Episode 104: Elizabeth Powell Describes the Astral Realm

Elizabeth Powell returns to the podcast to discuss the Akashic Records, different levels of the Astral Realm, what entities you might meet there, how to discern them, and more!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
In episode fifty, you met Elizabeth Powell and learned about
shadow work. She's joining us again to enlighten us about
the Acashic Records and the astral Plane. Stay tuned for
a fascinating conversation. Welcome to the Peak Podcast. I'm your

(00:44):
host Nicole Morock, and I'm grateful you're here. The two
big ideas behind the Peak Podcast are to show that
the paranormal is more normal than most people think, and
to connect the science to the SI, including esp psychokinesis
and into tuition. In this episode, we're talking to Elizabeth
Powell about two topics that cover a wide range of

(01:07):
aspects of the paranormal. A quick update on my book,
Daughter of the Mystic Moon. The Kickstarter will launch on Tuesday,
July eighth. It will be live and available for backing
for fifteen days. If it is funded, everyone who pledges
will receive their physical rewards That means their books by

(01:29):
the end of August, and their digital rewards will come sooner.
Special note if you want a hardcover copy with a
dust jacket, the Kickstarter is the only way to receive
that version of the book. It will not be available
through normal retail outlets. You can read the first chapter
of Daughter of the Mystic Moon for free on my

(01:52):
website and follow the kickstarter page to be notified when
it launches. Those links are in the show notes. Now
back to this episode's interview. Elizabeth Powell first joined me
on episode fifty shadow Work with Elizabeth Powell, and since
then she has added many more skills and experiences to
her repertoire. She is an Akashic Records practitioner and Karuna

(02:17):
Holy Fire Reiki master. Through Be the Light Wellness, Elizabeth
helps soul seekers step into personal empowerment, spiritual awakening, and
deep self connection through reiki, akasic readings, and holistic healing programs.
Let's dive in with Elizabeth. Hi Elizabeth, how are you

(02:38):
doing tonight?

Speaker 2 (02:40):
I'm good? How are you?

Speaker 1 (02:42):
I'm good. I am so excited to talk to you again.
I haven't spoken to well. I have spoken to you
some since then, but we haven't had a podcast interview
since episode fifty, and I'm on episode one oh four
I think will be this one. So it's been it's
been a minute.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Yes, yes, last time, I'm.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
Happy you're here. I'm sorry. Last time we talked, we
talked about shadow Work and we talked about reiki and
since then you have added some skills to your repertoire
and now you're doing work with the Akashak Records.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
Yes, I was.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
I would love to find out how you got into
that and what it is that you do.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
Okay, yeah, so just I guess for a little introduction,
I guess. So my name is Elizabeth and I'm an
Akashak Records practitioner and channeler of Divine from a Reiki,
which is a unique healing system that was gifted to
me through the Akashak Records. And it's a new style

(03:59):
of reiki that that actually helps people heal through past lives,
doing soul retrievals, cord cuttings, and just really provides a
beautiful life changing transformations. And I work with empathic women
who are ready to reclaim their power that they've handed

(04:19):
over either in relationships, family dynamics, or past traumas. So
in my private sessions, I like to mix my methodologies
divine fomen in reiki, Kashak readings, clearings, and past life
progressions to really bring in like this soul level healing
and clarity. So I also teach reiki, So I teach

(04:44):
all the reiki levels, all the way up to Karuna
holy Fire and divine women in reiki as well. So
I'm super excited about all of that. But that's a
little bit about who I am and what I do.
As far as getting into to the records, my first

(05:06):
experience with the Akashak Records actually goes back way further
than even Reggie, because the first time that I personally
ever heard about the Akashak Records was in church. Oh
really so yeah, So I would hear my grandfather preaching
and talking about how when we die, God will read

(05:29):
from the Book of Life and will go over with
me every single experience and every thought and everything I
did or didn't do that I was supposed to. And
while he didn't call it the Akashak Records, but whenever
I finally did get into the Akashak Records, I realized
that the Records and the Book of Life in Christian terms,

(05:53):
is one and the same. But yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Think that makes a lot of sense. I have not
put those two things together, so you might have just
blown my mind a little bit.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
Yeah, there's there's a lot of crossover that people don't
realize between Eastern and esoteric beliefs in Christianity, and it's
just it's really been interesting to see for me, you know,
with the work that I do from just a personal
belief standpoint. While yes I am still Christian, but I

(06:37):
bring in and really look at a lot of the
esoteric teachings and there is such an animal called esoteric
Christians where it is that Christianity belief where God and
Jesus Christ is the center of your belief systems. But
you know, conversations of past lives and reincarnation is talked
about and is accepted as well as you know what

(07:00):
we're going to talk about with the astral realm, and
you know, entities there and ghosts and you know things
like this. So it's it's really interesting.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
I love it. I guess I am an esoteric Christian too.
So and I just learned another new thing. You are.
You are your honor roll with me tonight and I
love it. So Okay, So how did you actually get
into the Kashic records? Like what was what spurred your

(07:31):
interest in that?

Speaker 3 (07:32):
Right?

