March 12, 2025 • 59 mins
What’s it like to be an evidential medium who didn’t intentionally develop that talent? Listen as Jessica describes her experiences and how she’s learned to accept her ability.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Evidential mediumship means a person has the ability to receive
messages from the other side. On this episode, you'll meet
Jessica and hear about her experiences with this gift. Welcome
(00:43):
to the Peak Podcast. I'm your host, Nicole Morock, and
I'm grateful you're here. The two big ideas behind the
Peak Podcast are to show that the paranormal is more
normal than most people think, and to connect the science
to the side, including esp psychokinesis and intuition. Okay, my
little experiment with the last episode gave me a message
(01:05):
loud and clear, stick to the paranormal. Got it? In
case you missed it. I didn't want to skip publishing
an episode because I was too busy meeting a deadline
for my novel in progress, so I shared a song
that I wrote the lyrics to and very few people
downloaded it, so I won't make that mistake again. Moving on,
(01:27):
this week, we are fully back into the paranormal. As
I introduce you to Jessica. We are keeping her identity
a secret, and I think you'll understand why once you
hear about her experiences. I know Jessica personally, and I
invited her on the show because she has a gift.
Without going into family details, a great grandmother who passed
(01:49):
before I was born, decided that I needed a message
and she provided it through Jessica. A member of my
family who knew this grandparent well confirmed the details provided
and that's good enough for me. So what's it like
to talk to the dad? I'll let her describe it
in her own words. Let's dive in with Jessica. Hi, Jessica,
(02:13):
how are you doing today?
Speaker 2 (02:14):
I'm well, how are you?
Speaker 1 (02:16):
I'm great. I am really thankful that you are on
the show and here to share your paranormal experiences. And
I'm going to start off with asking what is the
first paranormal experience that you remember.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
When I was about twenty years old, after my grandmother died,
I was in a very toxic relationship, and shortly after
she died, she came to me and my dreams, and
it was different than most dreams because she came to
(02:59):
me like I felt something coming to me, but I
didn't know what, but I knew it was important, Like
I was in that a sleep but not a sleep state,
and so I felt I felt someone's presence like coming
to me, and then she just appeared and she was
(03:20):
sitting in the autumn and that she always had in
her bedroom. And she didn't look like she did when
she died. She looked like it was like in her
best time of her life, like when she was in
her forties. And I remember saying to myself in my sleep,
pay attention to everything she says, wow and uh. And
(03:40):
I did, But of course I forgot a lot of it.
But I knew the gist of the conversation.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
And that was it.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
And I woke up very confused. So that was my
first Yeah, and then do you want to know how
like I became a medium or like how that started.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Or yeah, well that was if that was your first experience,
when was like how long was it before you had
another experience or did you start to seek out those
experiences years?
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Because my mom, my mom was an astrologist, a psychic,
a least call it bitch. I mean, she was a
wreki healer, she was, you know, a tarot card reader.
She was everything. But and then like a few months
after she passed away, I said to her, I said, Ma,
how come we used to call a mo I'm like,
how come we don't hear from you at all? And
(04:39):
then later on that night, I was going to sleep
and again and that halfway stay, I felt like something
just hit me on the back of my head and
I was confused for a minute, but nothing did like
it felt like it, but it didn't. It's the best
way to explain it. And then I remember like peeking
(04:59):
up at in my bed and I was like waiting
for my sister because she was in the living room
because my daughter was a baby at the time, helping
me with my baby, and waiting for my sister to
respond to that big bang I heard and nothing, nothing,
And then I hear my mom say, and I hear
my mom say.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
What do I gotta do?
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Hit you in the back of the hud That is
something my mom would totally say, you know, So that
would be the second time I didn't really And then
after that, like my grandmother would come to me, my
other grandmother would come to me in my sleep state
(05:42):
and talk to me about important things that was happening,
and she told me basically not to stress. And I
had to do with her passing and dividence of all
her stuff. Yeah, and then nothing until like years later,
(06:07):
I was just hanging out with my friends and they
were talking about their parents who had passed away, and
I was like, you know what, I feel like, I
feel like I can do this. Like I don't know why.
I just was like, I think I can. So this
man comes through and I'm seeing like this man not physically,
(06:30):
but like I don't see the whole person. I just
see bits and pieces, okay. And I remember talking to
him and asking him, I'm like, how come you won't
show me one side of your face? And I remember
asking him. Nobody else knew I was asking him this
question and I'm like, how come you won't show me
(06:50):
one side of your face? And then I said to
my friend, I was like, your dad refuses to show
me one side of his face and he said, well,
because he had a cycle wreck years ago and that
one side of his face was all messed up. M
And what I learned from that was when I'm giving
a reading, they I'm just like the vessel they go through. Right,
(07:16):
nothing's going to make sense to me. It's not supposed
to do. It's supposed to make sense to them. But
it's it's things that they say that only they would.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Know, right, that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
So they have confirmation of who it is. And then
sometimes when people want to reading the same person, the
person that they want and the person they need isn't
the same. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Yeah, I've heard that before.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
So and then my my other friend that was there,
I was giving her a reading from her dad and
I'm like, what is what this yellow rose? Like, he
keeps showing me this yellow rose, and she's like, I
don't know. And then she's like, oh, I always put
(08:09):
a black rose on his gray, but one particular time
they only had yellow. Aw so that was again showing Yeah.
And then sometimes some spirit is really intense, really intense,
like I don't have to go looking for it at all,
and uh, yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
I don't know if well, so I have well, first
an observation. So when you are able to give people
some information that there is no way you should know
and specific to their just cease left one, that's called
evidential mediumship, I believe. And so because you can give
(08:55):
them evidence that you're actually talking to who you're talking
to and you're not just doing a cold reading of
some sort, and that's impressive. A lot of people can't
do that.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
It's a lot that I still don't understand because I've
had no training, but it's like I've had nobody to
talk to about it or guide me with it. So
like I'm just assuming that these little things like telling
somebody that somebody showing me a blue bird, you know,
like I have no idea what that means, right, but
(09:28):
that the other person that I'm giving the reading to
you knows exactly what that means because they had a
blue bird when they were young, or a certain stuff
animal that they had. The hardest was a little girl.
That was the hardest one. It ripped my heart out
because the mom didn't want the reading, and the little
(09:51):
girl was just harping on me, harping on me, harping
on me, and telling me all specific things, and it
was basically because she didn't want her mom to hurt. Yeah,
I mean, of course you're you know, as a mother,
you're gonna hurt. But I think that was the hardest one.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
So did so you Did you tell the mother what
she needed to hear or did you give up?
Speaker 2 (10:17):
I had to go through a third party because I
didn't know her very well. It was like an extended
family member, and I, you know, I just didn't want
to show up at her doorstep and be like, hey,
I'm like this medium, you don't know me.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
I'm yah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
So I had to go through like a third party,
and the third party was like, she's just not ready
for it. She's not wanting it, like, but she's telling me,
and I don't remember it now. I'm like, but she's
telling me, even the stuffed animals she carried, you know, yeah,
telling me like she really wants to give this reading
to her mom. Like she even told me where she lived,
(10:55):
like where her mom lived, like, and I took my
daughter there one day cause I didn't want to freaking
buddy out. I'm like, is this where so and so lives?
And she's like, yeah, how did you know? I'm like
because she told me, yeah, you know, but that that
was the hardest one that would because she she wouldn't
let up. And I felt really bad about it. But
(11:16):
you can't force it on people if they don't want it.
They don't want it, right.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Even though and I could see, I mean, there's so
many different ways of grieving and stages of grief that
I could see how somebody would maybe have a have
a hard time. It's if it's too soon, but that
it should be comforting if you get that kind of
detail from somebody who hardly knows you, saying your daughter
(11:41):
is okay, you know, like she's she's in a good place.
But if you haven't dealt with grief yet, then I
could see how it could also be really disconcerting too,
if it's not something you're seeking out.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Well, sometimes two people are very skeptical mm hmm, people
who have disability. And I don't call it a gift.
I call it an ability because with disability also comes
with some downfalls, you know, So I call it an ability,
not a gift.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
So do you open yourself up to it like when
somebody asks you about it, or you just open all
the time.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
So I used to be open to it all the time,
but I've learned to and I can't tell you how
I do it, but I've learned to close it good.
