September 18, 2025 • 46 mins
Dr Dym updates on his latest dive at the recent holistic conference and his takeaways. We also discuss the use of mushrooms and how they should be used for maximum benefits. A must watch!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Any health related information on the following show provides general
information only. Content presented on any show by any host
or guests should not be substituted for a doctor's advice.
Always consult your physician before beginning any new diet, exercise,
or treatment program. And now it's time for Pet Health
(00:30):
Cafe where your Pet has a Voice. And here's your host,
Bill the Pet Health Guru.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
And welcome to Pet Health Cafe, the show where your
Pet Has a Voice. This is Bill the Pet Health
Guru with another exciting edition of the Pet Health Cafe.
I want to thank everybody that's tuning in and hopefully
you will share, as I've always asked on every show,
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(01:02):
to have a lively discussion going on. Like it, so
we get our algorithms up, subscribe so you never miss it,
and the chat is open so you can ask you
a question and things like that. As I get started here,
I've been brought to my attention that we've got many
many new listeners and viewing audience out there that may
(01:23):
not know about my history and my past and how
I got to this position on that house cafe and
how we developed it. Essentially, I've been in the animal
industry for almost sixty years. I know it's hard to
believe that I'm not old, but I really am. But
on the other side of that, it's been a journey.
I've been in all phases of the industry. I've worked
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in retail, I've worked in wholesale, I've worked in distribution,
I've worked in manufacturing. I've designed a lot of products,
especially in the glooming industry, and of course and of
course more recently a lot of herbal blends and herbal
medicine and developing different diets for biocomplete concepts, bio complete
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line of foods and herbs. Our recent venture, of course
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and itching to cancers to tremendous success and can and
we do this primarily through natural means. And I have
owned an animal hospital in the past. I used to
call on veterinarians for for years just to bring them
up to speeds so what they can do naturally. And
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because of that, it's a passion of mine. Obviously, if
I've been doing this for almost almost sixty years, it
is I'm insane this way. It's just really really crazy.
I really love it when an animal owner comes in
with their pet and they have seen a complete renaissance,
a complete change. It's just it's unbelievable when we watch
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tumors and lumps and bumps just go away, you know,
in a matter of months, without using drugs, without using surgery,
no extra stress on the animal. That's so rewarding. I
work with a number of veterinarians, scientists, researchers all over
the country and actually around the world to bring all
this information to you. When we try to bring it
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together in a four Matt, that is easy for you
to understand. I don't try to get into all the
scientific you know, mumbo jumbo that confuses so many people.
I'm just gonna lay it out the way it is,
and that's the way I want to run it. And
with that being said, I want to bring on my
guests for tonight, doctor Michael.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Dim all right, Bill, good to be here.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
How you doing, Doc?
Speaker 3 (04:22):
All right, how's it going today? I would love what
you just said, you know, I very heartfelt and it
certainly shows your your passion for what you do. Just
in a few minutes, I just heard it coming on.
I was, I was, I was briefly a part of that.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Well you were. It's it's interesting because we go back
got to be like twelve years ago, thirteen years ago,
something like that with the hospital, and uh, you know,
it's been it's been a roller coaster. I mean, you know,
we have and a lot of people don't realize all
the backside stuff that has to be done with what
I do, especially with foods, and you know, the between
(05:02):
a pet side and a human side, the different regulations
that fall into place and are changing on the moment
the moment basis you know, the shortage of the food shortages.
I'm the one to see if fees at first when
I can't get the meats that you need for your
your path and the quality that I need herbals the
same way, because the marketplace is changing every moment of
(05:23):
the every day. It's really you know, it's really a
tough part of it. Taste a lot of time and
of course you know where I am most of the
day when there's customers, it's out there talking with them
and you know, explaining how and you know, I mean
I do consultations, lets do you You know, I book
a half hour time, you know, consultation it's it's sometimes
(05:45):
two and a half three hours, so that they I
want them to totally understand what what we're going at
and what we're looking at. And that's the most satisfying
part is when we see these animals, you know that
we're given You know that one dog was given five
days to live and it was poisoned and here it
is now nine months later and the dog is healthy
(06:06):
and happy, you know, and you know we've discussed this
on the show many many times. So how are you
doing today?
Speaker 3 (06:12):
I'm doing well, doing well, you know, and busy, busy
few weeks. You know, I went to a holistic vet
meeting here in West Pond as you know. You know,
that was quite interesting, always interesting to get here new information.
But you know, to me, and I posted something about this,
(06:32):
you know, there's so much information and ways and modalities
and different approaches that we have to be careful not
to get lost in a sea of you know, too
many holistic approaches because again that then it becomes no
different than Western conventional medicine, right, Bill, I mean.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
It's exactly right. I mean I had a client come
in that she didn't a client against for about three
weeks now. Their dog went through surgery for cancer, for
tumor remover, and she made the switch, starting on herbs
and botanicals and everything else they wanted to do it,
you know, get the healing process going in the right direction.
(07:12):
And she followed up with the oncologists, I guess in
the last few days. And as soon as she mentioned
that she was feeding real food, oh my god, the
warning bells went off. The red lights were flashing in
the office. Oh my god. You know, as soon as
if that walked in because he was talking with one
of the attacks, everything you know, it's like, oh my god,
you can't do that. They actually referred to a board
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certified or a veterinary formulator and put something together, at
which time they were told, well, there's nothing you can
do for cancer with foodtritionists. I mean yes, And it's
like I'm doing it. I'm seeing what's going on, and
you're telling me what and I paid for what? Now
you were at the conference? What did you see? In
(07:59):
that respect?
Speaker 3 (08:00):
I shared that with you. I said, there was so much,
you know, attempts at a kumbaya approach to feeding our animals,
in other words, more of the along the lines of
you know that, and some of it was anti raw,
you know, showing some cases where animals, let's say, didn't
do as well with raw or had very poor suppliers
(08:21):
of their raw food diets. And they presented there was
some nutritionists that were, you know, having the horn of
just being more you know, whole food balanced, you know,
different ways of the feeding that you and I both
don't agree with, you know, And I shared that with you.
I even't shared with you one of the websites that
one of the nutritionists, and I think I think you
(08:45):
have some comments on it.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Yeah, it's it's you know, it's amazing when we look
at it in that first off, one of the first
things they say is, well, it's not complete and balance.
That's impossible with a dynamic, isn't it exactly?
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Yeah, so so you know, I mean, that's probably the worst,
you know, marketing ploy, the most dishonest marketing ploy that
you could ever give to them, because that body is changing.
You get a dog with cancer and you start feeding
a one of our protocol diets and doing the rotation
and the herbs which are part of the diet. Those
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are all foods, and the body's changing as you're going
along and getting better. What bails you need. You don't
need the same nutrients at the beginning of that treatment
as you do when they're basically cancer free.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Yet I hear you. I mean it's it becomes I
mean over analytical, over you know, looking at micro minerals
and you know, on on, like you said, on a
daily basis, these needs change, and our animals kind of
know instinctually what nutrients they need and don't need. And
you know we in the wild and you know, I
(10:00):
know in your foods, you know they're they're balanced there
they're fresh, they're human grade, all those good things, and
you know, they were just trying to look at it,
and then they were using an argument that you know,
in a traditional Chinese medicine perspective, certain meat shouldn't be
fed and certain you know, and I know, you know,
we've had conversations on that before, and you know, I
(10:21):
I don't toast a test of that. I mean, between
that and the allergy testing that people are now doing.
You know, that's another big thing I saw at the conference.