Speaker 2 (07:33):
So, I at the time I was, I was practicing
reiki and was taking on clients and then I had
one of my clients asked me. They were said, did
you have you ever had a nakashic record reading? And
I said, you know, I have never heard of that
because at this time I still was thinking, you know,
Book of Life wasn't put into and two together, and

(07:55):
I was like, I would love to do that. Let
me just try this. And when you think of a
Kashak record readings, you kind of start to have this
idea similar to like psychic readings. Okay, And while Akashak
readings and psychic readings are similar in the fact that

(08:16):
the reader is doing channeling, but in an a Kashak
record reading, the practitioner or the reader is channeling the
Akashak records, not the person's individual energy. So the guides
that are in your records are speaking through the channel

(08:37):
and offering guidance in that way. So I went in
for my reading and it blew me away. It explained
things about myself and things that I have seen around
other people all my life, and what my soul came

(08:58):
here to do, even talking about my sole purpose and
my sole blueprint. And I had been really confused in
the dark about a lot of this stuff most of
my life because I didn't have I didn't grow up
in that environment that explained those kinds of things, and
that a Kashak record reading gave me that clarity that
I never thought that I would have, and on top

(09:20):
of it gave me a direction. So I got into
it that way, and then I decided that I wanted
to be a reader for myself. And of course, whenever
you start reading for yourself and you are a healer,
it naturally comes that you want to heal other people.

(09:40):
So I just continued on with my training.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
So when you do Akashak record readings, like you mentioned
the soul blueprint, what exactly does that entail?

Speaker 2 (09:56):
Yeah, So whenever we sit down for reading, like I
said the practitioner, we'll sit down and we're going to
channel and go into the person's nacostic records, and you
or anybody can sit and ask your guides questions about anything.

(10:21):
I mean, the records hold everything, every life, whether it's
on this planet or on another planet. You can ask
about star seed and galactic lives. You can ask about
your relationships, your past lives. You can ask them about
your children and why they chose you as a parent.

(10:43):
You know, any soul contracts, themes that are in your
sole blueprint. You know, the list goes on and on.
I do provide a little PDF to send to people
because people are like, I have no idea what to
ask my records, and it is that's overwhelming. So I
always send a little PDF to help people know how

(11:07):
to structure their questions. So that's what we do in
a reading, is we sit down and we talk to
your guides. You're as sended masters, teachers and loved ones
who sit in your records, and we talk about different things.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
So are these guides different from the guide the I
can't think of the right word for it, Like the
day to day guides that you always have around you
day to day is not the word I'm looking for,
But you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
Yes, yes, So you always have a guide. You have
one guide that goes with you into every life, okay,
and that is considered a teacher for you. It's that
guide is just a little bit further on their spiritual
journey than you are. And and and so that particular

(12:03):
guide that's with you all the time. Those are more
along the lines of an They're found in the astraplane,
they're found in the fourth dimension. They can be in
higher dimensions. It just depends on the teacher. It depends
on where you are at the time of consciousness. And

(12:25):
so there are different guides the in the Acashic records,
and they're broken down into three different categories. Okay, okay,
So first you have the assented masters, and these are
ones that people recognize the most, like this is Jesus Christ,
this is Buddha, Mary Magdalen, Kwan Yin Julkool like people

(12:50):
that we know may have had an earthly incarnation, but
they've transcended past the need of having earthly incarnations. But
they really help support humanity for you know, from these
higher realms and they hold a lot of wisdom from
many different traditions. So the ascended masters are the ones

(13:11):
that you sit down with before you incarnate and they
help you map out your life, okay, and so they're
really they're really wonderful to talk to, and they're really
wonderful to ask about guidance and stuff with your sole purpose.
The second type is teachers. So this is a little

(13:34):
bit more of a mysterious group. It's usually the most misunderstood,
but the teachers are non physical beings of light who
may or may not have incarnated on earth, but they
exist to help you understand your soul lessons and your
patterns and your contracts. So they're not really emotionally attached
to your choices, but they do guide you along the way.

(13:58):
So they don't usually give names, but they might present
themselves in forms that may feel familiar to you, like
they could be angelic beings or they could be spirit animals.
You know, those are good examples that people might recognize
as the teachers. And the last ones are going to

(14:19):
be your loved ones. And these are souls who you've
had a relationship with in your life or in another life,
and they whenever they passed, they were given a choice
to be in your Akashak records and they chose to
do that. And they're not ghosts that are like stuck
or anything like that. But that fragment that you know

(14:42):
from your incarnation with them is there and it is
helping you. And it's not just your family. This could
be a friend who's passed or your third grade teacher
that you really resonated with and they passed and they
were like, hey like to be in your Akashak records.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
So and every person who comes to you has a
different set of guides. Is that right?

Speaker 2 (15:14):
They can so, I mean some can overlap, especially the
ascended masters and teachers, but yeah, everybody has their own individual,
little little group of supports that is so cool. And
they have really wonderful senses of humor. They do crack jokes,
which I was not expecting. But as whenever I was

(15:41):
learning to do this and was talking to my guides,
they were like, if you have a sense of humor,
then your higher self does too, and that means that
we all do. It's like, okay, I love it. I
love it.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
That's good because it would be awkward if you have
a sense of humor and your guys don't. That's the
type of thing that movies are made of or memes. Awesome. Okay,
So when people come to you for a n Akashak
record reading, I would guess that they are looking for

(16:19):
some sort of answers, like they're kind of lost and confused.
Or do you have people who come who just like
they got it down, they just need one little tip
as to which direction to go at this moment. Or
is it a little bit of everything.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
It's a little bit of everything. The Akashak record readings
is really good. To help you get that bigger picture
perspective of your journey through life. And like I said,
it's not about fortune telling and trying to predict the future.

