Episode 107: Rosa Hope Explains the Benefits of Transpersonal Hypnosis

Listen to a candid conversation about Biblical miracles before we even get into the topics at hand, like paranormal experiences (including a haunted kitchen sink!), transpersonal hypnosis, past lives, and soul contracts. Even Archangel Michael makes an appearance!  

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
An astrophysicist and hypnotist walk into a cafe and leave
only one set of footprints. Stick around for an immensely
interesting conversation. Welcome to the Peak podcast. I'm your host,

(00:43):
Nicole Morock, and I'm grateful you're here. The two big
ideas behind the Peak podcast s are to show that
the paranormal is more normal than most people think, and
to connect the science to the SI, including esp psychokinesis
and intuition. And this episode you'll meet astrophysicist and transpersonal

(01:03):
hypnotist Rosa Hope. But first I have two reminders for you.
If you're local to the Triangle area of North Carolina,
come out to the Balance Fair on Sunday, September fourteenth,
twenty twenty five. Admission is just ten dollars and we'll
have workshops all day, including My Holy Fire Reki meditation

(01:23):
at two pm and a two hour gallery reading from
four until six pm by medium Ashley Frye.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
The super talented.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
Duo of Phil and Tim will be providing music once again,
and this time we'll have a food truck too. And second,
a quick book update if you're listening to this episode
the day it comes out, Daughter of The Mystic Moon
released widely yesterday. You should be able to find it
in paperback, ebook and case wrap hardback without the dust

(01:56):
jacket anywhere books are sold, And if you're coming to
the Balance Fair on Sunday, you can buy a signed
copy from me in person. Or if you back the
Kickstarter and want me to sign the copy you already have,
I'll do that too. Now onto this episode's interview. Rosa

(02:16):
Hope is an award winning researcher and lecturer who has
been invited to share her insights across the US by
leading scientific conferences and spiritual communities alike. As a PhD astrophysicist,
certified trans personal hypnotist, and former performing artist and global nomad,

(02:37):
the pursuit of knowledge, understanding, and lived experience has been
the guiding principle of her life. Her work focuses on
a simple yet profound question, how do we human better?
Rosa has been providing spiritual guidance and integration support grounded
in safety, integrity, and joy since twenty seventeen. She is

(03:02):
grateful to continue to support others on the journey to self, knowledge,
growth and liberation. Let's dive in with Rosa Hi.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
Rosa how are you doing today? Good?

Speaker 3 (03:14):
Thanks for having me on.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
I'm so excited to have you here.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
We were just talking a few minutes ago and I
was saying that you really fit the bill of the
original mold of this podcast. So you are a scientist
and a healer and you've had paranormal experiences like you
are everything and a person that I would like to
talk to. So I'm so excited to have you on.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
Great. Yeah, thank you for having me. So, just to
give a little bit of background, I am a PhD astrophysicist.
I'm also a certified transpersonal hypnotist, so I study stars
and I support people in their soul work. And I
think the reason I reached out to you, Nikki, was

(03:58):
that the reason the reason I started studying physics, the
reason I ended up being this healer. As you said,
all began with me having paranormal experience as a young person.
And when you have paranormal experience, you start to ask
a lot of questions as kind of a scientific mindset anyway,

(04:20):
and that led me down this really interesting path. And
I think for me, the big work has been how
do I merge these two paths like being a hard scientist,
and being pretty woo also, but I think that gives
us a lot of fun stuff to talk about. So
I'm really excited to be with you today.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
Absolutely, Okay, paranormal is alongside the normal, and a lot
of people, especially in the South, don't necessarily buy into
holistic healing and spiritual healing. They either go to the
doctor or they go to church, and there's not like
anything that crosses like bridges the two.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
Definitely in their minds.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
So like to me, the spiritual and holistic healing kind
of goes along with the paranormal. And the more practitioners
I talked to, the more I realize most of them
got into it because they had paranormal experiences and they
were seeking answers. So I think it all fits together,
is I. I started with the idea that there is

(05:24):
a niche that needs to be filled because people were
talking about like the Ryan Research Center, as if it
was something that happened forty years ago and it still exists.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
I'm still here.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
I get emails yes, like I'm a supporter, you know.
So I was like, Okay, people don't understand that there
are academics trying to understand what's going on with all
of this, whether it be ghosts or healing or even
UFOs you know. But then I started running out of
people like them to talk to, so I just I

(05:56):
take everybody.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
Now, Wow, yeah, I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
I don't know, no, but I that's why I got
so excited when I saw that you reached out, because
you fit the original mold of Ah.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
Yes, totally well. And of course everything you mentioned I
have a lot to say about. I mean, as far
as the church people go, all I have to say
to them is if you believe in miracles, like, if
you believe that miracles can happen, then you do believe
in the paranormal.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
Exactly, yes, yes, thank you.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
I mean, and I'm I'm.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
Doing this Bible in a year podcast because I I'm Catholic.
But growing up Catholic you get the same readings over
and over. So if you don't take the time to
actually read the Bible, you miss out on a lot
of the cool stories of the Old Testament where there
was a lot of paranormal stuff going.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
On like a doctor all that time.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
So I'm like, how did I miss it? I would
have been so much more into the Bible if I
knew this stuff was there.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
Yeah, come on, a plant talked.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
To Moses, right, that's there's there's one where this guy
is writing a donkey, the donkey season angel. The guy
doesn't see the angel. He's trying to push the donkey
to go further, and after the third time of like
striking the donkey, the donkey turns around.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
And says, don't you see that angel?

Speaker 1 (07:22):
You know, It's like, okay, we have a talking donkey
and an angel in the same story.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
This is awesome.

Speaker 3 (07:30):
I could see. I don't know, I see. I feel
a little tickle of like book material. They're like paranormal
stories from you guessed it, the Bible. You know it's well,
I mean consider it's full of miracles, right, And the
what we're really talking about then is semantics, absolutely, because

(07:51):
you could switch out the word miracle for like supernatural
or paranormal in the story. Is the same story? Yeah,
you know, so absolutely. I think it's funny. When I
was a kid, you know, I grew up going to
church too. I grew up in Raleigh, so you know,

(08:11):
I come from the South and we go to church.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
Right.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
But interestingly, these types of stories that you're talking about
are part of What led me down this so called
alternative path, I would say, because there were a lot
of stories in the Bible that I couldn't make any
sense of because they didn't reflect what life is like
for us today, even down to the fact that there
were you know, these interesting like hands on healing or

(08:42):
turning wine into water, or things like appearing like the
Ten Commandments, like appearing in Moses, like right in front
of Moses and stuff like that, and I'm like, that
doesn't sound like the world I know. And when in
Sunday school, I would ask questions about these stories and
try to get this. Probably I'm a scientist too, trying
to get down to the nitty gritty of what's really
going on? Is this a real story? Is it a metaphor?

