October 9, 2025 • 47 mins
Has your pet been the victim of veterinary malpractice? Have you paid for expensive testing, drugs, and treatments that did not help and maybe harmed your pet? What about recommending or insisting on harmful medications for fleas, heartworms, and other parasites? Can all those V*xx harmful?
Doctor Dym and I give you the facts and how the medical community protects their interest.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Any health related information on the following show provides general
information only. Content presented on any show by any host
or guests should not be substituted for a doctor's advice.
Always consult your physician before beginning any new diet, exercise,
or treatment program. And now it's time for Pet Health Cafe,
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where your Pet has a Voice. And here's your host,
Bill the Pet Health Guru.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
And welcome to the Pet Health Cafe that shows where
your Pet has a Voice. This is Bill the Pet
Health Guru, and I have another exciting show lined up
for you tonight. It's kind of a almost a continuation
of the conversation of we had a couple of weeks ago.
As always, I want you to share this with as
many people as you can. Do it right now so
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you don't forget, so they can come in on it,
make sure that they like and subscribe, so we get
our algorithms up. We need to get this information out
the more and more people because our message is becoming
so very very important to the health of our animals
and even our families as well. It's kind of a
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mission that we're really working on here, and that's very
very important. The chat is open. I encourage you to
put questions in your comments in and we will just
keep rolling along with these topics and getting you more
and more information. Tonight, I want to talk about a
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topic that's been very painful, if you will, to me,
and that's the of course, we started on the show
a couple of weeks ago about abuse. But I want
to talk tonight about what is malpractice and how do
we determine it and what can be done about it?
And with that I got my special guest, doctor Michael
Dimmu as always my expert on this kind of stuff.
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So how you doing, Doc? Not too bad? You know.
It's uh unfortunately, you know, and I've brought this topic
up and you're well aware of it because we've had
several really really challenging cases recently with you know, people
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going through the yellopathic model and the amount of misinformation,
the amount of overtesting, over prescribing, things of that nature,
and at some point in time that has to enter
into the realm of malpractice, doesn't.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
It absolutely sure those you know, in my mind, it does.
You know.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
It's unfortunate that standard of care my allopathic colleagues has
amped it up up to such specialty medicine that you know,
the testing and the referrals or gotten so out of
control and you know we're not, uh, we're not giving
our patients better care. And what happens during this these
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huge workups is is often mistakes and sometimes the obvious
is miss and we end up with cases with poor
outcomes and you know they can order on our practice
or negative for sure.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
You know, I mean by definition, you know, in the
in the veterinary trade, what would be a determining factor
or you know, a kind of definition of what malpractice
really would be.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Well, it's actually, honestly to build the opposite.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Now, practice would be either the either a failure to
perform certain tests to diagnose the patients. So it's actually
the opposite of what you and I are or misapplication
of testing where interpretation is below what's considered a standard
of care. And in those cases we end up with,
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you know, cases again that have poor outcome and you know,
and our animals are the ones who suffer, and the
guardians of course.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Well yeah, I mean it's it's it's kind of a
catch twenty two. I realize that you know, one of
the things that of course is a side effect of that,
of course, is the high cost of the care, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
It sure is, Yeah, the cost of the care just
to paint, even just the routine exams. You can't get
away with less than eighty to one hundred dollars for
just even having an event look at your animal. And
as you always say, usually that's done for just a
few minutes. But the cost of the testing and the
cost of diagnostics and the procedures is so way out
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of bound. And you know, our guardians then end up
having that gans end up spending all their money on
these routine tests, and then they don't have anything left
for treatment or appropriate treatment, even if it's Western medicine treatment.
They don't have any money left for that much less
you know, proper diet, detoxing and herbal.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
It certainly makes our job very, very difficult. And you know,
because you know, some things are just so obvious to
you and I you know, it's like, you know, you know,
dog has got diarrhea vomiting, I mean, which is a
symptom of basically every disease that's ever been discovered. You know,
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it's it's one of the first symptoms that the body
is got is basically trying to just eliminate a problem.
And the approach on the aellopathic side, of course, is
plug them up and you know, try to disinfect them
if you will, with antibiotics and you know, steroids and
you know anti diarrheal, anti vomiting drugs, fluids, all this
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other stuff before they've even got a diagnosis. And I
think that's probably the biggest streategy tragedy, is they're treating
something something without even diagnosing or really looking at what
the problem is.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Most of the time we don't even make a diagnosis
even after all this testing and everything.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
I mean, you and I had a.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Recent shared case last week of an animal that went
in with a very high fever and weakness.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
You know, they ran all sorts of tests, right, they
all got a low platelet number, and they thought it
might have cancer, and then they thought it had an
order of view.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Issue, and you know, it all said and done, they said, well,
we think it's a bacterial or viral infection from from
the intestinal track. I mean, come up with such bs
diagnoses that don't have any basis whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Yeah, And I mean then at the end of the day,
of course, then they came back with a final determination
that it was some court of some kind of strange
cancer that they couldn't diagnose. And of course, unfortunately, you know,
the client lost the dog. You know, it's it's very unfortunate.
But you know the fact of the matter is when
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I looked at it, immediately I knew there was something
going on with in the gut. You know, that usually
indicates some sort of toxicity, whether it's already built up
in the body and it just hit an extreme point,
or there was another external factor that kicked it over.
I know, this person had been traveling, and so the
dog was a bit stressed, the pet sitter, things of
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that nature. All these things can be triggers, and yet
you know, they just kept It was funny because the
conversation I had it was like the that was just
doing a checkbox on a computer. You know, is this
a symptom? Click here? If it's not, click here, you know,
and then the next thing, the next line, the next line,
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the next line. It was like robotics, and you know,
it went off on so many different tangents over four
or five days days that it was it was, you know,
just insanity basically.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
And yeah, if you remember the history that patient before
it came to see us, it had years and years
of tumor removals and cancer removals and lungs and I
just want to specific and when we do that to
our animal patients, we weaken their healing abilities, we weaken
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the life force of the chie and the animal. And
so you know that also probably played a role too,
is that this patient was so suppressed with previous harsh
treatment that it did affect the body's ability to you know,
to fend off toxins at the heel. I mean, I
don't believe we don't die from cancer per se. No, No,
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it's as you say, it's toxicity.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
And and of course you know, I don't know if
if you've seen, you know, any listings yet or that
I had requested that we possibly get the records, but
who knows how many drugs were prescribed that and treatments
over that four five six days. I mean, it's funny,
I you know, I know that she went for was
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it an MRI or Catsian looking for the looking searching
for cancer, which didn't reveal what they were looking for.
But I saw a research thing that came out in
the last couple of days that basically the dyes they
use the contrast eyes are more problematic than a radiation. Sure,
how long have they been doing this, you know, to
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humans as well as animals.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Right right?
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Yeah, yeah, And so you know, you go through this
whole diagnostic crusade.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
And as I said, when I.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Spoke to the person a week a few days before,
they were like saying, well, we believe it's some weird
virus of bacteria. We need to use antibiotics, and the
antibiotics are what weaken the patient's defenses.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
And you know, just cause things are just unravel even
more so.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Yeah, and you know, I mean this is just one
of several that we've gone through in you know, the
last month. I mean it's like almost every other you know,
every other day, we're getting something else that's like I panicked,
I went to the I went to the yellow path,
and then they're then they get in fights on the
other side of it. And this is why I ask
about what is really malpractice? I mean, you know, you
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go in here, your dog isn't is off on. You know,
we're obviously after seeing you and I we're already aware
that there's an issue with the animal that we are
working to correct those issues, make them into a healthier state.
