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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Any health related information on the following show provides general
information only. Content presented on any show by any host
or guests should not be substituted for a doctor's advice.
Always consult your physician before beginning any new diet, exercise,
or treatment program. And now it's time for Pet Health
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Cafe where your Pet has a Voice. And here's your host,
Bill the Pet Health Guru.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
And welcome to the Pet Health Cafe, the show where
your Pet Has a Voice. This is Bill Pet Health
Guru once again with another interesting show for you. We're
going to go dive into some real difficult sometimes to
talk about topics. But as always, I want to encourage
you to share this with as many pet and human
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a show. The chat room is open. We encourage questions. Tonight,
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I'm gonna encourage the actually a little bit about you know,
if you got a little bit of a short story
that you want to throw in there, that would be great,
and you know we're going to talk about something, like
I said, that's a little bit touchy. I've got my
special guests, doctor Michael dimm coming on now, and we
have to be a little bit careful with what we
say on some of this stuff because he's in the
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profession and sometimes has to watch the way he words things.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
How you doing, Doc, I'm doing well though. But as
we were talking before I came on, you know, I
have the right birth sign for this type of work.
So I'm a Gemini. So Geminis know how to have
two sides in their heads.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Now, you know, with me being a tourist, I'm a
little bit more stubborn, not that you've ever seen. But anyway,
so whatever we our topic is and what came up
on our advertising, of course, is bad diagnosis and basically
we're going to be looking at a whole lot of
different issues that's coming up around how you get a
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diagnosis from your vet, what's happening in that that office,
why is it happening, and how can we fix it?
You and I had a conversation over the weekend with
another client that had a horrible, horrible experience, spent a
ton of money that they didn't have for basically nothing,
and was let was actually being guided down a improper road,
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if you will, or you know, we weren't on the map,
you know, we should have been going west and we're
going east. You know, it just didn't make any sense
when we start putting things together, and of course we're
dealing with clients, so we're getting a lot of this
information's secondhand, third hand, that sort of thing, which makes
it your job, in my job, a lot harder. And
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the underlying feeling though that I'm getting is, you know,
we're all out there as pet owners, pet lovers, pet parents,
trying to make a difference in that animal's life. They're
dependent upon us completely. We try to do the best
we can. We get bombarded with a ton of bad information,
misleading information from those that we thought were experts. And
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you know, I've done a couple of shows on experts
in the past, and it's it's very difficult. When you
have a client that you've had for a while, an
emergency pops up, they of course panic, they listen to
you know, their relative and her friends and everything has
only get a rush right to the emergent er and
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next thing. You know that everything that you and I
have done has been peeled off. You've been you know,
you're being pushed out of away basically with the advice
that you've given because because you're an alternative. I'm pushed
away because I don't have letters after my name. And
in the process, we're seeing these owners and the animals.
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In my opinion, they're being abused, aren't they.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Yeah, absolutely, they're being taken advantage of. You know, I
had a client in my house today, you know who
traveled down from traveled down from Stewart and she gave
me an awful experience of where she had three dogs.
She's a single mom and then and she's you know,
has her own health challenges and is doing the best
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she can to manage your life and wants to do
it writing, wants to feeds pieces of appropriate diets, take
care of our animals with non toxic, non drug alternatives.
And she has local vets that she needs because some
of our animals have certain pathologies where they need certain
medications right now currently, And when she goes into the
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vet office, it becomes a financial diagnostic crusade. That's the
best way I think that to God knows where, and
over issues that don't even exist. So you know, often
what's used is the tactic of fear to get clients
to run certain tests or if they don't accept certain
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treatments or medications, that they're bad people. They're putting their
animals at risk. And it's very intimidating. One of my
colleagues at the falcon Ay US called I mean, we
use these terms before, you know, doctor whitecoat. You know,
it's very very intimidating. And this goes on increasingly so
now in my profession, and I think a big part
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of that is this we can get into a little
bit later, is this corporate takeover of the veterinary profession,
even you know, old mon pop practices. I know, I
used to work at one UH in Losahatchie that was
owned by a guy in New Yorker that came with
his family and built a practice by blood, sweat and
tears and you know, and then he sold it to
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a corporate group and the whole practice changed and lost
that family connection. And again it was a conventional that office,
but it used to be done very differently. And now
because of the you know, the financial angle and the
explosion of the ego. You know, clients just get you know,
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into pushed into corners. And you know, this woman gave
me the story today and it really was like little abuse,
just like you know we talked about before we came on.
I mean it, you know, it's and and and yelling
at the client, I mean at the body and if
the guard doesn't do the test that they want them
to do. In this case, she was telling me he
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was yelling at her, the veterinarian that if she didn't
do this certain testing, that she would you know that
she was such a bad person and was putting her
animals out at risk. And it's really sad though, really
it's pretty sad, you.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Know, I know, you know, we run into it. Of course,
you know, I'm more on a nutritional side and that
sort of thing. But also but when you look at
the I mean I had a client, had several clients
in today actually that once they switched over. One of
them had a dog with cancer and was talking to
me how all the lumps and bumps just changing the
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diet and a couple of simple herbs all went away.
Another one was at the end of the day came
in and we met her probably fourteen fifteen years ago
and had a Vishla, nice short haired dog. But there's
the lump and bump breed of the animal kingdom, and
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that's what she had been told twenty years ago. And
I said, first off, it has nothing to do with
breed most of the time. But once she had switched
to a raw diet and started doing herbs, and they do.
They actually own a health food company as well on
people's side, juices and stuff like that, but doing all
this stuff for themselves. But she says after that that
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dog was supposed to be dead in like a month
and it lived like another seven eight years. And when
they replaced it, he says, I've had two or three
now over a period of time. And she's got docsins
as well, and she says there's never any lumps or bumps.
But they feed a species appropriate diet. She does a
lot with different herbs. She's very knowledgeable in that area herself.
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But even as knowledge as bull as we can be,
we have those moments where we forget, you know, oh
my god, you know, what what do I need? I
got some hair loss and I start going through to listen.
She's like, okay, do that. Oh my God, I don't
do that anymore. Why don't I do that anymore? And
you know you're taking him down the road. So we
have to continuously resell even without the influence of the
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outside vets the yellow path, so that basically, I mean
you you know, we had a client last weekend basically
was told that on a nine month old, eight month
ol nine month old puppy that if you continue to
feed a raw diet, your dog will die of kidney
failure in a couple of years. I mean, that was
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a declaration, like God, it will happen to you. And
there's no scientific basis for any of that, is there?
Speaker 3 (09:37):
No, not at all. It's all I don't know where
they got that piece of information from. I mean maybe
a commercial conventional vet meeting or run by the pet
food companies, but I don't know. It's certainly not accurate.
And but again it's another example of fear. You know,
too much, too much protein for a young, growing animal.
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And who would to think of such a thing. I mean, godden,
our bones are growing and our muscle and they're putting
muscle on and you know the most important thing is
by protein. It's the opposite of what they're talking about, right,
you know.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
And if you turn around, okay, you all the l
pass and the conventional practices now are pushing of course,
these so called script diets, but even the companies that
developed them. That's for managing a so called disease, if
you will, after the fact. There's never any talk about
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any kind of prevention, is there?
Speaker 3 (10:34):
No, not at all. I agree.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
I mean the species appropriate diety, what it does an
interesting concept. We should talk about it. One day.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
I got it. And you know, the augument's always being made.