(09:05):
And no one ever had a good answer for me.
Of course, these poor people were episcopals, so's they're more
academic and analytical about it, and they're like, well, what
is it? What can you learn from the story? And
I'm like, no, no, no, no, it's kind of history,
you know. Yeah, But that was the beginning of a

(09:26):
longer process for me. I started reading work by Elaine Pagels,
who her I think she was at Harvard for a
long time. Her focus was really the beginnings of Christianity,
like how it actually arose into the religion that we
recognize today, and also the more esoteric and mystical practices

(09:46):
and beliefs of early Christians which they were not teaching
to me in Sunday School, and of course that sent
me way down this other path. But anyway, it's like
we could get into that later. But but yeah, I
would love I would just love to dive in.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
Okay, we've we've already had such a cool conversation. Let's
let's take a step back before we keep moving forward
and just tell me about some of the early experiences.
And I'm really excited to hear about the Haunted Sink.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
I love that. So the Haunted Sink is actually the
latest thing on this laundry love goodness is amazing because
I have video of this one, I don't I don't
have videos of the other one. So, so as a
young person, I had a lot of what I would
call precognitive dreams. So when I was really little, I

(10:42):
would have a dream that felt really physical, like I'd
feel the sensations in my body. The first one I
actually remember I was in fourth or fifth grade and
I had just started riding horses. I wasn't very advanced
at that time, so we're just riding circles around the ring.
I had a very vivid, very physical dream about riding

(11:03):
a horse down a cliff side and we were having
to jump over brush and stuff like that, and I
could feel in my body how it felt to jump
on a horse, which is very distinct. There's not much
else like it. And then in the coming weeks, we
learned how to jump in my writing lessons, and guess
what felt exactly the way it felt in my dream.

(11:25):
It's like I knew what to do because I had
had this dream already where in my body I knew
where my weight needed to be. But that was one
of the first times I realized something strange is happening
because I'm saying I've never done this before. Why did
I know exactly the way it would feel?

Speaker 4 (11:41):
Right?

Speaker 3 (11:43):
But as time went on, I start so here are
another here a couple good examples. Something else I noticed
is that when the energy was high, for example, when
I was a teenager or when I was in college,
in circumstances where there was very high energy, whether it's
like emotional energy or a party or something like that.

(12:04):
The strange phenomena would occur at that time. So when
everything's calm and you know, nothing much is happening, there's
no action. But one example was my parents went to
Russia on a trip and me and my best friend
through a big keg party at their house while they

(12:24):
were gone, and it was a wild party. A lot happened,
but actually a lot of friendships were like begun that night.
So there are people who met at that party that
are still friends today. So I love that. But the
next day we were cleaning up. We're cleaning up the house.
Some stuff had been broken, so we're like super gluing

(12:45):
faces back together, and there was this antique clock from
the eighteen hundreds that was hung on the wall above
a doorway, so it's about ten feet off the ground
because this has high ceilings. It hasn't been wound in
probably fifty years, so it's a wind up clock. No
one's touched it, it's out of reach. And there we

(13:09):
are cleaning up the floor, trying to get you know,
sticky who knows what you know, off of the floor
with rags and everything, and the clock just starts ticking.
Oh pick tick tick tick tick, and my friend and
I just looked at each other. We were alarmed. There

(13:29):
is no key for this clock. It's just decoration. So
we're going through in our minds. Did someone wind it up? No,
there's no we don't have a key for it. There's
no way to wind it up. Does someone get up there? No,
one got any ladders out or something, And so we
just sort of sat there listening to it, and it
was probably going on for like two minutes, and we're

(13:51):
just staring at the clock. My friend, you know, her
background is a little more conservative Christian. She was very uncomfortable.
So finally she left the room, and I'm just sitting there,
you know, my very curious. I have the hebgbi's but
I'm still sitting there anyway, I guess. So I'm looking
at it, going how did this happen? What does it mean?

(14:12):
And my friend's upset, And I finally looked at the
clock and I was like, quit that and it stopped,
and I kept cleaning up Tiger party, you know, so
it was all this, so I just sort of went
with my day. But then this is in the same house,
this is probably within three days of this clock incident.

(14:34):
I was upstairs, so I had never lived in this house.
This is my parents moved here after I went to college,
so like it wasn't my house's their house. I was
up in the guest bedroom. And my mom, when she
was in college in the seventies, was kind of a
Joon Bias type. She played guitar. She had this old
pitch pipe from the seventies, which is kind of like

(14:54):
a harmonica that only has the that only has the
notes that the guitar strings are. I had it because
I'm you know, I play music too. I had it
under a chair, under a pile of clothes, so it
was like out on the floor covered with stuff, and
I'm in the bedroom and all of a sudden I

(15:15):
heard a note, just this very pure note. I had
no idea what it was, and so I started looking
around the room. I was like, where's that coming from?
Is it the hvac? Is it the washing machine? You know,
So I'm trying to do problem solving, but I can't
find the sound. And finally, like I'm able to sort

(15:37):
of triangulate it with my ear and I find it,
and I'm coming toward the chair it's getting louder as
I'm getting closer, and I lean down under the chair
and pull the pile of clothes apart, and there it is,
just sitting on the floor. Wow, with this note ringing out.
And again it's like, I have no idea what to

(15:59):
do with that. This is very strange. There is no
vent there on the floor. The vents are in the
ceiling in this room, so it's not like a draft.
And I didn't know what to make of it. So
I just picked it up, put it in the guitar case,
and like went to bed, just done. I've done with today.