(16:57):
So if you come to a reading and you're like
when am I going to get married? The guides are
going to pop back sometimes with answers like well, when
are you going to get serious about your dating prospects?
You know, like they're going to put it back you,
you know, because they want you to take just this beautiful,
radical responsibility for your life. So I tell people the

(17:20):
Akashak records is in the fifth dimension and above, so
it's in those places of unconditional love. So if you're
wanting to come to an Akashak Record reading, then you
probably are going to be asking for some clarity. Or
you may be on a spiritual journey and doing the
inner work and it's like you've done the work, You've

(17:44):
done the work on this one thing over and over again,
and it keeps coming up and you don't know what
to do, you know, to break this pattern. That's usually
keywords for me as a practitioner, that's like, okay, this
is this is a great time for us to do
a healing is there any soul contracts with you and
another person that can be cleared to this time, or

(18:05):
any cord cuttings that we can do, just to name
a few things. So there's different things that you can do.
You can even do soul retrievals, you know, if you
have soul franvitations. But yeah, it's a little bit of
a little bit of everything.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
Yeah, soul retrievals are a really interesting idea to me. Like,
that's so actually, rather than me say I think it's this,
can you please explain what a soul retrieval is?

Speaker 2 (18:36):
Is up?

Speaker 1 (18:37):
Probably not quite there?

Speaker 2 (18:41):
So a soul retrieval? How can I best explain this?
First off, you think of your higher self like you
have a higher self and then you come to this
earth to incarnate you yourself are just a fractal of

(19:06):
your higher self. This is where we get into the
concept of twin flames. I won't talk about that, but
that's where you get this concept. And so whenever you
have a traumatic moment in this life, and whenever I
say traumatic moment is a trauma to you, it does

(19:27):
not have to be like something abuse or anything like that.
It's trauma to you. Sometimes our spirit will exit out
of the body because it doesn't feel safe in the moment,
and during that exit time a piece may break off, okay,

(19:52):
and then it's safe to come back in the body.
That part of you comes back in, but the soul
fragments left in that moment, and then what happens is
that that soul fragment stays in this loop of what's
of what has happened in the past. So we do
soul retrievals to go back to reclaim that fractal and

(20:17):
bring it back into our light grid or our energy field. Okay, Okay.
I hope that answered your answer question.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
That did.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
That?

Speaker 1 (20:29):
Did actually that that answered it? And I would have
been not quite right. So I'm glad I didn't take
a wild guess on what that was. And I'm sure
that you actually answered the same question for some of
the listeners out there too.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
Good.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
Okay. So another thing that you had mentioned we could
talk about is the U three levels of the astral plane.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
Yes, yes, the astral plane. This is a really big topic.
I thought that this would be great whenever we you know,
we're going to do this interview, because your podcast is
about the everyday paranormal and the paranormal is is that
astral realm. It's that fourth dimension okay, And whenever I

(21:23):
say the astial realm, for those that may not know
exactly what that is, it's the fourth dimension. And it's
often described as that space that we enter into during
dreams or deep meditation, sometimes near death experiences if you're

(21:43):
an astrail projector. But it exists between our physical world
and the fifth dimension and above those higher spiritual planes. Okay,
And it is huge, it is. It's vast like there's
there's dimens within dimensions within dimensions, and our brains do

(22:04):
not like this. Brains like lenear but time and the
concept of space does not work the same. Okay. So
for those of you that might be listening, you might
be an astral worker, and you may either do this

(22:24):
through lucid dreaming or shamanic journeys, meditations, astral projections. But
that's the realm that you're going into. This is the
realm that shaman's work in a lot, because they do
the journeys and the concept and the whole lesson of
this realm is about discernment.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
This is where you go into this realm and you
can discern between spirits of the light and those that
are not. But there are three different levels of the
astral plane. Okay. So you have the higher astral world,
and the higher asterial world is the place that most

(23:09):
people are trying to go to because it does mimic
a lot of like this angelic feeling to it. It's
very light filled. You will meet some angels here, your
astral guides are here, and you can access some soul
level wisdom there. But it's still the fourth dimension and

(23:31):
it's so you still have to use common sense and
discernment in the in these realms, okay. And then you
have the middle world. This is the one that people
go to the most, especially in dreams, because this is
also referred to as the mirror world. So it is
a complete reflection of Earth. Every rock, every blade of grass,

(23:55):
me you, everything has an astral counterpart in it. Okay.
So this is where you go in your dream world
to kind of play out any unresolved issues, either within
yourself or you can do this with another person. Okay.

(24:16):
So I always tell people whenever we do dream work
during as Akashak readings, it's like, all right, we have
to really look at your dream characters, we have to
figure out like who's what, and then we have to
discern if that's really them or if this is a
fake version or an entity that is pretending to be

(24:38):
somebody else. So you will find trickster energies within the
astral realm. That's why we have to discern and kind
of test the spirits, as Jesus pointed out in the Bible.
And I love it because a lot of Christians don't
realize that Jesus talks about the astral realm all the

(25:02):
time and talks about these trickster energies and how testing
the experience is really important because we do this work.
You know, we have we we ourselves have an astral body. Okay,
so we have that connection there. But the last plane

(25:22):
within the astral realm is called the lower astral world,
or it's also known as the eighth sphere. So this
is I call it the nightmare world. So whenever you
have a nightmare and or like I have people who

(25:44):
say I think, I think my parents' house is haunted
and I'm like, okay, how do you know this? And
they're like, well, I had a dream, and I keep
having a dream that I go and I am in
my parents' home and there's all these scary things in
their home, and I think it's haunted. And I'm like,

(26:05):
I hate to break this to you, but there's fake
versions of everything. Also in the astral plane. There's fake
there's fake Jesus, okay in the astral plane. So it
does not necessarily mean that your parents house, for the

(26:26):
sake of example, is haunted. It means that whenever you
went into the astral plane, you probably were in between
the lower and the Middle worlds and you were trying
to work through some things or trying to, you know,
maybe even spiritually clear out some stuff that is around you.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
You know, so.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
Just so people know if you're experiencing that. But the
lower world really does have a lot of shadows, a
lot of earth bound spirits, parisit, parasitic energies, And if
you're an astral worker, this is where you can do
a lot of shadow work. You can combine the two,
but you have to really know what you're doing, and

(27:11):
you really have to know how to discern the spirits,
because you'll have spirits that will come in and act
like they're like I said, like they're Jesus and they
want you to worship them, you know, by doing certain things,
like they they reveal themselves to you by by speaking
certain things and asking you to do certain things. But

(27:34):
those are the three planes. And then you have what's
known as the transition zone, okay, or in esoteric terms,
it's called Kama loka and that's k A m A
l o ka okay. And this is the region of

(27:58):
the astral realm that we know in the Western tradition
is purgatory, okay. So this is the realm of desires
and attachments, a lot of emotional residues here for people,
but it's part of the human experience after we die, okay.

