274. Tyler Aurandt, North Oconee Head Football Coach

In this episode, we talk to Tyler Aurandt, Head Football Coach at North Oconee High (GA).  North Oconee won the state championship in AAAA in Georgia in 2024. 

We also give a quick list of ways to get the most out of coaching clinics. 

Episode Transcript

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Everybody, welcome back to the Parker Resources Podcast. I am
Michael Parker has joined us always by Chris Parker and
sometimes doctor Chad Flatt, but that sometimes is not today, so.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
No, not today. Doctor Flatt has been under the knife,
you know for those the albums, so he for those seriously,
doctor Flat's fine. He had successful hip surgery. He's resting,
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we are without doctor Flat tonight. But that's okay. We
we're gonna bring you some good coverage and we'll catch
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he's back, he's We won't talk about the details of
what he's had to go through, or we won't show
any pictures of him with a walker or anything like that,

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but just that he's recovering. He's doing well, and we
wouldn't be joking about him if he actually was not.
So he's doing well and he'll be back soon to
his normal principal and self. So what we're gonna do tonight,
Michael is talk a little bit about some clinics we got.
Tyler Aren't the head coach at North o'conney with us tonight.

(02:20):
So coach aren't hadn't lost a regular season game in
a while, but they had lost in the playoffs last
years in the quarterfinal semifinals and had not been able
to kick this championship door in. They get to the championship,
they beat Marist, You know, a very established program to win.
This coach in the state coach Chadwick on the other side,

(02:41):
seven to seven the whole game, they go down and
score the fourth quarter, they get a big stop and
they're the state champ. So side talk to coach, aren't
about that North o'conney program building them up. And you know,
one of our first years not coaching Pickens played North
o'conie in the playoffs. We went over there. They had
a good team, but they weren't that level. Right, they're

(03:01):
building that they were building and now they're definitely a
powerhouse and so excited to hear from coach and things
they're doing well, so it should be good. What do
you think?

Speaker 3 (03:14):
Yeah, I mean I remember we did go over and
uh we're at the game.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
That a really good job.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
And if if you anybody that watched that state championship game,
you know that Maris is a good coach team. You know,
it's a it's less traditional than what you're used to see,
which I feel like now make to the coach against
because you're not used to seeing that stuff every single week.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
But it was a great game.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
You know, as me as a defensive guy, I love
a fourteen to seven game. You know, that's not usually
what you get in these games, usually get high scoring.
And they did a great job. They got some they
have very talented players, They had a great coaching staff,
and it was a great year for him.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
Yeah, and one thing I noticed about them before weep,
we'll keep we'll quit bragging in a minute, just let
coach talk. But one thing I noticed about him from
doing the awards and stuff we do. I have the
same coaches for a long time, I mean, all of them.
I'll just go dark. But you know I talked to
him about who's doing good jobs? Have same people every year,
you know, same guys. I mean, so that continuity is

(04:13):
so important. I feel like this time of year there
is sometimes a little bit of like doubt as a
head coach if you got the right people or not.
Do we need to add somebody, Do we need to
mix something up, do we need to maybe can get
rid of somebody? And all those things. There's times for
all of them. But I think sometimes the continuity is important.
And so if you can just grow the people you got,

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you know, and what fits into that is going to
these clinics. And so I thought today we did a
whole episode last year. Okay, so if you go back
to January of twenty twenty four episodes, we did a
whole episode on getting the most out of clinics. We
spent an hour talking about it. So I'm not going
to do that. Now, go back and listen to that
if you are interested and you didn't never hear it.
But I do want to give you a couple of

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tips real quick on things you could be doing as
you get into this clinic season. How can you get
the most out of it? Because the clinics, they are
for networking, and they are you know, times to get
away some and just have a good time. But you
need to get out there and get better while you're
doing that. And so I got a few things here
I wanted to bring up. You know, I got I

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got ten things I'll say real quick and then we'll
get out of here and let coach aren't take over.
So the first tip is have a plan before you go.
You know, everybody's at a different point in their career.
So if you're brand new, maybe you're just you know,
trying to maybe you're just trying to learn something, you know,
pick something, have a plan. Who do I want to

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see where am I going get the agenda? You know,
do those things you know. Number two, look for better
ways to do what you're already doing. Like I thought this,
I think this may be. These are not in order
of importance. This is just ten things, but I think
this may be the most important one. Like whatever you're
good at, like, we'll find some better ways of that.
As it can't always be about looking for the brand

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new thing, you know. Number three, don't always go to
the speaker from the biggest school. Okay, I can assure
you with twenty years of clinic going, I didn't get
the most out of the biggest school. Like Michigan State's
defensive coordinator was probably less helpful than you know, Alcorn State,

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who may have been less helpful than Barry you know,
I mean sometimes the and of course the high school guys.
So you know, look for speakers that probably are going
to build up pertain to what you're doing. Number four,
Write down the important things, not everything. My god, some
of these people writing down everything that goes without saying
think tactical or technical over tactical. That's number five. Let

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me say that again. I batched that think technical overtactical.
You know, I talk about on here often there's two
types of ball. There's tactical and technical. And tactical is
the X and o's like we call this play and whatever,
and technical is the techniques. Right. So Andy Reid calls
some great plays, right, nobody can just that. But one
of the reasons they call good plays is they're good

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at technical football. So they go together. But I feel
like at the clinics, everybody play. Everybody clinics like they're
the offensive coordinator, right, and only one. I mean, if
I spoke at some clinics where you know, be forty
people in attendance, and I've even sometimes asked, like, you know,
who calls the plays in here, like you know, like
five or six maybe, right, So I would assume that

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ratio is probably true everywhere. So if you got one
hundred and fifty people, maybe twenty of them call the plays,
you know, So there's nothing wrong with getting ready to
call the places one day. But at the same time,
don't don't just go to the stuff that talks about
how we're going to beat cover four, you know, go
go learn some technique number six, pick up one thing,

(07:48):
picking up one thing, compounds over time, so I want
to get the most del I mean it's a kind
of cliche thing for people to say, we just hope
you get one thing out of this. Well, I mean, yeah,
you do that, but that's not just cliche, like, actually
get one thing, because I can assure you I've been
in a lot of clinics where I got zero things.
So make sure you get one thing and then get
one more and one more and it can compound over time.

