September 10, 2025 • 25 mins
Every Wednesday, we share our thoughts on a newer entertainment property, and currently, that's The Gilded Age. The season wrapped up with a plot-packed episode: Emergency, anesthetic-free surgery; two balls; a marriage proposal; a pregnancy reveal; and two Russell men tanking their relationships for questionable reasons. Mentioned: "It's Quiet Uptown" from Hamilton.
Next Wednesday, we'll return to another of our Manhattan-based faves. Only Murders in the Building returns for season 5! We'll watch the first three episodes (thereafter, we'll watch one a week). We'll be back tomorrow with our weekly roundup.
This episode was recorded in front of a live audience ... of dogs.
Next Wednesday, we'll return to another of our Manhattan-based faves. Only Murders in the Building returns for season 5! We'll watch the first three episodes (thereafter, we'll watch one a week). We'll be back tomorrow with our weekly roundup.
This episode was recorded in front of a live audience ... of dogs.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and
I'm Catherine hileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't
help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as
our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested
in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm
going over the same parenting topics over and over.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,
we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we
thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,
if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,
and let's all make like we're doing something important for
our families. Each Wednesday we bring you our thoughts on
a newer entertainment property, And for this week of September eighth,
(00:46):
we are continuing with the Gilded Age, but not for
long because it's the Season three family. It's called My
Mind Is Made Up? And I actually don't remember who
said that?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
When I don't either, Is it possible nobody said that?
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Yeah? I feel like I was listening for it.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I mean, it could have been waiting for George to
say it, but I don't think he did.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Right, I was waiting for him to say it at
the end when he was like, Bertha, I can't right now,
and or missus astor about like my mind is made
up about divorced people. They are they are not to
be included.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Right, or I don't know, mind's made up. But yeah,
I don't know that anybody actually said those words, right.
Wouldn't that be embarrassing if they actually accidentally cut that
for time and right and they're shooting the thing after it.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah, Well, so, as you would imagine, since it was
a season finale, a lot a lot happened. Yeah, we
started with emergency surgery. Wow on like the dining room table,
maybe just the table and the front hall. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
But he's shot, he could die. Let's put him in
a buppy carriage and take him to his house.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yeah, let's take him forty blocks north to his house.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
But mad sure, it's really stunk. Then it's a good
thing they did.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Because doctor Kirkland, Peggy's doctor Kirkland was at her house
about to confront her about what he learned. Didn't get
a chance because Banister was like, hey, guys, we got
a doctor right here. So and of course Bertha in
the moment is like, I do not care if he's black, blue, purple,
(02:40):
bring it over right now. Yes, which was a good thing,
which is we like about Bertha. Yes, and it worked
because he saved Georgie's life by removing the bullet from
his body with.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
No anesthetic.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
While Marian stood there and just held George. She like
applied pressure to the wound or something. Yes, yeah, she
was covered in blood. It's all I can It's all
I can say. And yeah, the various staff members like
everybody hold down a limb basically so that he doesn't
(03:21):
just go flying because he's going to be a lot
of pays. Yes, this was that was very dramatic. And
when the white doctor finally shows up, like hours later,
he is forced to admit that doctor.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
A second and then he realizes and like done, sorry,
which is good. I liked that the white that the
white doctor realized and gave respect where it was due,
and that George later on acknowledged that if it had
gone wrong, yeah, doctor Kirkland's career and possibly life.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
And George did acknowledge, Uh, doctor Kirkland with a financial.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Contribution, the money that you don't have to care what
your mother says about your wife, yeah, or basically anything
ever yees. Yeah, that was good for good for George.
I mean, I'm glad he survived and everything that it
was all very dramatic, but I don't get his attitude
(04:45):
mm hmmm. And I had hoped that his injury and
recovery would bring him to his senses, but it seems
to have gone the other way, right, And I don't
it's we were in the same place last season at
the end of the last episode, when Bertha had engineered
(05:07):
Gladys's had promised more or less promised Gladys to the
Duke to get into the opera, and George could tell
that's what it happened. That's when we were all thinking,
oh my gosh, this is gonna I don't want this
next season to come because I don't want to break
up their relationship. I like that so much. And now
we're ending again in sort of the same place, and
(05:28):
yet she this is Maybe this is a parenting tip moms.