(28:25):
So this transition zone is located you know, lower to
middle astral plane. And like I said, it's a transit
it's a transitory zone that souls will pass through after death,
especially those that still are heavily attached to the material

(28:46):
world and they haven't fully released emotional wounds or addictions
or their identity. Okay. So technically this would be the
space swear. There's earthbound spirits or ghosts that can linger
if they have some unresolved traumas guilt, or they're maybe

(29:07):
unaware that they died, Okay, So it really depends on
the person's incarnation and what kind of work that they've
done on themselves and spiritually or just kind of how
they are, their tendencies of how attached they can be
to determine what kind of work they do here and

(29:29):
how long they stay here before they go into their
next journey.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
Okay. So using a personal example that I've put out
to everybody who listens on the podcast. So if you
if you haven't heard this, and then Elizabeth, I don't
expect you to have heard this because you're busy, but
people who listen regularly have probably heard about my experience.
When I moved into this new house last year, there

(29:57):
was something and I'm not even sure it was a
human spirit that was very angry. This is a new
build construction neighborhood and I was like the eighth person
to move in out here, and there's only like, I
think twenty five houses.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
So.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
Brand new neighborhood. And I'm a sensitive one. So, as
has been the case my entire life, I get to
be the target when somebody or something somewhere on the
other side of the veil decides, oh I need attention.
So I was being attacked. I had stuff happen while

(30:38):
I was awake, But I was attacked in my sleep twice, okay,
And the first one I woke up and I thought
I had had a stroke because it was a very
physical situation. The second one, I was dreaming, and I

(31:03):
was I was at the Lincoln Theater, which is a
bar that I work at regularly doing lights, and in
this dream and I was like, why isn't anybody here?
This is going to be a great show. The place
was just like empty and dark and creepy, and you
know those kind of venues can be empty and dark

(31:24):
and creepy, but this was like to a whole nother level.
And then I could see myself from behind me and
a hand was reaching towards my shoulder, and I got
creeped out. And as I was waking up, I said,
I like whispered, go away. And I felt the sheets

(31:47):
and my like my pajama top and the sheet move
as I was waking up, like something had gone through
me and out from my chest. And that was that
happened to me. The morning that I had an appointment
with a shaman to figure out if I had picked
up a spirit attachment or if it was something attached
to the house. So like I was already planning to
take care of this thing. I just needed somebody with

(32:10):
an outside sensibility, like a third party, to tell me
what was going on, because I was a little too
close to it, you know, like when I'm helping other people,
I can usually figure it out, but when it's me anyway. So,
having gone through that story briefly, is that an example
of dealing with that transition zone? Or like, what do

(32:36):
you think that was?

Speaker 2 (32:39):
From what it sounds like there? Like I said, are
there are tricks or energies in the astro playing and
then there can be It's very interesting. There's a mixture.
To me, what that sounds like is an entity that

(33:02):
from the Akashak record perspective, is called the shade okay.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
This is.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
Known as are described as the shell of a person's
shadow self that is left after their period in the
transition zone. And so the souls went off to reincarnate,
but this shell is left, okay, and it can look

(33:32):
like a person, It can look like that very same person.
But these parts can sometimes be used by entities that
are not of the light, and and they can they
can really attack you in your dreams and in the

(33:55):
astral plane, and everything that happens in the act strial
plane effects our three D world because they're just so connected.
So that's what it sounds like to me. And so

(34:16):
it could be a mixture of like I said, somebody's
shadow self that was left over and an entity was
using it to just you know, aggrevate you, tried to
come towards you and try to gain access in some
way to you, because those things that the shade, and

(34:36):
then there's the vitalized shell of this where our own
thoughts can create these entities if it's powerful enough. So
this is where you get these ideas now in the
spiritual world where people are talking about like self development,
what's your thoughts? What's your thoughts? And it's true because

(34:58):
these thought forms, your fear, your worries, your insecurities can
feed these things and will manifest in the astro realm,
and then they can take a mind of their home
and actually come towards you and use your very fear
against you. So it could be it could be a
mixture of some things going on. I would I would

(35:20):
have to probably look in your Kahak records to know
what was going on for sure, you know. Yeah, or
even look into the acacak records of the home that
you've purchased. Interesting because yeah, your your house, your business.
Even your pets have a Kashak records. But that's what
it sounds like to me. Yeah, from my kind.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
Yeah, and I I smudged and used holy water and
I haven't had an issue since. So it was it was.
It was over that day after I talked to my
shaman friend. Oh yeah, good, but yeah, it was. That
was the first time I had been that creeped out

(36:04):
and scared since I was a teenager living in a
haunted house like I be. You know, I I do
paranormal investigation and I do energy work and it takes
a lot to really freak me out, and that that
thing got to me, but then I took care of it.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
So yeah, like I said, they have they have the
ability to really know what you fear, like I said,
and use it against you. And so this is probably
a good time to talk about how those kind of
entities do this, especially in dreams, because like the dream

(36:47):
that you were experiencing, where you were in that place
that looked like your work, Okay, that lets me know
that you're you were in the mirror world, okay. Yeah,
And and it was creating this illusion of what was
happening to set you up to feed off of your fear, okay.