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Number seven, special teams can be special. Special teams is
something that actually I found was one of the easier
things to get something from the clinic because they're usually
lightly attended. The coaches usually talk about drills and you
got a member to Michael Like special teams. There's only
so many ways to do it, man, you know, like

(08:32):
you're talking about offense, right, I mean, there are millions
of different combinations of things that can occur, right, So
it's highly unlikely you're going to find somebody doing it
exactly like you. But you know, kick return is kick return.
I mean there's about four things you can do. Highly
likely the person talking is doing something comparable to you.
Number eight, I put be a double agent, meaning if

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you're not sure, go to the other side of the ball.
The offensive guys go go listen to some defensive clinic.
Defensive guy, listen to them. Off to the clinics, you know.
Number nine, take time to build your current staff culture.
Like if you're going to a clinic and you're insisting on,
you know, making everybody leave their family and come over there, Like,
take some time to sit down with your people. You know,

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you don't get as many chances to get away as
a staff because a lot of you don't want to.
You know, you saw much together during the season. You
won't let people go home. Well, now you're at this clinic,
say you're in Orlando and you're from Atlanta. Take some
time to build your current staff. There should be some
culture building there, even if it's impromptu where it's not
necessarily planned out. Just make sure you have that. And

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last thing, number ten, you don't take advantage of networking opportunities.
I can't tell you how many.

Speaker 4 (09:43):
Times as a as a as my age now, I
see people and encounter people that I consider dear friends
that honestly, you know, we coached against them a few
times maybe or maybe we even didn't, but a lot
of my interactions with them were at Clint and stuff.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
So let's make you know, make sure you're taking advantage
of those opportunities. You never know who you're gonna meet,
and you never know what that person's gonna end up doing.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
So uh.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
You know there was a time in I don't know
what year it was, but long time ago where Will
much Chant was talking at He's the Difference Cord to
LSU and he was talking and I'm listening tour Coach
Defense in and you know, he sent me a bunch
of tapes and like said, nobody, he wasn't anybody then,
and you know it was neat. You just never know
who you're talking to down the road. So uh and

(10:30):
his was likely attended if I remember right at that time. Uh,
So you never know when you think about what you
got anything to add to that, Michael, before we get
on to the next thing.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
I mean, I would say the biggest thing was, you know,
you talk about everybody likes to go hear the big coach,
but you don't always not gonna you know, you're not
necessarily gonna get something that's gonna help your team schematically.
When you go see those guys, you know, try to
find the guy that has players similar to you that
can do so you know you can get something out
of it. You know, there's obviously a lot so they

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got way better players, or if they get to ask
for people to come to their school, that makes a
big difference. So I mean, you know, just find something
that you can do. And there are there are things
outside of the getting the football, Like you're talking about
networking and getting to know people. Some of us helpful
for trying to get a job. Some of it's just
you know, it's always good to have people in the

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profession that you can sometimes a bounce ideas off of,
you know, especially if you're a head coach or something.
There's not really a person at your school or you know,
close by always that you can do that with.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
So yeah, no, that's right. So get out to some clinics, man,
take some of that stuff. I'll tell you what. I
hope that list to ten, Michael, I hope people just
picked up one thing. We'll be back with coach Aren't
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nine and please be joined this time by coach Tyler Arnt. Coach,

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congratulations on the state championship and thanks for joining me.

Speaker 5 (13:03):
Thanks so much for having me. It's a blessing. To
be in this situation. A lot of people, a lot
of support. I wish I could tell you the credit,
but there's a lot more involved than just me and
our staff and our team.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
So just a lot of people coming together at the
right moment for some special happening.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
Yeah, coach, you know, you guys have you know, had
a crazy long and still do have a crazy long
regular season winning streak. You know, it's been a long
time since you lost a regular season game, and you
know you made the semifinals, the semifinals, the quarterfinals. You know,
you guys have been good. This wasn't new this year,
but you were able to win those last couple and finish.

(13:49):
So what was different this year versus those other teams
that were all really good teams, by the way, But
what was different about this Yeah?

Speaker 5 (14:00):
Well, first of all, the first thing that comes to
mind is we finally want a coin toss.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
That helps.

Speaker 5 (14:07):
I mean, there's a lot of things that got to
go right, and you know, we certainly played some really
good football teams down that stretch of going to semifinal, semifinal, quarterfinal,
but when you get a chance to play at home,
that makes a difference. And we've been forcing them to
play really good at home, so I think that had

(14:30):
a lot.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
To do with it. But I think this team was
just hungry. You know.

