December 11, 2025 • 48 mins
In the 60 years in the animal health I have witnessed a change from animal care and healing to corporate expensive medical care. The over use of testing and toxic preventative and drugs, our pets are more unhealthy. Dr Dym and I will reveal the truth.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Any health related information on the following show provides general
information only. Content presented on any show by any host
or guests should not be substituted for a doctor's advice.
Always consult your physician before beginning any new diet, exercise,
or treatment program. And now it's time for Pet Health Cafe,
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where your Pet has a Voice.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
And here's your host, Bill the Pet Health Guru, and
welcome to Pet Health Cafe to show where your pet
has a voice. This is Bill the Pet Health Gurum,
and I want to welcome everybody that's tuning in tonight.
We hope to have a great show for you. As always,
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a lot of information. You know, we have just a
tremendous amount of information that pet owners and actually the
pet parents need as well. Wants you to go on
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is all open. If you got questions you want to
talk to, talk to us through that medium is available
to you. As we know over the last my tenure
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in pet industry and animal industry has been almost sixty years,
and I have seen so many tremendous changes in it.
It's mind boggling actually, and it's not necessarily all in
the good. And to help me sort through this, I
want to bring on our special guests after Michael dimm
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And can help us out with some of these answers
and his own insight on this stuff. How you doing, Doc, I'm.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Doing pretty well, Bill, You be okay?
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Well, we've been busy. I mean it's it's this is
a crazy time of year anyway, and you know, the
on the retail part of it, no matter how we
look at it, and you know, there's just so much
stuff going on, you know it, it's kind of crazy.
Of course. I want to welcome you back from your
world tour. How how was Australia?
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Australia was a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
You know.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
I presented at a lecture on cochections, as we'll say,
at you know, a meeting in Melbourne which was attended
by some other colleagues of mine, both veterinary and non
veterinary experts in their fields. And we will presented different
topics at UH at a meeting called CA nine Masters,
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and it was done very very well, and I Lloyd
the people I met, and uh got a chance to
see a little Australia and after a long long plane
ride and a plane ride by it was quite an adventure.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
I had never been to that part of the.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
World, so I haven't been either. That's one of the
other years I still would like to go to. But uh,
you know, that's for another time. I guess, you know,
whenever I retire from what I'm doing, I mean I've
you know, I've only been in the business a couple
of years, you know, and I'm still I'm still getting
my feet wet.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
You're still a novice.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
That's right, That's right. That's why I can say the
things I do. I can't I got free range yet anyway.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
Seeing some really I mean, I know this a topic
you asked me about, you know, leading up to the show, right,
you know, I'll let you kind of.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Lead the way and we can get into a nice discussion.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Yeah. Well, I mean basically, when I started in the business,
seeing a veterinarian, seeing a profession and with animals, was
I mean, I think probably at that point in time,
the bulk of the business was still in agriculture, a
large animal professions, some small animal stuff, you know, a
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lot of it done in home, things of that nature.
And basically pet owners weren't doing all this, you know,
regular testing and regular visits and all that stuff. It
was if there was a problem, you know, either you know,
possibly when you got a brand new pat you'd go
in just for general physical, which then it was a physical,
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it wasn't a sales opportunity. You might see that there
was a major accident, you know, it all got hit
by a car, run over by a tractor, you know,
tangled with some wildlife whatever. Of course, on the farm
it would be pulling calves and helping you know, with
horses and things like that. That that just got into
the wrong stuff and then possibly end of life. You know.
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Actually even euthanasia wasn't It was almost never talked about.
Basically your animal normally would just go to sleep at
home and you know, end up being buried in the
backyard or a family plot someplace, or uh that sort
of thing. So it wasn't all this structure and everything else.
Now I know that probably when you began in your
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beginning of it, and you can eleborate on this. You see,
you had to get built in a certain amount of
structure into what the medical field was. But it wasn't
cookbook like it is today, was it.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
No, not at all.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
I mean definitely evolved into more complex ways of approaching
health and disease. And you know it, it wasn't the
like the automaton way of medicine even today.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
I mean that's evolved today.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
And as you said, you know, you did a physical exam,
you got a history, and those were the basis of
your assessment of each patient. There wasn't all this extravagant
lab testing. I mean, you know, maybe an X ray perhaps,
I mean not everybody even had X rays back then,
and maybe an X rays, but not all the fancy
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testing equipment, sonograms, and the testing has gotten not only
just more volume, but more complex, you know, testing for
so many various quote unquote infectious diseases, so many different parasites.
And it's just to me, gotten way out of control.
Because if you look at just the longevity of animals, Bill,
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as long as you and I have been in this field,
I mean, animals are not living longer and healthier, you know,
they're dying younger, they're sicker younger ages. And I've seen
that evolution of illness and disease of health over my
thirty thirty four year career.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
And you're still a youngster compared to me. There is.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Anyway.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
So it's just you know, and and it's got you know,
it's it's it's not and you know, we'll get into
more discussion.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
I'm sure during the show.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Is you know the complexities of evaluating animals and how
we treat them and even holistically speaking, which I wanted
to That was another interest in mind to bring up
the show is how people that are interested in natural healthcare,
where do they go to for their advice on how
to take care of animals and.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
When they're well or when they're when they're sick.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
And that's a big topic and it's one that, like
you said in the and the emotional materials, there's pros
and cons to what a lot of people are doing
in every days.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Yeah, it's really really tough. I mean I can remember
because back in the seventies when I started in the industry,
the pend industry, and you know, most pet chaps sold
puppies and kittens and just about every other animal under
the sun. I don't believe that in the eight ten
years I was involved in that part of the industry
that we ever had a single blood test done on
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any puppy. I think the probably if there was any
testing at all, it would have been a fecal a urinary,
and even a urinary would have been a rare case.
It was a simple fecal test usually involved a microscope, right, No,
no technical no technical electronics. Nothing.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
The blood the early blood test bill where they would
you know, people usually had a centrifuge. They would spin
the blood around and get what's called a pack cell
volume to see if the animal was ane, mick or not.
And that was one simple test. And then you know,
they came up with, you know, a little stick called
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an azo stick, which basically told us whether an animal's
kidneys might be compromised or what the sugar was. And
it was a drop of blood on an end of
a on the end of the end of a stick,
and you were able to actually a couple of drops
and you were able to interpret whether the animal might
be dehydrated or how the kidneys were working, what the
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glucos was. We called that a naso stick on a PCV.
That was our minimum database and we practiced with that.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Yeah. Yeah, and you had animals dogs living twenty years
plus on a regular basis, cats over thirty sometimes no
regular routine. I mean, I know that when we got
puppies in, if they were shipped in, they needed a
health certificate. I mean I worked with many veterinarians, even
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later on in the early eighties when I was starting
doing rep work, and even in the early two thousands,
where a vet would commit an animal is going to
be shipped and they would basically do just a hands
on physical and maybe check and see if there were
you know, because at that point in time, they were
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requiring vacs, some backs, you know, some injectable, some worming
compounds and things of that nature. But it was it
was a simple, simple issue. And now, I mean it's like,
you know, every stage, every time an animal is transferred,
they have to have another complete set of all these preventatives,
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all these other things. And you know, unfortunately, you know,
you buy a puppy, buy a kitten, and it has
to be shipped, but it's just in transit is stressful.
Now you add in all these drugs, all these preventions
and all that that are added to it. At the
end of the end of the of the airport, you know,
the receiving end, you've got a sick puppy or sick kitten.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Yeah, I mean absolutely, you know.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
And of course that's that's created this whole evolution on
the on the cost side, you know, it's like, you know,
why why are your puppies so expensive? Why are your
kitten so expensive? If you're a decent breed or something
that's really in favor, And it's because they're looking at
their liability. They might be responsible when that animal lands
halfway across the country for thousands and thousands of dollars
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of that bills, right, Yeah, it's gotten so out of control.