(16:20):
But again, it's just there. These are strange things occurring.
It's not even an old house at that time. It
was a relatively new build. It might have been two
three years old something like that. It's not an old house.
It's not where I live. But all these occurrences happen
right after this huge party, Yeah, where like a lot
was happening, a lot of emotional charge, you know, young people.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
So it might have attracted something to the house.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
Right exactly. And and either way, I look back and
I kind of check in with myself and say, well,
how did I respond to that? I didn't run away.
I thought it was very so It's like my hairs
on the back of my neck went up, and yet
I still sat with it because in a sense, my
curiosity is stronger than my he begbi's I guess another

(17:15):
circumstance happened. This is quite different, but it was around
the same time, so maybe I was a little It
was around the same time. I was about the same age.
I was getting a tattoo because again musician college, you
know how it is. And I was getting a tattoo
by a friend of mine, and I had not eaten

(17:37):
anything that morning, so I sat down in the chair.
He started the work, and I immediately fainted, just out
like a light, and I came to about fifteen seconds later. Well,
while I was out, I lived an entire lifetime as
a Civil War soldier. Wow, an entire lifetime. So I

(18:02):
was a kid. I joined, I believe, the Confederate Army
when I was like fifteen or sixteen, so I was
pretty young, still very much a boy. Saw a lot
of horrible stuff, but survived the war, ended up getting married,
having kids. But I always had these weird like emotional
wounds from just having seen the cost of war, I'll say.

(18:28):
And then I came to and here I am, like
sitting on the floor in a tattoo shop, you know,
as a nineteen year old woman or what have you.
And and interestingly, even inside of that moment, it's like
I couldn't explain. I was too cool to tell my
tattoo artists what had just happened to me. So I
was just like, wow, that was weird. But even in

(18:49):
my own mind that it was very disorienting, and somehow
I just picked myself up off the floor and kept.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
Going that's I totally get that.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
Although I've had a moment where and I'm not assuming
so I'll ask in a second, but I've had a
moment where I've had a glimpse into a past life.
And even the person I was with is into the
WU stuff with me and I she looked at me
and she's like, what just happened? And I'm like, I

(19:19):
can't explain this right now, Like I have to process that.
I didn't say that. I'm just like I don't know,
and I just kept going on with the day. But
like you have to process before you can even think
about having a conversation with somebody else. Even if they're
on the same level. But so do you think it
was a past life memory of some.

Speaker 3 (19:39):
Sort well, funny story. Okay, so fast forward just a
little bit. Now I am someone who runs past life
regressions on like a regular basis. I have went tomorrow,
you know. Yeah, like now, this is like a regular
part of my life that I facilitate for other people.
My understanding of it has evolved since that time. But

(20:00):
for sure, what I was experiencing was a past life.
What I'm not so sure about is if it was
my past life. But that's a can of worms we
can dig into a little later if you want.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
Yeah, yeah, definitely, because I I get where you're coming from,
and that is a good conversation to have, okay.

Speaker 3 (20:22):
But needless to say, well, it's like, oh, I guess
we really want to get to the haunted kitchen sink, right.
So right, So I had these very strange experiences. I
didn't know what they meant. But to be fair, I
had always had a sense that there was more to
the world than what we could see. When I was

(20:45):
a child, I was I would like sneak books at
the library that I'd like sandwich between other books. So
my mom wouldn't know I was checking them out. I
would check out books about ghosts, about esp about like aliens.
You know, it didn't really matter. It was stuff that
seemed esoteric, paranormal, supernatural. I had an insatiable curiosity about

(21:07):
those things. And interestingly, by the time I decided to
go to school to become a physicist, that was why
in a way, because I had so many unanswered questions
about the nature of reality, what we are, what all
this is made of, and how it functions. And I
thought to myself, well, who better to find out from

(21:29):
than the physicists, Like they're at least working on this
like actively, right, So that's the direction I went. And boy,
I loved being a physics student, Like it's it's really
nice to learn as much as you can about the
how and to be able to like have answers to questions.
But once I got into grad school, I started to

(21:52):
find the limits of our knowledge, you know. And in
some ways it's like, well, there are limits that are
just we haven't gotten from other than this, or we
don't have better detectors than this. But actually physical reality
has hard limits on it to how much we can
learn and a lot of that has to do with
what we can detect with a machine and what we can't.

(22:16):
And once I got into research, I started to learn
about the places where we really can't get information beyond
certain boundaries just in the universe. Yeah, and finding that
limit in a sense was what made me say, Okay, well,
I've learned a lot about what the physicists know. I've
done my own research, and there's a lot that I

(22:40):
appreciate about that path, But this was the path that
was still calling to me. It's not just about the unknown.
It's about the parts of who and what we are
that you can't measure with a detector. And you are
in this really interesting interface where there are people that
are trying to to use scientific instruments to detect whatever

(23:03):
we can about what we consider to be paranormal or
supernatural phenomenon and then figuring out what the limitations are
of that and if we can stretch those boundaries a
little bit further. So that's what's really exciting to me
about that. Now I have become much more comfortable with
the paranormal and hauntings. Once I began what I would

(23:25):
call my spiritual journey or like my spiritual development in earnest.
So that really began in my mid twenties. And it
wasn't supernatural phenomenon that started that. It was for sure
just like heartbreak and life. And you know many people
have like a dark night of the soul story. I
do too. But the point is it cracks your heart

(23:47):
open and you start to seek in a different way,
and you start to learn about yourself in a different way.
So following that path, I got much more interested in
metaphysics and what people think are going on in the spirit.
This is how I ended up finding hypnosis. Ultimately, interesting
story that connects with you. You witnessed some type of

(24:10):
angelic healing under hypnosis. I did that that opened your
mind to what is happening in the unseen world. Well,
my introduction to hypnosis was having a session like that
on myself. Oh wow there. Yeah, there had been a
death very close to me and I had PTSD from it.

(24:33):
In fact, I suspect it may have happened while I
was in the house. I just didn't know.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (24:40):
Yeah, So that left uh, that left me with something
and I had gone to therapy for like a long time,
and intellectually I understood everything about it. From a rational standpoint,
It wasn't my fault.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
You know.

Speaker 3 (24:58):
All of those things were kind of taking care of
and yet I was still having really intense PTSD symptoms
that were interfering with my daily life, with my ability
to function in my work and in grad school and
stuff like that. So I was like, I need to
do something about this, and I'm willing to try just
about anything. And I was in California at that time.