Speaker 5 (14:35):
One thing that we leaned into with this group, and
we only had ten seniors, and these guys are kind
of always been counted out, you know, from the time
I took this job eight years ago. They had a
different coach every year through the youth football, so it
was always kind of like, who's going to coach this

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group this year, and we'd have to go find it coach,
and you know, it wasn't always a parent, it was
people from the community that volunteered, and we just kind
of leaned into that that, hey, look guys, everybody's kind
of counted you out from the get go, and everybody
kind of set all off season this was going to

(15:17):
be a rebuild or a reload or whatever you want
to call it, because we had lost so many seniors.
We went from having twenty seven last year to having ten,
and you know, you return I think we returned five
starters total on both sides of the ball. So there
was a lot of kids that were hungry to get
out there and play and prove themselves. So we just

(15:39):
kind of leaned into that and built off of that message.
You know, all the way through the through the season,
you get in the playoffs, and you know, I told
a lot of people this I thought, for a was
as deep as any classification. And you know, the first round,

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we met as a team and we didn't know who
we were playing because the things that were going on,
you know, in the region that we were going to
match up with, you know, with Stockbridge and the things
that were the decisions that needed to be made in
regards to that situation. And I said, look, let's just
talk about the rest of the bracket. You know, there

(16:20):
are twelve state championships in this bracket in the last
ten years. I mean there are teams, and some of
them are multiple, you know, the same teams won multiple
but you're talking about in the last ten years, twelve
state championships, whether it be four A or five A

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or even six A were sitting in our bracket. And
you know, that's tough. And I told them, look, you
have to be tough as nails right here. You know,
you're gonna have to play a lot of really good
football teams, a lot of perennial powerhouses. I consider in
blue bloods of our state and nobody, nobody cares how

(17:03):
you feel right now or you know that you're going
to have this road. So we just kept leaning into
like you're you're counting out, nobody's counting on you to
get through this thing and make it to the end.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
And our kids, I think fed off of that.

Speaker 5 (17:18):
And you know, we were able to put some really
good football games together. And I'm talking about team wins
where we were good in all phases or we played
complimentary football, but there were.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
Some games that we had to hold on to.

Speaker 5 (17:34):
I mean, and we got up and Carters will come
storming back, just like you would expect carters will to do,
and you know they missed a field goal and then
we stopped them on a two point conversion, or we're
in overtime and you know that game could have ended
a lot differently.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
But you know, the ball has to bounce your way.

Speaker 5 (17:52):
You got to be healthy. There's a lot of things
that have to happen. This is probably the healthiest that
we were had ever been. At the end of the season.
You know, we kept waiting for that foot, you know,
that shoe to drop, like who's it going to be?

Speaker 2 (18:07):
Like who's going to get hurt.

Speaker 5 (18:08):
And we were fortunate to stay healthy all the way through,
so you know, all those things they play a role
in that and being able to be there in the end.
But we got resilient kids that never blinked in the
face of adversity, and you know we were able to
make you know, some really big things happened down the

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stretch to.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
Get us there.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
Yeah, I mean, coach, that is why I bring that up,
because sometimes when you have a team that achieved a
little bit more than the other ones, even though they
were all good, you may say, well the ball kind
of bounced their way in terms of how the bracket
laid out, or one of the teams that was really
a problem got beat earlier in an upset or whatever
it was. That's not the case here, man, Like you

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guys went for whatever it's worth with the rankings. You
entered the playoffs ranked third by the AJAC. You beat
the first, second, and fourth team, you know, like there
was no avoiding the other people's what I mean, you
went through the best teams, you won the game. I mean,
you're right, you and and and Ware County, who for

(19:13):
their standards, their record was a little worse this year.
But I saw them guys play. They're good, and they.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
Play in the toughest region.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
I feel like, yeah, you got were County in the
second round and you're playing Cartersville, who everybody knows what's
Trinity and Maris, I mean, that's that might be one
of the tougher runs that I've seen. You know, I
do these often every year talk to the state champs,
and I mean, that's one of the tougher runs you're
going to go through. And so you know, commends you
guys for that. It wasn't It wasn't something that just
worked out. Sometimes when that tough that first one is

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the toughest one to win for the program. You know,
Maris is used to wining them. Cartersville used to win
in them their first one. And what happens is you
run up on those kind of teams and it becomes
challenging to beat them because the program is used to winning. Uh.
But so you didn't avoid the those people to get
that first one. Man. So I don't know if there's
a question there, but congratulations when that was fantastic run

(20:06):
and what what what did you feel like in the
state championship game? Made the biggest difference because I'm watching
and I thought both teams were I thought it was
probably equal of a game as you're going to see
in the state championship. I thought both teams were fairly equal.
You guys found a way to win at the end.
What did you feel like made the difference in that game?

Speaker 2 (20:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (20:31):
No, you go into that game and you you know
you're not going to get many possessions, and you know,
a lot of respect for merists, and we had seen
them a lot on film since I took this job
in different situations or different you know, points in their seasons,
and when you get them late, you know they're going

(20:53):
to be rolling because they're going to have all the
timing of that option stuff, you know, right, And you
know that was probably my biggest concern was how many possessions?

Speaker 2 (21:05):
What does that look like?

Speaker 5 (21:07):
And being able to take advantage of the possessions that
you have. And I thought, like I thought we did
a really good job of when we were possessing the
ball of having long drives. Now they doll didn't finish
with points. I would have loved to have gotten some
points in some of those long drives. When we got
down in their territory, and you know, particularly the one

(21:30):
that to start the second half and we threw the
pick in the end zone. You know, but when they're
not on the field, that's less time that they have
to figure out what your defense is doing. And so
you know, because once they figure it out, you're just
holding on because you can't create a new game plan

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in the in the middle of the second.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
Quarter for the auction.

Speaker 5 (21:55):
So you know, the less plays and snaps that they have,
the less the chance that they have to figure it
out of how to you know, move the football effectively.
And I thought offensively, we did a really good job
of possessing the ball and creating long drives and not
giving them as much time with the football. Now we

(22:17):
I thought we played really good on defense. Our kids
played hard. I thought we were physical. You know that
they hit some plays on us, and I was kind
of worried about how we would respond in that environment,
and I thought our kids responded well. It was one
thing that they took pride in all season is they
may hit teams may hit a long play, but it's

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not six points until you cross the goal line.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
So you just keep fighting and then let's see what happens.