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
And then to them these illnesses that you're seeing, you know,
and you know come from all those boxens that are
put into these patients. I mean, you know, when we
give them the injection, we're hoping to prevent infectious disease,
and many times the injections are actually causing what the
symptoms gone we're supposed to be prevented, you know, So,
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especially with the respiratory issues.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Yeah, yeah, a lot of that of push you I
see a lot of joint problems because of rabies, that
sort of thing as well, that seems to effect a
lot of the joints, doesn't it.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Rabies.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Yeah, the the injectable stuff.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
The injectable stuff, it does affect the joints absolutely, and
the central murder system and every every organ system in
the body, to be honest, you know.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
And of course this carries over maternally, doesn't it in
the blend of you know, mom and grandmom and great grandmom.
It just stays in the body and it builds, It
accumulates over as many generations as you do.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
It absolutely, and then those injectables cause genetic changes. They
cause auto antibodies against the DNA, and then you get
new genetic diseases. So the habit that's wrecked on the
body is just is amazing, you know.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
So, but you know, the the evolution.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Of also bill over the years, just to watch the
expansion of specialists after specialists, and we've talked about this
on previous shows, right and test after test and all
the expenses that are involved with these things, and the
treatments really are no different than they were. I mean,
if anything, while they are different, there's more toxic you know,
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term you know, back in the day, right, remember we
would just treat you know, allergies either pregmozone or or
with anahistamines. And now they have a whole battery of
newer drugs and immunosuppressive medications, injections and powerful pills that
are you know, doubly as worse as pregno zone.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Yeah. I mean I remember when you know, when antibiotics
were even recommended, we were using things like aresamyasin and tetracycling.
You know that is nothing costs drug and I don't
you know, as far as I can tell, the while
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there's more virulent strains of bacteria and extra thing basically
most of the most of these things that you would
use antibiotics, and who will still respond to tetracycling just fine.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
That's right.
Speaker 5 (13:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
And in fact, that's what you bring up about the
animiotics because I was taught in school, you know, by
reputable microbiology teachers. You always want to choose the best antibiotic,
the most narrow antibiotic you can for the bacteria you're
looking at, and not use big shotgun treatments, right, And
so it was it was, you know, there was thought involved. Okay,
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this is the skin. This is the urinary track. What
are the most likely organisms that are going to cause
disease there? What would you then choose? And nowadays it's
just well, let's just throw the kitchen sink at these things.
And you know, I see all this all the time
on referral reports. We're an animal with a quote unquoted
infection ends up having two to three antibiotics thrown at
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it rather than just a simple one or an old one.
And you know, it's a misuse of medication that's well accepted.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, and it's funny too
because I can walk into any feed store in a
rural area and you're still going to find, you know,
packs of tetracycline on the shelf that you can buy
over the counter, and they're using poultry and you know,
other other farm animals. But if you walked into a
and it's more modern i'll say, veterinary clinic today, will
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there even be tetracycling in it?
Speaker 4 (15:08):
Probably not, you know, I mean you walk into the
modern corporate omes that no practice, which is what you've
talked about in previous shows as well as myself, right,
you know, the medication arsenal on the shelf is just tremendous.
But the old style of medications, they just you know,
they cheaper ones. There's no use for that because you
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need to make more money with the more modern expensive.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Yeah, exactly. Now, I was going to ask you about
the specialties, which you already brought up, but you know,
when you're looking at the modern specialties today, they're not
looking at a whole body perspective. They're you know, your
cardiology is going to look at your heart. You know,
you know a thyroid specialist is going to look at
a thyroid. But the parts are all connected. So how
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can you look at any any single organ or single system,
part of the system without looking at the whole and
be able to treat it.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
I agree, I mean the body is an integrated unit.
You can't separate the parts. But you know, conventional medicine
that's and it's gotten even more out of control. I
I just recently had some lab work done myself. I
just got the results back, and I just can't believe
build the complexities in just basic blood work for human being.
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I mean when I say complexities, I couldn't even interpret
or understand records of what was written on them on
the lab reports. It's just you know, all these different
numbers and what they mean and theoretically and this and that,
and then you know, in the laboratory, and all I
wanted was a basic CBC chemistry just to check my
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allopathic from that perspective, a.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Major organ function. I end up with this laundry list
of things and labels and fear and you know, if.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
You don't do this, you know you can do that,
and various verse is of cholesterol and fat and I
just I got lost reading my own report.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
I can appreciate that because I mean, you know with
what I what we do over at my paleo pet.
You know, it's like, you know, okay, so you help
my pat. Can you help me? So okay, bring in
your lab work and everything else, and like what the
hell is this? What are they talking about?
Speaker 3 (17:22):
You know?
Speaker 2 (17:23):
And of course nothing on these reports. While they're selling fears,
there's normally they're hedging it with it might be, it
could be there's a possibility of nothing definitive, and you
know the same thing then with the treatment plan, we
should try this, we should try that. It's like I
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know it's called practicing medicine, but I don't want somebody
practicing on me. I'm sorry, you know, you know, you know,
if you have a definitive type of issue, how do
we then best approach it, both on the natural side
and on the allopathic side. I mean that should be
enough every place you go, shouldn't it?
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Yeah? I mean it's it's you know, but again that
evolution of the medical industry. We're not looking at the
other possibilities, the natural possibilities where we have to, well,
we can actually make some difference. And I'm actually writing
an article on the difference between treatments and health. It's
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two totally different subjects in the allopathic world, and quite honestly,
it's killing our pets. It's killing us. You know, the
proof is out there is now finally coming out from
underneath the rocks or finding all these old medical journals
from one hundred years ago. And with that being said,
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Speaker 2 (21:04):
And we're back here on the Petthouth Cafe to show
where your pet has a voice. This has Bill, a
petthouse guru, along with my special guest Michael Dim, homeopathic veterinarian,
and we're talking about all the changes in the industry.
You know, before we went to the break, I did
mention all these old studies, all these old journals that
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are coming up and suddenly being surfacing and giving the
pet owners, the health people a whole different perspective. We've
known about these things for several generations now, haven't we.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Absolutely, Yeah, it was way back yep.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
I mean, you know what did we do before you know,
the powers that came about in the eighteen hundreds that
bought the medical schools and all of that. How did
we how did humans? How did animals ever survive without
this modern medicine ellopathic approach.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
I mean I just literally, when we're on break, I
got an email from someone just talking about wants me
to take a case on and wants me to review
all this information to assess the skin and earfection on an.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Oral mass fineline summary timeline with.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
Vet records, your analysis reports, blood work pathologies, radiology reports,
all of those tests and all those reports. I mean,
how often do you and I usually use those in
our in restoring health? I want to present that out
on the table.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Probably no.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
I mean, well, first off, what you what you don't
see in those reports because they never asked the questions,
is a what kind of nutritional program have they been on?
B what's the environment in the in the house, the yard,
the neighborhood, like you know, where the where would toxins
be coming from? And see when you're looking at that
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report and I'm looking at that report, usually we're looking
at years, literally years of all these workups, and you
still have the same basic problem in many cases, it's
even worse than it was when it started. You know,
they took the dog in the cat in when it
had mild symptoms, just starting, and they continuously watch it progress,
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they continuously spend all this money, and it's like, you know,
like Einstein said, what's insanity.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
It is insanity.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
Well, and then you know, of course, all these treatments,
all these drugs, all these interventions just weaken the body
further because it really you know, keep it simple is
what I try and do. And I you know, as
we get through the show here, I do want to
get into some of the issues I've seen come up with,
as I said, the holistic audience and where they're turning
to for their health advice nowadays, because the answer isn't
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in the more complex. It always comes back to the
few things you just said. Nutrition, toxicity, of course, looking
at the role that the body, you know, looking at
foods and botanicals and homeopathic remedies that can restore health.
