September 11, 2025 • 24 mins
Here's what we're reading, recommending, and revisiting this week.
Catherine's library find is a new nonfiction release that sounds like a novel, with a cranky, quirky female protagonist solving crimes. It's The Feather Detective: Mystery, Mayhem, and the Magnificent Life of Roxie Laybourne by Chris Sweeney.
Terri's random recommendation is Dancing with the Stars season 34, which premieres on September 16. Every season, she decides whether or not to tune in based on who the "stars" are, and she's interested in a few this time. We won't be covering all the episodes here on the podcast as we have in the past, but check our social media for quick reactions.
In the archives, we checked in on an episode from 2020 on what happens when Mama Bear comes out of hibernation.
Next week's lineup:
This episode was recorded in front of a live audience ... of dogs.
Catherine's library find is a new nonfiction release that sounds like a novel, with a cranky, quirky female protagonist solving crimes. It's The Feather Detective: Mystery, Mayhem, and the Magnificent Life of Roxie Laybourne by Chris Sweeney.
Terri's random recommendation is Dancing with the Stars season 34, which premieres on September 16. Every season, she decides whether or not to tune in based on who the "stars" are, and she's interested in a few this time. We won't be covering all the episodes here on the podcast as we have in the past, but check our social media for quick reactions.
In the archives, we checked in on an episode from 2020 on what happens when Mama Bear comes out of hibernation.
Next week's lineup:
- Lost S3 E16, "One of Us," on Tuesday, September 16
- Only Murders in the Building S5 E1 on Wednesday, September 17
- Weekly roundup on Thursday, September 18
This episode was recorded in front of a live audience ... of dogs.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
And I'm Catherine hileco.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Every Thursday, we're bringing you a library find, a pick
from our archives, and a parenting or pop culture tidbit
or two. Let's start with Catherine's library find of the Week.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
I think this week's library find is going to be
right up your alley. I know I'm planning to try
to read it. It is called The Feather Detective, Mystery
Mayhem and the Magnificent Life of Roxy Layborne, who is
described as a forensic ornithologist.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Of course, of course, I mean next season, only murders
in the building.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
How cool is that? Her name was Roxy Layborne, a
diminutive but singular woman with thick glasses, a heavy Caroline
crow and a passion for birds. She became the world's
first dogs like birds.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
There's birds here, words where where?
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Let me see? She investigated a range of crimes and
calamities on behalf of the FBI, the Air Force, and
even NASA.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Oh my, I mean, I gotta think think any any
bird calamity involving an airline was probably pretty bad for
the bird. Well, I guess it could be like the
crash on the Hudson then it was supposedly.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Yeah, it says that that's kind of what started. It
was in nineteen sixty an Eastern Airlines flight that struck
a flock of birds and fell into the Boston Harbor
and killed people.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
They sent her the birds and ask her why this happened.
So yeah, So I think it sounds fast. Yeah, I'm
you know, I'm not the biggest nonfiction person, but this
sure sounds like a novel. Yeah, it does fun so yeah.
(02:12):
Forensic ornithologist.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
So that's a very specific specialty, right, yep.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
She broke down barriers for women, solved murders, and investigated
deadly airplane crashes with nothing more than a microscope and
a few fragments of feathers.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
I want to know about the murders that involved birds.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Well, I think you're gonna do you, like.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Like make the birds swallow little explosives and then flew
them in somebody's window or what. I don't know how
were birds? Yeah, okay, well I'll have to look that up.
I wonder who if anybody interesting reads it? Oh yeah,
god do a good Carolina accent.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Good question. It also says that she was once divorced,
once widowed and sometimes surly.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
This is so weird. I'm just looking on Audible. I
just bring up the screen where I can search. And
the book that they're showing me is we should all
be birds.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
How do you know we're talking about birds?
Speaker 1 (03:12):
How do you know this? Oh my, I have to
write bird book. But it's a bird book that is
as heck? So I don't have Siri turned on. How
did it know we were talking about birds? Oh? My goodness.
When stuff happened like that happens, it just it's very disturbing. Right.
Feather Detective by Chris Sweeney. Let's see who reads it? Goodbye?
(03:41):
Letters that are too small for me to say. Oh wait,
narrated by by Sierra Prasada. Well, I don't know that person,
but that's an impressive name. Yes, but can she do
a South Carolina accent here? She's Siera to work anyway,
it sounds interesting. I'll have tound it does?
