Episode 103: Marcele Reola Shares Stories of Italian Folk Magic

There are parts of Italian-American and Sicilian-American culture at risk of being lost as neighborhoods become more homogenized. In this episode, friend of the show Marcele Reola shares memories of her family’s culture, including Italian folk magic, intergenerational trauma, stories from a trip to Sicily, and more. 

Links Marcele shared for listeners:
Books:
So You Wanna Be Italian? https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0985960752/ref=sw_img_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1#
Italian Folk Magic https://www.amazon.com/Italian-Folk-Magic-Kitchen-Witchery/dp/1578636183
Della Medicina https://www.amazon.com/Della-Medicina-Tradition-Italian-American-Healing/dp/1644117533
Travel:
Radici Siciliane https://www.radicisiciliane.com/   Read the first chapter of Daughter of the

Mystic Moon: https://www.nicollemorock.com/daughter-of-the-mystic-moon
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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
In episode eighty one, you met My Monster fst Friends
as we recapped the twenty twenty four event. On this episode,
Marcel is back to share fascinating stories of Italian folk
magic and inter generational attachments. Welcome to the Peak Podcast.

(00:45):
I'm your host Nicole Morock, and I'm grateful you're here.
The two big ideas behind the Peak Podcast are to
show that the paranormal is more normal than most people think,
and to connect the science to the SI, including esp
psychokinesis and intuition. In this episode, we're talking with Marcel
Riola about Italian folk magic and intergenerational attachments. I'll skip

(01:10):
the book update today other than to remind you that
you can read the first chapter of Daughter of the
Mystic Moon for free on my website and follow the
kickstarter page to be notified when it launches. Those links
are in the show notes. Marcell Riola is a friend
I met at the first Small Town Monsters Monsterfest in

(01:31):
twenty twenty three. We quickly hit it off because we
share a love of cryptids and other paranormal topics, an
affinity for helping others, and a similar cultural heritage. Although
she's much closer to her Italian roots than I am.
So without further ado, let's dive in with Marcel. Hi, Marcel,

(01:53):
how are you doing tonight?

Speaker 2 (01:54):
I'm doing good. Thank you very much, Nikki. It's good
to be here.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
It's good to have you.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
I am so excited that you've come back on the
show after being on it, oh a little over a
year or not quite a year ago. Time flies when
you're having fun.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
It does. It was actually almost was a year ago
because it was right it was in July. I remember
my mom passed in July, so and then we were
it was the last time I probably saw you with June.
Was that one Monsters.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
Monster Fest two or Monster Fressed if you know, you know, Yeah,
and then we did the recap with our little gang on.
I forgot to look up the episode number, but one
of those episodes last year the best one. Honestly, it's
been the most popular one since I restarted the podcast.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
So yeah, it blows my mind.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
People wanted to hear us talk about it, but I
think a lot of people who went just wanted to
relive their experience. Yeah, so so you are back and
you're gonna educate me tonight.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Yeah, I'm gonna try to everything that I've found out about,
like Italian folk practices or folk medicine has been It's
always been there, per se. It's kind of like Nicky
you were saying earlier about the table tipping, and you know,

(03:31):
but we don't talk about that type of a thing.
That's kind of I mean, I think I feel in
general with the things that I'm talking about tonight, is
that a lot of it is kind of like you
don't talk about it in some ways because in some ways,
you know, like that's Italian Americans. I'm Italian American, an

(03:55):
Si Syrian American, and a lot of this is based
in Italian American from my experiences, but there's also some
experiences and influences that I happened to pick up along
the way. But so where I grew up, I grew
up in West Mifflin, which is a very oh boy,

(04:16):
it's your very stereotypical, you know, a steel town suburb.
I grew up in the Still Boom in the eighties,
one of the first you know, suburbs. But the way
that Pittsburgh, you know, kind of lies like the way
that it's laid out is that there's the city and

(04:37):
then there's your suburbs, but then your suburbs in Pittsburgh
for some reason, and I don't know if this isn't
a lot of other places, like once you're in those suburbs,
very few people crossed the bridges to go back to
the city. So yeah, and then there was a lot
of different like where in West Smifflin where I grew up,

(04:59):
there was there was a couple of Italian Americans, but
definitely not like there are other places where there were
actually enclaves of Italian Americans. And that was in like
the Bloomfield area of Pittsburgh, which was in the city,
and then Penn Hills, which was a suburb, and then
there was Monroeville. So it was kind of like because

(05:23):
on top of that and then being in a place
where it almost felt unsafe to talk about these things,
or neighbors who would look at you cine eyed or
they would just wouldn't get it. I found solace in
my family phone, solace in my in a neighborhood called Hazelwood,

(05:43):
which is where my family first settled. So so yeah,
in Hazelwood, it was it was more like an enclave,
but it had a lot of different nationalities, which are
very typical Pittsburgh kind of neighborhood where there's lots of
different nationalities, you know, we're all living up right against
each other, and these you know, like these row houses.

(06:04):
So everybody shared food, everybody shared stories, everybody shared, you know,
just experiences. So and whenever I would go to Hazelwood,
which I spent a lot of time there. We spent
every Sunday there after church, and then we would also
you know, spend more time there during the summer and

(06:26):
sleepovers and things like that when I was a kid.
But whenever I would cross that bridge, it was really
symbolic and it almost felt magical because it was such
a mystery to me, like that, like it was so
interesting because it felt like I was connecting with this
old world and at the same time it was it

(06:46):
seemed so far away physically, and then like, oh, that
was such a long time ago, but then there was
still I mean, and at that point Hazelwood was pretty
darn run down at the point that I started being
able to have like memories of it. But it was
like I was connecting those those two worlds, like the
old world and then the new world here in like

(07:09):
the suburbs. So when I was in Hazelwood. That's kind
of where I felt a lot of my well, definitely
my first experiences with the neighbor next door, right next
door is there is something called and this is how
the Sicilian Americans and my family pronounce it. And I'm

(07:30):
not one hundred percent sure this is just like we
are Italian Americans, as I'm sure, you know, we cut
everything off, so we do. We cut everything off, so
it's like instead of brushetta, it's brushet, you know, and
people like cringe at that, but it's it's true. And
I cringed at it too. After I like started educating
myself on you know, Italian language, and I started becoming snobby,

(07:54):
and then I just realized, like, you're just You're just
an Italian American, Like this is your call culture. It's
distinctively different in a lot of ways than like Sicilian
culture and Italian culture in that country. But some of
those you know beliefs, of course did come over, you