(25:21):
Found a guy, you know, who's like a real Santa
Cruz mountain man working out in the Santa Cruz Mountains,
and went to his little cabin to engage in in
this process. And I didn't actually know what he was
going to do. I just told him what was going
on and let him decide because he had a lot
of different modalities that he could try. And what he

(25:41):
decided to do with me was hypnosis. So he he, uh,
you know, we call it an induction. He went through
the induction, I was able to shift my consciousness and
what we discovered it's like a mirror image of the
story in a way. So what we discovered was there
was an entity attached to me. But unlike your friend,

(26:05):
this was an entity that I had created. It was
essentially like a guilt baby that I was nurturing, oh
and carrying close to my heart. And the reason it
was with me was because I felt that there would
be something wrong with me if I didn't feel guilt

(26:28):
about this situation or something that it would mean something
bad about who I was if I didn't carry and
nurture this guilt about the situation. And what he did
was call in the archangel Michael. It's always the same guys. Yeah, yeah,
who came in? I saw him. It was wild and

(26:52):
essentially just took this baby from me and assured me
that where it was going into the light was going
to have everything it needed and it didn't need to
be it didn't need to be my burden, so to speak.
Took the baby into the light. I came back out.
I never had another symptom.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
That's amazing.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
Yeah, I'm sorry that you had to deal with that
to begin with, but that is there's so many things
like I'm I need to ask how you remember all
of that, because when my friends who went through it
came out of hypnosis, she didn't remember it, and that

(27:38):
I think that's what she was afraid of. Well, she'd
go so far under that she wouldn't know what was
going on. And that's why I was in the room,
just to make sure that this person that we didn't
know very well was on the up and up and
all of that. And so I got the benefit of having,
you know, just like the side experience of feeling things
going on. But I didn't get to see Archangel Michael

(28:02):
and listeners, if you haven't listened to that episode, I'll
put the link in the show notes because that's I'm
not going to go into the whole story. But I
could feel. I could feel the temperature change in the room,
I could feel the energy, and it actually did work
its way into my book, The Dark Season, because it

(28:24):
was such an experience. You know that that's a part
of my being now and and I can't help but
that's part of my belief system, you know. So how
did you come out of it with the memory of
what happened?

Speaker 3 (28:37):
So this is this is coming from me the practitioner,
because after this happened, I decided that if hypnosis was
this effective, it should be healthcare. And I thought to myself, well,
if I wanted to share this with the people I
care about, maybe I should just do it. So I
actually went and got certified almost immediately after this. First

(29:00):
was just working with friends and family, but then I
started getting referrals and eventually opened up a professional practice.
But coming from the practitioner side, I've seen it all.
I have clients who remember everything from when they're under,
and I have also had clients who remember zero from
when they're under, and when they come back up, they

(29:21):
think they've been asleep for two hours. So there's a
you'll get the full spectrum. A lot of it, I
think depends with what the work is they're there to
do and whether they would stop it or not if
they were aware of it. So I was in a
situation where I knew there was a problem that I

(29:42):
needed to solve, and I knew I was willing to
do almost anything. So even though I had no clue
what he was going to do, I was there trusting
the process. I wasn't going to stop what we were
engaging in. Now, I've had a client before who went
deep into hypnosis to try to solve some relationship issues

(30:02):
or understand how to move forward in their relationship. There
was a lot tied up in this, from like real
estate kids, like what school districts, you know. So there
was like a lot of like nitty gritty practical stuff
tied up in the success of this relationship and the

(30:24):
news they got from. So in we'll talk about QHHT two.
But in most of the hypnosis work that I do,
we go deep enough to tap into the higher self
or a more collective version of the self to try
to get some clarity, try to get some information that
will help us make the best decision. And all of

(30:45):
the news that this individual got, I don't think they
really wanted to hear. However, it was all recorded, all
recorded for them to listen to once they're up, which
is really important at least in my practice. And when
they came up, they literally thought they'd been asleep the

(31:06):
whole time and asked me if it even worked.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
Wow, And I'm.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
Just like, here's your recording. You know, you can call
me if you want to talk about it, but you
should listen to it in private. Yeah. I think it
does depend on where you're at. So for example, you
being there for your friend is probably what allowed her

(31:33):
to go all the way down and get the work done,
because it's possible that if you hadn't been there, she
would have felt the need to stay higher, or she
would have felt the need to stop something that felt
uncomfortable or scary. But you were there to hold the
space as a trusted individual, so she could get all
the way down. So having a friend or having a

(31:54):
helper is a big part of depth. That's good network.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
And the ironic that I was there because she asked
me to be there, obviously, and I'm you know, I
try to be a good friend when I have the chance.
But I was also there for my own curiosity because
at that point I was doing paranormal investigations every weekend.
And when you know, when a friend tells you she
thinks she picked up an entity of some sort, and

(32:21):
in this case, we were sure it was a human
spirit because of the way she picked it up. But
she's not comfortable getting rid of it without help, and
so I knew that this person, the hypnotist, might be
able to help her.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
I didn't know him that well.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
He came to some of our meetup groups meetings, and
so I was like, when she said, will you go
with me? I took half a day off work and
went with her. But I was very curious like a
little on the skeptical side, because you know, I'm I
try to balance the woo with the science. So I

(33:03):
he said, basically, as long as you sit on your
hands and don't say anything, you can be here cool.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
And so that's what I did.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
Because I'm Italian, I talk with my hands, and I
think sitting on my hands helps me stay quiet maybe,
but yeah, just to just to be present.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
And not.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
I wasn't really expecting anything. I was just curious, like,
how is this going to play out? Because I'd never
been a part of a hypnotism process or anything. And yeah,
she when she came out of it, she didn't remember anything,
but she felt better immediately mm hm. And so for
me that was the most important part. And if I

(33:47):
hadn't been there, I would have still said, that's great,
I'm so glad it helped you. But since I was
there and I had that experience, it's like it took
everything to a whole different level for me.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
That's that's right, because there there are things that are palpable.
So for example, in my own sessions with clients, I
know when we have well we call it the higher
cell for the subconscious, we have like a name for
it that we use, but I know when we're actually
there because the temperature in the room changes and the

(34:22):
way it feels to be in the room changes. So
in a sense, the best way I can describe it
is like I know that we've made it and that
we've made contact because it will get very hot all
of a sudden, and my heart will feel it's like
it's really opening up. So you know that feeling of

(34:44):
like when you hear like a beautiful piece of music
that just hits such a gorgeous harmony that you start
to cry a little bit or get goosebumps. That's what
it feels like. Something gets really charged in a heart
opening way, like here that beautiful music, and the room
gets really hot. Sometimes I have clients that can't get

(35:05):
all the way there, and I can tell you can
feel it. You can still get a lot of work
done without making contact, but you can do a lot
of really deep healing when you do. But it is
what you said, I have experienced myself hundreds of times.
Which is that? Which is that it's palpable? I'm not

(35:27):
even sure. I don't consider myself. I'm not a psychic person.
I'm pretty meat and potatoes. I think that's part of
what makes me interesting in this sort of industry, I guess,
is that I don't need to be a reader or
a channel or anything. It's like I still can learn