And they walk into the office, and of course, you know,
right now, one of the preliminary questions is what are
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you feeding? If you say raw food? Oh my god,
you know you're now in a fight with a veterinarian
who's never studied nutrition, right, and now, how can you
have a relation, a healing relationship with that so called professional,
because I don't think that seems very professional in itself.
You know, I'm here because I have a problem. Let's
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look at the problem that look at you know, your
political or you know, your philosophy on foods that you
never studied. That's not a part of the equation. It's
not even a part of it for the most part,
unless you're obviously feeding you know, rat poison or something
of that nature. And I don't think most people are
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doing that anyway.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
No.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Yeah, but you know, when when a doctor or veterinarian
starts going down these rabbit holes, if you will, prescribing
and recommending products that are that are known in the
scientific literature in the you know, adverse event records that
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they are dangerous. I mean, I believe that should be malpractice.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
You're right, it should be built.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
But unfortunately it's as I mentioned at the outset, it's
often considered the standard of care. I mean, we had
another mutual case that I go to today on a
phone recheck where it was a little three pound kihuahua
that went into heart failure, you know suddenly, and the
guardian took you know, had to go to the er
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and they did a good job. They stabilized it and
removed the fluid with you know, the diuretics and all
of that. But now that they've stabilized that, they want
to put the dog on a whole slew of drugs,
whole slew of medication, and the dog weighs built three pounds,
and as I said, a mutual pine of ours that
I can work together.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
And she's born because she keeps being.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Dragged by my alopetic colleagues to just do more testing,
more fear, more drugs by noosis, things, this, that the
other thing, and she doesn't know what to do, I mean,
and so she gets to me that is now practice,
and you know it's just such overtreatment and some of
these drugs to manage the heart failure, haven't you have
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been shown to work?
Speaker 3 (13:01):
You know, So it's just it's.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
It's it's not only that they haven't been shown to work,
but in many cases none of them have been tested
on animals. And of course, especially when you have such
a wide range from that little three pound huhuahua to
that two hundred and fifty pounds you know, bull mastiff,
what's even a correct dosage? I mean, you know we've
gone through that with you know, the injectables that one
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size fits all. I mean, it's it's it's there's no
common sense to start with. And now we do it
as a prescribed procedure, if you will, and you know,
and and of course on the other side of that,
it's like, okay, we gave them, we gave them that treatment,
we send you home. Most cases, there's no real follow up,
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there's no instruction on what to do next. What you
can expect. You know, this is a list of adverse
events that can happen. You know, because even if you
ask if this, if this treatment will help or harm,
and if so, what would be the side effects? Most
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of your allopathic colleagues can't even tell them.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Can they that they can?
Speaker 2 (14:17):
So what are they doing?
Speaker 4 (14:19):
What are they doing? I mean with this little with
this little three pound dog. You know, they have a
whole laundry list of drugs and they want to put
this little dog on and they all have side effects,
and then how this has a poor protagnosis and they
have to feed no more raw food. We have to
put them on a low salt processed diet.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
And the woman rightfully is asking me what do I do?
Speaker 4 (14:44):
And you see, as a veterinarian, I have to say,
you know, what they're recommending is their standard of care.
And you know, the body can do some remarkable things,
and you know they it's about either having trust or
faith in wisdom of the body and the ability to heal,
or giving in to the fear based model.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
That is what, in my opinion, is not prop.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Now one of the things you just mentioned, and I
want to bring it up, but I had an email
on one of the other sites that was asking for
consultation and looking to fix your dog. But the dog
was diagnosed with a mild case of arthritis, and it
was recommended that the dog had to be on a
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low or no protein diet for our thritis. A seven
year old I think it was a seven year old
dog at seven years old, because we don't want renal failure. Now,
maybe you can tell me how our threatus and renal
failure are like blended together, because that made no sense
to me at all.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Right.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
In fact, actually, actually it's kind of contraindicated because you
need protein to hold hold the body together, to build
that muscle mass, and to get the minerals in the body,
and we're fighting a mineral deficiency exactly. I don't know.
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I guess, I guess I should take up drinking again.
I'll tell you, because you know, it's it just doesn't
make sense. But one of the other things you said
is it's low salt loads, you know, diets. Why is
it that with dogs and cats, the recommendation out there
is completely no salt at all, any kind of salt,
and yet every other animal that we have domesticated, all
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our farm animals, that sort of thing, we always put
out salt blocks.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Yeah, everything from the you know, from mice to rats
to hamsters, gerbils, guinea bigs, rabbits, you know, and of
course horses, cows, sheep everything, right, and of course that salt,
that sodium is needed for stuff for hydration. We're moving
the nutrients through the blood stream keeping that blood very
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very hydrated, isn't it exactly?
Speaker 4 (17:07):
Yeah, So this particular patient, the heart patient with the
low salt has a low chloride, which is you know,
goes along with sodium, right, and the low chloride they
were saying, as a very I've never heard of this,
but again more fear prognostic indicator in terms of survival.
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So they were very worried about it, and they said, well,
we have to do this other test on the urine.
We'll see if we are even more at risk for
early death. And they were recommending, you know, they said,
with all these diuretics, your animal is gonna, you know,
be low potassium, so we need to give you some
artificial potassium supplement. And so it just goes on and
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on and on.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
You know, now I'm even more confused because I know
that when the specialty diets came out, we were having
all these renal problems in cats and it was because
of hyphosphorus supposedly. You know, It's like so many of
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these statements just counter each other that on this side,
it's one thing, this side on the other, and when
we're gonna be up against break here in about fifteen seconds.
But it's a lot of what I've been going through
lately is it's not about these single numbers and these
single tests for different vitamins and minerals because they're using
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each other and you don't always have There is no
minimums and maximums really unless it's a synthetic. We'll be
right back after this quick break.
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Speaker 2 (21:02):
Right and we're back here on the Pet Health Cafe
to show where your pet has a voice. This is
built the Pet Health Guru along with my special guests
doctor Michael dimm and we're talking about malpractice and uh,
you know, improper testing and you know all the things
that pet owners are unfortunately having to deal with. Again,
like everybody to share, well, I.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
Want to go with that is you know, I for years,
I don't even know if you're familiar with, but I
was on a board that I was participating with social
media group that you know, actually was the voices for
you know, pet owners that were victims of malpractice called
Joey's Legacy, and it was a very you know, I
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used to review cases all the time. And it's more
than just it's it's not even just the testing. It's
even the use of the drugs, the antibiotics that don't
have indication. In fact, the company was started, the movement
was started because the founder of that organization, his dog
was prescribing an antibiotic that can cause kidney failure and
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it's used every day across this country called Convenient. And
it's convenient because it's a two week antibiotic shot, but
it lasts in the body about two months. And anyway,
so his dog was given convenient and it went into
kidney failure, and that started him on a mission to say, hey,
why wasn't my dog given this drug? Why wasn't my
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dog's blood test at first to make sure? So anytime
we use these pharmaceuticals and the laundry list of side
effects we see, we can't forget that they are a
big cause of maufactor, the pharmaceuticals and.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
The drug reactions.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
And you know, just as much as me over and misdiagnosed, misdiagnosed.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Yeah, I mean, like I said, well as you started
to say, if you got any questions or comings, and
please get them into the chat, because I know a
lot of our clients that are out there listening have
experienced probably multiple cases of this, you know, and multiple
times sometimes in a single animal's life. You know, they
seem to bounce back, and you know, at that point
in time, the doctor is obviously a genius. But yet
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when you start, you know, the next the next round
of disease or health challenges, when you start to look
at that, you're looking at the side effects, the adverse
events from what he was given in the last round,
and you know, we have to start adding this stuff up,
don't we.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Yeah, I think so very important, you.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Know, like it was started to say before the break,
you know, the vitamins and minerals. They're doing more and
more testing of this, and of course they're they're using it.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
You know.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
All I can say is they're probably using it to
sell supplements. But when you start using synthetic supplements, you're
throwing off the balance anyway to start with, because the
body can't use it in the right way. And the
thing is when you start looking at just pure numbers,
depending on what the body is doing, it doesn't need
the same amount of calcium or phosphorus or tassium or
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iron every single day. Because the body is dynamic, it's
changing it. And of course these things that are combining
with other nutrients that are in the body so that
the variables are like you know, just through the roof,
aren't they absolutely?