(37:09):
And so that illusion is called glamour okay, okay, And
every astral being can do it, whether it's of the
light or not. Okay, most of the time, if they're
of the light, they have no reason to do this, right,
trying to deceive you, But they can if they have
an astral form. So a good example of glamour that

(37:34):
people probably would recognize is maybe you've seen movies where
there's a witch in the forest, okay, and these hunters
are walking through the woods and they come upon a
very beautiful maiden and all of a sudden there's like
this table of amazing food, and they sit down and

(37:57):
they're flirting with the woman and they're eating this beautiful food,
and then all of a sudden the food turns rotten. Yea,
and the beautiful woman turns into the witch, and she
has the element of surprise and kills them. Okay. That
illusion is called glamour, okay, And so astral beings can
do that even in your dreams to create that.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
Well, I don't like that. Yeah, And I've heard of
glamour in similar ways, just because I read a lot
of fantasy. So that's that's an idea that comes up
a lot in fantasy. But yeah, that's that's really interesting.

(38:45):
Like I I go to a lot of places in
my dreams that have had importance to me, like that
particular venue or my childhood home. And so the house
that I lived in from third through ten grade in
Mississippi ended up being haunted before we moved because somebody

(39:06):
played with the beeg board. It was not me. I
knew better, and we invited something in and that it
didn't leave, and that then while we were living there,
I started having nightmares and things started moving literally in
the house. But then we moved, so but I still
have times, not all the time, but usually more stressful

(39:30):
periods of my life. I go back to that house
and it's the creepiest place ever, like way creepier than
it was in life. So to think about that's like
the mirror version of the house and it still gives
me the creeps. It's kind of interesting.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
Yeah, So I mean, and so it sounds to me
like your soul is still desiring to do some work.
So you may you may have even had a soul
contract with with the else that home you planned to
live in, that kind of home, and two, you know,
resolve any issues from that house.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
That's that's a really interesting thought. Okay, I might have
to come to you for an a classic record reading.
And I only laugh because it's true. Okay. So, so
once somebody passes, does everybody go to that transition zone? Like?

Speaker 2 (40:35):
Yes, okay, Yeah, everybody goes to the transition zone. And
I say that because everybody has a life review with
their guides and they go over like what was this
life supposed to be about? What karma was you able
to neutralize or correct? And what were you not? You know,

(40:57):
things like that.

Speaker 1 (40:59):
Okay, And I would guess, since it's kind of like
purgatory that your time in that zone probably depends on
how much you still need to work through or just
your ability to let go or something along those lines.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
Yeah. I mean, so think a little bit about how
we pass. Before we even have our exit point and
go into the transition zone. Our body has to prepare,
our mind has to prepare, and that usually takes you know,

(41:38):
well ten twenty years, you know, and then you finally
get to that point where you are passing and you've
come to terms with not being here, and you've ticked
all your boxes of what you want to take care
of before you leave and say the things that you
want to say to your family. So whenever you go

(41:59):
and if you die that way and you go into
the transition zone, you may spend a little less time there.
It depends on again, like your incarnation and what you
were able to do or not do whenever you were alive.
That will depend on how long you stay there. But
you have free I want people to know that, like
you have free will to stay there. Okay. This is

(42:22):
not like a punishment zone. Okay, So because I know
people ask me a lot, like if people have committed
suicide or they've had like sudden death kind of stuff,
and you don't have that preparatory time beforehand, and there's
the concepts like okay, like if you do this or

(42:45):
you experience this, that you're going to go to purgatory
or this transition zone because God's punishing you. Okay, right,
That is not so okay. That transition zone is to
help those spirits laws that they have are passed and
to do the necessary prep work that they needed to
do that they didn't have a chance to do. Okay,

(43:08):
and they have their own guides there that are helping
them with this process. That's good before before they journey on.
So if anybody has lost a loved one to that,
I don't want them to worry. I don't want them
to think that their loved one is being punished or
that they're trapped somewhere. Their souls have free will always

(43:30):
to stay where they need to be for their process.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
Okay, this is going to be a random question, but
I just read it like a few months ago, well
at this point six months ago. Have you ever read
the Afterlife of Billy Fingers?

Speaker 2 (43:47):
I have not known.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
Okay, write that's out, and actually it very much matches
what you're saying. And the lady who wrote it, Billy Fingers,
was her brother. It was a brother's nickname, and she
wrote it because he died suddenly. He'd had a really

(44:11):
rough time with this life and she went into a
deep depression and he started visiting her from the transition zone.
And they didn't call it that, but what you're describing
is very much what he described. Where he was, and
so it's it's a really interesting book. And you know,

(44:32):
whether it's totally true or she was just a novelist
who got creative, it's it's totally worth the read.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
Nice. Yeah, I definitely will read that. I love stuff.
Read that.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
Yeah, it was really good. Okay, have we covered everything
we said we were going to cover?

