Episode 91: Mike and the Haunted Rental House

Ghostly music, a baby crying, and a seemingly solid apparition – hear these experiences and much more from Mike Howell in North Carolina.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hearing ghostly music, a baby crying, and seeing a seemingly
solid full body apparition. Here are these experiences and more
on this episode of the PEEP Podcast. Welcome to the

(00:44):
PEAP Podcast. I'm your host, Nicole Morock, and I'm thankful
you're here. The two big ideas behind the peap podcasts
are to show that the paranormal is more normal than
most people think, and to connect the science to the SI,
including esp, psychokinesis, and intuition. Just a quick note for
this and the last two shows, if I've sounded a

(01:06):
bit different, that's because I've been fighting a heck of
a sinus infection that first presented in early November as
severe vertigo, then lessened to feeling like I was always
on a boat, and finally started to act like a
bad sinus infection. Over the last month, I've been on maclausine, MUSINXD, antibiotics, floonase,

(01:28):
and now I'm on pregnanzone. If you have any good
vibes to spare, please send them my way. I'm hoping
for the miracle of feeling one hundred percent better by Christmas.
Thanks in advance. Before we jump into this episode's interview,
I want to let you know that the PDF version
of Grumpy's Gift is available for download. The download link

(01:50):
is in the show notes and on the books page
of my website, Nicolemurrock dot com. Grumpy's Gift is a
short story sequel to the Dark Season and introduces a
new character to Rainus Smith's world. Here's the blurb. From
Oven Disaster to Unexpected Romance, Rainus Smith's New Year's Eve

(02:13):
plans are thrown into chaos when a simple dinner turns
into a culinary catastrophe. Can the night be salvaged or
will her first real dinner party go down in history
as the worst ever? Download the pdf for free today.
I also want to take a quick moment to say
happy Holidays to you. Following the every other Wednesday publishing schedule,

(02:38):
my next episode would normally hit your feed on New
Year's Day, but I'm going to give myself some time
off to try to finish the first draft of my
novel in progress, Daughter of the Mystic Moon. I'll be
back on January fifteenth with new episodes. I hope you
and yours have a joyful Christmas, happy Hanukkah, a full

(03:00):
winter solstice, a blessed New Year, and that any other
holiday you might celebrate this season is beautiful. Now back
to this episode's interview with Mike Howell. Mike is my
best friend's older brother, and I'm delighted to have him
on the show to share his stories of living in

(03:20):
a haunted rittelhome. Let's dive in with Mike. Hi, Mike,
how are you doing tonight?

Speaker 2 (03:28):
I am good? How are you?

Speaker 1 (03:29):
I'm great. I'm really thankful that you have come on
the show to share your stories about living in a
haunted house.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
Yes, I did.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
I'm excited to hear about it, and I'm sure my
listeners are too. So if you just want to go
ahead and launch it into it, take off.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
Well. I've never put much thought. This happened when I
was maybe twenty twenty years old, nineteen twenty years old.
I was in college. I had just gotten out of college,
and these two guys that I went to college with
we were gonna we had all gotten jobs at this

(04:12):
factory in this town called Windell, which is right outside
of Raleigh, and we were looking for a place to
live because we're gonna be roommates. So we found a
nice five bedroom house. I say nice. It was an
old house. I think it was built. It was one
of the old downtown you know type deals. It was
built in the I think it was built like nineteen

(04:33):
fifteen or something like that. So it's an old house.
And we went me and one of the guys. I
don't know where the third one was this day, but
we went down to look at the house. And the
family that was in there before us was still living
in it. So this is where the kind of you know,

(04:56):
the weird stuff started kind of happening. So we realtor
senses to the house. People know we're coming. We knock
on the front doors middle of the day. It's not like,
you know, it's nighttime and it's spooky or anything like that.
So this woman opens the door. She's holding them, you know,
got a baby on her hip, and there's kids everywhere
in his house. I don't know how many. There's probably

(05:18):
seven or eight of them, like three year olds, four
year old babies and cribs. She's holding one. And then
there's this boy. Uh I'd guess he might have been
ten or eleven something like that. And uh, the house
was trashed. I mean not that I keep my house
spotless or anything like that, but uh, you know, they

(05:41):
just had five kids, and there's toys everywhere and stuff everywhere,
and she's real nice and she's like, uh, the first
thing that we noticed where we kind of looked at
each other was she's calling this boy and she's calling
him Yarco, which I found out, like I don't know
what that means, but that we were like, what kind

(06:03):
of names up? And we found out later his phill
name is Mark So and uh he was calling her
Aura like Ori.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
I found out later her, you know, because they'd get
mail and stuff that had come there. Her name was married.
But anyway, she's like, okay, we'll show you around the house.
And the way this house was laid out, you had
a front porch on it and had a front door
right in the middle, and you went into like a
big open foyer and then the four year narrowed into

(06:37):
a hallway that went all the way to the back,
and there was rooms off each side. So it's an
old house. So like the living room and the dining room,
like everywhere you'd go from one room to another that
was a door close. So she's like, here's the first bedroom,
you know, and it's some kids room. With bunk beds
in it or whatever. Here's the other room. There's a

(06:59):
crib with a baby in it. You know, she's walking
us down and uh So the next next room on
the right was the living room. So it's kind of weird.
I mean the way it was laid out. It wasn't
laid out when they lay the house out now. So
you look in the living room, there's a fireplace in there.
Uh and the house didn't have uh central air in it.