There's this increasing number of labs that are offering all
sorts of testing, not just heavy metals or you know testing,
but just overtesting, overtesting.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
And you know, and you and I know that most
of those test results are bogus anyway, they're not even
accurate because allergies, especially allergies, that's just another form of
detox about it. Doing it naturally, well.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
That's what I say, you know, and you know, like
if they keep feeding the same protein, they're going to
get allergic to that, to develop an intolerance to that
over time. So I mean, the whole idea of of
you know, kind of you know, coming up with pre
made recipes and then using traditional Chinese medicine principles as
the reason why they should be eating certain foods. I
(11:15):
don't agree with it at all.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
It's it's it's really crazy when we set this up
and think about that. It's you know, it's getting to
a point and the food side too, even for us
to formulate some of the things because some of the
secondary cuts of meat because of changes in the in
the USDA policy, we can't. We have trouble getting things
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like hearts and liver and kidney and spleen and you know,
all of these because now they were they're requiring specialty
inspectors on property just to look at the liver and
the kidney.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
And you have to you know, in the slaughterhouse has
to pay for that service to the government. And you know,
if you're a small boutique, you know, slaughterhouse or processor,
you can't afford to be paying that person to be
sitting there doing nothing ninety percent of the time.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Right right. Absolutely. And the other thing that they brought
up Bill was about I guess there's a you could
comment more on this area of expertise, an increasing number
of resources that aren't very good and giving bad names
to fresh roll feeding using computer programs. Oh yes, you know,
maybe you could comment on some of that. I mean,
that's another big thing out there with fresh diets, well diets.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Right, Well, the whole thing is is in order to
be you know, every cut of meat has different nutritional profiles,
and you know we try to lump it all together.
You know, well you can't feed beef because it's a
hot meat, and you other feed this. It's like, no,
what cut are you doing? What quality are you doing?
You know, there's a big difference between you know, a
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top select you know, prime steak, ribbi and even a tenderloin,
same cow, same animal. Basically muscles that are almost touching
each other actually are together except for a membrane between them.
And yet because they do different things in the body,
they have different nutritional you know, nutrients and flavors and
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tenderness and all of that. And it just drives me
crazy that they just like throw it all in one
big barrel and you know, oh you can't do.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
That, right. Well, I think what they were also common on,
as I said, was they have these computers that you know,
they put in what the animal's needs are, and then
they're coming up with recipes based upon computer generated you know.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Right, And that's part of the part of the issue
with the computer generated as well, is because okay, we're
looking at just a couple of basic parameters, protein levels,
carbohydrate levels, you know, fat levels, that sort of thing,
and it comes up with an algorithm that that's going
to give you the best. But if you don't know,
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you know, what are you going to send the customer? Okay,
you have to get a you know, two pounds of
tenderloin from a black angus that's two and a half
years old, you know, and it's been aged for thirty days.
I mean, you can't do that with a computer, you know.
And you you know, you go to all this expense,
you put it down on the floor and the dog
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looks at you like, are you kidding me? You know,
and especially when you start throwing in because it you know,
based on you know, the algorithms that are being generated
by the they basically the Big Floor with their prescription
type diets and all of that, because that's what they're
using it as a model. You're throwing in all these
ingredients that literally the pet food companies get exclusively because
(14:44):
they're not food items, right, So how do you how
can you balance it out? I mean, you know, oh,
well add some broccoli and some kale. Well, how was
that broccoli and kale raise? You know, it's what's vitamin
content of it? Oh well, you have to use this
vitamin something suplement. You know, when we put it together
with these supplements, and as we've had discussions many times
(15:05):
supplements don't work, you're actually throwing off as much help
as you can possibly do. You're throwing everything else at
a way. So you just go from problem the problem,
the problem, the problem. And you know that's not sharing
the animal right right.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
No, That's why I mean when I go to these meetings,
I mean I hadn't been to an hvm A meeting
a long time. I mean there's this big kumbah yah
you know approach, and that's great. We all, you know,
it's a it's a diverse group of veterinarians. But I
think we get tend to get as far far a
move from the basic models of health that you know
(15:41):
it comes out to, and it over complicates things and
creates problems. As you said, So you know, I found
some good information that I bring back to practice, and
you know, went to some lectures on mushrooms and the
microbiome and different aspects of it. But you know, as
I shared with you, it's it's very it's over complicating health.
(16:02):
And that's why you don't need to evolve into all
these new tests and new ways of feeding. Well, we
just have to go back to the basics, go back
to the to the palio model.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
That's essentially what it is. And it's funny because, of course,
you know, when I started doing cancer, one of the
first thing papers I wrote was on the ketogenic diet
and dogs nobody knew what a keto diet even was,
you know, fifteen eighteen years ago, twenty years ago, and
you know, we were using the strictly for cancer. Well,
research has just come out and shows that the ketogenic
(16:39):
diet the right ways good for Alzheimer's, dementia, seizures, autism,
all those things. And you know why, because it's a
natural way that we would be eating in nature as
primitive people. And then you know, that's why basically when
you find a lot of these primitive civilizations, that's what
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they're doing. You know, they quite often downplay the animal
component in that diet because obviously we have an agenda,
you know, and then we can use those exotic fruits
that you can only find on that one island in
the middle of the Pacific. You know, we're going to
add it to our special diet and you're gonna be
(17:21):
you know, saved from everything. It's you know, it's just
I was looking at a protocol for parasites that somebody
was asking me if this was any good and basically
it's my heart warm and parasite, but in a tincture form,
which of course you know that changes it the start with.
And they threw in I think two exotic fruits. Well, what,
(17:44):
there's the original work. Why would you do that just
to say you're different and you know, to to be
able to market it a lot different, and you know,
it's you know, we have to step away from that marketing.
We have to ask those questions. And you know, as
a as a consumer, as your pet parents, it's up
to you. It's not up to the veterinarian. You know,
(18:05):
you're you know, in an allopathic clinic. Your visit with
the actual veterinarian is probably five to ten minutes at most,
and what can they what could you learn in that
five or ten minutes without asking a thousand questions. We're
at the break right now. We're going to be right
back with the answers to these questions and more.
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Speaker 2 (20:31):
Healthier and Welcome back to the Pet Health Cafe, the
show where your Pet has Voice. This is Bill the
Pet Health Guru, along with my special guest doctor Michael
Demm veterinarian, extraordinary homeopath, and we're you know, we're trying
(20:57):
to get through some of this off you you were
explaining some of this stuff about the conference that you
were at, and it's you know, there's supposed to be
learning and you know, sharing information and that sort of thing.
But in a certain regard that learning that you're doing,
shouldn't it be mainstream anyway?
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Yeah, really should be, Bill, As I said, it's the
problem is is that you know, when people come within
a conventional medical perspective, it's still relying on substances outside
of what the animal or the human should normally be
eating or getting for health. And so you know, it's
(21:38):
that's you know, whenever you're bringing the Western medical model
into anything, it becomes problematic for you know, to actually
breach pure health. I mean, Western medicine has its place
where trauma injuries, foreign body obstructions in our animal patients.
But you know, when we're using it to try and
you know, blend the best of both worlds, I find
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that I've evolved out of that perspective, and well.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
It's it's so you know, it's it's when I look
at it that way, and I always say there's a
place for medicine, especially in emergency medicine. But when you know.
You you know, somebody goes to one of year allopathic
you know colleagues, and they do all these tests, you know,
thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars worth of tests
to come up with a probable issue that emergency at
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a emergency doctor. They don't have they don't have the
at hand results from those tests because they never ran them.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
You know.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
You you you're bleeding to that you can't. Let's run
another CT scan or you know, let's do a few
more X rays before before we even start. And uh,
you know, you know the results on that it's not good.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
No, So you know, that's the big thing with the
meetings is as I said, and then some of the
lectures on some of the products I mentioned mushrooms earlier,
you know, and there was a whole series of lectures
on the micro biome and and watching it. It was
more a lot of the lectures were more research oriented
(23:15):
and sharing research rather than real life medicine. That's that's
frustrating for Yeah, that's one.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Of the things you know, I tried to explain, and
that's what I was explaining in the beginning to show
is that which you know, we need to put it
into a perspective that the average pet owner, the average
family head of the family can understand that. You know,
you don't have time to first off, you don't have
the expertise to wreate down all that research anyway. And
(23:44):
I honestly believe that most of most of the doctors,
most of the veterinarians don't. You know, they're looking at
the conclusions, and they're looking at what generally the we're
looking at the conclusions exactly, and you're looking at it. Oh, well,
this says it works for this, so therefore I'm going
to do it. I mean, since we opened this, since
we opened Fiesta Petelli almost twenty years ago, I used
(24:05):
to joke around depending on what was coming in on
the veterinary medicine magazines every month that was a disease
of the month, and you know, we would suddenly see
a you know, a tremendous number of clients coming in
my dog was diagnosed with and then the next month, oh,
it changed again, and it changed again, and it changed again.