You know that that can stimulate the body's ability to
heal itself, which it can do most of the time
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unless those drugs and interventions have weakened the body beyond oblivion,
which unfortunately happens on it.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Yes, they do now one of the other things. And
I know that that the conference that you went to
a necessarily they may have addressed some of this. But
in the animal health industry, in that whole whole spectrum
we've been putting on it. I know, in a human
on the human side, now there's like over ninety different
specialties and they're all allopathic. What is the problem with
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adding in and the challenges that you have as a
more holistic practitioner. I mean, some of these some of
the things that are on that holistic side aren't even
recognize as specialties and or being trained. Nutrition is a
good one, you know, it's only been like the last
ten years that nutrition. And they come up with these
Board certified nutritional veterinarians, which I find interesting because veterinary
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medicine medicine you can only use drugs detreat, not food.
And yet they're trying to incorporate it to give themselves
like some reliability to sell these prepackaged foods.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
I think, so, yeah, absolutely, And then you get you know,
you get the board certified nutritionists and they're coming in
with their bias to kind of get people away from
fresh meat bias and you know, protocols like you have
at the store.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
It's just it's to keep things within that model of medicine.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Yeah, exactly, So, you know, I mean the fact of the
matter is, of course homeooposi has been around how many
years now years? Yeah, herbals then, you know, there were
there were no herbal doctors. They were they were natural healers.
And again that's why I said, I'm writing an article
on healing rather than medicating treatments, you know, that sort
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of thing.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
You know back in the day too, Bill.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
I mean, you know, there's there's increasing expansion of holistic practitioners,
but unfortunately they're coming more together and and.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
That kind of thing.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
But one of the things I didn't want to bring up,
which we can get into it, but is where does
someone go for the variety of information that's out there
now for natural healing. You know, back when I first
studied homeopathy with doctor Pitcairn, we didn't really you know,
the fax machine was how we was the most technology
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we had. And you know, if I had trouble on
a case, I'd fax him and and get his input,
and you know, I dealt with people. We did phone consultations.
There was no computers. People when they needed foods or
herbs or supplements, they went to the local store and
they bought what they could. And nowadays that has, of course,
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with the explosion of the media, of social media, of
obviously the computer age, the volume of options that are
there for people wanting to again leave the conventional medical
model is so vast. And I wanted us to touch
on that a little bit this evening, regarding the pros
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and cons of that.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
I wanted you to hear.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Yeah, well, I mean I want to start that out
with you know, you and I share you know, space
on several forums. You know, we get all kinds of comments,
all kinds of problems, everything else. And I actually believe that,
you know, they contact you, they contact me on various forums,
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and you know, sometimes we run the same one. And
so obviously if they're looking at us, they're looking for
a more holistic and more natural approach to it. And
somebody will come up with a symptom my dog burked
last night, and you're gonna get you know, looking for
you know, is it a problem or isn't it And
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you're gonna get a whole stream of rush, right to
the emergency room. You know, that's gotta be AI or
at least computer generated by the allopathic medicine community.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
Isn't it absolutely is?
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Yeah, you know, please panic, will you?
Speaker 3 (28:31):
I got it. I got it.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
At the same time, though, Bill, one of the things
I've seen, which is you know, which I know you are,
because obviously you know my palliopet and you know has
a has a presence. But the tremendous explosion though of
holistic options. You know, the social media queen and kings.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Of veterinarian medicine that are out.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
There selling their products across the land, you know, marketing
their products have you know how wonderful you know, marketing models,
you know, a huge audience. The tremendous expansion of social
media chat rooms for people to just post their animals problem,
like you said, and then get advice from you know,
(29:16):
non veterinarians or non experts. That is a concern of
mine because if some of those animals do need holistic
veterinary guidance, no matter what that is, doesn't have to
be doctor demic to be anybody. What concerns me is
just some of the advice that's being I mean, people
are you know, with some really sick animals with some
(29:37):
advanced pathologies, and they're getting kind of a cookbook approach.
But here's what you do. I'm just gonna go on
Facebook and just you know, go into this room and get.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
All my needs met.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
And I just find that a little bit concerning. I
don't know what you're feeling.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Well, it is because again when I look at all
these practitioners with the letters after their name and all
of that, first off, a lot of what they're promoting,
especially when it comes to supplementation in foods. Of course
they've gone away from the AVMA and their recommendations, but
what they're giving as an alternative is just an alternative.
(30:16):
It's not necessarily better.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
I mean.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
The biggest one that we see is this whole movement
towards freeze dride foods. Well freeze ride foods are ultra
process and they're dead. I mean, I've seen a couple
of posts now where they're actually doing the microscopic you know,
photos of real food freeze dride, and they have the
(30:38):
audacity and this is a personal issue of mind. They
call it raw freeze dried. I know what raw steak
looks like. I know what raw ground beef looks like.
It don't look like anything that doctor so and so
is selling online with his name on it. That's made
in the same plant as the other fourteen holistic veterinarians
(30:59):
doing this. It's all coming out of the same plant
by the same processors, with the same ingredients. And you know,
it's it's it's actually it's a sham. It's an ultimate sham.
And you know, people don't realize freeze dried foods are
freezer burned foods. We used to throw that out when
you found it in a freezer. Now now they sell
(31:22):
it at a premium at a super premium price. I
mean it's uh and it's still dry. So you still
have the dehydration problem, don't you.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Yes, you do. Lack of water yea.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
And of course our water is so terrible on top
of it. But yeah, you know, and that most of
those people online, they're not referring to good quality water.
They never talk about the hydration part of it, except
that I can't well drink water. They're not designed to
drink out of a bowl. You know, that's a physiological issue.
(31:56):
But that's that's the advice that happens in every animal
clinic office every single day. Right, make your animally drink
more water.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
That's true, the basic nutrient of the body, the foundation
of the body exactly.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
And you know what I mean. There are systems out there.
They're not cheap, but there are systems out there that
you know, as you're sharing with your pet. You know,
some of these machines have life span of over twenty
five years. Yeah, they're four or five six thousand dollars machines. Okay, Oh,
I can't afford that, you know, There's no way I
can put it in my budget. Oh, by the way,
I just want a new car. My payments were only
(32:34):
seven hundred dollars a month for the next thirty years,
you know, and the car is going to be sitting
in the driveway or are parking a lot ninety percent
of the time.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Right.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
It's framewashing, That's what it really is. And I sometimes
just it boggles my mind because the way people think
we're gonna be right back after this quick break.
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Speaker 2 (34:35):
And welcome back here on a Pet Health Cafe to
show where your pet has voice. This is build a
Pet Health Guru along with my special guests doctor Michael
dimm and we're talking about where are you getting your
information on holistic care. I have a lot of problems
with so much of that stuff. I mean, every time
I see, you know, anything to do with nutrition, especially
(34:55):
it's like cook versus raw. The eighty ten ten uh.
You know, these are animals that came from the wild,
that basically self medicated, self sustain themselves, finding the foods
that were appropriate for them, designed to process it with
their own bodies, and we're trying to micromanage it down
(35:16):
to the I mean, I had a customer today and
now you had a couple customers that you'll enjoy it.
One today has a poodle that appears healthy, probably should.
It's a mini, not a toy, it's a mini, and
she's feeding approximately a third of a pound of food
a day. And she asked me, she says, is that enough?
(35:37):
She says, he always looks hungry, and she literally ran
my hand down the backbone, and I mean it was
protruding so badly. I said, don't listen to what's out
of the internet, you know, because you're trying to find
a specific therapy if you will, even in food is
(35:58):
it got to be a specific protocol and if you
if you move out of that way, it's horrible. And
then I had another couple on Monday. They came in.
They had we've been doing their dogs with herbs and botanicals.