(35:49):
about these things, and I can still take part in
these activities, and I can still have these experiences without
without that being my focus. And in a sense, I
like being meat and potatoes in a way because it's
very grounding and it lets me be of more service
to people that are not as grounded. Sometimes they need

(36:11):
someone who can help anchor them, and that's really the
role that I play while at the same time we're
having conversations with the collective consciousness, you know. But it's
like my roots run deep, so it's like we are
able to kind of bring it all together that way.
But yeah, So I think that it was interesting to

(36:32):
me to learn about that story because it's so much
mirrored my own introduction to this work that led me
into the type of work I do with people now. Also,
I mean, I think hypnotism is broadly misunderstood. It's in
a sense, it's like it's like any other tool, right,

(36:53):
Like a hammer's really good for hammering in nails. It's
not very good for like changing panes of glass, right,
it's good for it. It can be used in a
way that it can be used in any way that
the practitioner is choosing to do. However, I think what
I love about it is that there's a lot of well,

(37:15):
I'll just dive right in. There are a lot of
ways to learn about the different levels of consciousness that
you're able to experience, and today there are a lot
of different options, everything from listening to special sounds or
binurmal beats. There's a lot of work done on that

(37:36):
by Robert Monroe and still ongoing at the Monroe Institute.
But also people are really into plant medicines now, in
using plant teachers and fungus teachers to help them explore
and broaden their definition of consciousness and their own sense
of identity. However, all of these things are kind of
chasing the same thing, the same thing that meditation and

(37:57):
transcendental meditation give us too, which is teaching us about
these different levels of experience that all have a certain validity.
And I think weill hypnosis is doing the same thing,
except it's more it's a facilitated shift in consciousness. So

(38:18):
instead of just taking off the brakes and pushing you
down the hill and saying you'll land where you land.
We can actually be a little more directed with hypnosis
because you have a helper, you know, if you're working
with someone, you have someone to help you navigate. So
it's more like being in a rally car, where as

(38:38):
you're saying what you're experiencing, your practitioner can help you
navigate that space, help you shift into other kind of
change the channel. But it's all focused on the same thing,
which is exploring different levels of consciousness so that you
can take the information that you learn there and try
to integrate it into how you live here and and

(39:01):
in some ways, I think that hypnosis kind of democratizes
this in a way because it works for most belief systems.
You can be a conservative Christian and still use hypnosis
to help heal your heart, you know, or you can
be full on wu you can be completely sober. So

(39:24):
for example, if plant medicines are not for you, you
can still get a lot of help and assistance in
many of the same ways using hypnosis. So it's more
like one of the tools in the toolbox for managing this.
And I like it because it works for a lot
of different kinds of people. The only thing you need
to be able to do is relax, and at least

(39:46):
your practitioner is there to help you even with that part.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
Right right, I did.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
I'm trying to decide how much I want to put
out there.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
So sure, I did a.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
Past life regression, and I have some friends who will
listen to this and be like, oh my gosh, why
haven't you.

Speaker 4 (40:07):
Told me about this?

Speaker 1 (40:08):
So it I got a lot out of it. I
was afraid I wouldn't be able to relax because I
am so curious about processes that I was. I was
thinking about, Okay, why did she say that?

Speaker 2 (40:23):
Why did she? You know, Like, my brain is going, okay,
is this part of the process.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
Wait, I'm not supposed to be thinking about this.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
I'm supposed to be following a lot, you know, that
whole thing.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
But I did actually relax enough, and I remember all
of it, and we had a full conversation when I
when we were done, about like how I could take
what I learned from the lifetime I visited and apply
it to relationship right now and that particular relationship. This
is the stuff that I'm not putting out there but

(40:53):
that particular relationship has got It was good, but it
has gotten even better since. So, like it was super
helpful to do and it was a case I didn't
pay for it like somebody wanted. They didn't want to
do it. They were afraid of what they might learn.
So like, here, do you want to try it?

Speaker 2 (41:11):
I'm like, sure, why not?

Speaker 1 (41:13):
You know, So I really wasn't expecting to get anything
out of it because I'm like, I don't need anything.
Oh yeah I did, so, so I'm like, I'm always
curious how first off people got into it.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
So you've explained.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
That, but can you go Can you talk a little
bit more about QHHT And.

Speaker 3 (41:35):
Yeah, I love it. So QHHT is short for Quantum
Healing Hypnosis Technique and it was pioneered by Dolores Cannon,
who had a transpersonal hypnosis career of more than forty
five years. And QHHT is just the main technique that

(41:57):
she developed and really locked in. So transpersonal hypnosis is
a big umbrella of hypnosis practice that just it's founded
on the belief that our consciousness is not local to
the body. So that's really what we mean when we
say transpersonal hypnosis. We mean we can access parts of

(42:18):
the self that are not contained in the body. That
we are all connected somehow, how is not important. QHHT
falls under this umbrella. Uh So in that way it's
spiritually focused. It also has its own foundational belief that
any issue a person has in their life, in their

(42:42):
body and health, in their career, every issue is fundamentally
a spiritual issue, so that that is a big part
of this. The quantum healing is what most people get
curious about QHHT about now, I kind of giggle, as
a trained astrophysicist at the way quantum gets used as

(43:07):
a concept. I have a lot of thoughts on that,
but that would be a whole hour conversation. But ultimately,
what it is saying is that you can heal yourself.
You can heal yourself. The other thing I love about

(43:27):
it is that many healing modalities focus on the healer
and what the healer can do for you. QHHT is
not that the practitioner is a facilitator. They are helping
you travel through your levels of consciousness and make contact
with your higher self, so they can help you understand

(43:51):
what's going on and why. Sometimes it's very practical stuff
like if you just eat more avocado, it will fix
this problem that has had then to me in my
own session, I was getting dietary advice, but it can
also be deeply spiritual. For example, I had a client
who had lifelong pain in their left hand side and

(44:14):
it would like flare up, and no doctor could ever
explain what it was or why, because no to test
say nothing's wrong right, And after working with me, she
experienced in her because past life regression is a part
of this. Though you don't always get a past life.
Sometimes you get something much weirder, but you know, occasionally, yes,

(44:35):
you get a regular old human past life. And what
she saw was that she had been she had been
an indigenous American woman at some previous point in time,
and that essentially some white cavalry had shown up and
stolen one of her children. I won't go into detail,

(44:59):
but she went after this guy who took her kid
and went for him and he had He didn't kill her,
but he did like drag her with a horse, and
she had been dragged all along her left hand side.
And so she had lifelong pain and issues in that