(08:15):
know with us and the array and the different like
diversity within you know, just being like Italian, like you think,
oh I'm Italian, but there were so many different little
villages and then so many different communes and also different dialects,

(08:39):
so what you and your family may have known, my
family may not have known. And also there was this
story in my family where sometimes my my mother, my grandmother,
and my grandmother on my dad's side, they were very close,
but they sometimes couldn't understand each other because they spoke

(08:59):
different dialects, while the one was more Sicilian and the
other one was more Neapolitan. So and then with that
came like a lot of different beliefs, like it's in
the table tipping thing that you were talking about. That's
it's not the first time I've heard of it, because
I think we might have talked about it once before,

(09:19):
maybe when we first met. But like I was like, oh,
this is interesting. So of course I had to google
it and try to find out more information about it.
But but yeah, it's it's I mean, it excites me,
it really does, and I mean it interests me. It's
a personal thing. I've learned a lot, but a lot

(09:39):
of it was a lot of like remembering and oh,
oh yeah, and that's what they do. Like going back
to the first thing that I was talking about was
the maloq or the molokio, which is the evil eye
and our family chopped it down to the Maloic. So

(10:00):
it's such a funny little work right in your life.
And it's like, I mean, you were just like, oh my,
what was scary about it was first of all, you
didn't know how you got it well, and secondly, you

(10:20):
could give it to anybody by just existing, you know.
So it's really it's it's hilarious, but it's also very
and how much that like saturates that culture and like
saturates how I grew up. It's amazing. It's just amazing.
And you know, side note, I've kind of like tried

(10:41):
to pull us apart with my therapist. I'm like, oh
I get this now, I get my the way that
I do. And then I'm guarded and you know, things
like that, because a lot of it was you were
protecting your family and you were protecting those traditions and
the tradition of being able to the Maloic in general.

(11:02):
The evil eye was if you could, I could give
it to you by saying, oh my god, I love
your hair or I love your necklace or anything like that.
And you don't mean it to be intentional, it's just
that from that compliment there's this Obviously I don't have
that jewelry. Obviously I don't have that hair. I like yours.

(11:25):
I'm complimating on you, but I have less of something,
so I want that secretly want that. So it kind
of creates this like I don't know, it's kind of
it's it's a negative thing, right like it does indeed
exactly exactly, and you know that's yeah, being Catholic, that's

(11:49):
a sin. Yeah, you know, it's a It's a big
one for sure. But the first time I ever experienced
a healing of the maloic was when I was in
Hazelwood and my grandma's next door neighbor, her name is
Milinne couldn't speak anything that I could understand, and I

(12:09):
don't think my grandmother understood her. But she would perform
these rituals on her front porch and people would come
to see her, and you did not make eye contact
with her.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
Yeah, yeah, but yeah, she was this lady Miline was.
I guess she was considered like the witch almost in
some ways. And it was like I would I remember
getting out of the car and going into my grandmother's
house and Milinn would always try to talk to me

(12:43):
and I would just I did not want to look
at her because she scared me. But what she was
she did, you know, she like scared the heck out
of me. And she would talk to me and then laugh,
and I was like, oh my god, I have no
clue what you're saying. But she was the official hazel
Wood Hiller. Really is what she was. She was, you know,

(13:04):
people would show up at her house complaining about something,
usually a headache, sometimes just feeling really tired, exhausted, and
then she would perform this ritual on them, which involved
a bowl of water and olive oil. So, yeah, exactly,

(13:26):
so she would. I can't I have different memories of
it because I have influences from things that I've read about.
Some people will say that, like you you put a
towel over your head and then they drop the olive
oil in the water, and and the symbols that it

(13:48):
makes that you interpret them, but that the that the Hiller,
the witch, or or my neighbor woman interpreted them. And
then she would The next thing she would do is
she would take that from my memory, she would take
the cloth and she would put it on top of
the head. And this was I witnessed this with my sister,
because my sister was always getting bad, bad headaches, and

(14:10):
then she would annoint her with the olive oil and
then she would like give her an assignment, say some
prayers over her trr to go home and say some prayers,
and you know, within minutes, my sister's headache was gone. No,
I don't know if that was because you know, the
steaming olive oil with the you know, with thee her

(14:34):
head could have helped a lot, because she's definitely had
sinus issues. But it was this, you know, it was
always this belief of, yeah, you have a headache, but
you don't really have a headache. Something else is underlying
then her head. There's something else going on. Somebody complimented you,
somebody gave you, you know, the evil eye, and so therefore,

(14:57):
like all of your ailments that you had stomach ache
or what night were related to this evil eye. So
instead of like in this neighborhood in particular, and with
the like the generations of the first people that came
here in my family and neighborhood, it was like, you're
not sick, you don't have a stomachache, you don't have
a headache, somebody has put something on you, the moloi

(15:20):
the maloiqi you which is I guess the pronounce the
correct pronunciation and so yeah. So so that was kind
of one of my very first experiences recognizing like, wow,
my family is not really like other people or or

(15:42):
what what are they doing? Like this is weird. But
it was also something that like you know, we kept
very close to our hearts and something that we didn't
talk about with people outside of the community because, like
I said, they would think that you were nuts or
they would just think that you were weird, and it
just didn't feel safe. And unless you talk to another
Italian American, they wouldn't quite get it or understand it.

(16:06):
And there's so many different versions of it, so many
different ways to different you know, ways of healing it
per se and protecting yourself against it. In Italian you know,
traditional Italian American and Italian folk magic, it's always protection.
So if you have your protection of your we'd called

(16:30):
it in our dialect quinnage it, which is quinecolia, which
is the pepper, little pepper, the little horn. I don't
know if you've seen that before. I'm sure you have,
but that's something that you would wear that and that
was supposed to protect you from the evil eye. And
then also you would wear the moto, which was a

(16:51):
hand making a certain gesture that looked like, you know,
a combination of the penis entering the vagina in the fist.
It was also and that was also to protect you
as well. So that was something that you were never
allowed to buy for yourself. That was something that you
had to be given from somebody. So yeah, so that

(17:15):
was kind of the that was the weirdest, not the weirdest,
but that was kind of like the underlying you know, oh,
this is a little bit different than you know what
my what my neighbor Kristen Balsis is doing up the
stream now.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
Because I grew up far enough away from the Italian
side of my family that I did not get to
experience any of this, but I heard I heard stories
from my dad. Yeah, so I've you know, I'm just
wondering some of the logistics, like did did you pay.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
For her help?

