March 21, 2025 • 45 mins
In this episode, Coach Parker interviews the "Manofconstantsorrow", Chris Lamb. Coach Lamb talks about his time in coaching, how he became the "job guy", and his SUN Coaches Podcast.
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time by our good friend and a friend of every
coach in the state of Georgia, Coach Chris Lamb, the
Man of Constance Sorrow, the Son Coaches coach today. First,
welcome you. But I'm gonna tell you this. You on
my show now, so I get to ask the questions.
You got to answer them. You don't get to ask
any today. How about that sounds good?
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Doctor.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Hey coach, seriously, man, thanks for joining me. Anybody that's
you know, around the state of Georgia, uh knows you
and knows your work and the services you do for coaches.
And you know, I try to do something. We don't
do the same stuff, but we're both serving and really
glad you took some time to talk to me today.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Man, well, thanks for having me on. And I always
tell people that you know, the things that you do.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
I try to be like you. I want to be
you when I grow up. So it's pretty cool to
you know, do a collab together. And and like you said,
we we serve in different ways. And absolutely and definitely
you what you put out for the coaches, and if
people can't learn something from from your work, then they're
not trying.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Man. That means a lot, Coach. You know, we got people.
One thing that's maybe a little bit different about ours
is about half the p you know, we can see
where are people listening from, and about half the people
are from Georgia, but about half aren't. And so if
you're not familiar with Coach lamb Son Coaches podcasts, need
to check it out. Because it's not for it's a
lot of Georgia people, right, but you get some lessons
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across the board. So let's back up before we even
get to your podcast, which is awesome by the way,
and let's talk about how you got there. So back
in the day, for those of it don't understand, you
got on the Internet and you got on the some
kind of message board or something like that to figure
out where the jobs were. And that's how I knew coach.
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He was the only guy in Georgia that knew what
jobs were open because it wasn't like social media now.
So tell anybody that doesn't know you kind of how
you became this servant because you're just a football coach.
You're you're not you're not a reporter, nothing like that.
You're a football coach. But how did you become the
guy that knows all the jobs?
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Well, it started with at two Brute was the guy
on the Georgia Varsity Sports event. And when I first
got started in ninety nine two thousand, I was always
curious as a young coach when people would get jobs.
I wanted to know how how did so and so
get that job? Like, how does he know.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
You?
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Know, like coach Tgue for instance, how did Raven get
from Lafayette to like how did he get the Lafayette job?
How did you know? And then oh, well he worked
for coach Henderson. Oh okay. And then I started learning
about the coaching trees. It was just a hobby to me.
I was just interested in learning the coaching trees. And
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then you know, over time, uh Edtu Brute quit doing.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
It and kind of passed it off to me.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
And I knew so many people in the coaching business,
and we talk and we kind of had an unwritten
rule about, you know, rules about how we were going
to approach it. And we weren't going to put people's
names out there. We were going to use initials, and
we weren't going to put initials on there until it
was the interview process, and we were going to respect
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you know, people's privacy and things like that because we
don't want to out anybody and get them in trouble
with their current employer. And it was just kind of
a gentleman's agreement of how we would do go about
the business. And that's basically how it got started. And
then it just snowballed into a big thing. And then
when Twitter came along, a buddy of mine said, man,
it's the perfect.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Platform for you. You need to get on it because
you say funny things and you look at things differently,
and this is you know, you need to look into that.
So that's kind of how that came about.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Well, coach, you know, it seems kind of trivial today
because so many people can report on Twitter, Facebook or whatever.
So and so stepped down, so and so's getting hired.
We heard that, but it wasn't like that then. So,
I mean, I thought it was a great service. But
what that hobby became is a platform where you learned
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a lot. So you got a lot of knowledge on trends,
you got a lot of knowledge on what it takes,
what you've seen, what stands out, And I didn't give
you these questions ahead of time, so it's like a
blanket statement just what stands out as like the number
one thing you've learned from that time in ninety nine
to today about coaching.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Jobs, it's still about who you know, and more importantly
these days than back then, it's about the administrators. You know,
knowing administrators because back then, if you knew the right
head coaches they could help you, and they still can
to an extent. But you know, and you know, back then,
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like when you, you and I came up at the
same time and we're we're we're in the same age
group and age bracket and same coaching trees and things
like that, and you know, we would we would apply
for head coaching jobs and we'd get a college coach
to call for us, or we'd get coach Miller, coach
Hodges or you know, coach Walker or somebody like that
to call for us, and they could really really help us.
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And they still can a little bit in some places.
But these days you really need an end with an administrator,
whether it's an athletic director or a county you know,
board office employee, or a superintendent or a principal. It's
going to help you more now than then. But it's
still about who you know, it's still about networking, it's
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still about things of that nature.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
That hasn't changed.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
I don't think, yeah, I agree when you say, though
there's a there's a pre significant less number of administrators
who would have the background that you and I I have.
That doesn't mean there's not some there's still some. Oh,
That's why those networks become so important because you get
an administrator who didn't coach football, but they really want
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to take this opportunity to hire a football coach. Say
not a bad person. I don't mean to throw any
shade on that, right, but they just don't know about football,
but they're really excited to hire the football coach.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Right absolutely.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
And that's you know, that's why we've kind of branched out,
you know, with Parker Resources and son coaches. We're kind
of in the same you know, sphere with that is
that you know, we'll provide you know, if you if
you want to.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
You know, I've got several administrators.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
They'll call me in and say, you know me, you
know what I want, give me five names that they
can't miss. So basically, we'll vet them for you. We'll
take care of your first and second rounds for you.
I'll put five in front of you. Here you go,
let's not waste anybody's time. Get them in there, let's go.
Whatever you want. You tell me what you want, want
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I can put and you're the same way. We can
five guys in front of you that you want. And
you know it's because there's so many administrators these days too,
that they really don't care about athletics and good bad
are indifferent. That's just not their thing, that's not They
have an administrator that that's what they're in charge of,
whether it's their athletic director or an assistant principal that
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looks over that. But to me, they're just they're just
checking a box. They're like, oh, we need a head
football coach. Let's get this done. Let's get this over
with so I can go back to run the school,
because that's just not that's not the most important thing
to them, which is understandable. You know, us as coaches,
we think that it's the most important thing, where most
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administrators it's not top five.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
And I mean that's just different.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
They get a lot of different pressures on them, you know,
I know, I supervisor principles and all. They get different
pressures on them than they did twenty thirty years ago,
where their job was to run the building, right, run
the building, make it fun place to be, build some culture.
Now it's about a lot and it's about that, but
a lot more things. And so yeah, you're you're gonna
see a mixed bag of administrators. You're gonna see people
really into the tiring process, not at all. People very
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knowledgeable of what they need, people not at all. And
I tell you something I've seen is a growing gap.
And I'm curious what you think about this a grow
It is a very bigger gap now between the haves
and have nots, and that the schools. I mean, like,
I feel like when we were younger and you were
trying for a job, and I'm one of the reasons
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I'm sitting in front of you right now is because
I took a job was horrible and made them decent
right twice. So I don't I think that's harder than
it's ever been to do. Like that's easy for me
to say, because I don't know that the people taking
those jobs now have the same chance to make them good,
is I did? Like, I think that there's a gap.
So you can disagree with me on that too, By
the way, I'm fine with that, But what do you
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think about it? Like that gap between the good team
and the place is struggling, that place that's struggle, it's
harder to turn around than it used to be, would
be my opinion. What do you think?
Speaker 2 (10:05):
I agree?
Speaker 3 (10:06):
I mean, I think I upset a younger coach at
the Coach of the Year clinic in Orlando. I was
running the I run the hospitality suite for them down
there and speak and whatever. But we were up there
and a younger coach was asking me about a job
that had.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Come open and I.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
And his goal is to, you know, be one of
the legends and win one hundred and fifty two hundred
games and all this other stuff. And I just point
blank told him, baby, I don't, I don't. That's not
going to happen if you take this as your first job. Yep,
it's not a good job. And I think he got it.
And I told him, I said, don't get me wrong,
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you have to take a job like this to get started.
But it's not like the old days where you could
go into a place at twenty four twenty five years
old and get a head coaching job, go into that
situation and stay there for thirty years and get it
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turned around. And people had the patience with you to
do that, and you could build something now. And to
your point, I think, you know, for the past ten
or fifteen years, we can look at each classification in
August and just by word of mouth and just by
looking at people on the hoof, we know within five teams,
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who's probably gonna be in the final four and who,
as we like to say, unless the bus breaks down
or they screw it up, this bunch should win it.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
And it shouldn't be that way.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Yeah, the good teams have gotten better. I mean trying
to insult somebody's intelligence. But when I say the gaps
gotten bare, I mean the good teams have gotten better.