You can't win. You don't even try. You know, you'll
orchestrate things to make people happy and it works, and
it doesn't matter because you'll still be in trouble for
orchestrating stuff. You know, everything she did came out perfect
(05:49):
and good. I mean, she gave the ball, which you
could say, oh, it's all about her ego giving the ball,
but she welcomed in people who had been shun by society.
It worked out really well. It was good for everybody.
And yet still her husband's like, nah, right, I just
can't bear what you're doing, which is like, are we
one hundred percent sure, mister Russell that if the train
(06:11):
guys had said, well, okay, you can buy our railroad
as long as you let our son marry your daughter,
that Georgie would not have said absolutely, So mister high horse,
possibly you want to get off. I just I'm so
mad that he's being so snoddy. Well just especially weren't
(06:35):
that great Shenant You love the house? Do soon to
find out? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Yeah, I mean his whole thing is like, oh, we're
both ambitious, that's what we share. But then he's like,
but my kind of ambition is the good kind and
yours is the bad kind, Like where how do you?
Speaker 1 (06:54):
I mean, her ambition gave him the opportunity to show
that he had been unharmed if she hadn't had the
big ball. If she hadn't gotten the big ball, he
would not have had that opportunity. So she helped his business.
But he's not going to look at it that way, right.
I just liked them so much as a couple, and
it ticks me off when he's like, you love it, right,
(07:19):
they're the same.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Agreed, And then you got Larry.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Who crazy kids.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
He won't admit that what he did was kind of crappy. Yeah,
And I don't know, Marian, like, maybe just cut your
losses like they're trying to make it be like, oh,
they'll get there eventually.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
But yeah, but she also can't just keep having I
mean she did. I think she did overreact, Yeah, kind
of a ridiculous degree. And so he is entitled to
feel a little ticked by that, right, But at the
same time, all right, you've both admitted you're wrong. Get
(08:05):
over it. Yeah, but I think they will. But the
other little uh, well, it's not quite an engagement yet,
but it will be, will it not? With Oscar and
the former trade absolutely delightful, And I had forgotten that
they had been in cahoots back when he was trying
(08:26):
to marry Gladys. Yes, it is just perfect, but it's
going to mean that Bertha's son is going to be
married to the cousin of Turner's husband, and they're just
going to bump up together in social situations.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
All the time, right, which is great for us the audience.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Just I mean, it never would have occurred to me
that this was the perfect answer to all of Oscars,
To any problem Oscar might have, would be to marry
the rich widow who knows who he is and he
knows who she is, and they could both kind of
be themselves. And what a lovely arrangement.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
We each have a house in the country.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Perfect, And either way I can get out together without announcement,
without warning.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Yeah, and this way I can get out of my
mother's house.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Yes, finally, yeah, yeah, what a lovely business room that
would be. And the Turners like, you know, you got
you got a great point.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
There, especially since she had just confessed it was so
nice talking to him because he knew about her background
and she didn't have to pretend, so there, uh, and
presumably she knows about his background and doesn't it won't
have to pretend either, so lovely, What a brilliant move.
And he also got her invited to the ball by
(09:54):
bartering up Marion. Yes, oh my god, a little society, a.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Little life saving went a long way for Bertha to
change her.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Yes about Marian, that's right, Yes, Marian did do heroic
service there. I'm not sure it was kind of it.
Oh here, could you just like hold this person's blood
in his body as as well as you can please
while I pull a metal object out of it from
(10:26):
his heart?
Speaker 2 (10:28):
I mean that's where it was.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Yeah, yeah, I yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
And then at the end, and then she has this
whole talk with Larry, and I get it. Larry's like
shaken up. His dad almost just died in front of
his eyes. But Marion was there too, and she's like, Okay,
well I'm gonna go. She's covered in blood. And he's like, oh,
I I'll, you know, walk you across the street. She says, no,
I'm fine, I know. He get up.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
He's gonna have church walker across the street.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Yeah, like he was.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
He wasn't offering to walk her across the street.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Get off your lazy butt and walk her yourself. What
are you doing?
Speaker 1 (11:07):
But of course, all of this outrighteous behavior pales in
comparison to the doctor's mother, who is just awful, and
it's never gonna stop being awful because she feels she's righteous.
Even when her preacher husband smacks her down, she's still yes.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
And this is like you always enjoy a good Julian Fellows.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Yes when it comes, but you know, she still thinks
she's right. So it's like, oh, Peggy, so happy for you, honey.
