April 9, 2025 • 41 mins
Artist Heather Eck shares how synesthesia helps her use color and artwork to assist others in their healing journey. Listen to learn how color can help you understand what you need more or less of, how you can use color to enhance your energy in daily life, and even what color to wear to a job interview!
Definition: Synesthesia is a neurological condition where stimulation of one sense triggers experiences in another, like seeing colors when hearing music or tasting flavors when touching objects. Listen to Episode 9 for more information on how it relates to intuitives and psychics.
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Definition: Synesthesia is a neurological condition where stimulation of one sense triggers experiences in another, like seeing colors when hearing music or tasting flavors when touching objects. Listen to Episode 9 for more information on how it relates to intuitives and psychics.
Learn more about Heather and connect with her at https://heathereck.com/
Subscribe to Nicolle’s newsletter, find her books, or book a healing session at https://www.nicollemorock.com/
The talented Mr. Jeremy Moss http://jeremymosscomposer.com/ provides theme music (Listen through the end of the podcast to hear the whole theme song.)
Connect with Nicolle at www.peeppodcast.com and https://www.facebook.com/P.E.E.P.Podcast
Get merchandise at https://www.teepublic.com/user/peep-podcast
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
In episode nine, Christine Simmons More explained how she was
studying the psychic personality and the topic of synesthesia came up.
On this episode, you'll meet an artist with synesthesia who
uses her gifts to help others in a rather unique way.
(00:46):
Welcome to the Peak podcast. I'm your host, Nicole Morock,
and I'm grateful you're here. The two big ideas behind
the Peat podcast are to show that the paranormal is
more normal than most people think, and to connect the
science to the SI, including esp psychokinesis and intuition. Today
we're talking about intuition, color and healing. Before we jump
(01:11):
into this enlightening interview, I want to give you a
quick writing update. I have finished the revisions my developmental
editor suggested, and now I'm awaiting the copy edits, which
are all about fixing typos, misspellings, and grammatical errors. Yes,
all right for a living, but even the pros need
a proofreader, and it's very hard to see your own
(01:32):
mistakes because your brain likes to fill in the blanks
for you. I'm still in the early stages of planning
a Kickstarter to launch this summer. If you haven't heard
of kickstarter, I'll tell you a little bit about it.
It's a crowd funding platform that has become popular with
authors for being able to launch a book in the black.
(01:53):
If the project gathers enough pledges to meet my funding goal,
my backers receive special reports depending on the amount that
they pledge. If the goal is not met, no pledges
are collected and the kickstarter does not fund. This is
not a Go fundme type of charity platform. It's all
(02:14):
about helping creatives get their projects off the ground and
being rewarded for your help. Sign up for my newsletter
to learn more and find out when my launch date
will be. Now back to the program. Heather Ech is
an intuitive artist and spiritual guide who helps clients connect
with their energy through the power of color. Specializing in
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spirit portraits, chakra alignment, and color healing. She channels divine
energy into her artwork, offering personalized insights and transformation. With
a background in visionary art, therapy and energy work, heather
sessions provide clarity, healing, and a deeper understanding of the
soul's journey, whether through a custom spirit portrait or a
(03:00):
guided session. Her work is a portal to self discovery
and empowerment. Let's dive in with Heather. Hi, Heather, how
are you doing tonight?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
I'm doing good. How are you?
Speaker 1 (03:13):
I'm doing great? Thank you. I'm super excited to have
you join me tonight to talk about how you are
helping other people heal through color and art and just
sharing your story with us. And so I want to
get started by asking, like, what is your earliest memory?
(03:37):
What started you on this journey?
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Yeah, you know, it's funny. My family tells a story
of me being probably like two or three, because my
sister would have been in a walker at the time,
and I was using water on one of those old
Crayola coloring books where the water painted the you know,
when you put the water on the page, it turned colors,
and she's fill my water. And that's when I said
(04:01):
my very first curse word. I yelled at her for
messing up my artworks. That was like the earliest Probably
that should have been a big sign, right, but I was.
I was always like a really creative kid. I loved art.
I took cartooning classes. I was always sketching and drawing,
and I would lay on my floor and listen to music.
(04:24):
I love movie soundtracks. And I would listen to soundtracks
and I would draw what the music looked like to
me and the shape that it took. But I didn't
know that that was unusual. I thought that everybody sort
of saw music or had a color or associated it
with a shape or something. But it turns out that
that's not usual. So I have something called synesthesia that
(04:49):
I didn't know, you know, was a It wasn't a
part of my vocabulary until my late thirties early forties.
So I just sort of thought that my attraction to
color and textures and form was just, you know, part
of what everybody thought. And I sort of, you know,
dabbled in creative pursuits up through college and minored in art,
(05:12):
and then found myself in a corporate career where I
was just sort of, you know, the kind of tied
that no amount of time off was going to fix
for me, and realized I had gotten off the path
of art, you know, somewhere along the way, and so
I returned to that and that's sort of what I
discovered that what I was seeing in my mind's eye,
(05:35):
the colors, the shapes, the forms, or even like aura
around people, was part of my creative expression. That was
part of my artistic gift, if you will, And so
that's when I made the leap out of corporate to
do this full time.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Oh that's fantastic. I totally understand the idea of or
the feeling even of being realizing you've got down the
wrong path and just because you're not doing what makes
your heart sing and what speaks to your soul, you
just you do you feel that kind of tired where
a vacation is not going to fix it. So I've
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heard from other people and they have had similar experiences.
I want to go back to syns. I can say it.
I promise synesthesia from a I actually interviewed a woman
named Christine Simmons Moore, and she is an academic who
is researching how psychics are wired, among other things, and
(06:41):
apparently a lot of us are actually synesthetics. So it's
interesting that you've had this experience and your experiences with colors,
whereas other people have different ways of experiencing the world,
but it's all somehow related to or because we are
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experiencing the world differently, it plays into our ability to
be intuitive and sensitive to things that a lot of
people shut off when they're kids and don't quite get
back to or they wait, and you know, when they're adults,
they start seeking out things that are more of the soul,
(07:28):
not necessarily psychic experiences, but trying to reconnect with what
makes their soul sing.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yeah, so you're returning to themselves.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
So you said that you didn't realize that synesthesia was
a part of your experience until you were in your thirties.
How did that come about?
Speaker 2 (07:50):
You know, it's funny. I was working with a spiritual teacher.
She's an amazingly gifted psychic medium, and I was ad
with her because at the time I felt like I
had collected every possible certification under the sun. You know,
I was constantly adding letters behind my name, and I
was seeking something. None of it was right, you know,
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all of it sort of fit into the things I
was interested in. I was getting my coaching certification, which
at the time was great because I was in human
resources and being a coach felt, you know, it fit
in with my role as an HR business partner. But
you know, I was chatting with her and I was like,
I'm going to be I'm a coach, you know, I'm
going to be a coach and she was like, no,
(08:33):
I don't see you as a coach. And I was like, oh, okay,
you know. And then finally I came back to her
and I was like, I'm not a coach and she goes, okay, finally,
you know, and she said, you know, your gifts. A
lot of times I say this. I'm constantly quoting her
about this because I think it is so true that
a lot of times your gifts show up when you're
a kid. Your gifts are sort of naturally in your
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field of curiosity, you know, like you you dabble in
different things like if I, if I go back Hindsight's
twenty twenty, my gift is in creative expression. Those things
that I was drawn to as a kid. Art and
music and learning to play an instrument, and dance and drama.