And it's like, I don't know what to do as
(24:26):
a pet owner because every time I go to my
ved and being told something different.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Right, right, we bring up a good point about you know,
we want to put it into a usable thing for
the pet owner. It's equally as important as you mentioned
and hinted that make it usable for the veterinarians. So
I came out of several of these talks, as I said,
the information was very good, and I just was hoping
it would be a little more practical oriented rather than
(24:51):
research orient. That wor I mean, I don't know what
they're talking. I mean, you know, I'm not a researcher.
I'm a I'm a clinician seeing animals and every day,
every day practice, right, So you know that was that
was my big criticism of it. But you know, as
I said, it's it's an annual meeting of people from
around the country. It's you know, we Uh I hadn't
(25:12):
been to one in a few years, and uh, you
know I did get some useful information, but you know,
I was like, for example, in the mushroom lecture, I'm like,
I don't need to hear about how they're harvested and
ghost individually, how they prepare it in the lab. And
I don't I mean.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Even something like that. Okay, they're mushrooms, their food. Why
do you have to prepare them in a lab, you know, yeah, right,
I mean I've got I've got yeah, we're showing that
the mushroom blend, and I think she has the Fusion
fourteen there as well. I've got a couple of samples
sitting here on my on my desk, a Taki mushroom
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for instance, I've got that one, and you know, from
our biocomplete line and I've got you know, we do
it all. Yeah, we do the fusion you know, the
Fusion fourteen. That's fourteen different ones. We don't sell all
of them individually because some of them are very very
difficulty in, but we have the eight or ten most
common ones. And what are we looking to do with them?
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You know? Basically, as you know, I don't know if
they told you this in that lecture or not, but basically,
mushrooms are great for detox They're great for bringing in minerals.
Minerals are the key to all of it. That's what
we're all deficient and that's what our pets are deficient in.
And it just you know, and it's funny because of
the research that's being done. For instance, we brought in
(26:40):
I guess about two years ago, I started working with
a mushroom called Tremella, and when I brought it in,
the number one used for Tremella mushrooms at that point
in time was in skincare product because it helps out
the skin, the dermal layers. They're using cosmetics and things
like that. Well, now I got a whole list of
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different things. I mean, they're using it for cancer, obviously
a lot of mushrooms are, but weight loss, liver cleaning,
ronic coughs, you know, with all this pollution, you know,
use you know, every single pet owner that walks in
the door by dog's coughing, My dog's coughing, got mukis. Okay,
here's a mushroom. We didn't know this five years ago
(27:23):
when we first started researching it, but now the research
is coming out that that's what it does and nerve
damage dementia, you know, for even you know, and not
on the same side, not only for our dogs, but
for our pet owners. You know how many pet owners
you talked to they can't remember what they fed their dog,
if they fed their dog in the morning. You know,
(27:44):
it's a good question of our mushroom powders all natural, absolutely,
that's all we do. You know, everything is from the
grower directly to us. And again, why do they have
to do something in a lab?
Speaker 3 (27:57):
We don't, right, there's no fillers, there's no latitudes.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
I get it though, Yeah, because that's the way you know,
in nature, that's the way they would they would be
taking them. And many times a lot of those you know,
herbals and botanicals. Because that was brought up a little
earlier too. How do how do the herbs and botanicals work? Well,
if you get a puddle upon you know, a depression
underneath a tree where water accumulates, the nutrients that are
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in that water are going to be directly inputed into
that animal through I want to say it is an
herbal tea. It's that simple. Yeah, you know the urbral
te's that you buy at the health food store, they've
been they've all been processed too. You've got to go
back to those natural powders in their most natural form
unless you can get the real stuff, the fresh stuff,
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and that would obviously be number one.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Yes, yeah, you know so, I mean the lectures were good,
but uh, you're all the points you're bringing up, Bill,
Like I said, That's why I was texting you from
the lecture the same bill. Can you believe this? Can
you believe that it's and you know, I, like I said,
you put it beautifully. It's just it's the way nature intended.
(29:11):
That's how we want to feed. That's how we want
to supplement. And I don't want to use the term supplement,
but feed. That's like you said, they're all right, foods
and botanicals, and that's what I that's my how I
explained to my clients as you taught me so well.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Now, you know, one of the issues that we have
sometimes is they don't understand that when you sprinkle it
on their food and things of this nature, they haven't
been exposed to this stuff the first, second, third time around.
This is all brand new to them, and basically they
have to identify it and it's something that they need.
And you know, sometimes we have to disguise things, you know,
(29:46):
and of course we do that with things like bone broth.
You know, raw honey is another good way to you know,
mix in some of these herbals and botanicals and mushrooms
and that sort of thing so that we can get
it into the body. And of course we're starting out,
you know, most most that's most doctors and most pet
owners don't understand. We're not starting out with a clean body.
(30:07):
We're usually starting out with a train Wreckoretti. Even if
you think, even if you think you're healthy and your
dog is healthy, they've been exposed to so much for
so many generations, and at those those oxens that create
that algae probably started with great great great grandmother in
the form of you know, the preventative things that we
(30:28):
don't talk about anymore, and uh, you know all the
flea and tick and you know.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Even you don't talk about it anymore. I do.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
I know you can't get sensored. You know, the censor
my show, not yours. But I mean even looking at
when I look back at even you know, the common
parasite problems, the fleas, the ticks, that sort of thing.
You know, I've seen it go from basically trying to
(30:58):
use like a natural pirate Eastern product back in the
sixties and the seventies to then more advanced and some
of the more advanced things turned out to be thursbaand
you know for fires, which was a weapon of mass destruction,
it was actually a bio weapon that they were using
in flea products, and of course now the topical stuff
and the you know injection and you know, building this
(31:22):
stuff up because the body can't clear it, can it.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
No, it's and they're just coming out with more and
more products like this. The twelve month heart hurt injection.
You know, it's no longer a pill, it's now an
injection that lasts for twelve months. The flea medicine that
lasts for twelve months. So you just go to your
vet and the allopathic pushes. You know, you don't have
to worry about giving these things. They're safe. They've been
studied for a minute and a half. You know, the
(31:47):
you know, five animals didn't fall over and die within
three days. So therefore we're going to approve these medicines.
And and that's the wave of the future is simplicity,
the you know, the toxis, the load on the body.
Bill is just amazing that. You know, there's a topical
ear medicine that a lot of the clients who have
had allopathic treatment of their animals ear issues. There's an
(32:08):
allopathic ear medicine that you put in the ears that
last for four to six weeks. So that sounds great, right,
You just put the medicine in once and that's the
end of it. But it's like it's in there, and
what is it doing. It's being absorbed and it's suppressing
the life force and exactly and you know it's clogging
up the lymphatics and you know where that's the wave
(32:31):
of the future is I know longer and lasts longer.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
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Speaker 2 (34:21):
And we're back here on the Pet Health Cafe to
show where your pet has a voice. This is build
a Pet Health Guru along with my special guests Michael
Dim veterinarian and homeopath, and we're talking about immunity and
brain disorders and that sort of thing, and of course
mushrooms are very very much a big part of that.