He's so handsome, he's such a nice guy. You know
you're gonna have to be with his mother a fair
amount of time. Could you like get him a job
someplace else? Possibly?
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Yeah, take that big check that George gave you and
set up shop in Boston, like maybe San Francisco. Look
up Michael Servius. He's over there. That's right, that's right.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
He can help you out. I can give you a job.
But but you know, I think instead of my mind
is made up. They could have called this episode What's
best for You, because that just kept coming up over
and over again. I just wanted to do what's best
for him. I just wanted to do what's best for her.
Everybody who was trying to do what's best for somebody
else got smacked down in this episode, so, you know,
(12:30):
and reaching back to Peggy's dad, who I'm sure was
doing what he thought was best for her by doing
this thing that now creates a little scandal. So you know,
what exactly are parents supposed to do? I ask parenting
tip wise, Yeah, don't care what your children do at all. Yeah,
(12:52):
go run in the street. What do I care? Yeah,
go ahead and marry that person who's gonna make you miserable. Well,
it's not my it's not my life, you go. We
all want what's best for our kids. We all try
to do what's best for our kids. I am. You know,
I could be a whole mini series of how I've
done things best for my kids and how those things
have worked out, and how many times I've been smacked
(13:13):
down for that very thing. So what what do we propose?
Peggy's dad should have let her just, you know, live
with this whoever this was, that she married and have
a child and just have a difficult life. And uh, well,
we like, what was wrong with that guy?
Speaker 4 (13:33):
Did we?
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Ever?
Speaker 1 (13:34):
I don't know. No, they were young, I guess, yeah,
I don't know. But and and Bertha should just let
Gladys marry Billy Carl Carlton that muld have gone great
or Oscar she could have married Oscar. That was I
think that was George squashed that one, but I'm sure,
(13:55):
but also best for her.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Also, this is what was done at that time. I mean,
people weren't out here marrying for love, at least in
the in the class that Georgian that Bertha wants to
be in, you know. I mean, I think it's implied
that those two did marry for love, but like all
(14:19):
these other.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
And look how that turned out, he's miserable. Now he's
gonna leave her. It's like parents, it's part of the
job description to want what's best for your child, and
it's very very difficult not to decide what that is
and orchestrate it and.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
To just determine what is the point where you like
hand it over.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Yeah yeah, but I mean Bertha's decision is looking pretty
good right now, right, And I don't know, I just
felt I felt bad for all the parents being made uh,
you know, disgraced for wanting what is best for their
(15:02):
child great, even except for the one who was whether
I lee, whether I agreed with them, or whether I
disagreed with them. I felt bad because I think in
all cases there was a genuine intention to do what
was best. I don't feel like the doctor's mother was. Oh,
I would like him to marry a society person that
would get any better invitations. Yeah, she was legitimately feeling
(15:26):
this is not the right girl for him. I don't
agree with her. I don't agree with a lot of them,
but still I sympathize with the impulse. Yeah, and I
don't know what to tell people as a parenting tip,
don't want what's best for your kid. You know, you
could say, work with your kid to decide what's best
(15:47):
for them, but they don't know. They don't know sometimes
what's best. Gladys doesn't know what's best for her.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Gladys didn't I think. I think doctor Kirk probably was
old enough to bigger was.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
And professional enough to decide. But yeah, you know, it's
hard to If you get something in your head, it's
hard to dislodge it. I don't know. I may have
made some bad judgments in my time. I'm just saying,
(16:20):
and we don't want you to well, I find you reprehensible.
I also a little bit sympathy right there, lady, and
I know that you will continue to make their lives
miserable in one way or another. So I don't think
she's gonna let it go. So even after our husband,
(16:41):
the Preacher, yelled at her.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Yeah, he finally grew a bit of a spine.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
But you know, if you think that something is best
for your kid, it's hard to let it go. Yeah, okay,
you can just do whatever the bleep you want. That's Yeah.
Sometimes it feels like moms can't win. This was a
real moms can't win episode. Even even missus Astor was
(17:10):
brought low by the need to love her child. You know, Oh, man,
I'm gonna have to go to that stupid ball with
the divorced people for my kid because I love her.