I mean the good teams are really good, and the
bad teams have gotten worse. And what I'm saying is
if there's and this is true in every state, it's
not just Georgia. So if there's ten bad jobs in
your classification in bad jobs, there might be one of them,
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maybe two, that you get in there and do the
right things and get organized and get a plan, you
can get better pretty quick. I felt like it used
to be if there was ten bad jobs, six or
seven of them just needed to get their stuff together right.
They just need to get in there and get organized
and get the right guys in there and get the
principal behind you. And I feel for the guys now
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that have to take that job. And the reason I'm
bringing that up is because of this, And this's what
I'm trying to throw you some some credibility here. The
reason that people listen to your commentary for twenty years
or twenty five years is it been fairly accurate. There's
a lot of people who want to do what you
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and I do on social media, right. The difference is
having some content that's helped with. So if I'm trying
to help coaches get organized, my argument would be, if
you want to do that, good for you, you better
have something that actually gets some organized. Don't try to
trick them one time into buying one thing or whatever.
Have something that when they did it, they're like, that
was better. And when I go to you for advice
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for a job, I'm gonna come back because what you
told me was probably right. You see what I'm trying
to say. So everybody thinks taying lists, who's oh, put
jobs are open? Anybody can do that, right, but not
anybody can tell you some real talk advice. It's what
I'm trying to say. And when you list your jobs,
I know you do it funny. You're a funny guy,
and you're gonna list some funny stuff, But it's real
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talking their jobs. Now, the job you says the good
is a good job, and the job he says not,
probably not. I mean, you're gonna be wrong occasionally, like everybody,
but the reason you keep doing it and you keep
getting credibility is because you're often right. And so I
hate that some of these jobs are what you have
to say about them, but they are man.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
So I don't want people to make misinformed decisions, and
I don't want them to I don't want a young
coach to go down dirt road when they can go
down pave road. I don't want to make the same
mistakes I made when I was a young coach, because
the landscape has changed so much now as it then
it was when we were coming along. And now if
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you take you get one shot, and if you screw
it up, you might not get another one. And if
you go in there thinking that it's gonna be a
certain way, and then you get there and after about
three months you start looking crazy at everybody.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
You know tried to tell you. I mean, you thought you.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Were gonna go in there because you were the hottest
thing smoking, and y'all it worked when you were a
coordinator at this place, or you were the JV left
footed kicking coach and won a state championship over here
with this bunch, and you're gonna come over here and
rub some crack magic on this little group. No, it's
like you said, the disparity between the haves and have
nots now is so great that if you're not at
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least the middle of a pack or place that's had
a tradition of doing something, you don't stand a chance.
And you know, it's like David Thrower DT it says
all the time, there's a hee more good mechanics than
our shops.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Out there.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
And there's a lot of great coaches that have been
doing it and doing it and doing it and they
just don't have the resources, or they don't have the support,
or they don't have the whatever, and they just they
love on the kids and they do it for the
right reasons. But we've got a lot of other people
out there that aren't and like you said, some of
these other resources or these other guys that are doing it.
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You know, one thing I've always prided myself is I'm
not trying to be Johnny first to report the news guy.
You know, Oh this job came open, I'm immediately gonna
post it. No, I have to see it in print.
I have to make sure it's open. And we and
you know, I pretty much know who's gonna get it.
Like right now, we knew what was going to happen
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Raven County. If you, if you pay attention, got a
pretty good idea who's gonna get the Brookstone job. You know,
that's just it's the nature of the beast. We kind
of know where the piece is fit and where it goes.
Don't make it right, don't don't.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Make me.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
That's upset about how things work out and different how
it is, but it's just the way it is. And
one of the hardest things for me, and I'm sure
this is for you too, is because we know so
many people and we're so connected with so many different coaches.
One of the hardest things for me is is if
this coach over here has a beef with this coach
over here and they try to put us in the middle. Look, man,
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y'all cannot like each other. Ah you want to, don't
drag me in the middle of it. You know I can.
I can be your friend and I can be his friend,
and I can see that y'all don't get along or
y'all have the dust stuff or whatever. But I'm not
gonna That's not gonna change my the way I approach
you to one of them. That's one of the hardest
things I think with what that is.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
And you know, now I don't have a team. I
don't have a team.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
I mean, because I don't, I'm not you know, I'm
trying to help everybody.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Right, I mean, it's hard to believe, and till you're
doing it. If people listening right now that got a
team and they wouldn't believe what I'm saying, but one
day they'll believe it. When you don't have a team,
you really can tell. I mean, I really do genuinely
pull for everybody. I hope. I know it seems cheesy,
but I don't sit around checking scores to cheer for
somebody over somebody else very often. I mean, I want
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everybody to see I like to see people be successful.
And you do have a totally different perspective. But I
tell you what stands out to me about jobs, and
I'll move office in a minute. But I know people
are listening to me and you because they want to
hear things about job. They want to know what are
some tricks to getting a job, And the truth is
go work your ass off and do a good job.
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Because Chris Parker will be some third person talk here.
Chris Parker didn't know anybody either, Like I'm from Alabama.
I just moved over and took a job where they'd
hire me and then eventually got some head jobs so
we can happen. Like, You're not gonna get a lot
of sympathy from me saying you don't know anybody. Go
meet some people, you know, like, go meet some people.
So but I will tell you this, tell me. I'm
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not gonna make you name. I'm name something names some
of the guys that are the most successful. IM not
even gonna say they're the best coaches in the state.
The most successful coaches. Okay, coach King at Carleton, Coach
appt Brooke Buford, coach Reeves at Milton, Coach Foster at Cartersville,
coach Stevenson at Calhoun. And I know there's more those
literally off the top of my head. You know what,
all those guys having common coach they got the job
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where they are like like that what Joey didn't but
he was at Carleton, before. But what I'm saying was
they were assistant coaches at a really really good place,
right so app at Buford Reeves at Milton, whether their
assistant coach a really good place, they work up, they
got the job. So if you think you're gonna take
the so and so county job this, oh and ten
for fifteen years in a row and you're gonna make
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them nine to one ten and oh and then get
the Beaufer job, that is not the way to get
the Beufer job, baby, Like, let me lay it out
for you, Like, yes, go work your ass off at
somewhere that is good, you know, and learn from somebody
who is good. And it might happen at thirty five,
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not thirty or forty, not thirty five. Like I can't
guarantee you when it's gonna happen that way. But the
place that wants to hire your asset for twenty four
years old is probably not where you want to go. Baby,
is that there? Like that's and that's what we're saying, right.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Yeah, it used to you could get away with that,
but you.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Those days are long dead gone. You might catch lightning
in a bottle because mathematically it is possible it's not probable,
but it's possible. I mean, there's a lot of things
that are possible, but mathematically the probability is very low.
But you hit the nail on the head, I mean
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the best device.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
You know.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
One of the one of the talks I give when
I speak at the coach the Year Clinic is so
you want to be a head coach, And one of
my slides is network, Go meet people you know.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Or go go where there are Go go where the
athletes are. Go. If you're a young guy and you're unfettered,
you're unmarried, you're un you're un you don't have any ties,
or your wife will pile up and go wherever. Go
to Carrollton, go to.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Cartersville, Go to Lagrange, go to Troop, go to Buford,
go to Gainesville. And if you have to be the
ninth grade tight ends coach or coach h backs, do
that and do that until they move you up to
the ninth grade offensive line coach. And do that until
you're the ninth grade offensive coordinator. And stay there because
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over the long haul, you're gonna win rings, you're gonna
win games, You're gonna be around good people, you're gonna
get exposed to more and you're gonna get better jobs.
You're not gonna do that if you're the head, if
you're the offensive coordinator at Uki Dookie High School that
like you said, well we went six and four two
years in a row and made the first round to
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play Austin.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Got So.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
It's just not like that.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
They're going up against.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
A guy that his resume says he worked at Carrollton
or Bruford or Milton, and.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
I mean administrators like that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
It really surprises me how few of people take that advice.
And I will be the first to admit that that's
not the path I took. I'm saying today when people
ask me for advice and people that know me, now
I'm putting this out in the pot, my advice is
go somewhere good. And I'm not saying it has to
be a state Championenier, but I mean, go find the
guy that you think is does the greatest job and
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it's going to be good, and you're going to compete
for every year for regions in playoff wins and go
work for them whatever job they'll give you. And that's
exactly what you said. So I hope whoever was listening
to this and need to hear that. Remind what coach said,
Listen again, that was great advice. Just go do whatever
they ask you to do at the good place and work
your way up. Now, that doesn't mean the other places
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don't need coaches too. And I'm not trying. I'm saying,
but when somebody costs me because they inevitably do whor
they email or a message or whatever, They're like, what
advice do I have for him? It feels like sometimes
they don't want to hear said advice. They give it
to them, right.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
My dad has always said that's why churches aren't full
on Sunday. Nobody wants to hear the truth.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Sometimes due to my due to my adult autism and
whatever it is, I'm very blunt and a lot of
times especially you know, that's one of the problems with
social media is you come across as rough sometimes because
you can't. People don't get your voice inflection, they don't
get it, they don't understand, and they're like, man, this
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guy's a jerk. He's really being a turd or whatever,
and I'm like, dude, I'm just trying to tell it,
like it is, and I'm gonna do that anyway. And
you know it doesn't matter to me if you take
a job you don't. I just want you not calling
me again next year, going and.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Should have listened to you.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
That was a mistake. And I'm like, well, no, you
can get in there. You got two options. You can
go in there and work your butt off and do
the best you can and love on those kids and
give them an experience this work you know that they
deserve to have and do the best you can. Or
you can do what you said and go work for
somebody else. Take a step back, shelf your ego for
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a little while and think big.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Picture absolutely, and man, there is some great coaches out there.