Those were all part of creative expression and they were
all with me from that time I saw at my
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sister for knocking over my water, you know, like it
was all there, and so so I, you know, started
talking to her about it, and it was almost like
a light bulb went off and I she said, your
gift is creative expression. And I was like, you know,
like struck and I just went, oh, my gosh, duh.
And I looked back at all these moments that were
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sort of pointing me there. And I had always had
these little like side hustles, painting wine glasses and little
things I would do craft projects for people, all these
things that were sort of like there in the periphery.
And I went to Michael's, I bought art supplies. I
started painting right away, and I sort of, I think,
took what I was seeing for people or experiencing for people,
(10:03):
and then I would say, oh, when I look at you,
I see green, light, green, and white, and then started
to associate those colors that I saw with a way
and a we're feeling pain or feeling stuck in their
energy center. So if it's green, it's all about the heart.
So that's somebody who's really struggling with this idea of
self love and self compassion and forgiveness and acceptance and
(10:27):
like moving to a place of deep, unconditional love for themselves.
And so I started doing these portraits for them, and
my friend Amy came up with the title Spirit Portraits,
and that's when I just sort of started doing that.
And your listeners can't see it. But there's a large
painting behind me that I just finished up last week,
and that's sort of like an energetic spirit portrait about
(10:51):
a thing right globally that's happening. And so then I
learned that I was sort of tapping into all these
energetic feelings about what's happening today, like what's happening this month,
and what sort of energy are we all collectively sitting
in and started making paintings that reflected what I felt
and saw.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
So when a client comes to you and ask for help,
say they're feeling like they just can't get to the
next level at their work, or maybe they're they're feeling
stuck at work and they're trying to figure out a
different direction, what is your process for helping them?
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Yeah, I will sit and meditate on usually like a
picture of them. I do some portraits in person. When
you and I met at the Body Mind Spirit Fair,
that's what I was doing, was doing these in person
spirit portraits. So somebody's sitting right in front of me,
I'll sort of take a minute and meditate and sort
of scan through in my mind's eye each of the
chakra systems or energy centers and kind of go Okay,
(11:55):
what are what is each one saying? And what symbols
are they putting out for me? And what does this mean?
And then I'll create a portrait for them that tells
me where they're feeling stuck and what their prescriptive color is.
So if you're somebody who's stuck in in a grief space,
I might see you as like a light gray blue,
and so a prescriptive color for you might be yellow
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or orange, because those are going to be a bit
more uplifting. They're going to help you feel a bit
more optimistic and joyful, and that'll help to shift your
energy over to a different spot. And so the same
sort of applies. If somebody's not in front of me,
I'll read their photo, and if they're deceased, I'll do
that as well, and I'll create a spirit portrait based
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on a photo that I have of somebody to offer
a portrait of their energy than what I see when
I look at them.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
About how long does it usually take you to create
a portrait.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
It's so funny. So sometimes these portraits will come very fast,
and I'll spend maybe a half an hour with meditating
and painting. Then there are some portraits where I can't
connect that person's energy right away, And I have one
now it's a husband and wife. I did the wife's
portrait very quickly, and the husband's is just kind of
like hanging out, and I'm just like waiting to connect
(13:11):
with his energy because it just kind of feels a
little bit like like if I could describe it, it's
like behind me. It hasn't come to the forefront yet.
It's just sort of like sitting back here, and so
I'm just kind of waiting for his portrait to want
to be done, and then once it's ready, I'll sit
down and do his.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
So interesting, do you think it's possible that maybe he's
being a little bit guarded or.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Yeah, that's usually what happens. Yeah, Yeah, it's oftentimes that
if I sit with somebody and try to make a
painting for them, if I can't connect to their energy,
it's because they're either trying to control the outcome of
the process, or they're feeling like a bit guarded about
what they want me to see or nazi. And I'm
not a psychic medium, so I don't dive in and
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look at everything. I'm just sort of reading. You're like oh,
you're and your energetic signature, but it is you know,
I think we all get nervous when we're sitting in
front of somebody who's intuitive, because they're like, what are
they gonna? What are you me? And the last is
my aura black? And I'm like, no, no, it's not,
You're fine.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Have you seen a black aura?
Speaker 2 (14:23):
I have seen some gray auras, and I have felt
people's energies that are prickly or spiky, and so I
will sort of know. I will sort of know if
I walk into a room that there's somebody with some
funky energy in there, and I can sort of tell
just by talking to somebody that their energy is off
putting or that there's something about them that maybe isn't
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for me, and and it'll come it'll come through to
me as like gray, spiky, prickly or almost like velcrow hooks,
you know what I mean, like a it's like a
curved sort of like sticky, uh not for me kind
of energy. Yeah, you probably you get it.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Yeah, I totally understand what you're saying. So when you
look at people, are you are you seeing their aura
the way that we hear about people seeing auras Like
you know, uh, say, the aura is yellow and they're concentrating,
so it's really tight, or they're wide open, so it's
(15:29):
really out you know, farther away from there. Is that
what you're seeing or is it something different?
Speaker 2 (15:35):
So I see both. I see the aura. So if
you were sitting in front of a white wall and
we were talking, I would just be looking all around
at your aura because it just sort of dances around
and and my eyes will sort of relax and I'll
see a bit more, and then I'll get too I'll
focus too much, and it'll go away, and so I'll
see that aura. But then if I am doing your
(15:55):
spirit portrait, I'm going to read your energy centers and
sort of look at where you might be spiritually, physically
or emotionally in the in the body. So I don't
I don't use your aura color as your spirit portrait color,
but I can see it, and so that's the it's
kind of like an additional data point for me. If
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that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
That does make sense. So when you're looking at the
energy points in the body, say somebody is struggling with
self expression, you know, do you see more blue there
or are you seeing the opposite of blue.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
I will actually see the blue as being the place
where you're stuck, but it will sort of tell me
like what shade of blue it is. So it's kind
of like you know those big boxes of crayons, the
sixty four piece crayon set, like the different shades of blue.
So if it's like a murky blue or it looks
a little muddy, it'll tell me that you're under you're
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not you're not balanced in your throat, and so that
might mean that there's something that you're holding back or
not really ready to say yet. If it's like a bright,
vibrant blue, then that tells me that you are actually
feeling really balanced there. So it's kind of like the
if it's just if I'm going to use like three
shades for each chakra, it's either like under used, overused,
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or in balance. And that's typically what i'll see for somebody,
Like a sacral chakra keeps coming up as we're talking
and keep thinking about the sacral. If that's like a
peachy color, to me, that's an underutilized sacral. So that's
going to show up and say this person needs more play,
they need more freedom in their emotions, they need to
feel like they can express more openly or sexually or
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whatever that is to help, you know, balance out that
sacral chakra to feel more at ease throughout the day.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Are you eating me while we're talking?