Yes I will, but man, I'm not gonna. I'm gonna
make her pay in small ways. Oh well, that was.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
A great reveal though. Yes, I know her cape and
her jewels.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
That was so weird, the way that the cape comes
off and you just see the jewels and I'm like, well,
that's very showy. That's got to be Missus Astor. But still,
it was like somebody got the idea for that shot
and said, I know, right, Yeah, moms can't win even
when they win. I mean, Bertha could not be more
on top and yet George has to a pill. Right.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Well, luckily there's another season, so that's true.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
That's true. Maybe we can get some acknowledgment. Here's another
here's a here's a good episode title for the next season.
Everybody makes mistakes. Just all hold hands and sing kumbay
awe and forgive one another. I kept thinking of this.
You know in Hamilton, what's the song It's quiet Uptown? Yeah,
(18:28):
where there's that moment where this sort of angelic choir
comes in and sings forgiveness. Can you imagine? I think
we need that. I think we need just a gentle
cloud of forgiveness to calm down over everybody and just
let it go.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
Right.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Will not happen. We'll probably be boring after that, But still,
I just everybody just take a step back and say,
you know what, maybe I was out of line? Right,
How hard would that be? Well, I need a little forgiveness.
They can get Hamilton to come in at the opera.
Now that would be the wrong time.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Yeah, he's gone at this point.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
And the musical has not come. So we should mention
that Jack had a visitor. Yes, the new dress she
was talking about.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
I was wondering, Oh, I don't know, it was very purple.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
I thought she said the new breast was dress was blue,
so maybe not. But anyway, that was very sweet and weird.
How weird it must be for him is just.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Yes, And she brings him some stew from missus Bauer
and he's gonna sit down and eat it, and he says, well,
you know, because join me, and she's like, oh, I
already ate. So then she ends up just sitting down
at the table and he's eating and she's got absolutely nothing, like.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Can you give the squirrel a glass of water at
least or a couple they maybe punk of bread something?
Is his help going to refuse to serve her because
she's somebody else's help. I don't know. Does he have
a footman? We never found out. If he has a footman,
he's taking care of him.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
But yeah, he says he has two girls that clean
and he has a sort of a housekeeper type.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
So Bridget is like, are they young girls? Only you?
And Agnes is going to be the vice president of
the New York Herritage Society. Oh yeah, I wonder if
that's like the vice president of the PTA, which basically
has no responsibilities but uh, but a position.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
She seemed very honored by it.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Did, which supplied me because I would think she would go,
oh right, but no, she was well and in this
please let ad sit at the head of.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
The day, right, I mean in this time, in our
time period, any job like that would definitely require monetary donation.
You know, you think, so you're on a board to
raise money. But you know, this lady claims that they
have plenty of money.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Yeah, that's usually the case with these Oh well, Oscar's
Oscar can give her some of that sweet sweet Winterton money. Yeah,
that is so funny. What a funny turn of events.
That's very enjoyable.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Oh well, I was thinking Oscar.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Yep, yes, he is.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
So so well overall this seasons, Yeah, I enjoyed quite
a bit.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
It was.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Yeah, I did too, And it was I spent a
whole the whole off season worrying about Bertha and Georgia,
and then they were fine up until the end.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Now you're gonna have to spend this season worrying about them.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Yeah, well, I.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Don't know that's coming.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Now that Bertha has cleverly made it okay for divorced
women to be in society.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Yeah, I didn't realize she was going to need it
for herself.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
As long as George sets her up nicely, then we're
it won't be such a disaster. But still, come on, man.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Yeah, well the other thing is that he might be
a little dependent on the laudanum, so that could, uh,
that could affect things.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
So they did pointedly show us the bottle.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Yeah, so maybe that's affecting his personality.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Yes, it's decision making. Yeah, we shall see.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
He's never been just a really you know, firm determined,
gonna do whatever I want kind of guy. Before, he's
usually asked her what she thinks in an event, so
so unlike him, just maybe he'll realize doing what he
wants to do.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
I think he's been drinking out of the load and
a bottle for quite some time.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
But well, we're sad to see it go. But next
Wednesday we are going to return to another of our Manhattan.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Based yeah favorite, a different New York building, a different time.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
A different time. It's only murders in the building.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Yeah, it is back season five with just shock a
block of guest stars. Of course, I've as too many
guest stars each season.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
They've just really.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
They've added more and more, and now it's just going
to be pretty much every apartment in the building will
be filled with a guest star and we will have
to go visit each one.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Yeah, which I'm not necessarily.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
I'm not, but it does make it. I still think
I need to go back and watch the first season
because I remember it as being much more about like
an actual twisty mystery and much less about look who
we got, right So, but you know, I like looking
at who they got, so it's just a different thing, right.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
So that'll be next Wednesday, and we'll see you tomorrow
for our weekly Roundabout roundup.
