December 4, 2024 • 75 mins
Bigfoot sightings have been reported in every U.S. state except Hawaii. In this episode, you’ll meet two field researchers looking for Sasquatch in north Georgia. Hear their stories, exclusive audio clips from their expeditions, and a couple of bonus paranormal stories.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Bigfoot sightings have been reported in every US state except Hawaii.
On this episode, you'll meet two field researchers who are
looking for sasquatch in North Georgia. Keep listening to hear
audio clips and stories from their expeditions. Welcome to the
(00:47):
Peak Podcast. I'm your host, Nicole Moarrock, and I'm grateful
you're here. The two big ideas behind the Peak Podcast
are to show that the paranormal is more normal than
most people think, and to connect the science to the SI,
including esp psychokinesis, and intuition. And occasionally we dive into cryptozoology,
(01:08):
which is a fun aspect of the paranormal that requires
serious investigators to venture into the great outdoors. Before we
jump into this episode's interview, I want to let you
know that the ebook version of My House of Horrors,
a Paranormal Choose your Own Adventure Story is available now
(01:29):
for free. This is the presentation that I did for
the Wake County Public Libraries Haunted Carolina program this year.
It's available in EPUB and PDF formats, so anyone should
be able to work through its many fun plot lines.
The download link is in the show notes and on
the front page of my personal website, Nicolemarrock dot com.
(01:54):
Now back to this episode's interview. Our two guests, Scott
and Paul, would like to remain anonymous, so beyond their
first names and their state, we're keeping their identities on
the down low. These two friends have been searching the
woods of North Georgia for evidence of Bigfoot and along
the way they found some interesting visuals and captured audio
(02:17):
in addition to getting to spend time in nature. I'm
so grateful they are joining us to share their experiences.
Let's dive in with Paul and Scott. Good evening, Paul
and Scott, thank you for joining me tonight. How are
y'all doing?
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Great?
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Awesome, Really excited to have you on to talk about
bigfoot research. And we are keeping this as anonymous as
you would like, so you don't have to give away
exact names of towns or anything like that. But I
do want to ask each of you, and you can
raise your hand as far as who's going first. I'm
(02:56):
not gonna call anyone out, but what first got you
start hearted and to bigfoot research?
Speaker 2 (03:05):
I'll take that. So. I don't remember when it was,
but I remember when I was a wee lad seeing
the Patterson Gimlin Field right, and I was when I say,
we lad that would have been the early seventies. And
I was just transfixed by that. And Scott said that
(03:27):
we grew up in a small town. We had a
library close by, was within walking distance of my house,
and I would just walk up to the library check
out every book on whether it's Likeness Monster or Sasquatch
or whatever, and just take it home and devour those books.
And then as I got older, Scott and I met
(03:50):
when we were in high school, and we would watch
the old you know, at eleven thirty twelve o'clock at night,
we would watch the Little Nie Boy series in search
off right, and that was always creepy and fun, and
we you know, enjoyed that. Fast forward, you know, because
I didn't really think anything about that. Fast forward to
(04:12):
twenty seventeen. Scott had moved to the West Coast for
a couple of decades, had moved back. We started doing
some camping, and you know, at one point I wake
up from a nap and Scott is across the river
and just kind of walking around and he comes back over.
I said, dude, what are you doing? He goes well,
(04:34):
I've been watching these YouTube videos and these guys go
out looking for Bigfoot and they find tree bends and
things like that, and that's what I was looking for.
And I said, oh, okay, I'm game. So so we
started continuing to camp, and we decided we're going to
start looking for different interesting things in the woods, right,
(04:57):
And we were actually successful found some interesting things. But
I remember September of two thousand and eighteen, we were
near the Jack's River in northwest Georgia and we heard
our first very distinct Treenck and both of us heard
(05:19):
on several mornings, very distinct whoops and callbacks. And we
didn't have a recorder. I mean, we weren't doing any
of that. And I remember thinking, I'm going to go
figure out what kind of bird that is, because that
doesn't sound like any kind of bird up I've ever heard.
I went home all weekend and was doing you know,
(05:40):
I went through every bird I could on YouTube, on
the Cornell website, on the Cornell database, couldn't find it.
And then I stumbled upon YouTube the Cincinnati Zoo and
they had primates there. They had the gibbons and the
Gibvens were whooping and I said, that's what I heard,
(06:00):
and I got chill bumps. I mean, I'm listening, I'm
looking at this saying, oh my gosh, what I heard
sounds just like a monkey. And I told my wife,
I said, it's on. And so since then it has
truly been on. Scott and I we've been partners in
(06:22):
this and acquiring equipment and going out and trying to
trying to find out for ourselves what might be out there.
So does that help answer your question?
Speaker 1 (06:32):
It does. Now Scott has a follow up question, since
you're the one who got Paul into this, what made right?
I was trying to say it without saying it, But
you know what sparked your interest? Was it the TV shows?
Or do you go all the way back to the
Patterson Giblin film too.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
I go back to the Patterson Give Them a film
in the sense that when I was about six years old,
I went to a movie theater with a friend of
mine and his older sister who was able to drive.
And this movie was a documentary, and I believe, if
I'm not mistaken, it was called Myths, Mysteries and Monsters,
(07:14):
narrated by Peter Graves. If you're familiar with him and
terrified me. I mean just terrified me. So that was
the first introduction to big quote our sasquatch at the
time kind of lost interest, you know, until later when
(07:36):
Bud and I met when we were fifteen. I was
fifteen and he was sixty emply and we started watching
the in Search of I was actually fifteen or fourteen.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Fifteen or fourteen.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Yeah, it was a long time ago, land far away.
So as he said, you know, we went camping, and
what he did not mention is we went up the
hill and we found our first tree bind that was
tucked under another log on the side of the hill,
(08:09):
which couldn't possibly have been fallen, had fallen that way
due to the size of the tree bend and the
log that it was under, because it was pretty much rotten,
had been there for a while. And also another thing
that is very familiar with Bigfoot is a smell, a
(08:31):
very nasty smell, And that day we smelled something at
the same time, and he about freaked out.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Yeah, it's the closest thing I've ever had in my
life to a panic attack. On the side of the skill,
and we had seen we found some artifacts or some
very interesting things and then that odor, and I was
ready to get off that hill. Yeah, I'll be honest
(08:59):
with you, raid to roll, But that's the interesting We
just started the ball from the gap.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Okay, So a little more about the smell. Was it
the skuncape smell like just raunchy trash and I don't
know that's the skunky smell?
Speaker 2 (09:18):
So as best I remember, it was, you know, it
smelled like a musty skunk. That's what I remember. It
didn't smell like garbage or anything like that. But so
I'm not saying that that what we detected was, you know,
at eight hunderd pound cryptid. But I was already locked
(09:41):
in on that being a possibility. So when that came
came through on the radar, I'm gone. If anything, we're debunkers.
We tried to bump anything and everything, whether to smell
or break or stick figure, glyph anything we don't automate.
Definitely jumped to Oh that's definitely a big flick. Never
(10:03):
a matter of fact, we go the opposite direction. But yeah,
that was our first experience and we've been going at
it since then.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
I do not blame you, and I like that you
tried to debunk. That's one of the keys to a
good investigation of any sort is to try to find
those Monday and explanations before you jump to a more
paranormal conclusion. So that's very good speaking of glyphs, because Paul,
you did just mention it. Tell me about the glyphs,
(10:33):
When did you first find them, how many have you found?
Whatever else do you want to talk about.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
So this would have been back in maybe twenty nineteen, Yeah,
twenty nineteen or so, and we were in the We
were in one of our research areas, which is in
the northeast corner of Georgia, and we were, as always
we hike off trail, we go bushwhacking, and we were
(11:07):
going across, you know, a plateau type area and we
were separated maybe by what fifty yards or so. It
wasn't too far. It wasn't too far because you know,
we break up because we want to be able to
cover more area in that fashion. And Scott had seen
something and he yelled for me. I said, okay, hold on,
(11:30):
So I made a bee line to where he was
and I just happened to look down at one point
about halfway there, and I see this six inch and
and I believe that I sent you the image of
that nikki, a six inch square you know, on the
ground made out of branches with it looks, you know,
(11:52):
with an X in the middle, and it's almost like
a star kind of pattern in it as well. And
we said, wow, that's interesting. It sure didn't fall like that,
and so and so we you know, actually that day
we started just paying attention as we went through the woods,
and in that day we stumbled upon several more wow
(12:17):
and varying sizes and varying I don't want to say shapes.
All of them, you know, have been squares with x's
in the middle. But maybe you can go into more
about the different sizes as well as the scope of
geography that we have stumbled upon those. Yeah, the first
one was.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
About six bus six as Bud mentioned, but it had
multiple sticks.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
For the X. And then we as we were wandering.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Around, we started seeing other xes, most of them in
the one and a half two foot diameter range, and
one time we even found one that was four by
four that had another X within the left lower quadrant.
But the interesting thing about this is we found these
(13:08):
xes not only on that mountain, but another mountain range
across the highway from where we had entered, and we
figured it up to be within a ten mile radius.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
There were thirty two. There were thirty three within a
ten by ten era ten mile by ten mile area,
massive amount of the area.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Yeah, and not only were they off the grid, sometimes
they were on sides of hills, which made no sense.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
We even dug one of them up, you know, to
see if there was anything underneath, you know, anything. We
were just trying to come up with any answer, and
we did. I think we found one on a fire road.
That was the closest one we found to any civilization,
so to speak. The rest of them, as far as
I remember, we're way off where nobody would be tricking,
(14:04):
No no trails or anything.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
So so the the interesting thing about that is, you know, obviously,
you know, we started doing as much research as we could.
We take a look at you know, scouting symbols, hiking symbols,
camping symbols. Came up empty. I've done uh, you know,
(14:28):
Chad GPT, you know, put that imagine there. It doesn't
come up with anything other than you know, branches laying
in the woods.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
You know, I've had uh, you know, friends say it
might be some sort of Indian thing. It might be
you know whatever. We you know, every time we we
we have found these, we've done a search for trail camps. Yeah,
it might be some sort of drug kind of situation
or what. But we've never found any trail camps other
(15:03):
than our own, uh in those areas. And but something
that's interesting, and I believe Scott you you had sent
this to me where Scott had anonymously, it makes it
and I think I've got this right had gone on
you know, a Facebook page, and if you're really serious
about bigfoot or sosquatch, you never on Facebook on a
(15:27):
Facebook group and posted an image right on these Facebook
groups and said and anonysmally asked and didn't say where
it was, didn't say where we found these? Basically said,
has anybody found one of these? And a lady posted,
you know an answer, do you remember what what you
(15:49):
told me? I do not actually apologize? No, no, that's fine,
so you so he screenshot the answer and it came
back and this lady said, you know, back when I
was a kid, like thirty years ago, right, we found
something like this, and she named the area and it
(16:12):
was the exact same area that we have found ours.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Oh wow.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
She named the road. She named the exact road that
bisects the area that we find these in. And this
was three decades ago, right by the way. We had
pulled off to the side of the road.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
At one point too, we had a signal at one
area and we were in a different area from where
we found.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Those, particularly goofts.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
But we were checking our phones and check an email,
and a park ranger pulled it behind us and checked
see if we were okay, if there was any trouble,
and so at that point I took the opportunity and
I just said, hey, have you you know you're a
park ranger. Have you ever seen anything like this? And
he said, I've never seen anything like this, And he said,
(17:00):
do you mind texting me this picture?