Speaker 5 (22:43):
And time and time again, we would get a goal
line stop here or there that would ultimately change the momentum,
change the outcome. And so we got some key stops
when they had the ball in our territory. But you know,
I think that, you know, the one thing that looking
back was was key for us was how we possessed

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the football and just kept them off of the field.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
Man, that's a great answer, because see that, that's why
I asked a question because I wouldn't have said that,
and I'm not coaching a team I didn't win the
state championship. So but I'll tell you what's a great
concept because by the way, I played Merrist in the
playoffs and we lowly old Pickens County back then. This
is before the sideline video era. Okay, at this point

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Marists has won in the first round of playoffs like
thirty years in a row or something like. We're in
the first round. We were eight and two, but we
lost a tiebreaker and finished like fourth or something. So
we're winning like seventeen to fourteen, maybe going to the
fourth quarter. They end up beating us by like three
touchdowns because they figured out what we were doing right,
and we were cheating and not cheating like illegally, but

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we weren't covering some people, and we were doing some
things that we had to live with. And it's interesting
that because it like a dumbass, it never entered my
mind that we needed them to see less plays of
our defense, like us being on offense longer would be
good because you think about playing these teams, you think
we're only gonna get a few possessions. We gotta do
the and then that makes you feel like you need

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to be more quicker on offense or effective on office.
But the truth is, just jump in the mud with
them and play less possessions and hope you tricked them
long enough. I mean, nowadays they'd have figured that out
on the second series because of the cameras. But you know,
that's interesting because that's a very astute point of like
you give because they're so well coached, coach, theyre so

(24:32):
such a good job. If you've got and you got
to come up with something against that option anyway, right
you're not running based defense. So you came up with something.
The more you show it to them, the better they're
gonna be happy. So limit their possessions like you flip
it on that. That's a great man. I appreciate you
being honest about that. That's a great point that I did.
You don't think of when you're playing in that kind

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of a game.

Speaker 5 (24:54):
Yeah, No, And you know you pitch it to everybody
else that look.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
You just need to be really good on down.

Speaker 5 (25:01):
Yeah, And if you're gonna be on first down, that's
going to extend drives. And so, you know, I thought
our offensive coordinated did a great job with our first
down calls of just taking five or six yards and
being patient because I think when you watch tape of them,
people would get impatient and.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
They would try and take a shot.

Speaker 5 (25:21):
Well, now you're second and ten against a really good defense,
and the probability of moving the chains at that point
is becoming more and more difficult or or harder. And so,
you know, we had a good We felt like we
had a good plan on first down.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
And then I.

Speaker 5 (25:40):
Would you know, our kids made some big time plays
in some big time moments, you know, to help extend
some drives. Really yeah, I mean I was really pleased
with how we played offensively, even though we ended up
with fourteen points. I felt like we were we were
close to having you know, one twenty eight points.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
Well in the end. That was what was interesting to me,
because when you're playing Marits your term blue blood, right,
multiple state champions over there, and expect to win. You know,
you guys trying to get your first one of this
anyway great program, trying to win the first state championship.
What happens in those games often is one can dust

(26:22):
play way better on offense, but they don't have that
many points. And then you just look up in the
team that you know, the back in the day, Alabama
or Tom Brady or whoever. They just found a way
even when the other team played really well, right, And
so you kind of felt I could feel that, if
that makes sense, like and you're not feeling that as

(26:44):
a coach, but so you guys are. I think it's
seven to seven and there's two plays I want to
highlight for people listening to talk about what's the difference
in winning and losing? Sometimes I think you guys had
like a third in double states. He was twelve or
fourteen or something, and he made a great throw and
catch and it really you're probably I don't know, if
you're putting there, you're going forward or what, but you
were you were probably at to forty or to thirty

(27:05):
five or so. Great play, one great play. Now you
got the time you need to at least kick a
field going end up scoring touchdown. Then like the champions
they are, Maris has this one long pass play, right yeah,
have that feel of, well, these guys are not going
to go away, you know, and they and your defense

(27:27):
stops them after that play. You know, everybody plays well
when the game's on the line and they're on the
minus twenty and they got eighty hours to go, right,
But when they get that big play on you, you
see some changes usually and I didn't see any like
I saw you guys play the same. You get a
stop after that. And I thought both of those plays,
that third down offensive play and then that stop after

(27:50):
the big play, those are championship plays. Those are what
win championships, right right?

Speaker 5 (27:55):
Oh yeah, absolutely? And you know, credit to our offensive coordinator.
We're sitting there in the time out before that third
down and he's asking, you know my opinion, and I said, look,
you go with your guts.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
He said, this is what we're going to run. And
I had a really good feeling of where I knew.
I thought the ball was going to go.

Speaker 5 (28:16):
You know, we had a crosser and a post behind
it with two of our best players, and I said, okay,
it's probably going to go to one of those two,
and then you have a curl behind that that is
kind of like and I told the corway, if you
get flushed, find the curl because there's going to be
I feel like there's going to be potential to have
a window to fit it in and if we can

(28:39):
get it close, we'll go for it on fourth down
and we're going to.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
Kick a field goal and try and go up in
the game.

Speaker 5 (28:45):
And he threw it to one of our best players
and the kid makes a heck of a catch down
the middle of the field for a first down. But
then defensively, when they hit that big play, you know,
I didn't know how our kids were going to respond
to the pressure in that moment, like I've seen them
respond in big moments throughout the season. That game's different,

(29:11):
you know, it's just different, and you know you're in
a different environment and there's a lot of people there
and everybody knows what's on the line, and I wanted
to see if we were going to be true to
the character of who we had been all season, or
we were going to try and do something more than
what we needed to do. And that was the message

(29:32):
before the game is just be you. You're good enough.
Don't try and do anything outside of your role because
you don't need to. That's who we've been for fourteen
ball games. Just go be you.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
And I think there was.

Speaker 5 (29:47):
A time out or there was a stoppage of play,
and so we had a chance to talk to them,
and you know, I think that helped, because I think
that kind of helped settle them down and just refocus.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
He look, but they have to score if they.