(07:22):
So there was a huge window unit, like one of
them big you know, one is the size of a
small refrigerator or something in the living room window. And
then you know, the dining room was behind that, and
the kitchen was all the way in the back. Then
on the other side of the the hallway you had,
I guess it would have been the master bedroom. It
was the biggest one. There was one in the there

(07:42):
was one on each side, and you came in the
front door, living room, and then the big bedroom, and
then there was a hallway. There was a door, and
this was weird too. This is what kind of if
you looked at the door, this was obviously a room
edition put on the house. The door was tilted like
this like where the head of the door was on

(08:04):
an angle. Yeah, like it was built that way. And
then going down the hallway. The hallway four in the
hallways only three feet wide, and it was slanted probably
two inches from one side of the other. It was
I mean, it was like hard to walk down. It
was twisting your ankle. And then you go down and
there was a room on the left and the door

(08:24):
was shut off. So she showed us all these rooms,
and like right in the middle of when we were
looking at it, she all of a sudden calls at
kid Yarko and he comes running up and she goes down.
It's like, to me, it's kind of rude to like
whisper something to somebody when you get two people standing

(08:45):
there with you and like leans all around backwards and
she's whispering in his ear and he's looking straight ahead
and she's back. I mean, she was whispering. Well, we
couldn't hear what she was saying. And when she got
when she whispered it, he cut his eyes and looked
at others and he took off and I didn't. I didn't.
That was kind of strange. So we're through walking through

(09:07):
this house and you know, we kind of went down
that hallway where that back room is and she was
trying to like redirect the subway from there. And the
guy that was with me, one of my roommates, and
mid he goes, oh, what we go on this room?
What's in here? And he went to open the door
and that kid was in there. And when he when

(09:28):
he tried to open the door, you know, we saw
the kid's face and slammed the doorback shut real hard
on us. Oh that's just another room. You don't want
to go in there. It's a mess. And like I said,
the whole house was a mess. So I'm like, so
that was the end of that. Well, then the time

(09:50):
came they moved out and we were going to move in,
and these these things that would happen kind of started
off subtle and then it was like a endo where
they would eventually just so I mean, I'm going back.
This was over thirty years ago. I'm trying to remember.
But when you'd walk in the hallway, there was duck

(10:13):
work or something under the hall and it kind of
made this metallic sound, like you hit a piece of
sheet metal with you know, a hammer or something. Yeah,
And like I said. The only room that had an
air conditioner in it was a living room. So you
could go in the living room and you close the
door that goes to the hallway, and you could close
the door from the dining room into the hallway, and

(10:33):
that windy unit would cool the living room, the dining
room in the kitchen, but if you open the doors,
you know, it wouldn't cool because it wasn't big enough.
So we would always sit in the living room. We'd
have the door shut and we had one of them
big old console TVs like your grandparents would have that
sits on the floor and we'd be sitting there, like

(10:54):
first day we moved in, We're sitting there watching TV.
And this is like again, this is in the daytime,
it's not night time, and nobody just freaked out or
spooked or anything. And you heard loud and plain as
day footsteps ran down the hallway. I mean, like to
the point where we were all like this because I

(11:16):
mean the first thing we thought is somebody just came
in the front door, and you know, because it started
at the front of the house and went to the
back of the house and in that back room. I mean,
I'm back up a second, when we all picked bedrooms,
nobody wanted that room because it just didn't have a
good vibe to it. It had this weird uh you

(11:36):
know that old indoor outdoor carpet that's got like hopscotch
boards on it. Yeah, like kids room, It had that
in there. So we just used it like as a story.
And uh, the door was open on it and when
we heard these footsteps run down the hallway, we heard
the door slam, so that freaked us out. So we

(11:58):
thought somebody was in the house. And uh, you know,
we all get up and we're opening the door and
were looking down there and you can see the doors closed,
and we're all getting you know, baseball bats and golf clubs,
and you know, we go down there, open the door,
and of course there's nothing. Nobody's in there. You know.
We went looking in the closet, looking all around, and uh,

(12:22):
that kept happening, like and the speed and the footsteps
would be different. You know, sometimes it would be somebody running,
sometimes the footsteps would be heavier, but it was always
they'd start at the front of the house, go down
the hall, go into that room, and the door would slam,
and uh, it got to the point where we were
just keeping the door shut. And then the next thing

(12:45):
I remember is, all right, this one guy. I had
two roommates, and one guy was a real sin. All right.
He had an explanation for everybody. Yeah, you know, he
didn't believe it. It had to be this, It had
to be the wind or the rain or whatever. And
he was in the bathroom taking a shower one day
and again I think it was daytime, and uh, he

(13:08):
comes in the living room and he's we're in there
being the other guy in there watching TV and he's
got a tower on his waist and he said, hey,
I'll thank you funny, don't you. I'm like, what we
all doing right? And they're flipping the lights on and off?
And I said, no, we didn't get up because we
did it right. So then lights would flicker in the
house like you'd be in there taking a shower. While

(13:29):
you're in the shower, the lights would turn off and
then they'd turn back on. And you know, it was
mainly the bag. You know, it could have been something
wrong with it whatever. But then the next thing I remember,
other than the footsteps, which was a constant thing, the
lights flicker and they'd flicker in the bathroom and they
then they start doing the kitchen, and then they'd do

(13:50):
it you know, like you'd have a light turned on
somewhere to just turn off and then you'd go, damn,
bull must have burned out, and they turned back off,
and uh, like the light would turn off, you know,
like say the bathroom doors open, somebody's walking around, and uh,
the light would turn off. You go in there and
the switches flipped. Yeah, so the light was just you know,

(14:13):
the switch flip somehow. And then the next thing I
remember is normally when we get home from work, there
was a barbecue place over there, and we'd go come
in from work and we'd go eat dinner at that
barbecue place. I mean it's only like a few blocks
from the house. And uh, you know, we were all
broke and worried about the power bill and all that stuff.

(14:37):
So we go to the barbecue place and we'd come
back and the TV would be on and the one
guy's hold you that grouchy gather was really cynical. Yeah, man,
but leaving a TV on you don't run the power
bill up. We go, okay, okay, man, sorry when I
wass left on and then it got to the point
where every day we'd come back, the TV would be on.