Speaker 2 (17:02):
I'm gonna ask around.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
So we I sent him the text of the glyph
and it was a foot by a foot, that particular picture,
and he texted his back, He texts texted us. He
sent a text back later and he said he showed
it to all his guys down at the ranger station
and they nobody had a clue. And he just laughed
(17:24):
and said it's probably big for it, like, well, I
don't know about that, but they had no clue in their.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Park rangers, so they had never seen it before. So
the final epilogue on that is when we were at
Small Town Monsters, uh Monsterfest, I talked to somebody and uh,
he said, you know, I think, uh, I think I
think I've seen something like that on Joe and Jesse's
(17:52):
YouTube channel. Yeah. So I'm not going to go into
the name of their their group, but Joe and Jesse
promin sasquatch researchers, and so I went back and found
that they had actually been in the part of Georgia
that we were in, and sure enough they saw one
of those and they had no clue what it was.
(18:13):
And so yeah, it's on one of their videos. I
sent it to you. So the mystery remains. So when
you figure it out, Nikki, please very.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
I will share the image that you shared with me
when I post the link and the announcement for this episode,
and maybe somebody will recognize it or have some sort
of a clue that they could give us to lead
us into the right direction. Like it's the whole thirty
(18:51):
years ago thing is interesting because you're not going to
you know, while you're out there right now, you're not
finding thirty year old glyphs.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
Those would be.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Long gone, right, So this has been happening for at
least thirty years in that area.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
The O reason one we found was messed up. When
we went back six months later, it was messed up.
So you're right, they're not very long.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
No, that's just amazing.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Yeah, that's pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yeah, and you know we can't directly link it to Bigfoot,
but you're out there looking for Bigfoot and you find
this other mystery.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Well, we'll think about this. In this part of our
research area, we are not looking for glyphs. We've right
upon them, and we write upon thirty three, Which makes
you wonder, if we've just stumbled upon thirty three, how
many are out there that are just out there that
(19:49):
we've never that we just didn't stumble upon because we
weren't we weren't looking, we weren't scouring for.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Them, right, And I had a thought, well, we're telling
the story and I can't remember it, so if it
comes back to me, come back to it. In the meantime.
Moving forward, what are your research methods when you are
out there like.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Well, this guy loves to spend money.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
So about every month or so, I'll get an email, Dude,
I just got this new recorder and so he's got
how many recorders you have now?
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Three? Three?
Speaker 3 (20:35):
And one of them is well, they're all very nice,
but one of them we always plant deep in the
woods and has SD card, So we use recorders deep
in the woods. We use recorders. Whenever we part the
truck and go into the woods. We live a recorder
and we have a recorder that runs all night at
the campsite, which is good because when we're telling our
(21:00):
worries about what's going on, we have audio proof that
we're not just drunk.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
So not just drunk.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
And I've actually had a couple of trail camps that
I've put out. A couple of them have been absconded
by bears, are chewed up, and uh, I got tired
of losing them. So I usually keep the trail camp
within the campsite, and you know, I can't keep losing them.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
What else we use? Yeah, I mean, I mean normally
what we do is we'll take a look in there
we want to go in. Uh, We'll we have bay
areas for our basic base camp, which where we'll we'll
come in and we'll you know, decide we're going to
set up there, and then the next several trips we'll
look at topo maps, take a look at at terrain,
(21:48):
take a look, you know, where where creeks or rivers
come together, maybe in a valley. Sometimes we just get lucky,
right and just buying places that and just stumble up
on places. You look around as like, wow, this is
if I was a big Foot, I want to live here.
And we just kind of stay there for a little bit.
But we use topo maps, we do the auto recordings,
(22:10):
we do trail cams, a lot of you know, hiking.
We're not really trying to you know, see a cryptid. Really,
what we're trying to do is find evidence. You know,
whether it's whether it's you know, artifacts, whether they're twists,
their brakes. I'm not sure you know what to think
(22:31):
about all that, but but we have found them. You know,
they are, They do exist. Now I don't know where
they're from or where to attribute them to. But so
we look for those and you know, ideally we make
enough noise that something might follow us back to our campsite.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Yeah, and speaking of that, you you have heard a
sound in your campsite at night, is that right?
Speaker 2 (23:01):
So yeah, we've heard, we've heard, we've heard rocks being
thrown into our We've heard rocks which what we interpret
is rocks painting in our campsite. We've heard, we've had
footfalls within our campsite. We've had vocals just outside of
(23:21):
the campsite. But you know, and I think one of
the clips I sent you, we had a tree break
or a tree knock just outside of our campsite. Literally
I call it the fifty foot knock. And so that
(23:41):
was somewhat unearthly.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
It was loud, and it was no doubt or it
wasn't a tree falling, limb breaking. It was like somebody
took a baseball bat and hit side of the tree.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
We didn't hear any.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Activity all night while we were sitting by the fire.
We almost never have radio going or any extra sound,
occasionally lost to the Braves game or something, but usually
it's just quiet. And we didn't get any activity until
we get into the tent, and we were in the
tent maybe two minutes.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
And so it occurs to me, Nikki, what you're referring
to about stuff in the camp. So it's got not
our last camping trip, but the trip before. We had
had one of the handhelds sitting on the truck and
we had it. It sounded like someone had lobbed a
(24:40):
rock and had hit the table or there was a
metallic clientk remember that. It was a very loud impact.
So there's so much stuff we have that we forget
these things.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
I understand it, and I afforded.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
I had forwarded that to Nicki and and some of
her friends to get their feedback. And I said, this
was in our camp at like six point thirty this morning.
And I bet that's what you were referring.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
That is, yeah, that is I had that insider information.
I wasn't sure if I should give it away.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Oh no, that's absolutely fine. And and that that was
quite bizarre. I mean, you heard it, right, I did.
I did, And it was loud and it was metallic
and who knows what that was, and it was but
it was unnerving. We we actually heard it when it happened,
(25:32):
and going back, you know, and actually when I say
we heard it, I heard it because I was awake
in the tent. Scott was still asleep and I had
to go back and you know, pull the time stamp
and see and I went to that point in time,
and yeah, that was a loud artifact.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
I've forgotten about it. Sometimes I'm person of all. I
am terrible sleeping in camp. I just I have to
use noise canceling headphone sometimes. But if I want to
hear something, why would.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
You do that? Again? If an eight hundred pounds really
Tom and D is sneaking up the hill, what do
you do? You want to hear everything?
Speaker 6 (26:15):
Will?
Speaker 1 (26:15):
I would? But I also sleep with white noise machine
at home and in hotels, so I could. I could
see needing one out in the list.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
When I do hear something, I will audibly say out
loud it's one am tree knock. I'll just as a
que for us to go back and hear it later.
But that particular night, speaking of the fifty foot knock,
that particular night, we.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Finally call it the Night of Terror, or or not
so finally.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Yeah, but there were tree knocks and h stuff going
on all night. That one was the closest. There were
others going on different locations, multiple knocks at once that night, Meda,
I came home. I live in a high rise in Atlanta.
Totally safe. And I remember hearing a knock while I
(27:08):
was at home and it's like PTSD.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
I was like, what it was it. I'm like, I'm
in my I'm in my place, eleven, Florisa. Everything's fine.
Speaker 7 (27:17):
Yeah, yeah, but any way, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
I feel like I interrupted you. No, no, you're You're good. Continue.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
But so we we've heard knocks just about just about
every trip we've done. The last few have been kind
of slow. However, not this past time. At the time
before when we went to plant the recorder in a
new location in the middle of the day, we had
a good knock. Happened as he was putting it on
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the tree. We had just stopped and he was he
does the putting up of the tray and I do
sitting there watching drinking the water, and we heard it
off about one hundred yards are wearing it. Yes, it
takes a village.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
I like how he could drink the water, you could
see the work right.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Hurry, dude, it's always he knows his place right, you know.
It's funny.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
We've done this so many times and we've known each
other for forty years, so we pretty much can finish
each other since. But we've done this so many times
that when we do set up camp, we don't even
have to say anything. We both have a set thing
that we do. While he's doing one thing, I'm doing
something else, and we just knock it out, which is
good because when you take you know, when he takes
(28:38):
his family, he's going to tell everybody what to.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Do, I guess. But it's a it's a fun time.
We have a great time.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Yeah, And I could see the appeal even if you
didn't have something like a night of terror, the appeal
to just be able to go out and spend the
night in the woods and get away from society.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Yeah. Absolutely, all right.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
So you shared with me several audio clips, and I
don't know, do you want me to play these in
order and we talk about them, or do you want
to skip around?
Speaker 2 (29:12):
So I think maybe I can. I can give some
context around the clip before you play it, and then
we can do any sort of discussion that you want.
So I named him when I sent them to you,
So we'll look at peep one. Okay, that was done
(29:34):
August thirteenth of this year. This was about four thirty
in the morning. This was the morning after the install
that Scott just mentioned where we were doing the install,
and there was a tree knock while we were doing
the install, very close by. It wasn't very intimidating, but
it was definitely there. So this is is uh, but
(30:01):
what you're going to discover is that while we heard
a tree knock, the clip we're about to listen to
is not a tree knock. And once we listen to it,
and if you want to play it a couple of
times for your audience, some more commentary around it.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Once you get done, Okay, let me set up and sure,
all right, here we go, just kidding, gout of rewind it.
Here we go. Okay, that was play one. This is
(30:44):
playing it again.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Okay, So that's a clear vocal, and Scott and I
kind of go back and forth. We did disagree a
little bit, Scott. Scott's of the mind that that's one
one long whoop on the spectrogram. It looks to me
like that's actually two animals, which is really neither here
(31:12):
nor there. The really interesting part about this particular vocal
is we were listening to it, you know, over and
over and over, and both of us realized it sounded
familiar and we went and pulled audio from July of
twenty twenty. So this the the auto we just listened
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to was in north central Georgia. Have you ever heard
of Matt Pruitt. He's a yes searcher. So it's kind
of from his old stomping grounds where we pulled the
auto we just listened to. That's where that came from.
We had audio in July of twenty twenty, and it
(31:55):
was we had the same vocal from about one hundred
miles away in the northeast part of Georgia. And that
that audio was actually reviewed by Jim Sherman out of
Michigan as well as Manongahela who Jim Sherman I don't know.
I don't know him, but Jim did and he and
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so so we have two matching vocals one hundred miles
apart and four years apart, which I think is very compelling.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
It is I'm going to play that one one more
time just so the listeners, can, you know, make sure
they're a sound is turned up? Okay. I think that's
a really cool capture. And yeah, it doesn't sound like
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any animal that I know.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Yeah, And so you know a number of people at
small town monsterfest, you know, including you know Mike Ann
who gave me so much of his time it was unbelievable.