They're domesticated and they're different. Bodies have evolved to handle
these things. And uh, you know, it's just, I mean,
so much inaccurate statements. There's so much in that current information,
and you know, it's it's really sad because, as I said,
the client wants to bet. I mean in an anomal
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I mean I had a court. I mean everything we're
gonna be talking about on the show tonight, I had
manifest today in my practice. So in terms of in
terms of people calling, like I had an emergency phone
call from a client that I had done some document
work for. I had health documents, you know, several months ago,
and she showed him in the New England area, and
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her dog was lethargic vomited a couple of times. And
this went on over a few days, and she got
concerned and and emailed me, and I got back to
her right away, but it was too late. She was
already at the allopathic that office, and they ran a
whole bunch of tests through. I mean, it was just
is a two year old dog that CBC kem X rays.
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I don't know if they did your analysis too, but
you know, and they came up with a diagnosis of
lime disease, not that it was line positive, and it
had a high fever, and so the you know, they
were like trying to frighten her that you got to
treat the dog with a month of docs of cycling,
strong drugs to stop the fever, strong drugs to stop
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the vomiting. And her the bill that she got, I
mean more important, I mean more importantly what the health
ramifications on the animal are. But even just to you know,
like know, the bill for what I just stated was,
you know, thirteen hundred dollars just for the medications. And
and she called me when she was in the waiting
room and I she said, you know, the veteran in
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the other room. What should I do? And I said,
you want to get some fluids to hydrate the animal,
that's fine, that's harmless. Be twelve injection, that's okay, not
gonna hurt, but please refuse all the other drugs and medications.
And I explained that a one oh four point something
fever is just like you or I having a one
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hundred and one or one hundred temperature and you know,
normal temperature, and a dog there cat is one hundred
doll in two and a half. So it's like, I mean,
the fear about the fever is another big thing. And
I actually posted something about that on my social media
wall today about fevers, and you know that's used as
another fear based ploy. So you know, I ended up
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taking over the case, or at least redirecting the client.
And she was just, you know, very grateful, and you know,
she did spend the money on the diagnostics because I
didn't get to her in time, but at least at
least we avoided the the drugs and the toxins. And
then she texted me at the end and said, just
as I was leaving, they try to read me the
riot at of how I was being a bad pet
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owner and this this type of story. I just that
one goes on all the time. Like I said, it
happens very frequently in you're in my world as we
talk about.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Yeah, it really is. And like I said, you know,
first off, to all that misinformation, none of it is
you know, really backed up by any science. Obviously, it's
never backed up in what happened as in nature. You know,
you know, we need to take a look at that.
We need to stay focused on how do these animals,
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how have they survived for thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Of years plus. The information is often inaccurate. I said
to the client, I said, if you tested one hundred
dogs in your area of New England, ninety one percent
of them would test positive for lime disease. I mean,
oh my god. I mean it's like you know, and
you know, they always the vets use that as a
fear ploy to do all sorts of additional testing and
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drug therapies. And the truth of the matter is is
that positive lime exposure diagnosis it means that you were
just exposed to something. Doesn't mean that the symptoms are
due to that and need to be addressed as such,
and so I had to really I had to explain
that to this client as well, because you know our
audience where the animals live in those areas, you know,
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where you have high levels of positive tests like that.
It's just a field day for the convention that an
arian on.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Sure. Yeah, and that's just it. I mean, even if
you even if it were exposed and even came down
with symptoms, the body is working to get rid of it. Anyway.
And of course now we also know on the testing,
and this was one of the things that was thrown
at me the other day. Of course they're now using
PCR for everything and you can get whatever results you want.
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And anyway, this particular dog supposedly had head of worming
with a natural product actually overdid it a bit, But
I said, you got a super cleanse. That's all you got, right,
But according to the Yellowpath event that the stool check
came back with eighty five percent hookworms in the stool. Now,
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how do you get that number from a PCR test? You,
I mean, you can't make some of this stuff up.
I mean it's like, uh, it doesn't test like that.
That's not the way to Now, if you are looking
through your microscope, you know, the old fashioned way, and
that's actually had microscopes anymore. Ye. Yeah, they're on the
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display in the office, not where they're actually doing stuff.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Well, yeah, the practice I told you about with the
family run, we still have microscopes in there. They're still
doing this, Yeah, in house fehcles, which to me is
God bless them that they're doing it that way. Every
other vet practice from what I know, is doing it
where they, like you said, sending these tests out to
these labs. Yeah, you know that actually are doing PCR
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and everything, and then the labs build because I know
there's being recently affiliated with these type of practices. The
labs are charging the veterinarians such high costs for these tests,
and then of course the veterinarian needs to make their money,
so they're putting it on top of you know what
they're what they're being charged, and so it becomes so astronomical.
(16:58):
I did you KNOWLT year I was doing some relief
work and the practice, I mean they wanted to do
an ear culture on a dog, not that I think
it's a very worthwhile test, but it was three hundred
dollars for them to stick a swab in the ear
and get a culture from an animal's ear. Three hundred
dollars just for a simple test. It's not even you
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know that we can get into that in a minute.
But no accuracy and that diagnosis either. And that's the
other thing we should really talk about, is you know
how I mean, like you're starting to hit that how
accurate are all these tests that we're doing, and most
of the time they're they're not, And it's just it
really is it really is high crimes against the client.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Yeah, I mean even the simple blood test today, I
mean they keep changing the ranges. Does that mean that
the health is that much of a moving target that
we have to adjust and modify these numbers like every
thirty days, sixty days, ninety days. But whenever they adjust it,
it just seems quinc dental that there's always an increase
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in the sale of pharmaceuticals that goes along with that. Well,
you know, then it never expands it out where the
animals are healthier or the people are healthier, they're always
worse and worse and worse and worse. And you know,
and of course the accuracy of blood work in itself
is quite often problematic. You know, you look at the
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hemolysis on some of these. They don't even know how
to take blood, so it's like tainted to start with.
But that being said, we're going to take a quick
break here and we'll be right back.
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Speaker 2 (20:41):
Healthier and welcome back to Pet Health Cafe, the show
where your pet has voice. This is build a Pet
Health Guru along with special guests. After Michael Didim and
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we're talking about abuse, and basically you have animal hospitals
and probably the same in people hospitals. You know, when
you get into the allopathic world. I know I've been
in you know, alternative practice settings quite a bit over
the nine thousand years I've been doing this. But you know, normally,
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like you go into your office or a lot of
the other alternatives that we have, the atmosphere number one
is completely different. There's no, there's not that high tension.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
You know.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Sometimes you know, some of the bets will be sitting
on pillows on the floor or you know, at least
at a desk that's comfortable and comfortable chairs when because
you're you basically need the information translated from the pet owner.
And if you start abusing them and start talking them down,
what kind of answers are you going to get?
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Exactly? Yeah, And it's just like and then you know,
it puts them on the defensive. And it's also, like
I said, it becomes abusive literally abuse, emotional abuse, verbal abuse,
and uh, you know there's no need for that in
healthcare whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
No.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
And I know when I go to the cardiologist, he's like,
are you're taking this? You're taking your blood. Then no,
I don't I go there for just like you know,
I'm not taking I take, I take. I try to
get it through like you know, if I need some
dioretic effect through herbs like dandelion and that kind of thing.
But you know, I'm not going to be taking these drugs.
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And he looks at me, you know, but he doesn't
chastise me.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Yeah, it's not. It just seems to be a lot
worse on the animal's side, And of course the animal
can't say no, I don't want that.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
I think that's probably why Bill it's so to be.
You know, it's probably my colleagues thinking that, hey, you know,
we're the voice for these animals, and they can't express
themselves if you're making bad choices, and so there is
part of that in their actions. It doesn't excuse it,
but I really it's got to change, and we have
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to educate the client. But also which maybe we can
get into as we go along. Also, it's important for
the client not to co participate in that diagnostic crusade.