(45:19):
life from the wounds that she had gained from that
experience and where she was injured was exactly where her
pain was all through this life. And because she was
able to learn about that in the session and put
it together and understand the origin of that pain and

(45:40):
that it wasn't from this life, then you get the
opportunity to integrate that and that helps you let it go.
And what we find in QHHT is that if you
can let it go, the body heels that sense. It's
pretty amazing. Yeah, it's pretty amazing. There are some circumstances, however,

(46:01):
particularly when it comes to certain kind of health issues
or or people who are differently abled, that some of
those things are actually soul contracts that were part of
an experience that you agreed to when you were coming in,
like you wanted this challenge in this life because you
would learn something really important about it on a soul level.
That happens too, But the most important thing is that

(46:22):
when you come out of the session, you have a
much richer understanding of why your life looks the way
it looks, also how to solve some of the problems
you're having, whether they're relational or career wise or whatever.
It's like you come in, well, that's the other thing.
QHHT is an all day commitment, so we're together all day.
You're only under hypnosis for about two hours, but essentially

(46:46):
we're spending the whole day together to get a sense
of what's happening holistically and get answers to the things
that are most pressing that you need support. With some things,
it's like you already know the answer. That's not really
what we're here for. It's the things that are really
blind spots. Then we get those answers from the regression
and from the higher self, and then you come away
with a recording that you have to listen to later,

(47:09):
so the ego has to hear it too, and then
it all kind of comes together, and that's where that's
where real transformation comes from with QHHT. In a sense,
I tell my clients, you, listening to the recording is
the real work.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
I can totally see that. Okay.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
I have a funny story because my husband was like
my very first guinea pig when I was training. It
has been eight years he has listened to the regression
portion of his session. He never has listened to the
higher self part his session. And I still tease him
about it today because that's you know, he did it

(47:51):
because I was studying right right. Interesting that it's like
whatever he said, he's still not ready to hear it
eight years later.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
Oh wow, I can see.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
I mean I can see that. That's like the person
who who gave me my past life regression session was
afraid to find out what she needed to know because
she wasn't she wasn't ready, you know, and everybody's got
to move through this life on their own timeline. So

(48:24):
I wasn't going to push and I just accepted it. Okay,
thank you, I will try it. I got a lot
out of it.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
Oh so I wanted to go back to there.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
I have so many questions.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
I should be writing these down while you're talking, but
I'm just so engaged in the conversation.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
I'm not doing I usually do that. I'm not doing that.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
Okay, going back to different levels of consciousness? So what
do they have names? Or do you just know it
when you get there?

Speaker 3 (48:58):
Okay? So, uh, there are a lot of different systems. Okay.
So if you are a Bob and Roe fan, he
had like thirty or fifty, you know, different levels that
he had all sort of codified and he was like,
at this level you find these people, At this level,
you find these entities.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
I am.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
I am way more fast and loose with this. Hypnotists
generally use brain waves to kind of define the different
levels of consciousness, like alpha, theta, gamma, et cetera. But
again it's like that's that seems a little opaque to
someone who isn't studying neuroscience and brain waves. The way

(49:41):
I talk about it is that I talk about the
levels of consciousness that are associated with other stuff we
normally do. So, for example, watching TV like binging Netflix
is actually one level of hypnosis. Driving on the highway,
like once you've kind of locked in and you're not
you know, you're not sort of consciously thinking about holding

(50:03):
the steering wheel, that's another level of hypnosis. Actually falling
asleep is actually very very tangential to hypnosis. So something
I tell my clients is that you go through the
hypnosis state twice a day. The first is when you're
just waking up, but you haven't like rolled over to
check what time it is yet, that moment before you've

(50:26):
rolled over, that's it. You're there. It's the liminal space.
And then the other one is when you're falling asleep,
that moment when Sandman hits you and you start to
feel heavy and your eyes want to be closed, that's
it too, So you're in this state naturally every day anyway. However,

(50:46):
there are there's like the level we use for induction
and regression, which is this one I'm describing to you,
like that sort of liminal space. And then there's gamma
brain waves, which are much more energetic that people tend
to experience when they're channeling. So, for example, when we
are talking with the higher self in these sessions, that's

(51:08):
the gamma brain wave state. It's not it's the higher
energy one that you if you put you know, the
is it EEG?

Speaker 5 (51:19):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (51:20):
Yes, okay, So like if you put those EEG caps
on the head, like while someone's channeling and doing something
like that, and you see that things get really excited
in there and very coherent. That is what we're getting
when we're talking to the higher self. It is, in
a sense channeling. It's me helping the client channel their
own high self so they can have a little conversation.

(51:42):
And I have a list of the questions they wanted
to ask their high self right here with me. So
they can actually play a little game. You're playing a
game of telephone with your own high self. It's cool.
It's really cool. And also it's it's really loving in
a way that is hard to describe if you haven't
If you haven't been, I mean, I think you have.

(52:04):
You felt what it feels like in the room when
work is being done. Yes, And I think that for me,
that is the highest privilege of being a QHHT practitioner.
Is getting to be in that space with other people
on a regular basis is precious. It's it's transformative for
me too, just by being near it, by it, by

(52:27):
interacting with it. So it is very rewarding in that way.
Something else you said that I think is very important
and that I also say all the time, is that
it's not a race. If you're not ready, that's good.
It's good that you know that you're not ready, because
your readiness it might be the most important part of

(52:48):
engaging in this work, because you're not going to help
yourself if you're not ready to go through with it.
It does take courage. It takes courage, and sometimes it
hurts a little bit because you're trying to grow and
you're trying to and that can be uncomfortable, but your
readiness is it's like, you know, even if you're a
little scared or a little excited, you still know if

(53:10):
you're ready, And if you're still backing away from it,
then you'll be backing away from the work. That's not
a good use of everyone's time, right, right, So what
you said is really true, and I hope people can
can carry that with themselves and not feel any judgment. Like,
if you're not ready to dive into deep work, it's
good that you know, and when you are ready, you will,

(53:32):
you know.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
Yeah, And as sometimes it takes becoming very uncomfortable in
your situation before you decide that it's worth that process
and I speak to that from experience.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
Yeah. Well, and also as you engage with it more,
that starts to go away. Because in the beginning, we're
scared of how we'll have to change, if we have
to really confront the deeper issues. But once you get
through that initial reshuffling, because sometimes a lot does have
to change, but once you get through that, you have

(54:08):
a little bit more ownership, so you're not waiting for
crisis to address stuff that comes up. Instead, it's like
you can see it, or you'll get a little a
little like tap on the shoulder that's saying you better,
you better address this, or you better kind of check
in and do some work on this before it gets
to crisis level and you get to a point where
you're like, oh, all right, and you just you know,

(54:29):
then you can just show up for that and be
with it and do the work that's needed there instead
of having to be backed against the wall like most
people are in the beginning, you know. So it's not
that's the other thing is like it's not always scary,
and it's not always uh deeply, there's a lot of

(54:51):
grief when people first kind of get going with this,
and a lot of that does go away once you're
able to do the main you're part of that processing
and then get in line with yourself and know yourself better.
Your relationships kind of clean up a little bit, You
start to see other people grow. There are a lot
of benefits to everyone in your sphere to getting on board.