You know, turned us onto the different Animal identify our
apps and things like that, and we've you know, the
(33:15):
vocals that you hear, We've run through those apps and
it comes back and says, yeah, we don't know what
you're talking about. There's there's not an animal.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
It doesn't exist. Your recorder hallucinated exactly.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
So Pete so Pete too. Is is a very interesting
I deal. This was August seventeenth of twenty twenty three,
and we had done an install on a on a
tree and I realized the morning after that I had
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forgotten to put a security bar across it. It's a
fairly expensive recorder. I wanted to go pull it off
so that a bear wouldn't take it off. We went
to the Serve road the service roader was was blocked off.
We knew that it was about a half hour hike in.
Scott had had some leg trouble from the day before
(34:08):
it He's I said, dude, I'll just walk in and
get this recorder and walk back out. I'll pack light.
I'm not even gonna take a pack. He goes, dude,
take a gun. I was like, I don't need to
take my gun. Let's just say I'm glad I did.
So when I the recording you're about to hear is
(34:29):
is I'm approaching. Okay, the recorder is running, and the
the recorder is a is a wildlife acoustic song mining. Okay,
so we you know it's uh, it's it's a pretty
pretty good piece of equipment. And what you're about to
(34:50):
hear they're gonna be percussions on trees. But these occurred
about forty five seconds before you start hearing me approaching.
So I was roughly, I want to say, thirty yards
from the recorder when these percussions occurred. Okay, and so
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on the on the longer recording, you can actually hear
me talking to Scott on the walkie talkie as I'm
coming in, but that is just after these knocks. So
you can go ahead and play peep two.
Speaker 8 (35:31):
Okay, Yeah, that was definitely two knocks.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
So you you heard these as you were approaching the recorder.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
I did not hear those. I didn't hear, and I
go back and think, why didn't you hear that? Well?
Number one is you're walking. Number two, squirrels were going nuts,
okay that in that deal. And number three, you're not
(36:26):
expecting to hear anything. I mean, at least I wouldn't.
It's nine thirty in the morning, right, what could what
could happen? So No, I did not hear those. It
wasn't until I got back and said, huh, I wonder
what was on that recorder when I walked in. When
I was walking in, and I pulled that clip and
I sent it to Scott and said, I'm a little
(36:47):
freaked out right now because I did the math and
I knew where I was when those occurred.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
So it was, you know, yards away now that same
install location, when we don't know if it was before
or after this particular date we were doing this, and
all that day we were we were setting up the
camera camera, we were setting up the recorder on the tree,
and we heard a loud knock again as we were
setting up on the tree across the creek and up
(37:17):
the hill from where we were. I don't remember if
that occurred before after this date, it was the day
before because.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
That was the first install we all been in Bluff Creek. Yeah,
so so we've heard stuff there before. Actually we had
I don't want to go off on a tangent, but
we had some crashing sounds of footsteps running up to
that recorder one night and like a heavy breathing sound
(37:46):
almost or a heavy breath, I should say, a heavy
breathing sound. And I had my trail cam actually on
a tree, and it sounds like whatever rushed up was
standing beside the recorder.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
It was it seemed it was that close. Didn't catch
anything on the trail camp nothing I did, will nothing
from that moment. I did, however, get video of a
little tiny mouse running up the tree, so I know
the camp was working.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Anyway. I kind of sidetracked with that. Sorry about that.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
That location we nickname it Bluff Creek one.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
Now that that actually makes me think about the stories
that you hear on some of the other podcasts where
people say that, you know, they heard the big foot
walk up to them while they were sitting in a
deer blind, but when they got the courage up to
you know, look and see where if it was just
standing there like they thought it was, they saw nothing.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Well, I mean, you've experienced that the tid when you've
heard bipedal steps walk right through the tit. Yeah, and
you've hopped up up immediately put the you know, the
flash light, put the flashlight out, and there's there's nothing there.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
And that's not from a drowsy dream state or asleep.
I was wide awake, So there's no you know, mistaking
that I heard something. But as but said, I looked,
didn't see a thing anywhere.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
So wow, I'm going to play this one more time
and then we can move on to the next one. Yeah,
(39:56):
it definitely sounds like it's coming from two different places,
like one is the first one sounds much closer than
the other one.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
You know, you so, who knows really what it is.
My hypothesis is is there was a human coming in
and whatever it was was using percussions on trees to
warm of oncoming danger. So that's that's just the way
that I think about it.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
But at the end of the day, who really knows, right,
And you're not the first person I've heard say that
that's probably what they're using wood knocking for. And I've
even heard somebody say that they they were out in
the woods with several people and there were like the
number of knocks corresponded to the number of people. It
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was almost like they were saying, there are five people
coming your way.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Yes, it is interesting.
Speaker 8 (40:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
So the next clip is Peak three, and just a
little while ago we talked about, you know, the fifty
foot knock, and this what you're about to play on
Peak three is in fact the fifty foot NX. So
some context. You know, when we are out at night,
one of the things we you know a lot of
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researchers like to go hiking at night, which is great,
more power to them. Our approach is a sitting camp
and make a lot of noise and hopefully draw something in. Well.
Apparently we were successful, unfortunately. So the context of this
clip is it's about midnight. When we retired to our tent.
(41:34):
We hadn't heard anything all night, nothing had happened. We
get in our tent and within three minutes we hear
a percussion, which is a clear percussion. The clip you're
about to hear does not do it justice at all.
It was loud, it reverbated, there was an echo, and
(41:56):
I think the best part about this clip, if you
can get it loud enough, is toward the end of
you hear the percussion, then you hear Scott and I
talking about what we just heard in the tent. So anyway,
so this was the night of terror, but this was
this was the start.
Speaker 5 (42:15):
Ah, yeah, that was that was interesting.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
I have stereo headphones on and it was like in
my left ear, just my left ear.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
So so it so our our recorder records in stereo, right,
So that allows us to be able to determine where
the noises are coming from. Where that came from. There's
a very steep drop off from that side of the
camp area. So yeah, it's not so the chances of
(43:10):
a number one, a human being down there at twelve
o'clock at night just trying to scare us when we're
in the middle of the woods and you can hear
a vehicle approaching from long from miles away, you know,
you know how it is an old country road. Oh,
the idea that that was a human doing that is
(43:33):
that just doesn't ring true.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
To me, makes sense. I'll play it one more time.
Speaker 4 (43:39):
Okay, it's not a lot more impressive.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
Yeah I can. I can imagine. I mean, you're hearing
just the crickets and then all of a sudden.
Speaker 7 (44:07):
Bang, wood on wood sounds what it sounds like. It
sounds very woody. We've had some sounds a little more
tenny or I don't know, not as not as much
wood on wood but it was quite loud for sure.
Did you want to play that one more time before
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we went to the next one?
Speaker 2 (44:28):
Or are we good?
Speaker 1 (44:30):
We're good on this. I think what I'm going to
do is when I'm when I'm editing it, I'll actually
put all four of these clips therefore right, Yeah, I'll
put all four of these clips at the end of
the interview, so people can I can I can boost
them a little bit more. Yeah, we can hear them
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one more time before the show's over.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
So the last one is is Peak five. This was
October third of twenty twenty three. This is one of
my favorite clips. This happened about eleven thirty at night.
This particular clip has been sent to a lot of
quote unquote experts because we couldn't figure out what it was.
I've compared it to not every bird, but most indigenous
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birds in the Cornell database. Run it through a burdnet,
run it through Merlin. I've sent it to other quote
unquote experts hadn't got anything back. It's been sent to
an ornithologist as well. Hadn't got anything back on that yet.
So this is a longer clip because because on PEP
(45:42):
five there's a lot going on, So enjoy.
Speaker 6 (45:45):
It all right, Okay, there was definitely a lot going on,
(47:50):
but I agree.
Speaker 1 (47:52):
Okay, So I heard woodnocks.
Speaker 2 (47:56):
I did too, by the way.
Speaker 1 (47:57):
Yeah, that's good. I wasn't hallucinating. And what time of
night was this?
Speaker 2 (48:05):
Was that eleven thirty pm?
Speaker 1 (48:07):
Okay? So was I hearing birds or was there something
else going on that as far as you think.
Speaker 2 (48:17):
So what, uh what I hear? It's not identified as
a bird anywhere. Okay, I've been Uh one person said
there's no way that that's a bird, it's too breathy
or a bird, and another individual who heard it said
it sounded like a bird with lists.
Speaker 1 (48:39):
Yep, I've heard that phrase several times.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
So my ex girlfriend that other thing.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
Okay, so it was just spot.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
There you go, mystery saw the bunch. So yeah, so
this has been listened to by by multiple people and
the no one's been able to identify what what kind
of animal that might be.
Speaker 1 (49:11):
Yeah, that's really interesting. In in the just for the
sake of time, I'm not going to replay that one
until like I said, I'll edit in later.
Speaker 2 (49:21):
That's a minute clip.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
Yeah, but definitely interesting. Okay, So there was one other
sound that we don't have a clip for, but we
we talked about a little bit before we got started
with the interview, and that's the that car door in
the woods sound that some people have described.
Speaker 2 (49:41):
Yeah. So, so we have in multiple locations, uh, recorded
sounds out in the middle of the National Forest that
when you replay it, it sounds like I've always turned
it a car unk shutting And you know, I sent
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you a clip. It really didn't translate well that for
us to listen to, but it's definitely just a wump
sound in the middle of the woods. We've we've gotten
it in multiple locations and I really didn't think anything
about it. Well I did. I'm just like, well, that's cool.
But it wasn't until I was watching some of the
(50:24):
stuff from the Olympic Project and both Shane court Is,
either Shane Corson or Chris Spencer made reference to getting
these kind of sounds according to things like that. I said,
holy cow, I want to say. I want to say
that the that the n A W a C has
(50:44):
has captured similar sounds as well, but I'm going off
memory right here. I can be wrong about that. So yeah,
that's very interesting, and I think it's it's pretty cool
that we've captured sounds that other people have captured in
different parts of the country that just don't have good
except nations.
Speaker 1 (51:01):
Definitely. I've heard so many different potential, kind of out
there explanations for that particular sound, Like some people think, oh, well,
if Bigfoot is interdimensional, this is the sound of the
portal opening, and I laugh. But at the same time,
being the open minded person that I am, I'm also like, well,
(51:23):
that's an interesting hypothesis.
Speaker 3 (51:26):
You know, well, you see, you know that to the
fact that people talk about orbs, they see orbs as
well as Bigfoot at the same time, a lot We've
never seen an orb at all, although I do keep
an eye out when we're out there, I've never seen it.
But you know, I think anything's up in the air,
anything is possible. You don't know what you don't know, So,
(51:50):
you know, an interesting sound that we did, you know experience.
You know, One point was we were there was a
lot going on this particular that didn't have anything to
do with sounds or or or Harry hominids or anything
like that. But we heard probably it's handed like sixty
(52:11):
or seventy feet from our camp. It sounded like someone
took a refrigerator or an old dishwasher and threw it
out of a tree. And as so I thought it
sounding like refrigerator.
Speaker 2 (52:24):
I immediately turned to Scott and said, what did that
sound like? He said, that sounded like a refrigerator was
thrown out of a tree. So it was a very
distinct sound. We went and looked all over a bit
of a metal sound. It was a metallic boom crunchy sound,
(52:45):
and never could find the.
Speaker 3 (52:47):
Source of that. Yeah, we went looking the next day
in that area that it came from. Yeah, there's nothing
it could possibly then. And it's so frustrating doing this
sometimes because we see this sometimes.