I mean a great one, all ages, all places like
go find some learn from them. So I wanna shift
gears with it's speaking of great coaches. I want you
to talk to people that don't know a little bit
about the Sun Coaches podcast, maybe a little bit about
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how they got started. Then talk to me about some
of the guests. Talk to me about what's been some
of your favorite moments. Give somebody that's about to turn
this off and start turning yours on what they gonna hear.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
About the The idea is James Thompson, who's now the
head coach that just took South forth Sight's job. This
is all his ideas. So if you listen to it
and you hate it, or you know, you don't like
me or whatever, you.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Can blame it on James. This was all as James
Thompson T H O M S O.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Now, James's James's great people. Anybody knows James. He's He's
one of the best humans I've ever met. And he
approached me about, you know, helping with the clinic down
in Orlando and all this other stuff and really got
me into it, and he.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Was like, hey, we need to do why don't you
do a podcast.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
I'm like, man, I don't know anything about technology or
any any of those things. I don't I mean, you've
had to show, you've had you've helped me set up calendar.
I mean I don't know how to do any of
that stuff and and zoom. I don't know how to
do any of those things. And so anyway, James got
it started. He came up with the name, and his
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idea was for it to be coaches telling funny stories
like we do when we get together at the clinic,
and I said, well, not everybody's funny, and not everybody's
willing to tell the stories that we tell when.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
We get together.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Yes see, you hit me with the second one. I
can't tell all them stories on here.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
And I tell people we'll change the names to protect
the innocent, but there's really nobody that's innocent.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
But so that's how it it kind of got started.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
So you know, we're in season five and we do
twenty five episodes a season, and we release an episode
every Tuesday and Thursday, and I try to release them
at five thirty in the morning because I found out
that most people they're driving into work and they want
to listen to or or when they drive home, they
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want to be able to listen to coaches tell their story. Well,
what I do, or what I decided to do, is
I just let coaches tell their story. Now, I've had
some guys on there that they're great storytellers and they
tell funny stories about what's happened while they've coached, and
those have been some of my favorites. But I've also
enjoyed guys that I don't really know just listening to
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them tell their stories, and it always I don't have
I'm like you, I shoot from the hip. I don't
have structured questions. I don't have They all basically go
the same way. Hey, coach Parker, tell us where you
grew up, where'd you go to school? Oh, did you
play college ball?
Speaker 2 (26:38):
So? What was your first job?
Speaker 3 (26:40):
And then whatever comes to my little pea brain while
I'm listening, and I'm like, oh, and then where'd you
go after that?
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Oh? That's cool, you know, And then you know whatever.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
At the end, we talk about modern you know, what
do you think about, you know, issues and coaching today
or how have things changed now? This season, season five
is it's called the Legends Series, and so far it's
been one of my favorites because I sat down and
came up with a list of people who I consider
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legends in the state of Georgia.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
And they're all one hundred and fifty two hundred game
multiple state championship winners. We're on episode eight or nine
right now, I think. And we started with coach Alan Chadwick.
Then we had coach Charles Winsley, then we had coach
Jeff Herron. I've had this week Franklin Stevens and Rich Finley.
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We released those. I had to have some younger legends,
guys that have won multiple state.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Championship appreciate that younger reference. That's the only room where
they're the young guys in.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
But yeah, oh yeah, and then you know, I'm gonna
have Coach Holmes is gonna be on there, Milton Miller,
I'm gonna try to get Coach Bohannon on there. Danny
Chronic's going to be on there. I think we're trying
to get Coach Hodges.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
I mean, just guys.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Coach car DU's been on their Raven's been on their rants,
has been on there. You know, just guys that some
of the young coaches, they may have heard of these guys,
but they don't know their story. You know, they may
have you know, they're retired now or they're not coaching anymore,
and they're like, I'm gonna have Dwight Jones on there
because he's a legend to me, you know, anybody that's
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turned around some of the programs that he's turned around.
When he could have gone anywhere he wanted to, but
he decided not to. He decided to go in and
build rebuild places, and you know Sam Barrs, you know
people that just you know, they might not have won
multiple state championships, by god, they did it a long
time and they won a lot of games. And I've
already had some guys already on there, like Ed Dudley
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and Rich McCarter and Eric Parker who are legends, and
I may re release them in this Legends series just
at homage to them, because they are legends and so,
but you know, I've had guys out of Florida. You know,
when we set up at the clinic, I'll sit in
the hospitality suite and the college coach will come in there,
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and we'll have the podcast stuff set up and on
the TV, we'll have our logo and everything, and I'm
just sitting in there watching Golf Channel usually and they'll
point and go, what's that over there?
Speaker 2 (29:16):
And we'll tell them.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
They'll go, well, I'll do it okay, And we'll sit
down and record with them, and I can knock out
ten or twelve episodes. Now they're shorter, usually about thirty minutes,
but you know mine are usually forty five minutes to
an hour. Now with these legends, some of them are
going an hour and fifteen hour and a half I've
found on there. You know, they just because I let
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them go, I don't I'm not gonna tell one of
them to be quiet, you know, i'most say And I'm
usually sitting back there just smiling like a fanboy because
I love listening, because it's the way I used to
be at the clinic. I go listen to Coach Pilcher
and Coach Griff and those guys. Those old heads just.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Tell stories and that's what I like, and that's how
I learned coach.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
So that's why people listening need to go listen to
those That's an archive that'll be there for a long
time too, you know. And I really enjoyed listening. I
learned a lot. I mean, I know these people and
i've heard talk to them, but but I've learned a lot.
And if you think I tell you what stands out
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to me the most about the legends, and we've talked
to you plenty on here too, they got a story too.
They've got a story where something didn't go their way.
They've got a story where they were getting run off somewhere,
or they were about to be or they took the
wrong job, or they got passed over, or they were
in the place that was horrible, you know what I'm saying,
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Like they weren't. I think sometimes we see coach so
and so for what they are at the end of
their career, but we don't know, Like they didn't always
win all them state championships. They had a lot of doubt.
They had a lot of doubt at some point, and
people didn't look at rich Finley. I talked to him
time richest team, and they really struggled when he got
to Bouton And the second year they're better Thirlier one
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compete for state championship, but that first year is tough. Now,
So I like to ask him, like I feel like
everybody else asking about state championship. I want to know
about the bad time.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Well, that's that resonates, Like next week I'm gonna have
coach Barden's gonna be on there, and he brings that up.