Speaker 4 (24:27):
Absolutely, But there's that always that movement build a look
at the nutrients and isolation of them.
Speaker 6 (24:34):
Why well, it's like the body parts the body, right,
it's just you know, a big one lately is in
ventary medicines, medicine, vitamin D three.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
They're looking at that deficiencies and part disease and inflammatory
bowel disease and cancer.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
So we have to measure D three.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
Now we have to put the movement in the functional
medicine world is measure D three levels and then start
animals on vitamin D three if it's low. And as
I'm sure you would say, that's just not very wise.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
No, well, I mean when you when you look at
I mean, that's a good example of one, you know,
because when you look at calcium, and you look at
the use of calcium. Okay, first off, aluminum, which of
course is in chemtrails and in round up, and you
know a lot of different therapies that that doctors and
veterinarians use actually blocks the use of calcium. Of course, calcium,
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we know is tied to phosphorus and potassium, and you
know magnesium and manganese and all of that, and of
course that's tied to iron, net and copper and so
that whole thing. In order to use the calcium, you
still need the vitamin D and you need the K two.
So if you take the vitamin D out, it doesn't work,
take the K two out, it doesn't work. So you
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could measure that D three and is it low because
we don't have enough in a body or because it's
used in the tissue itself in the healing process. Yeah,
you know we're finding that out on the iron part
of that and not a copper part of that especially,
but yeah, that might have indeed thing that that's a
part of what they're looking at with the copper thing
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as well, because if it's low, it means the body's
using it. It's like a good thing. You know. It's
like you're driving down the road and you've got half
a tank of gas. At least you still got gas,
you know, without any it's one thing. But when it's
being burned as energy and fuel, that's a good thing,
not a bad thing. And of course we talk about
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that with symptoms the same way all the time. Yeah, absolutely,
So you know, you know, we talked a little bit
in the last show that you were on about the
clients abuse too, and this actually ties into it because
when does that become malpractice?
Speaker 3 (26:50):
That's true too, emotional and verbal abuse.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
Yeah, pressure, I mean to me, that's that is a malpractice.
It's just that unfortunately it's like the good you know,
the good old boys club or the good old girls club,
you know, the veterinary boards, you know, were really they
go to bat for the veterinarians offer, and of course
they have malpractice insurance and that takes care of things.
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And keep in mind that the other thing that's really tragic,
Bill is that unfortunately animals are still viewed on viewed
as as property. The value of them it's only what
you paid for them at the store or or you know,
what they're worth, and a depreciating model.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Like a car. And it's really tragic.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
But hopefully that's going to be changing soon as you know,
this issue becomes more more made aware of.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
And it is really really said on that part of it,
because even if even if it was a blatant you know,
a blatant problem rust off, most attorneys will not take
it because of that property value. That property value is
not going to be over what maybe five thousand dollars
if you're lucky, even if you pay more for the animal,
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who's going to judge what the value of that animal is?
And you know, for an attorney to spend time fighting
this stuff, they're expensive, you know, so they don't want
to take most of these cases. They can't make any
money at it. They're in a money business too, So
you have a problem there. But the other thing is
is where can people actually go to final complaints. I mean,
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I don't I don't think I've ever walked into an
animal hospital that you know, at least in the back
of a of a semi truck or a delivery truck
that says, you know, report any bad driving one eight
hundred whatever. You know, I've never seen a sign like
that in a in an animal hospital, right right, But
there should be.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
The definitely should be.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
Yeah, you know, I think somebody posted the questions out
about an animal guide from Free Poisoning.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Or let's bring it back up there. We were actually
two questions that popped in here.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean flea medicine. I mean those
those medications what everyone to call them pesticides.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
I mean that's what they are.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
I mean, they are neurotoxins and parsigens, and so to me,
just using those is for me blatant practice, you know,
but it's again, that's the standard of care by the
allopathic allopathic mindset.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Yeah, Well, I mean a good one on end, and
I had this actually my notes, I was gonna bring
it up a little bit earlier. But let's take the
heartworm prevent the drugs that on the label says, this
is not a preventive. It's a treatment for something your
animal doesn't have. It's clearly stated. So if you, as
(29:46):
a professional veterinarian, tell me it's a prevention, isn't that again,
shouldn't that be malpractice?
Speaker 4 (29:53):
It should be, but it's unfortunately, practically speaking, it's not
considered that.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Right by you know, and of course the fleet predator
the same way. This is not you know, these are treatments.
These are treatments for them.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
And now they have these injections, Bill, I just read
a report. I mean they now they're pushing a six
and twelve non heartworm injection where you get a single
injection and it gives you six to twelve months of protection.
What about an animal it has a reaction for that,
that's to live with that poison in the body for
six to twelve months or more.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Absolutely, well, it's just talking about malpractice.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
I mean, it's informed consent goes by the wayside with.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Profession, you know, on our local animals, you know, and
of course you know we've worked in the clinical situation
as well together, but you know, taking out the dogs
that are shipped in from the islands and things like
that that you know, being tied outside and exposed to heartworm,
you know a lot more readily than our normal house
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dogs and that sort of thing. Most of the cases
I've saw I've seen of heartworm positive animal have been
on this prevention. So is that malepractice? I think, so yeah, okay,
so you know, I mean, it's we're gonna be if
I get breaks through about another two minutes. It's like
(31:15):
we keep looking at the test, the overtesting, the abuse
to the owners, the feeding you know, uh, you know,
I said. Another one was told on an eight month
old puppy, if you continue to feed raw, your dog
will be dead of kidney failure in two years right now.
First off, I guess that practitioner needs a little bit
(31:38):
more practice because he's playing god. He knows what the
checkout date is, right. You know, how many animals have
you looked at that said, oh my god, this animal
probably is going to be dead within two weeks, three weeks,
four weeks, and you're still treating him five years later,
six years later. Exactly why would you put the fear,
(31:59):
that negative energy into that owner, which is then transferred
to the animal.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Absolutely true, good point.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Yeah, it's you know, it's.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
Yeah, it's it's tragic.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
But you know, the you know, to get back to
the malpractice issue bill is that it's so rampant in
this profession and and you know, informed consent is so
not given. Whether it's the injectables you know that we don't,
Mama show, or whether it's the pesticides that are different,
or the drugs, the antibiotics, steroids, and so many of
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those drugs have such a laundry list of side of
them that the guardian has a right to know what
those are.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
And most of the time we're not told, they're not.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Told, they're not told at all. I know we're going
to be right back after this quick break with a
bunch more information for you.
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Speaker 2 (34:30):
Welcome back to the Pet Health Cafe to show where
your pet has voice. This is Bill the Peth Health
Gurgle along with doctor Michael dim and again I want to,
you know, let people know that the chat is open.