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Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and
I'm Catherine hileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't
help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as
our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested
in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm
going over the same parenting topics over and over.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,
we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we
thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,
if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,
and let's all make like we're doing something important for
our families. Each Wednesday we bring you our thoughts on
a newer entertainment property, And for this week of September eighth,
(00:46):
we are continuing with the Gilded Age, but not for
long because it's the Season three family. It's called My
Mind Is Made Up? And I actually don't remember who
said that?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
When I don't either, Is it possible nobody said that?
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Yeah? I feel like I was listening for it.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I mean, it could have been waiting for George to
say it, but I don't think he did.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Right, I was waiting for him to say it at
the end when he was like, Bertha, I can't right now,
and or missus astor about like my mind is made
up about divorced people. They are they are not to
be included.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Right, or I don't know, mind's made up. But yeah,
I don't know that anybody actually said those words, right.
Wouldn't that be embarrassing if they actually accidentally cut that
for time and right and they're shooting the thing after it.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah, Well, so, as you would imagine, since it was
a season finale, a lot a lot happened. Yeah, we
started with emergency surgery. Wow on like the dining room table,
maybe just the table and the front hall. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
But he's shot, he could die. Let's put him in
a buppy carriage and take him to his house.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yeah, let's take him forty blocks north to his house.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
But mad sure, it's really stunk. Then it's a good
thing they did.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Because doctor Kirkland, Peggy's doctor Kirkland was at her house
about to confront her about what he learned. Didn't get
a chance because Banister was like, hey, guys, we got
a doctor right here. So and of course Bertha in
the moment is like, I do not care if he's black, blue, purple,
(02:40):
bring it over right now. Yes, which was a good thing,
which is we like about Bertha. Yes, and it worked
because he saved Georgie's life by removing the bullet from
his body with.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
No anesthetic.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
While Marian stood there and just held George. She like
applied pressure to the wound or something. Yes, yeah, she
was covered in blood. It's all I can It's all
I can say. And yeah, the various staff members like
everybody hold down a limb basically so that he doesn't
(03:21):
just go flying because he's going to be a lot
of pays. Yes, this was that was very dramatic. And
when the white doctor finally shows up, like hours later,
he is forced to admit that doctor.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
A second and then he realizes and like done, sorry,
which is good. I liked that the white that the
white doctor realized and gave respect where it was due,
and that George later on acknowledged that if it had
gone wrong, yeah, doctor Kirkland's career and possibly life.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
And George did acknowledge, Uh, doctor Kirkland with a financial.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Contribution, the money that you don't have to care what
your mother says about your wife, yeah, or basically anything
ever yees. Yeah, that was good for good for George.
I mean, I'm glad he survived and everything that it
was all very dramatic, but I don't get his attitude
(04:45):
mm hmmm. And I had hoped that his injury and
recovery would bring him to his senses, but it seems
to have gone the other way, right, And I don't
it's we were in the same place last season at
the end of the last episode, when Bertha had engineered
(05:07):
Gladys's had promised more or less promised Gladys to the
Duke to get into the opera, and George could tell
that's what it happened. That's when we were all thinking,
oh my gosh, this is gonna I don't want this
next season to come because I don't want to break
up their relationship. I like that so much. And now
we're ending again in sort of the same place, and
(05:28):
yet she this is Maybe this is a parenting tip moms.
You can't win. You don't even try. You know, you'll
orchestrate things to make people happy and it works, and
it doesn't matter because you'll still be in trouble for
orchestrating stuff. You know, everything she did came out perfect
(05:49):
and good. I mean, she gave the ball, which you
could say, oh, it's all about her ego giving the ball,
but she welcomed in people who had been shun by society.
It worked out really well. It was good for everybody.