But around the holidays, everybody wants to get a reading out,
everybody wants to give something, you know, like from the
(12:45):
other side. Yeah, and it's usually towards my clients. But
other than around the holidays, I've learned how to close
that door.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
It was.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
It wasn't easy at first. I didn't know how. You know,
it's like once I opened up the gate it was
flooding through.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Yeah, and it was.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
It was too much. It was really too much. So
I just I don't know how to explain how I
closed it, but I just closed it.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Yeah, well it's good. It's some people have visualizations for it,
like I have one. I just call walls up or
shields up. Basically, I just picture walls going up around
my head so I'm blocking everything out.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Yeah, it's like, yeah, it's like that. But some of them,
they're very persistent. Some of them are very persistent, and
some of them are actually shy. Oh really, yeah, some
of them are. It's like, in some ways it's true
(13:57):
what they say, don't you're your personality is a lot
of the same of when you were here. However, they're
doing work on the other side, like I believe that
everything's a choice everything, like you can improve yourself even
on the other side. And I had this one spirit
(14:23):
just floating, not floating, not literally floating, but hanging around
me for days, and I could tell it he was
I knew it was a male, but and I knew that.
I'm like, why are you floating around me for days?
Like what is it you want? Like he was timid,
you know. And so he finally started coming through, and
(14:48):
the first thing I saw was his four arms, and
he had a tattoo on one of his four arms.
It was a big cross, and I could tell the
skin was Hispanic. So I immediately called my daughter's father,
because you know, he's a Mexican, and I'm like, do
(15:10):
you know anybody with a cross tattoo on their four
arms that passed? And he thought a minute, and he's like, yeah,
that's Ry and that was his brother in law that
was murdered years ago. And you know, he explained to
me the tattoo that he showed me his tattoo under
(15:30):
his eye, and he was very proud of his teeth.
And I was like, these are the things that spirit
shows me, you know. Yeah, and it's again to confirm
it's this person, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Yeah, So.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Basically his message was, well, I don't want to talk
about his message because I think it's really perfect.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Yeah, that's fine, but.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
He he struggled like he wanted to do better, like
he knew he didn't do so great in his life
and that he was trying to improve himself in the afterlife.
So and that is one of the things that confirmed
to me that. And some people may get mad at
(16:23):
me for saying this, and I'm okay with it, but
I don't believe what we are taught is accurate like
what they taught us in the Bible, or you're going
to hell. I don't believe there is a hell. You know.
(16:46):
I've seen people that you know, they think it's like
judgment day, But even when you pass over, it's not
judgment day. It's a choice. Everything is a choice. You
can choose to improve yourself or you can choose not
to improve yourself, but that's gonna affect your soul, and
(17:10):
it's not I don't believe there's a hell, like I
just you're not gonna sit in the fires of hell
like there's just isn't one. There just isn't. And that's
okay if anybody wants to disagree with me, everybody's entitled
to believe whatever they want. But I'm just going by
my experiences with the people who have passed. I think
(17:34):
you have lessons even when you pass and there's different levels.
Like when I noticed after my sister passed, I could
reach out to her more. She's more accessible than my mom,
like my mom, I can't reach her. It's like I
(17:55):
don't I don't know how to explain it. And of
course they don't always come when you want them to,
but I don't know how to. I don't know how
to explain. It's like a whole different level of my
mom's on, Like she's harder to reach. That's the best
way I can explain it.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Yeah, and maybe she's doing some other, some other type
of work.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
On the other side.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
I think she is knowing her yeah is, and I
think she's preparing herself to something bigger.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
And to me, all of this is there's a message
of hope in there, because yeah, if there's if there's
no hell, and I'm kind of I'm of the thought
that hell is something we create on our own.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
So you know, if you if you are dead set
on believing that you are going to be in hell
when you die, and you get over to the other
side and you're miserable you created that, like you were saying,
it's a choice. But if you get over to the
other side and you're like, ooh, I kind of messed up.
I wish I hadn't you get you get the opportunity
(19:14):
to to work on that and you know you're better yourself,
like you said, yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
And you also have the opportunity of not working on it.
And I think that's where bad spirit comes in.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
That's I believe. It's all a choice. Everything's a choice,
even on this earth. If you feel like you're living
in hell, well you are because that's what you create.
You don't want to do, but you don't want to
find the good in anything. H So that's creating your
own hell. And I believe that's the same even when
you go to the other side. If you don't want
(19:51):
to do better, then you're creating your own hell.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Yeah, it's not it's not a place. It's not like
Haiti's and fire and Brimstone unless that's what you want
to create for yourself. Not why anybody would want to
do that. So yeah, I definitely agree there.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
So when you are getting messages you said you don't
you don't always like fully see somebody, But are you?
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Are you?
Speaker 1 (20:25):
How am I saying this? Okay, we'll talk about hearing.
So when you hear them, do you hear them as
if they are outside of you? Or because I get
things intuitively, so I don't necessarily hear voices. I just
get words that are super persistent, and I finally have
to say them out loud, like does this make sense
(20:48):
to anybody in the room kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
I do get that, and then sometimes I also feel
their words, Like that's the best way to explain it, okay,
is I feel their words. I don't know how else
to explain it. I don't ever physically hear them speaking, okay,
Like ever.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Yeah, And I only ask that because everybody has a
different way of I used to hear the spirits, and
I shut that down because when you're sitting in a
quiet place and it sounds like somebody is whispering in
your left ear and there's nobody there, it's a little
too intense for me. So it's one of the things
I do not allow.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
I think sometimes when not every time, but I think
sometimes when people say that they're hearing voices, they write
that off is mentally ill. I don't think that's always
the case. It's not.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
There actually was a study done by Yale, and I
covered it in one of my earlier episodes called the
Yale Cope Project, and what they were doing was doing
surveys and interviews with people like us and who have
been able to hear those voices at some point, so
(22:09):
people like me who learned to shut it down, and
it's to understand how basically psychics I'm still like I
still have trouble with that word. Basically how psychics experience
the experiences that we have, and then applying how we've
(22:31):
learned to shut that down to people who actually do
have a mental illness that causes them to hear voices.
So they're trying to learn from us how to help
them shut their voices down, even though they may not
be from the same type of source.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
I had somebody that went through that years ago who
was hearing voices and has no recollection of it.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Now.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
No, wow, they the spirit was telling my family member
to hurt me.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Oh that's not good.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
No, it's not so. But I didn't. I'm that because
that wasn't the first time.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
I felt like somebody wanted to hurt me from the
other side. But looking back at it now, I feel
like some spirit on the other side does not like
us to have disability. I don't know why. At that part,
(23:40):
I don't know, like, why why wouldn't they right? It
want us to give somebody some a blessing. I call
it a blessing, But why why would they want to
shut that down? Like I don't understand that.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
I don't either. I had one client of my paranormal
investigation group several years ago tell me, and we weren't
sure if she was actually having paranormal experiences or if
it was mental illness. And I'm not qualified to make
that decision, so we referred her to a psychologist who
(24:19):
kind of specializes in that stuff, and she actually went.
But she told me, and like the first time we
visited with her, she told me that the guy that
she thought was trying to possess her was telling her
to kill me. And I just said, I'm I'm not
worried about that, and she said why, and I pointed
(24:41):
to the cross on my neck. I said, I'm protected,
and that shut the conversation down. But I don't know
if that was, like I said, mental illness or a
paranormal thing that was going on. I didn't totally feel
like there was a paranormal thing going on, but when
she said that, there was a little, you know, a
little extra tension in the air.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Well.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
The person that was telling me this was a child.
Oh and unfortunately they went into the hospital because I
didn't know what to do with it. I didn't realize
at the time that's what was happening. But then back
now I can tell it was a paranormal thing because
(25:27):
this child has told me things before that the average
person wouldn't understand. Okay, does that make sense? Yeah? They
just feel like something negative is around them. And it
was all around that time. Do you know what I mean?
(25:49):
Like that person would be like, I feel really uncomfortable
right now. I feel really uncomfortable right now, Like I
feel like things watching me. But at the time I
didn't realize that. But shortly after I started doing some
(26:14):
protection work for that person.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
That's good.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Yeah, and I of course didn't know what I was doing.
Of course told me like I wish my mom had
been more open with it with me, right so she
could have guided me, but she she just wasn't, And
it was probably because I don't know, she had her
own reasons. Yeah, I don't know, but I know I
(26:43):
got it from my mom. I know now.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Do you think anybody else in your house or family
has it?
Speaker 3 (26:52):
I do.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
I do. The same person that was having that experience,
that would make sense. But I think it's going to
take a little while because they have other things going on,
and I think they're too young, really still too really
(27:17):
what's the word trust themselves? Does that make sense?
Speaker 1 (27:23):
It does make sense. I would guess since you would
have liked to have had somebody give you more guidance
early on that when that person comes to you, you'll
be able to do that.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
For I got a little freak that. But you know what,
I've noticed God always gave me what I needed, not
what I wanted. And even when I was first learning
it at the time, I had someone in my life
that was very biblical, so she would help me a
(28:00):
little bit as far as like what do I do
when I see a negative spirit and unclean spirit? Like
what do I do? Like it would freak me out? Yeah, yeah,
you know. She would just say, just say, you stand
behind me. I walk with God. You stand behind me,
I walk with God. And it worked. It worked so
(28:24):
but so now I'm not really scared anymore. That's good.