He's like everybody forgets I started out at pickings my
first two years and I didn't have any business getting
the Cartersville job, but I got lucky, you know. I mean,
he talks about that and just you know that. That's
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my favorite thing is that And my other favorite thing
about the Legend series, there's three things.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
There's that part, there's them talking about.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Every one of them, every one of the old heads
is like, when things aren't good, leave, just leave because
it's easier for you to leave. And instead of calls
him miss and calls drama and the community up, just
get your stuff and go somewhere else.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
And I'm like, you know what, You're right. The older
I get, the more that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
And my other favorite thing is is when I ask them,
who are your favorite people that you competed against? Your friends,
Guys that you just whether they tore you up or
you tore them up, that you just respected and loved
going against every Friday night over the years, and just
listening to their voices change because there was a different
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respect and brotherhood back then and when we were coming
up then, I think there is now.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
I think the technology has made it better for coaches
to learn football things like this that we didn't have
coming up. But it's not as personable, you know it,
Like you don't go to the McDonald's and uh swat
films and bullshit, you know what I mean? Like you
just don't you don't go when you clinic, you're maybe
clinicing like this to some degree instead of you know,
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going in holding up the whole weekend with somebody or
you know what I mean, like that they do miss
The other guys did have much closer relationships. They really did.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Yeah, there ain't a whole lot of drawing on mirrors
and hotel rooms and napkins, yeah, and doing stuff like that,
and and or you know, I don't even see a
lot of the younger guys go out there and hug
on each other before the game at the fifty yard
line and fellowship with each other.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Well, there's an understanding there used to be a little
more of an understanding that we were all gonna win
and we were all gonna lose at some time. But
and it was okay to hate that other team for
you know, for four quarters. But you know, those were
those were people you know that just like you and
I used to always say, coaching is the only business
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where you can be coking pepsi and you share each
other secrets. You can be friends, you know, like other
business don't do that. But like, yeah, we try to
kill the guys in the game and then were black
best friends with them. After the game on them what
we did, what we didn't do, you know, and people
don't do that, man. And I do think now you
see a little more of it's a little more business
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like maybe, And I guess that's something I hate for
I do hate, you know. Every now and then I
make a few posts that I've written, these blogs, and
I'll repost them every now and then once a year
or something. And one of them was like things that
I hate that are different and things that like I
hate the young guys didn't get to see, you know
what I mean, Like, because there's some great young guys.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
I don't want to think we're like, oh yeah, brilliant.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
They just but I do hate they didn't know some
of the stuff I knew, Like I feel fortunate to
have come up at kind of the end of that,
you know, and know most of the names you just said,
you know what I mean, and and that I didn't
realize that at the time, but now I feel very
fortunate to have been able to see the current football
house done now and to see how it was done,
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you know, back then. So what advice you got for
these guys? Any last words for anybody that's like, man,
what do. We gotta do what's got to be at
what's got to make things better. Let's talk about something positive. Then,
what's something that's got to get better. That's you know,
that's like like, stell me on, I want to be
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a young coach.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
Well, you're still working with kids, And to me, that's
the that's the most important thing.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
I don't care.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
You know, we need as many good mechanics and every
shop that we can get right, whether it's a good shop,
a bad shop, or or whatever. And Hookie Dookie High
School needs coaches just like Gainesville, Buford, Carrollton and Milton
and all the rest of them. They need good coaches too,
and they need people that are going to invest in
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young people because every kid needs a person, and you
can be their person. And you can be the worst
coach in the history of ever. I'm living proof of it.
I might be the worst whatever you decide I'm gonna coach.
I may be terrible at that.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
But what I am good at is I'm good with
youngins and I'm a good.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
Kid person. And I may be the worst maths teacher
in the world or the worst whatever, but I am
good with youngins and I love on them, and I'm
a lot of them. I'm their person, and I encourage
anybody that wants to get in this business. If you're
in it for that reason, all the other stuff will
take it'll work itself out. If you put yourself around
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good people, and you put yourself in a good place,
and you put the kids first, and you do right
by the kids. It may be naive, but I still
believe that if you do right by kids, and you
do you treat every one of them like they're your
young and and how you'd want your child to be treated,
I still believe that that's the best thing on the
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planet that there is for you that you could ever do.
And that might mean that you have to discipline them,
that might mean that you have to hug their neck,
that might mean that you have to go pick them
up because they broke down. But that might mean that
you have to go put your arm around them and
cry with them because their mama died. That's the best
thing in the world that you could ever do. And
for them to call you on Father's Day years later
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and say thank you, there ain't nothing like it, And
it's better than any state championship. I've never won one
but I'm not unfulfilled. I got five years left before
I can retire, and don't I don't begrudge anything, any
decision I've ever made, because I have been blessed to
be around good people, and I've been blessed to be
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able to affect the lives of a lot of young men,
but not nearly as much as those young people have
affected me.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Man, that's a good word right there. It's rare that
I have nothing to add, but I have nothing to
add to that. That was awesome. So that really was
people need to listen to that. I was a great coach.
Good answer. I appreciate good answer.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Good answer.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Like I said, I I had nothing to that was.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
That's really how I feel that that's that is, that
is my wife.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
I mean, you think about it is most times we
take away from our family and our children to raise
other people's children.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
You better love them children.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
Now sometimes you you want to like them always, but
you ain't got to like them, but you gotta love
them because you're you may be all they have, and
for a lot of them, we are all there, and
and it's important that we put good men in front
of them, you know, because it's important you know, whether
whether you're coaching females or males, it don't matter. They're
kids and they're gonna make mistakes and they're gonna do
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dumb things, but they need guidance and they need understanding.
Now I'm not saying baby, and I'm not saying let
them get away with holy hell t terror, but you know,
you gotta you gotta let them be kids and let
them make mistakes and no point in the right direction.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Well I'm glad you said, because I don't want to.
You know, we're not the young guys anymore. Okay, we
were at one point, but we're not anymore. And I
definitely don't want to come across as the old guys,
like get off my lawn, like we had nothing positive
to say. Everything you said was exactly what makes this
a great job. But even though I haven't coached the
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team in a little while and I'm at the central office,
this is a hobby for me, it doesn't it's not
lucrative at all. I want to do this because I
still love being around just being around it. I just
like being around guys like you, you know, because it
was so impactful on me. So don't ever mistake us
talking about what you ought to be doing for saying
we don't still think this is the greatest thing ever,
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because it is right, I mean, and I just think
sometimes you got to remind that. I don't always think
I'm complaining.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
Oh no, I mean, no, I'm not. I'm not complaining
about anything. I'm just I just tell it like you know,
it just like it is.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Is it just?
Speaker 2 (40:01):
You know?
Speaker 3 (40:01):
And if it sounds like you know some things they're
not great, Let's be honest. You know, I'm not a
big fan. There's a lot of things I'm not a
big fan of.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
But what you're not a big fan of. I know
I'm supposed to be going, but transferred.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
Some things I'm not a big fan of.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
Those things we're not a big fan of. Now we've
said something nice, we can go back to rant and
that's what people want to.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
Things I'm not a big fan of. Not a big
fan of the GHSA. I'm not a big fan of.
I think, uh, the we've outgrown it. I'm not even
going to get into all of that. I'm not a
big fan of the way the games change. I agree
with a lot of the legends have said that, Uh,
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it's supposed to be extracurricular activities, and everything's bled down,
you know, pro to college, college to high school, and
we're supposed to be providing extracurricular activities. Things they don't
get into classroom, things like that. I'm not a big
fan of us getting away from that, and I'm not
I'm not a big fan one of us making things
year round, you knows.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
But you know, I mean that's just a lot of
that society.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
That's just society.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
But I don't have anything to hear.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
They want to hear us a bit about it, right,
I mean, that's that's what you know, That's what we
got to be old eds, that's what they came here for.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
Yeah, I mean we're Generation X. I mean we're that's
what we do. But you know what, we suck it
up and we go.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
That's right. You can't asked the players to be tough
if the coaches ain't tough.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Remember that's right.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
So coach, seriously, if you listen to this, son, coaches
check it out. I mean, some dudes on there so legends.
So like I checked my phone every day to see
if coach called me, but I noticed he hadn't because
I ain't want enough games to be a legend. So
I just listened to the Legends.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
Well you're a different kind of Legends. Yeah, I've already
been told I'm gonna have to do a Legends part two.
I'm gonna have to do a Legends for Florida. I
gotta do a Legends Alabama, a legend, South Carolin, legis Tennessee,
And I'm going to reach out in season six. I'm
trying to branch out and get Alabama, South Carolina, and
Tennessee guys involved because we really have a pretty big
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listening in the southeast, really, and I've had some guys
from Florida, but you know, just growing it. Mostly Georgia
right now is where most of the listeners, you know,
where we get most of the listeners from. And I've
even had some guys from Virginia and Texas and places
like that, but you know, i'd eventually like to get it.
We have a son coaches West that's out of Utah.
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They're working out there, so James knows some folks out there,
so they.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
Through his church.
Speaker 3 (42:43):
They and guys that he's coached with out there and
went to school with, and they We've got a son
coaches West and they they they're running the podcast.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
Out there and doing the same kind of thing, just
different states.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
So I mean, I mean, I love hearing people's stories.
You can pick things up, you know, And I think
most importantly when you talk like this, people can identify
with you as a you know, they see some things
they're going through in your talk, you know. And I
kind of aim with this. I listened to uh, you know,
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coach Tavo works for US now and Pickings. Uh he
was on there. Anybody knows coach Pevo. He's awesome. Yeah,
he did not tell any funny stories. That ain't his style,
but he's a great guy. He is awesome. But I
listened to it and I learned a lot about him,
you know what I mean. And just an example, like
I mean, this guy works in our district. I've known
him a long time. Great guy. But you know, I
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don't know who you ever sat down and just told
me what all? You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (43:44):
And that's what I love about it.
Speaker 3 (43:45):
I love hearing people's stories and I want to get
every coach on their venture because everybody has a story
and how they got to where they are.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
And what they do and to me.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
That's just fascinating. Like, it just fascinates me. I don't
care if they're old, young, been doing it for thirty
years or two years, it doesn't matter to me. I mean,
it's just interesting to me.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
Yeah, it really is. Well, Coach, I appreciate you taking
this time to joining me. I said I was gonna
go shorter. I didn't apologize, but always good to talk
to me.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
My man, you too, I should appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
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time by our good friend and a friend of every
coach in the state of Georgia, Coach Chris Lamb, the
Man of Constance Sorrow, the Son Coaches coach today. First,
welcome you. But I'm gonna tell you this. You on
my show now, so I get to ask the questions.