Speaker 2 (04:04):
I'm fine?
Speaker 1 (04:06):
And why how has there not been a uh of
cable series made of this?
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Right? Well, maybe now that there's a book to yeah
base it on, right, they'll go there.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
I can I can see that absolutely, you know what
we need we need we need the bird expert. Bring
in the bird expert. Yes, the other detectives will be
going like a bird expert. She said, she'll solve the
murder excellent. Well. Speaking of TV shows involving feathers, Dancing
(04:44):
with the Stars, season thirty four is coming up, and
we are not going to be talking about it on
the podcast because we have other things only murders in
the building. And because you know you used to be
they put this stupid thing on Mondays and Tuesdays and
we would say, that's okay. We will stay up late
(05:06):
and record some podcasts and put it out the next
day so that it's fresh. That's fine, we can do that.
We can't do that anymore, y'all. Time is past. We're done.
We're done with the last minute recording and publishing for
like five people to listen to. So we will periodically
make mention of it on this podcast. We will. I'll
(05:28):
talk about the cast a little bit right now at
the end. We'll do a little recap, but we don't
think that you want to hear on Thursday about the
one a week and a half ago. So and the
cast cast could be good and could be there's a
lot of who who right, And there's a lot of
who cares uh, And there's a few people that I'm
(05:51):
interested in, but not necessarily because I think it will
be fun to watch the dance. They have exhumed Corey
Feldman from someplace? Is that possible? But let's see, I'm
reading here off of ABC News who the cast will be.
If you haven't heard yet, here's you know, when it
came out a week and a half ago. When you're
listening to this Jen Affleck no relation to ben Mormon.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Housewife right something like that.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Yes, she is from the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives.
Hilaria Baldwin wife is allegedly an author and a yoga instructor,
podcaster and author, well a podcaster. How do we get
that gig? You were on that show? Sasha would be
(06:38):
on this season? He's not on this season?
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Why there?
Speaker 1 (06:41):
They brought someone of Taylor Swift's backup dancers on to
be Sadie's partner, but they couldn't find a place for
Sasha Boo. He's being very very okay about it on
social media. But Jordan Chiles gymnast, Yeah, it would be
with Ezra. Should be cute. Baron Davis a basketball player. Yep, Yes,
(07:02):
time NBA All Star. It's going to there with newlywed
Britt And if you haven't looked up all the pictures
of Britt and Daniel's wedding her partner from a a
little while ago, go on to Instagram and search them up.
It's very cute, yea very cut and all lots and
lots of pros there. I love the whole thing that
these pros seem to have a whole social life together
(07:23):
outside of the show. Yes, showing up at each other's
weddings and parties and shower showers at all. Alex Earl
Alex with an I who is an online influencer.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Yeah. I think she has a big podcast.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Hot mess podcast. Well, our podcast is a hot mess happening.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Yeah, why aren't we on this show.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Dylan Epron, brother of Zach and somebody that you saw
on The Traders.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
He was on the Traders and he was like secret
breakout of the Traders like he he ever. I was like,
who are you like? What Zach Efron's brother? Is that
what we're doing now? But he actually turned out to
be good at the game and fun to watch.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
And because apparently he feels the need to be serious
and differentiate himself from his bro It also says Dylan
Efron is a former competitive athlete and iron Man All
World athlete, where he ranked in the top two percent
of all competitors in his age group. And good for you, buddy, good.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
For you doesn't necessarily translate to dancing.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Okay, Well, he's got Daniella, so he's got a shot. Yes.
Corey Feldman, Corey Feldman, Oh my goodness, man.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Musician and actor Corey Feldman.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Glad you're still alive. I guess it is about all
I can say. But he could be a hoot, or
he could be the opposite whatever, the opposite of family.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Yeah. Well, we've seen some people who were like, I
do not want.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
It would be like first to go home because everybody's like, oh,
keep my childhood memois intact. Please. Also, Danielle Fischel to Panga, Panga,
how is it possible to Panga has not been on
Dancing with the Stars before. I could have sworn she
was on it before, but I guess that was Candice Cameron.