In other words, I got an email last night. I
don't think i'd ever received an email that I shared
it with you because I was going to send her
you away, because I don't think I could possibly take
on a case like that where a person just I
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don't know some of it might have been. It was
just all over the place the email, but you know,
running from one vet to the other to the other,
and then bashing them for doing this, and then heart
doing that, and then feeding and over analyzing and overinterpreting
this that or the other thing. And we have to
be very careful. Our clients want answers for their animals.
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But the answer isn't guys in a lab test most
of the time, it's not in a biopsy jar. It
really is those lumps and bumps. They don't need to
have their you know, be have a needle stuck in them.
They don't need to have a scalpel blade, you know,
take a part of it that doesn't determine the body's
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ability to heal itself, which is most of the time
can do.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Yeah. And you know, when when I was reading that,
I mean I saw some different parts of it, you know,
because I probably interpreted a little bit differently than you do.
But this customer had basic feelings about where the problems
could be coming from, what could be the rude cause
and they were completely just blown off. You know, the
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eye specialist wasn't was just looking at the eye. Well,
what caused the eye to have a problem, you know,
And well, I don't know. I'm looking at the eye
and the eye is bad, and you know he's going
blind and he's got this and he's got that, and
you know, you know, this is the problem specialty medicine
is they don't look at the body as a whole,
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because it didn't start in the eye unless you got
poked in the eye with a hot iron. You know,
it started someplace else in the body. And it starts
with what you're putting in the body, you know, air, water, food,
and then you have to go from there. You have
to start there. And yet I don't see that ever
being the case with a very few exceptions, like yourself
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in that medicine and animal health. And the thing is
too on the other side of that. If they did
start with that, it's like, okay, what are you feeding?
Oh I'm feeding wrong and feeding home cook whatever. They
get a lecture immediately. Okay, they haven't done an exam
on the dog or the cat. They haven't put their
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hands on them. They've been in a room for thirty
seconds and they're already bashing you that you're a bad
pet parent because you're not doing what they want you to.
But I've never seen a vet that just said, okay,
i'm your pet's advocate. I'm also going to pay his bills.
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Have you ever seen one that would pay the bills?
Speaker 3 (26:14):
No, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
And you know.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
I counsel people in that. It's like, you know, well
that wants me to do this, Well, why what is
his reason for doing that? Ask the why? Ask the
why all the time? Ask the why. Well, I think
it might be this and one of those other clients
that we share she was going through because the diagnosis
made no sense at all, that or suspected diagnoses, i
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should say, and where they were going to lead a
testing to and everything else. And she's looking at a list,
you know. I mean, some of the customers now are
getting smart enough they go at least do a little
bit on Google. But she's going down the list of
forty different symptoms that the animal might have, and she
came up with two. They're rein vomiting. Well, that's on
every single condition, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
It sure is.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Yeah, none of the other symptoms.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
No, And you know, the truth of the matter is
also that running all these tests that they do, for
the most part, and being a you know, in the
veterinary business for thirty four years, in clinical practice of
some kind, it's just, you know, the test, we don't
diagnose what we say we're going to, so we spend
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all of this money, you know, for example, of vomiting
and diarrheatoma, and we spend all this money, which you
and I of course have a totally different interpretation about
what that was. But anyway, in their world, they were saying,
we need to rule out you know, infectious disease, a
inflammatory disease, B, and we need to do all these tests,
and for the most part, ninety percent of the time,
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no allopathic diagnosis is made. And then we're left with
something called idiopathic, which you've heard me say on the
show right means you know, we don't know where the
idiots you know, what does that mean? And then we
end up using polypharmacy and prescription drug prescription foods, which
you know are just such a horrible gateway to more
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ill health. And that's the basis of badly much of
conventional practice.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Well, the other thing too, is you know, it's widely
accepted that the number one cause of all disease. At
the top of that pyramid is stress. Every test, additional
tests that you do, how much extra stress, how much
extra you know, and so many of them because they
have to do sedation, and you know, radiation is now
(28:48):
becoming a much much bigger part of it. How much
more are we placing in that pat right for the
sake of maybe rulings something out. We haven't started on
a healing program. We're not doing a healing program. We're
actually just creating other new opportunities. When the way I
(29:10):
look at it, you know, it's just another new opportunity.
And you know, we see that. You know, the easiest
one for me to show is cancer. You know, where
they start removing tumors, but the cancer is being done
throughout the whole body. And they're so proud because they
did a great surgery, surgery, and two months later, there's
a tumor three times the size right next to where
(29:32):
you just took it off, And why did that happen?
Speaker 3 (29:35):
And often the tumor type, even though, is a different one.
So in allopathic thinking. So in other words, we and
you and I both know it's the same disease, just
getting worse. Yeah, And they look at it as not
always the spread of one specific cancer, but as separate cancer.
They look at the body as parts.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Yeah, exactly, and of course you know they again, the
body is designed to reconstruct itself, to fix itself, to
heal itself. Our job, my job, and your job, is
to give that client the tools in their toolbox that
they need to do that because we know that the
allopathache has no health tools in their toolbox at all.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
No, not at all, other than pharmaceuticals and prescription drugs,
I mean prescription diets. That's really basically a scalpel blade.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Yeah, but those really aren't tools for healing. All it
is is putting a band aid on it, cover up
the symptom so we don't see it. You know, you
may as well charge five hundred dollars to give the
client a nice break on the price and put a
paper bag over their heads so they don't see it. Yeah,
(30:52):
that's all it is.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
And you know, obviously the band aid is we call
that an holistic medicine homeopathy palliation. That's you know, but
when you have suppression that's when these treatments end up
making the animal ultimately sicker. And that's really you know,
that's that's criminal. Where you know, an intervention, a surgery
(31:14):
drug drives that disease and deeper into the body and
then makes it harder for you and me to do
our job with assisting the animals and healing. But and
then and then sometimes in bad cases, you know, prevents
the body from being able to heal itself anymore.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
It can only fight so many battles at a time,
and you know, you can only put so much you know,
you can only put so much nutrition in so many vitamins, minerals,
and to work across the whole body, because you know,
just because you're treating you know, that shoulder or that hip,
the rest of the body's got to stay healthy. So
it's going to have to steal that stuff to keep it.
(31:51):
And of course when we have these issues, you know,
the body is diverting a certain amount of energy to
that issue. But also well you know, if that dog
has got a problem, a hip problem, let's say on
one side, the other side is trying to compensate for it.
The front legs are trying to compensate for it. So
they're using that, they're using the tools that you're giving.
(32:14):
And so let's lower the ability to digest food with antibiotics.
Let's give them a poorer quality of nutrition so we
cannot create new cells, and then give a drug that
suppresses the manufacture of the cells we really need.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Yeh, I don't mean a lab, but it's exactly what happens. Then, yeah,
you put it, you put it in as alquim as
the people you.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Know, you know, I mean, unfortunately, I mean I have
to recommend to most clients when they call me up.
It's like, what should do I need to run the
emergency room. And the first thing is no, unless they're
bleeding to death or they've been flattened out by a
truck or they you know, jumped out of a third
story window, probably not needed.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
Or if you have if you have a dog who
can breathe in heart failure you know, yeah, you know,
or you have one of these little two three pound
dogs that you know, dehydrate very quickly. I mean, then
fluid therapy can be helpful and by some time, but
you're right, most of the time, you just don't don't need.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Yeah, we we just cruised through the break by a minute,
So we're going to run at this break right now
and we'll be right back.