You got to answer them. You don't get to ask
any today. How about that sounds good?
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Doctor.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Hey coach, seriously, man, thanks for joining me. Anybody that's
you know, around the state of Georgia, uh knows you
and knows your work and the services you do for coaches.
And you know, I try to do something. We don't
do the same stuff, but we're both serving and really
glad you took some time to talk to me today.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Man, well, thanks for having me on. And I always
tell people that you know, the things that you do.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
I try to be like you. I want to be
you when I grow up. So it's pretty cool to
you know, do a collab together. And and like you said,
we we serve in different ways. And absolutely and definitely
you what you put out for the coaches, and if
people can't learn something from from your work, then they're
not trying.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Man. That means a lot, Coach. You know, we got people.
One thing that's maybe a little bit different about ours
is about half the p you know, we can see
where are people listening from, and about half the people
are from Georgia, but about half aren't. And so if
you're not familiar with Coach lamb Son Coaches podcasts, need
to check it out. Because it's not for it's a
lot of Georgia people, right, but you get some lessons
(02:28):
across the board. So let's back up before we even
get to your podcast, which is awesome by the way,
and let's talk about how you got there. So back
in the day, for those of it don't understand, you
got on the Internet and you got on the some
kind of message board or something like that to figure
out where the jobs were. And that's how I knew coach.
(02:49):
He was the only guy in Georgia that knew what
jobs were open because it wasn't like social media now.
So tell anybody that doesn't know you kind of how
you became this servant because you're just a football coach.
You're you're not you're not a reporter, nothing like that.
You're a football coach. But how did you become the
guy that knows all the jobs?
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Well, it started with at two Brute was the guy
on the Georgia Varsity Sports event. And when I first
got started in ninety nine two thousand, I was always
curious as a young coach when people would get jobs.
I wanted to know how how did so and so
get that job? Like, how does he know.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
You?
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Know, like coach Tgue for instance, how did Raven get
from Lafayette to like how did he get the Lafayette job?
How did you know? And then oh, well he worked
for coach Henderson. Oh okay. And then I started learning
about the coaching trees. It was just a hobby to me.
I was just interested in learning the coaching trees. And
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then you know, over time, uh Edtu Brute quit doing.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
It and kind of passed it off to me.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
And I knew so many people in the coaching business,
and we talk and we kind of had an unwritten
rule about, you know, rules about how we were going
to approach it. And we weren't going to put people's
names out there. We were going to use initials, and
we weren't going to put initials on there until it
was the interview process, and we were going to respect
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you know, people's privacy and things like that because we
don't want to out anybody and get them in trouble
with their current employer. And it was just kind of
a gentleman's agreement of how we would do go about
the business. And that's basically how it got started. And
then it just snowballed into a big thing. And then
when Twitter came along, a buddy of mine said, man,
it's the perfect.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Platform for you. You need to get on it because
you say funny things and you look at things differently,
and this is you know, you need to look into that.
So that's kind of how that came about.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Well, coach, you know, it seems kind of trivial today
because so many people can report on Twitter, Facebook or whatever.
So and so stepped down, so and so's getting hired.
We heard that, but it wasn't like that then. So,
I mean, I thought it was a great service. But
what that hobby became is a platform where you learned
(05:17):
a lot. So you got a lot of knowledge on trends,
you got a lot of knowledge on what it takes,
what you've seen, what stands out, And I didn't give
you these questions ahead of time, so it's like a
blanket statement just what stands out as like the number
one thing you've learned from that time in ninety nine
to today about coaching.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Jobs, it's still about who you know, and more importantly
these days than back then, it's about the administrators. You know,
knowing administrators because back then, if you knew the right
head coaches they could help you, and they still can
to an extent. But you know, and you know, back then,
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like when you, you and I came up at the
same time and we're we're we're in the same age
group and age bracket and same coaching trees and things
like that, and you know, we would we would apply
for head coaching jobs and we'd get a college coach
to call for us, or we'd get coach Miller, coach
Hodges or you know, coach Walker or somebody like that
to call for us, and they could really really help us.
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And they still can a little bit in some places.
But these days you really need an end with an administrator,
whether it's an athletic director or a county you know,
board office employee, or a superintendent or a principal. It's
going to help you more now than then. But it's
still about who you know, it's still about networking, it's
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still about things of that nature.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
That hasn't changed.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
I don't think, yeah, I agree when you say, though
there's a there's a pre significant less number of administrators
who would have the background that you and I I have.
That doesn't mean there's not some there's still some. Oh,
That's why those networks become so important because you get
an administrator who didn't coach football, but they really want
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to take this opportunity to hire a football coach. Say
not a bad person. I don't mean to throw any
shade on that, right, but they just don't know about football,
but they're really excited to hire the football coach.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Right absolutely.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
And that's you know, that's why we've kind of branched out,
you know, with Parker Resources and son coaches. We're kind
of in the same you know, sphere with that is
that you know, we'll provide you know, if you if
you want to.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
You know, I've got several administrators.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
They'll call me in and say, you know me, you
know what I want, give me five names that they
can't miss. So basically, we'll vet them for you. We'll
take care of your first and second rounds for you.
I'll put five in front of you. Here you go,
let's not waste anybody's time. Get them in there, let's go.
Whatever you want. You tell me what you want, want
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I can put and you're the same way. We can
five guys in front of you that you want. And
you know it's because there's so many administrators these days too,
that they really don't care about athletics and good bad
are indifferent. That's just not their thing, that's not They
have an administrator that that's what they're in charge of,
whether it's their athletic director or an assistant principal that
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looks over that. But to me, they're just they're just
checking a box. They're like, oh, we need a head
football coach. Let's get this done. Let's get this over
with so I can go back to run the school,
because that's just not that's not the most important thing
to them, which is understandable. You know, us as coaches,
we think that it's the most important thing, where most
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administrators it's not top five.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
And I mean that's just different.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
They get a lot of different pressures on them, you know,
I know, I supervisor principles and all. They get different
pressures on them than they did twenty thirty years ago,
where their job was to run the building, right, run
the building, make it fun place to be, build some culture.
Now it's about a lot and it's about that, but
a lot more things. And so yeah, you're you're gonna
see a mixed bag of administrators. You're gonna see people
really into the tiring process, not at all. People very
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knowledgeable of what they need, people not at all. And
I tell you something I've seen is a growing gap.
And I'm curious what you think about this a grow
It is a very bigger gap now between the haves
and have nots, and that the schools. I mean, like,
I feel like when we were younger and you were
trying for a job, and I'm one of the reasons
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I'm sitting in front of you right now is because
I took a job was horrible and made them decent
right twice. So I don't I think that's harder than
it's ever been to do. Like that's easy for me
to say, because I don't know that the people taking
those jobs now have the same chance to make them good,
is I did? Like, I think that there's a gap.
So you can disagree with me on that too, By
the way, I'm fine with that, But what do you
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think about it? Like that gap between the good team
and the place is struggling, that place that's struggle, it's
harder to turn around than it used to be, would
be my opinion. What do you think?
Speaker 2 (10:05):
I agree?
Speaker 3 (10:06):
I mean, I think I upset a younger coach at
the Coach of the Year clinic in Orlando. I was
running the I run the hospitality suite for them down
there and speak and whatever. But we were up there
and a younger coach was asking me about a job
that had.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Come open and I.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
And his goal is to, you know, be one of
the legends and win one hundred and fifty two hundred
games and all this other stuff. And I just point
blank told him, baby, I don't, I don't. That's not
going to happen if you take this as your first job. Yep,
it's not a good job. And I think he got it.
And I told him, I said, don't get me wrong,
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you have to take a job like this to get started.
But it's not like the old days where you could
go into a place at twenty four twenty five years
old and get a head coaching job, go into that
situation and stay there for thirty years and get it
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turned around. And people had the patience with you to
do that, and you could build something now. And to
your point, I think, you know, for the past ten
or fifteen years, we can look at each classification in
August and just by word of mouth and just by
looking at people on the hoof, we know within five teams,
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who's probably gonna be in the final four and who,
as we like to say, unless the bus breaks down
or they screw it up, this bunch should win it.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
And it shouldn't be that way.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Yeah, the good teams have gotten better. I mean trying
to insult somebody's intelligence. But when I say the gaps
gotten bare, I mean the good teams have gotten better.
I mean the good teams are really good, and the
bad teams have gotten worse. And what I'm saying is
if there's and this is true in every state, it's
not just Georgia. So if there's ten bad jobs in
your classification in bad jobs, there might be one of them,
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maybe two, that you get in there and do the
right things and get organized and get a plan, you
can get better pretty quick. I felt like it used
to be if there was ten bad jobs, six or
seven of them just needed to get their stuff together right.