But oh, okay, okay, you go girl. She could be
(09:23):
a lot of fun. She's with Pasha that's that sounds
like I'll keep my eye on that pairing. And Elaine Hendrix,
who was the evil Meredith Blake in The Parent Trap.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Oh, that's who that is.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Yes, I have not seen her since.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
I assume the Lindsay Lowhand Parent Trap.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Yes, the Linda Nine fans of the nineteen ninety eight
remake The Parent Trap will recognize Elaine Hendricks as the
actress who played Meredith Blake. Yes, I do I recognize you, babe.
I haven't seen you much since. But good for you.
You're on Dancing with the Stars with Alan. You have
a good time.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Florence Henderson. Maureen McCormick.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Yeah, yeah, she's no longer the young the young thing,
but you know what, good for you getting the gig, babe.
Scott Hoying, who is the He's from Pentatonics, a group
I have heard the name of multiple times. I'm not
sure i've listened to them ever.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
I bet you've heard.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Probably it's like a cappella. He's with Riley, which seems
odd but okay. Yeah, Robert Irwin, who I would have
put with Riley, but I imagine Whitney Carson said nope,
mine give me Yeah. So his sister won how will
he do? Good luck to him. He's been promoting this
(10:49):
thing relentlessly since now for quite some time. He was
like the first person in now was ever since. So
you know, family, dine, see you go. Lauren Jerugui, that
is undoubtedly wrong. She's a singer best known for being
part of the girl group Fifth Harmony. Yeah, all right.
(11:12):
Whitney Levitt, who is another Mormon wife. Yeah, and too,
Mark Ballas and his hair and his tattoos.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
And finally the one that cracked me up the most, honestly,
because where the heck did this come from? Andy Richter.
Andy Richter, former Conan's sidekick Andy Richter, is on Dancing
with the Stars with Emma, which is I don't expect
him to last, but while he's there, I'm going to
(11:41):
enjoy the completely ridiculous fact that he is there. Good
for you man, good for your agent. So that is
who we will be seeing dancing a few there that
I will tune in for a bunch that I'm gonna go. Yeah,
when is the next person up?
Speaker 2 (11:57):
So who do we think is potentially an actually good dancer?
Jordan the Gymnast.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Well, given the number of Mormons who are pros in
dancing the star and so you think you can dance.
There seems to be a ground swell of dancing, so
I'm thinking the two wives probably got a little bit. Okay,
I don't think that they're going to come out there
and go one, two, three, four, and other than that,
(12:26):
I probably the Irwin kid is going to be adorable
and get a lot of.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
And maybe Dylan if he's such an athlete.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
But you know, yeah, could be. I mean, was the trade?
Did a lot of people watch the Traders? I heard
of it that I didn't watch it.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Yeah, I think a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Okay, yeah he's I mean, he could be. I have
never heard of him, and he looks perfectly bland and handsome.
So if he has some personality, that's the unknown factor
with all of these, right, is not any really what
we've seen on this show is being able to dance
is important, but it's not the only thing, see Bobby Bones.
(13:08):
Of how you play the game and your personality, both
those things are really important. So that is we do
not know yet, right, But I don't know.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
And some of these pros have a lot of experience
with yes, you know, working with somebody who doesn't necessarily dance,
but also helping them do the social media right.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Anybody who doesn't teach their their star to play the
game is gonna go down, So I wish them all. Well, yeah,
it's very sparkly.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Yes, So that premieres on Tuesday, the sixteenth of September.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Okay, so we will be possibly.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
We'll be dipping in once in a while, maybe if
something happens.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Yes, And maybe I may try to do some little
headliners where you can just upload a piece of audio
very easily. So maybe I'll do a little little recap
or something and put those up on our timeline. But
I don't think that we are in the We are
in a mental space at the moment where we can
(14:21):
watch it, record, publish, do graphics, do social media, all
that stuff. It's not that important really, So we'll improvise
a little bit. We'll make up our own steps this time.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
There you go, perfect love that.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
So what do we have from the archives this week?