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Speaker 2 (35:11):
And welcome back to the Pet Health Cafe, the show
where your Pet has Voice. This is Build a Pet
Health two along with doctor Michael Dim. I want to
open up this last segment with a question for the
listeners out there, the people that are watching, have you
ever felt abused or cheated by your veterinarian? Because I
think people have to start realizing where their own feelings
(35:32):
are so that we can change this whole situation. And
something that I usually don't ask is, of course, if
you're watching on YouTube or Facebook or most of the
other social media's, you can put your comments in there
and we would love to hear, especially on this topic
once you've had to experience, because it gives us a
little bit more ammunition as to how we can approach
(35:54):
the system. You know, and unfortunately doctor dim Younion, I
know it's convincing one person, one more person, one more
person to jump over the other side, and one more
person to stand up for their pat not for pharmacy.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Yeah, and the other thing, Bill which we maybe we
could touch on, I mean in this last segment is
we don't want to feed that model either as animal
you know, guardians and as pet owners. We in other words,
what I mean by that is, you know, one of
the things the trends I've seen on social media, you know,
especially with some of the chat rooms I happen to
(36:29):
be on, is this movement towards over functional medicine testing.
I mean, that's the best us and I know you're
feel very strongly about that as well. And I you know,
every time I go on one of these, in one
of these rooms, I mean there's a new tester look
at the microbiome a different way, or to look at
(36:49):
this a different way, and all that. You know, testing
and testing and food allergy testing a lot it just
leads to just more confusion, more uncertainty and complexity. Whereas
you and I are trying to keep healing simple. I
mean really it is simple. I mean, it takes time
and patience, but the essence of it is it's it's
(37:11):
facta basics and simplicity, not more complex testing, not more
functional medicine. You know, in home test kits. It's just
that's not where it's at.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Either no and I actually this morning, I guess, I
guess it probably started yesterday to sometimes. But I've seen
some posts out there, so called research that they have
now invented a drug that can cure a genetic illness.
It's like, wait a minute, if it's genetics, If it
(37:44):
was really genetics, that's in the DNA. Unless you change
the alter the DNA or the RNA drastically, it's not possible,
which then leads me to believe that it was never
a gent. It would call the generic disease because we
had no clue what we were talking about.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
That's true. There we go again with that idiopathic.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Yep, exactly. But yeah, I mean we have to watch
the buzzwords, we have to watch the advertising, We have
to watch a lot of these posts, like you said.
And the other thing is, yes, the clients have got
to start asking the right questions. And you know when
you find a show like this one, you know that's
why I say make the comments. And that's where thing
(38:30):
because you and I spend a tremendous time amount of
time with each and every client, so they not to
sell them a drug or treatment, but so they understand
how the body really works. And once you understand that,
that's why probably fifty percent, maybe forty to fifty percent
of all my clients on the pet side are now
(38:52):
coming in and asking the same questions about themselves because
it's it's been an awakening. Yes, you know, well what
those are work for me? Well, changing my diet make
a difference. Yeah, And then you have to make the
decision though, to follow through on it. And that's the
toughest part.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
You know.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
People say, oh, it's so hard. You know, I'm feeding
my dogs and I have to go and I got
six jars of this and four jars of you know,
all these different herbs and everything else, and it gets
to be a task. But it doesn't have to be.
You rotate this stuff in and out. You know, I've
been explaining to people, you go back fifty years ago, okay,
sixty years seventy years ago. First off, we had a
(39:32):
family unit. Mom would fix dinner and every night would
be something at least a variation on the dinner, so
it wouldn't always be the same thing. You and I
have a tendency to just grab what we normally, you know, rod,
on a regular basis. What's easy for us. And so
we're not only not getting the nutrients, but we're also
creating different deficiencies unless we stop and think about it.
(39:53):
But to when I look at a lot of the
foods from one hundred years ago, they were eating a
tremendous amount of dues and soups, bone bros every almost
every day, every other day, all the time. The cure
for every disease in the eighteen hundreds, I swear was
Grandma's chicken noodle soup or chicken soup. You know, they
(40:13):
use it for everything, and it worked.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
Did you know we've.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Gotten so far away from that that it's it's crazy.
I mean I had somebody who I've had people sending me,
you know, pictures of product. Well, you know, Bill, the
stuff that you do is a little bit more expensive. Yeah,
because you're getting quality, you're getting bang for your buck.
But you know it's stupid things like bone broth, and okay,
(40:39):
so you're getting a pure bone broth. Yep, that's what
I got. It's bone broth was the ingredient. First ingredient
is bone broth, which means they're putting in somebody else's
bone broth that doesn't have any ingredients listed, and then
you're looking at other ingredients that are put into it,
and then that's the other one. That the other thing.
On supplements and on even drugs to a certain degree,
(41:01):
a lot of foods inert ingredients. Is there anything that
you put into your mouth that is one hundred percent inert?
Speaker 3 (41:10):
Absolutely not. Yeah, body has to do something with it exactly.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
So how that's why I say, you know, I rail
against this all the time. The labeling laws are so horrific,
and you have to really be, you know, a prime
detective to even just do a you know, a quick
glance at what they're using.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
And even understand what the ingredients are, which most of
us don't.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
Yeah, it's funny. I had one send me over a
thing about treats and she says, well, Bill, your treats
are more expensive and my dog eats them so fast. Well,
first off, it's a treat. It's not the diet. You're
not supposed to be giving them a treat every five seconds,
you know, for every time I look at you. But
on the other side of it, I had to dig
through the company's website and this was a company that's
(42:02):
based out of Georgia. Here in the United States. They
make a big deal that is a factory farm or
it's a you know, a local farm that's doing all
this good stuff with good foods and all that stuff.
And but yet there was nothing that came up that
this stuff was made here in the United States, right.
(42:23):
And when I finally got through it, a little note
on one product said no, this stuff all comes from
South America, right right, you know, but the illusion on
that website and on the packaging that was all done here.
I saw the comment there a list of questions that
people should ask for that.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
Yeah, I mean I think it's you know, what is
the reason for doing a certain test? And will that
change what we do? Where is it going to lead to? What?
What is? You know? What is how is that going
to determine the treatment of my animal? So for example,
if an animal has vomiting and diarrhea, they go into
the office and the vet says, no, we got to
(43:02):
do a CBC, chemistry X rays all these tests, you
know the truth of it. And then what happens if
you do all that doc can you find disease X
or disease? Why? How are they treated the same way
as if they don't find disease actually why they're going
to treat them with the same drugs, the same medicines,
the same treatment. So always ask what the testing or
the biopsy or the or the you know, the blood
(43:24):
of the urine, of the the X rays. How are
they going to determine treatment being different than if you didn't.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
Do it right?
Speaker 3 (43:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (43:32):
Yeah, I think that's a that's a good analogy. And
it's like, you know, you know the other thing, the
question that comes up all the time, And that's why
I ask the question, have you ever felt cheated? Because
so many people go in and spend thousands of dollars
on testing and it always comes back there's nothing wrong.
You got a perfectly healthy dog, and you know you don't.
(43:52):
We up against the clock here as always. Where can
people reach you, doun to Dim so we can at
least get a few more healthy animals out there.
Speaker 3 (43:59):
They can go to my web site which is doctor
dim dot com. D O C T O R D
y M dot com has all my contact information, I
email address, and I do check and return calls every day,
so you don't have to wait.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
That's good to hear. And of course you know I'm
normally locked in at my Paleo Pet, just answering questions
you know, when we're open, and of course I'll do
consultations as well. Uh, you can go on and just
you know, go on to the website look to your
consultation and you know, I try to give a lot
of value to it so that we can basically help
(44:34):
you understand your animal and what's really going on. With
that being said, thank you doctor Dim as always, you know,
I think we tackle a lot of information here. Hopefully
it opened up a few eyes and I'll be here
again next week as always, so thank you for watching
and look forward to the comments and good night.
Speaker 3 (44:54):
Thank you.