(14:59):
And we made it a point like it happened so
much that we were like, all right, we're leaving, We're
gonna all right, everybody, we're going to turn the TV off,
and we'd leave, we'd come back and beyond. And then
it started, uh getting to the point where like if
we get up and go in the kitchen and come back,
the TV would be off. And it was like one

(15:20):
of them old TVs that had to remote, but it's
one of that you punched the buttons on it and I'm
talking about yeah, and like we would go, I mean
only picked up. We only had only I think we
had cave. I don't know how to I don't know
somehow it only had certain stations. It had the knobs
on it. We return them. Yeah, and uh, we came

(15:41):
back in there and it was like on some channel
that you couldn't even put it on. It was like
on channel three hundred and twelve or something like that,
and we just snow on the screen and we switched
it and it went back whatever. Like we had to
keep it on channel three or whatever to get our
cable and then we like, how did you get on
that channel? And we started try to put it on
that channel and you couldn't do it. So, you know,

(16:04):
that's what's going on with the TV and the footsteps
running down the hall really the biggest thing, because it
felt like somebody was in the house with Yeah, you know,
at first we were like scared, and then it happened
so much and then nothing more ever happened that we

(16:27):
just we're getting scared by it.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
Did it happen at certain times of the day or
just randomly, not.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
That would happen all the time. And like one night
I was there by myself and the other two guys
were gone, and this friend of mine came over and
he's real, you know, scared of ghost spooped and all
that stuff. And I was telling him about all this stuff.
And he's over there and he's sitting in this chair
that's right by the door to the living room, and

(16:59):
it was dark, it was night time, and it was
just me and him there and I'm telling about all
this stuff. He's over there squirming and pulling his legs up. Man,
don't tell me that. And he said something like, man,
you're you're full of craft this ain't true or whatever.
And Ray when he said that, that living room door

(17:20):
unlashed flew open and hid his chair like really hard,
like somebody kicked it in, and he uh, I mean
it startled me. I've never seen that hat before. And
I'm looking at the door and I'm trying to figure
out somebody's out in the hallway in the dark. And
I look back to see what he's doing, and all
I saw was his tail lights wind going out of

(17:44):
the driveway.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
I'm sure that was frightening. I can't help but laugh
because it just seems like that ghost had a sense
of humor.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
Well, we uh, we noticed in that back room we
were screwing around by their one time, and there was
candle wax all over the floor, Like there would be
places where somebody had set a candle down on the
floor and the wax melted down. Then they'd pull it
up and have a little circle where the candle was
in the middle, and they were I don't know, like

(18:14):
there was more than one spot. They were all over
the place.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
Was that like on the indoor outdoor carpet.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
Yeah, it was on the carpet, which so you.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
Wouldn't think if you know, that was like a playroom
or something like that. That would it have candles back
there with little kids.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
So I personally wouldn't like candles in that old house
or put the carpet. But yeah, somebody was there setting
candles on the floor and light and they were the
whole you know, there was candles, you know, thick ones
across or whatever. Yeah, and then this might not be
an order, but somebody gave us a wood stove because

(18:53):
we I'm trying to remember how we used to heat
the house, but we wanted the woods. Somebody gave us
a wood stove when we're gonna use for heat because
we didn't want to have to pay for the wall
for the furnace. So we got it over there and
we're trying to put it in the fireplace, like slide
it back in the fireplace, and it's hitting at the top.
There's not enough room, you know, for to clear. So

(19:14):
my roommate, one of my roommates, the guy that I
told you was all cynical, he goes and gets the
screwdriver and he's chiseling a row of bricks out of
the top of the fireplace. Wow, you know, I just
want you know, you can you know, just tap to
the water out of them and they'd fall down. So
he takes like five bricks off the top when he did,
this envelope falls down. It was up like behind the bricks,

(19:38):
and uh, it was a white envelope and had these
polaroid pictures in it. It was kind of strange, like,
I don't know why somebody put it up there, but
on the outside of the envelope it said the Ostling
Clan ost l I n G and it had polaroid
pictures in it, and it was just strange, like it

(20:00):
was a polaroid picture. This man like an older like
sixty year old man or something, and it looked like
something from Europe or something like that because it had
one of those houses in the background where it's white.
It's got the boards that go like this, like in
Switzerland or something. Yeah, this man and this woman, he's
standing there and he's got his arm around this woman

(20:22):
and they're standing in front of the house and they're
just kind of like blank face, staring at the camera,
you know, not smiling or anything. And there was a
couple of pictures of them, a picture of that house,
and then there was pictures of this Doberman and in
every picture he's like barring his teeth and growling, and
it's like a close up of his face. I mean,

(20:44):
it was just you know, stuff like that. I don't
know who the ostling plan was or something like that.
I don't know what we did with that. We you know,
pictures back in and threw it up on the mantel,
and I think we held on to it.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
But uh, that's so strange that you'd find an envelope
up there, like.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
I mean, somebody went through the effort to put it
in there somehow, yeah, you know, And I don't know
how they. I don't know if they there was I
mean I didn't look for he starts sizzling the bricks out.
I don't know if they were able to put it
in there somehow, or if they bricked it back. I
don't know what they I don't know how they got
it there, how it got in there. I'm trying to

(21:26):
think what happened next. I remember it was Christmas time
and I told you right when you come in, the
fouryer through the front doors, a wide four years probably
about I don't know, eight feet wide. I mean it
was big enough to be like a little room almost
or something. Yeah, and it was Christmas time and we
had put the Christmas tree in the corner because the

(21:47):
foyer came in and then the hall ran down the
right side of it, coming in from the front door,
and in that big bedroom, it made a jog out
into the foyer, and that's what took up that space.
It made a corner right there, and that's where we
put the Christmas tree because you could see it through
the front door, you know, yeah, would you leave the
light on you can see the tree. Yeah, it was pretty.

(22:10):
So I'm in the bedroom to the right and I
had my bed turned where the headboard was right up
against the door, and my other roommate, the cynical guy,
was straight across from me and he had his bed
turned the same way. So we used to leave the
doors open everything because like there was no ac it
was winter time, but whatever, I mean, we never shut

(22:33):
the doors. And we were sleeping and we would when
the tree was up. We were leaving the floor your
light on so you could see the tree from the outside,
like at night, and me and him were both asleep
and we just like I told you, that floor made
that metallic sound. Yeah, something hit that floor like hard,

(22:53):
like not footsteps. This was like somebody dropped a bawling
ball from the ceiling. Wow, and it hit the floor
like it shook things in the house. And when it
shook the floor so hard to get like ornaments fell
off the Christmas tree. You woke us up and we
could hear the ornaments and we're both coming out of

(23:15):
a dead sleeve and we both roll over in the
bed and look out the door and we're looking at
each other and there's some kind of animal in the
floor that was probably I don't know, it was as
big as a medium sized dog or something. I mean,
it was probably a fifty pound forty fifty pound animal.