Dogs are doing much better. They're doing horrible. Both of
them have got all kinds of problems and I'm starting
to explain all the same things. Hey, you know what,
you get your dog to share your stuff, that's not
(36:18):
a problem. If it'll allow you. You might have to
buy your own jock because you won't share. But going
through and she you know, we try to eat healthy,
and we try to do this, and we try to
do that. And as a caveat my husband and I
we've been doing a cellery juice every day for years.
It's like, you think that's the natural way, doing one
(36:40):
drink every single day. The body's dynamic. After the third
day of eat of drinking cellry juice, you need something else.
I'm sorry, but you know, and that's why we recommend
rotation and stuff like that. But that is almost never
And you see to them on the forums, especially when
they talk about food, it's always a brand again, one
(37:01):
specific food and they're all looking for the one food
right right.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
And then you know a few of my holistic colleagues
that have a presence on social media, I mean they're
talking about how how you know, complex the Chinese herbal
formulas are, the homeopathic formulas are, and how that confuses
the body and so in some cases not you know again,
yahtual doesn't mean it's going to be you know, healthier
(37:31):
for your animal necessarily. So I've seen a disturbing growth
and tendency. They just want to overdo as many various supplements.
Ione will post something on these these forms and then
and then the moderated chimes in with a whole laundry
list of recommendations and listen to that, and you know,
various probiotics and you know mega different herbs and formulations.
(37:56):
And that's what I mean by getting just so far
a moved the basic penons of good health. You got
to break it down and keep it simple less less.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Again on the back side, it's the body's dynamic. It's
changing every moment of every single day. Our pet is
no different. The nutrients it needs right now, the nutrients
I need right now. There's probably something to calm me down,
you know, because I'm using I'm using up different minerals,
I'm using up different vitamins. Unfortunately, it doesn't work for
(38:30):
weight for weight gain, I'm not bringing enough fat when
when I'm ranting on the radio and on the TV.
But but that's the whole thing. If you start following
that routine, you're throwing the body so far off base,
you know, in one direction, and then you didn't. Nothing's
working anymore. It doesn't work anymore. Well, everything works to
an extent when it comes to natural but if you
(38:52):
overloaded in any given direction, now you've got you've got
a whole different set of allergy symptoms, you know that
sort of thing. It's like I was on another show
with a network over the I do one every Monday.
Now I went another show for like a fifteen minute thing.
We're talking about Thanksgiving and what foods can the pets
(39:13):
have from the Thanksgiving table? Then I said, basically, none
of them. You know, you might want to give a
little bit of turkey, but sweet potatoes, green bean, no.
And we evolved into a discussion about the flu season,
and it was funny because we started looking at Okay,
So we started Halloween with the candy and the junk food.
(39:34):
We moved directly into Thanksgiving with all the different foods
and the different ultra process stuff that we eat at
that holiday, move right into Hanukkah and Christmas again a
lot of bad food, a lot of bad drinking, a
lot of all of that. Going to New Year's Okay,
now we're going to get as healthy. We go to
the supplements store and buy a bunch of toxic supplements.
(39:54):
Then you've got Valentine's Day. Okay, so it's still bad food.
And then all of a sudden, breaking into the flu
season is now gone the toxicity from that. We're going
into algae sis, so which is the body and doing
nothing more and cleaning out six months of bad food.
And it's it's it's so true. And I mean that
we have to watch very very carefully. We don't realize that.
(40:17):
And it's the same thing with our pets because they're
getting into the same foods. They're eating inappropriate things. And
when we look at the pets, okay, first off, from
a totally holistic standpoint, look at what they are doing
as far as the stress level is concerned. You've got
a bunch of drunken relatives over and they're fighting about
politics and everything else. Those dogs are freaking out. If
(40:39):
they're not freaking out in the room with you, they're
locked up in the closet someplace right not being socialized.
So the energy level in that whole environment just changes dramatically,
and you know, it's something we have to look at holistically,
you know. But of course, yeah, I mean we can
give the Doug Brozact no problem, you know, you know,
(41:01):
can you do you have a sedative? Because you know,
I know on New Year's Eve the fireworks are going
to be going off and they're all going to be
freaking out.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
That's the latest, uh, the lowest tanquilizer.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
Oh but when you look at when we would like
what you and I do is we start working backwards
on it. We found the source. We find so many
sources and yet online like you say, you're getting oh
I use this, I use that, you know that sort
of thing. I know, we got a couple of questions
that came in here. If we can get them up
on the board, take a look at them, and if
(41:36):
you can help address with that. I wonder what she
wants to recommend. Well, basically, a natural unnatural things. Yeah, yeah,
I use an you know, I use ionized water. You know,
I've got a unit at the store. We sell the
the product itself already pre done. You can't afford the
you know, five thousand dollars unit, there's a three thousand
(41:57):
dollars unit. If you don't want to buy that, you
can just buy bottle water. You're buying it anyway for yourself,
you know, and you're basically buying tap water that's been
usually filtered to take out all the minerals, which I
know the body doesn't need any minerals. I mean, it's just,
you know, that's something that some some quack holistic doctors about.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
Another thing though, I wanted to bring up. You know,
we have a few minutes, is.
Speaker 4 (42:26):
You know, when to see like you know, the concern
I have is is that people are going to approach
the social media world with there's the answer for their animals.
I got all these things, and then these animals have
cancer or severe disease and pathologies and they need the
expertise of someone like you or or any holistic trained
(42:47):
veterinarian helped short through the pathology a little bit. And
so what my concern is is that people are going
to get lost in a sea of holistic social media medicine.
And I don't think that's the I mean, it obviously
is not, you know he in some cases, so I
like to post less is more that somebody has tried.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
Yeah, And that's the other thing too, is you know,
they've always been running into this problem too, that if
if a veterinarian has had any alternative, you know, cees
that sort of thing. They call themselves holistic and you
walk in the office and there is the food, there
is a drugs, there's a fleet prevention all that on
the wall, and you look around it and you don't
(43:29):
see anything that's holistic. So you know that's a misrepresentation,
you know.
Speaker 4 (43:34):
I mean I agree. So it's like, you know, we
go from one end of the pendulum to the other,
and I just I just want to, you know, bring
up to the audience that basically, when you do have
very animals with advanced pathologies and cancers and you are
healing with herbs and nutritional therapies or homeopathy, that we
(43:54):
try to keep it to a lessons more approach and
at least bring in someone like yourself or you know,
a holistic veterinarian, you know, a trained holistic veterinarian that's
not doing the things you just mentioned and at least
helping through the situation, because what will happen is is
these people these animals are not going to do well
(44:15):
and then they're going to blame the social media places
and the animals aren't going to get the care that
they need. So I'm not saying that we need to
get them back in the bed offices, right, I'm just
saying that we have to be mindful of just getting
all our advice from you know, social media sources.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
Yeah, and it's again, it's not a single therapy. You
have to do that rotation even in homeout with it.
You try something, you use something, you sometimes you have
to go down the road three four times before everything
is you know, starting to reset itself. And that's what
it's basically about, resetting the body. How can we read
How can our clients and our listeners reach you?
Speaker 4 (44:52):
Oh, they can go to my website which is doctordim
dot com. That's doctor spelled out d O C T
O R D Y M, and that I my information
on my practice, my contact information, and I return emails
pretty quickly.
Speaker 3 (45:07):
Pretty within twenty four hours.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
Good good And of course they can reach me at
my Paleo Pet online consultations as well through the website,
stop by the store I'm usually in there. My staff
yelled at me that I spend too much time explaining
things to people, but you know what, I want them
to have the information. And with that being said, doctor Dimmit,
it's all your pleasure to have you on the show.
We gave a little bit different outlook on this stuff
(45:31):
and hopefully some people will listen to us. And with
that being said, good night everyone, thank you for watching.