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Cafe where your Pet has a Voice. And here's your host,
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Speaker 2 (00:41):
And welcome to the Pet Health Cafe, the show where
your Pet Has a Voice. This is Bill Pet Health
Guru once again with another interesting show for you. We're
going to go dive into some real difficult sometimes to
talk about topics. But as always, I want to encourage
you to share this with as many pet and human
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I'm gonna encourage the actually a little bit about you know,
if you got a little bit of a short story
that you want to throw in there, that would be great,
and you know we're going to talk about something, like
I said, that's a little bit touchy. I've got my
special guests, doctor Michael dimm coming on now, and we
have to be a little bit careful with what we
say on some of this stuff because he's in the
(01:48):
profession and sometimes has to watch the way he words things.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
How you doing, Doc, I'm doing well though. But as
we were talking before I came on, you know, I
have the right birth sign for this type of work.
So I'm a Gemini. So Geminis know how to have
two sides in their heads.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Now, you know, with me being a tourist, I'm a
little bit more stubborn, not that you've ever seen. But anyway,
so whatever we our topic is and what came up
on our advertising, of course, is bad diagnosis and basically
we're going to be looking at a whole lot of
different issues that's coming up around how you get a
(02:33):
diagnosis from your vet, what's happening in that that office,
why is it happening, and how can we fix it?
You and I had a conversation over the weekend with
another client that had a horrible, horrible experience, spent a
ton of money that they didn't have for basically nothing,
and was let was actually being guided down a improper road,
(02:58):
if you will, or you know, we weren't on the map,
you know, we should have been going west and we're
going east. You know, it just didn't make any sense
when we start putting things together, and of course we're
dealing with clients, so we're getting a lot of this
information's secondhand, third hand, that sort of thing, which makes
it your job, in my job, a lot harder. And
(03:19):
the underlying feeling though that I'm getting is, you know,
we're all out there as pet owners, pet lovers, pet parents,
trying to make a difference in that animal's life. They're
dependent upon us completely. We try to do the best
we can. We get bombarded with a ton of bad information,
misleading information from those that we thought were experts. And
(03:44):
you know, I've done a couple of shows on experts
in the past, and it's it's very difficult. When you
have a client that you've had for a while, an
emergency pops up, they of course panic, they listen to
you know, their relative and her friends and everything has
only get a rush right to the emergent er and
(04:05):
next thing. You know that everything that you and I
have done has been peeled off. You've been you know,
you're being pushed out of away basically with the advice
that you've given because because you're an alternative. I'm pushed
away because I don't have letters after my name. And
in the process, we're seeing these owners and the animals.
(04:28):
In my opinion, they're being abused, aren't they.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Yeah, absolutely, they're being taken advantage of. You know, I
had a client in my house today, you know who
traveled down from traveled down from Stewart and she gave
me an awful experience of where she had three dogs.
She's a single mom and then and she's you know,
has her own health challenges and is doing the best
(04:53):
she can to manage your life and wants to do
it writing, wants to feeds pieces of appropriate diets, take
care of our animals with non toxic, non drug alternatives.
And she has local vets that she needs because some
of our animals have certain pathologies where they need certain
medications right now currently, And when she goes into the
(05:14):
vet office, it becomes a financial diagnostic crusade. That's the
best way I think that to God knows where, and
over issues that don't even exist. So you know, often
what's used is the tactic of fear to get clients
to run certain tests or if they don't accept certain
(05:37):
treatments or medications, that they're bad people. They're putting their
animals at risk. And it's very intimidating. One of my
colleagues at the falcon Ay US called I mean, we
use these terms before, you know, doctor whitecoat. You know,
it's very very intimidating. And this goes on increasingly so
now in my profession, and I think a big part
(05:59):
of that is this we can get into a little
bit later, is this corporate takeover of the veterinary profession,
even you know, old mon pop practices. I know, I
used to work at one UH in Losahatchie that was
owned by a guy in New Yorker that came with
his family and built a practice by blood, sweat and
tears and you know, and then he sold it to
(06:21):
a corporate group and the whole practice changed and lost
that family connection. And again it was a conventional that office,
but it used to be done very differently. And now
because of the you know, the financial angle and the
explosion of the ego. You know, clients just get you know,
(06:44):
into pushed into corners. And you know, this woman gave
me the story today and it really was like little abuse,
just like you know we talked about before we came on.
I mean it, you know, it's and and and yelling
at the client, I mean at the body and if
the guard doesn't do the test that they want them
to do. In this case, she was telling me he
(07:05):
was yelling at her, the veterinarian that if she didn't
do this certain testing, that she would you know that
she was such a bad person and was putting her
animals out at risk. And it's really sad though, really
it's pretty sad, you.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Know, I know, you know, we run into it. Of course,
you know, I'm more on a nutritional side and that
sort of thing. But also but when you look at
the I mean I had a client, had several clients
in today actually that once they switched over. One of
them had a dog with cancer and was talking to
me how all the lumps and bumps just changing the
(07:38):
diet and a couple of simple herbs all went away.
Another one was at the end of the day came
in and we met her probably fourteen fifteen years ago
and had a Vishla, nice short haired dog. But there's
the lump and bump breed of the animal kingdom, and
(08:00):
that's what she had been told twenty years ago. And
I said, first off, it has nothing to do with
breed most of the time. But once she had switched
to a raw diet and started doing herbs, and they do.
They actually own a health food company as well on
people's side, juices and stuff like that, but doing all
this stuff for themselves. But she says after that that
(08:23):
dog was supposed to be dead in like a month
and it lived like another seven eight years. And when
they replaced it, he says, I've had two or three
now over a period of time. And she's got docsins
as well, and she says there's never any lumps or bumps.
But they feed a species appropriate diet. She does a
lot with different herbs. She's very knowledgeable in that area herself.
(08:45):
But even as knowledge as bull as we can be,
we have those moments where we forget, you know, oh
my god, you know, what what do I need? I
got some hair loss and I start going through to listen.
She's like, okay, do that. Oh my God, I don't
do that anymore. Why don't I do that anymore? And
you know you're taking him down the road. So we
have to continuously resell even without the influence of the
(09:08):
outside vets the yellow path, so that basically, I mean
you you know, we had a client last weekend basically
was told that on a nine month old, eight month
ol nine month old puppy that if you continue to
feed a raw diet, your dog will die of kidney
failure in a couple of years. I mean, that was
(09:29):
a declaration, like God, it will happen to you. And
there's no scientific basis for any of that, is there?
Speaker 3 (09:37):
No, not at all. It's all I don't know where
they got that piece of information from. I mean maybe
a commercial conventional vet meeting or run by the pet
food companies, but I don't know. It's certainly not accurate.
And but again it's another example of fear. You know,
too much, too much protein for a young, growing animal.
(09:58):
And who would to think of such a thing. I mean, godden,
our bones are growing and our muscle and they're putting
muscle on and you know the most important thing is
by protein. It's the opposite of what they're talking about, right,
you know.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
And if you turn around, okay, you all the l
pass and the conventional practices now are pushing of course,
these so called script diets, but even the companies that
developed them. That's for managing a so called disease, if
you will, after the fact. There's never any talk about
(10:32):
any kind of prevention, is there?
Speaker 3 (10:34):
No, not at all. I agree.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
I mean the species appropriate diety, what it does an
interesting concept. We should talk about it. One day.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
I got it. And you know, the augument's always being made.
They're domesticated and they're different. Bodies have evolved to handle
these things. And uh, you know, it's just, I mean,
so much inaccurate statements. There's so much in that current information,
and you know, it's it's really sad because, as I said,
the client wants to bet. I mean in an anomal
(11:07):
I mean I had a court. I mean everything we're
gonna be talking about on the show tonight, I had
manifest today in my practice. So in terms of in
terms of people calling, like I had an emergency phone
call from a client that I had done some document
work for. I had health documents, you know, several months ago,
and she showed him in the New England area, and
(11:28):
her dog was lethargic vomited a couple of times. And
this went on over a few days, and she got
concerned and and emailed me, and I got back to
her right away, but it was too late. She was
already at the allopathic that office, and they ran a
whole bunch of tests through. I mean, it was just
is a two year old dog that CBC kem X rays.