They just need to get in there and get organized
and get the right guys in there and get the
principal behind you. And I feel for the guys now
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that have to take that job. And the reason I'm
bringing that up is because of this, And this's what
I'm trying to throw you some some credibility here. The
reason that people listen to your commentary for twenty years
or twenty five years is it been fairly accurate. There's
a lot of people who want to do what you
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and I do on social media, right. The difference is
having some content that's helped with. So if I'm trying
to help coaches get organized, my argument would be, if
you want to do that, good for you, you better
have something that actually gets some organized. Don't try to
trick them one time into buying one thing or whatever.
Have something that when they did it, they're like, that
was better. And when I go to you for advice
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for a job, I'm gonna come back because what you
told me was probably right. You see what I'm trying
to say. So everybody thinks taying lists, who's oh, put
jobs are open? Anybody can do that, right, but not
anybody can tell you some real talk advice. It's what
I'm trying to say. And when you list your jobs,
I know you do it funny. You're a funny guy,
and you're gonna list some funny stuff, But it's real
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talking their jobs. Now, the job you says the good
is a good job, and the job he says not,
probably not. I mean, you're gonna be wrong occasionally, like everybody,
but the reason you keep doing it and you keep
getting credibility is because you're often right. And so I
hate that some of these jobs are what you have
to say about them, but they are man.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
So I don't want people to make misinformed decisions, and
I don't want them to I don't want a young
coach to go down dirt road when they can go
down pave road. I don't want to make the same
mistakes I made when I was a young coach, because
the landscape has changed so much now as it then
it was when we were coming along. And now if
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you take you get one shot, and if you screw
it up, you might not get another one. And if
you go in there thinking that it's gonna be a
certain way, and then you get there and after about
three months you start looking crazy at everybody.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
You know tried to tell you. I mean, you thought you.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Were gonna go in there because you were the hottest
thing smoking, and y'all it worked when you were a
coordinator at this place, or you were the JV left
footed kicking coach and won a state championship over here
with this bunch, and you're gonna come over here and
rub some crack magic on this little group. No, it's
like you said, the disparity between the haves and have
nots now is so great that if you're not at
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least the middle of a pack or place that's had
a tradition of doing something, you don't stand a chance.
And you know, it's like David Thrower DT it says
all the time, there's a hee more good mechanics than
our shops.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Out there.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
And there's a lot of great coaches that have been
doing it and doing it and doing it and they
just don't have the resources, or they don't have the support,
or they don't have the whatever, and they just they
love on the kids and they do it for the
right reasons. But we've got a lot of other people
out there that aren't and like you said, some of
these other resources or these other guys that are doing it.
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You know, one thing I've always prided myself is I'm
not trying to be Johnny first to report the news guy.
You know, Oh this job came open, I'm immediately gonna
post it. No, I have to see it in print.
I have to make sure it's open. And we and
you know, I pretty much know who's gonna get it.
Like right now, we knew what was going to happen
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Raven County. If you, if you pay attention, got a
pretty good idea who's gonna get the Brookstone job. You know,
that's just it's the nature of the beast. We kind
of know where the piece is fit and where it goes.
Don't make it right, don't don't.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Make me.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
That's upset about how things work out and different how
it is, but it's just the way it is. And
one of the hardest things for me, and I'm sure
this is for you too, is because we know so
many people and we're so connected with so many different coaches.
One of the hardest things for me is is if
this coach over here has a beef with this coach
over here and they try to put us in the middle. Look, man,
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y'all cannot like each other. Ah you want to, don't
drag me in the middle of it. You know I can.
I can be your friend and I can be his friend,
and I can see that y'all don't get along or
y'all have the dust stuff or whatever. But I'm not
gonna That's not gonna change my the way I approach
you to one of them. That's one of the hardest
things I think with what that is.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
And you know, now I don't have a team. I
don't have a team.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
I mean, because I don't, I'm not you know, I'm
trying to help everybody.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Right, I mean, it's hard to believe, and till you're
doing it. If people listening right now that got a
team and they wouldn't believe what I'm saying, but one
day they'll believe it. When you don't have a team,
you really can tell. I mean, I really do genuinely
pull for everybody. I hope. I know it seems cheesy,
but I don't sit around checking scores to cheer for
somebody over somebody else very often. I mean, I want
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everybody to see I like to see people be successful.
And you do have a totally different perspective. But I
tell you what stands out to me about jobs, and
I'll move office in a minute. But I know people
are listening to me and you because they want to
hear things about job. They want to know what are
some tricks to getting a job, And the truth is
go work your ass off and do a good job.
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Because Chris Parker will be some third person talk here.
Chris Parker didn't know anybody either, Like I'm from Alabama.
I just moved over and took a job where they'd
hire me and then eventually got some head jobs so
we can happen. Like, You're not gonna get a lot
of sympathy from me saying you don't know anybody. Go
meet some people, you know, like, go meet some people.
So but I will tell you this, tell me. I'm
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not gonna make you name. I'm name something names some
of the guys that are the most successful. IM not
even gonna say they're the best coaches in the state.
The most successful coaches. Okay, coach King at Carleton, Coach
appt Brooke Buford, coach Reeves at Milton, Coach Foster at Cartersville,
coach Stevenson at Calhoun. And I know there's more those
literally off the top of my head. You know what,
all those guys having common coach they got the job
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where they are like like that what Joey didn't but
he was at Carleton, before. But what I'm saying was
they were assistant coaches at a really really good place,
right so app at Buford Reeves at Milton, whether their
assistant coach a really good place, they work up, they
got the job. So if you think you're gonna take
the so and so county job this, oh and ten
for fifteen years in a row and you're gonna make
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them nine to one ten and oh and then get
the Beaufer job, that is not the way to get
the Beufer job, baby, Like, let me lay it out
for you, Like, yes, go work your ass off at
somewhere that is good, you know, and learn from somebody
who is good. And it might happen at thirty five,
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not thirty or forty, not thirty five. Like I can't
guarantee you when it's gonna happen that way. But the
place that wants to hire your asset for twenty four
years old is probably not where you want to go. Baby,
is that there? Like that's and that's what we're saying, right.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Yeah, it used to you could get away with that,
but you.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Those days are long dead gone. You might catch lightning
in a bottle because mathematically it is possible it's not probable,
but it's possible. I mean, there's a lot of things
that are possible, but mathematically the probability is very low.
But you hit the nail on the head, I mean
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the best device.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
You know.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
One of the one of the talks I give when
I speak at the coach the Year Clinic is so
you want to be a head coach, And one of
my slides is network, Go meet people you know.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Or go go where there are Go go where the
athletes are. Go. If you're a young guy and you're unfettered,
you're unmarried, you're un you're un you don't have any ties,
or your wife will pile up and go wherever. Go
to Carrollton, go to.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Cartersville, Go to Lagrange, go to Troop, go to Buford,
go to Gainesville. And if you have to be the
ninth grade tight ends coach or coach h backs, do
that and do that until they move you up to
the ninth grade offensive line coach. And do that until
you're the ninth grade offensive coordinator. And stay there because
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over the long haul, you're gonna win rings, you're gonna
win games, You're gonna be around good people, you're gonna
get exposed to more and you're gonna get better jobs.
You're not gonna do that if you're the head, if
you're the offensive coordinator at Uki Dookie High School that
like you said, well we went six and four two
years in a row and made the first round to
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play Austin.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Got So.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
It's just not like that.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
They're going up against.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
A guy that his resume says he worked at Carrollton
or Bruford or Milton, and.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
I mean administrators like that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
It really surprises me how few of people take that advice.
And I will be the first to admit that that's
not the path I took. I'm saying today when people
ask me for advice and people that know me, now
I'm putting this out in the pot, my advice is
go somewhere good. And I'm not saying it has to
be a state Championenier, but I mean, go find the
guy that you think is does the greatest job and
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it's going to be good, and you're going to compete
for every year for regions in playoff wins and go
work for them whatever job they'll give you. And that's
exactly what you said. So I hope whoever was listening
to this and need to hear that. Remind what coach said,
Listen again, that was great advice. Just go do whatever
they ask you to do at the good place and work
your way up. Now, that doesn't mean the other places
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don't need coaches too. And I'm not trying. I'm saying,
but when somebody costs me because they inevitably do whor
they email or a message or whatever, They're like, what
advice do I have for him? It feels like sometimes
they don't want to hear said advice. They give it
to them, right.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
My dad has always said that's why churches aren't full
on Sunday. Nobody wants to hear the truth.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Sometimes due to my due to my adult autism and
whatever it is, I'm very blunt and a lot of
times especially you know, that's one of the problems with
social media is you come across as rough sometimes because
you can't. People don't get your voice inflection, they don't
get it, they don't understand, and they're like, man, this
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guy's a jerk. He's really being a turd or whatever,
and I'm like, dude, I'm just trying to tell it,
like it is, and I'm gonna do that anyway. And
you know it doesn't matter to me if you take
a job you don't. I just want you not calling
me again next year, going and.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Should have listened to you.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
That was a mistake. And I'm like, well, no, you
can get in there. You got two options. You can
go in there and work your butt off and do
the best you can and love on those kids and
give them an experience this work you know that they
deserve to have and do the best you can. Or
you can do what you said and go work for
somebody else. Take a step back, shelf your ego for
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a little while and think big.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Picture absolutely, and man, there is some great coaches out there.