Speaker 2 (53:04):
Yeah, every time.
Speaker 9 (53:06):
We go out, I want to know what I want
to know now, right, But you are coming back with data,
So I mean it's not they're not fruitless nights out.
Speaker 1 (53:18):
Plus, like we said, it's nice to just, you know,
get away from society when you can get some exercise,
fresh air. But you're coming back with data, and I
think it's it's awesome because a lot of people will
go out and not have anything happen and get frustrated
and give up or decide that because nothing happened, bigfoot
(53:38):
doesn't exist. And you can't ump to the conclusion in
either direction, like just because you got data doesn't prove
that it's bigfoot unless you see it in person. And
so here's my question to you is what would you
do if you actually came face to face with a bigfoot?
Speaker 3 (53:58):
How many times have we asked each or that that? Well,
first of all, I started with what would you do
if you heard a solid knock? And then it escalated
and escalated and the question, I don't know. I don't
know what the answer to that would be.
Speaker 1 (54:14):
It's like face to face, yeah, face to face.
Speaker 2 (54:21):
Yeah, who knows. I would like to think that I would,
you know, keep my cool and you know, uh, you know,
observe and you know, enjoy the moment, because that would
be a you know, I mean, people really you know,
get to experience that or have that experience that that's
(54:42):
probably not what's going to happen day or night, makes
a big difference.
Speaker 1 (54:46):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I mean to be fair, nobody
knows unless until it happens. Yeah, it's really it's you
want to think that you'd be brave and calm, cool
and collected, but you also, as Shannon Lagrau would say,
you might need a pair of brown pants.
Speaker 2 (55:05):
You know. And uh, I've come to the realization. But
I've I've said on the fact that if if I
ever do see one, you know, probably it won't be
until after the fact that we deduce that's what we saw,
(55:27):
because most sightings are very fleeting, right, and uh, the
brain tries to put tries to categorize everything we see,
you know, and I know you know us when we
see things or whatnot, we we try to characterize a
debuncket and we have seen things and talked about things
(55:50):
that we come to the conclusion later, well, yeah, actually
that was something. And uh so I suspect if we,
you know, outside of a face to face encounter, which
you know, how many people, how many people actually have
that But if it's just a fleeting account or probably
we we'll talk ourselves out of what we actually just saw.
Speaker 3 (56:12):
I mean, are you going to tell because a lot
of nick we can tell you Nicky wants to hear that.
But you start telling your friends and family, they're gonna,
you know, sitch up with a doctor's appointment. What I
would love to do is if we could see one
at the same time, we can verify, right, you seeing
(56:33):
what am I seeing? Because if one person sees it,
as we've talked about this before, we would both go, well,
I believe you believe that you saw something.
Speaker 2 (56:41):
I would improve anything. So at the same time, adds
a little more legitimacy to it, I suppose.
Speaker 1 (56:48):
Yeah, that's actually one of the rules that my paranormal
investigation team always had was use the buddy system, because
you if there's always somebody with you, then there's more
likely if you haven't experienced both of you are going
to have that experience corroboration, right, yep, yep. So it's
it's a good point. Hopefully, I hope for the best
(57:10):
that the two of you see one at oh, I
don't know, a football field away, far enough away that
you don't have to worry about fearing for your lives,
but close enough that you can tell it's not just
a guy in a gilly suit.
Speaker 2 (57:26):
Well, you know, we we have an advantage. And he
imagines this, and and I was interacting on Facebook with
the aforementioned Matt Prue. This was a few years ago.
By the way, I'm not friends with Matt. He would
not remember this at all, but he was talking about,
you know, what are you going out for? Right? You
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have to you have to determine. Are you going out
to experience these things for yourself prove to yourself that
they are are true? Or are you trying to prove
to the world and trying to prove to science that
these are true? Because the burden of proof for one
is a lot higher and heavier than the burn of
proof of the other. So we're fortunate in that we're
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doing this for us right and that enjoyment. We are
able to get out of the woods. We're able to
experience some things. We're able to do to the best
of our ability. You know what we've learned from other people,
do scientific inquiry, collect data, compile data. Hopefully what we
do can pass on to the next generation once we're gone,
(58:32):
and ultimately maybe what we do will help solve this
great mystery. But we're able to have fun with it.
We're able to enjoy each other. We're able to get
away and get off the grid, you know, frequently, And
so I think we're blessed that we don't have the
burden of proof to the entire scientific community that we
have put on our shoulders.
Speaker 1 (59:01):
Okay, So we are coming up on an hour, and
I want to be respectful of your time. But also
if you have a few moments and you have any
other paranormal ish stories or experiences you want to share,
I'd be open to hearing those.
Speaker 2 (59:19):
Well, go with that. I've got a question to ask you, So, okay, okay.
Speaker 3 (59:25):
I we were talking about my apartment in Los Angeles.
I lived in a building that was built in nineteen
fifty two. The gentleman who owned it passed away sometime
in the seventies.
Speaker 2 (59:39):
Ely.
Speaker 3 (59:40):
I had an apartment and I lived on the second floor,
on an end unit that had carpeting, And so I
had bought, not bought, I had downloaded a sleep app
on my phone because I was wondering if I was
not sleeping, well, snoring whatever. I just wanted to try
it out, and so I turned it on, set it
(01:00:03):
on the bedside, and the next morning I'm listening to
it and it sounds like someone with hard soul shoes
is walking across a hardwood floor towards me. Sounds like
it's from a distance and it's getting louder, and it's
like it walked right up to the bed. That happened twice.
(01:00:29):
One time was a little more easy to hear than
the other. Also, I would hear weird metallic grinding sounds
like that. I would hear snapping sounds. And right before
I moved back to Atlanta. Actually I believe this might
(01:00:50):
have been in my mind or in my dreams or whatever,
but it felt like somebody tapped me on the shoulder
one morning so hard that it woke me up, and
it freaked me out. Actually, I was like, what is
going on? So I was I was relaying these things
that happened to the maintenance guy, a guy named Eric
(01:01:12):
who lived in the building downstairs, and he got this
big grin on his face, and I said, what do
you what do you what do you smile about? And
he said Elizabeth, who was the former landlord who lived
in my unit. He said she used to have things
happen all the time. And I was like, well, yeah,
you guys could have told me that before. Maybe I
(01:01:32):
would have stayed in my studio bar, but down the
stairs where nothing goes on, and as we mentioned, you know,
we grew up in a small town where we had
a couple of friends who had haunted houses and supposedly
haunted houses. But these were church going people who had
no reason to make up stories. As a matter of fact,
they wouldn't really talk about it because it's just not
(01:01:55):
something you talk about, you know. So one story I
remember my parents were telling me about it that they
said that the lady who lived in the house, she
heard someone going you who, you know, like we're here,
and she was at home by herself, and then she
went around to see who the visitor was and and
(01:02:17):
nobody was there. That was the Jordan's by the way. Okay, yeah,
so that's pretty much all I've got on my side
of it. I think he did some of the whaki
board once or something.
Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
Well, So the a story that my parents told me,
and they weren't, you know, my my dad was a
pretty straight up guy. He didn't you know, he didn't
broke a lot of nonsense. But one of his friends
(01:02:53):
lived in a historical home, you know, and was having
a dinner party, and you know, as you did in
the you know set, late seventies, early eighties, they were
having dinner, and of course they had you know, not
not Spotify, but they had like a record player, right,
(01:03:14):
so they were playing music, music, you know, on this
piece of vinyl that's about what you know, ten inches wide,
you know, sends around that kind of thing. And uh
and and uh. The owner of the house about midway
through dinner kind of looks at his wife and gets
white as a sheet, and they realized that the album
(01:03:36):
had turned.
Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
Over on its own.
Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
It was playing side B and no one had gotten out.
Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
That's a very helpful ghost.
Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
Right, I just did not want all right. So, so
speaking of ghosts, Mickey, I'm into your book, right, please
don't call me psychic. And as I was reading the
first part of that and about the things that happened
to you when you were a child, right, so, how
(01:04:12):
did you process that as a child, experiencing that and
not only not getting any support from adults who you
would presume to be able to help you, but also
not even being being believed by any adults. How do
you remember thinking through that?
Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
I just I don't even know. I wasn't expecting that question. Now,
I I was told it was my imagination.
Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
I'm the one asking questions here.
Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
Yes, wait, who's the way whose podcast is this? It
was a good question, though, No. I was told it
was my imagination, and in the moments that I doubted
myself and believe that it was my imagination and made
me afraid of my imagination. And I mean, to be fair,
(01:05:14):
I have a vivid imagination. I am a writer. I
write fiction. That book is not fiction, but I do
write fiction. So when enough people tell you it's just
your imagination, it does two things. It makes you afraid
of what your own mind can do potentially, and it
keeps you off drugs. So like I had friends who
(01:05:38):
talked about having bad trips, and there was no way
I was going to let my imagination scare me any
more than it already did.
Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
Thought about that.
Speaker 1 (01:05:48):
So, yeah, never never done anything that I shouldn't have.
But then when I lived in the scary house and
the family started experiencing.
Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
That's the best. When she moved to yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 8 (01:06:17):
That's good.
Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
Yeah, when the rest of the family started having experiences
in that house. And at that point, I was sixteen,
sixteen when we moved in seventeen when we moved out,
because we just lived there for a year. Then the
story started coming out that like one of the houses
that I had some experiences in as a kid, and
I had like recurring nightmares and stuff in My brother,
(01:06:43):
who's two years younger than me, who was in a crib,
would wake up, I think he was a toddler at
the time, would wake up and screaming that there was
a man in his room, a little man in his room.
Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
You know.
Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
So I wasn't the only one who had experienced as
a child, but they just compartmentalized and.
Speaker 3 (01:07:06):
All that.
Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
But yeah, and the thing is, you know, my brother
doesn't remember that. He remembers being told that it happened
later when we were teenagers and having these conversations about
the scary house, but he didn't, thankfully for him, because
I would hate for him to remember being terrified of
a little man in his room. But yeah, I remember
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all of it.
Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
Man, I'm sorry you had to go through.
Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
That, but it made me who I am. So I'm
one of those people. I'm eternal optimist, annoying optimists to
some people. But you know, I, once I learned how
to process what's going on, put my psychic walls up
so I can block it out when I need to,
and all of that. Now I'm at a point where
I can help other people, so I going through it
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was scary at the time, but it event actually led
to me doing cool things like going to Monsterfest and
meeting you.
Speaker 3 (01:08:05):
So yeah, yeah, Oh, by the way, you're my first podcast,
so thank you for that.
Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
Well, thank you for coming on. You sounded like a
pro the whole time.
Speaker 3 (01:08:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
No, I appreciate both of you coming on and spending
your evening with me, and I'm especially sharing your stories,
sharing these clips and the image of the glyph and
giving me a chance to share it with all of
my listeners and maybe, like I said, we'll get some
clues as to what it is you're finding out there.
Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
We'd love that. Thank you for having us. We appreciate it.
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (01:09:17):
Schools H.
Speaker 6 (01:09:32):
Two.
Speaker 10 (01:10:00):
It's just.
Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
Because.
Speaker 1 (01:11:32):
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Si
Bigfoot sightings have been reported in every US state except Hawaii.