Speaker 3 (45:37):
Good Night.
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Speaker 2 (00:33):
And here's your host, Bill the Pet Health Guru, and
welcome to Pet Health Cafe to show where your pet
has a voice. This is Bill the Pet Health Gurum,
and I want to welcome everybody that's tuning in tonight.
We hope to have a great show for you. As always,
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to you. As we know over the last my tenure
(01:36):
in pet industry and animal industry has been almost sixty years,
and I have seen so many tremendous changes in it.
It's mind boggling actually, and it's not necessarily all in
the good. And to help me sort through this, I
want to bring on our special guests after Michael dimm
(01:58):
And can help us out with some of these answers
and his own insight on this stuff. How you doing, Doc, I'm.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Doing pretty well, Bill, You be okay?
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Well, we've been busy. I mean it's it's this is
a crazy time of year anyway, and you know, the
on the retail part of it, no matter how we
look at it, and you know, there's just so much
stuff going on, you know it, it's kind of crazy.
Of course. I want to welcome you back from your
world tour. How how was Australia?
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Australia was a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
You know.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
I presented at a lecture on cochections, as we'll say,
at you know, a meeting in Melbourne which was attended
by some other colleagues of mine, both veterinary and non
veterinary experts in their fields. And we will presented different
topics at UH at a meeting called CA nine Masters,
(02:56):
and it was done very very well, and I Lloyd
the people I met, and uh got a chance to
see a little Australia and after a long long plane
ride and a plane ride by it was quite an adventure.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
I had never been to that part of the.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
World, so I haven't been either. That's one of the
other years I still would like to go to. But uh,
you know, that's for another time. I guess, you know,
whenever I retire from what I'm doing, I mean I've
you know, I've only been in the business a couple
of years, you know, and I'm still I'm still getting
my feet wet.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
You're still a novice.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
That's right, That's right. That's why I can say the
things I do. I can't I got free range yet anyway.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
Seeing some really I mean, I know this a topic
you asked me about, you know, leading up to the show, right,
you know, I'll let you kind of.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Lead the way and we can get into a nice discussion.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Yeah. Well, I mean basically, when I started in the business,
seeing a veterinarian, seeing a profession and with animals, was
I mean, I think probably at that point in time,
the bulk of the business was still in agriculture, a
large animal professions, some small animal stuff, you know, a
(04:15):
lot of it done in home, things of that nature.
And basically pet owners weren't doing all this, you know,
regular testing and regular visits and all that stuff. It
was if there was a problem, you know, either you know,
possibly when you got a brand new pat you'd go
in just for general physical, which then it was a physical,
(04:35):
it wasn't a sales opportunity. You might see that there
was a major accident, you know, it all got hit
by a car, run over by a tractor, you know,
tangled with some wildlife whatever. Of course, on the farm
it would be pulling calves and helping you know, with
horses and things like that. That that just got into
the wrong stuff and then possibly end of life. You know.
(05:01):
Actually even euthanasia wasn't It was almost never talked about.
Basically your animal normally would just go to sleep at
home and you know, end up being buried in the
backyard or a family plot someplace, or uh that sort
of thing. So it wasn't all this structure and everything else.
Now I know that probably when you began in your
(05:24):
beginning of it, and you can eleborate on this. You see,
you had to get built in a certain amount of
structure into what the medical field was. But it wasn't
cookbook like it is today, was it.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
No, not at all.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
I mean definitely evolved into more complex ways of approaching
health and disease. And you know it, it wasn't the
like the automaton way of medicine even today.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
I mean that's evolved today.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
And as you said, you know, you did a physical exam,
you got a history, and those were the basis of
your assessment of each patient. There wasn't all this extravagant
lab testing. I mean, you know, maybe an X ray perhaps,
I mean not everybody even had X rays back then,
and maybe an X rays, but not all the fancy
(06:15):
testing equipment, sonograms, and the testing has gotten not only
just more volume, but more complex, you know, testing for
so many various quote unquote infectious diseases, so many different parasites.
And it's just to me, gotten way out of control.
Because if you look at just the longevity of animals, Bill,
(06:36):
as long as you and I have been in this field,
I mean, animals are not living longer and healthier, you know,
they're dying younger, they're sicker younger ages. And I've seen
that evolution of illness and disease of health over my
thirty thirty four year career.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
And you're still a youngster compared to me. There is.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Anyway.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
So it's just you know, and and it's got you know,
it's it's it's not and you know, we'll get into
more discussion.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
I'm sure during the show.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Is you know the complexities of evaluating animals and how
we treat them and even holistically speaking, which I wanted
to That was another interest in mind to bring up
the show is how people that are interested in natural healthcare,
where do they go to for their advice on how
to take care of animals and.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
When they're well or when they're when they're sick.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
And that's a big topic and it's one that, like
you said in the and the emotional materials, there's pros
and cons to what a lot of people are doing
in every days.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Yeah, it's really really tough. I mean I can remember
because back in the seventies when I started in the industry,
the pend industry, and you know, most pet chaps sold
puppies and kittens and just about every other animal under
the sun. I don't believe that in the eight ten
years I was involved in that part of the industry
that we ever had a single blood test done on
(08:07):
any puppy. I think the probably if there was any
testing at all, it would have been a fecal a urinary,
and even a urinary would have been a rare case.
It was a simple fecal test usually involved a microscope, right, No,
no technical no technical electronics. Nothing.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
The blood the early blood test bill where they would
you know, people usually had a centrifuge. They would spin
the blood around and get what's called a pack cell
volume to see if the animal was ane, mick or not.
And that was one simple test. And then you know,
they came up with, you know, a little stick called
(08:49):
an azo stick, which basically told us whether an animal's
kidneys might be compromised or what the sugar was. And
it was a drop of blood on an end of
a on the end of the end of a stick,
and you were able to actually a couple of drops
and you were able to interpret whether the animal might
be dehydrated or how the kidneys were working, what the
(09:10):
glucos was. We called that a naso stick on a PCV.
That was our minimum database and we practiced with that.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Yeah. Yeah, and you had animals dogs living twenty years
plus on a regular basis, cats over thirty sometimes no
regular routine. I mean, I know that when we got
puppies in, if they were shipped in, they needed a
health certificate. I mean I worked with many veterinarians, even
(09:37):
later on in the early eighties when I was starting
doing rep work, and even in the early two thousands,
where a vet would commit an animal is going to
be shipped and they would basically do just a hands
on physical and maybe check and see if there were
you know, because at that point in time, they were
(09:58):
requiring vacs, some backs, you know, some injectable, some worming
compounds and things of that nature. But it was it
was a simple, simple issue. And now, I mean it's like,
you know, every stage, every time an animal is transferred,
they have to have another complete set of all these preventatives,
(10:20):
all these other things. And you know, unfortunately, you know,
you buy a puppy, buy a kitten, and it has
to be shipped, but it's just in transit is stressful.
Now you add in all these drugs, all these preventions
and all that that are added to it. At the
end of the end of the of the airport, you know,
the receiving end, you've got a sick puppy or sick kitten.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Yeah, I mean absolutely, you know.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
And of course that's that's created this whole evolution on
the on the cost side, you know, it's like, you know,
why why are your puppies so expensive? Why are your
kitten so expensive? If you're a decent breed or something
that's really in favor, And it's because they're looking at
their liability. They might be responsible when that animal lands
halfway across the country for thousands and thousands of dollars
(11:08):
of that bills, right, Yeah, it's gotten so out of control.