I mean a great one, all ages, all places like
go find some learn from them. So I wanna shift
gears with it's speaking of great coaches. I want you
to talk to people that don't know a little bit
about the Sun Coaches podcast, maybe a little bit about
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how they got started. Then talk to me about some
of the guests. Talk to me about what's been some
of your favorite moments. Give somebody that's about to turn
this off and start turning yours on what they gonna hear.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
About the The idea is James Thompson, who's now the
head coach that just took South forth Sight's job. This
is all his ideas. So if you listen to it
and you hate it, or you know, you don't like
me or whatever, you.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Can blame it on James. This was all as James
Thompson T H O M S O.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Now, James's James's great people. Anybody knows James. He's He's
one of the best humans I've ever met. And he
approached me about, you know, helping with the clinic down
in Orlando and all this other stuff and really got
me into it, and he.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Was like, hey, we need to do why don't you
do a podcast.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
I'm like, man, I don't know anything about technology or
any any of those things. I don't I mean, you've
had to show, you've had you've helped me set up calendar.
I mean I don't know how to do any of
that stuff and and zoom. I don't know how to
do any of those things. And so anyway, James got
it started. He came up with the name, and his
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idea was for it to be coaches telling funny stories
like we do when we get together at the clinic,
and I said, well, not everybody's funny, and not everybody's
willing to tell the stories that we tell when.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
We get together.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Yes see, you hit me with the second one. I
can't tell all them stories on here.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
And I tell people we'll change the names to protect
the innocent, but there's really nobody that's innocent.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
But so that's how it it kind of got started.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
So you know, we're in season five and we do
twenty five episodes a season, and we release an episode
every Tuesday and Thursday, and I try to release them
at five thirty in the morning because I found out
that most people they're driving into work and they want
to listen to or or when they drive home, they
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want to be able to listen to coaches tell their story. Well,
what I do, or what I decided to do, is
I just let coaches tell their story. Now, I've had
some guys on there that they're great storytellers and they
tell funny stories about what's happened while they've coached, and
those have been some of my favorites. But I've also
enjoyed guys that I don't really know just listening to
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them tell their stories, and it always I don't have
I'm like you, I shoot from the hip. I don't
have structured questions. I don't have They all basically go
the same way. Hey, coach Parker, tell us where you
grew up, where'd you go to school? Oh, did you
play college ball?
Speaker 2 (26:38):
So? What was your first job?
Speaker 3 (26:40):
And then whatever comes to my little pea brain while
I'm listening, and I'm like, oh, and then where'd you
go after that?
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Oh? That's cool, you know, And then you know whatever.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
At the end, we talk about modern you know, what
do you think about, you know, issues and coaching today
or how have things changed now? This season, season five
is it's called the Legends Series, and so far it's
been one of my favorites because I sat down and
came up with a list of people who I consider
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legends in the state of Georgia.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
And they're all one hundred and fifty two hundred game
multiple state championship winners. We're on episode eight or nine
right now, I think. And we started with coach Alan Chadwick.
Then we had coach Charles Winsley, then we had coach
Jeff Herron. I've had this week Franklin Stevens and Rich Finley.
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We released those. I had to have some younger legends,
guys that have won multiple state.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Championship appreciate that younger reference. That's the only room where
they're the young guys in.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
But yeah, oh yeah, and then you know, I'm gonna
have Coach Holmes is gonna be on there, Milton Miller,
I'm gonna try to get Coach Bohannon on there. Danny
Chronic's going to be on there. I think we're trying
to get Coach Hodges.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
I mean, just guys.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Coach car DU's been on their Raven's been on their rants,
has been on there. You know, just guys that some
of the young coaches, they may have heard of these guys,
but they don't know their story. You know, they may
have you know, they're retired now or they're not coaching anymore,
and they're like, I'm gonna have Dwight Jones on there
because he's a legend to me, you know, anybody that's
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turned around some of the programs that he's turned around.
When he could have gone anywhere he wanted to, but
he decided not to. He decided to go in and
build rebuild places, and you know Sam Barrs, you know
people that just you know, they might not have won
multiple state championships, by god, they did it a long
time and they won a lot of games. And I've
already had some guys already on there, like Ed Dudley
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and Rich McCarter and Eric Parker who are legends, and
I may re release them in this Legends series just
at homage to them, because they are legends and so,
but you know, I've had guys out of Florida. You know,
when we set up at the clinic, I'll sit in
the hospitality suite and the college coach will come in there,
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and we'll have the podcast stuff set up and on
the TV, we'll have our logo and everything, and I'm
just sitting in there watching Golf Channel usually and they'll
point and go, what's that over there?
Speaker 2 (29:16):
And we'll tell them.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
They'll go, well, I'll do it okay, And we'll sit
down and record with them, and I can knock out
ten or twelve episodes. Now they're shorter, usually about thirty minutes,
but you know mine are usually forty five minutes to
an hour. Now with these legends, some of them are
going an hour and fifteen hour and a half I've
found on there. You know, they just because I let
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them go, I don't I'm not gonna tell one of
them to be quiet, you know, i'most say And I'm
usually sitting back there just smiling like a fanboy because
I love listening, because it's the way I used to
be at the clinic. I go listen to Coach Pilcher
and Coach Griff and those guys. Those old heads just.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Tell stories and that's what I like, and that's how
I learned coach.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
So that's why people listening need to go listen to
those That's an archive that'll be there for a long
time too, you know. And I really enjoyed listening. I
learned a lot. I mean, I know these people and
i've heard talk to them, but but I've learned a lot.
And if you think I tell you what stands out
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to me the most about the legends, and we've talked
to you plenty on here too, they got a story too.
They've got a story where something didn't go their way.
They've got a story where they were getting run off somewhere,
or they were about to be or they took the
wrong job, or they got passed over, or they were
in the place that was horrible, you know what I'm saying,
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Like they weren't. I think sometimes we see coach so
and so for what they are at the end of
their career, but we don't know, Like they didn't always
win all them state championships. They had a lot of doubt.
They had a lot of doubt at some point, and
people didn't look at rich Finley. I talked to him
time richest team, and they really struggled when he got
to Bouton And the second year they're better Thirlier one
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compete for state championship, but that first year is tough. Now,
So I like to ask him, like I feel like
everybody else asking about state championship. I want to know
about the bad time.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Well, that's that resonates, Like next week I'm gonna have
coach Barden's gonna be on there, and he brings that up.
He's like everybody forgets I started out at pickings my
first two years and I didn't have any business getting
the Cartersville job, but I got lucky, you know. I mean,
he talks about that and just you know that. That's
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my favorite thing is that And my other favorite thing
about the Legend series, there's three things.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
There's that part, there's them talking about.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Every one of them, every one of the old heads
is like, when things aren't good, leave, just leave because
it's easier for you to leave. And instead of calls
him miss and calls drama and the community up, just
get your stuff and go somewhere else.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
And I'm like, you know what, You're right. The older
I get, the more that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
And my other favorite thing is is when I ask them,
who are your favorite people that you competed against? Your friends,
Guys that you just whether they tore you up or
you tore them up, that you just respected and loved
going against every Friday night over the years, and just
listening to their voices change because there was a different
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respect and brotherhood back then and when we were coming
up then, I think there is now.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
I think the technology has made it better for coaches
to learn football things like this that we didn't have
coming up. But it's not as personable, you know it,
Like you don't go to the McDonald's and uh swat
films and bullshit, you know what I mean? Like you
just don't you don't go when you clinic, you're maybe
clinicing like this to some degree instead of you know,
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going in holding up the whole weekend with somebody or
you know what I mean, like that they do miss
The other guys did have much closer relationships. They really did.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Yeah, there ain't a whole lot of drawing on mirrors
and hotel rooms and napkins, yeah, and doing stuff like that,
and and or you know, I don't even see a
lot of the younger guys go out there and hug
on each other before the game at the fifty yard
line and fellowship with each other.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Well, there's an understanding there used to be a little
more of an understanding that we were all gonna win
and we were all gonna lose at some time. But
and it was okay to hate that other team for
you know, for four quarters. But you know, those were
those were people you know that just like you and
I used to always say, coaching is the only business
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where you can be coking pepsi and you share each
other secrets. You can be friends, you know, like other
business don't do that. But like, yeah, we try to
kill the guys in the game and then were black
best friends with them. After the game on them what
we did, what we didn't do, you know, and people
don't do that, man. And I do think now you
see a little more of it's a little more business
(34:08):
like maybe, And I guess that's something I hate for
I do hate, you know. Every now and then I
make a few posts that I've written, these blogs, and
I'll repost them every now and then once a year
or something. And one of them was like things that
I hate that are different and things that like I
hate the young guys didn't get to see, you know
what I mean, Like, because there's some great young guys.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
I don't want to think we're like, oh yeah, brilliant.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
They just but I do hate they didn't know some
of the stuff I knew, Like I feel fortunate to
have come up at kind of the end of that,
you know, and know most of the names you just said,
you know what I mean, and and that I didn't
realize that at the time, but now I feel very
fortunate to have been able to see the current football
house done now and to see how it was done,
(34:55):
you know, back then. So what advice you got for
these guys? Any last words for anybody that's like, man,
what do. We gotta do what's got to be at
what's got to make things better. Let's talk about something positive. Then,
what's something that's got to get better. That's you know,
that's like like, stell me on, I want to be
(35:18):
a young coach.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
Well, you're still working with kids, And to me, that's
the that's the most important thing.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
I don't care.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
You know, we need as many good mechanics and every
shop that we can get right, whether it's a good shop,
a bad shop, or or whatever. And Hookie Dookie High
School needs coaches just like Gainesville, Buford, Carrollton and Milton
and all the rest of them. They need good coaches too,
and they need people that are going to invest in
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young people because every kid needs a person, and you
can be their person. And you can be the worst
coach in the history of ever. I'm living proof of it.