Speaker 5 (30:02):
Want to continue, if the game is going to go
on overtime or can it continue, They've got to score
a touchdown.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
So like, hey, you can give up a.

Speaker 5 (30:11):
Chunk play, but if the ball across that line, we
win the game. And I think our kids understood that,
and then we made some plays there in that and
the rest of that possession to finish it off.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
I was just really impressed with those two situations, and
I thought, it's listening to this that wants to be
in a championship coach as everybody does. But what moments
are separating great teams because you had two good teams
out there. You got two championship teams out there. Only
one of them is gonna win the state championship. Those
type moments, one of the game is that's a sign

(30:45):
of being well coached. It's a sign of some kids
being mentally tough, and that those are the things I
felt they made coaches really proud, Like I could feel
that for you guys. It was a great moment. So
I wonder how, I don't know highlight specific plays, but
I just thought that way.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
Yeah, I would also say this.

Speaker 5 (31:03):
Our quarterback had thrown two interceptions in the drive, the
two drives previous to that one where he hit the
third down, and you don't know how. I mean, these
are kids and he's one of the toughest kids I've
ever coached mentally and physically. But it's still a big moment.
But that kid thrives in those type of situations. And

(31:25):
he did a really good job of flushing all of
that stuff that had happened and not letting it affect
the next play, because that's not easy to do regardless
of where you're at in the season.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
But let alone the fourth quarter of the State championship.

Speaker 5 (31:41):
We need this drive to get some points to have
a chance to win the ball game.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
Yeah, it was impressive, just impressive, impressive toughness and impressed
for you guys that have Fate did him to call
the play because I mean, look, I've on third and
fourteen called some screens or some runs or you know,
I mean just said, look, let's just not mess it
up here. And the kids feel that, right, So you
showed Fate that I'm after two interceptions. That's that's important too.

(32:05):
I mean, I mean the kids got to have the
players got to have the toughness to execute it. But
the coach got to have the confidence in that player, right,
So I mean both are important in that situation. Coach,
you you talked about earlier. You know, you felt like
one of the reasons you guys that's such a good
year was you know, you were fortunate to have it
be healthy. Right. Is there anything that you guys did
at practice or in a weight room or anything that

(32:27):
you thought, you know, that will helped us this year?
Like that was something that I mean, sometimes it's pure luck.
Don't get me wrong. Injuries can be just pure luck.
But was there anything you felt like you did differently
this year, or you guys learned this year that was
something that you really felt was like important to the success.

Speaker 5 (32:44):
Yeah, you know, you learned from past and you know
we run a physical style of practice.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
That's who we are, that's what we're going to hang
our hat on.

Speaker 5 (32:57):
And you know, the last two years where we went
semi finals, quarterfinals, we had to go eight straight weeks
to finish the season and then right into the playoffs,
and so you try and find ways to, you know,
take some off, but you can't. You can't do that
when you're having to play a game every week a
whole lot, or you start to lose your edge a

(33:20):
little bit as.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
You go into a Friday night.

Speaker 5 (33:23):
But you know, this year, I think what really helped
us is we had to buy after Game eight, that
was one of our open weeks, and then we got
the open week after Game ten because of the hurricane,
and so we only practiced twice those weeks. I told
our coaches, I said, look, it's the end of the
it's this is the end of the deal.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
We're going to give.

Speaker 5 (33:46):
Them three or four days off on the front end,
three or four days off going back into the next
one and you know, we're just gonna let their bodies rest.
And I think that really helped because we had some
kids that were at that point that we're able to
get healthy enough to help us finish out those last
five games. They all didn't come back for the first round,

(34:08):
but they were getting healthy as we needed them to
get healthy.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
We backed off, I mean, we weren't on on the
field as long. Now. I think that people kind of missed.

Speaker 5 (34:23):
The boat on that where when I say backed off,
we shortened practice. The intensity at practice did not change.
Now we would take a period that was a seven
minute competition period and we would change it the four
minutes to where we're still getting those live bullets per se,
but it's just not as many reps. And all of

(34:46):
that plays a role because now it becomes reps of
and we're still going to do this.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
We're still going to keep our edge.

Speaker 5 (34:53):
We're just not going to bang as many times as
we've banged, you know, week four or five or six.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
Just a mathic agent at that point, I means less
reps means less opportunity to get hurt.

Speaker 5 (35:04):
Yeah, and then you're a walk through time. You increase
that to a certain extent to where you're still getting
the mental stuff and you're and you're forcing them to
line up and see a signal and execute a call.
It's just not full speed without any banging. And so
you just try and find different ways to do that.

(35:25):
But I mean, I've taught a lot of people and
one of my good friends is Tucker prew It down
at Fitzgerald, and you know, when we were making runs
and to the semi final, I said, hey, how do
you handle this?

Speaker 2 (35:37):
You've done this a lot. He's like, I don't change anything.
This who we are. And I think there's a lot
of validity and and.

Speaker 5 (35:48):
Uh, you know, I got a lot of respect for
him to not get in that point and say, hey,
we need to change who we are because I'm worried
about this guy getting hurt.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
It's a part of the game and you want them
all to be healthy.

Speaker 5 (35:58):
But I mean they could be in you know, whatever
class or doing whatever outside of football and rolling ankle or.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
You know, there's a lot of ways to get hurt.