Speaker 1 (17:56):
Did you bring her food? Did you you know, like,
was is there any payment? Or did you just knock
on the door and say, I have a headache, can
you fix me please?

Speaker 2 (18:05):
It was basically, I mean everybody shared food, so it
was just you know, it was part of the community.
It was the way, you know, so yeah, it just
that was the way. That's kind of like how a
lot of it in these practices, you know, I like
when I first started like pulling things apart, and people
would call it Italian folk magic or you know, witchcraft

(18:27):
or whatever. A lot of it was just like, oh,
I didn't realize it had this label. This is just
the way, this is the way of being. Is kind
of like, you know, in just a different form of
indigenous you know, spirituality or indigenous believes, a different group
of indigenous folks that not like Native American indigenous obviously,

(18:49):
but like groups of people who had these traditions and
ways of being, and it was exchanging food and your
neighbor would do this you know, thing with the olive
oil and get rid of your headache and then also
you know, get rid of your stomach ache or whatever
element that you might have. And then so there was

(19:10):
never any exchange of money as far as like I know,
it was always exchange of just like you know, this
is what we do. This is what we do.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
That's just part of the community.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
It's just part of the community.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
Yeah, that's that is so cool.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
It is very very cool.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
How old were you when you lived there?

Speaker 2 (19:33):
Well, I didn't live in Hazelwood, but we spent a
ton of time. Yeah, like every I mean the first
memory I have from being there is probably like three
or four maybe. And it's interesting too because getting back
to that whole bridges thing there was it was always
the story too, because we'd go over the the Glenwood

(19:53):
Bridge and according to my dad, there was a plane
that mysterio they crashed into the water I believe it
was the Monongahela River and they never found it and
they never found the survivors of it. So that was
kind of like an almost like my family is very

(20:14):
you know, folky and mysterious in some ways, and especially
on my dad's side, because I mean my mom's side too,
but I just feel like with my dad's side because
he was his dad was from Sicily, you know, like
my mom's family, you know, they were a little bit
more like Americanized so to speak. So it just always

(20:36):
felt like as soon as we crossed that marriage, like
I was going into a different time and place always always,
and just because you know, things weren't there that used
to be there, and that they would mention that to me,
and that our church, Saint Stephen's Church, was a big
Catholic church there and that would be like a family
reunion for us. Like we would go there, you know,

(20:59):
like maybe once or twice a month. We had a
different church in West Smifflin for regular Sundays. But then
when we were going to church in Hazelwood, that was
really special because then he would run into your cousin's cousins,
cousins and that sort of thing. So but yeah, it
was just something like I said, it's just something that
I grew up on, and it never seemed it never

(21:20):
seemed like, oh, this is different until I realized that
it was different. There is a lot of things that
like I've been learning that I know, this is something
that we wanted to talk about. The intergenerational attachments. Yes,
like I had no idea. I didn't really have the

(21:41):
words the vocabulary to put what was happening to it.
So I went to Sicily a few years ago with
this group. They were called Ridici Siciliano, and it's a
group that it's a very Their whole idea is to
go into these places but not be tourist, so to speak.

(22:05):
And then they kind of hook you up with teachers
and you know, artists and musicians like from the area,
and you don't it's not your typical travel experience like
in it you do get to see some things. But
we went to Palermo and I met this so Mary

(22:28):
Beth one Figlio is the founder of her and another
a couple of other people are the founders of Rudici Siciliano,
and so she had set up this immersion which is
it was called fa which is an introduction to the

(22:52):
the nymphs, the sirens, the mermaids, the water, which is
that type thing, and how that they meant Fay always
existed in this kind of limited space and kind of
like the island itself of Sicily is very it's alive.
They consider it to be alive. They consider it to

(23:14):
be like, I mean, it's this magical. They call it
the Saint Etna Mama Chavoni, whichild God help me if
I pronounced that wrong. I'm sure I did. Travoni Travoni.
I don't know, Sorry, Marbo Figlio, but but yeah, so

(23:35):
I just kind of started I stumbled into this and
I really had no idea that this idea of intergenerational
attachment existed until I was at dinner one night with
this group and Mary Beth was talking about how she
was going to like she part of her you know

(23:57):
kind of vision with these these trips are that she
very much has become part of the community again, and
she's trying to get us to be Italian Americans. You
don't have to be Italian though, but you know, or Sicilian.
She's just like trying to get you reunited early with
your roots and to become part of the community again.

(24:20):
And part of these practices that we call the way,
you know, so which some of these practices included and
I can get into that in a little bit, but
like drumming and dancing. But she was talking particularly about
having an intergenerational attachment which followed her and her daughter

(24:42):
and then her father you know, and have been in
her family for years. And she was explaining it to me,
as you know, sometimes the attachment will be out of
balance and it will show up in certain ways of illness.
For example, so her daughter was getting really really ill

(25:05):
and getting these bad stomach aches, so they took her
on an offshoot one of the days away from the
rest of the group, they took her to see a
hiller who specifically dealt with attachments, and it wasn't to
remove the attachments. It was more or less to appease
the attachments and figure out what's going on, Like why

(25:26):
are you so upset with me? What do you need?
So she actually learned in her daughter and she's still
in practice of this and this attachments. You know, it
follows her from place to place. It's not just like
it's follows her to sicily, it follows her to her house.
I mean, it's part of her family. It's been passed
out you know almost like I mean in her generationally,

(25:48):
it's been passed down this I mean, I guess you
could call it a spirit guide in some way. But
like it's not always your like fun like I'm your
magical fairy godmother, right, you know, It's sometimes it's like
it gets nasty. Sometimes it doesn't like you know, what
you're doing in your house, it doesn't like what you're eating,
and it's gonna like wear its ugly head, so you

(26:11):
kind of have to you know almost you know, she
speaks to it, or she speaks to this entity or
whatever you want to call it, this attachment and kind
of asks what it needs. And it couldn't mean anything
from oh, you know, you forgot about me, I've been here,
talk about me, to like why don't you light a
candle over here, or light a candle to you know,

(26:31):
Saint Rosellia or something it's time, you know, or clean
up your area because I'm feeling very stagnant. So this
is something that she's experienced, her daughter has experienced, and
her father has experienced. And although we didn't get much,
you know, into a lot of the details, because we
were all eating dinner, but she was going that very