Speaker 2 (17:55):
I don't think so. Because I was thinking that, I'm like, no,
I don't think so. I don't think it's for you.
But as you're asking questions, the sacral keeps coming up,
so I'm like, I've got to be about something.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Yeaheah. And I actually just had this conversation to a
degree on the last episode with Diane, And what I
believe is with something like that is happening during a podcast,
somebody who is going to listen to it is going
to need to hear that Yeah, so yeah, this is
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this is going to be good for somebody.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Yeah. And honestly, I think that's where most most of
the time, if I'm doing a portrait for a woman,
it is their throat, their heart, or their sacral. So
a lot of times we get stuck in those places
where we are not able to communicate as clearly as
we need to. We're not offering ourselves that gentle self
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love as much as we need to, and we're not
giving ourself permission to play and express and sort of like,
you know, find this fluidity, fluidity in our sensuality or
how we want to express ourselves in relationships. So that's
it's like a trend that I see. Is it's probably
why it's coming up yeah today, And.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
That totally makes sense because we tend to well, I'll say,
when I'm doing emotion code work, what comes up is
a lot of the same themes, especially if I'm working
on inherited emotions a lot because we learn from our mothers,
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they learn from their mothers. Not all inherited emotions are
passed down through the maternal line, but a lot of
them are so far s.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Yeah, yeah, okay, So kind of thinking about color from
a different direction, and I you may or may not.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Well, I'm sure you'll have an answer, but I mean.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
I'll just ask.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
So if somebody is very on to a certain color,
you know, everybody's got their favorite color. But for example,
in my world, the that aquamarine light teal color that's
on my podcast logo, It's like it is everywhere in
my world. And so is that a reflection of our
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energy in some way?
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Yep? It is when we are attracted to a color
or that we use a color in our world. We're
asking for healing in the place that the color supports.
So so teal is a really great example because that
supports the throat and the heart. That is the color
of the divine feminine. It is both. It's sort of
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a combination of this desire or this need to express
ourselves to speak truth, to speak authentic, you know, authentically,
and also to find this place of safety and love
and compassion. And so those those two things kind of
come together to make that teal or that awqua color.
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But it's also a really soothing color. It's very calm.
It's the color of the you know, those beautiful Caribbean waters,
and so we're using that color a lot. It's because
we're looking for those feelings. We're looking for that energy
to be part of our of our world. Like when
I know when I reach for my purple shirt out
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of my closet, is my closets organized by color, that
I am reaching for my divine connection to God. I
am actively looking for God to speak to me today.
I want to be connected. I want to know what
the plan is. I want you know, I want to
be in touch, And so when I wear purple, I
know it's because I need my crown to be open
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and so that I can be connected and hear what
God has to say to me today.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
I love that. So if somebody woke up in the
morning and was trying to figure out like what color
they should wear, say they have a job interview or
something like that, and they're looking in their closet and
trying to figure out what the best color to wear
would be, Like, what would you tell.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Them, Yeah, for a job interview, I'd say go blue.
Blues are the colors of truth and trust and trustworthiness.
It's gonna help people feel like you're somebody that can
be trusted, that you come across as authentic. It also
creates this peaceful, sort of calm energy, and so it
will also it will sort of help you remain calm
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in the interview, but it also sort of emanate this
you know, calmer scenario. So when we dress, we dress
for ourselves, but we dress for everybody else that we
encounter that day too. So if you go out and
you kind of pay attention and everybody that you see
at the grocery store is wearing black, like these are
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the things, and I notice other people may not notice
it too. But like if I'm out and about and
I see I just encountered seven people wearing black, what's
going on? That is signaling to me that I'm in
protection mode or I'm trying to hide or I'm not
willing to put myself out there. And so I'll pay
attention to how those colors are messaging to me and
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how I'm you know, what I'm messaging to the people
that I encounter with what I'm wearing that day too.
But it's fun to sort of you can be very
very intentional with color and so like if you know
you've got an interview, yeah, go grab your favorite blue
shirt right and put that on. But it's also sort
of fun to play with, like what color am I
drawn to today? Like when you're looking at your rainbow
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of clothes in your closet, which color are you are
you drawn to? Because that color is communicating something to
you about what your spirit needs that day or what's
going to be the most supportive for you that day.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
It's funny because I'm always drawn to I'm more drawn
to blues than anything else. And you can see it.
You can see it representing, you know. Yeah, and then
there are other colors that I have a complete aversion to,
like pink. I'm one of those women who just I
don't know, my eyes can't stand it. I was looking
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at houses and there was this was years back, there
was one that an entire room was pink, and I
was like, I don't want to look at that house.
And my realtor was like, you can paint it. I'm like, no,
I can't even walk into that room.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
It's so funny. You can paint it. It's gonna be okay, Yeah,
that's so funny. Yeah. So the same thing, you know,
when we're attracted to a color, it's because it's offering
us some healing. When we're repelled by the color, it's
because whatever it offers or no, we're not in a
place to accept right now. So so I always think
about that, like I have very few orange shirts, see
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thing for a for an artist, orange would be all
over my house because that's the color of creativity, you know.
But I am. I had my aura photographed at the Mind, Body,
Spirit Fair and all of my chakras, you know, I
got like a score for each of my chakras and
my sacral chakra was my lowest frickin' one, and I
was like, oh, so maybe I'm bringing up orange because
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it's for me just as much as it is for
somebody else.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
You know, that might be true too.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Yeah, you have to listen to yourself exactly. Well, that's true.
That's That's the thing that's so funny about the spirit
portraits too, is that they're just as much they offer
just as much healing for me as they do for
the person that receives it too. Like each time I
do something, I feel like I'm getting a little bit
of a sliver of the healing that that they're getting to.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
So in addition to color in the spirit portraits, do
you look at line shapes? And I'm by this, I
mean I've had very different from yours, but something called
the guy was calling it a soul portrait. It's very
similar idea, but different types of artistry. And he had
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there were some parts of it where there were some
sharp edges, and then there were parts of it where
there were smooth lines, and you know, he was saying
the sharp edges or when I first meet people, I
can be very intense, like I want to get to
know them, I want to like completely understand everything about him,
and then once i'm once i'm comfortable with them and
I feel like I know them, then I soften up
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and I'm just really chill, which I thought was pretty accurate.
I mean, I tend to be an introvert, so it
takes me. I have to really be interested in you
to ask you all these questions if we were just
sitting in a random place and not you know, me
behind the microphone and you on the zoom call. Yeah, anyway,
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So just as that as an example, do you do
you think about those things too?