Speaker 2 (14:44):
And the archives we're going to go back to twenty
twenty for an episode we called when Mama Bear Comes
out of Hibernation. And you know, we could probably tie
this to the Gilded Age a bit. We had said
at that time, and of course it's still true today
that our kids are older and we do want to
(15:07):
encourage them to fight their own battles, but sometimes we
feel they might need a little help, and we have
so much experience and practice, so we might we might
need to step in. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Yeah, my Bama Bear comes out all the time. I
recently I started I had an idea. I think I
talked about that I had gotten this like online typing
program that was like a typewriter, like an old fashioned
black screen with green type thing. I was using it
to just make myself right, and I started something that
(15:45):
was about a woman who, in advocating for her children
in special education, gets so intense that she actually turns
into a bear. And like most.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
I got a great first page and then I just
wasn't able to get past it because I got to
figure out, do I really want to write a book
where she kills people right that she just dreams that
she does or something. But the first page is pretty fun.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
I go back and read it every now and then go, dang,
I should with this. Yeah, you know, it's like everybody knows,
don't miss with Mama Bear.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
You know, the principle is missing.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Muhu, the principle is missing. Well, this is like the
the book that I had as a library find a
long time ago, and then I actually read it, and
then I talked about it. It's called cutting teeth.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
And the schoolers, the preschoolers develop a taste for blood.
I tell you, you know, the way the way that
certain school professionals speak to parents, it's a wonder that
there's not more violence.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
So I'm still I'm still plotting that out in my head,
figuring out how I can do that. But so when
I saw this topic of mama bear, I'm like, yeah,
I'm there right now, right, that's my head space. It's
so hard. I mean, we talked earlier this week about
gilded age. I believe the doctor's mother thought she was
(17:31):
being a mama bear, right, not going to get any
thanks for no birth. That certainly has been a mama bear,
that's right. Missus Astor was trying to be a mama
bear keeping her kid in the cave. Do not leave
the den, do not do not.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Don't do it.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
I will protect you from any notoriety. Just stay there, hide.
But mama bears don't get a lot of appreciation. They
they generally are considered to be the problem, when in fact.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
When in fact they're try and attacking.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Are the problem. We just wanna, we just want to
protect what's wrong.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
I mean, the the Mama Bear, she doesn't she has
to be provoked in order to attack, right, I mean,
she's not out here just doing it for sport like
the smoke Monster.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
True, but over time, Mama Bear's trigger may get more
and more sensitive, calibrated. That might not have have mauled
you until you had really done something bad, but since
then it's like you're looking at me, what did you say? Yes,
(18:55):
it's hard to let it go once you get to
that level of of advocacy. Let's call it advocacy because.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Well and and we all we talked about this with
the Gilded Age too, Like there's a time, there's a
point when the child may outgrow the need, right, but
it's very hard to see that line.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
It is, and there are also situations. Yeah, it's it's
difficult because not only do they get too old to
appreciate it and to need it, but also your your
opportunities to exert your mama bareness. You know, you can't
really go to your child's workplace and yell at their boss,
(19:47):
even when their boss deserves it. You can't. You can't
do it the way you could go to a school
meeting and do some damage. So your opportunities are less
and less.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Right, and that is difficult, which doesn't seem fair.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
No, it's not if people would actually be able to
conduct their own lives in a reasonable way without your assistance. Yeah,
it's it's not only it's not just your kid not
doing it. It's the people. People stink sometimes, and they
don't stop stinking when your kids become adults and your
desire to make everything okay does not stop. But there
(20:24):
is no venue for it, right, and it reflects badly
on your child when you insert yourself into their adult business. Yeah,
if you could just say, they've outgrown my mother bear usefulness.
I can set this down now, I can put this away,
(20:44):
I can roll a stone in front of the cave.
I never have to do that again. But you still
have those instincts. Yes, you just can't do anything about it, right,
What might be righteous anger is now ridiculous. Yeah, but it's.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Still righteous, and it's you have all this experience.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
It's right, that's right.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
What was I meant to do? What is that mine from?
Speaker 1 (21:13):
What was I made for?