We can see there's some questions coming in popping up
as we're talking here and uh again, share and like
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and subscribe so we can get this message out. I
think this is a you know, just like our abuse
conversation a couple of weeks ago. I think this is
something that people really you have to start up thinking
about and you know, trying to figure out how, you know,
what kind of advocacy needs to be done on behalf
of our pets. And you know, on the other side
(35:12):
of that too. Why I wanted to have this conversation
with you. You being you know, on the alternative so
called alternative side, but it's on the real side actually
that how you're restricted in what you can say and do,
and you know what you're up against because you know,
(35:32):
we know when we were in you know, as a
part of a practice that you know, other veterinarians were
complaining because we wouldn't do some of those injectables, We
wouldn't do them according to their standard of care. And
you know, unfortunately, we were spending more money on attorneys
than we were bringing in the front door. And you
(35:52):
know that was stupid, right right.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Uh uh, I mean you know that's for another discussion. Yeah,
the injectibles.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Yeah, I mean, you know, my philosophy is I don't
do them. I'm sorry, you know. And and you know,
I've seen over over over my sixty years, I've just
seen so much bad stuff and so much, so much
stuff that was hidden and buried on the research side especially,
you know, you know, you're seeing stuff that's coming out
(36:27):
of course, even on our human technologies as well, that
this stuff never existed, you know, I mean, look at
the dangers of raw milk. I mean, come on, every
every living mammal starts life with raw milk. Yeah, I mean,
you know, you can't deny that they wouldn't be alive
if they didn't, you know. And so where is the
(36:51):
real science? And I think it was a question that
came up, how do you know if you're being told
the truth? We have that question that came up, I
guess someplace in the Yeah, how are we supposed to
know they were being led to you by a doctor? Well,
you just really don't know the answers.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
I mean, they're very very good at what they do,
you know, And and they speak with such with such
conviction that it's so it's almost like they're preaching to you,
and that's what they're doing. They're living, And it's hard
to know when you're and I guess the best way
to know is to just be your own advocate and
(37:30):
do your own research.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
I mean, certainly with AI and Google.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
Their goal these ways that at least get some rudimentary knowledge.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
You don't want to practice medicine that way. But at the.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
Same time, there's you know, and when I give my
own lectures, I always tell people, always question what you're hearing,
you know, never just take anything that anybody tells you
no gospel.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
You know.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
That's why the word doctor you've heard me say on
many shows Bill means teacher. Yeah. Teacher's job is to
give people information and allow them to make an informed decision.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
But if you're.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
Uncertain about that information and you got to do your
own you should do our own research and be our
own athlete.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Yeah, we have to, we have to do it. I mean,
that's what you and I do. You know. Unfortunately twenty
four to seven, you know, that's why we needed one
of us sleep. It's like, what's that? Yeah, I know,
but yeah, it's it's it's very tough to get through
the jungle out there, if you will, of misinformation and opinions,
(38:36):
and you know, everybody's got an opinion, You know it.
You know, I always go back to the raw feeding
type thing, the real food, real food, real food. I
did a I just did another article for another magazine,
and I'm talking about the way the labeling laws work
and how deceptive they really are. That you know, if
(38:57):
you can, you know, the definition on a bag of
pet food can be chicken. Is that a you know,
a whole whole bird, just freshly slaughtered, all the parts
and pieces there that's processing to it. Or is it
you know, that's fit for human consumption? Or is it
a condemned one that's been previously dyed and been coated
(39:19):
with chemicals and everything else. Is it a bunch of
parts maybe just the frames you know where they take
it off, all the good edible parts. And of course,
according to you know, the FDA and the Department of Agriculture,
you cannot claim now human great pet foods, it doesn't
(39:40):
exist in their brain. It's illegal to say that. And
yet you know that's what I've been doing for twenty
some years, absolutely, you know. So it's it's a wall
that's being put up so that you can't do your
job the best way you know how. And I can't
do mind the best way I know how. And yet
(40:02):
every day you and I know, we see impossible cases
and we see actual results. You know that dog that that, oh,
you might as well just put it to sleep because
there's no quality of life. They're in pain. We change
the diet. We had a couple of remedies. You know
it's homeopathic or or you know, we had some different
herbs and botanicals, things of that nature. And you know
(40:25):
they call up the next week. I need to get
ordered more because the dog is I need to double
my order because the dog is running around the yard
like it was a puppy again. Right, What does the
veterinarian say to that? What does that doctor say when
the when the client cook, I can't believe it? Now,
why can't they believe it?
Speaker 4 (40:44):
Just because you're challenging their religion. You're challenging religious dogma
which is ingrained into the psyche of the young veterinarian
at a very young age, right in that school. And
when you challenge somebody's know, philosophy or dogmatic belief, it's
it becomes threatening.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
You know. Of course, you know I've been I've been
dealing with that on that on that heartworm side of
it in Paris, I think for twenty years when we
started first using you know, botanicals or heartworm, and our
clients would go into the office and you know, they
try to push to the commercial products as no, I'm
doing it naturally, but what are you doing? Okay? They
tell them, well, I don't know anything about that, and
(41:26):
they go in six months later with their little postcard
back then and you know, no, I'm doing it. I
told you I'm doing it naturally. Well, I don't know
anything about that. And then the client would call would
come to me and say, I took the I copied
this stuff off the Internet and I took it and
dropped it off at the front desk for the veterinarian.
They go in the next visit and it's the same thing. Oh,
I didn't see it. I didn't. I didn't have It's
(41:48):
actually literally what maybe a two minutes three minute read.
Speaker 4 (41:52):
Yeah, yeah, you know part worm. That's what about malpractice bill?
What about the statement that they make if you don't
get your dog tested, you could make your animal, you
could kill your animal if you give him anything. You
got to make sure he's negative first before you give
an herb or.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's the other big part of it.
I mean, yeah, I'm testing it's negative all the time.
So I'm going to keep treating him for something he
doesn't have and then wonder why the immune system falls apart. Yeah,
you know, and you know, and then I have to
you know, the dog's been doing good on the diet
of been feeding, but you know, I need to change
it immediately to a synthetic pile of garbage that you
(42:33):
can't even describe how it works or why it works,
or if it's even food because most of it is
not food. You cannot buy it any place to make
your own.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
Right.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
It's okay, Bill, come down, cause I'm back down like
a test to the ceiling right now. But it's it's
the truth. I mean, you would think that somewheres along
the line they would come to the real that there's
someplace is a path where you know, emergency medicine, you know,
(43:05):
some of the drugs, some of the pharmaceuticals, you know,
that sort of thing will come into play with what
the natural system is. But they put such a big
divide between it. You have to be one way or
the other, and unfortunately, our pets can't tell us what's
going on with them. So we're at the end of
the show again like always that now goes by too fast.
How can people reach you and so that we can
(43:27):
keep helping these poor animals because obviously they need it.
Speaker 4 (43:30):
Well, they can go to my website which is doctordim
dot com spelled out d O C T O R
D y M dot com and that has all my
contact information, information on my practice and how to get
a hold of me. I do check my emails every day,
so I usually return those with them within hours.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
That's you know, it's it's you know, it's a it's
a challenge for you and I. You know, fortunately our
camp is growing bigger and bigger and bigger. But you know,
as soon as the clients hit that wall, that allopathic wall,
everything comes into question. And you know they don't I mean,
I think that abuse part of it is a big
(44:09):
part of it too. They just do not want to
be beat up, and you know, sometimes they're going to
avoid going because they don't want that harassment, and that's
unfortunate as well. With that being said, I want to
thank everybody for watching tonight and listening, and I'll be
back again in another week. Have no idea what my
topic will be next week, but I'm sure it's going
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to be another exciting one. But share this with all
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So let's get the message out. Keep sharing, please, and
doctor dim thanks for being on again. Always a pleasure,
and let's just kick button take names, good night, everybod.