(23:38):
And I said, describe it. It looked like a It
didn't have a tail, it didn't have ears, and it
had like I guess it had fur. It's kind of
a brown color, and there's things sitting in the middle
of the hall and it looks at him, looks at me,
and then it jumps under the Christmas tree and by

(23:59):
knock the tree and it's kicking, like we had presents
under the tree and it's kicking. So me and him
jump up and he had an axe handle that he
kept by his bed. So he's like, oh, what the
heck was that, you know, blah blah blah. We're both
out of bed now, and you can I mean, we're awake.
I mean when we first looked, we couldn't really you know,
our eyes were still blurry from sleeping, and we couldn't

(24:22):
really see this thing all that well. And then next
thing it was under the tree. But when we got
up and we were both fully awake, it was still
scurrying around there, like you can hear it scratching and
the tree shaking, and the presence are sliding and all
this stuff. And then all of a sudden it just stops.
And like I said, this thing was, I mean, there's

(24:43):
no way it could have got out of there, went
anywhere without us seeing it that once. We were standing
right there and uh, you know, everything stops, no sound, nothing,
And we were sitting there and he's I'm taking the
presence out of the tree from under the tree one
at a time because I don't know what this thing is.
I don't know if it did, I don't know what's happening. Right,

(25:05):
took everything out.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
Nothing was there, nothing at all, and you never saw
it there wasn't like a window it could get out
of or anything like that. No, that thing I have
to ask.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
Yeah. I mean, like I said, the thing was in
a corner, so I mean the only direction it could
have gone was out and down the hallway. And I
was standing right there. Yeah, I mean, there's no way
something that big could have done that got down the
hallway and went anywhere in that house without me seeing it.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
So I was just going to ask, like, as far
as the description goes, did it look like any sort
of animal you might recognize, except not having ears? Because
most animals you see ears on.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
A caffy barrel, so that is.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
Definitely not native to North Carolina.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
But that I mean a description, it's because I saw
a cappy bear up somewhere on TV or something. I
was like, man, that looks like that thing that was
in the house at time. Yeah. That was about the
same size as one I mean, you know, thirty forty
inches long.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
Yeah, but me, those definitely have a unique look too.
I mean, yeah, like.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
It if it had a tail that had touch between
his legs, because it didn't look like it had one,
and I didn't see any ears, like, like, you know,
the first thing you think is sorry, it's a dog. Well,
I mean something else happened later that might have had
something to do with this critter, So I'll skip ahead.

(26:53):
Me and one of the roommates ended up getting put
on second shift at this factory, and the other guy
was on first shift, and he ends up dating this girl,
so he was gone all the time, like he would
be going to her house and spending the night over there,
so he wasn't around a lot, and me and the
guy was on second shift with you know, we'd get

(27:14):
off at two o'clock in the morning, and you know,
we'd come home and you can't just walk in the door.
I don't know, if you have to work second ship,
you can't just walk in the door and go straight
to bed, right, you know. So we'd go in the kitchen,
we'd fix some peed to turn the TV on. And
there was three different incidents that I can remember, and

(27:38):
all three times that other guy wasn't home. So we
sat down in the living room. We started watching TV.
And I don't remember which one happened first, but I
remember which one happened last. So I think the first
thing that happened was me and him were sitting in
there and the TV would get quiet and it would
sound like there's music playing somewhere in the house. And

(28:02):
it wasn't like where you could make it out. But
it wasn't like a top forty, you know what I mean.
It was like music from a big band era or
something like that, like something you hear in a dance
hall or something back in the twenties.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
We'd like we'd hear it, like when the TV was quiet,
the TV come back on, you couldn't hear it. More
of you sit drown it out, and finally we like
muted the TV or turned it off or something. We're
just sitting there listening. You could hear it. I mean,
I mean we could both hear. You know, a lot
of this stuff it's just one person. You can say, well,
they're just you're imagining it or whatever. But there's two

(28:43):
of you. It's either mass hallucination or something something's going on.
So we're sitting there and we're standing in the living
room and you have to kind of you can hear it,
but we were trying to understand, you know, figure out
what the kind of music it was or whatever. So
we're like, all right, so we'd open the door. You know,
you open the door the living room of the hallway,

(29:05):
you could hear it better, you know, because it's out
there somewhere. And we'd be like, all right, it sounds
like it's coming from that one. And we'd go down,
you know, in this direction towards the end of the hall,
back there where the little spook chamber was, and like
you'd be you'd hear it in there, and you'd go
in there and it would sound okay, now it sounds

(29:26):
like it's up here, and like we'd come out of
the like you'd go back there and you could hear it,
but it sounded distant, like it's in the house, but
it's all the way at the other end. And we
came out. I remember we thought it was in Mitch's bedroom,
which was the guy that wasn't there, and we walked
up there, went in his room, and then it sounded

(29:47):
like it was back. You know, We're just walking all
over the house and every time you go it would
sound like, you know, it was somewhere else, and then
I think it eventually stopped and h no, there was
two incidents. I'm sorry, I got so the next time
this happened, Uh, same thing came home from work. It's

(30:09):
two o'clock in the morning. Uh, turn the TV on,
and this time the TV would pause or get quiet
for a second. You can hear a baby crime. Yeah yeah,
I mean it sounds like a you know, baby laying
in a crib crying or something. So we did the

(30:29):
same little routine. We walked around the house and the
sound kept moving and it's plain as day. It was
like a you know, just like a baby laying in
a crib crime. And uh, we went I remember we
ended up in Mitch's room again because somehow it led
us in there and we were standing in there like

(30:53):
talking or something. We were like, I don't you know,
I don't know what this is. I don't know why.
We can't figure that where it's at. And this is
where reference back to that animal underneath our feet. Something
started scratching on the floorboards under our feet from the
cross and it was like it was not a rat

(31:15):
what I mean, it was something big. If it was
something down there, it was a German ship. It was
like you know how a dog will scratch on the
door of both ball. It was like that, like Jesus
you and we both jumped through the ceiling.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
I don't believe you.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
Yeah, And I think that kind of ended that for
the night. We were so freaked out after that that, uh,
you know, we probably were up for a couple of
hours and then let's see what else happened. Uh uh
one time, Uh, I was a vacuuming. I had the

(31:53):
vacuum clean around us during the day and uh we
used to get these big wasp nest on the back
porch back there, and we had a can of wasp
spray because like you'd walk up the back door because
every where everybody park is in the back and you
go out in the back door, and every time you'd
open the door, I'm going to walk out, and these
washs would fly down of stinging like on the back
of the neck. And if you've been stung by wasp hurts, yes.