And yet still her husband's like, nah, right, I just
can't bear what you're doing, which is like, are we
one hundred percent sure, mister Russell that if the train
(06:11):
guys had said, well, okay, you can buy our railroad
as long as you let our son marry your daughter,
that Georgie would not have said absolutely, So mister high horse,
possibly you want to get off. I just I'm so
mad that he's being so snoddy. Well just especially weren't
(06:35):
that great Shenant You love the house? Do soon to
find out? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Yeah, I mean his whole thing is like, oh, we're
both ambitious, that's what we share. But then he's like,
but my kind of ambition is the good kind and
yours is the bad kind, Like where how do you?
Speaker 1 (06:54):
I mean, her ambition gave him the opportunity to show
that he had been unharmed if she hadn't had the
big ball. If she hadn't gotten the big ball, he
would not have had that opportunity. So she helped his business.
But he's not going to look at it that way, right.
I just liked them so much as a couple, and
it ticks me off when he's like, you love it, right,
(07:19):
they're the same.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Agreed, And then you got Larry.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Who crazy kids.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
He won't admit that what he did was kind of crappy. Yeah,
And I don't know, Marian, like, maybe just cut your
losses like they're trying to make it be like, oh,
they'll get there eventually.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
But yeah, but she also can't just keep having I
mean she did. I think she did overreact, Yeah, kind
of a ridiculous degree. And so he is entitled to
feel a little ticked by that, right, But at the
same time, all right, you've both admitted you're wrong. Get
(08:05):
over it. Yeah, but I think they will. But the
other little uh, well, it's not quite an engagement yet,
but it will be, will it not? With Oscar and
the former trade absolutely delightful, And I had forgotten that
they had been in cahoots back when he was trying
(08:26):
to marry Gladys. Yes, it is just perfect, but it's
going to mean that Bertha's son is going to be
married to the cousin of Turner's husband, and they're just
going to bump up together in social situations.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
All the time, right, which is great for us the audience.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Just I mean, it never would have occurred to me
that this was the perfect answer to all of Oscars,
To any problem Oscar might have, would be to marry
the rich widow who knows who he is and he
knows who she is, and they could both kind of
be themselves. And what a lovely arrangement.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
We each have a house in the country.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Perfect, And either way I can get out together without announcement,
without warning.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Yeah, and this way I can get out of my
mother's house.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Yes, finally, yeah, yeah, what a lovely business room that
would be. And the Turners like, you know, you got
you got a great point.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
There, especially since she had just confessed it was so
nice talking to him because he knew about her background
and she didn't have to pretend, so there, uh, and
presumably she knows about his background and doesn't it won't
have to pretend either, so lovely, What a brilliant move.
And he also got her invited to the ball by
(09:54):
bartering up Marion. Yes, oh my god, a little society, a.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Little life saving went a long way for Bertha to
change her.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Yes about Marian, that's right, Yes, Marian did do heroic
service there. I'm not sure it was kind of it.
Oh here, could you just like hold this person's blood
in his body as as well as you can please
while I pull a metal object out of it from
(10:26):
his heart?
Speaker 2 (10:28):
I mean that's where it was.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Yeah, yeah, I yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
And then at the end, and then she has this
whole talk with Larry, and I get it. Larry's like
shaken up. His dad almost just died in front of
his eyes. But Marion was there too, and she's like, Okay,
well I'm gonna go. She's covered in blood. And he's like, oh,
I I'll, you know, walk you across the street. She says, no,
I'm fine, I know. He get up.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
He's gonna have church walker across the street.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Yeah, like he was.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
He wasn't offering to walk her across the street.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Get off your lazy butt and walk her yourself. What
are you doing?
Speaker 1 (11:07):
But of course, all of this outrighteous behavior pales in
comparison to the doctor's mother, who is just awful, and
it's never gonna stop being awful because she feels she's righteous.
Even when her preacher husband smacks her down, she's still yes.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
And this is like you always enjoy a good Julian Fellows.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Yes when it comes, but you know, she still thinks
she's right. So it's like, oh, Peggy, so happy for you, honey.
He's so handsome, he's such a nice guy. You know
you're gonna have to be with his mother a fair
amount of time. Could you like get him a job
someplace else? Possibly?
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Yeah, take that big check that George gave you and
set up shop in Boston, like maybe San Francisco. Look
up Michael Servius. He's over there. That's right, that's right.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
He can help you out. I can give you a job.