Speaker 2 (44:55):
I mean, I haven't gone over. I've talked about a
few entities that you with me in the astral plane,
and I don't think that I've gone over. Like how
the concept of ghosts, Yes, what happens. So I'm glad

(45:15):
that we touched on soul fragmentation because ghosts and apparitions
are similar to this. Okay, So yeah, so the concept
of ghosts and apparitions. So let's say that you are

(45:37):
investigating a haunted place and you go and you happen
to see the ghost or the apparition, like you see
the guy walking down the corridor every every night at
eight pm, right or whatever whatever the situation is. What

(45:59):
you're seeing is actually not a stucked soul, Okay, Like
the soul has already transitioned on. Like there's nothing that
can happen that will stunt a soul's journey. Okay. So
what you're seeing and what you're experiencing in that way

(46:19):
is you are seeing the fragment that has broke off Okay,
that's stuck in that loop. Okay, and you just happen
to be sensitive enough to see it, or there's enough
energetic energy behind this moment for this person that is

(46:45):
allowing it to be seen even with the human eye
or within the three third dimension our physical world. Okay, okay,
same thing with intuitives, like whenever you go to a
haunted house and maybe you don't see, you know, the ghost,
but they go to a corner in the room and
they're like, okay, something happened here right here. So what

(47:09):
they're picking up on is actually the energetic impression of
the house or the place that's haunted, because again that
has a consciousness too and holds onto memories. So they're
actually reading like some of the energy of the home
and that's one of the energetic imprints of the place

(47:31):
that you're investigating. Does that make sense?

Speaker 1 (47:35):
It does with like the repeated action. At the same time,
paranormal investigators tend to call that residual haunting, which is
basically the same idea. It's just something. Some people call
it the stone tape theory, and for whatever reason, that
phrase drives me nuts. But it's the idea that there

(47:58):
was so much energy in that action that it got
impressed into the energy of the building and those who
are sensitive might be able to see it or hear
it or somehow pick up on it. And then the
other just trying to like make these connections. The other is, yeah,

(48:23):
it's similar. I don't think we have like, well, everybody's
got a word for something, but I don't think there's
like a good agreed upon word for that. But it
makes a lot of sense to me.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
Yeah, yeah, it's just like I said, it's just you're
you're witnessing that that soul fragment stuck in that loop.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
So when you work with somebody to retrieve a soul fragment,
you you can take them back to that moment and
have them but release that is that the right word
you can?

Speaker 2 (49:00):
So? And so it depends on what. So whenever we
do healings in the Kashak records, we always have to
ask the person's higher self if if this is ready
to be released? Okay, because like your guides are never
going to heal something just for the sake of you bypassing,

(49:22):
like they want you to do the work. So but
if like, let's say that a higher self says, yes,
we can do this work. And there's a soule fragment
back in a past life for somebody and it's actually
you know, haunting or a ghost in a haunted place,

(49:42):
we could go back. We could go back through into
the past life or travel back to that place for
that person. And there's two ways we can do this
because again, the sole fragment that has broke off has
free will also, so it may choose to return or not. Okay,

(50:04):
So we can either go back and let's say that
the soul fragment does not want to return, we can
still work in the energy of what happened in that
moment to clear or release or accept or integrate whatever
needs to be done to where now that soul fragment
is getting what it needed that it didn't get in

(50:26):
the past. Okay, Okay, if it does want to return,
then we can actually retrieve the fragment itself and bring
it back into the light grid of the person.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
Okay, So when you say I was gonna say so,
when you say light grid, do you mean energy fields?
So yeah, okay, all right, that makes sense. I'm processing
as we're talking, because this is there's a lot of
a lot of new stuff for me and like I said,
making the connections. Yeah, so are there other types of

(51:05):
entities you might meet there? I mean we've talked about
the ascended masters, like.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
Yeah, well the ascended masters are going to be remember
fifth dimensioned it above?

Speaker 1 (51:15):
Right, okay, right, right right, But.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
There are I probably don't have time to go every
over every single one.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
Yeah, No, I do want to be respectful of your evening.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
Like I said, I don't know how long your episodes
tend to be, but I do there are some I
do want to cover that I think might be important
if people are doing ask work and they encounter these.
So we talked a little bit about the shade okay,
where that is the shell of a lower or shadow

(51:51):
self of a person that's left after their period in
the transition zone and it's kind of wandering around out there.
Sometimes you see this, like if you dream and you
see shadowy figures, maybe they don't really do anything, but
they just happen to be kind of lurking around or
walking around that could that's what could be shade okay

(52:15):
in the astral world, but they can be used by
other entities to do work or to cast glamour or whatever.
Then you have the vitalized shell within that where your
thought forms are creating shadows and they're creating these entities
in the astral realm that can again take a mind

(52:38):
of their own, kind of escape their creator and can
come back on you. But the good thing about this
is that if you create it, then you can destroy it. Okay.
So those are the two that we've kind of touched
on already. See, let's go ahead and get this out

(53:02):
of the way. Angels okay, Yeah, so you can see
there's so angels think of angels. There's hierarchies. There's hierarchies
within angels, and humans are actually within that hierarchy. Okay.
So a lot of people that are incarnated right now,

(53:22):
not everybody, but a lot of people are trying to
ascend into being that angelic being and that's what their
journey is about. So you can see angels in the
astral plane and they are usually trying to They usually

(53:47):
are trying to raise the vibration of the person that's
doing the astral work into those angelic frequencies. Okay, so
sometimes that can happen even in dream world or in
meditations okay. And sometimes they can take human form just
like you. Just like you read, they can take human

(54:09):
form and do the same as well. And they can
even be from different star systems.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
So that was really interesting to me because we think
about star systems and we automatically think star seeds are aliens.
But yeah, angels can be in different star systems as well,
depending on what their functions are and what they're doing
at the time.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
Okay. I don't know why we would limit it. We
just are humans and like to put boxes around things,
but yeah, I never thought about it.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
Then there's nature spirits like your elves, your gnomes, your
you know, things like that, and they're pretty neutral, like
they don't really hate humans. They're just kind of indifferent,
but they are mischievous, okay, which is why we have
fairy tales. Okay, so often people are like, oh, this