And you know, I mean it's I don't see, Oh
(34:42):
I do see, because I know that it's about the profit.
And you know, we want to have a product that
nobody else can have. It's exclusively ours and you know,
charge what we want, make as much money as we want.
But you know you can do that with food, you know,
by giving good quality and fair pricing and making sure
(35:05):
that you're delivering the best you can. That's what we
try to do. Of course that bile complete, uh and
of course yes, if a Delhi did it, we filled
our products. My Paleo pat a lot of other places
use it as well. And we we just don't think
in a way that when you're you know, what is
supposedly diseased, supposedly sick is not. It's just the body
(35:28):
going through an event and all this all that testing
that that you were talking about. I mean, on any
given day, you could test positive with the right testing
for probably half a dozen ailments and you and you know,
if you're if you lead a healthier lifestyle, you know,
modern you know, natural exercise, eating clean foods, things of
(35:51):
that nature, and get retested a week later, a lot
of that stuff can be gone. I mean, I saw
a statistic that kind of blew me away in the
last couple of days about colon cancer that it's one
hundred percent curable with doing nothing except eating clean.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
And that makes sense because the colon is the you know,
that's the the tox success pool of the body that
the toxin is going to build up. So yeah, just
clean it out. I got an I got an email
today from the Perspective client who's you know, wants to
do a console. My dog has cancer throughout its lungs.
We don't know the source yet. I need I have
an appointment with the oncologist to find out. We'll get
(36:33):
and then.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
I'll make no source there. Colleges doesn't know how you
got it. He's going to try to isolate what kind
of cells they are, you know, and and you know
what chemically can I possibly use with cancer?
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Bill, as you know, and that took a long time
for me, as an allopathically trained you know, vet to
get out of that mindset that we have to diagnose
through aspirin or biopsy or psychology or taking the tissues out.
We have to find out exactly what the cancer is.
Is it a mass cell cancer? Is it this cancer?
(37:07):
Is it that cancer? And that'll determine our treatment. And
as you know, what you and I do, it's that's
no bearing on it whatsoever. It took so long for
me to grasp that, even though it's so basic.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
I mean, if you could have heard me when I
was talking to the girls in the store today about
the colon cancer thing, is it's not a thing. Every cancer.
I would say at least nine the cancer cells that
are in the body, and those aren't even cancer cells.
They're basically regular cells that have turned cancerous because they're
deformed and that because of the toxins. But they're going
(37:40):
through that colon. If they stick to the wall of
that because you were eating a lot of starchy foods,
you're gonna test positive absolutely, you know. And if you
turn around and take some cod liver oil or some
cancer oil, guess what, it's gone, because it's going to
clean out every.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
Right, especially exactly it's you.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Know, and that's that's the whole thing. And you you
and I have talked about it so many times that
when you get these lumps and bumps, these tumors, especially
on dogs, the bodies pushing the cancer out, you know,
when they go in and do tumor removers. Oh, I
removed all the lymph nodes. Those were the filters. Stupid,
you know, you just you just broke down the bodies.
So now it can't filter out the bad stuff. So
(38:28):
what are you going to get more cancer? Well, you know,
it's just a different way of looking at it.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
Right. I had a client today that came in because
of kidney person was wanted to send me lab results
and wanted to know my opinion on whether they're animals
diagnosed with kidney disease and they and money was no
object to these people. So they wanted to know if
they should get a kidney transplant. That was their question,
and where could they get it? And I said, you know,
(38:56):
how about just rebuilding what those kidneys are?
Speaker 2 (38:59):
Yeah, I'm feeding Chinese medicine, feed like with like give
your dog a ton of kidneys and clean it out.
You know we've got there's there's hundreds of herbs and
botanicals and foods on the face of this earth that
will help clean out. And oh, by the way, what
are you using? Clean water without fluoride, without chemicals, without microplastics, without.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
Yeah, we often forget that. I meant absolutely.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
I've got an article coming out. I was talking about
food and and and uh, water are the two most
important things. Well, you need living water? Live water? Okay,
where do you get it in nature? In raw foods,
it's in the meat, it's in the in the natural herbs.
If they're in a fresh form, they're in certain vegetables.
(39:50):
If they're in a fresh form and you're getting but
you don't only need the water. You need the minerals
that go along with that, that will bind to those cells,
that will take it in to those cells the mitochondria
and rebuild it.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
It was just a question earlier about whether we need
to supplement with minerals and animals on a rough that diet.
And that's the mentality, you know.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
Right, it's not supplementing specifics, it's about a whole overall
general that when you when you use different herbs and
herbal teas and things like that, it's going to be
in it the variety of diet where you know, if
the if the beef is coming only from Florida, you know,
that's great, but we've got mineral deficiencies in our own
soil down here, so the grass of they're eating isn't
(40:36):
going to be complete. So we have to look at
different things like this because of agricultural processes as well,
regenerative farming, all of that, and then of course we
have to look at the chemtrails. We have to detox.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
That's the major word, detox. Bill.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
I literally was at a supplier last week and when
I pulled it into the parking lot. The sky's opened up
a typical Florida and should you say, a non typical
Florida rainstorm where you all of a sudden's dumping a
bunch of water in one small area. You know that
it's being directed through weather modification. When it stopped, I
got out of my truck, went over and grabbed a cart.
(41:12):
I figured, okay, this cart was sitting out in the
parking lot. It was just all washed off because of
the food you know, supplier. So this is all washed off,
so it is going to be clean. I grabbed on
to it. It was oily. The whole thing was covered
in oil that came down from the sky.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
Wow, that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
People don't think about it. You turned on you know,
when you have that happen, sometimes turned on your windshield
wipers at the end, let it, let it rain, and
then turn on your winshield wipers. And it's streaked back
and forth. You're in you're inhaling that your dog is
walking in it. You can't, you know, breathing in as well.
You're tracking it into your freaking ouse.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
You know.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Yeah, and you know, if you're not detoxing, and like
you say, mushrooms are a big part of that in
our in detox, I mean, because it's doing all who
does a dual purpose is bringing in nutrients and it's
taking out the bad stuff. So when your dog vomits
when it eats, it just took out a whole bunch
of bad.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
Stuff, right. And I'm counseling people who can't say it enough.
But when animals have discharges, vomiting, diarrhea, skin eruptions, ear inflammation,
we don't want to be clogging those outlets up with
anti diarrheals, anti vomiting medicines, topical steroids and antibiotics. I
(42:28):
know we don't want our animals to be uncomfortable, but
we have to support that detox process otherwise it's just
is a vicious cycle. It just goes over and over exakly.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
I don't know if we had any other questions that
we did not answer yet, Rebel, if you've got anything
in there that we can comment on the end of
the show, because we're as always up against the end.
Can we in our pets get enough minerals, you know,
from the food and herbs, Absolutely, if they're raised ethically
and regineratively as all the powders are natural and you
(43:01):
know it's was the mantra of the first company that
I did a nutrition, real food for real pets, and
that sunds it all. Doctor Dim. How can people get
in touch with you so we can keep this crusaf going.
Speaker 3 (43:15):
They can go to my website which is doctordim dot com.
That's d O C T O R D y M
dot com and as all my contact information my email address.
I usually get back to people within the day.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
Yep, that last question. Can you put it in your coffee? Absolutely?
Some of the mushrooms don't always blend very well, you know,
because because of the plant matter and it's dry. But
you know, you can run it through the coffee maker
just like everything else. You can mix it in with
you know, a little bit of honey, just taking it
out of spoon, and a lot of these things actually
(43:50):
taste pretty great. With that being said, thank you all
for watching, Thank you for being here. Let's get this
show out more and more often. Keep sharing it wherever
you can. And with that being said, let's see, Oh yes.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
You do have to worry about that.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
Anything that says m r N A.