(32:18):
So we go. We went and bought a can of
wash spray with you shoot it with that big long
stream and we're spraying these wasp nests and getting down
and they kept coming back and I don't know, you
know whatever. I'm up in the hallway vacuum in one
day and I see something on the wall out of

(32:40):
the corner of my eye. That looks like a big
stain about this big and uh for.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
The listeners, sorry for the listeners. It's about two feet.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
No, it was probably you know, sixteen eighteen inches across it,
you know, about chess level, not chess level maybe you know,
even with my stomach or something like that, maybe three
feet off the floor. And I saw it out of
the corner of my eye. It moved, and I turned
around and looked at it, and it was ants. And

(33:12):
it was a big circle of ants on the wall.
And there was a trail going down like those little
sugar ants. Yeah, trail going down to the baseboard. And
they were all coming up and they were getting in
this big circle right there on the wall right outside
my bedroom door. And I was like, crap, you know,
we don't want them loose in here. So I turned

(33:34):
the vacuum cleaner off and I went and had to
go all look back in the kitchen, this little laundry
room storagroom, tape things off the back of the kitchen,
and I got that was spray came back on an
ant anywhere and sacke that's bizarre, completely gone, not a
single one. And I've never seen ants move that quick

(34:00):
and you.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
Were like, what it took you maybe thirty seconds to
a minute to go like that.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
Yeah, but I wasn't hurt, I wasn't brillly in a hurry,
but you know, it didn't take me more than a
minute or two.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
Yeah, they don't normally. Well, first off, I've never seen
ants cluster in a circle like that.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
I mean, I've had ants get the house before, but
you know, they're normally on a mission.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
Right, It's usually it's usually a line get out.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
In the kitchen and not out in the middle of
the foyer, or there's no food.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
Yeah, that's really just disappear like that. That's very strange.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
Now, I've told you that we got so used to
this type of activity that really didn't scare us anymore.
I mean, you see, like I watched a lot of
paranormal ships. Yeah, now I can tell you know, I
know they're re enactments and all that stuff, but I'm
looking at some of that stuff and that's really going on. Yeah,
that was scared. Yeah, but I will tell you the

(35:01):
one thing that happened that scared me so bad that
I had to run out of the house and leave
and not come back until my roommates were home Yanks.
So again I think I was on second shift. I
don't know where my roommate barred. He was the one
was on second ship with me, but I know he

(35:22):
wasn't there for some reason. And I was there by myself,
and I was getting ready to go to work. I
think we had to be at work at three thirty,
So it's sometime in the afternoon, like two o'clock or
two thirty something like that. I'm there by myself. And
if you I've kind of given you the lay out
of the house. But like you start at the front door,

(35:44):
you walk in. My room's on the right, pitches rooms
on the left, keep going living rooms on the right,
Bart's rooms on the left, and then the next door
on the left is the bathroom. And then from there
you go through that doorway that goes down that slope allway,
and then the only thing back there is the funhouse.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
So I was in the bathroom and you know, like
you this one of the little small bathrooms, and the
sink is right, you know, inside the door. So I'm
standing there and I'm shaving, and doors open in the
hallways to my right, and uh, I'm sitting there, just shaving,
looking in the mirror. I got the water running, and

(36:27):
a man walks past the door, not running, just plain
as day. Out of the corner of my eye, I
could see walk by. And he was tall, I would
guess six y two. He was big, maybe two hundred
and thirty forty pounds. And I could see him when

(36:50):
he was wearing a blue you know those old shirts
like guys used to wear. I don't know what you
call it. It's not den but it looks like a
kind It's like a blue button up shirt as sleeve. Yeah,
and it's you know, like I don't seem to be
people wearing them anymore. But and he's wearing a pair
of jeans and some kind of dark shoes and a belt.

(37:14):
And he had his hair comb like a greaser, you know,
like somebody off of Grease or something. Yeah, with the
stuff in at the butch wax and the duct tail
on the back and all that stuff. And he walks
by the door, doesn't look at me, doesn't pay any
attention to me, just walks by. And I mean, I'm

(37:37):
my eyes popped open, and I'm like trying like maybe
he didn't hear me. Maybe he didn't know I'm in here,
even though I'm standing here shaving with light on, the
water running, and I stuck my head out the door
and he's still walking down the hallway. I'm looking at
him from behind, and he turns left and goes into
that room and just closes. The door. Didn't slam, it

(37:58):
was closed it behind me.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
That was the funhouse room, Yes, the.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
Weird And I could smell his colomne oo he smell.
I could smell cologne and cigarette smoke, and uh, that
was it. I didn't go back there. I didn't open
the door. I grabbed my keys, I went straight to

(38:23):
my truck, got the heck out of there.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
I don't blame you for that. So you never heard
like a front door open or anything that would have
made you think that somebody had walked into the house randomly.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
The front door had a dead bolt on when nobody
ever went in and out that door, Because like I said,
the house was on the corner and the where you
would park. I mean, I'll show I know we don't
want to give specifics, but I'll show it to you.
I'll send you a picture or something, but you you
know the house faces one street. You come down and

(38:57):
turn on the side street and go around and park,
and there was there wasn't a driveway or anything, but
the little thing where you drive through the curb was
back there, and it was all like a big gravel
area where you can park. I mean a bunch of
people there, and uh, we'd always come in the back door,
which led into the.