(11:51):
I don't know if they did your analysis too, but
you know, and they came up with a diagnosis of
lime disease, not that it was line positive, and it
had a high fever, and so the you know, they
were like trying to frighten her that you got to
treat the dog with a month of docs of cycling,
strong drugs to stop the fever, strong drugs to stop
(12:12):
the vomiting. And her the bill that she got, I
mean more important, I mean more importantly what the health
ramifications on the animal are. But even just to you know,
like know, the bill for what I just stated was,
you know, thirteen hundred dollars just for the medications. And
and she called me when she was in the waiting
room and I she said, you know, the veteran in
(12:33):
the other room. What should I do? And I said,
you want to get some fluids to hydrate the animal,
that's fine, that's harmless. Be twelve injection, that's okay, not
gonna hurt, but please refuse all the other drugs and medications.
And I explained that a one oh four point something
fever is just like you or I having a one
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hundred and one or one hundred temperature and you know,
normal temperature, and a dog there cat is one hundred
doll in two and a half. So it's like, I mean,
the fear about the fever is another big thing. And
I actually posted something about that on my social media
wall today about fevers, and you know that's used as
another fear based ploy. So you know, I ended up
(13:15):
taking over the case, or at least redirecting the client.
And she was just, you know, very grateful, and you know,
she did spend the money on the diagnostics because I
didn't get to her in time, but at least at
least we avoided the the drugs and the toxins. And
then she texted me at the end and said, just
as I was leaving, they try to read me the
riot at of how I was being a bad pet
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owner and this this type of story. I just that
one goes on all the time. Like I said, it
happens very frequently in you're in my world as we
talk about.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Yeah, it really is. And like I said, you know,
first off, to all that misinformation, none of it is
you know, really backed up by any science. Obviously, it's
never backed up in what happened as in nature. You know,
you know, we need to take a look at that.
We need to stay focused on how do these animals,
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how have they survived for thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Of years plus. The information is often inaccurate. I said
to the client, I said, if you tested one hundred
dogs in your area of New England, ninety one percent
of them would test positive for lime disease. I mean,
oh my god. I mean it's like you know, and
you know, they always the vets use that as a
fear ploy to do all sorts of additional testing and
(14:33):
drug therapies. And the truth of the matter is is
that positive lime exposure diagnosis it means that you were
just exposed to something. Doesn't mean that the symptoms are
due to that and need to be addressed as such,
and so I had to really I had to explain
that to this client as well, because you know our
audience where the animals live in those areas, you know,
(14:54):
where you have high levels of positive tests like that.
It's just a field day for the convention that an
arian on.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Sure. Yeah, and that's just it. I mean, even if
you even if it were exposed and even came down
with symptoms, the body is working to get rid of it. Anyway.
And of course now we also know on the testing,
and this was one of the things that was thrown
at me the other day. Of course they're now using
PCR for everything and you can get whatever results you want.
(15:23):
And anyway, this particular dog supposedly had head of worming
with a natural product actually overdid it a bit, But
I said, you got a super cleanse. That's all you got, right,
But according to the Yellowpath event that the stool check
came back with eighty five percent hookworms in the stool. Now,
(15:45):
how do you get that number from a PCR test? You,
I mean, you can't make some of this stuff up.
I mean it's like, uh, it doesn't test like that.
That's not the way to Now, if you are looking
through your microscope, you know, the old fashioned way, and
that's actually had microscopes anymore. Ye. Yeah, they're on the
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display in the office, not where they're actually doing stuff.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Well, yeah, the practice I told you about with the
family run, we still have microscopes in there. They're still
doing this, Yeah, in house fehcles, which to me is
God bless them that they're doing it that way. Every
other vet practice from what I know, is doing it
where they, like you said, sending these tests out to
these labs. Yeah, you know that actually are doing PCR
(16:38):
and everything, and then the labs build because I know
there's being recently affiliated with these type of practices. The
labs are charging the veterinarians such high costs for these tests,
and then of course the veterinarian needs to make their money,
so they're putting it on top of you know what
they're what they're being charged, and so it becomes so astronomical.
(16:58):
I did you KNOWLT year I was doing some relief
work and the practice, I mean they wanted to do
an ear culture on a dog, not that I think
it's a very worthwhile test, but it was three hundred
dollars for them to stick a swab in the ear
and get a culture from an animal's ear. Three hundred
dollars just for a simple test. It's not even you
(17:21):
know that we can get into that in a minute.
But no accuracy and that diagnosis either. And that's the
other thing we should really talk about, is you know
how I mean, like you're starting to hit that how
accurate are all these tests that we're doing, and most
of the time they're they're not, And it's just it
really is it really is high crimes against the client.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Yeah, I mean even the simple blood test today, I
mean they keep changing the ranges. Does that mean that
the health is that much of a moving target that
we have to adjust and modify these numbers like every
thirty days, sixty days, ninety days. But whenever they adjust it,
it just seems quinc dental that there's always an increase
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in the sale of pharmaceuticals that goes along with that. Well,
you know, then it never expands it out where the
animals are healthier or the people are healthier, they're always
worse and worse and worse and worse. And you know,
and of course the accuracy of blood work in itself
is quite often problematic. You know, you look at the
(18:23):
hemolysis on some of these. They don't even know how
to take blood, so it's like tainted to start with.
But that being said, we're going to take a quick
break here and we'll be right back.
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Speaker 2 (20:41):
Healthier and welcome back to Pet Health Cafe, the show
where your pet has voice. This is build a Pet
Health Guru along with special guests. After Michael Didim and
(21:02):
we're talking about abuse, and basically you have animal hospitals
and probably the same in people hospitals. You know, when
you get into the allopathic world. I know I've been
in you know, alternative practice settings quite a bit over
the nine thousand years I've been doing this. But you know, normally,
(21:28):
like you go into your office or a lot of
the other alternatives that we have, the atmosphere number one
is completely different. There's no, there's not that high tension.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
You know.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Sometimes you know, some of the bets will be sitting
on pillows on the floor or you know, at least
at a desk that's comfortable and comfortable chairs when because
you're you basically need the information translated from the pet owner.
And if you start abusing them and start talking them down,
what kind of answers are you going to get?
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Exactly? Yeah, And it's just like and then you know,
it puts them on the defensive. And it's also, like
I said, it becomes abusive literally abuse, emotional abuse, verbal abuse,
and uh, you know there's no need for that in
healthcare whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
No.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
And I know when I go to the cardiologist, he's like,
are you're taking this? You're taking your blood. Then no,
I don't I go there for just like you know,
I'm not taking I take, I take. I try to
get it through like you know, if I need some
dioretic effect through herbs like dandelion and that kind of thing.
But you know, I'm not going to be taking these drugs.
(22:39):
And he looks at me, you know, but he doesn't
chastise me.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Yeah, it's not. It just seems to be a lot
worse on the animal's side, And of course the animal
can't say no, I don't want that.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
I think that's probably why Bill it's so to be.
You know, it's probably my colleagues thinking that, hey, you know,
we're the voice for these animals, and they can't express
themselves if you're making bad choices, and so there is
part of that in their actions. It doesn't excuse it,
but I really it's got to change, and we have
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to educate the client. But also which maybe we can
get into as we go along. Also, it's important for
the client not to co participate in that diagnostic crusade.