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where your Pet has a Voice. And here's your host,
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Speaker 2 (00:41):
And welcome to the Pet Health Cafe that shows where
your Pet has a Voice. This is Bill the Pet
Health Guru, and I have another exciting show lined up
for you tonight. It's kind of a almost a continuation
of the conversation of we had a couple of weeks ago.
As always, I want you to share this with as
many people as you can. Do it right now so
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make sure that they like and subscribe, so we get
our algorithms up. We need to get this information out
the more and more people because our message is becoming
so very very important to the health of our animals
and even our families as well. It's kind of a
(01:23):
mission that we're really working on here, and that's very
very important. The chat is open. I encourage you to
put questions in your comments in and we will just
keep rolling along with these topics and getting you more
and more information. Tonight, I want to talk about a
(01:43):
topic that's been very painful, if you will, to me,
and that's the of course, we started on the show
a couple of weeks ago about abuse. But I want
to talk tonight about what is malpractice and how do
we determine it and what can be done about it?
And with that I got my special guest, doctor Michael
Dimmu as always my expert on this kind of stuff.
(02:06):
So how you doing, Doc? Not too bad? You know.
It's uh unfortunately, you know, and I've brought this topic
up and you're well aware of it because we've had
several really really challenging cases recently with you know, people
(02:29):
going through the yellopathic model and the amount of misinformation,
the amount of overtesting, over prescribing, things of that nature,
and at some point in time that has to enter
into the realm of malpractice, doesn't.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
It absolutely sure those you know, in my mind, it does.
You know.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
It's unfortunate that standard of care my allopathic colleagues has
amped it up up to such specialty medicine that you know,
the testing and the referrals or gotten so out of
control and you know we're not, uh, we're not giving
our patients better care. And what happens during this these
(03:16):
huge workups is is often mistakes and sometimes the obvious
is miss and we end up with cases with poor
outcomes and you know they can order on our practice
or negative for sure.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
You know, I mean by definition, you know, in the
in the veterinary trade, what would be a determining factor
or you know, a kind of definition of what malpractice
really would be.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Well, it's actually, honestly to build the opposite.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Now, practice would be either the either a failure to
perform certain tests to diagnose the patients. So it's actually
the opposite of what you and I are or misapplication
of testing where interpretation is below what's considered a standard
of care. And in those cases we end up with,
(04:10):
you know, cases again that have poor outcome and you know,
and our animals are the ones who suffer, and the
guardians of course.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Well yeah, I mean it's it's it's kind of a
catch twenty two. I realize that you know, one of
the things that of course is a side effect of that,
of course, is the high cost of the care, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
It sure is, Yeah, the cost of the care just
to paint, even just the routine exams. You can't get
away with less than eighty to one hundred dollars for
just even having an event look at your animal. And
as you always say, usually that's done for just a
few minutes. But the cost of the testing and the
cost of diagnostics and the procedures is so way out
(04:54):
of bound. And you know, our guardians then end up
having that gans end up spending all their money on
these routine tests, and then they don't have anything left
for treatment or appropriate treatment, even if it's Western medicine treatment.
They don't have any money left for that much less
you know, proper diet, detoxing and herbal.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
It certainly makes our job very, very difficult. And you know,
because you know, some things are just so obvious to
you and I you know, it's like, you know, you know,
dog has got diarrhea vomiting, I mean, which is a
symptom of basically every disease that's ever been discovered. You know,
(05:36):
it's it's one of the first symptoms that the body
is got is basically trying to just eliminate a problem.
And the approach on the aellopathic side, of course, is
plug them up and you know, try to disinfect them
if you will, with antibiotics and you know, steroids and
you know anti diarrheal, anti vomiting drugs, fluids, all this
(05:56):
other stuff before they've even got a diagnosis. And I
think that's probably the biggest streategy tragedy, is they're treating
something something without even diagnosing or really looking at what
the problem is.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Most of the time we don't even make a diagnosis
even after all this testing and everything.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
I mean, you and I had a.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Recent shared case last week of an animal that went
in with a very high fever and weakness.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
You know, they ran all sorts of tests, right, they
all got a low platelet number, and they thought it
might have cancer, and then they thought it had an
order of view.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Issue, and you know, it all said and done, they said, well,
we think it's a bacterial or viral infection from from
the intestinal track. I mean, come up with such bs
diagnoses that don't have any basis whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Yeah, And I mean then at the end of the day,
of course, then they came back with a final determination
that it was some court of some kind of strange
cancer that they couldn't diagnose. And of course, unfortunately, you know,
the client lost the dog. You know, it's it's very unfortunate.
But you know the fact of the matter is when
(07:09):
I looked at it, immediately I knew there was something
going on with in the gut. You know, that usually
indicates some sort of toxicity, whether it's already built up
in the body and it just hit an extreme point,
or there was another external factor that kicked it over.
I know, this person had been traveling, and so the
dog was a bit stressed, the pet sitter, things of
(07:32):
that nature. All these things can be triggers, and yet
you know, they just kept It was funny because the
conversation I had it was like the that was just
doing a checkbox on a computer. You know, is this
a symptom? Click here? If it's not, click here, you know,
and then the next thing, the next line, the next line,
(07:53):
the next line. It was like robotics, and you know,
it went off on so many different tangents over four
or five days days that it was it was, you know,
just insanity basically.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
And yeah, if you remember the history that patient before
it came to see us, it had years and years
of tumor removals and cancer removals and lungs and I
just want to specific and when we do that to
our animal patients, we weaken their healing abilities, we weaken
(08:27):
the life force of the chie and the animal. And
so you know that also probably played a role too,
is that this patient was so suppressed with previous harsh
treatment that it did affect the body's ability to you know,
to fend off toxins at the heel. I mean, I
don't believe we don't die from cancer per se. No, No,
(08:48):
it's as you say, it's toxicity.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
And and of course you know, I don't know if
if you've seen, you know, any listings yet or that
I had requested that we possibly get the records, but
who knows how many drugs were prescribed that and treatments
over that four five six days. I mean, it's funny,
I you know, I know that she went for was
(09:11):
it an MRI or Catsian looking for the looking searching
for cancer, which didn't reveal what they were looking for.
But I saw a research thing that came out in
the last couple of days that basically the dyes they
use the contrast eyes are more problematic than a radiation. Sure,
how long have they been doing this, you know, to
(09:32):
humans as well as animals.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Right right?
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Yeah, yeah, And so you know, you go through this
whole diagnostic crusade.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
And as I said, when I.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Spoke to the person a week a few days before,
they were like saying, well, we believe it's some weird
virus of bacteria. We need to use antibiotics, and the
antibiotics are what weaken the patient's defenses.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
And you know, just cause things are just unravel even
more so.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Yeah, and you know, I mean this is just one
of several that we've gone through in you know, the
last month. I mean it's like almost every other you know,
every other day, we're getting something else that's like I panicked,
I went to the I went to the yellow path,
and then they're then they get in fights on the
other side of it. And this is why I ask
about what is really malpractice? I mean, you know, you
(10:20):
go in here, your dog isn't is off on. You know,
we're obviously after seeing you and I we're already aware
that there's an issue with the animal that we are
working to correct those issues, make them into a healthier state.
And they walk into the office, and of course, you know,
right now, one of the preliminary questions is what are
(10:41):
you feeding? If you say raw food? Oh my god,
you know you're now in a fight with a veterinarian
who's never studied nutrition, right, and now, how can you
have a relation, a healing relationship with that so called professional,
because I don't think that seems very professional in itself.