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Yeah? Absolutely, that's a really great question because I think
of the process of making the painting for somebody, like
everything that happens from beginning to end is part of
the reading and what goes into that. So, for example,
if I start your painting and I draw a heart
with the ink on there, then that's about the heart center.
Whether it's a green or pink or whatever color that
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comes through, initially, there's something with the heart there. So
I'll kind of hone in on that. If the ink
comes out in a burst and shoots blobs of ink everywhere,
that I know that that's about somebody that needs to
release something that is there holding back, or if it's
something this happens sometimes and it makes me laugh with
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the ink won't come out at all, and I'm like, oh,
we have somebody who's a little bit stubborn here. So
then what you know, the whole thing is part of it,
including messages that drop in while I'm working on the painting,
or different shapes or symbols that start to perform as
I'm doing it, and music that pops into my head too,
Like my guides communicate with me through music a lot
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of the time, and so I'll never forget. There was
a portrait I did for my friend's mom and I
could not stop thinking about rolling stones songs the whole
time I was painting, and I only know a handful
of stone songs, but for some reason, they just kept
coming through, And so I asked her, like, does your
mother like the stones? And She's like, oh, my gosh,
(28:27):
she loves them. And I was like, oh, okay, that's
so weird.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
That's really neat. Yeah, do colors always align with chakras
or can they be more unique? And I guess by that,
I mean if you're singing blue, is it pretty consistent.
It seems like it's pretty consistent. Blue usually means the
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same thing.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Yeah, it does for me, okay, But it's funny like
a lot of other synesthetes will have different they'll see.
So if I say to you, you know what color
is Monday? You know what? Would you say?
Speaker 5 (29:07):
Say blue?
Speaker 2 (29:07):
So I'll say red for Monday. So I think a
lot of people with synesthesia will see color for things,
but that doesn't always align. Sometimes it does. I know
that there are studies about that too, to see like,
do all people with synesthesia see the same things? And
I would say no. But for me, if I see
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a color for somebody, that color will represent a similar
energy to somebody else who I see the same color for,
But the difference will be whether or not that color
is showing up in the right energy center. So, for example,
if I see blue in your sacral chakra, that means
that you need to communicate something about your needs and
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your sacral So it's sort of like where that color
shows up what should be there? Is there? Am I
seeing orange in your sacral which show me that your balance?
Or am I seeing blue and your sacred which shows
me that there's something you want to communicate, and so
that's sort of the difference for me.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Okay, And that's super interesting and answers my question without
without you knowing exactly what the question was, because I
was not communicating it clearly, you know.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
That's that's good. I was thinking of what you were
putting down.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
I appreciate that. So if if somebody came to you
and said, I I feel like what you're doing could
be helpful for me as far as self expression goes,
like maybe they want to pick up artwork and focus
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on energy and color, what kind of advice would you
give them?
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Oh, my gosh, I think you know, one of the
things I'm really focused on this year is helping people
use art for healing, So not just through getting a
portrait with me, which I think is great, but also
learning how to use art for your own healing and
your own creative expression. And so at first, I would say,
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you know, just pick up a pen and paper and
just start to doodle and see like what's coming out
for you, Like what are the shapes that you're drawing.
You could start by just saying, like, if I am
feeling anxious today, if I had to draw what that
anxiety looked like, what would it look like to me?
What color is it coming through to me? As? What
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shape does it have? Does it have a scratchy velcrow texture?
Does it have a soft teddy bear texture? So I
would ask, I would sort of encourage people to just
kind of start get to, you know, this place of
being able to visualize or sketch or draw your own
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internal feelings and connect that to the energy, because I
don't think enough of us play or draw or doodle
like we used to were kids. A lot of us
did that stuff and we move away from it. But
art is so healing in whatever form it. You know,
if it makes you happy, right if it's drawing, if
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it's dancing, if it's baking, if it's sewing or crocheting,
any kind of art fifteen to twenty minutes is going
to lower your cortisol levels and calm the mind and
get you out of your own way. And so my
goal this year is to create more of those opportunities
for people to learn how to do that so that
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they can find healing on their own day to day.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Okay, so I know you mentioned just pick up a
pen and paper. You can grab a box of crayons
or the little water color kids that you get at
Walmart in the arts and crafts isle.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Do you have a favorite medium that you work with.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
I primarily use acrylic paint for my larger pieces, but
for my portraits, I use alcohol inks, and that's because
they're very highly pigmented, so they're just like real beautiful
inky colors. But I tend I was just working on
a piece today that's got some soft pestels in there
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and some pen and marker and so a little bit
more mixed media, but usually just acrylic paints.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Do you have any upcoming events that you would like
to talk about?
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Yeah, thank you for asking. I am holding a couple
of workshops this month in April. One is actually this
week Wednesday, but I'll be hosting monthly workshops for developing
your intuition through art and also some more more I
don't want to use the word like heavy duty, but
more therapeutic art workshops where we're going to focus on
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UH topics like using art to heal from you know,
to heal your grief, or art for autoimmune diseases or
things like that where we're really tapping into places in
our lives emotionally, physically or spiritually where we need some
support and working with art and color and symbolism and
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meditation to find some peace and calm for that. So
those are coming up and you can find those all
on my website too, And your website is heatherech dot com.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
That's easy enough. I'll put a link in the show
notes and make it really easy for everybody to find you.
Did you have anything else you wanted to talk about?
Speaker 2 (34:40):
No, I like to tell people just to pay attention
to what colors you're drawn to. Like I always look
at my laundry for the week and go what did
I wear the most of What color did I wear
the most of last week? Like I posted on my
Instagram stories one time that I had done laundry and
I was going to put all my clothes away, and
it was like stripes, stripes, stripes, and they were all
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different colored stripes, and stripes are all about surrender, They're
about letting go. And so that week I had been
all in the energy of letting go, letting God. But
it really wasn't until I looked back and saw it
that I went, oh, that makes sense for me, and
what I was going through at the time. So just
pay attention. You're you know, you're getting messages from the
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universe from people who strum your harp when you're not
in the room.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
No, please please share that story.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Oh sure, I have a beautiful liar harp in my
studio and twice this past week somebody has plucked the strings.
What it's just me in here, and it's behind me
about six feet so I can't I can't reach it.
So somebody's coming to say hello.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
Yeah, I just I absolutely love that you shared that
with me, because I you know, oh yeah, I was
going to say, we all have those moments, many of
us who do this kind of work out those.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Ah, they don't scare me anymore, you know now. I know,
like if I see somebody out in the hallway, I'm like,
go away, Yeah, you can't come in here. Or I'll
say my only God and holy spirits are welcome here.
It's time for me to go to bed and then
try to go to sleep.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Yeah, mine is only God, my angels and beings a
lied are allowed to be here.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
I kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Yeah yeah, yeah, And I've got I have an old
roll top desk behind me, and I bought it from
some lady her husband had passed and she just needed
to get rid of it or something. And I, you know,
I paid forty bucks for it and cleaned it up,
and I love it. When I was cleaning it up.