Speaker 5 (36:09):
It's just but if I can minimize that a little bit,
I'm gonna try and find a way to minimize it.
But you got to go out here and you've got
to work. And I did not want to lose our
edge because I felt like that was one of the
things that helped us in the end.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
Man, that's a great answer. Everybody listening understood that. So
because that's a good sound advice, I've probably been guilty
of doing the opposite, you know. So keep the live
rep keep the intensity, keep the edge lower to time,
so still can get some of my hurts. You can
always get some my hurt, but it does, by the
equation of math, give you less opportunities. That's a good point. Coaches,

(36:44):
why you stay champed. Let's talk about I might ask
about you for a minute, just you know, that's about
the team. But most people everybody listening this wants to
be you. They want to win the state championship. Uh.
And they definitely like being the regent champ four years
in a row and going to the semifinals or quarters
or champ four years in a round. But you, guys,
I mean when you first got the job. We talked

(37:05):
several years ago, but when you first got the job,
you know that they were in ten before you got there,
and you're one in nine. In the first year, you
won seventy four and lost like sixteen cents then. But
in that moment, you're sitting there at the program's going
one in nineteen in two years, right, you're one of
these There's somebody listening to this podcast right now, that

(37:25):
team did that right, and they're saying, I don't know
if I can ever be coach at Northolk. I mean,
how can I be him with my program? Like, think
back to that guy, you know what, I mean, that
guy that gets this job and is trying to build
this program. I hope you want to take a moment
to appreciate what you've accomplished. But what advice do you

(37:46):
have for that guy? You know?

Speaker 2 (37:48):
Yeah, I mean you have to be patient. I mean,
it's not going to happen overnight.

Speaker 5 (37:53):
And that's probably the hardest part of this whole deal
is because we live in this microwave society, nobody wants
to slow per method anymore.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
They want it now.

Speaker 5 (38:02):
And I give a lot of credit to our administration
of you know, seeing and understanding what's going on behind
the scenes as we try and get this thing headed
in the right direction.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
You know. Development.

Speaker 5 (38:19):
I mean, we spent a lot of times in those
early years of developing trying to develop people. And you know,
we we build our program on you know, character wins,
and if we got good people, we're going to have
good players. So we spent a lot of times those
in those first two or three years of just how
do we handle business, What does it look like when

(38:41):
we walk through the school, what does it look like
when we go to practice, what does it look like
when we're when we're competing and trying to build that
type of person. And I felt very strongly that if
we could do that thing, you know that the success
would follow. And then you get to a point we're
having success, and how do you sustain that?

Speaker 2 (39:03):
And you know, the other part.

Speaker 5 (39:06):
That I think a lot of people overlook is what
you're doing with your youth programs.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
And we spend a lot of time with those coaches.
We still spend a lot of time with those kids.

Speaker 5 (39:17):
We have a program it's called Titans Love Titans, where
we have a player that's mentors two or three youth
kids and so we're trying to get them around our
players as much as possible so they'll begin to emulate
the same things that we coach our kids to do.
And you know, we got a lot of our coaches

(39:38):
that are involved at the youth level. But we're now
reaping the benefits of a long investment in our youth
programs for the last seven or eight years. And now
those kids are with us, and you know, they've learned
how to win, they've learned how to do things the
right way, and so we're reaping the benefits of that now.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
But it was a slow process.

Speaker 5 (40:03):
I mean, this was not a you know and overnight,
you know, turn everything over and get it right like.
It took a lot of work and we had to
get a lot of people in the right positions. The
other thing is we were able to hire because we
were growing. Our community was growing, so we were constantly
hiring teachers those first three or four years I was here.

(40:27):
That is slowed down, but that helped big time because
that allowed me to get a lot of coaches in
the building and having them around our kids daily that
I can't speak highly enough or I mean.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
That's a big deal. When every one of your.

Speaker 5 (40:47):
Coaches is in that building with these kids every day.
I mean, that's huge for the success of the program.
And so we don't have coaches in the middle school,
We don't have coaches in elementary school. And that's just
the way I chose to do it, Like I really
didn't want to go that route.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
We had to do that at certain points.

Speaker 5 (41:05):
But we have them all in the high school now
and it help has helped us. But you know, the
biggest thing is patience and just trusting yourself and that
you have a plan and you know what the plan is,
and you don't like you have a vision that you
need to portray to your kids, your staff, your community,

(41:29):
but you don't give them at all at the same time,
and it's it's no different than what you would do
at the beginning of the week. I'm not giving them
the whole game plan on Monday morning. Hey, you got
to know all this right now. But I'm gonna give
you a chunk and let you think about that, and
then I'm gonna give you another chunk and just keep

(41:50):
building and putting the next stone in place and the
next stone in place to where they're they're hungry if
they're not overloaded, and you know, they feel like they
have a chance to really help grow and develop our program.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
Why you grow and develop people.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
Man, that's fantastic, coach, and that is spot on administrative support,
patience hiring some good guys got an opportunity to hire them,
which is maybe some of the admin support. That's the ticket.
And I mean everybody doesn't get that luxury, but that
is the answer of how you can build it. Man.
And then of course, when your shot comes, when you

(42:30):
do align those youth program, when you do align your coaches,
and when you do get that alignment, now you've got
to be ready to go right. And you guys were
like you were ready with the right offense, the right defense,
the right strength program, whatever it is. So let's talk
about your coaches and I'll let you get out of here.
You know, I highlighted several of your guys. I think
the world of the whole staff. They ought to all

(42:51):
get something. So here's my chance, like brag on these
guys for a minute.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (42:58):
I love my guys because they care about the kids.
They're not just there to coach football. They're all super
invested in the community. I think that's another piece. They
have young kids. They wanted our kids in our school system.
I will say this, I don't remember having to call
one of them to ask them, you know, hey, do you.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
Want to come? It was hey, coach.

Speaker 5 (43:24):
I want to be there, and when you've got guys
that want to be there and they want their kids
a part of that community and they want to invest,
you're going to have a better shot than most because
they just naturally care more. And so you know, you
start on offense or offensive coordinators. Kurt Dorman, he came
with me from part View. He was the one guy

(43:45):
that came with me. He's unbelievable. The kids are always
at his house. He cares deeply about their well being
and that creates that connection and that trust you know
that you need on reciprocated from the other side. So

(44:06):
you know, he kind of leads the offense. And Chad Blevins,
who came from Carleton and another great program. He was
there with Sean Calhoun. They won a bunch of ball games.
So he came in knowing what it took to win
because I'll say, your offensive line higher is probably one
of your biggest tires. And the kids love him and

(44:27):
he's a lot of fun to be around. He keeps
things light, but he works really really hard. You know,
our tight ends coach is Justin Lawrence came from the
middle school, had never coached football before. And you know,
he started coaching the middle school and I said, this
guy has got a chance to be one of the
best I've been around because he just works his tail

(44:48):
off and he'll do whatever is asked.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
You know, you got a young coach, and I think
that gets lost nowadays.