(26:53):
next day to go get and they call it worms.
She was getting the worms. I don't know if you've
ever heard of that.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
I have not.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
Yeah, I thought it was like pinworms, but they're actually
like they call getting the worms out of you. And
there's like a certain ritual, a certain prayer which I
know nothing about, but it's a Sicilian ritual where they
would go and they would you know, try to remove

(27:21):
these worms. And these worms were supposed to be related
to either this attachment or something else, and it couldn't
even be something that you know, extends from the evil eye, right, Yeah,
maybe somebody was jealous or they're jealous of the family,
and that could be something that is, you know, jealousy.
And with my family, it became something that was attached

(27:46):
to my mom's side actually, and that has been kind
of passed down, and that's we've all tried to like specifically,
like my sister and myself. I have three four wait
a minute, three sisters and a brother, and some of
us are more receptive to it than others, Like, for example,

(28:10):
my sister Lisa has always had the ability to be
able to recognize energy or you know, go into a
place and be able to feel energy. So she's definitely
had experiences with this attachment where she's going into conversations
with them not sure really what they wanted from her,

(28:32):
and as that result, she became very very like devoutly
Christian and kind of shut that part of herself down
as a result. But she's still HERR and I are
very connected. She's my oldest sister and I'm the youngest.
Where as soon as she realizes, like she gets a
feeling and their feeling is, she knows that there's something

(28:54):
wrong with me. I'm depressed, I'm down there's something off
and then I'll get a text from her. So that's
something that was very prominent, you know, in my family
as well. This attachment. I really can't it's it's kind
of hard to explain because, like I said, I didn't
really have words for it. Was this something that was

(29:15):
a curse, you know, was this something that was passed
down you know, it was believed to be passed down
to my mom from her And this is odd from
my from my aunt, but not my aunt on my
mom's side. It was my aunt on my dad's side,

(29:35):
because she had a lot of she had a lot
of abilities herself, and she practiced a lot of different
things that this curse was kind of put on my mother,
and this attachment was kind of put on my mother,
and then my mother was kind of seen as this

(29:56):
person that brought that luck to the family. That's not no,
not at all because my mom and really, when you
think about it, and I was, I was joking around
with you in a text about this is generational trauma
and generational attachment, and it really is trauma too at
the same time, because like a lot of this does

(30:17):
come with trauma, I mean, and a lot of it
is attracted to trauma as a result, and when you're
in those places of depression or in those places, you
know you're in a bad spot, you're very vulnerable, and
so you know, you don't know what you're getting. But
these particular entities or entity or attachment or whatever you
want to call it was something that definitely affected my mom,

(30:40):
and you know, we would look at it in modern
times and we'd be like, Oh, she was just depressed,
or oh she was suffering from you know, like a
mental breakdown or something. But it was something, and you know,
I don't I believe it's both, to be honest with you,
I don't think it has to be either, or I
think it can be. And I think it's just something

(31:02):
where you kind of have to learn to become friends
with your demons in some way. And I'm not saying
they were demons in any wayship or form, right, do
not think that they were. I just think that they
were either attachments of like old family members on your
resolved issues messages that tried to get across, and they
would always kind of just show up the people that

(31:23):
were very receptive or very vulnerable or very emotional being
you know, myself my sister Lisa and my mom.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
Yeah for sure.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
So yeah, And there's so much to this and so
much to impact. So when I when I first started
practicing the emotion code, I looked into and the words
escaping me. It might be epigenetics, but how trauma can

(31:54):
be passed down through the family, and there's been there
have been studies about it. So like people who say,
were in Italy one hundred years ago and the people
that generation suffered from extreme famine and they were constantly

(32:15):
wondering where their next meal was coming from. And when
you're starving, you are a little food obsessed because you
need food, you need nourishment. Those people in their DNA
captured this trauma and it comes down through the DNA,
so that when I am releasing trapped emotions, if I'm

(32:36):
releasing it an inherited trapped emotion, it could be related
to that that happened one hundred years ago to you know,
three or four generations back. And the person who's experiencing
the physical effects of these trapped emotions that they they
didn't experience the famine themselves, but it's come down through

(33:00):
their DNA, and that's that's why some people are have
certain obsessions, like they come down through their family. Like
my family is food obsessed, like the Italian side of
my family. It's you're eating breakfast and you're already planning
lunch and dinner exactly, you know, And I thought that
was normal. And then, you know, dating somebody who does

(33:20):
not come from an Italian family, They're like, why are
you always thinking about food?

Speaker 3 (33:25):
I'm like, are we not supposed to? You know, I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
I mean it does, I mean, it really does. You know.
I would joke with my mom, but she used to
make World War two coffee and it was terrible. It
was terrible. It tasted like crap and like and it's
because it was World War two coffee. It was the
cop It wasn't that you know, same brands.

Speaker 4 (33:50):
You know.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
She just learned to make coffee in a way where
it was very much like you know, kind of you
use as little as possible. And I just remember like
drinking it all the time, and you know, like this
is gross, but I drink it, but I drink it.
She'd put some sugar in it. Put some sugar, yeah,
and that kind of changed things. But I mean, it is,
it's it's amazing I mean, and I love that topic,

(34:12):
and we could probably do you know, we could stay
on that for hours. I mean honestly, because there's I
do believe that there's a lot of truth in that.
And I mean, I have a background in social services
and psychology and working with children that were abused, and
and when you just begin to pull apart these strings,
you know, and how they're all kind of connected, and

(34:35):
you don't sometimes even realize like, oh why am I
that way? Like why am I so automatically standoffish? But
I pushed my way out of that because I try
to be like I try to get beyond that, Like
I automatically feel like when I go into a room,
I start to put up my shield, right, And that's

(34:58):
for energy too, you know, techno energy. But it's also
like the way that I grew up. I grew up
do not trust outside your family. So that was very
you know, when you start to reveal things to people
that aren't in your family, or reveal things to people
that aren't in that culture, and then the way that

(35:19):
they react to you is kind of like then you
start to question, like the hell right, But then you
realize that this is a lot of it it's all connected,
you know, it's connected to the famine. Why did so
many people leave southern Italy? You know, why did so
many people live leave Sicily? And I mean it was

(35:39):
they were starving, starving, you know, And there is that need.
There is always I make too much food. You know.
I have a family of three at home, but I
always freaking make too much food, especially when it comes
to pasta, more than I need. And then I'm like,
why did I make this? You know?