In other words, I got an email last night. I
don't think i'd ever received an email that I shared
it with you because I was going to send her
you away, because I don't think I could possibly take
on a case like that where a person just I
(23:35):
don't know some of it might have been. It was
just all over the place the email, but you know,
running from one vet to the other to the other,
and then bashing them for doing this, and then heart
doing that, and then feeding and over analyzing and overinterpreting
this that or the other thing. And we have to
be very careful. Our clients want answers for their animals.
(23:58):
But the answer isn't guys in a lab test most
of the time, it's not in a biopsy jar. It
really is those lumps and bumps. They don't need to
have their you know, be have a needle stuck in them.
They don't need to have a scalpel blade, you know,
take a part of it that doesn't determine the body's
(24:18):
ability to heal itself, which is most of the time
can do.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Yeah. And you know, when when I was reading that,
I mean I saw some different parts of it, you know,
because I probably interpreted a little bit differently than you do.
But this customer had basic feelings about where the problems
could be coming from, what could be the rude cause
and they were completely just blown off. You know, the
(24:44):
eye specialist wasn't was just looking at the eye. Well,
what caused the eye to have a problem, you know,
And well, I don't know. I'm looking at the eye
and the eye is bad, and you know he's going
blind and he's got this and he's got that, and
you know, you know, this is the problem specialty medicine
is they don't look at the body as a whole,
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because it didn't start in the eye unless you got
poked in the eye with a hot iron. You know,
it started someplace else in the body. And it starts
with what you're putting in the body, you know, air, water, food,
and then you have to go from there. You have
to start there. And yet I don't see that ever
being the case with a very few exceptions, like yourself
(25:30):
in that medicine and animal health. And the thing is
too on the other side of that. If they did
start with that, it's like, okay, what are you feeding?
Oh I'm feeding wrong and feeding home cook whatever. They
get a lecture immediately. Okay, they haven't done an exam
on the dog or the cat. They haven't put their
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hands on them. They've been in a room for thirty
seconds and they're already bashing you that you're a bad
pet parent because you're not doing what they want you to.
But I've never seen a vet that just said, okay,
i'm your pet's advocate. I'm also going to pay his bills.
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Have you ever seen one that would pay the bills?
Speaker 3 (26:14):
No, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
And you know.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
I counsel people in that. It's like, you know, well
that wants me to do this, Well, why what is
his reason for doing that? Ask the why? Ask the
why all the time? Ask the why. Well, I think
it might be this and one of those other clients
that we share she was going through because the diagnosis
made no sense at all, that or suspected diagnoses, i
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should say, and where they were going to lead a
testing to and everything else. And she's looking at a list,
you know. I mean, some of the customers now are
getting smart enough they go at least do a little
bit on Google. But she's going down the list of
forty different symptoms that the animal might have, and she
came up with two. They're rein vomiting. Well, that's on
every single condition, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
It sure is.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Yeah, none of the other symptoms.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
No, And you know, the truth of the matter is
also that running all these tests that they do, for
the most part, and being a you know, in the
veterinary business for thirty four years, in clinical practice of
some kind, it's just, you know, the test, we don't
diagnose what we say we're going to, so we spend
(27:31):
all of this money, you know, for example, of vomiting
and diarrheatoma, and we spend all this money, which you
and I of course have a totally different interpretation about
what that was. But anyway, in their world, they were saying,
we need to rule out you know, infectious disease, a
inflammatory disease, B, and we need to do all these tests,
and for the most part, ninety percent of the time,
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no allopathic diagnosis is made. And then we're left with
something called idiopathic, which you've heard me say on the
show right means you know, we don't know where the
idiots you know, what does that mean? And then we
end up using polypharmacy and prescription drug prescription foods, which
you know are just such a horrible gateway to more
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ill health. And that's the basis of badly much of
conventional practice.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Well, the other thing too, is you know, it's widely
accepted that the number one cause of all disease. At
the top of that pyramid is stress. Every test, additional
tests that you do, how much extra stress, how much
extra you know, and so many of them because they
have to do sedation, and you know, radiation is now
(28:48):
becoming a much much bigger part of it. How much
more are we placing in that pat right for the
sake of maybe rulings something out. We haven't started on
a healing program. We're not doing a healing program. We're
actually just creating other new opportunities. When the way I
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look at it, you know, it's just another new opportunity.
And you know, we see that. You know, the easiest
one for me to show is cancer. You know, where
they start removing tumors, but the cancer is being done
throughout the whole body. And they're so proud because they
did a great surgery, surgery, and two months later, there's
a tumor three times the size right next to where
(29:32):
you just took it off, And why did that happen?
Speaker 3 (29:35):
And often the tumor type, even though, is a different one.
So in allopathic thinking. So in other words, we and
you and I both know it's the same disease, just
getting worse. Yeah, And they look at it as not
always the spread of one specific cancer, but as separate cancer.
They look at the body as parts.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Yeah, exactly, and of course you know they again, the
body is designed to reconstruct itself, to fix itself, to
heal itself. Our job, my job, and your job, is
to give that client the tools in their toolbox that
they need to do that because we know that the
allopathache has no health tools in their toolbox at all.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
No, not at all, other than pharmaceuticals and prescription drugs,
I mean prescription diets. That's really basically a scalpel blade.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Yeah, but those really aren't tools for healing. All it
is is putting a band aid on it, cover up
the symptom so we don't see it. You know, you
may as well charge five hundred dollars to give the
client a nice break on the price and put a
paper bag over their heads so they don't see it. Yeah,
(30:52):
that's all it is.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
And you know, obviously the band aid is we call
that an holistic medicine homeopathy palliation. That's you know, but
when you have suppression that's when these treatments end up
making the animal ultimately sicker. And that's really you know,
that's that's criminal. Where you know, an intervention, a surgery
(31:14):
drug drives that disease and deeper into the body and
then makes it harder for you and me to do
our job with assisting the animals and healing. But and
then and then sometimes in bad cases, you know, prevents
the body from being able to heal itself anymore.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
It can only fight so many battles at a time,
and you know, you can only put so much you know,
you can only put so much nutrition in so many vitamins, minerals,
and to work across the whole body, because you know,
just because you're treating you know, that shoulder or that hip,
the rest of the body's got to stay healthy. So
it's going to have to steal that stuff to keep it.
(31:51):
And of course when we have these issues, you know,
the body is diverting a certain amount of energy to
that issue. But also well you know, if that dog
has got a problem, a hip problem, let's say on
one side, the other side is trying to compensate for it.
The front legs are trying to compensate for it. So
they're using that, they're using the tools that you're giving.
(32:14):
And so let's lower the ability to digest food with antibiotics.
Let's give them a poorer quality of nutrition so we
cannot create new cells, and then give a drug that
suppresses the manufacture of the cells we really need.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Yeh, I don't mean a lab, but it's exactly what happens. Then, yeah,
you put it, you put it in as alquim as
the people you.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Know, you know, I mean, unfortunately, I mean I have
to recommend to most clients when they call me up.
It's like, what should do I need to run the
emergency room. And the first thing is no, unless they're
bleeding to death or they've been flattened out by a
truck or they you know, jumped out of a third
story window, probably not needed.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
Or if you have if you have a dog who
can breathe in heart failure you know, yeah, you know,
or you have one of these little two three pound
dogs that you know, dehydrate very quickly. I mean, then
fluid therapy can be helpful and by some time, but
you're right, most of the time, you just don't don't need.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Yeah, we we just cruised through the break by a minute,
So we're going to run at this break right now
and we'll be right back.