On this episode, you'll meet two field researchers who are
looking for sasquatch in North Georgia. Keep listening to hear
audio clips and stories from their expeditions. Welcome to the
(00:47):
Peak Podcast. I'm your host, Nicole Moarrock, and I'm grateful
you're here. The two big ideas behind the Peak Podcast
are to show that the paranormal is more normal than
most people think, and to connect the science to the SI,
including esp psychokinesis, and intuition. And occasionally we dive into cryptozoology,
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which is a fun aspect of the paranormal that requires
serious investigators to venture into the great outdoors. Before we
jump into this episode's interview, I want to let you
know that the ebook version of My House of Horrors,
a Paranormal Choose your Own Adventure Story is available now
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for free. This is the presentation that I did for
the Wake County Public Libraries Haunted Carolina program this year.
It's available in EPUB and PDF formats, so anyone should
be able to work through its many fun plot lines.
The download link is in the show notes and on
the front page of my personal website, Nicolemarrock dot com.
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Now back to this episode's interview. Our two guests, Scott
and Paul, would like to remain anonymous, so beyond their
first names and their state, we're keeping their identities on
the down low. These two friends have been searching the
woods of North Georgia for evidence of Bigfoot and along
the way they found some interesting visuals and captured audio
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in addition to getting to spend time in nature. I'm
so grateful they are joining us to share their experiences.
Let's dive in with Paul and Scott. Good evening, Paul
and Scott, thank you for joining me tonight. How are
y'all doing?
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Great?
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Awesome, Really excited to have you on to talk about
bigfoot research. And we are keeping this as anonymous as
you would like, so you don't have to give away
exact names of towns or anything like that. But I
do want to ask each of you, and you can
raise your hand as far as who's going first. I'm
(02:56):
not gonna call anyone out, but what first got you
start hearted and to bigfoot research?
Speaker 2 (03:05):
I'll take that. So. I don't remember when it was,
but I remember when I was a wee lad seeing
the Patterson Gimlin Field right, and I was when I say,
we lad that would have been the early seventies. And
I was just transfixed by that. And Scott said that
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we grew up in a small town. We had a
library close by, was within walking distance of my house,
and I would just walk up to the library check
out every book on whether it's Likeness Monster or Sasquatch
or whatever, and just take it home and devour those books.
And then as I got older, Scott and I met
(03:50):
when we were in high school, and we would watch
the old you know, at eleven thirty twelve o'clock at night,
we would watch the Little Nie Boy series in search
off right, and that was always creepy and fun, and
we you know, enjoyed that. Fast forward, you know, because
I didn't really think anything about that. Fast forward to
(04:12):
twenty seventeen. Scott had moved to the West Coast for
a couple of decades, had moved back. We started doing
some camping, and you know, at one point I wake
up from a nap and Scott is across the river
and just kind of walking around and he comes back over.
I said, dude, what are you doing? He goes well,
(04:34):
I've been watching these YouTube videos and these guys go
out looking for Bigfoot and they find tree bends and
things like that, and that's what I was looking for.
And I said, oh, okay, I'm game. So so we
started continuing to camp, and we decided we're going to
start looking for different interesting things in the woods, right,
(04:57):
And we were actually successful found some interesting things. But
I remember September of two thousand and eighteen, we were
near the Jack's River in northwest Georgia and we heard
our first very distinct Treenck and both of us heard
(05:19):
on several mornings, very distinct whoops and callbacks. And we
didn't have a recorder. I mean, we weren't doing any
of that. And I remember thinking, I'm going to go
figure out what kind of bird that is, because that
doesn't sound like any kind of bird up I've ever heard.
I went home all weekend and was doing you know,
(05:40):
I went through every bird I could on YouTube, on
the Cornell website, on the Cornell database, couldn't find it.
And then I stumbled upon YouTube the Cincinnati Zoo and
they had primates there. They had the gibbons and the
Gibvens were whooping and I said, that's what I heard,
(06:00):
and I got chill bumps. I mean, I'm listening, I'm
looking at this saying, oh my gosh, what I heard
sounds just like a monkey. And I told my wife,
I said, it's on. And so since then it has
truly been on. Scott and I we've been partners in
(06:22):
this and acquiring equipment and going out and trying to
trying to find out for ourselves what might be out there.
So does that help answer your question?
Speaker 1 (06:32):
It does. Now Scott has a follow up question, since
you're the one who got Paul into this, what made right?
I was trying to say it without saying it, But
you know what sparked your interest? Was it the TV shows?
Or do you go all the way back to the
Patterson Giblin film too.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
I go back to the Patterson Give Them a film
in the sense that when I was about six years old,
I went to a movie theater with a friend of
mine and his older sister who was able to drive.
And this movie was a documentary, and I believe, if
I'm not mistaken, it was called Myths, Mysteries and Monsters,
(07:14):
narrated by Peter Graves. If you're familiar with him and
terrified me. I mean just terrified me. So that was
the first introduction to big quote our sasquatch at the
time kind of lost interest, you know, until later when
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Bud and I met when we were fifteen. I was
fifteen and he was sixty emply and we started watching
the in Search of I was actually fifteen or fourteen.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Fifteen or fourteen.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Yeah, it was a long time ago, land far away.
So as he said, you know, we went camping, and
what he did not mention is we went up the
hill and we found our first tree bind that was
tucked under another log on the side of the hill,
(08:09):
which couldn't possibly have been fallen, had fallen that way
due to the size of the tree bend and the
log that it was under, because it was pretty much rotten,
had been there for a while. And also another thing
that is very familiar with Bigfoot is a smell, a
(08:31):
very nasty smell, And that day we smelled something at
the same time, and he about freaked out.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Yeah, it's the closest thing I've ever had in my
life to a panic attack. On the side of the skill,
and we had seen we found some artifacts or some
very interesting things and then that odor, and I was
ready to get off that hill. Yeah, I'll be honest
(08:59):
with you, raid to roll, But that's the interesting We
just started the ball from the gap.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Okay, So a little more about the smell. Was it
the skuncape smell like just raunchy trash and I don't
know that's the skunky smell?
Speaker 2 (09:18):
So as best I remember, it was, you know, it
smelled like a musty skunk. That's what I remember. It
didn't smell like garbage or anything like that. But so
I'm not saying that that what we detected was, you know,
at eight hunderd pound cryptid. But I was already locked
(09:41):
in on that being a possibility. So when that came
came through on the radar, I'm gone. If anything, we're debunkers.
We tried to bump anything and everything, whether to smell
or break or stick figure, glyph anything we don't automate.
Definitely jumped to Oh that's definitely a big flick. Never
(10:03):
a matter of fact, we go the opposite direction. But yeah,
that was our first experience and we've been going at
it since then.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
I do not blame you, and I like that you
tried to debunk. That's one of the keys to a
good investigation of any sort is to try to find
those Monday and explanations before you jump to a more
paranormal conclusion. So that's very good speaking of glyphs, because Paul,
you did just mention it. Tell me about the glyphs,
(10:33):
When did you first find them, how many have you found?
Whatever else do you want to talk about.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
So this would have been back in maybe twenty nineteen, Yeah,
twenty nineteen or so, and we were in the We
were in one of our research areas, which is in
the northeast corner of Georgia, and we were, as always
we hike off trail, we go bushwhacking, and we were
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going across, you know, a plateau type area and we
were separated maybe by what fifty yards or so. It
wasn't too far. It wasn't too far because you know,
we break up because we want to be able to
cover more area in that fashion. And Scott had seen
something and he yelled for me. I said, okay, hold on,
(11:30):
So I made a bee line to where he was
and I just happened to look down at one point
about halfway there, and I see this six inch and
and I believe that I sent you the image of
that nikki, a six inch square you know, on the
ground made out of branches with it looks, you know,
(11:52):
with an X in the middle, and it's almost like
a star kind of pattern in it as well. And
we said, wow, that's interesting. It sure didn't fall like that,
and so and so we you know, actually that day
we started just paying attention as we went through the woods,
and in that day we stumbled upon several more wow
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and varying sizes and varying I don't want to say shapes.
All of them, you know, have been squares with x's
in the middle. But maybe you can go into more
about the different sizes as well as the scope of
geography that we have stumbled upon those. Yeah, the first
one was.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
About six bus six as Bud mentioned, but it had
multiple sticks.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
For the X. And then we as we were wandering.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Around, we started seeing other xes, most of them in
the one and a half two foot diameter range, and
one time we even found one that was four by
four that had another X within the left lower quadrant.
But the interesting thing about this is we found these
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xes not only on that mountain, but another mountain range
across the highway from where we had entered, and we
figured it up to be within a ten mile radius.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
There were thirty two. There were thirty three within a
ten by ten era ten mile by ten mile area,
massive amount of the area.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Yeah, and not only were they off the grid, sometimes
they were on sides of hills, which made no sense.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
We even dug one of them up, you know, to
see if there was anything underneath, you know, anything. We
were just trying to come up with any answer, and
we did. I think we found one on a fire road.
That was the closest one we found to any civilization,
so to speak. The rest of them, as far as
I remember, we're way off where nobody would be tricking,
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No no trails or anything.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
So so the the interesting thing about that is, you know, obviously,
you know, we started doing as much research as we could.
We take a look at you know, scouting symbols, hiking symbols,
camping symbols. Came up empty. I've done uh, you know,
(14:28):
Chad GPT, you know, put that imagine there. It doesn't
come up with anything other than you know, branches laying
in the woods.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
You know, I've had uh, you know, friends say it
might be some sort of Indian thing. It might be
you know whatever. We you know, every time we we
we have found these, we've done a search for trail camps. Yeah,
it might be some sort of drug kind of situation
or what. But we've never found any trail camps other
(15:03):
than our own, uh in those areas. And but something
that's interesting, and I believe Scott you you had sent
this to me where Scott had anonymously, it makes it
and I think I've got this right had gone on
you know, a Facebook page, and if you're really serious
about bigfoot or sosquatch, you never on Facebook on a
(15:27):
Facebook group and posted an image right on these Facebook
groups and said and anonysmally asked and didn't say where
it was, didn't say where we found these? Basically said,
has anybody found one of these? And a lady posted,
you know an answer, do you remember what what you
(15:49):
told me? I do not actually apologize? No, no, that's fine,
so you so he screenshot the answer and it came
back and this lady said, you know, back when I
was a kid, like thirty years ago, right, we found
something like this, and she named the area and it
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was the exact same area that we have found ours.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Oh wow.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
She named the road. She named the exact road that
bisects the area that we find these in. And this
was three decades ago, right by the way. We had
pulled off to the side of the road.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
At one point too, we had a signal at one
area and we were in a different area from where
we found.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Those, particularly goofts.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
But we were checking our phones and check an email,
and a park ranger pulled it behind us and checked
see if we were okay, if there was any trouble,
and so at that point I took the opportunity and
I just said, hey, have you you know you're a
park ranger. Have you ever seen anything like this? And
he said, I've never seen anything like this, And he said,
(17:00):
do you mind texting me this picture?