Speaker 2 (21:15):
No, there's like, what was I meant to do? I
forget where that came from.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yeah, I don't know. It's just it's really I find
that now that I cannot exert my mama bear force
and anger out, I turn it inward, which is quite unpleasant.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
But it's inward to yourself or to your.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Family, to myself. So, okay, I can't do anything about
the way things are now. Let me go back through
everything I've done before and find the things that probably
weren't the right thing to do, and just growl at
myself about it. I'm doing a lot of that lately,
and it sticks.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Yeah, that's why you need to channel that into a
book project.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
You need to channel that into being, you know, yelling
at somebody else. Come on, you know, somebody should like
start a business that says, are you frustrated with people
that you can't yell at? I will come to your
house and you can yell the living daylights out of it,
and I will take it. Somebody might consider that as
(22:28):
a business opportunity. Yeah, And if you do, let me know,
human punching bag for rent.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Yeah, let me have one.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
I can tell fifty dollars an hour, right, But yeah,
I just it's I think the mother Bear turned inward,
which we may be seeing a little love in some
of our TV shows. Just it's really bad and I
really don't like it, and it's really a setting, but
(23:01):
it's a real thing, I think. Yeah, just thinking back, Yeah, well.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Like you said, I mean you you worked on those
skills for a long time because they were necessary and
they were important.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
They are and part you.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Meant to do.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Yeah, but then you think back and say, should I
have taken a softer touch? Was I right to pick
that battle? Maybe I should? Just maybe they were right
and I was wrong. That's deadly. Oh my gosh, that's
so unpleasant. Yes, but I assume I'm not the only
Mama Bear who does it. So right, ladies, I growl
(23:43):
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Speaker 2 (23:59):
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Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
And I'm Catherine hileco.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Every Thursday, we're bringing you a library find, a pick
from our archives, and a parenting or pop culture tidbit
or two. Let's start with Catherine's library find of the Week.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
I think this week's library find is going to be
right up your alley. I know I'm planning to try
to read it. It is called The Feather Detective, Mystery
Mayhem and the Magnificent Life of Roxy Layborne, who is
described as a forensic ornithologist.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Of course, of course, I mean next season, only murders
in the building.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
How cool is that? Her name was Roxy Layborne, a
diminutive but singular woman with thick glasses, a heavy Caroline
crow and a passion for birds. She became the world's
first dogs like birds.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
There's birds here, words where where?
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Let me see? She investigated a range of crimes and
calamities on behalf of the FBI, the Air Force, and
even NASA.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Oh my, I mean, I gotta think think any any
bird calamity involving an airline was probably pretty bad for
the bird. Well, I guess it could be like the
crash on the Hudson then it was supposedly.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Yeah, it says that that's kind of what started. It
was in nineteen sixty an Eastern Airlines flight that struck
a flock of birds and fell into the Boston Harbor
and killed people.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
They sent her the birds and ask her why this happened.
So yeah, So I think it sounds fast. Yeah, I'm
you know, I'm not the biggest nonfiction person, but this
sure sounds like a novel. Yeah, it does fun so yeah.
(02:12):
Forensic ornithologist.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
So that's a very specific specialty, right, yep.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
She broke down barriers for women, solved murders, and investigated
deadly airplane crashes with nothing more than a microscope and
a few fragments of feathers.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
I want to know about the murders that involved birds.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Well, I think you're gonna do you, like.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Like make the birds swallow little explosives and then flew
them in somebody's window or what. I don't know how
were birds? Yeah, okay, well I'll have to look that up.
I wonder who if anybody interesting reads it? Oh yeah,
god do a good Carolina accent.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Good question. It also says that she was once divorced,
once widowed and sometimes surly.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
This is so weird. I'm just looking on Audible. I
just bring up the screen where I can search. And
the book that they're showing me is we should all
be birds.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
How do you know we're talking about birds?
Speaker 1 (03:12):
How do you know this? Oh my, I have to
write bird book. But it's a bird book that is
as heck? So I don't have Siri turned on. How
did it know we were talking about birds? Oh? My goodness.
When stuff happened like that happens, it just it's very disturbing. Right.
Feather Detective by Chris Sweeney. Let's see who reads it? Goodbye?
(03:41):
Letters that are too small for me to say. Oh wait,
narrated by by Sierra Prasada. Well, I don't know that person,
but that's an impressive name. Yes, but can she do
a South Carolina accent here? She's Siera to work anyway,
it sounds interesting. I'll have tound it does?
Speaker 2 (04:04):
I'm fine?
Speaker 1 (04:06):
And why how has there not been a uh of
cable series made of this?
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Right? Well, maybe now that there's a book to yeah
base it on, right, they'll go there.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
I can I can see that absolutely, you know what
we need we need we need the bird expert. Bring
in the bird expert. Yes, the other detectives will be
going like a bird expert. She said, she'll solve the
murder excellent. Well. Speaking of TV shows involving feathers, Dancing
(04:44):
with the Stars, season thirty four is coming up, and
we are not going to be talking about it on
the podcast because we have other things only murders in
the building. And because you know you used to be
they put this stupid thing on Mondays and Tuesdays and
we would say, that's okay. We will stay up late
(05:06):
and record some podcasts and put it out the next
day so that it's fresh. That's fine, we can do that.