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It's just such a random story, but there is a
point to it. I found some letters that made me
believe that he might have had an affair. And she
found those letters and decided to get rid of the desk,
like he had passed. But she was like, I don't
want anything to do with this desk. And right after
I moved the desk into my house, I started hearing
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knocking sounds from the desk and I finally just turned
around and said, I am not in the mood. You
can you can go now, and they stopped.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Oh my goodness. I love stuff like that. It is
so fun to hear things like that. I was gonna
say whenever I get something like secondhand or I love
to thrift, it's like so much fun. I have to
smudge it. I gotta sudge it.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
I really thought just cleaning it would be enough, but yeah, right.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
I have learned by lessa you gotta energetically clean it too. Right.
Oh that's so funny.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
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Thank you.
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Part Side
In episode nine, Christine Simmons More explained how she was
studying the psychic personality and the topic of synesthesia came up.
On this episode, you'll meet an artist with synesthesia who
uses her gifts to help others in a rather unique way.
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Welcome to the Peak podcast. I'm your host, Nicole Morock,
and I'm grateful you're here. The two big ideas behind
the Peat podcast are to show that the paranormal is
more normal than most people think, and to connect the
science to the SI, including esp psychokinesis and intuition. Today
we're talking about intuition, color and healing. Before we jump
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into this enlightening interview, I want to give you a
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to learn more and find out when my launch date
will be. Now back to the program. Heather Ech is
an intuitive artist and spiritual guide who helps clients connect
with their energy through the power of color. Specializing in
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spirit portraits, chakra alignment, and color healing. She channels divine
energy into her artwork, offering personalized insights and transformation. With
a background in visionary art, therapy and energy work, heather
sessions provide clarity, healing, and a deeper understanding of the
soul's journey, whether through a custom spirit portrait or a
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guided session. Her work is a portal to self discovery
and empowerment. Let's dive in with Heather. Hi, Heather, how
are you doing tonight?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
I'm doing good. How are you?
Speaker 1 (03:13):
I'm doing great? Thank you. I'm super excited to have
you join me tonight to talk about how you are
helping other people heal through color and art and just
sharing your story with us. And so I want to
get started by asking, like, what is your earliest memory?
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What started you on this journey?
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Yeah, you know, it's funny. My family tells a story
of me being probably like two or three, because my
sister would have been in a walker at the time,
and I was using water on one of those old
Crayola coloring books where the water painted the you know,
when you put the water on the page, it turned colors,
and she's fill my water. And that's when I said
(04:01):
my very first curse word. I yelled at her for
messing up my artworks. That was like the earliest Probably
that should have been a big sign, right, but I was.
I was always like a really creative kid. I loved art.
I took cartooning classes. I was always sketching and drawing,
and I would lay on my floor and listen to music.
(04:24):
I love movie soundtracks. And I would listen to soundtracks
and I would draw what the music looked like to
me and the shape that it took. But I didn't
know that that was unusual. I thought that everybody sort
of saw music or had a color or associated it
with a shape or something. But it turns out that
that's not usual. So I have something called synesthesia that
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I didn't know, you know, was a It wasn't a
part of my vocabulary until my late thirties early forties.
So I just sort of thought that my attraction to
color and textures and form was just, you know, part
of what everybody thought. And I sort of, you know,
dabbled in creative pursuits up through college and minored in art,
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and then found myself in a corporate career where I
was just sort of, you know, the kind of tied
that no amount of time off was going to fix
for me, and realized I had gotten off the path
of art, you know, somewhere along the way, and so
I returned to that and that's sort of what I
discovered that what I was seeing in my mind's eye,
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the colors, the shapes, the forms, or even like aura
around people, was part of my creative expression. That was
part of my artistic gift, if you will, And so
that's when I made the leap out of corporate to
do this full time.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Oh that's fantastic. I totally understand the idea of or
the feeling even of being realizing you've got down the
wrong path and just because you're not doing what makes
your heart sing and what speaks to your soul, you
just you do you feel that kind of tired where
a vacation is not going to fix it. So I've
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heard from other people and they have had similar experiences.
I want to go back to syns. I can say it.
I promise synesthesia from a I actually interviewed a woman
named Christine Simmons Moore, and she is an academic who
is researching how psychics are wired, among other things, and
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apparently a lot of us are actually synesthetics. So it's
interesting that you've had this experience and your experiences with colors,
whereas other people have different ways of experiencing the world,
but it's all somehow related to or because we are
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experiencing the world differently, it plays into our ability to
be intuitive and sensitive to things that a lot of
people shut off when they're kids and don't quite get
back to or they wait, and you know, when they're adults,
they start seeking out things that are more of the soul,
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not necessarily psychic experiences, but trying to reconnect with what
makes their soul sing.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yeah, so you're returning to themselves.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
So you said that you didn't realize that synesthesia was
a part of your experience until you were in your thirties.
How did that come about?
Speaker 2 (07:50):
You know, it's funny. I was working with a spiritual teacher.
She's an amazingly gifted psychic medium, and I was ad
with her because at the time I felt like I
had collected every possible certification under the sun. You know,
I was constantly adding letters behind my name, and I
was seeking something. None of it was right, you know,
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all of it sort of fit into the things I
was interested in. I was getting my coaching certification, which
at the time was great because I was in human
resources and being a coach felt, you know, it fit
in with my role as an HR business partner. But
you know, I was chatting with her and I was like,
I'm going to be I'm a coach, you know, I'm
going to be a coach and she was like, no,
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I don't see you as a coach. And I was like, oh, okay,
you know. And then finally I came back to her
and I was like, I'm not a coach and she goes, okay, finally,
you know, and she said, you know, your gifts. A
lot of times I say this. I'm constantly quoting her
about this because I think it is so true that
a lot of times your gifts show up when you're
a kid. Your gifts are sort of naturally in your
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field of curiosity, you know, like you you dabble in
different things like if I, if I go back Hindsight's
twenty twenty, my gift is in creative expression. Those things
that I was drawn to as a kid. Art and
music and learning to play an instrument, and dance and drama.
Those were all part of creative expression and they were
all with me from that time I saw at my
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sister for knocking over my water, you know, like it
was all there, and so so I, you know, started
talking to her about it, and it was almost like
a light bulb went off and I she said, your
gift is creative expression. And I was like, you know,
like struck and I just went, oh, my gosh, duh.
And I looked back at all these moments that were
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sort of pointing me there. And I had always had
these little like side hustles, painting wine glasses and little
things I would do craft projects for people, all these
things that were sort of like there in the periphery.
And I went to Michael's, I bought art supplies. I
started painting right away, and I sort of, I think,
took what I was seeing for people or experiencing for people,
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and then I would say, oh, when I look at you,
I see green, light, green, and white, and then started
to associate those colors that I saw with a way
and a we're feeling pain or feeling stuck in their
energy center. So if it's green, it's all about the heart.