Speaker 5 (44:55):
His young coaches want they want the coordinator spot, or
they want to know how quick they can and become
the head coach. This guy has just jumped in and said,
what do you need? Where can I help? And that's
a huge benefit to me because he'll wear whatever hats
necessary to get a job done. And you know, I
think the world of him. Rob Milton coaches our whiteouts.

(45:19):
He was here with the previous staff. His family's been
in this community for a long long time. Does a
great job of building relationships. But I'd say this about him,
he's our girls golf coach. I think they've won four
or five in a row now. So I but the
all these guys, and I'll get to the defensive staff

(45:41):
in just second, they're not just there to coach football.
They're I mean they're in the building and they're walking
the halls asking other kids that we don't work with, Hey,
how you doing you know, how can I help you today?

Speaker 2 (45:54):
That's just who they are. And so it makes the
culture of our school better.

Speaker 5 (46:00):
And and so you know, the other guy is Caleb
Jones who helped us out with our offensive line, who
played at North o'kkony came back to help out as
he's a student at Georgia. And then defensively. Will Peters
has been with us for seven years. The only year
he was not with us was his first. It was
our first year. And he runs our weight room and

(46:23):
he's one of the best I've ever been around and
in all capacities. The guy, the guy just works, I mean,
and he's not afraid, you know of hard work.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (46:37):
And when we changed the weight room and the culture
in the weight room, that's when things really started to
take off for all of our programs. And I'll say this,
I mean basketball won it last year, Baseball went at
the two years prior to that. We won it this
past year. Girls and boys golf have won it every
year for I don't know how many years. Girls basketball

(46:58):
was in the final four. They're going to have it
chance to be really good again this year. Lacrosse has
been good, soccer has been good. I mean, our sports
are in a really good spot right now, but they're
all in the weight room. All these kids are in
the weight room. And he don't train football players. He
trains athletes. So that's another question we get all the

(47:19):
time is you know, what do you do with the
kids that don't play football? They do everybody does the
same workouts, right, And that's a testament to him of
we're not training football players, we're training athletes. And you know,
it gets crazy and chaotic at times because you're in
all different seasons and they're playing. Some teams have games
three days a week and some have one game a week,

(47:41):
and but he makes it all work. And you know
then he's really good on the defensive side of the
ball and has created a scheme that fits us, and
I think that's huge. And another thing that I would
say has helped us is we didn't just take a
scheme and say, hey, this is what we're going to do.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
Let's just fit.

Speaker 5 (48:03):
Like we looked at our personnel hard in year three
and four and.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
Said, Okay, this is who we are.

Speaker 5 (48:10):
Let's lean into this and let's build it around the
type of kids that we have.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
And that's what he has done.

Speaker 5 (48:17):
In our offensive coordinator, Kurt Dorman's done and that's what's
allowed us to be successful week in and week out.
And then with him, Brad Williams coaches our defensive line.
He came from r through another highly successful program.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
He does a great job.

Speaker 5 (48:34):
And he works alongside or David Pollack works alongside of him,
and everybody knows David Pollack and everybody I asked you, you
know what as you bring your step he's a big kid.
I mean he's a forty year old kid and the
kids have a great relationship with him. So the energy,
the enthusiasm, the relationship building like he's really good at

(48:58):
that and the kids feel really.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
Come to ball with him.

Speaker 5 (49:01):
So he'll come to me and say, hey, you know,
here's something that they're kind of talking about, and it's
he's not offering a lot of suggestions.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
He's just wanting me to.

Speaker 5 (49:10):
Know, you know, the pulse of where we're at as
a team. And that's huge as a head coach to
be able to have that in your back pocket, you know,
so that you can make decisions that are best for
your team given the current situation or where we're at
in the season. And then inside linebackers is Josh Hawkins
who came from South for scyth uh it.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
Does a great job with those guys.

Speaker 5 (49:35):
And then Brandon Gobert coaches are outside backers and he
played at North O'cony. UH coaches baseball at North O'cony. UH,
so he's had a chance to win a lot of
ball games as a young coach. But there's another young
coach that is not interested in being a coordinator, is
not interested in being a head coach right now. They
he just wants to learn and he wants to be

(49:57):
good at his role, and I got a lot of
respect for that. But he's probably one of the best
young coaches I've ever been around because he owns his
role and his responsibility and he does it at.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
A high level.

Speaker 5 (50:11):
UH. And then Jamie Lucas coaches our corners, who was also.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
On the previous staff UH.

Speaker 5 (50:19):
And you know, he does a great job because he's
never coached defense before. He was an offensive coach that
has now moved to the defensive side of the ball.
But you know, he just does a phenomenal job with
the kids. And I love watching him coach our kids
because he does it the right way. He's respectful, but

(50:42):
he's also demanding and I've learned a lot from him.
But he also grew up on the west side of
the state, was a part of Carlton program with coach Tigue,
and so has seen really good football.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
So you know that that's our staff they are. You know,
here's another thing.