We can't do that anymore, y'all. Time is past. We're done.
We're done with the last minute recording and publishing for
like five people to listen to. So we will periodically
make mention of it on this podcast. We will. I'll
(05:28):
talk about the cast a little bit right now at
the end. We'll do a little recap, but we don't
think that you want to hear on Thursday about the
one a week and a half ago. So and the
cast cast could be good and could be there's a
lot of who who right, And there's a lot of
who cares uh, And there's a few people that I'm
(05:51):
interested in, but not necessarily because I think it will
be fun to watch the dance. They have exhumed Corey
Feldman from someplace? Is that possible? But let's see, I'm
reading here off of ABC News who the cast will be.
If you haven't heard yet, here's you know, when it
came out a week and a half ago. When you're
listening to this Jen Affleck no relation to ben Mormon.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Housewife right something like that.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Yes, she is from the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives.
Hilaria Baldwin wife is allegedly an author and a yoga instructor,
podcaster and author, well a podcaster. How do we get
that gig? You were on that show? Sasha would be
(06:38):
on this season? He's not on this season?
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Why there?
Speaker 1 (06:41):
They brought someone of Taylor Swift's backup dancers on to
be Sadie's partner, but they couldn't find a place for
Sasha Boo. He's being very very okay about it on
social media. But Jordan Chiles gymnast, Yeah, it would be
with Ezra. Should be cute. Baron Davis a basketball player. Yep, Yes,
(07:02):
time NBA All Star. It's going to there with newlywed
Britt And if you haven't looked up all the pictures
of Britt and Daniel's wedding her partner from a a
little while ago, go on to Instagram and search them up.
It's very cute, yea very cut and all lots and
lots of pros there. I love the whole thing that
these pros seem to have a whole social life together
(07:23):
outside of the show. Yes, showing up at each other's
weddings and parties and shower showers at all. Alex Earl
Alex with an I who is an online influencer.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Yeah. I think she has a big podcast.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Hot mess podcast. Well, our podcast is a hot mess happening.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Yeah, why aren't we on this show.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Dylan Epron, brother of Zach and somebody that you saw
on The Traders.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
He was on the Traders and he was like secret
breakout of the Traders like he he ever. I was like,
who are you like? What Zach Efron's brother? Is that
what we're doing now? But he actually turned out to
be good at the game and fun to watch.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
And because apparently he feels the need to be serious
and differentiate himself from his bro It also says Dylan
Efron is a former competitive athlete and iron Man All
World athlete, where he ranked in the top two percent
of all competitors in his age group. And good for you, buddy, good.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
For you doesn't necessarily translate to dancing.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Okay, Well, he's got Daniella, so he's got a shot. Yes.
Corey Feldman, Corey Feldman, Oh my goodness, man.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Musician and actor Corey Feldman.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Glad you're still alive. I guess it is about all
I can say. But he could be a hoot, or
he could be the opposite whatever, the opposite of family.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Yeah. Well, we've seen some people who were like, I
do not want.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
It would be like first to go home because everybody's like, oh,
keep my childhood memois intact. Please. Also, Danielle Fischel to Panga, Panga,
how is it possible to Panga has not been on
Dancing with the Stars before. I could have sworn she
was on it before, but I guess that was Candice Cameron.
But oh, okay, okay, you go girl. She could be
(09:23):
a lot of fun. She's with Pasha that's that sounds
like I'll keep my eye on that pairing. And Elaine Hendrix,
who was the evil Meredith Blake in The Parent Trap.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Oh, that's who that is.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Yes, I have not seen her since.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
I assume the Lindsay Lowhand Parent Trap.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Yes, the Linda Nine fans of the nineteen ninety eight
remake The Parent Trap will recognize Elaine Hendricks as the
actress who played Meredith Blake. Yes, I do I recognize you, babe.
I haven't seen you much since. But good for you.
You're on Dancing with the Stars with Alan. You have
a good time.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Florence Henderson. Maureen McCormick.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Yeah, yeah, she's no longer the young the young thing,
but you know what, good for you getting the gig, babe.