Speaker 3 (44:10):
Run question was one of my clients, all right, yep.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
Run, that's actually that's that's that's the apramen now run
run run. All right. Thank you for listening, folks, and
we'll be back in another week. Good night.
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Cafe where your Pet has a Voice. And here's your host,
Bill the Pet Health Guru.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
And welcome to Pet Health Cafe, the show where your
Pet Has a Voice. This is Bill the Pet Health
Guru with another exciting edition of the Pet Health Cafe.
I want to thank everybody that's tuning in and hopefully
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and the chat is open so you can ask you
a question and things like that. As I get started here,
I've been brought to my attention that we've got many
many new listeners and viewing audience out there that may
(01:23):
not know about my history and my past and how
I got to this position on that house cafe and
how we developed it. Essentially, I've been in the animal
industry for almost sixty years. I know it's hard to
believe that I'm not old, but I really am. But
on the other side of that, it's been a journey.
I've been in all phases of the industry. I've worked
(01:45):
in retail, I've worked in wholesale, I've worked in distribution,
I've worked in manufacturing. I've designed a lot of products,
especially in the glooming industry, and of course and of
course more recently a lot of herbal blends and herbal
medicine and developing different diets for biocomplete concepts, bio complete
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of issues with our pets, everything from dermatitis and scratching
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and itching to cancers to tremendous success and can and
we do this primarily through natural means. And I have
owned an animal hospital in the past. I used to
call on veterinarians for for years just to bring them
up to speeds so what they can do naturally. And
(03:16):
because of that, it's a passion of mine. Obviously, if
I've been doing this for almost almost sixty years, it
is I'm insane this way. It's just really really crazy.
I really love it when an animal owner comes in
with their pet and they have seen a complete renaissance,
a complete change. It's just it's unbelievable when we watch
(03:37):
tumors and lumps and bumps just go away, you know,
in a matter of months, without using drugs, without using surgery,
no extra stress on the animal. That's so rewarding. I
work with a number of veterinarians, scientists, researchers all over
the country and actually around the world to bring all
this information to you. When we try to bring it
(03:58):
together in a four Matt, that is easy for you
to understand. I don't try to get into all the
scientific you know, mumbo jumbo that confuses so many people.
I'm just gonna lay it out the way it is,
and that's the way I want to run it. And
with that being said, I want to bring on my
guests for tonight, doctor Michael.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Dim all right, Bill, good to be here.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
How you doing, Doc?
Speaker 3 (04:22):
All right, how's it going today? I would love what
you just said, you know, I very heartfelt and it
certainly shows your your passion for what you do. Just
in a few minutes, I just heard it coming on.
I was, I was, I was briefly a part of that.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Well you were. It's it's interesting because we go back
got to be like twelve years ago, thirteen years ago,
something like that with the hospital, and uh, you know,
it's been it's been a roller coaster. I mean, you know,
we have and a lot of people don't realize all
the backside stuff that has to be done with what
I do, especially with foods, and you know, the between
(05:02):
a pet side and a human side, the different regulations
that fall into place and are changing on the moment
the moment basis you know, the shortage of the food shortages.
I'm the one to see if fees at first when
I can't get the meats that you need for your
your path and the quality that I need herbals the
same way, because the marketplace is changing every moment of
(05:23):
the every day. It's really you know, it's really a
tough part of it. Taste a lot of time and
of course you know where I am most of the
day when there's customers, it's out there talking with them
and you know, explaining how and you know, I mean
I do consultations, lets do you You know, I book
a half hour time, you know, consultation it's it's sometimes
(05:45):
two and a half three hours, so that they I
want them to totally understand what what we're going at
and what we're looking at. And that's the most satisfying
part is when we see these animals, you know that
we're given You know that one dog was given five
days to live and it was poisoned and here it
is now nine months later and the dog is healthy
(06:06):
and happy, you know, and you know we've discussed this
on the show many many times. So how are you
doing today?
Speaker 3 (06:12):
I'm doing well, doing well, you know, and busy, busy
few weeks. You know, I went to a holistic vet
meeting here in West Pond as you know. You know,
that was quite interesting, always interesting to get here new information.
But you know, to me, and I posted something about this,
(06:32):
you know, there's so much information and ways and modalities
and different approaches that we have to be careful not
to get lost in a sea of you know, too
many holistic approaches because again that then it becomes no
different than Western conventional medicine, right, Bill, I mean.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
It's exactly right. I mean I had a client come
in that she didn't a client against for about three
weeks now. Their dog went through surgery for cancer, for
tumor remover, and she made the switch, starting on herbs
and botanicals and everything else they wanted to do it,
you know, get the healing process going in the right direction.
(07:12):
And she followed up with the oncologists, I guess in
the last few days. And as soon as she mentioned
that she was feeding real food, oh my god, the
warning bells went off. The red lights were flashing in
the office. Oh my god. You know, as soon as
if that walked in because he was talking with one
of the attacks, everything you know, it's like, oh my god,
you can't do that. They actually referred to a board
(07:36):
certified or a veterinary formulator and put something together, at
which time they were told, well, there's nothing you can
do for cancer with foodtritionists. I mean yes, And it's
like I'm doing it. I'm seeing what's going on, and
you're telling me what and I paid for what? Now
you were at the conference? What did you see? In
(07:59):
that respect?
Speaker 3 (08:00):
I shared that with you. I said, there was so much,
you know, attempts at a kumbaya approach to feeding our animals,
in other words, more of the along the lines of
you know that, and some of it was anti raw,
you know, showing some cases where animals, let's say, didn't
do as well with raw or had very poor suppliers
(08:21):
of their raw food diets. And they presented there was
some nutritionists that were, you know, having the horn of
just being more you know, whole food balanced, you know,
different ways of the feeding that you and I both
don't agree with, you know, And I shared that with you.
I even't shared with you one of the websites that
one of the nutritionists, and I think I think you
(08:45):
have some comments on it.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Yeah, it's it's you know, it's amazing when we look
at it in that first off, one of the first
things they say is, well, it's not complete and balance.
That's impossible with a dynamic, isn't it exactly?
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Yeah, so so you know, I mean, that's probably the worst,
you know, marketing ploy, the most dishonest marketing ploy that
you could ever give to them, because that body is changing.
You get a dog with cancer and you start feeding
a one of our protocol diets and doing the rotation
and the herbs which are part of the diet. Those
(09:24):
are all foods, and the body's changing as you're going
along and getting better. What bails you need. You don't
need the same nutrients at the beginning of that treatment
as you do when they're basically cancer free.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Yet I hear you. I mean it's it becomes I
mean over analytical, over you know, looking at micro minerals
and you know, on on, like you said, on a
daily basis, these needs change, and our animals kind of
know instinctually what nutrients they need and don't need. And
you know we in the wild and you know, I
(10:00):
know in your foods, you know they're they're balanced there
they're fresh, they're human grade, all those good things, and
you know, they were just trying to look at it,
and then they were using an argument that you know,
in a traditional Chinese medicine perspective, certain meat shouldn't be
fed and certain you know, and I know, you know,
we've had conversations on that before, and you know, I
(10:21):
I don't toast a test of that. I mean, between
that and the allergy testing that people are now doing.
You know, that's another big thing I saw at the conference.