It doesn't scare me anymore. A really very young age
that I was protected.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
That that faith, that knowledge makes such a difference in
how you deal with them. When they come over.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
And you know what's funny is because I had no
guidance with this spirit led me mm hmm this, you know,
it's just it's funny, like I didn't need to take
a class. I didn't, you know. I just I know
that I'm loved, I know I'm protected, and I know that. Uh.
(29:08):
It's a it's a it's an honor to be able
to help people put their minds at ease. It is.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
It's an honor, it is, and I'm I'm so glad
you feel that way because some people spend their whole
life thinking that it's a nightmare or you know, a
horrible thing to have, because they haven't found the way
to use it for the good.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Everybody has the ability. Everybody has the ability. It's just
trusting yourself. And that's really what, in my opinion, that's
really what it boils down to. It's just trusting what
you what you see. But you know, we've been taught
at a very young age like, oh, you're crazy. If
you're seeing this, you're crazy. You're crazy, And so people
don't want to talk about they don't want to share it.
(30:01):
They don't because they're scared of how people are going
to react, right, And.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
That's that's why I do this podcast, because I want
to be one of the people who helps reduce that stigma.
Like if we could get rid of it altogether, and
this is just be a normal conversation that you could
have on the street in front of anyone and not
worry about what people think about you, all the better.
(30:29):
And at this point I've thrown out the window what
people think about me. I don't care obviously, because I'm
doing this podcast and my name's on it.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
I've at that age too.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
It's like God made me this way, this is who
I'm going to be.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Yeah, now now I embrace Now, I embrace it. But
at first I didn't. At first I didn't because people
look at you funny, they treat you funny. They they
get freaked out sometimes, you know, like even reeting is
like so accurate and it gives them exactly things that
(31:07):
I wouldn't possibly know. Some people still get freaked out
by it. Yeah, I've learned to be okay with that.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Yeah, because you can't control it. I mean, you can't
control how people to respond to you, and even people
who ask for that kind of information when you give
it to them and you give it to them so accurately,
they still could get freaked out over it because they
just were not expecting you to be that good at it.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Yeah, it does, it freaks it does some people. But
what I don't understand is that we're protected, Like if
you use it the right way, we're protected, and they're protected.
You know, we know how to protect them. And I
think a lot of people don't understand that. Yeah, maybe
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one day they will. Maybe one day they will, I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
I hope so. And sometimes it just takes them having
their own experience, their own moment of enlightenment.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Before they realize that.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
And some people never will realize that we all have
our own journeys.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Yeah, this is true. This is true. Some people just
can't they're just too scared of it. But I think
that I think a lot of people have this ability,
have had traumatic childhoods, and I'm thankful for it now.
(32:49):
I mean, of course I wasn't thankful for it growing up,
but I think you have to have something traumatic or
have a traumatic childhood you have this ability so you
understand compassion, like to the depth and honesty and love
(33:12):
that is so important, like really understand what true love is, right,
and I think that the things that we go through
when we're young is to prepare us for that. Does
that make sense?
Speaker 1 (33:28):
It does make sense, And maybe that you're that much
more tuned in because you had those experiences. I definitely
believe that every every experience you have adds to the
amount of empathy that you can feel for other people.
(33:49):
I say, just about every really bad thing that's happened
in my life, like a head on collision that gave
me and your death experience, well, that gave me the
ability now to totally understand what other people who've had
near death experiences felt, even though mine wasn't the extent
that most people who report them have had. Mine was
(34:11):
pretty brief. And this also gives me the ability to
understand the PTSD that comes from being in a head
on collision, like how some people can't drive after that,
whereas you know, I'm more I'm so headstrong. I was like,
I need to hurry up and get a new car.
I got to get back, you know, I want my
(34:32):
freedom back. But I still have freak out moments if
somebody crosses the center line coming toward me. I still
had my issues, but I can relate to those people
on a whole different level now than I ever would
have been. You know, I've always been empathic, but having
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experienced stuff like that myself, now when I meet somebody
who's had that experience more recently is still processing, I
can be there for them.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
It also gives me a different outlook on everything, Like,
you know, like some people are petrified at dying. I mean,
I don't want to die, but I'm not scared of
it either, And it's not the end, like like we
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know it's not the end, like we're just not hearing
enough physical bodies, but we're going to see all these
people again one day, like it's going to be a
little while, or it may not be a little while.
But I just I don't know, I just have a
different outlook on it, like there's more there's it just
(35:50):
doesn't end, Yeah, it just begins differently. Yes, So like
at some times that makes me not very compassionate. This
is the right word.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. My dog's that's okay. But
it's just like to me, it's like a breakup, like
you're going to miss them, like you're gonna you're gonna
miss them, but you're gonna see him again. Yeah it's
gonna hurt. Yes, of course it's gonna hurt. But at
(36:34):
the same time, I don't know. I just know it's
not really over. So sometimes that makes me not very
compassionate in different situations, Like if somebody's child, that's completely different,
like that's just horrific all the way around. But like
if someone's like ninety six years old and they passed,
(36:56):
like I'm less compassionate. You just you're not going to
live forever, Like that's just yeah, not you know, so
I guess sometimes I feel like I'm not very compassionate
because of that. But yeah, I gotta get myself in check.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
I mean I get it when I see somebody who
lived to be almost one hundred past and everybody is like,
oh no, this is absolutely horrible. I'm like, they lived
such a long life, they lived a good life. Can
you think about all the stuff they saw in this
(37:34):
one hundred years. I mean it just they didn't they
didn't have telephones one hundred years ago, Like that's that's
so amazing. I try to focus on that, m you know,
because they also the people that I know that lived
that long they were ready to go. Yeah, So it
doesn't strike me as tragedy when somebody is that old
(37:59):
pass is that's get I get it, because I kind
of feel like it's something you should be celebrating. They
have moved on, they've graduated, yes, on their way to
something better.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Exactly, Yes, exactly. But you know, I guess some people
just don't see it that way. And I accept that too.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Yeah, and I do. I feel bad for people who
are close to them and will miss them in you know,
in their day to day lives and stuff. But when
I like, I guess I'm more talking about you know,
when Betty White passed, she was almost one hundred, or
she had just turned a hundred, I can't remember exactly,
(38:39):
but she was pretty pretty close. Yeah, and it's like
she had an amazing life. Just to think about how
awesome her afterlife has got to be.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. But you know, also
with this ability explains why people are the way they are,
Like I'm trying to figure out how to explain it.
Like sometimes sometimes spirit will slap me in the face
(39:11):
when I'm not looking for it, and they'll show me
things about a person and I'll be like, Oh, that's
why they're like this, Like some people who are really
emotionally detached, well, because spirit showed me what they were
(39:35):
in their past life and why they are living this
life today. It's not that I'm looking for it.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
A lot.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
It just slaps me in the face sometimes, you know,
like like say somebody and actually this is a real experience.
One day I was meditating and all of a sudden,
Spirit hit me in the face with somebody I know
that was a Chinese warrior in their past life, and
(40:11):
I'm googling it. I'm trying to figure out what year,
what kind of warrior this person was, because I didn't know,
but I remember seeing the uniform. Yeah, and so I
came to it was a Chinese. He was a Chinese warrior,
and this life emotionally doesn't have a clue, like just
(40:33):
doesn't get it. And I'm not saying that in a
negative way. I'm saying that like in a detached way,
like he just doesn't understand why people feel what they feel.
And in this life he's also a master in Taekwondah. Yeah. Yeah,
(41:00):
so it all made sense to me. And of course
this is somebody who's close to me.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
I was like, this.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Explains why you have such a hard time understanding other
people's emotions. Yeah, because in your past life you were
told what to think, you were told how to feel,
and you're learning in this life how to have emotions
like the average person. And that's why you're living the life.
(41:32):
You're living in this life because you chose it. You
wanted to know what it was like to.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
Have normal.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Functioning, like because he's always looking like should I feel
this way? Is it okay to feel this way?
Speaker 3 (41:50):
You know?
Speaker 2 (41:51):
That's why I could explain it like he can't trust
his own feelings.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
Means he needs outside validation.
Speaker 5 (41:58):
Yes, yeah, yes, I'm like, well this makes perfect sense now. Yeah,
I guess talking to you more about it, I'm really
interned with it.
Speaker 3 (42:13):
Yeah you are, and like, wow, you.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
Know, talking to because I don't have anyone to talk
to about this stuff. But thank you, thank you so much.
It made me realize some more things about myself. I
really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
Oh, I'm glad to give you the opportunity, and I'm
glad you came on to talk about it.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
But yeah, I guess that's how I know things from spirit.
Like sometimes sometimes I'll know things, but I don't know
why I know them.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
I just know them.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
Like I knew before the pandemic pandemic was going to happen.