(55:15):
But also it's like doing it when you're ready, when
you have a little space, when you have that little
bit of courage that says, okay, I'm ready now, like
you know, yourself, you know, so you can trust that.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
Yeah, Okay, we're gonna I'm gonna step back for just
a second because you said something that reminded me of, well,
the life between lives.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
Okay, and I don't I can't.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
Remember if I've ever actually talked about this on the podcast.
It's definitely something interesting to me because it helped me
when a friend of mine explained it to me, kind
of helped me understand basically divorce, like the whole idea
of soul contracts and that sort of thing. Can you

(56:05):
talk a little bit about that, sure?

Speaker 3 (56:08):
Oh yeah, yeah, Okay, So there are plenty of famous
books you can pick up if you really want to
dive into this. There's one by Dolores Cannon called Between
Death and Life. There's life between lives, many lives, many masters,
you know, like there's there are a lot of really
good books, very juicy books about what humans do between

(56:32):
human lives. And one of the things that I mentioned
before that kind of comes up here is that everyone
has a little plan for themselves before they come down.
Because when you're on the other side, incarnating doesn't feel
like such a big deal. You know, time feels really

(56:54):
different over there and it's like, oh, you're just gonna
pop down for some quick lessons, real quick. And word
on the street is that coming to earth is one
of the most efficient ways for your soul to grow
and learn, and so people get excited to come down here.
You might not feel like it right now, but you
were excited before you came because you have a little plan.

(57:18):
You're like, Okay, I'm gonna set myself up with these parents. Boy,
they are going to teach me about AB and C.
You better believe it. And I think me and this
other soul we are best friends. But last time I
was the husband and he was the wife. So this
time he's gonna be the husband. I'll be the wife. Well,

(57:39):
just like swip swap and see how that goes. Sometimes
it's a little more fraught than that from a karmic perspective,
where like me and this other soul had a really
hard time last time and really screwed it up. Nobody
was able to figure it out, and we want to
go back together and try again to see if we
can come back to love together, see if we can

(58:02):
really really do it. Fix. It's not like fix what's broken,
it's like finding the path that love should take through
whatever the conflict is or whatever the issue is, because
ultimately it all comes back to that are you doing
are you living as the most loving version of yourself?
But anyway, when we're between lives, usually if someone passes

(58:26):
over and had a really hard time, they get a
chance to rest and recharge. Very important. Some people spend
a lot of time learning about stuff, so there's sort
of like a people call it like the university or
the library, or well, Kashak Records is a little different,
but there are places where you can go and study.
And you know, someone like me who really loves to

(58:48):
learn and really loves to study, I'm like, well, why
wouldn't I just hang out there study? Why would I
come down here? And they're like, well, it's different. When
you're learning over there, it's like theory, and when you
come here it's like practice. So when you're over there,
it's like you're learning how someone plays piano, but you
don't get to practice on the piano. And then you
come here and it's like, no, you better figure out

(59:09):
rockmanonof really quick, you know, So down here is where
we apply all of this stuff. In fact, that's the
core of my professional practice across the board is all
the spiritual stuff we get curious about and all these
crazy and mystical experiences that we have. All it is
is entertainment or confusion unless we figure out how to

(59:33):
apply it in the way we live here with each other.
So it's only information, and we can do information over there.
This is the place where it must be applied. That's
what we came here to do. So what my mantra
is sort of our work is here. Our work is here.
That's why we are here. That's why we're embodied because
we wanted to do this here. I like that, right,

(59:58):
But after we do our study or go hang out
with our friends or have a little reunion homecoming with
our homies and higher self and everything. Eventually, and it's
not like someone makes you do this, but eventually your
soul feels this kind of magnetic pool that says, I
think I'm ready to go back. I think I'm ready.

(01:00:19):
There are a couple things I'd like to work on,
and I feel like it's kind of time. I'm like
itching to do this a little bit. Some people who
are having a hard time here are like, I would
have never done this of my own volition, and I'm like,
but you did yeah, or there was something really important
you needed to do and this was the right time
to try and do it. So in a sense, it's

(01:00:40):
like I ask people not to give up, because when
things are hard, that usually means you're out of alignment
with your values, with what you came here to do.
And if we can figure out what those are, that's
kind of learning what your plan was, and we can
learn a lot about that by getting in touch with
your higher consciousness. But in a sense, your body can
tell you too, because you know when things don't feel right,

(01:01:02):
you know when you're not acting with integrity. So flip
that script and say, well, it's going to shuffle up
my life if I start acting in accordance with my
values every day. But it'll take you to a life
that doesn't feel so uncomfortable. It'll take you to a
life where you do feel good about how you're showing
up and what you're doing, and how you're interfacing with
people and the type of people you're interfacing with. All

(01:01:25):
those things kind of respond to the changes that you
make as you get closer to your plan. So the
other thing about this is free will. Some people don't
like that there is a plan set out for them
by them that they don't know about. I had this
issue in my twenties where I was like, I don't
care what spirit wants for me. I want to do
what I want to do, like what my persona and

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my ego want to do. That's what I want to do.
I'm here. You can't tell me what to do. But
the answer is like, yes, yes you can, but you
do also kind of pay a price for that too.
For a couple of years, I was willing to pay
the price because I was still stubborn and I was like,
I want to do what I want to do. And
then after a while I was like, Okay, Okay, I

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get it. I'm actually happier and I'm enjoying myself a
lot more when I'm not fighting against my nature. And
then as I started to understand myself better and have
the courage to make choices in alignment with my nature,
life got way more beautiful and full of like precious

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joy and camaraderie and companionship and just being able to
be present because I wasn't fighting my life, I wasn't
fighting myself. I was embracing myself. And embracing being here

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with the people I'm with and what I can learn
from them, and it's like the clouds parted, you know. So,
so in a sense it's like, don't feel locked into
your plan. You can make changes. Also, sometimes you made
a contract with someone and y'all still aren't figuring it out.
It's okay to be like not this time and just
end that because if it's not working, don't keep pushing.