So that's somebody who's really struggling with this idea of
self love and self compassion and forgiveness and acceptance and
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like moving to a place of deep, unconditional love for themselves.
And so I started doing these portraits for them, and
my friend Amy came up with the title Spirit Portraits,
and that's when I just sort of started doing that.
And your listeners can't see it. But there's a large
painting behind me that I just finished up last week,
and that's sort of like an energetic spirit portrait about
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a thing right globally that's happening. And so then I
learned that I was sort of tapping into all these
energetic feelings about what's happening today, like what's happening this month,
and what sort of energy are we all collectively sitting
in and started making paintings that reflected what I felt
and saw.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
So when a client comes to you and ask for help,
say they're feeling like they just can't get to the
next level at their work, or maybe they're they're feeling
stuck at work and they're trying to figure out a
different direction, what is your process for helping them?
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Yeah, I will sit and meditate on usually like a
picture of them. I do some portraits in person. When
you and I met at the Body Mind Spirit Fair,
that's what I was doing, was doing these in person
spirit portraits. So somebody's sitting right in front of me,
I'll sort of take a minute and meditate and sort
of scan through in my mind's eye each of the
chakra systems or energy centers and kind of go Okay,
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what are what is each one saying? And what symbols
are they putting out for me? And what does this mean?
And then I'll create a portrait for them that tells
me where they're feeling stuck and what their prescriptive color is.
So if you're somebody who's stuck in in a grief space,
I might see you as like a light gray blue,
and so a prescriptive color for you might be yellow
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or orange, because those are going to be a bit
more uplifting. They're going to help you feel a bit
more optimistic and joyful, and that'll help to shift your
energy over to a different spot. And so the same
sort of applies. If somebody's not in front of me,
I'll read their photo, and if they're deceased, I'll do
that as well, and I'll create a spirit portrait based
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on a photo that I have of somebody to offer
a portrait of their energy than what I see when
I look at them.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
About how long does it usually take you to create
a portrait.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
It's so funny. So sometimes these portraits will come very fast,
and I'll spend maybe a half an hour with meditating
and painting. Then there are some portraits where I can't
connect that person's energy right away, And I have one
now it's a husband and wife. I did the wife's
portrait very quickly, and the husband's is just kind of
like hanging out, and I'm just like waiting to connect
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with his energy because it just kind of feels a
little bit like like if I could describe it, it's
like behind me. It hasn't come to the forefront yet.
It's just sort of like sitting back here, and so
I'm just kind of waiting for his portrait to want
to be done, and then once it's ready, I'll sit
down and do his.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
So interesting, do you think it's possible that maybe he's
being a little bit guarded or.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Yeah, that's usually what happens. Yeah, Yeah, it's oftentimes that
if I sit with somebody and try to make a
painting for them, if I can't connect to their energy,
it's because they're either trying to control the outcome of
the process, or they're feeling like a bit guarded about
what they want me to see or nazi. And I'm
not a psychic medium, so I don't dive in and
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look at everything. I'm just sort of reading. You're like oh,
you're and your energetic signature, but it is you know,
I think we all get nervous when we're sitting in
front of somebody who's intuitive, because they're like, what are
they gonna? What are you me? And the last is
my aura black? And I'm like, no, no, it's not,
You're fine.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Have you seen a black aura?
Speaker 2 (14:23):
I have seen some gray auras, and I have felt
people's energies that are prickly or spiky, and so I
will sort of know. I will sort of know if
I walk into a room that there's somebody with some
funky energy in there, and I can sort of tell
just by talking to somebody that their energy is off
putting or that there's something about them that maybe isn't
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for me, and and it'll come it'll come through to
me as like gray, spiky, prickly or almost like velcrow hooks,
you know what I mean, like a it's like a
curved sort of like sticky, uh not for me kind
of energy. Yeah, you probably you get it.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Yeah, I totally understand what you're saying. So when you
look at people, are you are you seeing their aura
the way that we hear about people seeing auras Like
you know, uh, say, the aura is yellow and they're concentrating,
so it's really tight, or they're wide open, so it's
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really out you know, farther away from there. Is that
what you're seeing or is it something different?
Speaker 2 (15:35):
So I see both. I see the aura. So if
you were sitting in front of a white wall and
we were talking, I would just be looking all around
at your aura because it just sort of dances around
and and my eyes will sort of relax and I'll
see a bit more, and then I'll get too I'll
focus too much, and it'll go away, and so I'll
see that aura. But then if I am doing your
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spirit portrait, I'm going to read your energy centers and
sort of look at where you might be spiritually, physically
or emotionally in the in the body. So I don't
I don't use your aura color as your spirit portrait color,
but I can see it, and so that's the it's
kind of like an additional data point for me. If
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that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
That does make sense. So when you're looking at the
energy points in the body, say somebody is struggling with
self expression, you know, do you see more blue there
or are you seeing the opposite of blue.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
I will actually see the blue as being the place
where you're stuck, but it will sort of tell me
like what shade of blue it is. So it's kind
of like you know those big boxes of crayons, the
sixty four piece crayon set, like the different shades of blue.
So if it's like a murky blue or it looks
a little muddy, it'll tell me that you're under you're
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not you're not balanced in your throat, and so that
might mean that there's something that you're holding back or
not really ready to say yet. If it's like a bright,
vibrant blue, then that tells me that you are actually
feeling really balanced there. So it's kind of like the
if it's just if I'm going to use like three
shades for each chakra, it's either like under used, overused,
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or in balance. And that's typically what i'll see for somebody,
Like a sacral chakra keeps coming up as we're talking
and keep thinking about the sacral. If that's like a
peachy color, to me, that's an underutilized sacral. So that's
going to show up and say this person needs more play,
they need more freedom in their emotions, they need to
feel like they can express more openly or sexually or
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whatever that is to help, you know, balance out that
sacral chakra to feel more at ease throughout the day.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Are you eating me while we're talking?
Speaker 2 (17:55):
I don't think so. Because I was thinking that, I'm like, no,
I don't think so. I don't think it's for you.
But as you're asking questions, the sacral keeps coming up,
so I'm like, I've got to be about something.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Yeaheah. And I actually just had this conversation to a
degree on the last episode with Diane, And what I
believe is with something like that is happening during a podcast,
somebody who is going to listen to it is going
to need to hear that Yeah, so yeah, this is
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this is going to be good for somebody.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Yeah. And honestly, I think that's where most most of
the time, if I'm doing a portrait for a woman,
it is their throat, their heart, or their sacral. So
a lot of times we get stuck in those places
where we are not able to communicate as clearly as
we need to. We're not offering ourselves that gentle self
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love as much as we need to, and we're not
giving ourself permission to play and express and sort of like,
you know, find this fluidity, fluidity in our sensuality or
how we want to express ourselves in relationships. So that's
it's like a trend that I see. Is it's probably
why it's coming up yeah today, And.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
That totally makes sense because we tend to well, I'll say,
when I'm doing emotion code work, what comes up is
a lot of the same themes, especially if I'm working
on inherited emotions a lot because we learn from our mothers,
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they learn from their mothers. Not all inherited emotions are
passed down through the maternal line, but a lot of
them are so far s.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Yeah, yeah, okay, So kind of thinking about color from
a different direction, and I you may or may not.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Well, I'm sure you'll have an answer, but I mean.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
I'll just ask.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
So if somebody is very on to a certain color,
you know, everybody's got their favorite color. But for example,
in my world, the that aquamarine light teal color that's
on my podcast logo, It's like it is everywhere in
my world. And so is that a reflection of our
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energy in some way?