I knew something horrific was going to happen and many
people were going to die. And I got that from
somebody's uh, what do you call it?
Speaker 3 (43:06):
Guide?
Speaker 2 (43:07):
Spirit guide?
Speaker 3 (43:08):
Yeah, and that spirit guide.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Was never human, that spirit guide was never human. But
and I that I don't understand, Like, how is it
some spirit guides have never been human? Like I don't
I don't understand that. Maybe one day I'll figure it out.
Maybe I'll never figure it out. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (43:28):
But he told me that.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
Many, many, many people were going to die and something
horrific was going to happen, like like in a huge mass.
But how I took it was I took it as Okay,
we may have like a really bad hurricane or a
bad tornado. I had no idea it was going to
be the pandemic.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
Yeh. At the time, my daughter was dating this boy
who whose brother was in China before it came here.
He came over one day He's like, yeah, my brother
had to leave China because of some virus and I'm like,
what's your brother doing in China? And he's like, he's
(44:23):
teaching English and I'm like, oh, and he had to
leave because of a virus. He said, yeah, I said,
Mark my words, that is not an accent. That was
done on purpose that I don't know, just they tell
me these things. Yeah, but anyway, am I rambling? I'm sorry, No,
(44:44):
that's okay.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
You're sharing your sharing experiences, which is what the podcast
is all about, so it's all good.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
That's not political, by the way.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
That is strictly so, yeah, that was that was an
experience you had, and there's You're not trying to say
anything beyond that.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
Trying to be political in any way, my promise.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
It's okay. It's it's really hard to talk about life
without potentially sideswiping politics. So I try to say I'm
off it on the show. But when you have an
experience like that, that's you can't help it. That's just
part of it.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
Yeah, But I just I just it's weird how sometimes
spirit just tells me things and I'm not looking for it,
pap in my head and like, hey, this is what's
going on, and sometimes it takes me a minute. I'm like,
wait a minute, who is that. I swear to you,
I'm not insane. I'm just I just know it's spirit
(45:44):
sometimes telling me things. They only tell you what they
want you to know. What you want, what you want
to know, right, some things are secret.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
Yes, it's also I think what you need, what you
need to know. I mean, I want to know if
I'm going to win the lottery and what day to
play it if I am going to win that I'm
not good at. But that's not something I need to.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
Know that I'm not good at.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
Believe me, I've had that's it.
Speaker 3 (46:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:23):
I if we were meant to know those things, all
the psyche aches would be rich. And that's just not
something we're supposed to know.
Speaker 2 (46:33):
Yeah, and I think that, and I'm not putting I'm
not putting anybody down for this, but I also don't
think we're supposed to get rich off of this. It's
I think it's a gift. Yeah. Now, if I understand,
some people take donations, which is fine, but like somebody
(46:55):
said to me one day, they're like, oh, you should
like charge people for readings. I'm like, no, I don't
want no, because, uh, that's to me, it's just bad
uh bad energy, Like I don't think, I know, I'm
not gonna do that. Just I'm thankful for the gift
that I have the ability I have, but I'm not
(47:17):
going to start doing that. I I know I'm blessed
and I'm going to get exactly what I need. So
I'm not I'm not gonna I don't want that karma
on me. I just I don't think that's a good thing.
But again, I'm not putting anybody down who does it.
It's that's just my feeling, right, So sorry for rambling again.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
Okay, did you have any other experiences you wanted to share.
Speaker 2 (47:59):
I like it. I don't know why, but I feel
like this is important. Like I feel like somebody needs
to hear this. Okay, when I was a little girl,
I had this. I mean I'm talking four years old,
five years old, Like I didn't know anything about religion.
(48:24):
Of course I knew of the devil and God, but
other than that, I didn't I knew nothing about religion.
But anyway, I just feel like this has to be told.
Speaker 3 (48:37):
I don't know why, okay, but.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
When I was a little girl, I had this huge fear, huge, huge,
huge fear. I couldn't sleep at night. I'd stay up crying,
I couldn't go to sleep, that the devil was trying
to get me. And it went on for like months,
(49:03):
and my mom didn't understand it. Of course I didn't
talk about that stuff with my dad, but like nobody
understood it, Like nobody understood why I had this huge fear.
It's not like we went to church like ever. Yeah,
but I had this huge fear, like I couldn't sleep
(49:24):
at night. I just felt like he was trying to
get me, you know, as a little girl. That's how
I took it. Now looking at it, was probably a bad.
Speaker 3 (49:34):
Spirit.
Speaker 2 (49:34):
But so one night I got up, I was sick,
I had some kind of virus. I don't know what
was wrong with me. And I went into the bathroom
and I was again scared to death that the devil
was trying to get me. And then I looked up
(49:55):
in the corner of my bathroom and I saw three angels. Yes,
and I find it fascinating that it was three. Looking
back at it now, I find it fascinating it was three.
And of course they were dressed like how you would
commercially see angels, you know, with the halo the white
(50:17):
and I looked up and I saw them and I
never had that fear again went away.
Speaker 1 (50:28):
You knew you were.
Speaker 2 (50:29):
Protected, yes, but I didn't realize that until I was
much older. Yeah, that that was going on. So this
is funny how life works. But I don't know why
I felt the need to say that. I just felt
like I needed to. Maybe somebody else is going through.
Speaker 1 (50:47):
It, yeah, or they have a child going through it.
Speaker 2 (50:52):
Yeah, because children they do see stuff.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
I just got chills. So yeah, you were definitely supposed
to share that story. And that's the thing, like, you
don't know who's listening to this podcast. I've got listeners,
you know, mostly in America, but I've got listeners in
Estonia and Peru, in Australia and Italy, and so you
(51:17):
you don't know who's listening. And I feel like, especially
when I'm talking to other psychics that you know, we
we get the urge to say the things that we
say for a reason. A lot of times I feel
like I'm rambling too, and sometimes I really am, and
sometimes it's because I'm getting this this this information that
(51:41):
I'm like, Okay, this is supposed to be coming out
of my mouth. Right now, even though this is not
what I was planning on talking about. So, yeah, I'm
sure that was meant for somebody.
Speaker 2 (51:53):
Times I feel like certain conversations I did not expect
to go a certain way was something that they needed.
It was something that they needed, and I don't feel
like sometimes that's me. I feel like I'm being guided. Yeah,
because even I say things, I'm like, where did that
(52:13):
come from?
Speaker 5 (52:14):
You know?
Speaker 2 (52:15):
But I mean, I'm happy. It took me a while
to get here, but I'm happy. Did I have this ability?
Very happy?
Speaker 3 (52:26):
So I.
Speaker 2 (52:28):
Especially in my line of work.
Speaker 1 (52:30):
Yeah, So I do you have like, kind of along
the lines of what we just said, do you have
any advice for somebody who's maybe having similar experiences to
you that haven't it hasn't really come to grips with
(52:53):
being comfortable with it yet.
Speaker 2 (52:57):
Actually, there's a lot of people out there who aren't
comfortable with it, and I feel bad for them because
it's it's like a secret that you have to hold
down and it doesn't allow you to be free within yourself.
And that is the most one of the most horrific
things you have to live with is not being free
(53:19):
with yourself. Accept it, accept it, learn pay trust yourself,
Trust yourself. That's so important. And at the end of
(53:39):
the day, you're helping others and there's always going to
be somebody that's going to be like, oh, they're they're crazy,
they're this. Then that that's because they're scared of it
and you are protected. Yeah, you know that whole war
(54:02):
war of good and evil. You know, I'm not saying
that people saying that you're crazy evil, Right, it's a blessing.
It's a blessing to be able to help others. And
at the end of the day, nobody really cares. They're
going to say things, but at the end of the
(54:25):
day when they go home, they don't really care. They're
going to go go home, have dinner with their family,
decide is it going to be slappy Joe's tonight, while isagna?
You know, yeah, they're not going to really care unless
there's something really wrong with them that nobody really cares.
And people are always going to come and go in
your life, and maybe they just don't need to be
(54:46):
in it. No, don't yeah, yeah, don't wish anybody harm,
But sometimes people just don't need to be in it.
And everything happens for a reason everything I agree, like
meeting you that was meant to be.
Speaker 1 (55:09):
I definitely agree on that one.
Speaker 2 (55:13):
But yeah, just set yourself free. That's the best thing
I can say is set yourself free. It's one of
the best feelings in the world to not have to
carry a secret. That's one of the best feelings.
Speaker 1 (55:33):
Amen to that. Oh all right, thank you so much
for coming on the show.
Speaker 2 (55:43):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (55:46):
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Speaker 2 (57:59):
Because the.
Speaker 6 (58:02):
Adding come, don't they.
Speaker 7 (58:14):
Become, but when they're to be my own secus the seven.
Speaker 4 (58:29):
Second said, I said as.