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You can be like not this time, rip up that contract,
and you can move on. That's one of the things
we do in QHHT. When someone really can't figure it
out and it's hurting a lot, it's okay to cry
uncle and just say we'll try again next time.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
Yeah, give me a break please?

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
Yeah right right?

Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
Okay, Oh before we finish, Yeah I did, Okay, So
we never got back to my haunted kitchen sink story.
Oh yeah, sorry, I well, I love this one because
it kind of goes to show like none of this
goes away. Right. We moved into this so we my
family and I were in California for grad school. We

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moved back to North Carolin because this is where I
grew up, this is where my family is and this
is where, especially after COVID and stuff, it really showed
us how important community and family is to us. So
we came here to sort of be a lighthouse here.
We came from the wu capital of America to North Carolina,

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so we could just we're just gonna be strange here.
It's all good, yeah. But in the house we moved into,
you know, it's a fifty year old house. A lot
of people have lived here, including at least one or
two rounds of retirees. So we don't really know what
the full history of the inhabitants of this house are.

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But we we learned very quickly after moving in that
there was a presence here felt human. We didn't know
who it was. And my husband was in the kitchen
one night and he was washing some dishes, getting ready
to go to bed. It was probably like eleven thirty,
it was quite late, and he turned and looked into

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the window. We have this stained glass window in our kitchen.
And he turned and looked into the window, and instead
of seeing his own reflection, what he saw was the
reflection of like a little old lady with like short
you know, how they used to curl their they cut
their hair short and would curl it, so it was
like a big poof ball, big cotton ball. Old lady Hare.
That's what he saw in the window. And she didn't

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look angry, but she did look like he should be
in bed already, and that freaked him out. He stopped
washing dishes and immediately came to bed. He turned the
light off. He's like, I'm going to sleep right this minute.
So whoever she is our our local grandmother or whatever.

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But I got this funny I found around Halloween. I
found this little door mat for our carport door that
says something like home Suite Haunted Home. So I got
this little doormat, thinking I'm cute, right. Well, we had
a cleaner come clean the house who was very intense.

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She was so intense. She was like moving the furniture
to like vacuum underneath and stuff. So it was she
kind of tore the place up and left big energy
behind that. I was like, I don't know about all this.
That was pretty intense. Maybe we're not gonna do that again.
But we cleared the house. We cleared the house with
Palo Santo. But after we cleared it, our kitchen sink

(01:06:38):
is one of those touch sinks where you tap it
to turn it on and off. Yeah, it just starts
going on the fritz and you're going it's like Morse
code almost, And we didn't know what it was at first,
and we're like, what is that, where's that coming from?
We realized it's coming from the kitchen. This is when

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we started filming. So we go in and we're just
watching it just be crazy on the fritz. Nothing else
is happening. It's just in there on off, on, off,
and then like doing these patterns, my husband starts talking
to the sink. He starts talking to the sink and
he's saying stuff like we live here now, we love

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this house. You know, this is a place for family,
this is a place for hope and love and light.
And while he's speaking, the sink turns off and like
listens to him, and when he stops talking, it goes again, goes,
So it's like it would stop while and listen to

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him while he has something to say, and then it
would respond back to him again. And I'm sitting here
filming with my phone going, oh my gosh, I can't
believe I got this on camera. This was like a
couple of years ago. And what's funny is that, like
ever since that time, just every once in a while,
particularly when I'm stressed or when the kitchen is messy,

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because again, the kitchen's messy, well you know what I'm saying.
When I have a lot on my plate, things get
a little messy. But whenever the kitchen is getting a
little messy, sometimes that sink will just be like, excuse me,
someone better do these dishes. And there have been times
when I walk in there and I'm like, dude, not today,

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and it'll turn off and it won't come back on.
So yeah, even when you clear the house, I think
there might be a little old lady who loves that
kitchen and who has nothing against us, but wants to
make sure. Oh we've all said some of these too,
where it's like late at night and I've been watching

(01:08:43):
Netflix too long and I put I'm like, I can
do one more, and then the next episode will start
and the TV will just turn off and then I'll
be like okay and just go to bed.

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
I love that you've got grandma and she's just making
sure that you're doing what you're supposed to be doing.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
I mean, hey, we might need a little polite thumb
in the back from now, you know, from time to time.
But no, so we don't have any qualms about it.
I think she's pretty happy to hang with us. We
have a lot of fun here. So but I'm like,
you know, she's welcome to hang out as long as
she wants to. But again, like the door is always open.
If she wants to move on, that's fine. But I

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think sometimes people that love a place, it's not really
that they're stuck as much as they're not ready yet.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
Right, Yeah, And I get that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
I have there's a house in the family that my
great grandparents built and they still make their presence known there,
and we're.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
Just like that was Grandma. If it was in the kitchen,
it was Grandma. If it was down in the cellar.

Speaker 1 (01:09:48):
It's probably Grandpa, becaus that's where he did all his tinkering.

Speaker 3 (01:09:51):
That's great.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
It's just like they're.

Speaker 1 (01:09:54):
Fine, this is their house, you know, they're just making
sure that we're taking care of it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:58):
And remember that time is different for them now too,
So even if they're here for fifty years, for them,
that's that's the blink of an eye, you know what
I mean. So I also think you can feel it
when someone's having a lot of trouble moving on. This
is when they're here to just like tease you.

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
Right you let you let that sink it full?

Speaker 3 (01:10:19):
What's up with that?

Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
Yeah, I totally get that. I I want to be
respectful of your time because I appreciate you taking the
time on a Saturday to do this. And maybe we
can get back together at some point and do another
episode because the Civil War soldier, the you know, could

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it could you have been experiencing somebody else's past life,
or there's the conversation about how we're all connected and
maybe we've all lived the same lives.

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
And and that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
That could take another hour, and I don't want to
I don't want to keep you today.

Speaker 3 (01:10:59):
But no, that would. I have had so much fun
with you today. I would love to go down the
rabbit hole a little deeper if you're interested, So, uh,
just let me know this has been because I've really
enjoyed this.

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Speaker 4 (01:13:15):
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Speaker 5 (01:13:34):
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believe that I do. There go to there.

Speaker 4 (01:14:06):
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