Scott Hoying, who is the He's from Pentatonics, a group
I have heard the name of multiple times. I'm not
sure i've listened to them ever.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
I bet you've heard.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Probably it's like a cappella. He's with Riley, which seems
odd but okay. Yeah, Robert Irwin, who I would have
put with Riley, but I imagine Whitney Carson said nope,
mine give me Yeah. So his sister won how will
he do? Good luck to him. He's been promoting this
(10:49):
thing relentlessly since now for quite some time. He was
like the first person in now was ever since. So
you know, family, dine, see you go. Lauren Jerugui, that
is undoubtedly wrong. She's a singer best known for being
part of the girl group Fifth Harmony. Yeah, all right.
(11:12):
Whitney Levitt, who is another Mormon wife. Yeah, and too,
Mark Ballas and his hair and his tattoos.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
And finally the one that cracked me up the most, honestly,
because where the heck did this come from? Andy Richter.
Andy Richter, former Conan's sidekick Andy Richter, is on Dancing
with the Stars with Emma, which is I don't expect
him to last, but while he's there, I'm going to
(11:41):
enjoy the completely ridiculous fact that he is there. Good
for you man, good for your agent. So that is
who we will be seeing dancing a few there that
I will tune in for a bunch that I'm gonna go. Yeah,
when is the next person up?
Speaker 2 (11:57):
So who do we think is potentially an actually good dancer?
Jordan the Gymnast.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Well, given the number of Mormons who are pros in
dancing the star and so you think you can dance.
There seems to be a ground swell of dancing, so
I'm thinking the two wives probably got a little bit. Okay,
I don't think that they're going to come out there
and go one, two, three, four, and other than that,
(12:26):
I probably the Irwin kid is going to be adorable
and get a lot of.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
And maybe Dylan if he's such an athlete.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
But you know, yeah, could be. I mean, was the trade?
Did a lot of people watch the Traders? I heard
of it that I didn't watch it.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Yeah, I think a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Okay, yeah he's I mean, he could be. I have
never heard of him, and he looks perfectly bland and handsome.
So if he has some personality, that's the unknown factor
with all of these, right, is not any really what
we've seen on this show is being able to dance
is important, but it's not the only thing, see Bobby Bones.
(13:08):
Of how you play the game and your personality, both
those things are really important. So that is we do
not know yet, right, But I don't know.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
And some of these pros have a lot of experience
with yes, you know, working with somebody who doesn't necessarily dance,
but also helping them do the social media right.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Anybody who doesn't teach their their star to play the
game is gonna go down, So I wish them all. Well, yeah,
it's very sparkly.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Yes, So that premieres on Tuesday, the sixteenth of September.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Okay, so we will be possibly.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
We'll be dipping in once in a while, maybe if
something happens.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Yes, And maybe I may try to do some little
headliners where you can just upload a piece of audio
very easily. So maybe I'll do a little little recap
or something and put those up on our timeline. But
I don't think that we are in the We are
in a mental space at the moment where we can
(14:21):
watch it, record, publish, do graphics, do social media, all
that stuff. It's not that important really, So we'll improvise
a little bit. We'll make up our own steps this time.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
There you go, perfect love that.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
So what do we have from the archives this week?
Speaker 2 (14:44):
And the archives we're going to go back to twenty
twenty for an episode we called when Mama Bear Comes
out of Hibernation. And you know, we could probably tie
this to the Gilded Age a bit. We had said
at that time, and of course it's still true today
that our kids are older and we do want to
(15:07):
encourage them to fight their own battles, but sometimes we
feel they might need a little help, and we have
so much experience and practice, so we might we might
need to step in. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Yeah, my Bama Bear comes out all the time. I
recently I started I had an idea. I think I
talked about that I had gotten this like online typing
program that was like a typewriter, like an old fashioned
black screen with green type thing. I was using it
to just make myself right, and I started something that
(15:45):
was about a woman who, in advocating for her children
in special education, gets so intense that she actually turns
into a bear. And like most.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
I got a great first page and then I just
wasn't able to get past it because I got to
figure out, do I really want to write a book
where she kills people right that she just dreams that
she does or something. But the first page is pretty fun.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
I go back and read it every now and then go, dang,
I should with this. Yeah, you know, it's like everybody knows,
don't miss with Mama Bear.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
You know, the principle is missing.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Muhu, the principle is missing. Well, this is like the
the book that I had as a library find a
long time ago, and then I actually read it, and
then I talked about it. It's called cutting teeth.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
And the schoolers, the preschoolers develop a taste for blood.