There's this increasing number of labs that are offering all
sorts of testing, not just heavy metals or you know testing,
but just overtesting, overtesting.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
And you know, and you and I know that most
of those test results are bogus anyway, they're not even
accurate because allergies, especially allergies, that's just another form of
detox about it. Doing it naturally, well.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
That's what I say, you know, and you know, like
if they keep feeding the same protein, they're going to
get allergic to that, to develop an intolerance to that
over time. So I mean, the whole idea of of
you know, kind of you know, coming up with pre
made recipes and then using traditional Chinese medicine principles as
the reason why they should be eating certain foods. I
(11:15):
don't agree with it at all.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
It's it's it's really crazy when we set this up
and think about that. It's you know, it's getting to
a point and the food side too, even for us
to formulate some of the things because some of the
secondary cuts of meat because of changes in the in
the USDA policy, we can't. We have trouble getting things
(11:38):
like hearts and liver and kidney and spleen and you know,
all of these because now they were they're requiring specialty
inspectors on property just to look at the liver and
the kidney.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
And you have to you know, in the slaughterhouse has
to pay for that service to the government. And you know,
if you're a small boutique, you know, slaughterhouse or processor,
you can't afford to be paying that person to be
sitting there doing nothing ninety percent of the time.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Right right. Absolutely. And the other thing that they brought
up Bill was about I guess there's a you could
comment more on this area of expertise, an increasing number
of resources that aren't very good and giving bad names
to fresh roll feeding using computer programs. Oh yes, you know,
maybe you could comment on some of that. I mean,
that's another big thing out there with fresh diets, well diets.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Right, Well, the whole thing is is in order to
be you know, every cut of meat has different nutritional profiles,
and you know we try to lump it all together.
You know, well you can't feed beef because it's a
hot meat, and you other feed this. It's like, no,
what cut are you doing? What quality are you doing?
You know, there's a big difference between you know, a
(12:54):
top select you know, prime steak, ribbi and even a tenderloin,
same cow, same animal. Basically muscles that are almost touching
each other actually are together except for a membrane between them.
And yet because they do different things in the body,
they have different nutritional you know, nutrients and flavors and
(13:17):
tenderness and all of that. And it just drives me
crazy that they just like throw it all in one
big barrel and you know, oh you can't do.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
That, right. Well, I think what they were also common on,
as I said, was they have these computers that you know,
they put in what the animal's needs are, and then
they're coming up with recipes based upon computer generated you know.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Right, And that's part of the part of the issue
with the computer generated as well, is because okay, we're
looking at just a couple of basic parameters, protein levels,
carbohydrate levels, you know, fat levels, that sort of thing,
and it comes up with an algorithm that that's going
to give you the best. But if you don't know,
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you know, what are you going to send the customer? Okay,
you have to get a you know, two pounds of
tenderloin from a black angus that's two and a half
years old, you know, and it's been aged for thirty days.
I mean, you can't do that with a computer, you know.
And you you know, you go to all this expense,
you put it down on the floor and the dog
(14:20):
looks at you like, are you kidding me? You know,
and especially when you start throwing in because it you know,
based on you know, the algorithms that are being generated
by the they basically the Big Floor with their prescription
type diets and all of that, because that's what they're
using it as a model. You're throwing in all these
ingredients that literally the pet food companies get exclusively because
(14:44):
they're not food items, right, So how do you how
can you balance it out? I mean, you know, oh,
well add some broccoli and some kale. Well, how was
that broccoli and kale raise? You know, it's what's vitamin
content of it? Oh well, you have to use this
vitamin something suplement. You know, when we put it together
with these supplements, and as we've had discussions many times
(15:05):
supplements don't work, you're actually throwing off as much help
as you can possibly do. You're throwing everything else at
a way. So you just go from problem the problem,
the problem, the problem. And you know that's not sharing
the animal right right.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
No, That's why I mean when I go to these meetings,
I mean I hadn't been to an hvm A meeting
a long time. I mean there's this big kumbah yah
you know approach, and that's great. We all, you know,
it's a it's a diverse group of veterinarians. But I
think we get tend to get as far far a
move from the basic models of health that you know
(15:41):
it comes out to, and it over complicates things and
creates problems. As you said, So you know, I found
some good information that I bring back to practice, and
you know, went to some lectures on mushrooms and the
microbiome and different aspects of it. But you know, as
I shared with you, it's it's very it's over complicating health.
(16:02):
And that's why you don't need to evolve into all
these new tests and new ways of feeding. Well, we
just have to go back to the basics, go back
to the to the palio model.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
That's essentially what it is. And it's funny because, of course,
you know, when I started doing cancer, one of the
first thing papers I wrote was on the ketogenic diet
and dogs nobody knew what a keto diet even was,
you know, fifteen eighteen years ago, twenty years ago, and
you know, we were using the strictly for cancer. Well,
research has just come out and shows that the ketogenic
(16:39):
diet the right ways good for Alzheimer's, dementia, seizures, autism,
all those things. And you know why, because it's a
natural way that we would be eating in nature as
primitive people. And then you know, that's why basically when
you find a lot of these primitive civilizations, that's what
(17:00):
they're doing. You know, they quite often downplay the animal
component in that diet because obviously we have an agenda,
you know, and then we can use those exotic fruits
that you can only find on that one island in
the middle of the Pacific. You know, we're going to
add it to our special diet and you're gonna be
(17:21):
you know, saved from everything. It's you know, it's just
I was looking at a protocol for parasites that somebody
was asking me if this was any good and basically
it's my heart warm and parasite, but in a tincture form,
which of course you know that changes it the start with.
And they threw in I think two exotic fruits. Well, what,
(17:44):
there's the original work. Why would you do that just
to say you're different and you know, to to be
able to market it a lot different, and you know,
it's you know, we have to step away from that marketing.
We have to ask those questions. And you know, as
a as a consumer, as your pet parents, it's up
to you. It's not up to the veterinarian. You know,
(18:05):
you're you know, in an allopathic clinic. Your visit with
the actual veterinarian is probably five to ten minutes at most,
and what can they what could you learn in that
five or ten minutes without asking a thousand questions. We're
at the break right now. We're going to be right
back with the answers to these questions and more.
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Speaker 2 (20:31):
Healthier and Welcome back to the Pet Health Cafe, the
show where your Pet has Voice. This is Bill the
Pet Health Guru, along with my special guest doctor Michael
Demm veterinarian, extraordinary homeopath, and we're you know, we're trying
(20:57):
to get through some of this off you you were
explaining some of this stuff about the conference that you
were at, and it's you know, there's supposed to be
learning and you know, sharing information and that sort of thing.
But in a certain regard that learning that you're doing,
shouldn't it be mainstream anyway?
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Yeah, really should be, Bill, As I said, it's the
problem is is that you know, when people come within
a conventional medical perspective, it's still relying on substances outside
of what the animal or the human should normally be
eating or getting for health. And so you know, it's
(21:38):
that's you know, whenever you're bringing the Western medical model
into anything, it becomes problematic for you know, to actually
breach pure health. I mean, Western medicine has its place
where trauma injuries, foreign body obstructions in our animal patients.
But you know, when we're using it to try and
you know, blend the best of both worlds, I find
(22:00):
that I've evolved out of that perspective, and well.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
It's it's so you know, it's it's when I look
at it that way, and I always say there's a
place for medicine, especially in emergency medicine. But when you know.
You you know, somebody goes to one of year allopathic
you know colleagues, and they do all these tests, you know,
thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars worth of tests
to come up with a probable issue that emergency at
(22:30):
a emergency doctor. They don't have they don't have the
at hand results from those tests because they never ran them.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
You know.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
You you you're bleeding to that you can't. Let's run
another CT scan or you know, let's do a few
more X rays before before we even start. And uh,
you know, you know the results on that it's not good.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
No, So you know, that's the big thing with the
meetings is as I said, and then some of the
lectures on some of the products I mentioned mushrooms earlier,
you know, and there was a whole series of lectures
on the micro biome and and watching it. It was
more a lot of the lectures were more research oriented
(23:15):
and sharing research rather than real life medicine. That's that's
frustrating for Yeah, that's one.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Of the things you know, I tried to explain, and
that's what I was explaining in the beginning to show
is that which you know, we need to put it
into a perspective that the average pet owner, the average
family head of the family can understand that. You know,
you don't have time to first off, you don't have
the expertise to wreate down all that research anyway. And
(23:44):
I honestly believe that most of most of the doctors,
most of the veterinarians don't. You know, they're looking at
the conclusions, and they're looking at what generally the we're
looking at the conclusions exactly, and you're looking at it. Oh, well,
this says it works for this, so therefore I'm going
to do it. I mean, since we opened this, since
we opened Fiesta Petelli almost twenty years ago, I used
(24:05):
to joke around depending on what was coming in on
the veterinary medicine magazines every month that was a disease
of the month, and you know, we would suddenly see
a you know, a tremendous number of clients coming in
my dog was diagnosed with and then the next month, oh,
it changed again, and it changed again, and it changed again.