Speaker 7 (58:41):
Ada say the stiff pass stistick
Speaker 2 (59:17):
STI
Evidential mediumship means a person has the ability to receive
messages from the other side. On this episode, you'll meet
Jessica and hear about her experiences with this gift. Welcome
(00:43):
to the Peak Podcast. I'm your host, Nicole Morock, and
I'm grateful you're here. The two big ideas behind the
Peak Podcast are to show that the paranormal is more
normal than most people think, and to connect the science
to the side, including esp psychokinesis and intuition. Okay, my
little experiment with the last episode gave me a message
(01:05):
loud and clear, stick to the paranormal. Got it? In
case you missed it. I didn't want to skip publishing
an episode because I was too busy meeting a deadline
for my novel in progress, so I shared a song
that I wrote the lyrics to and very few people
downloaded it, so I won't make that mistake again. Moving on,
(01:27):
this week, we are fully back into the paranormal. As
I introduce you to Jessica. We are keeping her identity
a secret, and I think you'll understand why once you
hear about her experiences. I know Jessica personally, and I
invited her on the show because she has a gift.
Without going into family details, a great grandmother who passed
(01:49):
before I was born, decided that I needed a message
and she provided it through Jessica. A member of my
family who knew this grandparent well confirmed the details provided
and that's good enough for me. So what's it like
to talk to the dad? I'll let her describe it
in her own words. Let's dive in with Jessica. Hi, Jessica,
(02:13):
how are you doing today?
Speaker 2 (02:14):
I'm well, how are you?
Speaker 1 (02:16):
I'm great. I am really thankful that you are on
the show and here to share your paranormal experiences. And
I'm going to start off with asking what is the
first paranormal experience that you remember.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
When I was about twenty years old, after my grandmother died,
I was in a very toxic relationship, and shortly after
she died, she came to me and my dreams, and
it was different than most dreams because she came to
(02:59):
me like I felt something coming to me, but I
didn't know what, but I knew it was important, Like
I was in that a sleep but not a sleep state,
and so I felt I felt someone's presence like coming
to me, and then she just appeared and she was
(03:20):
sitting in the autumn and that she always had in
her bedroom. And she didn't look like she did when
she died. She looked like it was like in her
best time of her life, like when she was in
her forties. And I remember saying to myself in my sleep,
pay attention to everything she says, wow and uh. And
(03:40):
I did, But of course I forgot a lot of it.
But I knew the gist of the conversation.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
And that was it.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
And I woke up very confused. So that was my
first Yeah, and then do you want to know how
like I became a medium or like how that started.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Or yeah, well that was if that was your first experience,
when was like how long was it before you had
another experience or did you start to seek out those
experiences years?
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Because my mom, my mom was an astrologist, a psychic,
a least call it bitch. I mean, she was a
wreki healer, she was, you know, a tarot card reader.
She was everything. But and then like a few months
after she passed away, I said to her, I said, Ma,
how come we used to call a mo I'm like,
how come we don't hear from you at all? And
(04:39):
then later on that night, I was going to sleep
and again and that halfway stay, I felt like something
just hit me on the back of my head and
I was confused for a minute, but nothing did like
it felt like it, but it didn't. It's the best
way to explain it. And then I remember like peeking
(04:59):
up at in my bed and I was like waiting
for my sister because she was in the living room
because my daughter was a baby at the time, helping
me with my baby, and waiting for my sister to
respond to that big bang I heard and nothing, nothing,
And then I hear my mom say, and I hear
my mom say.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
What do I gotta do?
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Hit you in the back of the hud That is
something my mom would totally say, you know, So that
would be the second time I didn't really And then
after that, like my grandmother would come to me, my
other grandmother would come to me in my sleep state
(05:42):
and talk to me about important things that was happening,
and she told me basically not to stress. And I
had to do with her passing and dividence of all
her stuff. Yeah, and then nothing until like years later,
(06:07):
I was just hanging out with my friends and they
were talking about their parents who had passed away, and
I was like, you know what, I feel like, I
feel like I can do this. Like I don't know why.
I just was like, I think I can. So this
man comes through and I'm seeing like this man not physically,
(06:30):
but like I don't see the whole person. I just
see bits and pieces, okay. And I remember talking to
him and asking him, I'm like, how come you won't
show me one side of your face? And I remember
asking him. Nobody else knew I was asking him this
question and I'm like, how come you won't show me
(06:50):
one side of your face? And then I said to
my friend, I was like, your dad refuses to show
me one side of his face and he said, well,
because he had a cycle wreck years ago and that
one side of his face was all messed up. M
And what I learned from that was when I'm giving
a reading, they I'm just like the vessel they go through. Right,
(07:16):
nothing's going to make sense to me. It's not supposed
to do. It's supposed to make sense to them. But
it's it's things that they say that only they would.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Know, right, that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
So they have confirmation of who it is. And then
sometimes when people want to reading the same person, the
person that they want and the person they need isn't
the same. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Yeah, I've heard that before.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
So and then my my other friend that was there,
I was giving her a reading from her dad and
I'm like, what is what this yellow rose? Like, he
keeps showing me this yellow rose, and she's like, I
don't know. And then she's like, oh, I always put
(08:09):
a black rose on his gray, but one particular time
they only had yellow. Aw so that was again showing Yeah.
And then sometimes some spirit is really intense, really intense,
like I don't have to go looking for it at all,
and uh, yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
I don't know if well, so I have well, first
an observation. So when you are able to give people
some information that there is no way you should know
and specific to their just cease left one, that's called
evidential mediumship, I believe. And so because you can give
(08:55):
them evidence that you're actually talking to who you're talking
to and you're not just doing a cold reading of
some sort, and that's impressive. A lot of people can't
do that.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
It's a lot that I still don't understand because I've
had no training, but it's like I've had nobody to
talk to about it or guide me with it. So
like I'm just assuming that these little things like telling
somebody that somebody showing me a blue bird, you know,
like I have no idea what that means, right, but
(09:28):
that the other person that I'm giving the reading to
you knows exactly what that means because they had a
blue bird when they were young, or a certain stuff
animal that they had. The hardest was a little girl.
That was the hardest one. It ripped my heart out
because the mom didn't want the reading, and the little
(09:51):
girl was just harping on me, harping on me, harping
on me, and telling me all specific things, and it
was basically because she didn't want her mom to hurt. Yeah,
I mean, of course you're you know, as a mother,
you're gonna hurt. But I think that was the hardest one.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
So did so you Did you tell the mother what
she needed to hear or did you give up?
Speaker 2 (10:17):
I had to go through a third party because I
didn't know her very well. It was like an extended
family member, and I, you know, I just didn't want
to show up at her doorstep and be like, hey,
I'm like this medium, you don't know me.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
I'm yah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
So I had to go through like a third party,
and the third party was like, she's just not ready
for it. She's not wanting it, like, but she's telling me,
and I don't remember it now. I'm like, but she's
telling me, even the stuffed animals she carried, you know, yeah,
telling me like she really wants to give this reading
to her mom. Like she even told me where she lived,
(10:55):
like where her mom lived, like, and I took my
daughter there one day cause I didn't want to freaking
buddy out. I'm like, is this where so and so lives?
And she's like, yeah, how did you know? I'm like
because she told me, yeah, you know, but that that
was the hardest one that would because she she wouldn't
let up. And I felt really bad about it. But
(11:16):
you can't force it on people if they don't want it.
They don't want it, right.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Even though and I could see, I mean, there's so
many different ways of grieving and stages of grief that
I could see how somebody would maybe have a have
a hard time. It's if it's too soon, but that
it should be comforting if you get that kind of
detail from somebody who hardly knows you, saying your daughter
(11:41):
is okay, you know, like she's she's in a good place.
But if you haven't dealt with grief yet, then I
could see how it could also be really disconcerting too,
if it's not something you're seeking out.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Well, sometimes two people are very skeptical mm hmm, people
who have disability. And I don't call it a gift.
I call it an ability because with disability also comes
with some downfalls, you know, So I call it an ability,
not a gift.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
So do you open yourself up to it like when
somebody asks you about it, or you just open all
the time.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
So I used to be open to it all the time,
but I've learned to and I can't tell you how
I do it, but I've learned to close it good.
But around the holidays, everybody wants to get a reading out,
everybody wants to give something, you know, like from the
(12:45):
other side. Yeah, and it's usually towards my clients. But
other than around the holidays, I've learned how to close
that door.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
It was.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
It wasn't easy at first. I didn't know how. You know,
it's like once I opened up the gate it was
flooding through.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Yeah, and it was.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
It was too much. It was really too much. So
I just I don't know how to explain how I
closed it, but I just closed it.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Yeah, well it's good. It's some people have visualizations for it,
like I have one. I just call walls up or
shields up. Basically, I just picture walls going up around
my head so I'm blocking everything out.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Yeah, it's like, yeah, it's like that. But some of them,
they're very persistent. Some of them are very persistent, and
some of them are actually shy. Oh really, yeah, some
of them are. It's like, in some ways it's true
(13:57):
what they say, don't you're your personality is a lot
of the same of when you were here. However, they're
doing work on the other side, like I believe that
everything's a choice everything, like you can improve yourself even
on the other side. And I had this one spirit
(14:23):
just floating, not floating, not literally floating, but hanging around
me for days, and I could tell it he was
I knew it was a male, but and I knew that.