Speaker 3 (35:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (35:58):
Yeah, my my out side of the family does the
same thing. They make enough for twenty people when they're
afore sitting down for tender Well.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
I mean, at least you have it. You have leftovers
for days. You might be sick of pasta, bay for
that food, you know.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
Yeah, yeah, And once you start to learn about this stuff,
and it's it just it starts to make so much
sense to those things that are normal to your family
that don't quite seem so normal to outsiders. And it's
I love it because you know, when you're working on healing,

(36:36):
you can you can heal more than just the person
that you're working with. You can heal the past and
the present generations in their family that are affected by
the same thing. And so because of that, when you're
talking about an innergenerational attachment, my brain is saying, has
anybody tried to remove this?

Speaker 3 (36:56):
Like, has anybody?

Speaker 1 (36:57):
Is that something that it would even come to mind.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
For your family?

Speaker 2 (37:03):
Well, I think at this point everybody would think that
I'm nuts, which I already am and everybody does within
my family. So because but honestly, I'm the only one
because I've become so because I've I've wanted to, Like
I worked at a library, you know, sixteen seventeen, eighteen

(37:25):
years ago, and I stumbled across this book and it
was called so how Long Have you Wanted to Be Italian?
And it was the story and I think her name
is Anna Filimino and a Filimino or an ape Filmina.
She it was her experience as an Italian American and

(37:46):
about like how she discovered rediscovered her Italian American stuff.
Because you you or and anybody that comes from you know,
not a dominant I mean, it is a dominant culture
now and the United States, but like it's a subculture
in some ways. You want to assimilate. That was what
it was all about, assimilate, assimilating, which resolved into which

(38:10):
or excuse me, evolved into like losing losing these practices,
you know, losing your italianness. And I think that that's
why it's so important, you know, the work that Mary
Beth is doing, the work that other people are doing
to kind of bring back and hell like, because you

(38:31):
are healing different generations, you're healing different There's a museum
actually in Sicily, I don't know specifically where, but there
was a retreat there recently where on one floor is
all about Italian witchcraft and Italian folk magic, and they
have a healer there and he practices different herbalism. And

(38:54):
then on the other floor it's all about the experience
of Sicilian's moving to the United States. So it's all
about this experience and how much it did leave a
hole in their hearts as well, and how like us
us going back really is a healing for a lot

(39:15):
of generations and a lot of I mean, I was
watching a real on you know, Instagram about like the
one woman who was the translator, who I knew from
when I went on my experience. She was just so
overcome with like sorrow by looking at this you know,

(39:36):
history and then having this opportunity to reconnect these people
that had no connections, you know. So I mean that's
really moving to me. I mean it's and she was,
and you would think, like, who, why is this young woman,
she's in her twenties. What does she give it about?
Like like these you know people from America and who

(39:58):
you know, basically ruined everything for everyone. I mean, maybe
I didn't have such a bad reputation and like, you know,
and then just that's an important part of her work,
you know, is to connect people back with their roots.
And it's not even so much too about once again

(40:18):
about like having to have Sicilian or Italian or Mediterranean roots.
It's just about reconnecting with those parts that you've had
to submerge, or reconnecting with those parts that you've had
to assimilate. You know, you've had to assimilate, so you
lose if you're Irish. You know, there's a lot of
Irish folk magic. You know, so many different things out

(40:38):
there that are practices that are just the way the
way for them, the way for that culture, and you
know we kind of just suppressed that and you know,
to be accepted, to assimilate, you know, And what's interesting
is that a lot of people view the maloic as

(41:00):
there's a there's a belief that the maloic is actually
a symbolism of capitalism. Huh yeah, Okay, it's that you know,
you always there's never enough, which goes back to the
poverty and to the you know food, I need more food,
there's never enough. I want, I want, I want, And
so there's this idea of and you'll see like in

(41:24):
the symbol of the eye. I don't know if you've
seen the symbol.

Speaker 3 (41:27):
It's a blue.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
And it's very striking, and they call it the evil,
you know, capitalistic eye because of the fact that it
just really symbolizes that, you know, this is America, this
is what America looks like. This is what you know
capitalism looks like, and you should assimilate to this as well.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
Yeah, I'm writing myself a note to post a picture
of the evil Eye when I post this podcast. We
were we just had the Greek Internet or not International
the Greek Festival two weekends ago and it's it's an
annual thing in Raleigh and it's put on by the
biggest Greek Orthodox church here and the evil Eye is

(42:10):
everywhere when you go into the little market area. The
food is the biggest part of the festival, Like that's why,
that's why we go. We're not Greek, but the food
is amazing. Yeah, and it's the church's big fundraisers. So
every it's one of those things the entire city will
go to because they've been doing it for decades and
you just know you're going to get amazing food and
then you get you can go look at the handcrafts and.

Speaker 3 (42:32):
Stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
But yeah, the evil Eye is everywhere, so it's not
just an Italian thing or Sicilian thing as a Mediterranean thing.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, and it's it's just neat to see
that and how that's like expressed and through all those
different cultures because there's so many you know, Turkey, you know,
it's just there's so many different interpretations, but there's like
a lot of the same base meanings, but you know

(42:59):
it's some some crossover, some not. But yeah, it's amazing
and like the more that I dig into this, I mean,
I'm still learning. I have one of the very first
books that I came across which I would recommend. It's
called Ruth's Kitchen Witchery by Mary Grace Farron. And it's
called Italian Folk Magic. But it was one of the

(43:21):
first books after that, So how long have you wanted
to be? Italian? Book? That was kind of like a practice,
you know, like it would be you know this is
and some of it I'd go through it and I'd
be like, oh, yeah, that sounds familiar, and then other
parts of it I was like, I have no idea
what this person's talking about at all. So I mean,
it just goes to show you how. And of course

(43:42):
I just flipped onto the food, cooking and eating page,
of course, and I mean that's I mean, food is
a ritual. Food is it's a healing. It's a way
to heal, you know, it's a way to spread you know,
your love and appreciation, and you know, bringing it back

(44:03):
to some of the magic, you know, whatever my mom
would make sus she had always stir it stirring and
good attentions. I starting to right, you know, starting back
out bad attentions, you know, to the left. She would
pray over her sauce, you know, say a couple of
hell Mary's in their couple our fathers. And then I
mean if she didn't do it, the sauce didn't turn

(44:23):
out as good. I swear it did not turn out
as good. And even when I do that, I'm like, oh,
this is so much better, you know. And when I
like light a candle or I put up a picture
of my family, or I do some quote unquote ancestral
veneration by you know, just in my kitchen, you know,

(44:44):
I feel more connected. And then I feel like their
energy almost and you know, knowing that like I might
not know these things, like maybe some things were lost,
but deep down I do now and just to kind
of like keep that in mind, like you're connected, you're
just still connected. But yeah, I would loved I've done
a lot of energy work, you know, I've had people

(45:10):
do energy work on me. So as far as like
removing the attachments are concerned, yeah, like I definitely feel
like that's something that you know, I feel like that's
something that would help for sure, because I know it's
helped me for you know, it definitely has. And it's
also like finding out all this information has made me

(45:31):
not so so afraid, yeah, afraid to like talk out
while to something or to write or saying hey, this
does exist. You know, I'm not crazy. This is not
a curse, per se this is just something that you know,
this is an attachment to this family, and they're attached
to it for a reason, you know, and to try

(45:52):
to you could drag yourself nuts trying to figure out
that reason. But also how do you live with that?