I might be the worst whatever you decide I'm gonna coach.
I may be terrible at that.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
But what I am good at is I'm good with
youngins and I'm a good.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
Kid person. And I may be the worst maths teacher
in the world or the worst whatever, but I am
good with youngins and I love on them, and I'm
a lot of them. I'm their person, and I encourage
anybody that wants to get in this business. If you're
in it for that reason, all the other stuff will
take it'll work itself out. If you put yourself around
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good people, and you put yourself in a good place,
and you put the kids first, and you do right
by the kids. It may be naive, but I still
believe that if you do right by kids, and you
do you treat every one of them like they're your
young and and how you'd want your child to be treated,
I still believe that that's the best thing on the
(37:01):
planet that there is for you that you could ever do.
And that might mean that you have to discipline them,
that might mean that you have to hug their neck,
that might mean that you have to go pick them
up because they broke down. But that might mean that
you have to go put your arm around them and
cry with them because their mama died. That's the best
thing in the world that you could ever do. And
for them to call you on Father's Day years later
(37:24):
and say thank you, there ain't nothing like it, And
it's better than any state championship. I've never won one
but I'm not unfulfilled. I got five years left before
I can retire, and don't I don't begrudge anything, any
decision I've ever made, because I have been blessed to
be around good people, and I've been blessed to be
(37:46):
able to affect the lives of a lot of young men,
but not nearly as much as those young people have
affected me.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Man, that's a good word right there. It's rare that
I have nothing to add, but I have nothing to
add to that. That was awesome. So that really was
people need to listen to that. I was a great coach.
Good answer. I appreciate good answer.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Good answer.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Like I said, I I had nothing to that was.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
That's really how I feel that that's that is, that
is my wife.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
I mean, you think about it is most times we
take away from our family and our children to raise
other people's children.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
You better love them children.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
Now sometimes you you want to like them always, but
you ain't got to like them, but you gotta love
them because you're you may be all they have, and
for a lot of them, we are all there, and
and it's important that we put good men in front
of them, you know, because it's important you know, whether
whether you're coaching females or males, it don't matter. They're
kids and they're gonna make mistakes and they're gonna do
(38:48):
dumb things, but they need guidance and they need understanding.
Now I'm not saying baby, and I'm not saying let
them get away with holy hell t terror, but you know,
you gotta you gotta let them be kids and let
them make mistakes and no point in the right direction.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Well I'm glad you said, because I don't want to.
You know, we're not the young guys anymore. Okay, we
were at one point, but we're not anymore. And I
definitely don't want to come across as the old guys,
like get off my lawn, like we had nothing positive
to say. Everything you said was exactly what makes this
a great job. But even though I haven't coached the
(39:25):
team in a little while and I'm at the central office,
this is a hobby for me, it doesn't it's not
lucrative at all. I want to do this because I
still love being around just being around it. I just
like being around guys like you, you know, because it
was so impactful on me. So don't ever mistake us
talking about what you ought to be doing for saying
we don't still think this is the greatest thing ever,
(39:47):
because it is right, I mean, and I just think
sometimes you got to remind that. I don't always think
I'm complaining.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
Oh no, I mean, no, I'm not. I'm not complaining
about anything. I'm just I just tell it like you know,
it just like it is.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Is it just?
Speaker 2 (40:01):
You know?
Speaker 3 (40:01):
And if it sounds like you know some things they're
not great, Let's be honest. You know, I'm not a
big fan. There's a lot of things I'm not a
big fan of.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
But what you're not a big fan of. I know
I'm supposed to be going, but transferred.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
Some things I'm not a big fan of.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
Those things we're not a big fan of. Now we've
said something nice, we can go back to rant and
that's what people want to.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
Things I'm not a big fan of. Not a big
fan of the GHSA. I'm not a big fan of.
I think, uh, the we've outgrown it. I'm not even
going to get into all of that. I'm not a
big fan of the way the games change. I agree
with a lot of the legends have said that, Uh,
(40:42):
it's supposed to be extracurricular activities, and everything's bled down,
you know, pro to college, college to high school, and
we're supposed to be providing extracurricular activities. Things they don't
get into classroom, things like that. I'm not a big
fan of us getting away from that, and I'm not
I'm not a big fan one of us making things
year round, you knows.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
But you know, I mean that's just a lot of
that society.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
That's just society.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
But I don't have anything to hear.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
They want to hear us a bit about it, right,
I mean, that's that's what you know, That's what we
got to be old eds, that's what they came here for.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
Yeah, I mean we're Generation X. I mean we're that's
what we do. But you know what, we suck it
up and we go.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
That's right. You can't asked the players to be tough
if the coaches ain't tough.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Remember that's right.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
So coach, seriously, if you listen to this, son, coaches
check it out. I mean, some dudes on there so legends.
So like I checked my phone every day to see
if coach called me, but I noticed he hadn't because
I ain't want enough games to be a legend. So
I just listened to the Legends.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
Well you're a different kind of Legends. Yeah, I've already
been told I'm gonna have to do a Legends part two.
I'm gonna have to do a Legends for Florida. I
gotta do a Legends Alabama, a legend, South Carolin, legis Tennessee,
And I'm going to reach out in season six. I'm
trying to branch out and get Alabama, South Carolina, and
Tennessee guys involved because we really have a pretty big
(42:12):
listening in the southeast, really, and I've had some guys
from Florida, but you know, just growing it. Mostly Georgia
right now is where most of the listeners, you know,
where we get most of the listeners from. And I've
even had some guys from Virginia and Texas and places
like that, but you know, i'd eventually like to get it.
We have a son coaches West that's out of Utah.
(42:36):
They're working out there, so James knows some folks out there,
so they.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
Through his church.
Speaker 3 (42:43):
They and guys that he's coached with out there and
went to school with, and they We've got a son
coaches West and they they they're running the podcast.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
Out there and doing the same kind of thing, just
different states.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
So I mean, I mean, I love hearing people's stories.
You can pick things up, you know, And I think
most importantly when you talk like this, people can identify
with you as a you know, they see some things
they're going through in your talk, you know. And I
kind of aim with this. I listened to uh, you know,
(43:19):
coach Tavo works for US now and Pickings. Uh he
was on there. Anybody knows coach Pevo. He's awesome. Yeah,
he did not tell any funny stories. That ain't his style,
but he's a great guy. He is awesome. But I
listened to it and I learned a lot about him,
you know what I mean. And just an example, like
I mean, this guy works in our district. I've known
him a long time. Great guy. But you know, I
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don't know who you ever sat down and just told
me what all? You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (43:44):
And that's what I love about it.
Speaker 3 (43:45):
I love hearing people's stories and I want to get
every coach on their venture because everybody has a story
and how they got to where they are.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
And what they do and to me.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
That's just fascinating. Like, it just fascinates me. I don't
care if they're old, young, been doing it for thirty
years or two years, it doesn't matter to me. I mean,
it's just interesting to me.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
Yeah, it really is. Well, Coach, I appreciate you taking
this time to joining me. I said I was gonna
go shorter. I didn't apologize, but always good to talk
to me.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
My man, you too, I should appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
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