Speaker 1 (39:15):
Kitchen, so there was no way he just walked through
the front door.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
No. I mean, like I said, that door had a
dead bolt. It also had a lock on it. I
think there was a storm door on it. There was
locked too, And like I said, nobody ever went in
and out the door.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
So obviously you felt fear because I mean, who wouldn't
if some big random guy just walked through your hallway
and went into the weird room.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
But I didn't hear him before and when he walked
by the door, I didn't really. He didn't really make
any noise other than his footstap, you know, like just walking. Yeah,
a person walking by, That's all it was.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
Yeah, did you feel anything like positive, negative, neutral about him?
Or were you just like so shocked didn't even register.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
I never felt malice from anything in that house. That's good,
you know, and the more time I've spent around my wife,
which I don't remember when we were talking about her
that wasn't on the here. I don't think she's kind
I got some She's an energy person, you know what
I mean, And I've become a little more in tune

(40:31):
to that. So this would have happen today. I think
my perception might be a little bit different. But you know,
at first, I'm like, oh, crap, you know what's going
on is house is haunted. There's stuff going on here.

Speaker 3 (40:47):
And then it went to the point of, Okay, there's
things banging and moving and going in that room and whatever,
but they're not screwing with us other than mischievous things
like screwing with the.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
TV, right, and like when we'd hear that music or
we'd hear that baby crime. The the feeling I had
going back was that this is happening, but it really

(41:19):
didn't have anything to do with us. I don't know
if it was. I don't know exactly how these manifestations were,
but maybe it was some kind of residual energy of
some sort.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
That would be my guess for those two things specifically.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
Yeah, that made it, you know, where we could hear it. Yeah,
and you know, like I don't think it was some
ghost hanging around the back room going hey, wat's this
I turn this radio on stairs. It was just like,
you know, we're hearing something that maybe somebody was playing
that music in that house fifty years ago.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
How long did you live in that house?

Speaker 2 (42:01):
Oh god, I want to say maybe a little over
a year.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
Okay, so not a really long time, but you had
a lot of experiences there.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
Yeah, it was kind of I mean, it's not like
this stuff was happening NonStop, but it happened on the regular,
and it happened over you know. It was not like
there was periods of it where it would start and
stop for a long time. It was kind of just
a continuous, gradual thing. And if I I mean, I

(42:39):
don't want to implicate anybody, or there was a guy
that area. I had this friend that lived in Zabulnce
all of his life and that area is notorious for
stuff like that. Oh really yeah, according to him, he
was the one I told you was sitting in the
chair and the door flew open and he took off off.

(43:01):
I mean, he's old Zebulum family, you know what I mean.
And I talked to him about this podcast, and he
actually said he'd be on here, but he'd come on
with me. But I didn't have a chance to get
with him and line it up or anything like that.
But he told me that the guy that lived in
the house on the other across the side street facing

(43:23):
the street behind it was into some stuff he shouldn't
have been into. M you know, like he was. I
don't know the specifics of it, but the only weird
thing I could say about that guy's house is his
house kind of mirrored our house. But you know, so

(43:46):
you picture you come along the street, we're on turn
and he's on the street behind us, on the other
side of the side street, so the backs of the
houses faced each other across across the side street.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
Gotcha.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
The only thing weird I want to go into detail.
The guy passed away, But uh, I bet he had
seventy five cats in his backyard. Wow. I mean, there
was like a just a huge group of cats, and
they just would stay in the backyard. They'd be up

(44:24):
on the porch and they'd be walking around, and like
when him or his daughter or somebody would come home
and pull in there, all the cats run over.

Speaker 4 (44:34):
To the car.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
Wow. I mean I like cats, but that's an excessive
amount of cats.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
I mean it was like I heard of them. I
mean I swear. I mean there had to be at
least twenty five or thirty of them. I mean it
was like and they would all stay in a group,
kind of like the ants, and uh, yeah, that was
just weird. And my friend was telling me his name
is Richard. He was telling me about this guy some

(45:07):
stuff that had happened years ago, like some political stuff
that he was involved in, and he got mad. Uh
I don't know, some stuff he did and got trouble
for it. Blah blah blah. And I have the feeling.
And it was weird because this guy was real sinister

(45:30):
looking and he looked like somebody that ties some girl
to the railroad tracks, you know what I mean. Yeah,
you know, like he challenged you to a around the
world hot air balloon race. And uh, he came by
one time, right, we moved in and he knocked on

(45:51):
the door and told us who he was. We didn't
know who he was. I mean I hadn't talked to
my buddy about him yet, and he was just acting weird, like, yeah,
these real squid the eyes, and he was like the
whole time we're talking to him. He came to the
front door, and I think all three of us were
standing there, and the whole time he's trying to look
around us and look inside the house and cutting him out. Yeah,

(46:15):
and you'd be talking to him and he's not like,
he's not even looking at you while you're talking. He's
trying to look over your shoulder. And then when we
left and shut the door, I saw him walk around
the porch and like look in the two windows to
the bedrooms there. And then we'd like if we'd be
outside pulling in or something. I don't know where he'd
be coming.

Speaker 4 (46:34):
From, but to go to his house, you would think
he would come up the street that he lives on,
right because the way the town's laid out, But he
would always come down, turn on our street.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
And then turn left right there to our house, and
he would slow down and look at the house, and
like if we were out back, he'd pull up stop
look at us. If we look back at him, he
waved at us and kind of pull on in his books.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
Was it like he had some sort of fixation on
the house or curiosity about y'all.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
If I had to face this is just my opinion.
I have to feel that those people that lived in
that house before us knew him. And I think, you
know where I'm going. I think I think they were

(47:35):
doing some kind of what word am I looking for here?

Speaker 1 (47:41):
Ritual?

Speaker 2 (47:42):
Ritual? Okay. I think whatever they were doing, they did
it in that back room. And uh, I don't know
what his role in it was, but maybe he you know,
they were influenced by him. I think he knew what
they were doing. I think the reason he was coming

(48:05):
around there after we moved in was probably because he
was trying to see if they left anything behind that fight,
you know, cause him any trouble. But I will go
to the next part of my story, and this is
this is the last chapter with the house, and that's

(48:26):
my wife is tieded. Okay. So I've explained to you
about my wife right.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
Right, she's she's on the psychic side.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
Yes, So you know where Cassie lives because that's where
I last saw you. So this was only a couple
of years ago. Cassie had lived in the house long, right,
and we had gone over there for something. Uh, and
you know where she lives outside of that right, And
I told my wife and daughter about this house before.