And it's like, I don't know what to do as
(24:26):
a pet owner because every time I go to my
ved and being told something different.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Right, right, we bring up a good point about you know,
we want to put it into a usable thing for
the pet owner. It's equally as important as you mentioned
and hinted that make it usable for the veterinarians. So
I came out of several of these talks, as I said,
the information was very good, and I just was hoping
it would be a little more practical oriented rather than
(24:51):
research orient. That wor I mean, I don't know what
they're talking. I mean, you know, I'm not a researcher.
I'm a I'm a clinician seeing animals and every day,
every day practice, right, So you know that was that
was my big criticism of it. But you know, as
I said, it's it's an annual meeting of people from
around the country. It's you know, we Uh I hadn't
(25:12):
been to one in a few years, and uh, you
know I did get some useful information, but you know,
I was like, for example, in the mushroom lecture, I'm like,
I don't need to hear about how they're harvested and
ghost individually, how they prepare it in the lab. And
I don't I mean.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Even something like that. Okay, they're mushrooms, their food. Why
do you have to prepare them in a lab, you know, yeah, right,
I mean I've got I've got yeah, we're showing that
the mushroom blend, and I think she has the Fusion
fourteen there as well. I've got a couple of samples
sitting here on my on my desk, a Taki mushroom
(25:53):
for instance, I've got that one, and you know, from
our biocomplete line and I've got you know, we do
it all. Yeah, we do the fusion you know, the
Fusion fourteen. That's fourteen different ones. We don't sell all
of them individually because some of them are very very
difficulty in, but we have the eight or ten most
common ones. And what are we looking to do with them?
(26:16):
You know? Basically, as you know, I don't know if
they told you this in that lecture or not, but basically,
mushrooms are great for detox They're great for bringing in minerals.
Minerals are the key to all of it. That's what
we're all deficient and that's what our pets are deficient in.
And it just you know, and it's funny because of
the research that's being done. For instance, we brought in
(26:40):
I guess about two years ago, I started working with
a mushroom called Tremella, and when I brought it in,
the number one used for Tremella mushrooms at that point
in time was in skincare product because it helps out
the skin, the dermal layers. They're using cosmetics and things
like that. Well, now I got a whole list of
(27:00):
different things. I mean, they're using it for cancer, obviously
a lot of mushrooms are, but weight loss, liver cleaning,
ronic coughs, you know, with all this pollution, you know,
use you know, every single pet owner that walks in
the door by dog's coughing, My dog's coughing, got mukis. Okay,
here's a mushroom. We didn't know this five years ago
(27:23):
when we first started researching it, but now the research
is coming out that that's what it does and nerve
damage dementia, you know, for even you know, and not
on the same side, not only for our dogs, but
for our pet owners. You know how many pet owners
you talked to they can't remember what they fed their dog,
if they fed their dog in the morning. You know,
(27:44):
it's a good question of our mushroom powders all natural, absolutely,
that's all we do. You know, everything is from the
grower directly to us. And again, why do they have
to do something in a lab?
Speaker 3 (27:57):
We don't, right, there's no fillers, there's no latitudes.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
I get it though, Yeah, because that's the way you know,
in nature, that's the way they would they would be
taking them. And many times a lot of those you know,
herbals and botanicals. Because that was brought up a little
earlier too. How do how do the herbs and botanicals work? Well,
if you get a puddle upon you know, a depression
underneath a tree where water accumulates, the nutrients that are
(28:24):
in that water are going to be directly inputed into
that animal through I want to say it is an
herbal tea. It's that simple. Yeah, you know the urbral
te's that you buy at the health food store, they've
been they've all been processed too. You've got to go
back to those natural powders in their most natural form
unless you can get the real stuff, the fresh stuff,
(28:46):
and that would obviously be number one.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Yes, yeah, you know so, I mean the lectures were good,
but uh, you're all the points you're bringing up, Bill,
Like I said, That's why I was texting you from
the lecture the same bill. Can you believe this? Can
you believe that it's and you know, I, like I said,
you put it beautifully. It's just it's the way nature intended.
(29:11):
That's how we want to feed. That's how we want
to supplement. And I don't want to use the term supplement,
but feed. That's like you said, they're all right, foods
and botanicals, and that's what I that's my how I
explained to my clients as you taught me so well.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Now, you know, one of the issues that we have
sometimes is they don't understand that when you sprinkle it
on their food and things of this nature, they haven't
been exposed to this stuff the first, second, third time around.
This is all brand new to them, and basically they
have to identify it and it's something that they need.
And you know, sometimes we have to disguise things, you know,
(29:46):
and of course we do that with things like bone broth.
You know, raw honey is another good way to you know,
mix in some of these herbals and botanicals and mushrooms
and that sort of thing so that we can get
it into the body. And of course we're starting out,
you know, most most that's most doctors and most pet
owners don't understand. We're not starting out with a clean body.
(30:07):
We're usually starting out with a train Wreckoretti. Even if
you think, even if you think you're healthy and your
dog is healthy, they've been exposed to so much for
so many generations, and at those those oxens that create
that algae probably started with great great great grandmother in
the form of you know, the preventative things that we
(30:28):
don't talk about anymore, and uh, you know all the
flea and tick and you know.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Even you don't talk about it anymore. I do.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
I know you can't get sensored. You know, the censor
my show, not yours. But I mean even looking at
when I look back at even you know, the common
parasite problems, the fleas, the ticks, that sort of thing.
You know, I've seen it go from basically trying to
(30:58):
use like a natural pirate Eastern product back in the
sixties and the seventies to then more advanced and some
of the more advanced things turned out to be thursbaand
you know for fires, which was a weapon of mass destruction,
it was actually a bio weapon that they were using
in flea products, and of course now the topical stuff
and the you know injection and you know, building this
(31:22):
stuff up because the body can't clear it, can it.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
No, it's and they're just coming out with more and
more products like this. The twelve month heart hurt injection.
You know, it's no longer a pill, it's now an
injection that lasts for twelve months. The flea medicine that
lasts for twelve months. So you just go to your
vet and the allopathic pushes. You know, you don't have
to worry about giving these things. They're safe. They've been
studied for a minute and a half. You know, the
(31:47):
you know, five animals didn't fall over and die within
three days. So therefore we're going to approve these medicines.
And and that's the wave of the future is simplicity,
the you know, the toxis, the load on the body.
Bill is just amazing that. You know, there's a topical
ear medicine that a lot of the clients who have
had allopathic treatment of their animals ear issues. There's an
(32:08):
allopathic ear medicine that you put in the ears that
last for four to six weeks. So that sounds great, right,
You just put the medicine in once and that's the
end of it. But it's like it's in there, and
what is it doing. It's being absorbed and it's suppressing
the life force and exactly and you know it's clogging
up the lymphatics and you know where that's the wave
(32:31):
of the future is I know longer and lasts longer.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
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Speaker 2 (34:21):
And we're back here on the Pet Health Cafe to
show where your pet has a voice. This is build
a Pet Health Guru along with my special guests Michael
Dim veterinarian and homeopath, and we're talking about immunity and
brain disorders and that sort of thing, and of course
mushrooms are very very much a big part of that.
And you know, I mean it's I don't see, Oh
(34:42):
I do see, because I know that it's about the profit.