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
And then to them these illnesses that you're seeing, you know,
and you know come from all those boxens that are
put into these patients. I mean, you know, when we
give them the injection, we're hoping to prevent infectious disease,
and many times the injections are actually causing what the
symptoms gone we're supposed to be prevented, you know, So,
(11:36):
especially with the respiratory issues.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Yeah, yeah, a lot of that of push you I
see a lot of joint problems because of rabies, that
sort of thing as well, that seems to effect a
lot of the joints, doesn't it.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Rabies.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Yeah, the the injectable stuff.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
The injectable stuff, it does affect the joints absolutely, and
the central murder system and every every organ system in
the body, to be honest, you know.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
And of course this carries over maternally, doesn't it in
the blend of you know, mom and grandmom and great grandmom.
It just stays in the body and it builds, It
accumulates over as many generations as you do.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
It absolutely, and then those injectables cause genetic changes. They
cause auto antibodies against the DNA, and then you get
new genetic diseases. So the habit that's wrecked on the
body is just is amazing, you know.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
So, but you know, the the evolution.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Of also bill over the years, just to watch the
expansion of specialists after specialists, and we've talked about this
on previous shows, right and test after test and all
the expenses that are involved with these things, and the
treatments really are no different than they were. I mean,
if anything, while they are different, there's more toxic you know,
(12:58):
term you know, back in the day, right, remember we
would just treat you know, allergies either pregmozone or or
with anahistamines. And now they have a whole battery of
newer drugs and immunosuppressive medications, injections and powerful pills that
are you know, doubly as worse as pregno zone.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Yeah. I mean I remember when you know, when antibiotics
were even recommended, we were using things like aresamyasin and tetracycling.
You know that is nothing costs drug and I don't
you know, as far as I can tell, the while
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there's more virulent strains of bacteria and extra thing basically
most of the most of these things that you would
use antibiotics, and who will still respond to tetracycling just fine.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
That's right.
Speaker 5 (13:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
And in fact, that's what you bring up about the
animiotics because I was taught in school, you know, by
reputable microbiology teachers. You always want to choose the best antibiotic,
the most narrow antibiotic you can for the bacteria you're
looking at, and not use big shotgun treatments, right, And
so it was it was, you know, there was thought involved. Okay,
(14:13):
this is the skin. This is the urinary track. What
are the most likely organisms that are going to cause
disease there? What would you then choose? And nowadays it's
just well, let's just throw the kitchen sink at these things.
And you know, I see all this all the time
on referral reports. We're an animal with a quote unquoted
infection ends up having two to three antibiotics thrown at
(14:33):
it rather than just a simple one or an old one.
And you know, it's a misuse of medication that's well accepted.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, and it's funny too
because I can walk into any feed store in a
rural area and you're still going to find, you know,
packs of tetracycline on the shelf that you can buy
over the counter, and they're using poultry and you know,
other other farm animals. But if you walked into a
and it's more modern i'll say, veterinary clinic today, will
(15:05):
there even be tetracycling in it?
Speaker 4 (15:08):
Probably not, you know, I mean you walk into the
modern corporate omes that no practice, which is what you've
talked about in previous shows as well as myself, right,
you know, the medication arsenal on the shelf is just tremendous.
But the old style of medications, they just you know,
they cheaper ones. There's no use for that because you
(15:30):
need to make more money with the more modern expensive.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Yeah, exactly. Now, I was going to ask you about
the specialties, which you already brought up, but you know,
when you're looking at the modern specialties today, they're not
looking at a whole body perspective. They're you know, your
cardiology is going to look at your heart. You know,
you know a thyroid specialist is going to look at
a thyroid. But the parts are all connected. So how
(15:54):
can you look at any any single organ or single system,
part of the system without looking at the whole and
be able to treat it.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
I agree, I mean the body is an integrated unit.
You can't separate the parts. But you know, conventional medicine
that's and it's gotten even more out of control. I
I just recently had some lab work done myself. I
just got the results back, and I just can't believe
build the complexities in just basic blood work for human being.
(16:25):
I mean when I say complexities, I couldn't even interpret
or understand records of what was written on them on
the lab reports. It's just you know, all these different
numbers and what they mean and theoretically and this and that,
and then you know, in the laboratory, and all I
wanted was a basic CBC chemistry just to check my
(16:46):
allopathic from that perspective, a.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Major organ function. I end up with this laundry list
of things and labels and fear and you know, if.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
You don't do this, you know you can do that,
and various verse is of cholesterol and fat and I
just I got lost reading my own report.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
I can appreciate that because I mean, you know with
what I what we do over at my paleo pet.
You know, it's like, you know, okay, so you help
my pat. Can you help me? So okay, bring in
your lab work and everything else, and like what the
hell is this? What are they talking about?
Speaker 3 (17:22):
You know?
Speaker 2 (17:23):
And of course nothing on these reports. While they're selling fears,
there's normally they're hedging it with it might be, it
could be there's a possibility of nothing definitive, and you
know the same thing then with the treatment plan, we
should try this, we should try that. It's like I
(17:43):
know it's called practicing medicine, but I don't want somebody
practicing on me. I'm sorry, you know, you know, you know,
if you have a definitive type of issue, how do
we then best approach it, both on the natural side
and on the allopathic side. I mean that should be
enough every place you go, shouldn't it?
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Yeah? I mean it's it's you know, but again that
evolution of the medical industry. We're not looking at the
other possibilities, the natural possibilities where we have to, well,
we can actually make some difference. And I'm actually writing
an article on the difference between treatments and health. It's
(18:25):
two totally different subjects in the allopathic world, and quite honestly,
it's killing our pets. It's killing us. You know, the
proof is out there is now finally coming out from
underneath the rocks or finding all these old medical journals
from one hundred years ago. And with that being said,
we're going to be right back after this quick message.
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Speaker 2 (21:04):
And we're back here on the Petthouth Cafe to show
where your pet has a voice. This has Bill, a
petthouse guru, along with my special guest Michael Dim, homeopathic veterinarian,
and we're talking about all the changes in the industry.
You know, before we went to the break, I did
mention all these old studies, all these old journals that
(21:24):
are coming up and suddenly being surfacing and giving the
pet owners, the health people a whole different perspective. We've
known about these things for several generations now, haven't we.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Absolutely, Yeah, it was way back yep.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
I mean, you know what did we do before you know,
the powers that came about in the eighteen hundreds that
bought the medical schools and all of that. How did
we how did humans? How did animals ever survive without
this modern medicine ellopathic approach.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
I mean I just literally, when we're on break, I
got an email from someone just talking about wants me
to take a case on and wants me to review
all this information to assess the skin and earfection on an.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Oral mass fineline summary timeline with.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
Vet records, your analysis reports, blood work pathologies, radiology reports,
all of those tests and all those reports. I mean,
how often do you and I usually use those in
our in restoring health? I want to present that out
on the table.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Probably no.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
I mean, well, first off, what you what you don't
see in those reports because they never asked the questions,
is a what kind of nutritional program have they been on?
B what's the environment in the in the house, the yard,
the neighborhood, like you know, where the where would toxins
be coming from? And see when you're looking at that
(22:58):
report and I'm looking at that report, usually we're looking
at years, literally years of all these workups, and you
still have the same basic problem in many cases, it's
even worse than it was when it started. You know,
they took the dog in the cat in when it
had mild symptoms, just starting, and they continuously watch it progress,
(23:21):
they continuously spend all this money, and it's like, you know,
like Einstein said, what's insanity.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
It is insanity.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
Well, and then you know, of course, all these treatments,
all these drugs, all these interventions just weaken the body
further because it really you know, keep it simple is
what I try and do. And I you know, as
we get through the show here, I do want to
get into some of the issues I've seen come up with,
as I said, the holistic audience and where they're turning
to for their health advice nowadays, because the answer isn't
(23:57):
in the more complex. It always comes back to the
few things you just said. Nutrition, toxicity, of course, looking
at the role that the body, you know, looking at
foods and botanicals and homeopathic remedies that can restore health.