You know, I'm here because I have a problem. Let's
(11:01):
look at the problem that look at you know, your
political or you know, your philosophy on foods that you
never studied. That's not a part of the equation. It's
not even a part of it for the most part,
unless you're obviously feeding you know, rat poison or something
of that nature. And I don't think most people are
(11:22):
doing that anyway.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
No.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Yeah, but you know, when when a doctor or veterinarian
starts going down these rabbit holes, if you will, prescribing
and recommending products that are that are known in the
scientific literature in the you know, adverse event records that
(11:46):
they are dangerous. I mean, I believe that should be malpractice.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
You're right, it should be built.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
But unfortunately it's as I mentioned at the outset, it's
often considered the standard of care. I mean, we had
another mutual case that I go to today on a
phone recheck where it was a little three pound kihuahua
that went into heart failure, you know suddenly, and the
guardian took you know, had to go to the er
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and they did a good job. They stabilized it and
removed the fluid with you know, the diuretics and all
of that. But now that they've stabilized that, they want
to put the dog on a whole slew of drugs,
whole slew of medication, and the dog weighs built three pounds,
and as I said, a mutual pine of ours that
I can work together.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
And she's born because she keeps being.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Dragged by my alopetic colleagues to just do more testing,
more fear, more drugs by noosis, things, this, that the
other thing, and she doesn't know what to do, I mean,
and so she gets to me that is now practice,
and you know it's just such overtreatment and some of
these drugs to manage the heart failure, haven't you have
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been shown to work?
Speaker 3 (13:01):
You know, So it's just it's.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
It's it's not only that they haven't been shown to work,
but in many cases none of them have been tested
on animals. And of course, especially when you have such
a wide range from that little three pound huhuahua to
that two hundred and fifty pounds you know, bull mastiff,
what's even a correct dosage? I mean, you know we've
gone through that with you know, the injectables that one
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size fits all. I mean, it's it's it's there's no
common sense to start with. And now we do it
as a prescribed procedure, if you will, and you know,
and and of course on the other side of that,
it's like, okay, we gave them, we gave them that treatment,
we send you home. Most cases, there's no real follow up,
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there's no instruction on what to do next. What you
can expect. You know, this is a list of adverse
events that can happen. You know, because even if you
ask if this, if this treatment will help or harm,
and if so, what would be the side effects? Most
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of your allopathic colleagues can't even tell them.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Can they that they can?
Speaker 2 (14:17):
So what are they doing?
Speaker 4 (14:19):
What are they doing? I mean with this little with
this little three pound dog. You know, they have a
whole laundry list of drugs and they want to put
this little dog on and they all have side effects,
and then how this has a poor protagnosis and they
have to feed no more raw food. We have to
put them on a low salt processed diet.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
And the woman rightfully is asking me what do I do?
Speaker 4 (14:44):
And you see, as a veterinarian, I have to say,
you know, what they're recommending is their standard of care.
And you know, the body can do some remarkable things,
and you know they it's about either having trust or
faith in wisdom of the body and the ability to heal,
or giving in to the fear based model.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
That is what, in my opinion, is not prop.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Now one of the things you just mentioned, and I
want to bring it up, but I had an email
on one of the other sites that was asking for
consultation and looking to fix your dog. But the dog
was diagnosed with a mild case of arthritis, and it
was recommended that the dog had to be on a
(15:32):
low or no protein diet for our thritis. A seven
year old I think it was a seven year old
dog at seven years old, because we don't want renal failure. Now,
maybe you can tell me how our threatus and renal
failure are like blended together, because that made no sense
to me at all.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Right.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
In fact, actually, actually it's kind of contraindicated because you
need protein to hold hold the body together, to build
that muscle mass, and to get the minerals in the body,
and we're fighting a mineral deficiency exactly. I don't know.
(16:12):
I guess, I guess I should take up drinking again.
I'll tell you, because you know, it's it just doesn't
make sense. But one of the other things you said
is it's low salt loads, you know, diets. Why is
it that with dogs and cats, the recommendation out there
is completely no salt at all, any kind of salt,
and yet every other animal that we have domesticated, all
(16:36):
our farm animals, that sort of thing, we always put
out salt blocks.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Yeah, everything from the you know, from mice to rats
to hamsters, gerbils, guinea bigs, rabbits, you know, and of
course horses, cows, sheep everything, right, and of course that salt,
that sodium is needed for stuff for hydration. We're moving
the nutrients through the blood stream keeping that blood very
(17:04):
very hydrated, isn't it exactly?
Speaker 4 (17:07):
Yeah, So this particular patient, the heart patient with the
low salt has a low chloride, which is you know,
goes along with sodium, right, and the low chloride they
were saying, as a very I've never heard of this,
but again more fear prognostic indicator in terms of survival.
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So they were very worried about it, and they said, well,
we have to do this other test on the urine.
We'll see if we are even more at risk for
early death. And they were recommending, you know, they said,
with all these diuretics, your animal is gonna, you know,
be low potassium, so we need to give you some
artificial potassium supplement. And so it just goes on and
(17:50):
on and on.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
You know, now I'm even more confused because I know
that when the specialty diets came out, we were having
all these renal problems in cats and it was because
of hyphosphorus supposedly. You know, It's like so many of
(18:12):
these statements just counter each other that on this side,
it's one thing, this side on the other, and when
we're gonna be up against break here in about fifteen seconds.
But it's a lot of what I've been going through
lately is it's not about these single numbers and these
single tests for different vitamins and minerals because they're using
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each other and you don't always have There is no
minimums and maximums really unless it's a synthetic. We'll be
right back after this quick break.
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Speaker 2 (21:02):
Right and we're back here on the Pet Health Cafe
to show where your pet has a voice. This is
built the Pet Health Guru along with my special guests
doctor Michael dimm and we're talking about malpractice and uh,
you know, improper testing and you know all the things
that pet owners are unfortunately having to deal with. Again,
like everybody to share, well, I.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
Want to go with that is you know, I for years,
I don't even know if you're familiar with, but I
was on a board that I was participating with social
media group that you know, actually was the voices for
you know, pet owners that were victims of malpractice called
Joey's Legacy, and it was a very you know, I
(21:45):
used to review cases all the time. And it's more
than just it's it's not even just the testing. It's
even the use of the drugs, the antibiotics that don't
have indication. In fact, the company was started, the movement
was started because the founder of that organization, his dog
was prescribing an antibiotic that can cause kidney failure and
(22:07):
it's used every day across this country called Convenient. And
it's convenient because it's a two week antibiotic shot, but
it lasts in the body about two months. And anyway,
so his dog was given convenient and it went into
kidney failure, and that started him on a mission to say, hey,
why wasn't my dog given this drug? Why wasn't my
(22:28):
dog's blood test at first to make sure? So anytime
we use these pharmaceuticals and the laundry list of side
effects we see, we can't forget that they are a
big cause of maufactor, the pharmaceuticals and.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
The drug reactions.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
And you know, just as much as me over and misdiagnosed, misdiagnosed.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Yeah, I mean, like I said, well as you started
to say, if you got any questions or comings, and
please get them into the chat, because I know a
lot of our clients that are out there listening have
experienced probably multiple cases of this, you know, and multiple
times sometimes in a single animal's life. You know, they
seem to bounce back, and you know, at that point
in time, the doctor is obviously a genius. But yet
(23:14):
when you start, you know, the next the next round
of disease or health challenges, when you start to look
at that, you're looking at the side effects, the adverse
events from what he was given in the last round,
and you know, we have to start adding this stuff up,
don't we.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Yeah, I think so very important, you.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Know, like it was started to say before the break,
you know, the vitamins and minerals. They're doing more and
more testing of this, and of course they're they're using it.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
You know.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
All I can say is they're probably using it to
sell supplements. But when you start using synthetic supplements, you're
throwing off the balance anyway to start with, because the
body can't use it in the right way. And the
thing is when you start looking at just pure numbers,
depending on what the body is doing, it doesn't need
the same amount of calcium or phosphorus or tassium or
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iron every single day. Because the body is dynamic, it's
changing it. And of course these things that are combining
with other nutrients that are in the body so that
the variables are like you know, just through the roof,
aren't they absolutely?