But but you know, I think instead of my mind
is made up. They could have called this episode What's
best for You, because that just kept coming up over
and over again. I just wanted to do what's best
for him. I just wanted to do what's best for her.
Everybody who was trying to do what's best for somebody
else got smacked down in this episode, so, you know,
(12:30):
and reaching back to Peggy's dad, who I'm sure was
doing what he thought was best for her by doing
this thing that now creates a little scandal. So you know,
what exactly are parents supposed to do? I ask parenting
tip wise, Yeah, don't care what your children do at all. Yeah,
(12:52):
go run in the street. What do I care? Yeah,
go ahead and marry that person who's gonna make you miserable. Well,
it's not my it's not my life, you go. We
all want what's best for our kids. We all try
to do what's best for our kids. I am. You know,
I could be a whole mini series of how I've
done things best for my kids and how those things
have worked out, and how many times I've been smacked
(13:13):
down for that very thing. So what what do we propose?
Peggy's dad should have let her just, you know, live
with this whoever this was, that she married and have
a child and just have a difficult life. And uh, well,
we like, what was wrong with that guy?
Speaker 4 (13:33):
Did we?
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Ever?
Speaker 1 (13:34):
I don't know. No, they were young, I guess, yeah,
I don't know. But and and Bertha should just let
Gladys marry Billy Carl Carlton that muld have gone great
or Oscar she could have married Oscar. That was I
think that was George squashed that one, but I'm sure,
(13:55):
but also best for her.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Also, this is what was done at that time. I mean,
people weren't out here marrying for love, at least in
the in the class that Georgian that Bertha wants to
be in, you know. I mean, I think it's implied
that those two did marry for love, but like all
(14:19):
these other.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
And look how that turned out, he's miserable. Now he's
gonna leave her. It's like parents, it's part of the
job description to want what's best for your child, and
it's very very difficult not to decide what that is
and orchestrate it and.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
To just determine what is the point where you like
hand it over.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Yeah yeah, but I mean Bertha's decision is looking pretty
good right now, right, And I don't know, I just
felt I felt bad for all the parents being made uh,
you know, disgraced for wanting what is best for their
(15:02):
child great, even except for the one who was whether
I lee, whether I agreed with them, or whether I
disagreed with them. I felt bad because I think in
all cases there was a genuine intention to do what
was best. I don't feel like the doctor's mother was. Oh,
I would like him to marry a society person that
would get any better invitations. Yeah, she was legitimately feeling
(15:26):
this is not the right girl for him. I don't
agree with her. I don't agree with a lot of them,
but still I sympathize with the impulse. Yeah, and I
don't know what to tell people as a parenting tip,
don't want what's best for your kid. You know, you
could say, work with your kid to decide what's best
(15:47):
for them, but they don't know. They don't know sometimes
what's best. Gladys doesn't know what's best for her.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Gladys didn't I think. I think doctor Kirk probably was
old enough to bigger was.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
And professional enough to decide. But yeah, you know, it's
hard to If you get something in your head, it's
hard to dislodge it. I don't know. I may have
made some bad judgments in my time. I'm just saying,
(16:20):
and we don't want you to well, I find you reprehensible.
I also a little bit sympathy right there, lady, and
I know that you will continue to make their lives
miserable in one way or another. So I don't think
she's gonna let it go. So even after our husband,
(16:41):
the Preacher, yelled at her.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Yeah, he finally grew a bit of a spine.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
But you know, if you think that something is best
for your kid, it's hard to let it go. Yeah, okay,
you can just do whatever the bleep you want. That's Yeah.
Sometimes it feels like moms can't win. This was a
real moms can't win episode. Even even missus Astor was
(17:10):
brought low by the need to love her child. You know, Oh, man,
I'm gonna have to go to that stupid ball with
the divorced people for my kid because I love her.
Yes I will, but man, I'm not gonna. I'm gonna
make her pay in small ways. Oh well, that was.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
A great reveal though. Yes, I know her cape and
her jewels.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
That was so weird, the way that the cape comes
off and you just see the jewels and I'm like, well,
that's very showy. That's got to be Missus Astor. But still,
it was like somebody got the idea for that shot
and said, I know, right, Yeah, moms can't win even
when they win. I mean, Bertha could not be more
on top and yet George has to a pill. Right.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Well, luckily there's another season, so that's true.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
That's true. Maybe we can get some acknowledgment. Here's another
here's a here's a good episode title for the next season.