You know that that can stimulate the body's ability to
heal itself, which it can do most of the time
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unless those drugs and interventions have weakened the body beyond oblivion,
which unfortunately happens on it.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Yes, they do now one of the other things. And
I know that that the conference that you went to
a necessarily they may have addressed some of this. But
in the animal health industry, in that whole whole spectrum
we've been putting on it. I know, in a human
on the human side, now there's like over ninety different
specialties and they're all allopathic. What is the problem with
(24:50):
adding in and the challenges that you have as a
more holistic practitioner. I mean, some of these some of
the things that are on that holistic side aren't even
recognize as specialties and or being trained. Nutrition is a
good one, you know, it's only been like the last
ten years that nutrition. And they come up with these
Board certified nutritional veterinarians, which I find interesting because veterinary
(25:16):
medicine medicine you can only use drugs detreat, not food.
And yet they're trying to incorporate it to give themselves
like some reliability to sell these prepackaged foods.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
I think, so, yeah, absolutely, And then you get you know,
you get the board certified nutritionists and they're coming in
with their bias to kind of get people away from
fresh meat bias and you know, protocols like you have
at the store.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
It's just it's to keep things within that model of medicine.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Yeah, exactly, So, you know, I mean the fact of the
matter is, of course homeooposi has been around how many
years now years? Yeah, herbals then, you know, there were
there were no herbal doctors. They were they were natural healers.
And again that's why I said, I'm writing an article
on healing rather than medicating treatments, you know, that sort
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of thing.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
You know back in the day too, Bill.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
I mean, you know, there's there's increasing expansion of holistic practitioners,
but unfortunately they're coming more together and and.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
That kind of thing.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
But one of the things I didn't want to bring up,
which we can get into it, but is where does
someone go for the variety of information that's out there
now for natural healing. You know, back when I first
studied homeopathy with doctor Pitcairn, we didn't really you know,
the fax machine was how we was the most technology
(26:47):
we had. And you know, if I had trouble on
a case, I'd fax him and and get his input,
and you know, I dealt with people. We did phone consultations.
There was no computers. People when they needed foods or
herbs or supplements, they went to the local store and
they bought what they could. And nowadays that has, of course,
(27:07):
with the explosion of the media, of social media, of
obviously the computer age, the volume of options that are
there for people wanting to again leave the conventional medical
model is so vast. And I wanted us to touch
on that a little bit this evening, regarding the pros
(27:28):
and cons of that.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
I wanted you to hear.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Yeah, well, I mean I want to start that out
with you know, you and I share you know, space
on several forums. You know, we get all kinds of comments,
all kinds of problems, everything else. And I actually believe that,
you know, they contact you, they contact me on various forums,
(27:52):
and you know, sometimes we run the same one. And
so obviously if they're looking at us, they're looking for
a more holistic and more natural approach to it. And
somebody will come up with a symptom my dog burked
last night, and you're gonna get you know, looking for
you know, is it a problem or isn't it And
(28:12):
you're gonna get a whole stream of rush, right to
the emergency room. You know, that's gotta be AI or
at least computer generated by the allopathic medicine community.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
Isn't it absolutely is?
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Yeah, you know, please panic, will you?
Speaker 3 (28:31):
I got it. I got it.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
At the same time, though, Bill, one of the things
I've seen, which is you know, which I know you are,
because obviously you know my palliopet and you know has
a has a presence. But the tremendous explosion though of
holistic options. You know, the social media queen and kings.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Of veterinarian medicine that are out.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
There selling their products across the land, you know, marketing
their products have you know how wonderful you know, marketing models,
you know, a huge audience. The tremendous expansion of social
media chat rooms for people to just post their animals problem,
like you said, and then get advice from you know,
(29:16):
non veterinarians or non experts. That is a concern of
mine because if some of those animals do need holistic
veterinary guidance, no matter what that is, doesn't have to
be doctor demic to be anybody. What concerns me is
just some of the advice that's being I mean, people
are you know, with some really sick animals with some
(29:37):
advanced pathologies, and they're getting kind of a cookbook approach.
But here's what you do. I'm just gonna go on
Facebook and just you know, go into this room and get.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
All my needs met.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
And I just find that a little bit concerning. I
don't know what you're feeling.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Well, it is because again when I look at all
these practitioners with the letters after their name and all
of that, first off, a lot of what they're promoting,
especially when it comes to supplementation in foods. Of course
they've gone away from the AVMA and their recommendations, but
what they're giving as an alternative is just an alternative.
(30:16):
It's not necessarily better.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
I mean.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
The biggest one that we see is this whole movement
towards freeze dride foods. Well freeze ride foods are ultra
process and they're dead. I mean, I've seen a couple
of posts now where they're actually doing the microscopic you know,
photos of real food freeze dride, and they have the
(30:38):
audacity and this is a personal issue of mind. They
call it raw freeze dried. I know what raw steak
looks like. I know what raw ground beef looks like.
It don't look like anything that doctor so and so
is selling online with his name on it. That's made
in the same plant as the other fourteen holistic veterinarians
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doing this. It's all coming out of the same plant
by the same processors, with the same ingredients. And you know,
it's it's it's actually it's a sham. It's an ultimate sham.
And you know, people don't realize freeze dried foods are
freezer burned foods. We used to throw that out when
you found it in a freezer. Now now they sell
(31:22):
it at a premium at a super premium price. I
mean it's uh and it's still dry. So you still
have the dehydration problem, don't you.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Yes, you do. Lack of water yea.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
And of course our water is so terrible on top
of it. But yeah, you know, and that most of
those people online, they're not referring to good quality water.
They never talk about the hydration part of it, except
that I can't well drink water. They're not designed to
drink out of a bowl. You know, that's a physiological issue.
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But that's that's the advice that happens in every animal
clinic office every single day. Right, make your animally drink
more water.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
That's true, the basic nutrient of the body, the foundation
of the body exactly.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
And you know what I mean. There are systems out there.
They're not cheap, but there are systems out there that
you know, as you're sharing with your pet. You know,
some of these machines have life span of over twenty
five years. Yeah, they're four or five six thousand dollars machines. Okay, Oh,
I can't afford that, you know, There's no way I
can put it in my budget. Oh, by the way,
I just want a new car. My payments were only
(32:34):
seven hundred dollars a month for the next thirty years,
you know, and the car is going to be sitting
in the driveway or are parking a lot ninety percent
of the time.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Right.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
It's framewashing, That's what it really is. And I sometimes
just it boggles my mind because the way people think
we're gonna be right back after this quick break.
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Speaker 2 (34:35):
And welcome back here on a Pet Health Cafe to
show where your pet has voice. This is build a
Pet Health Guru along with my special guests doctor Michael
dimm and we're talking about where are you getting your
information on holistic care. I have a lot of problems
with so much of that stuff. I mean, every time
I see, you know, anything to do with nutrition, especially
(34:55):
it's like cook versus raw. The eighty ten ten uh.
You know, these are animals that came from the wild,
that basically self medicated, self sustain themselves, finding the foods
that were appropriate for them, designed to process it with
their own bodies, and we're trying to micromanage it down
(35:16):
to the I mean, I had a customer today and
now you had a couple customers that you'll enjoy it.
One today has a poodle that appears healthy, probably should.
It's a mini, not a toy, it's a mini, and
she's feeding approximately a third of a pound of food
a day. And she asked me, she says, is that enough?
(35:37):
She says, he always looks hungry, and she literally ran
my hand down the backbone, and I mean it was
protruding so badly. I said, don't listen to what's out
of the internet, you know, because you're trying to find
a specific therapy if you will, even in food is
(35:58):
it got to be a specific protocol and if you
if you move out of that way, it's horrible. And
then I had another couple on Monday. They came in.
They had we've been doing their dogs with herbs and botanicals.