(55:08):
is like fairy tale stuff and all this and all that.
Human awareness and consciousness was so different back then, okay,
to where you know, they didn't have televisions, there was
a lot more neutral time. You know, there was a
lot more time for people to explore themselves or to
be connected in that way to where they could see

(55:30):
these things, you know, And so that's where you get it.
That's where the stories come from, is people actually experiencing
seeing these nature astral beans, you know. Yeah, so you
can see those just remember that they can cast glamor Okay, yes,

(55:51):
just remember that. Let's talk about some other ones here.
The other two that I really would like to tell
about is what's called the adept, and it's adept the adept,
so this is someone who was living who was also

(56:14):
working with their with a with a master or a teacher,
and they've transitioned over and they're awaiting a reincarnation. But
essentially they're kind of hanging out in the astral plane
and they are a teacher and an astral guide for

(56:35):
another person. Okay, if that makes sense. So once they're
lessons with you are complete, they move on and they
go into their reincarnation.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
Okay, all right, So would an adept be part of
the team you contact when you work with the records
or is this just something completely different.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
That one is more since it's that one's in the
transition zone still.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
Okay, so not so not up to the fifth dimension
and beyond. Okay, I'm getting it.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
The adept is actually trying to work their way ascendedly
to that, to where they could be just a teacher,
you know, because teachers have remember they have or maybe
have not incarnated, but they've kind of leveled up to
and into those things. So the adept is sort of
like the in between.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
Okay, school, that's my goal for my next in between you.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
So yeah, but this is a good example. Sometimes sometimes
in the astral plane, if you meet an adept, it
could be a past life you.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
Interesting doing.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
And sometimes, like I'll see that in the teacher section
of the Acashic records. Depending on what dimension that the
soul has been able to ascend to, you can have
a past life version of you or a future version
of you trying to help you on your journey. So
that's really cool I've seen. And then there's just ordinary

(58:26):
people after death, okay, so like they really weren't doing
any kind of spiritual development and that that's okay, not
every life is about that, but they just they've died
of old age. You might see them sometimes in the
astral plane again, that's part of that. What work are
they needing to do after their after death process? Okay,

(58:50):
so you might see them. Okay, some people know how
to journey to the to this transition zone. Sometimes you
can do that in your dreams kind of look around,
you know.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
So if I have spontaneous mediumship in my dreams, which
I do sometimes, like yeah, uh, deceased loved one comes
and talks to me. Sometimes it's to give me a message.
Sometimes it's just to kind of hold my hand for
a minute. Yeah, But is that basically where I am

(59:26):
while I'm dreaming?

Speaker 2 (59:27):
You could be. It depends on where they are, Okay,
I would off the cup. I would say yes more
than likely. Or they might you might be in a
hot one in the higher world and maybe they've come
to me there, okay, because they can still kind of

(59:49):
go in between. Again, it depends on their work that
they're doing. But you can go into the transition zone
it yourself and then have those spontaneous medium ships, you know.
It depends on where your soul's traveled. Souls like to.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
Play one definitely seems to.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
I know, I've had dreams where I've gone to the
transition zone before too, and to me every time I go,
it's it's really interesting. It feels like I am in
a huge, huge train station and there's all these different tunnels.
There's all these different people, and some are shadowy and
some are not and some you know, and so it's

(01:00:31):
it's really interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
Yeah, yeah, that's cool. I probably have a million questions,
but I don't want to keep you are typically okay, Yeah,
I think I think my listeners are probably as mind

(01:00:54):
blown as I am right now, and I hope they
are because that's what this is all about. So just
to introduce new ideas and to Yeah, when you said
that you had some things connected to the paranormal, I
was trying to figure out like what it could be,
and there are so many different connections, like we were saying,

(01:01:16):
like residual energy is a fractal and just yeah, so
I'm probably going to dream about all of this tonight,
speaking of dreams, because that's how my brain works out
things that I'm learning. But that is so cool.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
So, okay, you know what we could I could you know,
whenever we talk about discerning.

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
Spirits, Oh yeah, let's go back to that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
Yeah, So if anybody's listening and does that work of
astral projection or in your dreams and you're seeing entities,
you have to really listen to what they're saying. Discernment
is about bringing in the information, let it marinate for

(01:02:04):
a second, and asking yourself, does this feel right? Okay?
So the one thing that I do the most, whether
I see Jesus or whatever, if I know I'm in
the astral plane, even if I see my own mama,

(01:02:24):
you know what I'm saying, Yeah, because they pretend to
be anything. The one thing I say to it is
show me your true self, okay, okay. And by saying that,
first off, you're you're letting it know that you are
lucidly participating in where you are, okay, and that you

(01:02:49):
are not and that you're not afraid that you're not
here feeding anything any of your own negative thought forms okay, Okay,
So it can't take that energy from you. Okay. There's
nothing to be afraid of in the ask in this
astral plane, even if you see like the scariest things
you ever could ever imagine, you have free will. Okay.

(01:03:15):
So this is not something where like in the movies,
like oh, a demon could just shame high your soul
because you're in the astral plane like you have. There's
a process to possession. So you again because there's the
concept of free will. Yeah, right, So for example, I'll

(01:03:35):
give examples to help people understand how you can discern.
So even during reiky sessions, like I had a person
who was trying to connect to their higher self and
was doing some work outside of the sessions. And so
she came and she's laying on the table and we're

(01:03:57):
not really talking or anything. She's relaxing, and I can
an astral being walk up and it looked like her
higher self, Like it looked like her.