I'm like, why are you floating around me for days?
Like what is it you want? Like he was timid,
you know. And so he finally started coming through, and
(14:48):
the first thing I saw was his four arms, and
he had a tattoo on one of his four arms.
It was a big cross, and I could tell the
skin was Hispanic. So I immediately called my daughter's father,
because you know, he's a Mexican, and I'm like, do
(15:10):
you know anybody with a cross tattoo on their four
arms that passed? And he thought a minute, and he's like, yeah,
that's Ry and that was his brother in law that
was murdered years ago. And you know, he explained to
me the tattoo that he showed me his tattoo under
(15:30):
his eye, and he was very proud of his teeth.
And I was like, these are the things that spirit
shows me, you know. Yeah, and it's again to confirm
it's this person, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Yeah, So.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Basically his message was, well, I don't want to talk
about his message because I think it's really perfect.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Yeah, that's fine, but.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
He he struggled like he wanted to do better, like
he knew he didn't do so great in his life
and that he was trying to improve himself in the afterlife.
So and that is one of the things that confirmed
to me that. And some people may get mad at
(16:23):
me for saying this, and I'm okay with it, but
I don't believe what we are taught is accurate like
what they taught us in the Bible, or you're going
to hell. I don't believe there is a hell. You know.
(16:46):
I've seen people that you know, they think it's like
judgment day, But even when you pass over, it's not
judgment day. It's a choice. Everything is a choice. You
can choose to improve yourself or you can choose not
to improve yourself, but that's gonna affect your soul, and
(17:10):
it's not I don't believe there's a hell, like I
just you're not gonna sit in the fires of hell
like there's just isn't one. There just isn't. And that's
okay if anybody wants to disagree with me, everybody's entitled
to believe whatever they want. But I'm just going by
my experiences with the people who have passed. I think
(17:34):
you have lessons even when you pass and there's different levels.
Like when I noticed after my sister passed, I could
reach out to her more. She's more accessible than my mom,
like my mom, I can't reach her. It's like I
(17:55):
don't I don't know how to explain it. And of
course they don't always come when you want them to,
but I don't know how to. I don't know how
to explain. It's like a whole different level of my
mom's on, Like she's harder to reach. That's the best
way I can explain it.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Yeah, and maybe she's doing some other, some other type
of work.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
On the other side.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
I think she is knowing her yeah is, and I
think she's preparing herself to something bigger.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
And to me, all of this is there's a message
of hope in there, because yeah, if there's if there's
no hell, and I'm kind of I'm of the thought
that hell is something we create on our own.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
So you know, if you if you are dead set
on believing that you are going to be in hell
when you die, and you get over to the other
side and you're miserable you created that, like you were saying,
it's a choice. But if you get over to the
other side and you're like, ooh, I kind of messed up.
I wish I hadn't you get you get the opportunity
(19:14):
to to work on that and you know you're better yourself,
like you said, yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
And you also have the opportunity of not working on it.
And I think that's where bad spirit comes in.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
That's I believe. It's all a choice. Everything's a choice,
even on this earth. If you feel like you're living
in hell, well you are because that's what you create.
You don't want to do, but you don't want to
find the good in anything. H So that's creating your
own hell. And I believe that's the same even when
you go to the other side. If you don't want
(19:51):
to do better, then you're creating your own hell.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Yeah, it's not it's not a place. It's not like
Haiti's and fire and Brimstone unless that's what you want
to create for yourself. Not why anybody would want to
do that. So yeah, I definitely agree there.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
So when you are getting messages you said you don't
you don't always like fully see somebody, But are you?
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Are you?
Speaker 1 (20:25):
How am I saying this? Okay, we'll talk about hearing.
So when you hear them, do you hear them as
if they are outside of you? Or because I get
things intuitively, so I don't necessarily hear voices. I just
get words that are super persistent, and I finally have
to say them out loud, like does this make sense
(20:48):
to anybody in the room kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
I do get that, and then sometimes I also feel
their words, Like that's the best way to explain it, okay,
is I feel their words. I don't know how else
to explain it. I don't ever physically hear them speaking, okay,
Like ever.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Yeah, And I only ask that because everybody has a
different way of I used to hear the spirits, and
I shut that down because when you're sitting in a
quiet place and it sounds like somebody is whispering in
your left ear and there's nobody there, it's a little
too intense for me. So it's one of the things
I do not allow.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
I think sometimes when not every time, but I think
sometimes when people say that they're hearing voices, they write
that off is mentally ill. I don't think that's always
the case. It's not.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
There actually was a study done by Yale, and I
covered it in one of my earlier episodes called the
Yale Cope Project, and what they were doing was doing
surveys and interviews with people like us and who have
been able to hear those voices at some point, so
(22:09):
people like me who learned to shut it down, and
it's to understand how basically psychics I'm still like I
still have trouble with that word. Basically how psychics experience
the experiences that we have, and then applying how we've
(22:31):
learned to shut that down to people who actually do
have a mental illness that causes them to hear voices.
So they're trying to learn from us how to help
them shut their voices down, even though they may not
be from the same type of source.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
I had somebody that went through that years ago who
was hearing voices and has no recollection of it.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Now.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
No, wow, they the spirit was telling my family member
to hurt me.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Oh that's not good.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
No, it's not so. But I didn't. I'm that because
that wasn't the first time.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
I felt like somebody wanted to hurt me from the
other side. But looking back at it now, I feel
like some spirit on the other side does not like
us to have disability. I don't know why. At that part,
(23:40):
I don't know, like, why why wouldn't they right? It
want us to give somebody some a blessing. I call
it a blessing, But why why would they want to
shut that down? Like I don't understand that.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
I don't either. I had one client of my paranormal
investigation group several years ago tell me, and we weren't
sure if she was actually having paranormal experiences or if
it was mental illness. And I'm not qualified to make
that decision, so we referred her to a psychologist who
(24:19):
kind of specializes in that stuff, and she actually went.
But she told me, and like the first time we
visited with her, she told me that the guy that
she thought was trying to possess her was telling her
to kill me. And I just said, I'm I'm not
worried about that, and she said why, and I pointed
(24:41):
to the cross on my neck. I said, I'm protected,
and that shut the conversation down. But I don't know
if that was, like I said, mental illness or a
paranormal thing that was going on. I didn't totally feel
like there was a paranormal thing going on, but when
she said that, there was a little, you know, a
little extra tension in the air.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Well.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
The person that was telling me this was a child.
Oh and unfortunately they went into the hospital because I
didn't know what to do with it. I didn't realize
at the time that's what was happening. But then back
now I can tell it was a paranormal thing because
(25:27):
this child has told me things before that the average
person wouldn't understand. Okay, does that make sense? Yeah? They
just feel like something negative is around them. And it
was all around that time. Do you know what I mean?
(25:49):
Like that person would be like, I feel really uncomfortable
right now. I feel really uncomfortable right now, Like I
feel like things watching me. But at the time I
didn't realize that. But shortly after I started doing some
(26:14):
protection work for that person.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
That's good.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Yeah, and I of course didn't know what I was doing.
Of course told me like I wish my mom had
been more open with it with me, right so she
could have guided me, but she she just wasn't, And
it was probably because I don't know, she had her
own reasons. Yeah, I don't know, but I know I
(26:43):
got it from my mom. I know now.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Do you think anybody else in your house or family
has it?
Speaker 3 (26:52):
I do.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
I do. The same person that was having that experience,
that would make sense. But I think it's going to
take a little while because they have other things going on,
and I think they're too young, really still too really
(27:17):
what's the word trust themselves? Does that make sense?
Speaker 1 (27:23):
It does make sense. I would guess since you would
have liked to have had somebody give you more guidance
early on that when that person comes to you, you'll
be able to do that.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
For I got a little freak that. But you know what,
I've noticed God always gave me what I needed, not
what I wanted. And even when I was first learning
it at the time, I had someone in my life
that was very biblical, so she would help me a
(28:00):
little bit as far as like what do I do
when I see a negative spirit and unclean spirit? Like
what do I do? Like it would freak me out? Yeah, yeah,
you know. She would just say, just say, you stand
behind me. I walk with God. You stand behind me,
I walk with God. And it worked. It worked so
(28:24):
but so now I'm not really scared anymore. That's good.