(48:56):
I mean, I told him the stories about it. And
I don't know if they believe me or they didn't
believe me or whatever. They kind of we're like, yeah, yeah,
you know whatever. And we were leaving Cassie's house one
night if somebody's birthday or something, and it was dark
and we're heading home and you know, to get home.
I come down, come up from her house at ninety

(49:19):
six and I turned on sixty four right there, right there,
trying to leave shopping sit if you keep going straight
into Zabuling, the house is down that way, and it
wasn't far and I was pulling up there, I was
getting ready to turn. I said, hey, y'all want to
go see that house? And my daughter was sitting in

(49:40):
the front seat with me and my wife sitting back,
and my daughter's like, yeah, let's go see it. Let's
go see it. And as dark as pitch dark, no
moon out, I guess it's cloudy. And so I drive
down and I turned on the street. This house is
on and it's so dark. And keep in mind I
hadn't been there in thirty years, right, it's so dark

(50:03):
that you really can't see anything but the light coming
out of the windows on the houses. And I'm going
down the street. If it was broad daylight, I could
have found no problem, right, But I stopped at the
house that was on the opposite corner, like the next
house before it, and I was looking at it, and
I was trying to figure out if that was it.

(50:24):
Like I said, I couldn't really see but the light
coming up the windows. And uh, my wife wasn't really
involved in any of this. You just kind of sitting
back there, going along for the ride. And I said,
hold on, I think it's this one, and just out
of nowhere in the back seat, my wife goes, no,
it's that one and points, and I pulled up and

(50:46):
she was right, and so I described the house. I
pulled up and I turned left like I was going
to Homeboy's house there.

Speaker 5 (50:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
Well I didn't go in front of because I don't
know what you go down there, and I had to
turn around or something. But if you turn left right there,
I could come back out the next block be on
the way. So when I turned we're all looking at
this house and my daughter starts screaming and I look
over there in that bedroom where my roommate Barks slept

(51:21):
in was a big master bedroom and again this could
have been anything for me and my daughter Bosa. There's
two tall, narrow windows right there and they stick out
kind of like a square bay window. Yeah, and there
was these two men that look like twins standing in
those windows looking back out us. They were tall, thin,

(51:45):
old men. They were wearing uh, navy blue or dark black.
They look like navy blue, I couldn't really tell. Suits
and a little white shirt, a little skinny tie. And
we took and Chloe just I don't know. They weren't
doing anything, were just standing. So we took off, or
I took off. And when we got back to that

(52:07):
window where the the little spook room was, Yeah, this
blue light that looks like the color of a police
siren shined out that window, like a flashlight or a
laser or something. It came on, shined out and was
shooting across the street. We had to drive through it. Weird,
and we came home that night one of her birds.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
Day weird and sad. Yes, do you think it was related?

Speaker 2 (52:41):
I don't know. But the following night, I don't know
what caused us. This doesn't happen around here, so I
don't want you to think I'm some kind of lunatic.
Me and my daughter got into it about something. I
went absolutely ballistic, and I've never gotten that angry at

(53:03):
her about anything, So yeah, I think.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
It was related, like something followed jell, like.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
Some funk got on me or got on us, and
we brought it home. Yeah, and those little birds in there,
they can't They don't take much to kill one of them, right,
And then me losing my temper like that, and then
it was so bad that she got up and left
the room and I sat down. I had to go outside.
I walked out on the back porch and I said,

(53:33):
think about doing what's wrong with you? And then I
was like, does isn't me? So I called her out.
I said, Cloyd, come out here. I need to tell you.
I said, I'm sorry, I don't know what happened. She's
pretty bad. I holding the crutch and I just said
that with me, and she goes, I know, and she said,

(53:57):
let's not go by there yet, and I haven't been back.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
Makes sense. Also makes me not want to go by there.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
Well, feel free, I'll be glad to give you the
address offline. Are you do you do? I'm trying to
think what Cassie told me. Do you do readings and stuff?

Speaker 1 (54:20):
I do? Yeah, I do readings, I do energy healing,
and I've spent over a decade doing paranormal investigations. But
I do try to avoid the negative energy as much
as possible.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
I could show you where it's at. I don't think
I want to go over there.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
Yeah, if you want to email me the address, I
might drive past it sometimes. I know you told it
to me when we first were talking about this at Cassie's,
but I do not remember which street it was on.
So if i'll fly in you want to send that
to me, I'll drive past.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
Yeah, did me a favorite go over there and see
if you pick up me. I don't know how that
stuff works. I mean, like I said, this was in
nineteen eighty nine or something like that, So if there
was residual energy from recently, I don't know if that
stuff wears off. I don't know if honestly something to
get rid of it.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
Yeah, it really depends on the people who lived there since,
Like if they've had experiences and they wanted to try
to get rid of it. They might have been able
to or you know, sometimes places like that attracts people
who are totally fine with it and would actually encourage it.

(55:44):
Most people would not, but so you never know. It
really depends on who's been there since and it's been
a while since you were there.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
Yeah. I looked it up on the Wait County Property
Appraisers website and the guy that owned it before, the
guy that we rented it from, uh, it's had like
maybe two or three owners since then, but he uh

(56:15):
like he had owned it since like the sixties and then. Uh,
Like I said, the records on that thing don't go back.
Like you can look on that site. It says I
only have you ever been on it, but it tells
you that the year it was built, which was built
in nineteen fifteen. I'm pretty sure if I remember correctly,

(56:36):
which sounds about right, because we used to live in
some old houses in downtown Raleigh that were built nineteen ten. Yeah,
and they looked like they were from the same same era.
But uh, yeah, it's had like three different owners and
if you like going Zillow, when you look at it,
somebody's remodeled it because it looks a lot better than