Speaker 2 (17:02):
I'm gonna ask around.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
So we I sent him the text of the glyph
and it was a foot by a foot, that particular picture,
and he texted his back, He texts texted us. He
sent a text back later and he said he showed
it to all his guys down at the ranger station
and they nobody had a clue. And he just laughed
(17:24):
and said it's probably big for it, like, well, I
don't know about that, but they had no clue in their.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Park rangers, so they had never seen it before. So
the final epilogue on that is when we were at
Small Town Monsters, uh Monsterfest, I talked to somebody and uh,
he said, you know, I think, uh, I think I
think I've seen something like that on Joe and Jesse's
(17:52):
YouTube channel. Yeah. So I'm not going to go into
the name of their their group, but Joe and Jesse
promin sasquatch researchers, and so I went back and found
that they had actually been in the part of Georgia
that we were in, and sure enough they saw one
of those and they had no clue what it was.
(18:13):
And so yeah, it's on one of their videos. I
sent it to you. So the mystery remains. So when
you figure it out, Nikki, please very.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
I will share the image that you shared with me
when I post the link and the announcement for this episode,
and maybe somebody will recognize it or have some sort
of a clue that they could give us to lead
us into the right direction. Like it's the whole thirty
(18:51):
years ago thing is interesting because you're not going to
you know, while you're out there right now, you're not
finding thirty year old glyphs.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
Those would be.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Long gone, right, So this has been happening for at
least thirty years in that area.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
The O reason one we found was messed up. When
we went back six months later, it was messed up.
So you're right, they're not very long.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
No, that's just amazing.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Yeah, that's pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yeah, and you know we can't directly link it to Bigfoot,
but you're out there looking for Bigfoot and you find
this other mystery.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Well, we'll think about this. In this part of our
research area, we are not looking for glyphs. We've right
upon them, and we write upon thirty three, Which makes
you wonder, if we've just stumbled upon thirty three, how
many are out there that are just out there that
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we've never that we just didn't stumble upon because we
weren't we weren't looking, we weren't scouring for.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Them, right, And I had a thought, well, we're telling
the story and I can't remember it, so if it
comes back to me, come back to it. In the meantime.
Moving forward, what are your research methods when you are
out there like.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Well, this guy loves to spend money.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
So about every month or so, I'll get an email, Dude,
I just got this new recorder and so he's got
how many recorders you have now?
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Three? Three?
Speaker 3 (20:35):
And one of them is well, they're all very nice,
but one of them we always plant deep in the
woods and has SD card, So we use recorders deep
in the woods. We use recorders. Whenever we part the
truck and go into the woods. We live a recorder
and we have a recorder that runs all night at
the campsite, which is good because when we're telling our
(21:00):
worries about what's going on, we have audio proof that
we're not just drunk.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
So not just drunk.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
And I've actually had a couple of trail camps that
I've put out. A couple of them have been absconded
by bears, are chewed up, and uh, I got tired
of losing them. So I usually keep the trail camp
within the campsite, and you know, I can't keep losing them.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
What else we use? Yeah, I mean, I mean normally
what we do is we'll take a look in there
we want to go in. Uh, We'll we have bay
areas for our basic base camp, which where we'll we'll
come in and we'll you know, decide we're going to
set up there, and then the next several trips we'll
look at topo maps, take a look at at terrain,
(21:48):
take a look, you know, where where creeks or rivers
come together, maybe in a valley. Sometimes we just get lucky,
right and just buying places that and just stumble up
on places. You look around as like, wow, this is
if I was a big Foot, I want to live here.
And we just kind of stay there for a little bit.
But we use topo maps, we do the auto recordings,
(22:10):
we do trail cams, a lot of you know, hiking.
We're not really trying to you know, see a cryptid. Really,
what we're trying to do is find evidence. You know,
whether it's whether it's you know, artifacts, whether they're twists,
their brakes. I'm not sure you know what to think
(22:31):
about all that, but but we have found them. You know,
they are, They do exist. Now I don't know where
they're from or where to attribute them to. But so
we look for those and you know, ideally we make
enough noise that something might follow us back to our campsite.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Yeah, and speaking of that, you you have heard a
sound in your campsite at night, is that right?
Speaker 2 (23:01):
So yeah, we've heard, we've heard, we've heard rocks being
thrown into our We've heard rocks which what we interpret
is rocks painting in our campsite. We've heard, we've had
footfalls within our campsite. We've had vocals just outside of
(23:21):
the campsite. But you know, and I think one of
the clips I sent you, we had a tree break
or a tree knock just outside of our campsite. Literally
I call it the fifty foot knock. And so that
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was somewhat unearthly.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
It was loud, and it was no doubt or it
wasn't a tree falling, limb breaking. It was like somebody
took a baseball bat and hit side of the tree.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
We didn't hear any.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Activity all night while we were sitting by the fire.
We almost never have radio going or any extra sound,
occasionally lost to the Braves game or something, but usually
it's just quiet. And we didn't get any activity until
we get into the tent, and we were in the
tent maybe two minutes.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
And so it occurs to me, Nikki, what you're referring
to about stuff in the camp. So it's got not
our last camping trip, but the trip before. We had
had one of the handhelds sitting on the truck and
we had it. It sounded like someone had lobbed a
(24:40):
rock and had hit the table or there was a
metallic clientk remember that. It was a very loud impact.
So there's so much stuff we have that we forget
these things.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
I understand it, and I afforded.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
I had forwarded that to Nicki and and some of
her friends to get their feedback. And I said, this
was in our camp at like six point thirty this morning.
And I bet that's what you were referring.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
That is, yeah, that is I had that insider information.
I wasn't sure if I should give it away.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Oh no, that's absolutely fine. And and that that was
quite bizarre. I mean, you heard it, right, I did.
I did, And it was loud and it was metallic
and who knows what that was, and it was but
it was unnerving. We we actually heard it when it happened,
(25:32):
and going back, you know, and actually when I say
we heard it, I heard it because I was awake
in the tent. Scott was still asleep and I had
to go back and you know, pull the time stamp
and see and I went to that point in time,
and yeah, that was a loud artifact.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
I've forgotten about it. Sometimes I'm person of all. I
am terrible sleeping in camp. I just I have to
use noise canceling headphone sometimes. But if I want to
hear something, why would.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
You do that? Again? If an eight hundred pounds really
Tom and D is sneaking up the hill, what do
you do? You want to hear everything?
Speaker 6 (26:15):
Will?
Speaker 1 (26:15):
I would? But I also sleep with white noise machine
at home and in hotels, so I could. I could
see needing one out in the list.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
When I do hear something, I will audibly say out
loud it's one am tree knock. I'll just as a
que for us to go back and hear it later.
But that particular night, speaking of the fifty foot knock,
that particular night, we.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Finally call it the Night of Terror, or or not
so finally.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Yeah, but there were tree knocks and h stuff going
on all night. That one was the closest. There were
others going on different locations, multiple knocks at once that night, Meda,
I came home. I live in a high rise in Atlanta.
Totally safe. And I remember hearing a knock while I
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was at home and it's like PTSD.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
I was like, what it was it. I'm like, I'm
in my I'm in my place, eleven, Florisa. Everything's fine.
Speaker 7 (27:17):
Yeah, yeah, but any way, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
I feel like I interrupted you. No, no, you're You're good. Continue.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
But so we we've heard knocks just about just about
every trip we've done. The last few have been kind
of slow. However, not this past time. At the time
before when we went to plant the recorder in a
new location in the middle of the day, we had
a good knock. Happened as he was putting it on
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the tree. We had just stopped and he was he
does the putting up of the tray and I do
sitting there watching drinking the water, and we heard it
off about one hundred yards are wearing it. Yes, it
takes a village.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
I like how he could drink the water, you could
see the work right.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Hurry, dude, it's always he knows his place right, you know.
It's funny.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
We've done this so many times and we've known each
other for forty years, so we pretty much can finish
each other since. But we've done this so many times
that when we do set up camp, we don't even
have to say anything. We both have a set thing
that we do. While he's doing one thing, I'm doing
something else, and we just knock it out, which is
good because when you take you know, when he takes
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his family, he's going to tell everybody what to.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Do, I guess. But it's a it's a fun time.
We have a great time.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Yeah, And I could see the appeal even if you
didn't have something like a night of terror, the appeal
to just be able to go out and spend the
night in the woods and get away from society.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Yeah. Absolutely, all right.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
So you shared with me several audio clips, and I
don't know, do you want me to play these in
order and we talk about them, or do you want
to skip around?
Speaker 2 (29:12):
So I think maybe I can. I can give some
context around the clip before you play it, and then
we can do any sort of discussion that you want.
So I named him when I sent them to you,
So we'll look at peep one. Okay, that was done
(29:34):
August thirteenth of this year. This was about four thirty
in the morning. This was the morning after the install
that Scott just mentioned where we were doing the install,
and there was a tree knock while we were doing
the install, very close by. It wasn't very intimidating, but
it was definitely there. So this is is uh, but
(30:01):
what you're going to discover is that while we heard
a tree knock, the clip we're about to listen to
is not a tree knock. And once we listen to it,
and if you want to play it a couple of
times for your audience, some more commentary around it.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Once you get done, Okay, let me set up and sure,
all right, here we go, just kidding, gout of rewind it.
Here we go. Okay, that was play one. This is
(30:44):
playing it again.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Okay, So that's a clear vocal, and Scott and I
kind of go back and forth. We did disagree a
little bit, Scott. Scott's of the mind that that's one
one long whoop on the spectrogram. It looks to me
like that's actually two animals, which is really neither here
(31:12):
nor there. The really interesting part about this particular vocal
is we were listening to it, you know, over and
over and over, and both of us realized it sounded
familiar and we went and pulled audio from July of
twenty twenty. So this the the auto we just listened
(31:33):
to was in north central Georgia. Have you ever heard
of Matt Pruitt. He's a yes searcher. So it's kind
of from his old stomping grounds where we pulled the
auto we just listened to. That's where that came from.
We had audio in July of twenty twenty, and it
(31:55):
was we had the same vocal from about one hundred
miles away in the northeast part of Georgia. And that
that audio was actually reviewed by Jim Sherman out of
Michigan as well as Manongahela who Jim Sherman I don't know.
I don't know him, but Jim did and he and
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so so we have two matching vocals one hundred miles
apart and four years apart, which I think is very compelling.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
It is I'm going to play that one one more
time just so the listeners, can, you know, make sure
they're a sound is turned up? Okay. I think that's
a really cool capture. And yeah, it doesn't sound like
(32:51):
any animal that I know.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Yeah, And so you know a number of people at
small town monsterfest, you know, including you know Mike Ann
who gave me so much of his time it was unbelievable.
You know, turned us onto the different Animal identify our
apps and things like that, and we've you know, the
(33:15):
vocals that you hear, We've run through those apps and
it comes back and says, yeah, we don't know what
you're talking about. There's there's not an animal.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
It doesn't exist. Your recorder hallucinated exactly.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
So Pete so Pete too. Is is a very interesting
I deal. This was August seventeenth of twenty twenty three,
and we had done an install on a on a
tree and I realized the morning after that I had
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forgotten to put a security bar across it. It's a
fairly expensive recorder. I wanted to go pull it off
so that a bear wouldn't take it off. We went
to the Serve road the service roader was was blocked off.
We knew that it was about a half hour hike in.
Scott had had some leg trouble from the day before
(34:08):
it He's I said, dude, I'll just walk in and
get this recorder and walk back out. I'll pack light.