It doesn't scare me anymore. A really very young age
that I was protected.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
That that faith, that knowledge makes such a difference in
how you deal with them. When they come over.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
And you know what's funny is because I had no
guidance with this spirit led me mm hmm this, you know,
it's just it's funny, like I didn't need to take
a class. I didn't, you know. I just I know
that I'm loved, I know I'm protected, and I know that. Uh.
(29:08):
It's a it's a it's an honor to be able
to help people put their minds at ease. It is.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
It's an honor, it is, and I'm I'm so glad
you feel that way because some people spend their whole
life thinking that it's a nightmare or you know, a
horrible thing to have, because they haven't found the way
to use it for the good.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Everybody has the ability. Everybody has the ability. It's just
trusting yourself. And that's really what, in my opinion, that's
really what it boils down to. It's just trusting what
you what you see. But you know, we've been taught
at a very young age like, oh, you're crazy. If
you're seeing this, you're crazy. You're crazy, And so people
don't want to talk about they don't want to share it.
(30:01):
They don't because they're scared of how people are going
to react, right, And.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
That's that's why I do this podcast, because I want
to be one of the people who helps reduce that stigma.
Like if we could get rid of it altogether, and
this is just be a normal conversation that you could
have on the street in front of anyone and not
worry about what people think about you, all the better.
(30:29):
And at this point I've thrown out the window what
people think about me. I don't care obviously, because I'm
doing this podcast and my name's on it.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
I've at that age too.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
It's like God made me this way, this is who
I'm going to be.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Yeah, now now I embrace Now, I embrace it. But
at first I didn't. At first I didn't because people
look at you funny, they treat you funny. They they
get freaked out sometimes, you know, like even reeting is
like so accurate and it gives them exactly things that
(31:07):
I wouldn't possibly know. Some people still get freaked out
by it. Yeah, I've learned to be okay with that.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Yeah, because you can't control it. I mean, you can't
control how people to respond to you, and even people
who ask for that kind of information when you give
it to them and you give it to them so accurately,
they still could get freaked out over it because they
just were not expecting you to be that good at it.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Yeah, it does, it freaks it does some people. But
what I don't understand is that we're protected, Like if
you use it the right way, we're protected, and they're protected.
You know, we know how to protect them. And I
think a lot of people don't understand that. Yeah, maybe
(32:02):
one day they will. Maybe one day they will, I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
I hope so. And sometimes it just takes them having
their own experience, their own moment of enlightenment.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Before they realize that.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
And some people never will realize that we all have
our own journeys.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Yeah, this is true. This is true. Some people just
can't they're just too scared of it. But I think
that I think a lot of people have this ability,
have had traumatic childhoods, and I'm thankful for it now.
(32:49):
I mean, of course I wasn't thankful for it growing up,
but I think you have to have something traumatic or
have a traumatic childhood you have this ability so you
understand compassion, like to the depth and honesty and love
(33:12):
that is so important, like really understand what true love is, right,
and I think that the things that we go through
when we're young is to prepare us for that. Does
that make sense?
Speaker 1 (33:28):
It does make sense, And maybe that you're that much
more tuned in because you had those experiences. I definitely
believe that every every experience you have adds to the
amount of empathy that you can feel for other people.
(33:49):
I say, just about every really bad thing that's happened
in my life, like a head on collision that gave
me and your death experience, well, that gave me the
ability now to totally understand what other people who've had
near death experiences felt, even though mine wasn't the extent
that most people who report them have had. Mine was
(34:11):
pretty brief. And this also gives me the ability to
understand the PTSD that comes from being in a head
on collision, like how some people can't drive after that,
whereas you know, I'm more I'm so headstrong. I was like,
I need to hurry up and get a new car.
I got to get back, you know, I want my
(34:32):
freedom back. But I still have freak out moments if
somebody crosses the center line coming toward me. I still
had my issues, but I can relate to those people
on a whole different level now than I ever would
have been. You know, I've always been empathic, but having
(34:55):
experienced stuff like that myself, now when I meet somebody
who's had that experience more recently is still processing, I
can be there for them.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
It also gives me a different outlook on everything, Like,
you know, like some people are petrified at dying. I mean,
I don't want to die, but I'm not scared of
it either, And it's not the end, like like we
(35:28):
know it's not the end, like we're just not hearing
enough physical bodies, but we're going to see all these
people again one day, like it's going to be a
little while, or it may not be a little while.
But I just I don't know, I just have a
different outlook on it, like there's more there's it just
(35:50):
doesn't end, Yeah, it just begins differently. Yes, So like
at some times that makes me not very compassionate. This
is the right word.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. My dog's that's okay. But
it's just like to me, it's like a breakup, like
you're going to miss them, like you're gonna you're gonna
miss them, but you're gonna see him again. Yeah it's
gonna hurt. Yes, of course it's gonna hurt. But at
(36:34):
the same time, I don't know. I just know it's
not really over. So sometimes that makes me not very
compassionate in different situations, Like if somebody's child, that's completely different,
like that's just horrific all the way around. But like
if someone's like ninety six years old and they passed,
(36:56):
like I'm less compassionate. You just you're not going to
live forever, Like that's just yeah, not you know, so
I guess sometimes I feel like I'm not very compassionate
because of that. But yeah, I gotta get myself in check.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
I mean I get it when I see somebody who
lived to be almost one hundred past and everybody is like,
oh no, this is absolutely horrible. I'm like, they lived
such a long life, they lived a good life. Can
you think about all the stuff they saw in this
(37:34):
one hundred years. I mean it just they didn't they
didn't have telephones one hundred years ago, Like that's that's
so amazing. I try to focus on that, m you know,
because they also the people that I know that lived
that long they were ready to go. Yeah, So it
doesn't strike me as tragedy when somebody is that old
(37:59):
pass is that's get I get it, because I kind
of feel like it's something you should be celebrating. They
have moved on, they've graduated, yes, on their way to
something better.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Exactly, Yes, exactly. But you know, I guess some people
just don't see it that way. And I accept that too.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Yeah, and I do. I feel bad for people who
are close to them and will miss them in you know,
in their day to day lives and stuff. But when
I like, I guess I'm more talking about you know,
when Betty White passed, she was almost one hundred, or
she had just turned a hundred, I can't remember exactly,
(38:39):
but she was pretty pretty close. Yeah, and it's like
she had an amazing life. Just to think about how
awesome her afterlife has got to be.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. But you know, also
with this ability explains why people are the way they are,
Like I'm trying to figure out how to explain it.
Like sometimes sometimes spirit will slap me in the face
(39:11):
when I'm not looking for it, and they'll show me
things about a person and I'll be like, Oh, that's
why they're like this, Like some people who are really
emotionally detached, well, because spirit showed me what they were
(39:35):
in their past life and why they are living this
life today. It's not that I'm looking for it.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
A lot.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
It just slaps me in the face sometimes, you know,
like like say somebody and actually this is a real experience.
One day I was meditating and all of a sudden,
Spirit hit me in the face with somebody I know
that was a Chinese warrior in their past life, and
(40:11):
I'm googling it. I'm trying to figure out what year,
what kind of warrior this person was, because I didn't know,
but I remember seeing the uniform. Yeah, and so I
came to it was a Chinese. He was a Chinese warrior,
and this life emotionally doesn't have a clue, like just
(40:33):
doesn't get it. And I'm not saying that in a
negative way. I'm saying that like in a detached way,
like he just doesn't understand why people feel what they feel.
And in this life he's also a master in Taekwondah. Yeah. Yeah,
(41:00):
so it all made sense to me. And of course
this is somebody who's close to me.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
I was like, this.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Explains why you have such a hard time understanding other
people's emotions. Yeah, because in your past life you were
told what to think, you were told how to feel,
and you're learning in this life how to have emotions
like the average person. And that's why you're living the life.
(41:32):
You're living in this life because you chose it. You
wanted to know what it was like to.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
Have normal.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Functioning, like because he's always looking like should I feel
this way? Is it okay to feel this way?
Speaker 3 (41:50):
You know?
Speaker 2 (41:51):
That's why I could explain it like he can't trust
his own feelings.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
Means he needs outside validation.
Speaker 5 (41:58):
Yes, yeah, yes, I'm like, well this makes perfect sense now. Yeah,
I guess talking to you more about it, I'm really
interned with it.
Speaker 3 (42:13):
Yeah you are, and like, wow, you.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
Know, talking to because I don't have anyone to talk
to about this stuff. But thank you, thank you so much.
It made me realize some more things about myself. I
really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
Oh, I'm glad to give you the opportunity, and I'm
glad you came on to talk about it.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
But yeah, I guess that's how I know things from spirit.
Like sometimes sometimes I'll know things, but I don't know
why I know them.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
I just know them.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
Like I knew before the pandemic pandemic was going to happen.
I knew something horrific was going to happen and many
people were going to die. And I got that from
somebody's uh, what do you call it?
Speaker 3 (43:06):
Guide?