(56:58):
it did when we were staying there, And yeah, I
think somebody bought it like in the last year.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
Okay, Yeah, And at this point it's over one hundred
years old. Although like nineteen fifteen would make sense if
you heard twenties style music and it was residual, I mean,
somebody could.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
Really It wasn't like, yeah, it wasn't like eighties music
or anything like that. It was something older. It was
the band, big band type music.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
Yeah, that's cool. So we have a little bit of
time left. You had mentioned another story that if we
had time you might share.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
Oh, that one about the tree and my wife. Yeah,
so that goes back to those houses we lived in
downtown Raleigh. That those old houses. Her parents, her father
stepdad owned the houses and her and him and her
mom lived in the one on the right. We lived

(58:01):
at the one on the left, and they were only
like sixteen feet apart. And behind the one we lived
in was this huge black walnut tree. I mean, the
trunk of that tree was probably so I had I'm
assuming that when they built that house, somebody playted that
tree in nineteen ten. That's probably how old it was. Wow. Yeah,

(58:23):
And I was out there mowing the grass. One day,
she was at work and she worked up you know,
the house is in downtown Raleigh, and she worked up
off six or fourth Road, kind of up north, and uh,
you know, it's like, I don't know, middle of the
day on a Saturday, and I'm out there mowing the grass,

(58:45):
and it was this weird feeling and it was really strong,
and I really don't know how to describe it, but
that tree was bugging me. I mean, it was like
this sad energy coming in that tree and it was
totally one directed at me. And it was to the

(59:05):
point where I'm mowing the grass and I just keep
stopping and looking at the tree, and I could almost
feel this thing looking back at me, and it was
like it wanted something. And uh, it got so bad
that I turned the lawn more off and I went
over there and I put my hands and I didn't

(59:26):
know what to think about it, but it was so
strong and it's bothering me. And I went inside and
Victoria called right when I went in, and she said,
what's the matter. And I said, I mean, she wasn't
supposed to get off till like end of the day. Yeah,

(59:47):
And she said what's the matter. And I said, it's
the tree and she said I know. And I said,
what's wrong with it? She said, I don't know, but
I'm on my way home. H So she came home
and I'm standing there and I'm looking out the blinds
on the slide and glass door and I said, come here,
and she looks out there at it and I said,

(01:00:07):
can you feel it? She said yeah, And I said
what is it? She's like, I don't know. So she
goes and goes and lays down to the bed or something.
And Chloe's in her bedroom and she had a printer
in there, and the printer wasn't working or something. So
I get up and I go in there, and I'm
sitting in her bedroom and I'm trying to help her
get this printer started and it starts raining. And like

(01:00:32):
I said, it's maybe two o'clock in the afternoon on Saturday,
and I mean this was like forty five minutes ago
this thing was happening with the tree. Yeah, And I'm
sitting there with her and I'm trying to get this
bluetooth thing hooked up on her printer or something, and
I hear it start raining and the lights flickered, and

(01:00:57):
I'm like, man, crap, We're gonna lose power, you know.
And then I'm trying to hurry up and get this
done because I think the power is gonna go out.
Lights flicker again.

Speaker 6 (01:01:09):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
And then it starts raining harder, and then I hear
the wind go and it starts making all these like
swirly you know, like wind noises, and I was like,
think is that? And then I hear and Chloe's like,
what is that? I said, I think it's hell. And

(01:01:31):
when I did that scene from Twister, the movie Twister
started going through my head. I'm like, we got hell.

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
And then I heard the rain picks up, wind picks up,
and then I heard bam, but bam, but bam. Stuff
just hitting the house is debris. And right then is
when I said, oh crap, and I went to put
the computer down and stand up. And then you've heard
have you ever been through her tornado?

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
I've been through a microburst that we thought was a tornado,
so like lots of damage.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
They say that it sounds like a train, they're not lying, yeah,
And it's like the loudest train you'll ever hear in
your life. And that's when I hear and I stood
up and I didn't know what to do, as completely panicked,
and Chloe starts screaming, and Victoria's up in the bedroom
going kit I think she was screaming, get Chloe and

(01:02:26):
getting the bathtub. And then Chloe starts screaming, go find
my cat, Go find my cat. So I don't know
what happened. I ran out into the like where the
kitchen is, and I'm just standing there thinking we're about
to die. Yeah, And I look up the whole like
the house is like twisting like flex and left and right,

(01:02:47):
and the sheet rocks cracking and every you know, I mean,
there's stuff falling down from the ceiling. And then I
hear this loud like crack sound and boom, this big crash.
That tree came right through the roof. Wow, the tornado
had up blown it over, uprooted, tree died.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
It's like it knew it was going to die that day.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
It knew it was going to die. And I don't
know what it thought I was going to do about it,
but it came through. It crushed the whole side of
the house. If any of us had been over there
where that thing came through, the roof, we did, because
or we'd have been six inches tall. Wow, just like that,
it was gone. I mean it was what year was this,

(01:03:35):
twenty eleven, you remember it was.

Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
It was the big one in two thousand.

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
It was that one that blew the walmart down in
Sandford or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
Yeah, it came right over our house. And I don't
know how it did. I mean, the tree was twenty
feet behind the house. So the only thing I could
think of with why it did blow the house down,
that was because it came from the back and when
you got to where our house was, the land slope
down and the house kind of sat down below the hill. Yeah,

(01:04:10):
the tree was up on top of the hill. Because
there were lawn chairs like this, regular lawners sitting on
the ground under the tree, and they didn't even blow away.

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
It is so crazy too, it must have been.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
It must have went over the house, Yeah, the top.
It is all I can think of.

Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
Well, I'm glad you were not injured and yeall made
it out safely, yes, but yeah, that was that was
a bad day for a lot of people around here. Yeah.
And that's that's so wild that you both felt it
from the tree that's I mean, i'd say premonition, but

(01:04:59):
premonitions usually you know, you just get yeah, exactly like
you would get a foreboding that something was going to
happen to your house or your tree, but instead you're
just getting this bad feeling, like sad.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
And it was really sad too. I mean, the more
I think about it, I mean that tree knew, knew
what was going to happen to it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
It's wild kind of mind boggling. Thank you for sharing
your stories. Wow, yeah, I really appreciate it, and I
will let you go now. Thank you for your time,
and thank you. Thanks again to Mike for sharing his experiences,
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