Speaker 1 (45:58):
Right?

Speaker 2 (45:59):
And you're right, like absolutely you could live in a
very surpressed way from it, or you can embrace it.
And I'm trying to do that as much as I
possibly can, because otherwise it's just going to make you nuts.

Speaker 3 (46:14):
You're right, that's that's the way. That's the way.

Speaker 1 (46:20):
Yeah, And I yeah, as you get older or a
lot of us get older, especially those of us who
do energy work, but we just realized you like just
to embrace your whole authentic self, and that includes the
parts of your history and maybe your family's history.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
That that you know aren't so good like and I
this is not part of my experience, but.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
I was talking to somebody who started digging into her
family tree and she's she found out that somebody and
her family had owned slaves. Since she was suddenly very
embarrassed by that fact. But it's like you didn't own
the slaves, you know, like this is this is part
of your family tree.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
Learn from.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
That experience, and you know, if you want more empathy,
dig into what it was like to be on the
other side of that enslavement, you know, but don't like,
don't be embarrassed for who you are in the way
that you can't control what family you were born into. No,

(47:31):
you know, so to walk around with a shadow over
yourself because of the family that you were born into
is not a healthy way to look at it. But
to see what you can learn from it, because for me,
it always goes back to what can you learn from it?

Speaker 2 (47:46):
Exactly exactly? And I think that, I mean, those are
all really good points. And you know, a lot of
times the things that even like admitting that there was
an attachment, admitting that there are certain things going on,
you know, with my mom and my family, I couldn't
admit that to people. I think, you know that that's
something that and I did, like there was this underlying shame,

(48:09):
this underlying there's something wrong, you know, And there's nothing wrong.
It's just it's there, you know, and it's just part
of your history and this is what it is. And
like you said, what do you learn from it? How
do you work with it? And what what do you
take what's your next Like, what do you take from it?
You know, And it's still for me, it's you know,

(48:31):
I'm learning things, you know, every day. Every day I
wake up and I'm like, I try to remember my
dreams because dream dreaming and dream symbolism is a big
thing that I grew up with too. Like we had
this book. I don't know if you guys had this
or if you knew anybody that had this, but it
was a book and then if you there's dreams and
then you would go into the book and then it
would it would equate to a number, and then you

(48:53):
would play that number.

Speaker 3 (48:55):
Oh, I don't know that book.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
Now it goes back to the like it's I guess
it was called les Morphia, which I guess it's Morphius,
the you know, Morphius, the Greek god of dreams. But
so that's kind of where it ties back to. But
really what it comes down to is it's this basic
dream book that you look up. You know, you have

(49:19):
a stream about you know, spaghetti, Spaghetti equals one, and
so you and then you know your mom was sitting
next to you. Mom is too, and then you know,
you drop the spaghetti on the floor that accidents are three,
and so you would play those numbers because we're supposed
to be given to you from the dream world, you know,
And there's I mean, it's I don't we don't have

(49:42):
the book anymore. My sister who went a little to
Christian I mean, she's an amazing person. I love her,
but I know that she was just doing things I
think just out of fear and a lot and she
found the comfort and that I kind of went the
other way. I'm not not a Christian, but I also
have kept my heart open and realized that there's you know,
you have to keep yourself open to things and you

(50:03):
have to face certain things too. But but you know,
I'm not always the best at either. But you know,
I'm human, I'm little, and I'm learning.

Speaker 3 (50:14):
Yeah, we're all human. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
I love the idea of that book. I have a
lot of dream interpretation and simple interpretation books, but that
is what I've never heard of. And now I'm going
to have to go find wood.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
I know, Like so I was. I really it's it's
a Neapolitan Naples like that's where it kind of originated.
And I remember having the book and on the front
of the book it was a paper book, right, it
was just like this book was made by people and
passed on. It was just basically like xerox and passed on.

(50:50):
And on the front of it was a devil, like
the very stereotypical red devil, and then there was all
these numbers on it. So of course you don't want
freaking look at it, especially if you grew up patholic
of me, I don't want to touch it, you know,
exactly exactly. So, I mean that's the kind of you know,
because it had that symbolism on it, but it's not

(51:11):
you know, it's not so much about that, but it's
just about like interpreting and then you know, what do
these numbers mean? This number? But it's kind of a
little weird how it was all connected to like the lotto,
go play this number. And which is really funny is
that a lot of not a lot. I don't want
to be stereotypical, but many Italian Americans ran numbers, and

(51:36):
my family on my mom's side just happened to run numbers,
so you could maybe see that connection there, like we're
gonna you have this dream, this is what this means?
One oh one is going to hit tonight. Yeah, So
I don't know, it's fun, it really is. It's it's

(51:56):
there's so many different things. There's so much to like
dig through. There's so many connections and you know, and
different beliefs, and I don't know, it's just something that,
you know, because when I started, you know, when I
came across that book in the library and I started

(52:17):
realizing that, oh, you know, there's something else in here,
like there is something else, and I don't want to
lose this, especially since you know, I'm fifty three and
you know, my mom passed away last year and my
dad died years ago, and a lot of that culture
and those memories, those things that you know, finding out
about the meloic, the dream interpretation, you know, the worms,

(52:41):
things like that. This is all word of mouth. You know,
a lot of it isn't written down, but now it's
beginning to you know, be written down, which is great,
you know, And I mean there's books and books out
there I could recommend, and you know, it's definitely something
that excites me, obviously because it's a part of my culture.

(53:01):
But I think it excites me on a bigger thing
than just my culture, because I think, you know, obviously
really interested in paranormal and healing and meditation.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
And you know the other, and so to me this
is just the other as well, that's the other, but
it came from your culture exactly, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (53:21):
It's your your own personal other.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
It is my own personal other.