Speaker 4 (24:27):
Absolutely, But there's that always that movement build a look
at the nutrients and isolation of them.
Speaker 6 (24:34):
Why well, it's like the body parts the body, right,
it's just you know, a big one lately is in
ventary medicines, medicine, vitamin D three.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
They're looking at that deficiencies and part disease and inflammatory
bowel disease and cancer.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
So we have to measure D three.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
Now we have to put the movement in the functional
medicine world is measure D three levels and then start
animals on vitamin D three if it's low. And as
I'm sure you would say, that's just not very wise.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
No, well, I mean when you when you look at
I mean, that's a good example of one, you know,
because when you look at calcium, and you look at
the use of calcium. Okay, first off, aluminum, which of
course is in chemtrails and in round up, and you
know a lot of different therapies that that doctors and
veterinarians use actually blocks the use of calcium. Of course, calcium,
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we know is tied to phosphorus and potassium, and you
know magnesium and manganese and all of that, and of
course that's tied to iron, net and copper and so
that whole thing. In order to use the calcium, you
still need the vitamin D and you need the K two.
So if you take the vitamin D out, it doesn't work,
take the K two out, it doesn't work. So you
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could measure that D three and is it low because
we don't have enough in a body or because it's
used in the tissue itself in the healing process. Yeah,
you know we're finding that out on the iron part
of that and not a copper part of that especially,
but yeah, that might have indeed thing that that's a
part of what they're looking at with the copper thing
(26:12):
as well, because if it's low, it means the body's
using it. It's like a good thing. You know. It's
like you're driving down the road and you've got half
a tank of gas. At least you still got gas,
you know, without any it's one thing. But when it's
being burned as energy and fuel, that's a good thing,
not a bad thing. And of course we talk about
(26:33):
that with symptoms the same way all the time. Yeah, absolutely,
So you know, you know, we talked a little bit
in the last show that you were on about the
clients abuse too, and this actually ties into it because
when does that become malpractice?
Speaker 3 (26:50):
That's true too, emotional and verbal abuse.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
Yeah, pressure, I mean to me, that's that is a malpractice.
It's just that unfortunately it's like the good you know,
the good old boys club or the good old girls club,
you know, the veterinary boards, you know, were really they
go to bat for the veterinarians offer, and of course
they have malpractice insurance and that takes care of things.
(27:16):
And keep in mind that the other thing that's really tragic,
Bill is that unfortunately animals are still viewed on viewed
as as property. The value of them it's only what
you paid for them at the store or or you know,
what they're worth, and a depreciating model.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Like a car. And it's really tragic.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
But hopefully that's going to be changing soon as you know,
this issue becomes more more made aware of.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
And it is really really said on that part of it,
because even if even if it was a blatant you know,
a blatant problem rust off, most attorneys will not take
it because of that property value. That property value is
not going to be over what maybe five thousand dollars
if you're lucky, even if you pay more for the animal,
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who's going to judge what the value of that animal is?
And you know, for an attorney to spend time fighting
this stuff, they're expensive, you know, so they don't want
to take most of these cases. They can't make any
money at it. They're in a money business too, So
you have a problem there. But the other thing is
is where can people actually go to final complaints. I mean,
(28:27):
I don't I don't think I've ever walked into an
animal hospital that you know, at least in the back
of a of a semi truck or a delivery truck
that says, you know, report any bad driving one eight
hundred whatever. You know, I've never seen a sign like
that in a in an animal hospital, right right, But
there should be.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
The definitely should be.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
Yeah, you know, I think somebody posted the questions out
about an animal guide from Free Poisoning.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Or let's bring it back up there. We were actually
two questions that popped in here.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean flea medicine. I mean those
those medications what everyone to call them pesticides.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
I mean that's what they are.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
I mean, they are neurotoxins and parsigens, and so to me,
just using those is for me blatant practice, you know,
but it's again, that's the standard of care by the
allopathic allopathic mindset.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Yeah, Well, I mean a good one on end, and
I had this actually my notes, I was gonna bring
it up a little bit earlier. But let's take the
heartworm prevent the drugs that on the label says, this
is not a preventive. It's a treatment for something your
animal doesn't have. It's clearly stated. So if you, as
(29:46):
a professional veterinarian, tell me it's a prevention, isn't that again,
shouldn't that be malpractice?
Speaker 4 (29:53):
It should be, but it's unfortunately, practically speaking, it's not
considered that.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Right by you know, and of course the fleet predator
the same way. This is not you know, these are treatments.
These are treatments for them.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
And now they have these injections, Bill, I just read
a report. I mean they now they're pushing a six
and twelve non heartworm injection where you get a single
injection and it gives you six to twelve months of protection.
What about an animal it has a reaction for that,
that's to live with that poison in the body for
six to twelve months or more.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Absolutely, well, it's just talking about malpractice.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
I mean, it's informed consent goes by the wayside with.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Profession, you know, on our local animals, you know, and
of course you know we've worked in the clinical situation
as well together, but you know, taking out the dogs
that are shipped in from the islands and things like
that that you know, being tied outside and exposed to heartworm,
you know a lot more readily than our normal house
(30:54):
dogs and that sort of thing. Most of the cases
I've saw I've seen of heartworm positive animal have been
on this prevention. So is that malepractice? I think, so yeah, okay,
so you know, I mean, it's we're gonna be if
I get breaks through about another two minutes. It's like
(31:15):
we keep looking at the test, the overtesting, the abuse
to the owners, the feeding you know, uh, you know,
I said. Another one was told on an eight month
old puppy, if you continue to feed raw, your dog
will be dead of kidney failure in two years right now.
First off, I guess that practitioner needs a little bit
(31:38):
more practice because he's playing god. He knows what the
checkout date is, right. You know, how many animals have
you looked at that said, oh my god, this animal
probably is going to be dead within two weeks, three weeks,
four weeks, and you're still treating him five years later,
six years later. Exactly why would you put the fear,
(31:59):
that negative energy into that owner, which is then transferred
to the animal.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Absolutely true, good point.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Yeah, it's you know, it's.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
Yeah, it's it's tragic.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
But you know, the you know, to get back to
the malpractice issue bill is that it's so rampant in
this profession and and you know, informed consent is so
not given. Whether it's the injectables you know that we don't,
Mama show, or whether it's the pesticides that are different,
or the drugs, the antibiotics, steroids, and so many of
(32:33):
those drugs have such a laundry list of side of
them that the guardian has a right to know what
those are.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
And most of the time we're not told, they're not.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Told, they're not told at all. I know we're going
to be right back after this quick break with a
bunch more information for you.
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Speaker 2 (34:30):
Welcome back to the Pet Health Cafe to show where
your pet has voice. This is Bill the Peth Health
Gurgle along with doctor Michael dim and again I want to,
you know, let people know that the chat is open.