Speaker 2 (43:07):
Spirit guide?
Speaker 3 (43:08):
Yeah, and that spirit guide.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Was never human, that spirit guide was never human. But
and I that I don't understand, Like, how is it
some spirit guides have never been human? Like I don't
I don't understand that. Maybe one day I'll figure it out.
Maybe I'll never figure it out. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (43:28):
But he told me that.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
Many, many, many people were going to die and something
horrific was going to happen, like like in a huge mass.
But how I took it was I took it as Okay,
we may have like a really bad hurricane or a
bad tornado. I had no idea it was going to
be the pandemic.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
Yeh. At the time, my daughter was dating this boy
who whose brother was in China before it came here.
He came over one day He's like, yeah, my brother
had to leave China because of some virus and I'm like,
what's your brother doing in China? And he's like, he's
(44:23):
teaching English and I'm like, oh, and he had to
leave because of a virus. He said, yeah, I said,
Mark my words, that is not an accent. That was
done on purpose that I don't know, just they tell
me these things. Yeah, but anyway, am I rambling? I'm sorry, No,
(44:44):
that's okay.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
You're sharing your sharing experiences, which is what the podcast
is all about, so it's all good.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
That's not political, by the way.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
That is strictly so, yeah, that was that was an
experience you had, and there's You're not trying to say
anything beyond that.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
Trying to be political in any way, my promise.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
It's okay. It's it's really hard to talk about life
without potentially sideswiping politics. So I try to say I'm
off it on the show. But when you have an
experience like that, that's you can't help it. That's just
part of it.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
Yeah, But I just I just it's weird how sometimes
spirit just tells me things and I'm not looking for it,
pap in my head and like, hey, this is what's
going on, and sometimes it takes me a minute. I'm like,
wait a minute, who is that. I swear to you,
I'm not insane. I'm just I just know it's spirit
(45:44):
sometimes telling me things. They only tell you what they
want you to know. What you want, what you want
to know, right, some things are secret.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
Yes, it's also I think what you need, what you
need to know. I mean, I want to know if
I'm going to win the lottery and what day to
play it if I am going to win that I'm
not good at. But that's not something I need to.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
Know that I'm not good at.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
Believe me, I've had that's it.
Speaker 3 (46:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:23):
I if we were meant to know those things, all
the psyche aches would be rich. And that's just not
something we're supposed to know.
Speaker 2 (46:33):
Yeah, and I think that, and I'm not putting I'm
not putting anybody down for this, but I also don't
think we're supposed to get rich off of this. It's
I think it's a gift. Yeah. Now, if I understand,
some people take donations, which is fine, but like somebody
(46:55):
said to me one day, they're like, oh, you should
like charge people for readings. I'm like, no, I don't
want no, because, uh, that's to me, it's just bad
uh bad energy, Like I don't think, I know, I'm
not gonna do that. Just I'm thankful for the gift
that I have the ability I have, but I'm not
(47:17):
going to start doing that. I I know I'm blessed
and I'm going to get exactly what I need. So
I'm not I'm not gonna I don't want that karma
on me. I just I don't think that's a good thing.
But again, I'm not putting anybody down who does it.
It's that's just my feeling, right, So sorry for rambling again.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
Okay, did you have any other experiences you wanted to share.
Speaker 2 (47:59):
I like it. I don't know why, but I feel
like this is important. Like I feel like somebody needs
to hear this. Okay, when I was a little girl,
I had this. I mean I'm talking four years old,
five years old, Like I didn't know anything about religion.
(48:24):
Of course I knew of the devil and God, but
other than that, I didn't I knew nothing about religion.
But anyway, I just feel like this has to be told.
Speaker 3 (48:37):
I don't know why, okay, but.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
When I was a little girl, I had this huge fear, huge, huge,
huge fear. I couldn't sleep at night. I'd stay up crying,
I couldn't go to sleep, that the devil was trying
to get me. And it went on for like months,
(49:03):
and my mom didn't understand it. Of course I didn't
talk about that stuff with my dad, but like nobody
understood it, Like nobody understood why I had this huge fear.
It's not like we went to church like ever. Yeah,
but I had this huge fear, like I couldn't sleep
(49:24):
at night. I just felt like he was trying to
get me, you know, as a little girl. That's how
I took it. Now looking at it, was probably a bad.
Speaker 3 (49:34):
Spirit.
Speaker 2 (49:34):
But so one night I got up, I was sick,
I had some kind of virus. I don't know what
was wrong with me. And I went into the bathroom
and I was again scared to death that the devil
was trying to get me. And then I looked up
(49:55):
in the corner of my bathroom and I saw three angels. Yes,
and I find it fascinating that it was three. Looking
back at it now, I find it fascinating it was three.
And of course they were dressed like how you would
commercially see angels, you know, with the halo the white
(50:17):
and I looked up and I saw them and I
never had that fear again went away.
Speaker 1 (50:28):
You knew you were.
Speaker 2 (50:29):
Protected, yes, but I didn't realize that until I was
much older. Yeah, that that was going on. So this
is funny how life works. But I don't know why
I felt the need to say that. I just felt
like I needed to. Maybe somebody else is going through.
Speaker 1 (50:47):
It, yeah, or they have a child going through it.
Speaker 2 (50:52):
Yeah, because children they do see stuff.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
I just got chills. So yeah, you were definitely supposed
to share that story. And that's the thing, like, you
don't know who's listening to this podcast. I've got listeners,
you know, mostly in America, but I've got listeners in
Estonia and Peru, in Australia and Italy, and so you
(51:17):
you don't know who's listening. And I feel like, especially
when I'm talking to other psychics that you know, we
we get the urge to say the things that we
say for a reason. A lot of times I feel
like I'm rambling too, and sometimes I really am, and
sometimes it's because I'm getting this this this information that
(51:41):
I'm like, Okay, this is supposed to be coming out
of my mouth. Right now, even though this is not
what I was planning on talking about. So, yeah, I'm
sure that was meant for somebody.
Speaker 2 (51:53):
Times I feel like certain conversations I did not expect
to go a certain way was something that they needed.
It was something that they needed, and I don't feel
like sometimes that's me. I feel like I'm being guided. Yeah,
because even I say things, I'm like, where did that
(52:13):
come from?
Speaker 5 (52:14):
You know?
Speaker 2 (52:15):
But I mean, I'm happy. It took me a while
to get here, but I'm happy. Did I have this ability?
Very happy?
Speaker 3 (52:26):
So I.
Speaker 2 (52:28):
Especially in my line of work.
Speaker 1 (52:30):
Yeah, So I do you have like, kind of along
the lines of what we just said, do you have
any advice for somebody who's maybe having similar experiences to
you that haven't it hasn't really come to grips with
(52:53):
being comfortable with it yet.
Speaker 2 (52:57):
Actually, there's a lot of people out there who aren't
comfortable with it, and I feel bad for them because
it's it's like a secret that you have to hold
down and it doesn't allow you to be free within yourself.
And that is the most one of the most horrific
things you have to live with is not being free
(53:19):
with yourself. Accept it, accept it, learn pay trust yourself,
Trust yourself. That's so important. And at the end of
(53:39):
the day, you're helping others and there's always going to
be somebody that's going to be like, oh, they're they're crazy,
they're this. Then that that's because they're scared of it
and you are protected. Yeah, you know that whole war
(54:02):
war of good and evil. You know, I'm not saying
that people saying that you're crazy evil, Right, it's a blessing.
It's a blessing to be able to help others. And
at the end of the day, nobody really cares. They're
going to say things, but at the end of the
(54:25):
day when they go home, they don't really care. They're
going to go go home, have dinner with their family,
decide is it going to be slappy Joe's tonight, while isagna?
You know, yeah, they're not going to really care unless
there's something really wrong with them that nobody really cares.
And people are always going to come and go in
your life, and maybe they just don't need to be
(54:46):
in it. No, don't yeah, yeah, don't wish anybody harm,
But sometimes people just don't need to be in it.
And everything happens for a reason everything I agree, like
meeting you that was meant to be.
Speaker 1 (55:09):
I definitely agree on that one.
Speaker 2 (55:13):
But yeah, just set yourself free. That's the best thing
I can say is set yourself free. It's one of
the best feelings in the world to not have to
carry a secret. That's one of the best feelings.
Speaker 1 (55:33):
Amen to that. Oh all right, thank you so much
for coming on the show.
Speaker 2 (55:43):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (55:46):
Thanks again to Jessica for sharing her story, and thank
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Speaker 2 (57:59):
Because the.
Speaker 6 (58:02):
Adding come, don't they.
Speaker 7 (58:14):
Become, but when they're to be my own secus the seven.
Speaker 4 (58:29):
Second said, I said as.
Speaker 7 (58:41):
Ada say the stiff pass stistick
Speaker 2 (59:17):
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