Speaker 3 (53:26):
I love that. Cool. I'm trying so.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
All right, and I won all over a lot of
stuff tonight.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
You did, and I'm trying to think if there was
anything that like struck me while you were talking that
I didn't write down, because I think I think we
covered pretty much everything that I was going to ask about. Okay,
so I didn't prepare you for this question, and you
are welcome to not answer it. But when I interviewed Brian,

(54:05):
you know, he's I think I remember him saying something
about my wife has some stories and like paranormal stories.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
Do you have anything you want to share? And you
can say no, because I'm putting me on the spot.

Speaker 4 (54:21):
No, no, no, I mean.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
So I believe, just like ever since you know, I
believe like I inherited whatever I inherited to be able
to sense energies and whatever they are. And I distinctively remember,
you know, being at my house that I grew up
in and I would have visitations from this woman on

(54:46):
a regular basis, and she would always be outside my
window and she would always be like, you know, almost
beckoning me, but she would want to talk to me,
and I was you know, of course, I told my
family this and they didn't believe me. They're like, oh,
you're just making that up, you're a kid. But she actually,

(55:10):
I've never really quite figured out why she would come.
You know, she was just hanging out on the street.
She in a drive and was my foot. I don't know,
but to me, she had this like she presented herself
as having this beautiful red hair, long red hair, and
she presented herself in a gown, and that's, you know,

(55:32):
kind of what I remember. In some ways, she scared me,
of course, because she was there, Like what the hell
is she doing in my front yard? You know, like
what does she want from me? And it definitely felt
like she wanted something from me, She wanted to talk
to me, she wanted to express herself. So also in
that house, my daughter, my oldest daughter, who's now twenty five,

(55:56):
she had the experience and I did too as well,
where my father, uh you know, passed away when I
was like twenty six maybe, and then when I moved back,
I moved back with my daughter as a single parent
and with my mom. And so she said that she

(56:16):
remembers hearing the door open and then somebody coming up
the steps and she could see there see like they
were like a very dark shadow, and she could see
like where eyes would be, but it was just darker
her eyes would be, and that the person or the
being or whatever just popped in to check and then

(56:39):
just left. And that was something that my dad would do,
you know, to all of us. He was a still worker.
He would work like swing shifts, and I remember like
waiting up for him and hearing him come up the
steps and like you know, checking on us, and then
he would go to bed. So it's something that was
like almost like a repetitive thing, you know, like a
memory or whatever. For So that's something that that for sure,

(57:05):
you know, like I didn't experience that experience directly, but
it's something that you know, it's like, oh yeah, that's
my dad, absolutely, and you know even I would also
there would this is this is gonna sound so off
the ball, but I actually talked to somebody about this
and they kind of had a same experience. I had

(57:27):
this fan in my house that was like up top
like that would you know, was like would blow and
it was like our version of air conditioning because we
couldn't afford it at the time. Yeah, that's another thing
about Italian and Italian dads. They're always trying to like
come up with some device, you know, to do something.
Really just get the freaking air conditioning serious. But like

(57:52):
I would look up in this fan was attached to
my attic, and I would see another figure, another woman,
and she was it was different from this the woman
that would a pair out front to me, but it
was still noticeably her hair was up in a bun.
It was more like I knew that it was from

(58:13):
a different era. And she would just pere down at me.
And once again it was one of these things like, oh,
like what does she want from me? Like why is
she looking at me? And why is she only ap
pairing in the fan? Right?

Speaker 3 (58:27):
She knew how to keep cool exactly?

Speaker 2 (58:29):
Was there some type of like you know, because the
fan spinning and maybe it's making this, you know, like
and I'm imagining these things. But I actually talked to
a woman who was a hitler as well. I'd met
a couple of years ago and she said that she
used to have experience with fans as well, So I
don't know if that's something that'd be something interesting to
look into, Like, is that because you're seeing things because

(58:53):
the fans moving so fast? Is it?

Speaker 1 (58:56):
You know? What is the white I was gonna say
the white noise could could lull you into a sense
of relaxation, so you're more likely to be able to
experience something.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
Maybe.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
Okay, back to the lady in the white gown. When
you say gown, are you talking like nightgown, wedding gown?

Speaker 3 (59:20):
Just random dress?

Speaker 2 (59:22):
To me, it almost looked like, I guess it would
be like a celebration. It wasn't quite like a It
was a dress like dressy dress kind of thing, but
it wasn't a wedding dress like a ball gown or
something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly. But it's interesting though,

(59:45):
because I do remember having conversations with her and she
and this became connected to a dream that I had
later on in life. She would always say to me,
you're the one with the blood, and I'm like, what
the hell does that even mean?

Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:00:09):
Are you a.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
Are you trying to get me?

Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
Like, maybe that's why she was outside, you were inviting her.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
In freaking true. But yeah. So then later on in life,
I had this dream which I remember very vividly, right
before I found out I was pregnant with my daughter,
where I was taken into this limousine, taken into this

(01:00:39):
city that I never experienced before, and then a group
of women were around me and they were saying, you're
the one with the blood. You're the one with the blood.
So of course that's scared the hell, right, But and
I've learned to kind of like what does that mean?
So I've interpreted as you're the one carrying the blood,
you're the one with the DNA, like hearing that DNA.

(01:01:03):
And then with after following finding out that my I
was pregnant, after having that dream, I realized, you know,
there was a connection between my daughter and that dream.
And she has a lot of abilities. And in her
dad's side of the family, at their Koreans, he's Korean
American but they're from Korea. There's a lot of shamanism

(01:01:25):
in that side of the family, which you know, I
didn't even realize that that existed as well. Yeah, so
there's a lot of I just think there's a lot
of like links to this is your blood, this is
in your DNA, this is you know, there's nothing it
never It was scary because like anybody says you're the
one with the blood is going to scare the hell out.

Speaker 3 (01:01:46):
Of you, right, And yeah, that sounds way crapier.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
When you're little, right, right, and you know, like how
do you interpret that? And then telling my parents this
and my sister's this, like they just thought I was nuts.
They were just like, you're not you're making it up.
You're not whether or not it was true, it was
so vivid to me, and these conversations were happening telepathically,
you know, I could hear her. She just seems so

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sad to me, so very lost, and just like I
knew she didn't belong there. Yeah, but I knew that
she wanted contact.

Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
And by you're the one with the blood, it could
just mean that you are open enough to be able
to see her, and she's like finally somebody is seeing me.
Exact although the phrasing is a little creepy. So has
your daughter exhibited any abilities or like, because I mean

(01:02:46):
she's got your your DNA and then she's got shamanism
on the other side, Like she.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
Has a lot of dreams. She does a lot of
dreams like that, or like a lot of lot of symbolism,
like she will you know, she was in a relationship
and the necklace that her girlfriend gave her broke and
then after it broke then you know, they broke up

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kind of a thing. So there's a lot of symbolism
for her. I think that shows up a lot. And
her friends actually dream about me, which is and friends
that I've never met before.

Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
Interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
Yeah, so there's just I mean, so I don't know,
I don't know if it's just like it's connection to
other people that are you know, perceptive to that, you know.
And but this person that had that dream U or
that I was involved in, she's also Asian as well.

(01:03:48):
I mean not that that has but like some of
her beliefs come from you know, there's a lot of
dreaming beliefs in symbolism in her culture as well. Yeah,
and there's also actually in Italy and Sicily back to
there is that I went to this it's the Sanctuary

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of Saint Rosalia. And have you ever heard of Saint Rosalia.

Speaker 3 (01:04:13):
No, I don't think she's.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
Amazing like she is the Saint of She was rich.
Of course, she was martyred and they bricked her up
in this church or in this mountain thing.

Speaker 4 (01:04:24):
But she is a.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
What's the dream dream incubation. She does a lot with
dream incubation. And so her veins are in this mountain
side chapel in Sicily and right outside of Pilleramount, and
her remains are there, and she has there's her symbolism

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is she has a skull. She always carries a skull.
She has a skull with her, and then she has
a rose coming out of her ear. And her you know,
a ability or if which led her to being martyred
in the name the saint was that she would have
dreams and she would talk and dream incubations, you know,

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be able to do that and then have these dreams
and be able to speak directly to the Holy Spirit.
And in this church, you know, her remains are there.
But also they open up this church and hardly anymore
to people that want to come in and do dream incubation,
and they will let you sleep there. That happens very

(01:05:35):
very rarely. I really want to catch that at some point,
but they used to do it like a little bit
more often, you know. Of course, I don't even know honestly,
like time wise the last time maybe that they had
done that. But I did ask my friend with the
connections and in sicily like if that was something, and
she was like, well, we can ask and see if
that was something that they would let us do. But

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I don't know. I just in dream incubation and dreaming
and interpretation and similar symbolism has always been something too
for me. So I loved your your mini episode on
and I got a feather that night too. I was
out in the woods that night to father I did.

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
We both got a feather on the same day exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:06:17):
That's amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
Yeah. I was on like a little horse trail in
a local park and then I was like, I'm just
going to go through here and explore this. See where
I go, And I ended up finding a feather. No,
it wasn't as fancy as your feather. It was probably
just it was like a black, little black feather, but
still cool. I know. I put it in my pocket,
but now I don't know where it's at.

Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
Of course, I was going to say, you got the
feather you needed, and then it'll it'll turn.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
Up, It'll be fine, exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
Okay, so you're saying dream incubation, and that's the term
not I've not heard of, which like you're introducing me
to also at fifty one, and after being into the
stuff for decades, you'd think I would have heard of
everything by now, but no, you keep being me wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
I'm just kidding. There's no way I expect to know everything.

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
There is so much stuff out there, and unless you
talk about it, you're not going to know about it
right right, and you know a lot of it's kept
on the hush hush or buried or or whatever. But
that dream incubation is definitely when that kind of comes from.
I guess going back to and I'm gonna get this

(01:07:26):
totally wrong, like the Greek goddesses that they would go
to their whatever it was their spring or their hot
I was gonna say hot tail. I mean, I'll take it,
and then they would there was natural hot springs and
people they would there were seers there, seers, the oracles exactly,

(01:07:50):
thank you, thank you. So a lot of that kind
of because Greece, Greece, in Italy, especially Sicily are so
tied together when you do your DNA, which I didn't do.
My sister did the swap. Like you find like your Greek,
like if you're Sicilian or your Southern Italian, your big

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part of you is Greek as well. So so there's
lots of connections to that. But they did a lot
of so they a lot of the where they would
bring you know, people would come in and you know,
speak to the oracles, and you know, the same thing
with the Saint Rosellia. She was like she was basically

(01:08:31):
an oracle herself, so and that kind of you know,
I've read a little bit about dream incubation and have
often wanted to do that, but I think I kind
of what I do usually at night is I like
my forever glowing Saint Michael Archangel candle that I got

(01:08:55):
from the Catholic store that never burns out because it's fake.
It's an electric candle. And and so then before I
go to bed at night, I'll just say, you know,
I say some prayers of protection, and then I also
just say, you know, I'm open to dreams. You know,
if I want to talk to my mom, my mom

(01:09:15):
shows up in my dreams all the time. She's always there.
If I get upset about something or you know, I
need to talk to her, she shows up in my dreams.
So yeah, we still have a pretty big connection. And yeah,
so and I'm always trying to learn from those dreams
because that dream that I had so many years ago
before I was pregnant with my daughter, you know, that

(01:09:37):
still is on my mind. Like that's still I really
wish I could figure out exactly what it means. I
can only interpret right R and I could be like
miskewing it and pushing it into something that it's really not,
you know.

Speaker 3 (01:09:52):
So yeah, so cool.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
We've covered a lot tonight. I'm so glad I finally
got you on the podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:10:04):
I just as my fault. I hadn't actually asked.

Speaker 1 (01:10:09):
I just assume if somebody wants to be on the podcast,
are going to tell me, and so listeners, if you
want to be on the podcast, you have to tell me.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
Yeah. Absolutely. I appreciate your invite though, because I did.
But I'm also kind of you know, when you asked
me about like what my bio or introduction was, is
I'm still discovering I'm still discovering my you know, myself,
my talents. You know, I do healings, I've studied reiki.
I'm into this.

Speaker 5 (01:10:36):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
Italian folks stop too into learning things, into you know,
learning more about, you know, connecting with the other worlds.
So so yeah, I mean, I definitely I love to
talk about this stuff. We could talk four hours.

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
And we will.

Speaker 3 (01:10:52):
I'm sure, just not right now.

Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
Thank you so much for having me. I really appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:59):
I love the came on.

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:11:03):
Thanks again to Marcell for sharing her stories, and thank
you for listening. You'll find links to some of the
things Marcel mentioned during our interview in the show notes.
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Speaker 3 (01:12:29):
Your being here.

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Thanks again for listening. Stay safe and be well.

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