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
Yeah, but here's what.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
It said to me. It said, I'm her higher self
and she's doing some things wrong and I can't gain
access to her so that she can fully embody me
on this earth, Okay, which is the essential process. You
want to embody as much of your higher self as
you can, right, But a higher self doesn't need access

(01:04:32):
to you. It is you, right that connect. So I
immediately was like, that's not right. So and I said
to it showed me your true self, And it ended
up being what we looked like we talked about. It
was a shade. It was a shadow entity that looked
very demonic and and sometimes whenever you see those, sometimes

(01:04:58):
it could be again and like the person's shadow self
trying to do things right, yeah, or it could be
or another person's shadow self trying to do like it's
all the different things can happen like this, And so
I did since I was doing work with her, I said,
who do you belong to? And all it's they speak

(01:05:21):
in riddles sometimes and she and it said somebody that
she's close to, and I said, well, you don't belong
here and you need to leave, and it left. So
that's Those are some things that you can say to discern,
but again, like you have to really listen to what
it's saying. So anything that wants access to you or

(01:05:45):
is requiring you to do perform some kind of ritual
for it, okay, like another one, want this one? And
in another king session, I didn't see it, but I
could hear it, and the client's laying there and she's like,
I'm dealing with this and this and this, and I

(01:06:05):
was like, I don't. I'm sitting here thinking to myself
like I don't know how to help you with this.
I'll do reiki, but I don't know how to help
you journey somewhere or what we need to do or
what we need to release. It kind of sounded like
she needed to do her own work right. But lo
and behold, I could hear an entity come into the

(01:06:27):
room and say to me, if you give me access
to her, I can help her with this, and then
she can give you these wonderful reviews and everything will
just really work out. No, I wouldn't much rather my
client leave with nothing than to have this situation happen.

(01:06:49):
And so if you're an energy healer and that comes
up sometimes if you're intuitive, just know that it's not
that something that you're doing wrong or that you're accessing
something that you shouldn't be. It's part of the journey.
And sometimes, like I knew for me looking back on
those instances, that was a test for me in discernment,

(01:07:11):
doing into work and working in the astral realm, because
as an energy healer, I don't have the authority to
override my client's free will right given access to it,
but it will use those kinds of It will feed
off of your insecurities and your desires to help something

(01:07:33):
or even help another person to gain access and you
have to really listen, you know. And yeah, so those
are examples that I share with people.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
Yeah, to to really discern those are good examples. And
I like that show me your true self and who
do you belong to? Two very important questions, and just
from my own personal life experience, they're good things to
ask of humans too, like living humans. Sometimes, Yeah, especially

(01:08:11):
especially as an impact, you don't really have to say
it out loud. You're like, oh, you are showing me yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
Oh, that's a good one too. Like if I'm sitting
down and maybe I'm talking to somebody and they're new
to me and I'm trying to network and possible collaboration.
Of course I'm listening to what they are saying, but
I'll ask, like, God, show me what I need to
know about this person.

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
And usually to me, I'm wanting to see their shadow
self because from my work in the shot, in doing
shadow work, if I can see your shadow self, then
I know what issues you're you're dealing with. So I
can tell if somebody's coming to manipulate me or if
they're dealing with envy or greedy because I can see

(01:08:57):
that shadow and the shape of that shadow gives you
a clue. Okay, interesting and some of that, some of
that's demonology works, So if you can because they do
look like demons. Yeah, so that's how you can kind
of tell, like, oh, this giant fly standing behind you, well,
that's that's a particular demon of envy. Great, Well, I
know that that's what you're dealing with and why you're

(01:09:19):
coming to me for something, you know, so that that's
kind of like what I.

Speaker 1 (01:09:26):
Yeah, and that that could lead us down a whole
other rabbit hole. And for for somebody like me, I'm
not as visual because I basically made a deal that
I didn't want to see things anymore when I was younger.
But I very much trust my my gut feelings and
my instincts about people. So if what I'm feeling from

(01:09:47):
them is not lining up with what they're saying and
how they're saying it, I know not to trust them.
And that's that's a much simpler version. So maybe I
don't know why away like what demon they're dealing with,
but I know there is one there that I don't
want to mess with.

Speaker 2 (01:10:08):
That's right, Yes, absolutely, yes, I love that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
Yeah, we all have our different gifts your's a pretty
incredible yeah, and I'm so excited for all the work
you're doing. So tell the listeners how to get in
touch with you and where they can find you.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
So my website is be the Light Wellness and it's
b ee like Bumblebee, so be the Light Wellness. You
can also email me at Bethelight Wellness at gmail dot
com and I periodically will do workshops and you know,

(01:10:51):
dive into these subjects and for those who are spiritually curious,
and I'm trying to get a membership together where we
can do this every month if people are really interested
in learning more, especially for their spiritual journey, if they're
dealing with different themes or dealing with different stuff, or

(01:11:11):
trying to figure out their life purposes and things like that.
But you can, if you're interested in a reading or
or any other type of work past life progressions and
things like that, you can book online with me or
just email me. I do have Facebook and Instagram, same thing.
Be the Light Wellness.

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
Yeah, yeah, awesome. I'll put the link to your website
in the show notes just to make it easy for
people in case they are not somewhere where they can stop.
Because I know I listen to podcasts in the car
all the time, so you know it's not safe. Do
not try to type in a URL while you're driving.

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Please don't do that. I don't want to be the
reason for anybody death experience. But yeah, So thank you
so much Elizabeth for coming back on the show. This
has been enlightening and educational on so many levels for me.

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Absolutely, thank you so much for having me us. I've
really enjoyed it as always.

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Speaker 2 (01:16:10):
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