I tell you, you know, the way the way that
certain school professionals speak to parents, it's a wonder that
there's not more violence.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
So I'm still I'm still plotting that out in my head,
figuring out how I can do that. But so when
I saw this topic of mama bear, I'm like, yeah,
I'm there right now, right, that's my head space. It's
so hard. I mean, we talked earlier this week about
gilded age. I believe the doctor's mother thought she was
(17:31):
being a mama bear, right, not going to get any
thanks for no birth. That certainly has been a mama bear,
that's right. Missus Astor was trying to be a mama
bear keeping her kid in the cave. Do not leave
the den, do not do not.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Don't do it.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
I will protect you from any notoriety. Just stay there, hide.
But mama bears don't get a lot of appreciation. They
they generally are considered to be the problem, when in fact.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
When in fact they're try and attacking.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Are the problem. We just wanna, we just want to
protect what's wrong.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
I mean, the the Mama Bear, she doesn't she has
to be provoked in order to attack, right, I mean,
she's not out here just doing it for sport like
the smoke Monster.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
True, but over time, Mama Bear's trigger may get more
and more sensitive, calibrated. That might not have have mauled
you until you had really done something bad, but since
then it's like you're looking at me, what did you say? Yes,
(18:55):
it's hard to let it go once you get to
that level of of advocacy. Let's call it advocacy because.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Well and and we all we talked about this with
the Gilded Age too, Like there's a time, there's a
point when the child may outgrow the need, right, but
it's very hard to see that line.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
It is, and there are also situations. Yeah, it's it's
difficult because not only do they get too old to
appreciate it and to need it, but also your your
opportunities to exert your mama bareness. You know, you can't
really go to your child's workplace and yell at their boss,
(19:47):
even when their boss deserves it. You can't. You can't
do it the way you could go to a school
meeting and do some damage. So your opportunities are less
and less.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Right, and that is difficult, which doesn't seem fair.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
No, it's not if people would actually be able to
conduct their own lives in a reasonable way without your assistance. Yeah,
it's it's not only it's not just your kid not
doing it. It's the people. People stink sometimes, and they
don't stop stinking when your kids become adults and your
desire to make everything okay does not stop. But there
(20:24):
is no venue for it, right, and it reflects badly
on your child when you insert yourself into their adult business. Yeah,
if you could just say, they've outgrown my mother bear usefulness.
I can set this down now, I can put this away,
(20:44):
I can roll a stone in front of the cave.
I never have to do that again. But you still
have those instincts. Yes, you just can't do anything about it, right,
What might be righteous anger is now ridiculous. Yeah, but it's.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Still righteous, and it's you have all this experience.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
It's right, that's right.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
What was I meant to do? What is that mine from?
Speaker 1 (21:13):
What was I made for?
Speaker 2 (21:15):
No, there's like, what was I meant to do? I
forget where that came from.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yeah, I don't know. It's just it's really I find
that now that I cannot exert my mama bear force
and anger out, I turn it inward, which is quite unpleasant.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
But it's inward to yourself or to your.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Family, to myself. So, okay, I can't do anything about
the way things are now. Let me go back through
everything I've done before and find the things that probably
weren't the right thing to do, and just growl at
myself about it. I'm doing a lot of that lately,
and it sticks.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Yeah, that's why you need to channel that into a
book project.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
You need to channel that into being, you know, yelling
at somebody else. Come on, you know, somebody should like
start a business that says, are you frustrated with people
that you can't yell at? I will come to your
house and you can yell the living daylights out of it,
and I will take it. Somebody might consider that as
(22:28):
a business opportunity. Yeah, And if you do, let me know,
human punching bag for rent.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Yeah, let me have one.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
I can tell fifty dollars an hour, right, But yeah,
I just it's I think the mother Bear turned inward,
which we may be seeing a little love in some
of our TV shows. Just it's really bad and I
really don't like it, and it's really a setting, but
(23:01):
it's a real thing, I think. Yeah, just thinking back, Yeah, well.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Like you said, I mean you you worked on those
skills for a long time because they were necessary and
they were important.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
They are and part you.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Meant to do.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Yeah, but then you think back and say, should I
have taken a softer touch? Was I right to pick
that battle? Maybe I should? Just maybe they were right
and I was wrong. That's deadly. Oh my gosh, that's
so unpleasant. Yes, but I assume I'm not the only
Mama Bear who does it. So right, ladies, I growl
(23:43):
in your general groups. Thank you for listening. You can
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Speaker 2 (23:59):
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