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Speaker 2 (35:11):
And welcome back to the Pet Health Cafe, the show
where your Pet has Voice. This is Build a Pet
Health two along with doctor Michael Dim. I want to
open up this last segment with a question for the
listeners out there, the people that are watching, have you
ever felt abused or cheated by your veterinarian? Because I
think people have to start realizing where their own feelings
(35:32):
are so that we can change this whole situation. And
something that I usually don't ask is, of course, if
you're watching on YouTube or Facebook or most of the
other social media's, you can put your comments in there
and we would love to hear, especially on this topic
once you've had to experience, because it gives us a
little bit more ammunition as to how we can approach
(35:54):
the system. You know, and unfortunately doctor dim Younion, I
know it's convincing one person, one more person, one more
person to jump over the other side, and one more
person to stand up for their pat not for pharmacy.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Yeah, and the other thing, Bill which we maybe we
could touch on, I mean in this last segment is
we don't want to feed that model either as animal
you know, guardians and as pet owners. We in other words,
what I mean by that is, you know, one of
the things the trends I've seen on social media, you know,
especially with some of the chat rooms I happen to
(36:29):
be on, is this movement towards over functional medicine testing.
I mean, that's the best us and I know you're
feel very strongly about that as well. And I you know,
every time I go on one of these, in one
of these rooms, I mean there's a new tester look
at the microbiome a different way, or to look at
(36:49):
this a different way, and all that. You know, testing
and testing and food allergy testing a lot it just
leads to just more confusion, more uncertainty and complexity. Whereas
you and I are trying to keep healing simple. I
mean really it is simple. I mean, it takes time
and patience, but the essence of it is it's it's
(37:11):
facta basics and simplicity, not more complex testing, not more
functional medicine. You know, in home test kits. It's just
that's not where it's at.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Either no and I actually this morning, I guess, I
guess it probably started yesterday to sometimes. But I've seen
some posts out there, so called research that they have
now invented a drug that can cure a genetic illness.
It's like, wait a minute, if it's genetics, If it
(37:44):
was really genetics, that's in the DNA. Unless you change
the alter the DNA or the RNA drastically, it's not possible,
which then leads me to believe that it was never
a gent. It would call the generic disease because we
had no clue what we were talking about.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
That's true. There we go again with that idiopathic.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Yep, exactly. But yeah, I mean we have to watch
the buzzwords, we have to watch the advertising, We have
to watch a lot of these posts, like you said.
And the other thing is, yes, the clients have got
to start asking the right questions. And you know when
you find a show like this one, you know that's
why I say make the comments. And that's where thing
(38:30):
because you and I spend a tremendous time amount of
time with each and every client, so they not to
sell them a drug or treatment, but so they understand
how the body really works. And once you understand that,
that's why probably fifty percent, maybe forty to fifty percent
of all my clients on the pet side are now
(38:52):
coming in and asking the same questions about themselves because
it's it's been an awakening. Yes, you know, well what
those are work for me? Well, changing my diet make
a difference. Yeah, And then you have to make the
decision though, to follow through on it. And that's the
toughest part.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
You know.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
People say, oh, it's so hard. You know, I'm feeding
my dogs and I have to go and I got
six jars of this and four jars of you know,
all these different herbs and everything else, and it gets
to be a task. But it doesn't have to be.
You rotate this stuff in and out. You know, I've
been explaining to people, you go back fifty years ago, okay,
sixty years seventy years ago. First off, we had a
(39:32):
family unit. Mom would fix dinner and every night would
be something at least a variation on the dinner, so
it wouldn't always be the same thing. You and I
have a tendency to just grab what we normally, you know, rod,
on a regular basis. What's easy for us. And so
we're not only not getting the nutrients, but we're also
creating different deficiencies unless we stop and think about it.
(39:53):
But to when I look at a lot of the
foods from one hundred years ago, they were eating a
tremendous amount of dues and soups, bone bros every almost
every day, every other day, all the time. The cure
for every disease in the eighteen hundreds, I swear was
Grandma's chicken noodle soup or chicken soup. You know, they
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use it for everything, and it worked.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
Did you know we've.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Gotten so far away from that that it's it's crazy.
I mean I had somebody who I've had people sending me,
you know, pictures of product. Well, you know, Bill, the
stuff that you do is a little bit more expensive. Yeah,
because you're getting quality, you're getting bang for your buck.
But you know it's stupid things like bone broth, and okay,
(40:39):
so you're getting a pure bone broth. Yep, that's what
I got. It's bone broth was the ingredient. First ingredient
is bone broth, which means they're putting in somebody else's
bone broth that doesn't have any ingredients listed, and then
you're looking at other ingredients that are put into it,
and then that's the other one. That the other thing.
On supplements and on even drugs to a certain degree,
(41:01):
a lot of foods inert ingredients. Is there anything that
you put into your mouth that is one hundred percent inert?
Speaker 3 (41:10):
Absolutely not. Yeah, body has to do something with it exactly.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
So how that's why I say, you know, I rail
against this all the time. The labeling laws are so horrific,
and you have to really be, you know, a prime
detective to even just do a you know, a quick
glance at what they're using.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
And even understand what the ingredients are, which most of
us don't.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
Yeah, it's funny. I had one send me over a
thing about treats and she says, well, Bill, your treats
are more expensive and my dog eats them so fast. Well,
first off, it's a treat. It's not the diet. You're
not supposed to be giving them a treat every five seconds,
you know, for every time I look at you. But
on the other side of it, I had to dig
through the company's website and this was a company that's
(42:02):
based out of Georgia. Here in the United States. They
make a big deal that is a factory farm or
it's a you know, a local farm that's doing all
this good stuff with good foods and all that stuff.
And but yet there was nothing that came up that
this stuff was made here in the United States, right.
(42:23):
And when I finally got through it, a little note
on one product said no, this stuff all comes from
South America, right right, you know, but the illusion on
that website and on the packaging that was all done here.
I saw the comment there a list of questions that
people should ask for that.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
Yeah, I mean I think it's you know, what is
the reason for doing a certain test? And will that
change what we do? Where is it going to lead to? What?
What is? You know? What is how is that going
to determine the treatment of my animal? So for example,
if an animal has vomiting and diarrhea, they go into
the office and the vet says, no, we got to
(43:02):
do a CBC, chemistry X rays all these tests, you
know the truth of it. And then what happens if
you do all that doc can you find disease X
or disease? Why? How are they treated the same way
as if they don't find disease actually why they're going
to treat them with the same drugs, the same medicines,
the same treatment. So always ask what the testing or
the biopsy or the or the you know, the blood
(43:24):
of the urine, of the the X rays. How are
they going to determine treatment being different than if you didn't.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
Do it right?
Speaker 3 (43:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (43:32):
Yeah, I think that's a that's a good analogy. And
it's like, you know, you know the other thing, the
question that comes up all the time, And that's why
I ask the question, have you ever felt cheated? Because
so many people go in and spend thousands of dollars
on testing and it always comes back there's nothing wrong.
You got a perfectly healthy dog, and you know you don't.
(43:52):
We up against the clock here as always. Where can
people reach you, doun to Dim so we can at
least get a few more healthy animals out there.
Speaker 3 (43:59):
They can go to my web site which is doctor
dim dot com. D O C T O R D
y M dot com has all my contact information, I
email address, and I do check and return calls every day,
so you don't have to wait.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
That's good to hear. And of course you know I'm
normally locked in at my Paleo Pet, just answering questions
you know, when we're open, and of course I'll do
consultations as well. Uh, you can go on and just
you know, go on to the website look to your
consultation and you know, I try to give a lot
of value to it so that we can basically help
(44:34):
you understand your animal and what's really going on. With
that being said, thank you doctor Dim as always, you know,
I think we tackle a lot of information here. Hopefully
it opened up a few eyes and I'll be here
again next week as always, so thank you for watching
and look forward to the comments and good night.
Speaker 3 (44:54):
Thank you.
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