And you know, we want to have a product that
nobody else can have. It's exclusively ours and you know,
charge what we want, make as much money as we want.
But you know you can do that with food, you know,
by giving good quality and fair pricing and making sure
(35:05):
that you're delivering the best you can. That's what we
try to do. Of course that bile complete, uh and
of course yes, if a Delhi did it, we filled
our products. My Paleo pat a lot of other places
use it as well. And we we just don't think
in a way that when you're you know, what is
supposedly diseased, supposedly sick is not. It's just the body
(35:28):
going through an event and all this all that testing
that that you were talking about. I mean, on any
given day, you could test positive with the right testing
for probably half a dozen ailments and you and you know,
if you're if you lead a healthier lifestyle, you know,
modern you know, natural exercise, eating clean foods, things of
(35:51):
that nature, and get retested a week later, a lot
of that stuff can be gone. I mean, I saw
a statistic that kind of blew me away in the
last couple of days about colon cancer that it's one
hundred percent curable with doing nothing except eating clean.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
And that makes sense because the colon is the you know,
that's the the tox success pool of the body that
the toxin is going to build up. So yeah, just
clean it out. I got an I got an email
today from the Perspective client who's you know, wants to
do a console. My dog has cancer throughout its lungs.
We don't know the source yet. I need I have
an appointment with the oncologist to find out. We'll get
(36:33):
and then.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
I'll make no source there. Colleges doesn't know how you
got it. He's going to try to isolate what kind
of cells they are, you know, and and you know
what chemically can I possibly use with cancer?
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Bill, as you know, and that took a long time
for me, as an allopathically trained you know, vet to
get out of that mindset that we have to diagnose
through aspirin or biopsy or psychology or taking the tissues out.
We have to find out exactly what the cancer is.
Is it a mass cell cancer? Is it this cancer?
(37:07):
Is it that cancer? And that'll determine our treatment. And
as you know, what you and I do, it's that's
no bearing on it whatsoever. It took so long for
me to grasp that, even though it's so basic.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
I mean, if you could have heard me when I
was talking to the girls in the store today about
the colon cancer thing, is it's not a thing. Every cancer.
I would say at least nine the cancer cells that
are in the body, and those aren't even cancer cells.
They're basically regular cells that have turned cancerous because they're
deformed and that because of the toxins. But they're going
(37:40):
through that colon. If they stick to the wall of
that because you were eating a lot of starchy foods,
you're gonna test positive absolutely, you know. And if you
turn around and take some cod liver oil or some
cancer oil, guess what, it's gone, because it's going to
clean out every.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
Right, especially exactly it's you.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Know, and that's that's the whole thing. And you you
and I have talked about it so many times that
when you get these lumps and bumps, these tumors, especially
on dogs, the bodies pushing the cancer out, you know,
when they go in and do tumor removers. Oh, I
removed all the lymph nodes. Those were the filters. Stupid,
you know, you just you just broke down the bodies.
So now it can't filter out the bad stuff. So
(38:28):
what are you going to get more cancer? Well, you know,
it's just a different way of looking at it.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
Right. I had a client today that came in because
of kidney person was wanted to send me lab results
and wanted to know my opinion on whether they're animals
diagnosed with kidney disease and they and money was no
object to these people. So they wanted to know if
they should get a kidney transplant. That was their question,
and where could they get it? And I said, you know,
(38:56):
how about just rebuilding what those kidneys are?
Speaker 2 (38:59):
Yeah, I'm feeding Chinese medicine, feed like with like give
your dog a ton of kidneys and clean it out.
You know we've got there's there's hundreds of herbs and
botanicals and foods on the face of this earth that
will help clean out. And oh, by the way, what
are you using? Clean water without fluoride, without chemicals, without microplastics, without.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
Yeah, we often forget that. I meant absolutely.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
I've got an article coming out. I was talking about
food and and and uh, water are the two most
important things. Well, you need living water? Live water? Okay,
where do you get it in nature? In raw foods,
it's in the meat, it's in the in the natural herbs.
If they're in a fresh form, they're in certain vegetables.
(39:50):
If they're in a fresh form and you're getting but
you don't only need the water. You need the minerals
that go along with that, that will bind to those cells,
that will take it in to those cells the mitochondria
and rebuild it.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
It was just a question earlier about whether we need
to supplement with minerals and animals on a rough that diet.
And that's the mentality, you know.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
Right, it's not supplementing specifics, it's about a whole overall
general that when you when you use different herbs and
herbal teas and things like that, it's going to be
in it the variety of diet where you know, if
the if the beef is coming only from Florida, you know,
that's great, but we've got mineral deficiencies in our own
soil down here, so the grass of they're eating isn't
(40:36):
going to be complete. So we have to look at
different things like this because of agricultural processes as well,
regenerative farming, all of that, and then of course we
have to look at the chemtrails. We have to detox.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
That's the major word, detox. Bill.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
I literally was at a supplier last week and when
I pulled it into the parking lot. The sky's opened up
a typical Florida and should you say, a non typical
Florida rainstorm where you all of a sudden's dumping a
bunch of water in one small area. You know that
it's being directed through weather modification. When it stopped, I
got out of my truck, went over and grabbed a cart.
(41:12):
I figured, okay, this cart was sitting out in the
parking lot. It was just all washed off because of
the food you know, supplier. So this is all washed off,
so it is going to be clean. I grabbed on
to it. It was oily. The whole thing was covered
in oil that came down from the sky.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
Wow, that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
People don't think about it. You turned on you know,
when you have that happen, sometimes turned on your windshield
wipers at the end, let it, let it rain, and
then turn on your winshield wipers. And it's streaked back
and forth. You're in you're inhaling that your dog is
walking in it. You can't, you know, breathing in as well.
You're tracking it into your freaking ouse.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
You know.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Yeah, and you know, if you're not detoxing, and like
you say, mushrooms are a big part of that in
our in detox, I mean, because it's doing all who
does a dual purpose is bringing in nutrients and it's
taking out the bad stuff. So when your dog vomits
when it eats, it just took out a whole bunch
of bad.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
Stuff, right. And I'm counseling people who can't say it enough.
But when animals have discharges, vomiting, diarrhea, skin eruptions, ear inflammation,
we don't want to be clogging those outlets up with
anti diarrheals, anti vomiting medicines, topical steroids and antibiotics. I
(42:28):
know we don't want our animals to be uncomfortable, but
we have to support that detox process otherwise it's just
is a vicious cycle. It just goes over and over exakly.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
I don't know if we had any other questions that
we did not answer yet, Rebel, if you've got anything
in there that we can comment on the end of
the show, because we're as always up against the end.
Can we in our pets get enough minerals, you know,
from the food and herbs, Absolutely, if they're raised ethically
and regineratively as all the powders are natural and you
(43:01):
know it's was the mantra of the first company that
I did a nutrition, real food for real pets, and
that sunds it all. Doctor Dim. How can people get
in touch with you so we can keep this crusaf going.
Speaker 3 (43:15):
They can go to my website which is doctordim dot com.
That's d O C T O R D y M
dot com and as all my contact information my email address.
I usually get back to people within the day.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
Yep, that last question. Can you put it in your coffee? Absolutely?
Some of the mushrooms don't always blend very well, you know,
because because of the plant matter and it's dry. But
you know, you can run it through the coffee maker
just like everything else. You can mix it in with
you know, a little bit of honey, just taking it
out of spoon, and a lot of these things actually
(43:50):
taste pretty great. With that being said, thank you all
for watching, Thank you for being here. Let's get this
show out more and more often. Keep sharing it wherever
you can. And with that being said, let's see, Oh yes.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
You do have to worry about that.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
Anything that says m r N A.
Speaker 3 (44:10):
Run question was one of my clients, all right, yep.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
Run, that's actually that's that's that's the apramen now run
run run. All right. Thank you for listening, folks, and
we'll be back in another week. Good night.
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