I'm not even gonna take a pack. He goes, dude,
take a gun. I was like, I don't need to
take my gun. Let's just say I'm glad I did.
So when I the recording you're about to hear is
(34:29):
is I'm approaching. Okay, the recorder is running, and the
the recorder is a is a wildlife acoustic song mining. Okay,
so we you know it's uh, it's it's a pretty
pretty good piece of equipment. And what you're about to
(34:50):
hear they're gonna be percussions on trees. But these occurred
about forty five seconds before you start hearing me approaching.
So I was roughly, I want to say, thirty yards
from the recorder when these percussions occurred. Okay, and so
(35:17):
on the on the longer recording, you can actually hear
me talking to Scott on the walkie talkie as I'm
coming in, but that is just after these knocks. So
you can go ahead and play peep two.
Speaker 8 (35:31):
Okay, Yeah, that was definitely two knocks.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
So you you heard these as you were approaching the recorder.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
I did not hear those. I didn't hear, and I
go back and think, why didn't you hear that? Well?
Number one is you're walking. Number two, squirrels were going nuts,
okay that in that deal. And number three, you're not
(36:26):
expecting to hear anything. I mean, at least I wouldn't.
It's nine thirty in the morning, right, what could what
could happen? So No, I did not hear those. It
wasn't until I got back and said, huh, I wonder
what was on that recorder when I walked in. When
I was walking in, and I pulled that clip and
I sent it to Scott and said, I'm a little
(36:47):
freaked out right now because I did the math and
I knew where I was when those occurred.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
So it was, you know, yards away now that same
install location, when we don't know if it was before
or after this particular date we were doing this, and
all that day we were we were setting up the
camera camera, we were setting up the recorder on the tree,
and we heard a loud knock again as we were
setting up on the tree across the creek and up
(37:17):
the hill from where we were. I don't remember if
that occurred before after this date, it was the day
before because.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
That was the first install we all been in Bluff Creek. Yeah,
so so we've heard stuff there before. Actually we had
I don't want to go off on a tangent, but
we had some crashing sounds of footsteps running up to
that recorder one night and like a heavy breathing sound
(37:46):
almost or a heavy breath, I should say, a heavy
breathing sound. And I had my trail cam actually on
a tree, and it sounds like whatever rushed up was
standing beside the recorder.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
It was it seemed it was that close. Didn't catch
anything on the trail camp nothing I did, will nothing
from that moment. I did, however, get video of a
little tiny mouse running up the tree, so I know
the camp was working.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Anyway. I kind of sidetracked with that. Sorry about that.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
That location we nickname it Bluff Creek one.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
Now that that actually makes me think about the stories
that you hear on some of the other podcasts where
people say that, you know, they heard the big foot
walk up to them while they were sitting in a
deer blind, but when they got the courage up to
you know, look and see where if it was just
standing there like they thought it was, they saw nothing.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Well, I mean, you've experienced that the tid when you've
heard bipedal steps walk right through the tit. Yeah, and
you've hopped up up immediately put the you know, the
flash light, put the flashlight out, and there's there's nothing there.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
And that's not from a drowsy dream state or asleep.
I was wide awake, So there's no you know, mistaking
that I heard something. But as but said, I looked,
didn't see a thing anywhere.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
So wow, I'm going to play this one more time
and then we can move on to the next one. Yeah,
(39:56):
it definitely sounds like it's coming from two different places,
like one is the first one sounds much closer than
the other one.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
You know, you so, who knows really what it is.
My hypothesis is is there was a human coming in
and whatever it was was using percussions on trees to
warm of oncoming danger. So that's that's just the way
that I think about it.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
But at the end of the day, who really knows, right,
And you're not the first person I've heard say that
that's probably what they're using wood knocking for. And I've
even heard somebody say that they they were out in
the woods with several people and there were like the
number of knocks corresponded to the number of people. It
(40:41):
was almost like they were saying, there are five people
coming your way.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Yes, it is interesting.
Speaker 8 (40:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
So the next clip is Peak three, and just a
little while ago we talked about, you know, the fifty
foot knock, and this what you're about to play on
Peak three is in fact the fifty foot NX. So
some context. You know, when we are out at night,
one of the things we you know a lot of
(41:10):
researchers like to go hiking at night, which is great,
more power to them. Our approach is a sitting camp
and make a lot of noise and hopefully draw something in. Well.
Apparently we were successful, unfortunately. So the context of this
clip is it's about midnight. When we retired to our tent.
(41:34):
We hadn't heard anything all night, nothing had happened. We
get in our tent and within three minutes we hear
a percussion, which is a clear percussion. The clip you're
about to hear does not do it justice at all.
It was loud, it reverbated, there was an echo, and
(41:56):
I think the best part about this clip, if you
can get it loud enough, is toward the end of
you hear the percussion, then you hear Scott and I
talking about what we just heard in the tent. So anyway,
so this was the night of terror, but this was
this was the start.
Speaker 5 (42:15):
Ah, yeah, that was that was interesting.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
I have stereo headphones on and it was like in
my left ear, just my left ear.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
So so it so our our recorder records in stereo, right,
So that allows us to be able to determine where
the noises are coming from. Where that came from. There's
a very steep drop off from that side of the
camp area. So yeah, it's not so the chances of
(43:10):
a number one, a human being down there at twelve
o'clock at night just trying to scare us when we're
in the middle of the woods and you can hear
a vehicle approaching from long from miles away, you know,
you know how it is an old country road. Oh,
the idea that that was a human doing that is
(43:33):
that just doesn't ring true.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
To me, makes sense. I'll play it one more time.
Speaker 4 (43:39):
Okay, it's not a lot more impressive.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
Yeah I can. I can imagine. I mean, you're hearing
just the crickets and then all of a sudden.
Speaker 7 (44:07):
Bang, wood on wood sounds what it sounds like. It
sounds very woody. We've had some sounds a little more
tenny or I don't know, not as not as much
wood on wood but it was quite loud for sure.
Did you want to play that one more time before
(44:27):
we went to the next one?
Speaker 2 (44:28):
Or are we good?
Speaker 1 (44:30):
We're good on this. I think what I'm going to
do is when I'm when I'm editing it, I'll actually
put all four of these clips therefore right, Yeah, I'll
put all four of these clips at the end of
the interview, so people can I can I can boost
them a little bit more. Yeah, we can hear them
(44:52):
one more time before the show's over.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
So the last one is is Peak five. This was
October third of twenty twenty three. This is one of
my favorite clips. This happened about eleven thirty at night.
This particular clip has been sent to a lot of
quote unquote experts because we couldn't figure out what it was.
I've compared it to not every bird, but most indigenous
(45:21):
birds in the Cornell database. Run it through a burdnet,
run it through Merlin. I've sent it to other quote
unquote experts hadn't got anything back. It's been sent to
an ornithologist as well. Hadn't got anything back on that yet.
So this is a longer clip because because on PEP
(45:42):
five there's a lot going on, So enjoy.
Speaker 6 (45:45):
It all right, Okay, there was definitely a lot going on,
(47:50):
but I agree.
Speaker 1 (47:52):
Okay, So I heard woodnocks.
Speaker 2 (47:56):
I did too, by the way.
Speaker 1 (47:57):
Yeah, that's good. I wasn't hallucinating. And what time of
night was this?
Speaker 2 (48:05):
Was that eleven thirty pm?
Speaker 1 (48:07):
Okay? So was I hearing birds or was there something
else going on that as far as you think.
Speaker 2 (48:17):
So what, uh what I hear? It's not identified as
a bird anywhere. Okay, I've been Uh one person said
there's no way that that's a bird, it's too breathy
or a bird, and another individual who heard it said
it sounded like a bird with lists.
Speaker 1 (48:39):
Yep, I've heard that phrase several times.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
So my ex girlfriend that other thing.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
Okay, so it was just spot.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
There you go, mystery saw the bunch. So yeah, so
this has been listened to by by multiple people and
the no one's been able to identify what what kind
of animal that might be.
Speaker 1 (49:11):
Yeah, that's really interesting. In in the just for the
sake of time, I'm not going to replay that one
until like I said, I'll edit in later.
Speaker 2 (49:21):
That's a minute clip.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
Yeah, but definitely interesting. Okay, So there was one other
sound that we don't have a clip for, but we
we talked about a little bit before we got started
with the interview, and that's the that car door in
the woods sound that some people have described.
Speaker 2 (49:41):
Yeah. So, so we have in multiple locations, uh, recorded
sounds out in the middle of the National Forest that
when you replay it, it sounds like I've always turned
it a car unk shutting And you know, I sent
(50:04):
you a clip. It really didn't translate well that for
us to listen to, but it's definitely just a wump
sound in the middle of the woods. We've we've gotten
it in multiple locations and I really didn't think anything
about it. Well I did. I'm just like, well, that's cool.
But it wasn't until I was watching some of the
(50:24):
stuff from the Olympic Project and both Shane court Is,
either Shane Corson or Chris Spencer made reference to getting
these kind of sounds according to things like that. I said,
holy cow, I want to say. I want to say
that the that the n A W a C has
(50:44):
has captured similar sounds as well, but I'm going off
memory right here. I can be wrong about that. So yeah,
that's very interesting, and I think it's it's pretty cool
that we've captured sounds that other people have captured in
different parts of the country that just don't have good
except nations.
Speaker 1 (51:01):
Definitely. I've heard so many different potential, kind of out
there explanations for that particular sound, Like some people think, oh, well,
if Bigfoot is interdimensional, this is the sound of the
portal opening, and I laugh. But at the same time,
being the open minded person that I am, I'm also like, well,
(51:23):
that's an interesting hypothesis.
Speaker 3 (51:26):
You know, well, you see, you know that to the
fact that people talk about orbs, they see orbs as
well as Bigfoot at the same time, a lot We've
never seen an orb at all, although I do keep
an eye out when we're out there, I've never seen it.
But you know, I think anything's up in the air,
anything is possible. You don't know what you don't know, So,
(51:50):
you know, an interesting sound that we did, you know experience.
You know, One point was we were there was a
lot going on this particular that didn't have anything to
do with sounds or or or Harry hominids or anything
like that. But we heard probably it's handed like sixty
(52:11):
or seventy feet from our camp. It sounded like someone
took a refrigerator or an old dishwasher and threw it
out of a tree. And as so I thought it
sounding like refrigerator.
Speaker 2 (52:24):
I immediately turned to Scott and said, what did that
sound like? He said, that sounded like a refrigerator was
thrown out of a tree. So it was a very
distinct sound. We went and looked all over a bit
of a metal sound. It was a metallic boom crunchy sound,
(52:45):
and never could find the.
Speaker 3 (52:47):
Source of that. Yeah, we went looking the next day
in that area that it came from. Yeah, there's nothing
it could possibly then. And it's so frustrating doing this
sometimes because we see this sometimes.
Speaker 2 (53:04):
Yeah, every time.
Speaker 9 (53:06):
We go out, I want to know what I want
to know now, right, But you are coming back with data,
So I mean it's not they're not fruitless nights out.