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Yep? It is when we are attracted to a color
or that we use a color in our world. We're
asking for healing in the place that the color supports.
So so teal is a really great example because that
supports the throat and the heart. That is the color
of the divine feminine. It is both. It's sort of
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a combination of this desire or this need to express
ourselves to speak truth, to speak authentic, you know, authentically,
and also to find this place of safety and love
and compassion. And so those those two things kind of
come together to make that teal or that awqua color.
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But it's also a really soothing color. It's very calm.
It's the color of the you know, those beautiful Caribbean waters,
and so we're using that color a lot. It's because
we're looking for those feelings. We're looking for that energy
to be part of our of our world. Like when
I know when I reach for my purple shirt out
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of my closet, is my closets organized by color, that
I am reaching for my divine connection to God. I
am actively looking for God to speak to me today.
I want to be connected. I want to know what
the plan is. I want you know, I want to
be in touch, And so when I wear purple, I
know it's because I need my crown to be open
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and so that I can be connected and hear what
God has to say to me today.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
I love that. So if somebody woke up in the
morning and was trying to figure out like what color
they should wear, say they have a job interview or
something like that, and they're looking in their closet and
trying to figure out what the best color to wear
would be, Like, what would you tell.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Them, Yeah, for a job interview, I'd say go blue.
Blues are the colors of truth and trust and trustworthiness.
It's gonna help people feel like you're somebody that can
be trusted, that you come across as authentic. It also
creates this peaceful, sort of calm energy, and so it
will also it will sort of help you remain calm
(22:39):
in the interview, but it also sort of emanate this
you know, calmer scenario. So when we dress, we dress
for ourselves, but we dress for everybody else that we
encounter that day too. So if you go out and
you kind of pay attention and everybody that you see
at the grocery store is wearing black, like these are
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the things, and I notice other people may not notice
it too. But like if I'm out and about and
I see I just encountered seven people wearing black, what's
going on? That is signaling to me that I'm in
protection mode or I'm trying to hide or I'm not
willing to put myself out there. And so I'll pay
attention to how those colors are messaging to me and
(23:20):
how I'm you know, what I'm messaging to the people
that I encounter with what I'm wearing that day too.
But it's fun to sort of you can be very
very intentional with color and so like if you know
you've got an interview, yeah, go grab your favorite blue
shirt right and put that on. But it's also sort
of fun to play with, like what color am I
drawn to today? Like when you're looking at your rainbow
(23:41):
of clothes in your closet, which color are you are
you drawn to? Because that color is communicating something to
you about what your spirit needs that day or what's
going to be the most supportive for you that day.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
It's funny because I'm always drawn to I'm more drawn
to blues than anything else. And you can see it.
You can see it representing, you know. Yeah, and then
there are other colors that I have a complete aversion to,
like pink. I'm one of those women who just I
don't know, my eyes can't stand it. I was looking
(24:19):
at houses and there was this was years back, there
was one that an entire room was pink, and I
was like, I don't want to look at that house.
And my realtor was like, you can paint it. I'm like, no,
I can't even walk into that room.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
It's so funny. You can paint it. It's gonna be okay, Yeah,
that's so funny. Yeah. So the same thing, you know,
when we're attracted to a color, it's because it's offering
us some healing. When we're repelled by the color, it's
because whatever it offers or no, we're not in a
place to accept right now. So so I always think
about that, like I have very few orange shirts, see
(24:58):
thing for a for an artist, orange would be all
over my house because that's the color of creativity, you know.
But I am. I had my aura photographed at the Mind, Body,
Spirit Fair and all of my chakras, you know, I
got like a score for each of my chakras and
my sacral chakra was my lowest frickin' one, and I
was like, oh, so maybe I'm bringing up orange because
(25:20):
it's for me just as much as it is for
somebody else.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
You know, that might be true too.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Yeah, you have to listen to yourself exactly. Well, that's true.
That's That's the thing that's so funny about the spirit
portraits too, is that they're just as much they offer
just as much healing for me as they do for
the person that receives it too. Like each time I
do something, I feel like I'm getting a little bit
of a sliver of the healing that that they're getting to.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
So in addition to color in the spirit portraits, do
you look at line shapes? And I'm by this, I
mean I've had very different from yours, but something called
the guy was calling it a soul portrait. It's very
similar idea, but different types of artistry. And he had
(26:13):
there were some parts of it where there were some
sharp edges, and then there were parts of it where
there were smooth lines, and you know, he was saying
the sharp edges or when I first meet people, I
can be very intense, like I want to get to
know them, I want to like completely understand everything about him,
and then once i'm once i'm comfortable with them and
I feel like I know them, then I soften up
(26:35):
and I'm just really chill, which I thought was pretty accurate.
I mean, I tend to be an introvert, so it
takes me. I have to really be interested in you
to ask you all these questions if we were just
sitting in a random place and not you know, me
behind the microphone and you on the zoom call. Yeah, anyway,
(26:55):
So just as that as an example, do you do
you think about those things too?
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Yeah? Absolutely, that's a really great question because I think
of the process of making the painting for somebody, like
everything that happens from beginning to end is part of
the reading and what goes into that. So, for example,
if I start your painting and I draw a heart
with the ink on there, then that's about the heart center.
Whether it's a green or pink or whatever color that
(27:23):
comes through, initially, there's something with the heart there. So
I'll kind of hone in on that. If the ink
comes out in a burst and shoots blobs of ink everywhere,
that I know that that's about somebody that needs to
release something that is there holding back, or if it's
something this happens sometimes and it makes me laugh with
(27:43):
the ink won't come out at all, and I'm like, oh,
we have somebody who's a little bit stubborn here. So
then what you know, the whole thing is part of it,
including messages that drop in while I'm working on the painting,
or different shapes or symbols that start to perform as
I'm doing it, and music that pops into my head too,
Like my guides communicate with me through music a lot
(28:06):
of the time, and so I'll never forget. There was
a portrait I did for my friend's mom and I
could not stop thinking about rolling stones songs the whole
time I was painting, and I only know a handful
of stone songs, but for some reason, they just kept
coming through, And so I asked her, like, does your
mother like the stones? And She's like, oh, my gosh,
(28:27):
she loves them. And I was like, oh, okay, that's
so weird.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
That's really neat. Yeah, do colors always align with chakras
or can they be more unique? And I guess by that,
I mean if you're singing blue, is it pretty consistent.