We can see there's some questions coming in popping up
as we're talking here and uh again, share and like
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and subscribe so we can get this message out. I
think this is a you know, just like our abuse
conversation a couple of weeks ago. I think this is
something that people really you have to start up thinking
about and you know, trying to figure out how, you know,
what kind of advocacy needs to be done on behalf
of our pets. And you know, on the other side
(35:12):
of that too. Why I wanted to have this conversation
with you. You being you know, on the alternative so
called alternative side, but it's on the real side actually
that how you're restricted in what you can say and do,
and you know what you're up against because you know,
(35:32):
we know when we were in you know, as a
part of a practice that you know, other veterinarians were
complaining because we wouldn't do some of those injectables, We
wouldn't do them according to their standard of care. And
you know, unfortunately, we were spending more money on attorneys
than we were bringing in the front door. And you
(35:52):
know that was stupid, right right.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Uh uh, I mean you know that's for another discussion. Yeah,
the injectibles.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Yeah, I mean, you know, my philosophy is I don't
do them. I'm sorry, you know. And and you know,
I've seen over over over my sixty years, I've just
seen so much bad stuff and so much, so much
stuff that was hidden and buried on the research side especially,
you know, you know, you're seeing stuff that's coming out
(36:27):
of course, even on our human technologies as well, that
this stuff never existed, you know, I mean, look at
the dangers of raw milk. I mean, come on, every
every living mammal starts life with raw milk. Yeah, I mean,
you know, you can't deny that they wouldn't be alive
if they didn't, you know. And so where is the
(36:51):
real science? And I think it was a question that
came up, how do you know if you're being told
the truth? We have that question that came up, I
guess someplace in the Yeah, how are we supposed to
know they were being led to you by a doctor? Well,
you just really don't know the answers.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
I mean, they're very very good at what they do,
you know, And and they speak with such with such
conviction that it's so it's almost like they're preaching to you,
and that's what they're doing. They're living, And it's hard
to know when you're and I guess the best way
to know is to just be your own advocate and
(37:30):
do your own research.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
I mean, certainly with AI and Google.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
Their goal these ways that at least get some rudimentary knowledge.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
You don't want to practice medicine that way. But at the.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
Same time, there's you know, and when I give my
own lectures, I always tell people, always question what you're hearing,
you know, never just take anything that anybody tells you
no gospel.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
You know.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
That's why the word doctor you've heard me say on
many shows Bill means teacher. Yeah. Teacher's job is to
give people information and allow them to make an informed decision.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
But if you're.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
Uncertain about that information and you got to do your
own you should do our own research and be our
own athlete.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Yeah, we have to, we have to do it. I mean,
that's what you and I do. You know. Unfortunately twenty
four to seven, you know, that's why we needed one
of us sleep. It's like, what's that? Yeah, I know,
but yeah, it's it's it's very tough to get through
the jungle out there, if you will, of misinformation and opinions,
(38:36):
and you know, everybody's got an opinion, You know it.
You know, I always go back to the raw feeding
type thing, the real food, real food, real food. I
did a I just did another article for another magazine,
and I'm talking about the way the labeling laws work
and how deceptive they really are. That you know, if
(38:57):
you can, you know, the definition on a bag of
pet food can be chicken. Is that a you know,
a whole whole bird, just freshly slaughtered, all the parts
and pieces there that's processing to it. Or is it
you know, that's fit for human consumption? Or is it
a condemned one that's been previously dyed and been coated
(39:19):
with chemicals and everything else. Is it a bunch of
parts maybe just the frames you know where they take
it off, all the good edible parts. And of course,
according to you know, the FDA and the Department of Agriculture,
you cannot claim now human great pet foods, it doesn't
(39:40):
exist in their brain. It's illegal to say that. And
yet you know that's what I've been doing for twenty
some years, absolutely, you know. So it's it's a wall
that's being put up so that you can't do your
job the best way you know how. And I can't
do mind the best way I know how. And yet
(40:02):
every day you and I know, we see impossible cases
and we see actual results. You know that dog that that, oh,
you might as well just put it to sleep because
there's no quality of life. They're in pain. We change
the diet. We had a couple of remedies. You know
it's homeopathic or or you know, we had some different
herbs and botanicals, things of that nature. And you know
(40:25):
they call up the next week. I need to get
ordered more because the dog is I need to double
my order because the dog is running around the yard
like it was a puppy again. Right, What does the
veterinarian say to that? What does that doctor say when
the when the client cook, I can't believe it? Now,
why can't they believe it?
Speaker 4 (40:44):
Just because you're challenging their religion. You're challenging religious dogma
which is ingrained into the psyche of the young veterinarian
at a very young age, right in that school. And
when you challenge somebody's know, philosophy or dogmatic belief, it's
it becomes threatening.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
You know. Of course, you know I've been I've been
dealing with that on that on that heartworm side of
it in Paris, I think for twenty years when we
started first using you know, botanicals or heartworm, and our
clients would go into the office and you know, they
try to push to the commercial products as no, I'm
doing it naturally, but what are you doing? Okay? They
tell them, well, I don't know anything about that, and
(41:26):
they go in six months later with their little postcard
back then and you know, no, I'm doing it. I
told you I'm doing it naturally. Well, I don't know
anything about that. And then the client would call would
come to me and say, I took the I copied
this stuff off the Internet and I took it and
dropped it off at the front desk for the veterinarian.
They go in the next visit and it's the same thing. Oh,
I didn't see it. I didn't. I didn't have It's
(41:48):
actually literally what maybe a two minutes three minute read.
Speaker 4 (41:52):
Yeah, yeah, you know part worm. That's what about malpractice bill?
What about the statement that they make if you don't
get your dog tested, you could make your animal, you
could kill your animal if you give him anything. You
got to make sure he's negative first before you give
an herb or.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's the other big part of it.
I mean, yeah, I'm testing it's negative all the time.
So I'm going to keep treating him for something he
doesn't have and then wonder why the immune system falls apart. Yeah,
you know, and you know, and then I have to
you know, the dog's been doing good on the diet
of been feeding, but you know, I need to change
it immediately to a synthetic pile of garbage that you
(42:33):
can't even describe how it works or why it works,
or if it's even food because most of it is
not food. You cannot buy it any place to make
your own.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
Right.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
It's okay, Bill, come down, cause I'm back down like
a test to the ceiling right now. But it's it's
the truth. I mean, you would think that somewheres along
the line they would come to the real that there's
someplace is a path where you know, emergency medicine, you know,
(43:05):
some of the drugs, some of the pharmaceuticals, you know,
that sort of thing will come into play with what
the natural system is. But they put such a big
divide between it. You have to be one way or
the other, and unfortunately, our pets can't tell us what's
going on with them. So we're at the end of
the show again like always that now goes by too fast.
How can people reach you and so that we can
(43:27):
keep helping these poor animals because obviously they need it.
Speaker 4 (43:30):
Well, they can go to my website which is doctordim
dot com spelled out d O C T O R
D y M dot com and that has all my
contact information, information on my practice and how to get
a hold of me. I do check my emails every day,
so I usually return those with them within hours.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
That's you know, it's it's you know, it's a it's
a challenge for you and I. You know, fortunately our
camp is growing bigger and bigger and bigger. But you know,
as soon as the clients hit that wall, that allopathic wall,
everything comes into question. And you know they don't I mean,
I think that abuse part of it is a big
(44:09):
part of it too. They just do not want to
be beat up, and you know, sometimes they're going to
avoid going because they don't want that harassment, and that's
unfortunate as well. With that being said, I want to
thank everybody for watching tonight and listening, and I'll be
back again in another week. Have no idea what my
topic will be next week, but I'm sure it's going
(44:30):
to be another exciting one. But share this with all
all your friends. You know it's available twenty four to
seven worldwide, YouTube, Spotify, and iHeartRadio all over the place.
So let's get the message out. Keep sharing, please, and
doctor dim thanks for being on again. Always a pleasure,
and let's just kick button take names, good night, everybod.
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