Speaker 5 (51:01):
They all coach our ninth grader's the same way they
coach our seniors. We don't have a ninth grade staff.
That's our that is our ninth grade staff and our
JV staff, And I think that's another thing that's allowed
us to be successful because these guys have been coached
by the same coach for four straight years. So I'm really,
you know, blessed to have the guys around me that

(51:22):
we have because they do a tremendous job and we
wouldn't be here without them.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
It sounds like a great group. I've I've really been
impressed with how well you guys played when I have
gotten to see you, just how well coached they are,
how disciplined, the guys are, hard they play. I really,
I mean obviously didn't win the state championship by accident,
so I'm not discovering much there, but I have seen it,
and that's a testament to everybody. You know. I know,
you get all the credit or the blame for coaching.

(51:51):
I know how head coach works, but those guys are
doing it too, and so I really like highlighting the
whole staff, you know, I really do.

Speaker 5 (51:58):
I appreciate it because I to you, you know, a
few weeks ago, I wish they all could get an award.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
I mean, because they all deserve deserve staff that way.

Speaker 5 (52:07):
I mean, I mean, that's the lifeblood of your program
and being a retaining year.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
And then you're out as getting harder and harder and
harder because everybody wants good coaches. But yeah, you know,
I couldn't.

Speaker 5 (52:20):
Be more happy or or more fortunate to have those guys,
you know, working alongside me because they challenged me day
in and.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
Day out to be better.

Speaker 5 (52:29):
Uh. And I think that's important so that you stay
hungry and you don't get complacent or stay stagnant, and
you and you continue to grow as a head coach.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
That's right, coach, you got a great, great staff, great students,
you got a great school. You mentioned of the athletic
We've got a great district. Uh. Fun fact, you're a
superintendent Jason branch Is hired me to be the football
coach for the first time, uh, the first time ever
was the head football coach. Jason Brandt heard me, so
he discovered it.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
So where was that Whitewater him Chapel Hill, Chapel Hill.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
Yeah, I was like twenty eight or twenty nine. I
mean I had no business down out there. But he
found me and we were immediately good. I mean the
team had been team was bad year before. We immediately
got good. So I guess, yes, we have some good players.
But yeah, I'm forevery grateful. So I have to secretly
be an Ocny County Schools fan, uh.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
Because he's great. Yeah, he's great to.

Speaker 5 (53:23):
He's he's at one of the games every Friday between
US and o Cony.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
But you know.

Speaker 5 (53:31):
They have been great, uh in providing things that are
necessary to help us be successful.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
Well, coach, I appreciate you taking us it down and
talk to me. Man. That's I hope you do enjoy
some time, and I hope you do appreciate the work
you guys have done. It's been really cool to see
the arc you guys have gone on since you got
that job. And you know just how successful, you know
to be and looking forward to seeing you guys continued
on this coming year.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
Well, thanks so much. I appreciate it. Like always, we
appreciate what.

Speaker 5 (54:00):
You do and giving us a chance to highlight our
program because we we think.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
Very highly of what we do.

Speaker 5 (54:07):
But you know, they have a platform U to talk
about our guys and our kids.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
We greatly appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
Thanks coach. To take care of yourself. I can never
help you out.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
Let me know, yes, sir, thank you.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
Yeah, I'm jealous of me, Michael. They've got a they
got a state championship. They're doing it the right way.
They like, they're not slowing down. They're gonna be contenders.
Uh in North o'coney for a while here. Coach done
a good job and got a good staff. So great
to hear from him and see why you know, they're successful.
So yeah, good times.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
Absolutely, I feel like we you know, did we did
We hit on the part about that they have maybe
the best D line football player as a coach on
their staff.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
Yeah, I mean it was brought up in passing, you know,
like the h real cool like you know, I mean,
you know coach Pollack, you know, he's a.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
Draft picking.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
Probably the coolest play. And I mean it's well documented
that I'm I'm not I'm not a Georgia hater. I'm
not actually like, no problem, but I'm not a Georgia fan, right,
I wouldn't verse about that. You did too. But one
of the coolest plays you ever saw was David Pollack
taking the ball from that quarterback inc where he took
the ball from him while he's trying to throw. Like,

(55:30):
if you haven't ever seen that, if you're one of
these young bucks that don't know what I'm talking about,
look it up. Get on the YouTube and look up
David Pollack safety steals ball from player at South Carolina.
Whatever you got to put in there, it'll come.

Speaker 3 (55:44):
Just find a highlight this guy was David Paula.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
Yeah, David Pollack highlights from Georgia. Beild there. It's it's
what it really is. One of the neatest plays. He
takes the ball from him while he's trying to throw it,
and he gets the safety Like was it a safety
or touchdown? I guess I took the ball, so yeah. Anyway,
so yeah, pretty cool. So but yeah, I think he's

(56:08):
got a kid on the team at North o'coney. So yeah,
then a little extra there, right. Uh So, anyway, there's
no Flat here. So Flat's favorite sponsored by Coastal Sports Turf.
One new hip, one new hip for Flat, that's his
favorite thing. He does have one one good hip and
still one bad one. But you know, to start that

(56:31):
didn't having two bad ones. So I'm gonna speak for
Flat and say that his favorite for this week was
that he's got a better hip. So and and maybe
next time, uh, he'll be able to turn on his computer.
I don't really understand why the fact that he can't
walk around means he can't turn on his computer. But nevertheless,
maybe next time he'll turn on his computer. And I

(56:52):
don't think I think Flat thought when he went on
leave for work that meant podcasting too, you know. And
as an HR guy, I appreciate that he's you know,
being consistent with his leave. You know, his leave extends
to all the areas that he works. Right, So we'll
get Flat back next time. You got any any grievances
to air, or any favorites or any tidbits for the

(57:14):
people as we let them go.

Speaker 3 (57:16):
No, it's been a great week.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
Let's kind of keep moving forward.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
Here, keep moving forward. That's that passion we're counting on
from Michael. Yeah, we'll be back for a couple of
weeks another coach uh More State champs zero for me
and Michael State Champs for the guests right here on
the part of the Resource of Podcasts.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
Hang with us.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
We'll see you next time.