Everybody makes mistakes. Just all hold hands and sing kumbay
awe and forgive one another. I kept thinking of this.
You know in Hamilton, what's the song It's quiet Uptown? Yeah,
(18:28):
where there's that moment where this sort of angelic choir
comes in and sings forgiveness. Can you imagine? I think
we need that. I think we need just a gentle
cloud of forgiveness to calm down over everybody and just
let it go.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
Right.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Will not happen. We'll probably be boring after that, But still,
I just everybody just take a step back and say,
you know what, maybe I was out of line? Right,
How hard would that be? Well, I need a little forgiveness.
They can get Hamilton to come in at the opera.
Now that would be the wrong time.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Yeah, he's gone at this point.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
And the musical has not come. So we should mention
that Jack had a visitor. Yes, the new dress she
was talking about.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
I was wondering, Oh, I don't know, it was very purple.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
I thought she said the new breast was dress was blue,
so maybe not. But anyway, that was very sweet and weird.
How weird it must be for him is just.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Yes, And she brings him some stew from missus Bauer
and he's gonna sit down and eat it, and he says, well,
you know, because join me, and she's like, oh, I
already ate. So then she ends up just sitting down
at the table and he's eating and she's got absolutely nothing, like.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Can you give the squirrel a glass of water at
least or a couple they maybe punk of bread something?
Is his help going to refuse to serve her because
she's somebody else's help. I don't know. Does he have
a footman? We never found out. If he has a footman,
he's taking care of him.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
But yeah, he says he has two girls that clean
and he has a sort of a housekeeper type.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
So Bridget is like, are they young girls? Only you?
And Agnes is going to be the vice president of
the New York Herritage Society. Oh yeah, I wonder if
that's like the vice president of the PTA, which basically
has no responsibilities but uh, but a position.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
She seemed very honored by it.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Did, which supplied me because I would think she would go,
oh right, but no, she was well and in this
please let ad sit at the head of.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
The day, right, I mean in this time, in our
time period, any job like that would definitely require monetary donation.
You know, you think, so you're on a board to
raise money. But you know, this lady claims that they
have plenty of money.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Yeah, that's usually the case with these Oh well, Oscar's
Oscar can give her some of that sweet sweet Winterton money. Yeah,
that is so funny. What a funny turn of events.
That's very enjoyable.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Oh well, I was thinking Oscar.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Yep, yes, he is.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
So so well overall this seasons, Yeah, I enjoyed quite
a bit.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
It was.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Yeah, I did too, And it was I spent a
whole the whole off season worrying about Bertha and Georgia,
and then they were fine up until the end.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Now you're gonna have to spend this season worrying about them.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Yeah, well, I.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Don't know that's coming.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Now that Bertha has cleverly made it okay for divorced
women to be in society.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Yeah, I didn't realize she was going to need it
for herself.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
As long as George sets her up nicely, then we're
it won't be such a disaster. But still, come on, man.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Yeah, well the other thing is that he might be
a little dependent on the laudanum, so that could, uh,
that could affect things.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
So they did pointedly show us the bottle.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Yeah, so maybe that's affecting his personality.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Yes, it's decision making. Yeah, we shall see.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
He's never been just a really you know, firm determined,
gonna do whatever I want kind of guy. Before, he's
usually asked her what she thinks in an event, so
so unlike him, just maybe he'll realize doing what he
wants to do.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
I think he's been drinking out of the load and
a bottle for quite some time.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
But well, we're sad to see it go. But next
Wednesday we are going to return to another of our Manhattan.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Based yeah favorite, a different New York building, a different time.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
A different time. It's only murders in the building.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Yeah, it is back season five with just shock a
block of guest stars. Of course, I've as too many
guest stars each season.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
They've just really.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
They've added more and more, and now it's just going
to be pretty much every apartment in the building will
be filled with a guest star and we will have
to go visit each one.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Yeah, which I'm not necessarily.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
I'm not, but it does make it. I still think
I need to go back and watch the first season
because I remember it as being much more about like
an actual twisty mystery and much less about look who
we got, right So, but you know, I like looking
at who they got, so it's just a different thing, right.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
So that'll be next Wednesday, and we'll see you tomorrow
for our weekly Roundabout roundup.
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