Speaker 1 (53:18):
Plus, like we said, it's nice to just, you know,
get away from society when you can get some exercise,
fresh air. But you're coming back with data, and I
think it's it's awesome because a lot of people will
go out and not have anything happen and get frustrated
and give up or decide that because nothing happened, bigfoot
(53:38):
doesn't exist. And you can't ump to the conclusion in
either direction, like just because you got data doesn't prove
that it's bigfoot unless you see it in person. And
so here's my question to you is what would you
do if you actually came face to face with a bigfoot?
Speaker 3 (53:58):
How many times have we asked each or that that? Well,
first of all, I started with what would you do
if you heard a solid knock? And then it escalated
and escalated and the question, I don't know. I don't
know what the answer to that would be.
Speaker 1 (54:14):
It's like face to face, yeah, face to face.
Speaker 2 (54:21):
Yeah, who knows. I would like to think that I would,
you know, keep my cool and you know, uh, you know,
observe and you know, enjoy the moment, because that would
be a you know, I mean, people really you know,
get to experience that or have that experience that that's
(54:42):
probably not what's going to happen day or night, makes
a big difference.
Speaker 1 (54:46):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I mean to be fair, nobody
knows unless until it happens. Yeah, it's really it's you
want to think that you'd be brave and calm, cool
and collected, but you also, as Shannon Lagrau would say,
you might need a pair of brown pants.
Speaker 2 (55:05):
You know. And uh, I've come to the realization. But
I've I've said on the fact that if if I
ever do see one, you know, probably it won't be
until after the fact that we deduce that's what we saw,
(55:27):
because most sightings are very fleeting, right, and uh, the
brain tries to put tries to categorize everything we see,
you know, and I know you know us when we
see things or whatnot, we we try to characterize a
debuncket and we have seen things and talked about things
(55:50):
that we come to the conclusion later, well, yeah, actually
that was something. And uh so I suspect if we,
you know, outside of a face to face encounter, which
you know, how many people, how many people actually have
that But if it's just a fleeting account or probably
we we'll talk ourselves out of what we actually just saw.
Speaker 3 (56:12):
I mean, are you going to tell because a lot
of nick we can tell you Nicky wants to hear that.
But you start telling your friends and family, they're gonna,
you know, sitch up with a doctor's appointment. What I
would love to do is if we could see one
at the same time, we can verify, right, you seeing
(56:33):
what am I seeing? Because if one person sees it,
as we've talked about this before, we would both go, well,
I believe you believe that you saw something.
Speaker 2 (56:41):
I would improve anything. So at the same time, adds
a little more legitimacy to it, I suppose.
Speaker 1 (56:48):
Yeah, that's actually one of the rules that my paranormal
investigation team always had was use the buddy system, because
you if there's always somebody with you, then there's more
likely if you haven't experienced both of you are going
to have that experience corroboration, right, yep, yep. So it's
it's a good point. Hopefully, I hope for the best
(57:10):
that the two of you see one at oh, I
don't know, a football field away, far enough away that
you don't have to worry about fearing for your lives,
but close enough that you can tell it's not just
a guy in a gilly suit.
Speaker 2 (57:26):
Well, you know, we we have an advantage. And he
imagines this, and and I was interacting on Facebook with
the aforementioned Matt Prue. This was a few years ago.
By the way, I'm not friends with Matt. He would
not remember this at all, but he was talking about,
you know, what are you going out for? Right? You
(57:48):
have to you have to determine. Are you going out
to experience these things for yourself prove to yourself that
they are are true? Or are you trying to prove
to the world and trying to prove to science that
these are true? Because the burden of proof for one
is a lot higher and heavier than the burn of
proof of the other. So we're fortunate in that we're
(58:11):
doing this for us right and that enjoyment. We are
able to get out of the woods. We're able to
experience some things. We're able to do to the best
of our ability. You know what we've learned from other people,
do scientific inquiry, collect data, compile data. Hopefully what we
do can pass on to the next generation once we're gone,
(58:32):
and ultimately maybe what we do will help solve this
great mystery. But we're able to have fun with it.
We're able to enjoy each other. We're able to get
away and get off the grid, you know, frequently, And
so I think we're blessed that we don't have the
burden of proof to the entire scientific community that we
have put on our shoulders.
Speaker 1 (59:01):
Okay, So we are coming up on an hour, and
I want to be respectful of your time. But also
if you have a few moments and you have any
other paranormal ish stories or experiences you want to share,
I'd be open to hearing those.
Speaker 2 (59:19):
Well, go with that. I've got a question to ask you, So, okay, okay.
Speaker 3 (59:25):
I we were talking about my apartment in Los Angeles.
I lived in a building that was built in nineteen
fifty two. The gentleman who owned it passed away sometime
in the seventies.
Speaker 2 (59:39):
Ely.
Speaker 3 (59:40):
I had an apartment and I lived on the second floor,
on an end unit that had carpeting, And so I
had bought, not bought, I had downloaded a sleep app
on my phone because I was wondering if I was
not sleeping, well, snoring whatever. I just wanted to try
it out, and so I turned it on, set it
(01:00:03):
on the bedside, and the next morning I'm listening to
it and it sounds like someone with hard soul shoes
is walking across a hardwood floor towards me. Sounds like
it's from a distance and it's getting louder, and it's
like it walked right up to the bed. That happened twice.
(01:00:29):
One time was a little more easy to hear than
the other. Also, I would hear weird metallic grinding sounds
like that. I would hear snapping sounds. And right before
I moved back to Atlanta. Actually I believe this might
(01:00:50):
have been in my mind or in my dreams or whatever,
but it felt like somebody tapped me on the shoulder
one morning so hard that it woke me up, and
it freaked me out. Actually, I was like, what is
going on? So I was I was relaying these things
that happened to the maintenance guy, a guy named Eric
(01:01:12):
who lived in the building downstairs, and he got this
big grin on his face, and I said, what do
you what do you what do you smile about? And
he said Elizabeth, who was the former landlord who lived
in my unit. He said she used to have things
happen all the time. And I was like, well, yeah,
you guys could have told me that before. Maybe I
(01:01:32):
would have stayed in my studio bar, but down the
stairs where nothing goes on, and as we mentioned, you know,
we grew up in a small town where we had
a couple of friends who had haunted houses and supposedly
haunted houses. But these were church going people who had
no reason to make up stories. As a matter of fact,
they wouldn't really talk about it because it's just not
(01:01:55):
something you talk about, you know. So one story I
remember my parents were telling me about it that they
said that the lady who lived in the house, she
heard someone going you who, you know, like we're here,
and she was at home by herself, and then she
went around to see who the visitor was and and
(01:02:17):
nobody was there. That was the Jordan's by the way. Okay, yeah,
so that's pretty much all I've got on my side
of it. I think he did some of the whaki
board once or something.
Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
Well, So the a story that my parents told me,
and they weren't, you know, my my dad was a
pretty straight up guy. He didn't you know, he didn't
broke a lot of nonsense. But one of his friends
(01:02:53):
lived in a historical home, you know, and was having
a dinner party, and you know, as you did in
the you know set, late seventies, early eighties, they were
having dinner, and of course they had you know, not
not Spotify, but they had like a record player, right,
(01:03:14):
so they were playing music, music, you know, on this
piece of vinyl that's about what you know, ten inches wide,
you know, sends around that kind of thing. And uh
and and uh. The owner of the house about midway
through dinner kind of looks at his wife and gets
white as a sheet, and they realized that the album
(01:03:36):
had turned.
Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
Over on its own.
Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
It was playing side B and no one had gotten out.
Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
That's a very helpful ghost.
Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
Right, I just did not want all right. So, so
speaking of ghosts, Mickey, I'm into your book, right, please
don't call me psychic. And as I was reading the
first part of that and about the things that happened
to you when you were a child, right, so, how
(01:04:12):
did you process that as a child, experiencing that and
not only not getting any support from adults who you
would presume to be able to help you, but also
not even being being believed by any adults. How do
you remember thinking through that?
Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
I just I don't even know. I wasn't expecting that question. Now,
I I was told it was my imagination.
Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
I'm the one asking questions here.
Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
Yes, wait, who's the way whose podcast is this? It
was a good question, though, No. I was told it
was my imagination, and in the moments that I doubted
myself and believe that it was my imagination and made
me afraid of my imagination. And I mean, to be fair,
(01:05:14):
I have a vivid imagination. I am a writer. I
write fiction. That book is not fiction, but I do
write fiction. So when enough people tell you it's just
your imagination, it does two things. It makes you afraid
of what your own mind can do potentially, and it
keeps you off drugs. So like I had friends who
(01:05:38):
talked about having bad trips, and there was no way
I was going to let my imagination scare me any
more than it already did.
Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
Thought about that.
Speaker 1 (01:05:48):
So, yeah, never never done anything that I shouldn't have.
But then when I lived in the scary house and
the family started experiencing.
Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
That's the best. When she moved to yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 8 (01:06:17):
That's good.
Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
Yeah, when the rest of the family started having experiences
in that house. And at that point, I was sixteen,
sixteen when we moved in seventeen when we moved out,
because we just lived there for a year. Then the
story started coming out that like one of the houses
that I had some experiences in as a kid, and
I had like recurring nightmares and stuff in My brother,
(01:06:43):
who's two years younger than me, who was in a crib,
would wake up, I think he was a toddler at
the time, would wake up and screaming that there was
a man in his room, a little man in his room.
Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
You know.
Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
So I wasn't the only one who had experienced as
a child, but they just compartmentalized and.
Speaker 3 (01:07:06):
All that.
Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
But yeah, and the thing is, you know, my brother
doesn't remember that. He remembers being told that it happened
later when we were teenagers and having these conversations about
the scary house, but he didn't, thankfully for him, because
I would hate for him to remember being terrified of
a little man in his room. But yeah, I remember
(01:07:31):
all of it.
Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
Man, I'm sorry you had to go through.
Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
That, but it made me who I am. So I'm
one of those people. I'm eternal optimist, annoying optimists to
some people. But you know, I, once I learned how
to process what's going on, put my psychic walls up
so I can block it out when I need to,
and all of that. Now I'm at a point where
I can help other people, so I going through it
(01:07:57):
was scary at the time, but it event actually led
to me doing cool things like going to Monsterfest and
meeting you.
Speaker 3 (01:08:05):
So yeah, yeah, Oh, by the way, you're my first podcast,
so thank you for that.
Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
Well, thank you for coming on. You sounded like a
pro the whole time.
Speaker 3 (01:08:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
No, I appreciate both of you coming on and spending
your evening with me, and I'm especially sharing your stories,
sharing these clips and the image of the glyph and
giving me a chance to share it with all of
my listeners and maybe, like I said, we'll get some
clues as to what it is you're finding out there.
Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
We'd love that. Thank you for having us. We appreciate it.
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (01:09:17):
Schools H.
Speaker 6 (01:09:32):
Two.
Speaker 10 (01:10:00):
It's just.
Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
Because.
Speaker 1 (01:11:32):
Thanks again to Scott and Paul for sharing their stories,
and thanks to you for listening. If you are interested
in sharing your own paranormal experiences, or if you have
an idea for an episode topic, please reach out through
the contact form atpodcast dot com, s P E E
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who has given the show some love. You're helping it grow.
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Speaker 11 (01:13:15):
I don't even think that any.
Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
Ever said that.
Speaker 11 (01:13:25):
Everything that any at another as any.
Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
Because the ability.
Speaker 12 (01:13:53):
From that don't believe that I do.
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