.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
So just have you know, a friend, have a friend
that you can you know, talk to about this stuff
instead of directing at the person, instead of blowing it
out to the whole world.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Yeah, yeah, tell your friend and then have your friend
sell you tell you let's you know, not right now.
So yeah, just just you've told me, you've got it
out of your system. Let's just let's just let it
lie here for a little while. Yeah, let's bury it alive.
Let's put it on a train out to Arizona. Let's
(20:21):
bury it in a copper mine.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
What what.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
A unimaginable stroke of luck that there happened to be
a huge and lucrative, lucrative copper mine. Yeah, right there,
right there they claim missed. Yeah, how could that be hope?
Speaker 3 (20:44):
That's hope, it's hope.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Larry's guy is on the up and up.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
I know, right.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
I kept waiting for that to be like, oh no,
this was all but he's like working for the people
who are selling the mind to get the price up.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Oh well that will be for another season though. Yeah.
Next week we have the ball. There's gonna be a ball, Katherine. Yes,
next Wednesday balls.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
There's going to be Bertha's ball, and there's going to
be the ball that uh.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Oh yeah, that that Peggy is invited to.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Yes, So next Wednesday we will finish up season three
with episode eight. It is called My Mind Is Made Up.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Oh, I want to know whose.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Mind is made up and what did they decide?
Speaker 1 (21:36):
I would guess that in the tradition of this show,
there are multiple minds made up.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Yes, exactly.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Possibly only one person will say those words, but other
people will be making their minds up and it's good
for them. Yep, as long as they're making their minds
up in a way that I approve. Otherwise keep it open.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Yes, well, we'll see We will be back with that
next week, and then we'll see you tomorrow for our
weekly Roundabout roundup.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
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