Dogs are doing much better. They're doing horrible. Both of
them have got all kinds of problems and I'm starting
to explain all the same things. Hey, you know what,
you get your dog to share your stuff, that's not
(36:18):
a problem. If it'll allow you. You might have to
buy your own jock because you won't share. But going
through and she you know, we try to eat healthy,
and we try to do this, and we try to
do that. And as a caveat my husband and I
we've been doing a cellery juice every day for years.
It's like, you think that's the natural way, doing one
(36:40):
drink every single day. The body's dynamic. After the third
day of eat of drinking cellry juice, you need something else.
I'm sorry, but you know, and that's why we recommend
rotation and stuff like that. But that is almost never
And you see to them on the forums, especially when
they talk about food, it's always a brand again, one
(37:01):
specific food and they're all looking for the one food
right right.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
And then you know a few of my holistic colleagues
that have a presence on social media, I mean they're
talking about how how you know, complex the Chinese herbal
formulas are, the homeopathic formulas are, and how that confuses
the body and so in some cases not you know again,
yahtual doesn't mean it's going to be you know, healthier
(37:31):
for your animal necessarily. So I've seen a disturbing growth
and tendency. They just want to overdo as many various supplements.
Ione will post something on these these forms and then
and then the moderated chimes in with a whole laundry
list of recommendations and listen to that, and you know,
various probiotics and you know mega different herbs and formulations.
(37:56):
And that's what I mean by getting just so far
a moved the basic penons of good health. You got
to break it down and keep it simple less less.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Again on the back side, it's the body's dynamic. It's
changing every moment of every single day. Our pet is
no different. The nutrients it needs right now, the nutrients
I need right now. There's probably something to calm me down,
you know, because I'm using I'm using up different minerals,
I'm using up different vitamins. Unfortunately, it doesn't work for
(38:30):
weight for weight gain, I'm not bringing enough fat when
when I'm ranting on the radio and on the TV.
But but that's the whole thing. If you start following
that routine, you're throwing the body so far off base,
you know, in one direction, and then you didn't. Nothing's
working anymore. It doesn't work anymore. Well, everything works to
an extent when it comes to natural but if you
(38:52):
overloaded in any given direction, now you've got you've got
a whole different set of allergy symptoms, you know that
sort of thing. It's like I was on another show
with a network over the I do one every Monday.
Now I went another show for like a fifteen minute thing.
We're talking about Thanksgiving and what foods can the pets
(39:13):
have from the Thanksgiving table? Then I said, basically, none
of them. You know, you might want to give a
little bit of turkey, but sweet potatoes, green bean, no.
And we evolved into a discussion about the flu season,
and it was funny because we started looking at Okay,
So we started Halloween with the candy and the junk food.
(39:34):
We moved directly into Thanksgiving with all the different foods
and the different ultra process stuff that we eat at
that holiday, move right into Hanukkah and Christmas again a
lot of bad food, a lot of bad drinking, a
lot of all of that. Going to New Year's Okay,
now we're going to get as healthy. We go to
the supplements store and buy a bunch of toxic supplements.
(39:54):
Then you've got Valentine's Day. Okay, so it's still bad food.
And then all of a sudden, breaking into the flu
season is now gone the toxicity from that. We're going
into algae sis, so which is the body and doing
nothing more and cleaning out six months of bad food.
And it's it's it's so true. And I mean that
we have to watch very very carefully. We don't realize that.
(40:17):
And it's the same thing with our pets because they're
getting into the same foods. They're eating inappropriate things. And
when we look at the pets, okay, first off, from
a totally holistic standpoint, look at what they are doing
as far as the stress level is concerned. You've got
a bunch of drunken relatives over and they're fighting about
politics and everything else. Those dogs are freaking out. If
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they're not freaking out in the room with you, they're
locked up in the closet someplace right not being socialized.
So the energy level in that whole environment just changes dramatically,
and you know, it's something we have to look at holistically,
you know. But of course, yeah, I mean we can
give the Doug Brozact no problem, you know, you know,
(41:01):
can you do you have a sedative? Because you know,
I know on New Year's Eve the fireworks are going
to be going off and they're all going to be
freaking out.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
That's the latest, uh, the lowest tanquilizer.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
Oh but when you look at when we would like
what you and I do is we start working backwards
on it. We found the source. We find so many
sources and yet online like you say, you're getting oh
I use this, I use that, you know that sort
of thing. I know, we got a couple of questions
that came in here. If we can get them up
on the board, take a look at them, and if
(41:36):
you can help address with that. I wonder what she
wants to recommend. Well, basically, a natural unnatural things. Yeah, yeah,
I use an you know, I use ionized water. You know,
I've got a unit at the store. We sell the
the product itself already pre done. You can't afford the
you know, five thousand dollars unit, there's a three thousand
(41:57):
dollars unit. If you don't want to buy that, you
can just buy bottle water. You're buying it anyway for yourself,
you know, and you're basically buying tap water that's been
usually filtered to take out all the minerals, which I
know the body doesn't need any minerals. I mean, it's just,
you know, that's something that some some quack holistic doctors about.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
Another thing though, I wanted to bring up. You know,
we have a few minutes, is.
Speaker 4 (42:26):
You know, when to see like you know, the concern
I have is is that people are going to approach
the social media world with there's the answer for their animals.
I got all these things, and then these animals have
cancer or severe disease and pathologies and they need the
expertise of someone like you or or any holistic trained
(42:47):
veterinarian helped short through the pathology a little bit. And
so what my concern is is that people are going
to get lost in a sea of holistic social media medicine.
And I don't think that's the I mean, it obviously
is not, you know he in some cases, so I
like to post less is more that somebody has tried.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
Yeah, And that's the other thing too, is you know,
they've always been running into this problem too, that if
if a veterinarian has had any alternative, you know, cees
that sort of thing. They call themselves holistic and you
walk in the office and there is the food, there
is a drugs, there's a fleet prevention all that on
the wall, and you look around it and you don't
(43:29):
see anything that's holistic. So you know that's a misrepresentation,
you know.
Speaker 4 (43:34):
I mean I agree. So it's like, you know, we
go from one end of the pendulum to the other,
and I just I just want to, you know, bring
up to the audience that basically, when you do have
very animals with advanced pathologies and cancers and you are
healing with herbs and nutritional therapies or homeopathy, that we
(43:54):
try to keep it to a lessons more approach and
at least bring in someone like yourself or you know,
a holistic veterinarian, you know, a trained holistic veterinarian that's
not doing the things you just mentioned and at least
helping through the situation, because what will happen is is
these people these animals are not going to do well
(44:15):
and then they're going to blame the social media places
and the animals aren't going to get the care that
they need. So I'm not saying that we need to
get them back in the bed offices, right, I'm just
saying that we have to be mindful of just getting
all our advice from you know, social media sources.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
Yeah, and it's again, it's not a single therapy. You
have to do that rotation even in homeout with it.
You try something, you use something, you sometimes you have
to go down the road three four times before everything
is you know, starting to reset itself. And that's what
it's basically about, resetting the body. How can we read
How can our clients and our listeners reach you?
Speaker 4 (44:52):
Oh, they can go to my website which is doctordim
dot com. That's doctor spelled out d O C T
O R D Y M, and that I my information
on my practice, my contact information, and I return emails
pretty quickly.
Speaker 3 (45:07):
Pretty within twenty four hours.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
Good good And of course they can reach me at
my Paleo Pet online consultations as well through the website,
stop by the store I'm usually in there. My staff
yelled at me that I spend too much time explaining
things to people, but you know what, I want them
to have the information. And with that being said, doctor Dimmit,
it's all your pleasure to have you on the show.
We gave a little bit different outlook on this stuff
(45:31):
and hopefully some people will listen to us. And with
that being said, good night everyone, thank you for watching.
Speaker 3 (45:37):
Good Night.
Speaker 5 (45:47):
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