It seems like it's pretty consistent. Blue usually means the
(28:52):
same thing.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Yeah, it does for me, okay, But it's funny like
a lot of other synesthetes will have different they'll see.
So if I say to you, you know what color
is Monday? You know what? Would you say?
Speaker 5 (29:07):
Say blue?
Speaker 2 (29:07):
So I'll say red for Monday. So I think a
lot of people with synesthesia will see color for things,
but that doesn't always align. Sometimes it does. I know
that there are studies about that too, to see like,
do all people with synesthesia see the same things? And
I would say no. But for me, if I see
(29:29):
a color for somebody, that color will represent a similar
energy to somebody else who I see the same color for,
But the difference will be whether or not that color
is showing up in the right energy center. So, for example,
if I see blue in your sacral chakra, that means
that you need to communicate something about your needs and
(29:51):
your sacral So it's sort of like where that color
shows up what should be there? Is there? Am I
seeing orange in your sacral which show me that your balance?
Or am I seeing blue and your sacred which shows
me that there's something you want to communicate, and so
that's sort of the difference for me.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Okay, And that's super interesting and answers my question without
without you knowing exactly what the question was, because I
was not communicating it clearly, you know.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
That's that's good. I was thinking of what you were
putting down.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
I appreciate that. So if if somebody came to you
and said, I I feel like what you're doing could
be helpful for me as far as self expression goes,
like maybe they want to pick up artwork and focus
(30:42):
on energy and color, what kind of advice would you
give them?
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Oh, my gosh, I think you know, one of the
things I'm really focused on this year is helping people
use art for healing, So not just through getting a
portrait with me, which I think is great, but also
learning how to use art for your own healing and
your own creative expression. And so at first, I would say,
(31:08):
you know, just pick up a pen and paper and
just start to doodle and see like what's coming out
for you, Like what are the shapes that you're drawing.
You could start by just saying, like, if I am
feeling anxious today, if I had to draw what that
anxiety looked like, what would it look like to me?
What color is it coming through to me? As? What
(31:30):
shape does it have? Does it have a scratchy velcrow texture?
Does it have a soft teddy bear texture? So I
would ask, I would sort of encourage people to just
kind of start get to, you know, this place of
being able to visualize or sketch or draw your own
(31:50):
internal feelings and connect that to the energy, because I
don't think enough of us play or draw or doodle
like we used to were kids. A lot of us
did that stuff and we move away from it. But
art is so healing in whatever form it. You know,
if it makes you happy, right if it's drawing, if
(32:11):
it's dancing, if it's baking, if it's sewing or crocheting,
any kind of art fifteen to twenty minutes is going
to lower your cortisol levels and calm the mind and
get you out of your own way. And so my
goal this year is to create more of those opportunities
for people to learn how to do that so that
(32:31):
they can find healing on their own day to day.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Okay, so I know you mentioned just pick up a
pen and paper. You can grab a box of crayons
or the little water color kids that you get at
Walmart in the arts and crafts isle.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Do you have a favorite medium that you work with.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
I primarily use acrylic paint for my larger pieces, but
for my portraits, I use alcohol inks, and that's because
they're very highly pigmented, so they're just like real beautiful
inky colors. But I tend I was just working on
a piece today that's got some soft pestels in there
(33:20):
and some pen and marker and so a little bit
more mixed media, but usually just acrylic paints.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Do you have any upcoming events that you would like
to talk about?
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Yeah, thank you for asking. I am holding a couple
of workshops this month in April. One is actually this
week Wednesday, but I'll be hosting monthly workshops for developing
your intuition through art and also some more more I
don't want to use the word like heavy duty, but
more therapeutic art workshops where we're going to focus on
(33:54):
UH topics like using art to heal from you know,
to heal your grief, or art for autoimmune diseases or
things like that where we're really tapping into places in
our lives emotionally, physically or spiritually where we need some
support and working with art and color and symbolism and
(34:15):
meditation to find some peace and calm for that. So
those are coming up and you can find those all
on my website too, And your website is heatherech dot com.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
That's easy enough. I'll put a link in the show
notes and make it really easy for everybody to find you.
Did you have anything else you wanted to talk about?
Speaker 2 (34:40):
No, I like to tell people just to pay attention
to what colors you're drawn to. Like I always look
at my laundry for the week and go what did
I wear the most of What color did I wear
the most of last week? Like I posted on my
Instagram stories one time that I had done laundry and
I was going to put all my clothes away, and
it was like stripes, stripes, stripes, and they were all
(35:00):
different colored stripes, and stripes are all about surrender, They're
about letting go. And so that week I had been
all in the energy of letting go, letting God. But
it really wasn't until I looked back and saw it
that I went, oh, that makes sense for me, and
what I was going through at the time. So just
pay attention. You're you know, you're getting messages from the
(35:21):
universe from people who strum your harp when you're not
in the room.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
No, please please share that story.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Oh sure, I have a beautiful liar harp in my
studio and twice this past week somebody has plucked the strings.
What it's just me in here, and it's behind me
about six feet so I can't I can't reach it.
So somebody's coming to say hello.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
Yeah, I just I absolutely love that you shared that
with me, because I you know, oh yeah, I was
going to say, we all have those moments, many of
us who do this kind of work out those.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Ah, they don't scare me anymore, you know now. I know,
like if I see somebody out in the hallway, I'm like,
go away, Yeah, you can't come in here. Or I'll
say my only God and holy spirits are welcome here.
It's time for me to go to bed and then
try to go to sleep.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Yeah, mine is only God, my angels and beings a
lied are allowed to be here.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
I kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Yeah yeah, yeah, And I've got I have an old
roll top desk behind me, and I bought it from
some lady her husband had passed and she just needed
to get rid of it or something. And I, you know,
I paid forty bucks for it and cleaned it up,
and I love it. When I was cleaning it up.
(36:45):
It's just such a random story, but there is a
point to it. I found some letters that made me
believe that he might have had an affair. And she
found those letters and decided to get rid of the desk,
like he had passed. But she was like, I don't
want anything to do with this desk. And right after
I moved the desk into my house, I started hearing
(37:09):
knocking sounds from the desk and I finally just turned
around and said, I am not in the mood. You
can you can go now, and they stopped.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Oh my goodness. I love stuff like that. It is
so fun to hear things like that. I was gonna
say whenever I get something like secondhand or I love
to thrift, it's like so much fun. I have to
smudge it. I gotta sudge it.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
I really thought just cleaning it would be enough, but yeah, right.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
I have learned by lessa you gotta energetically clean it too. Right.
Oh that's so funny.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Well, I appreciate the time that you spent with me tonight,
and I am so excited for all the work that
you're doing. Thanks again to Heather for this fascinating conversation,
and thank you you for listening. If you are interested
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Speaker 2 (39:57):
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (40:01):
Supper an a Scent Supers come over there out because
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I say, became now, it wouldn't be there today. I
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