June 26, 2025 • 47 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Any health related information on the following show provides general
information only. Content presented on any show by any host
or guests should not be substituted for a doctor's advice.
Always consult your physician before beginning any new diet, exercise,
or treatment program. And now it's time for Pet Health
(00:30):
Cafe where your Pet has a Voice.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
And here's your host, Bill the Pet Health Guru, and.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Welcome to Pet Health Cafe, the show where your Pet
has a Voice. This is Bill the Pet Health Guru.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
And we've got another Lamb Dunk show for you again tonight.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
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(01:12):
be great. And I got a great show tonight because
it's something that's been coming up. Actually, we've been battling
it for many many probably a decade on this show,
if not more. But we want to talk a little
bit about suppression of information and misinformation, misdiagnosis and censorship.
(01:33):
And with that, I want to bring on my special guests,
doctor Michael dimm who knows well about this as well.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
How you doing, Doc?
Speaker 4 (01:41):
How are you doing tonight? Bill? Very good? Thank you?
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Yah. Just you know, tough topic. I mean, we deal
with it every day. It's crazy, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Yeah, we do.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
I mean, you know, if it's not censorship or or
you know, or like you said, suppression, Uh, it's bastardization,
you know, of our viewpoints often and uh, you know,
certainly in my community of the Venary community, we deal
with kind of isolation of colleagues and uh, you know,
(02:15):
kind of a you know, a war amongst you know, veterinarians.
But you know, often the suppress especially the information that
you and I try to bring out to people on
a on a daily basis, to our clients, you know.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
On your on your side of the of the profession. Again,
I know you and I joke around a lot. I'm
glad I don't have the initials after my name because
I can get by with saying a lot of things
that you can't really. But it's it's, you know, one
of the things that I kind of look at and
(02:49):
really have to wonder about is most pet owners. Of course,
they start out, they get their little pets for balls,
whether it's a puppy or kitten rescue, and of course
immediately have to run to the allopathic vet because we're
told to and you know, we're not even given a
(03:09):
battle plan as to.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
What we should be doing.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
We're basically told that you have to do this, this, this,
you know, these preventative medications, whether they're you know, injectables,
oral topicals, all these different things, and then you have
to come back and back and back, and we're going
to do these blood tests and all this other testing.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
And from the.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
First day that you go in there, you really don't
even have a battle plan. And then so many of
our pet parents, when the bills start to get up
there quite quite high, and the animal does not seem
to be thriving or happy or that sort of thing,
then they're out there trying to seek a different kind
of veterinarian, one like yourself that's got a holistic mind
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and looks at it completely different and actually gives it
to them. Why is there such a disconnect on that
lopathic side.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
Well, it's basically Bill. It's it's kind of like we've
talked about, it's a brainwashing that occurs when we're in
medical school and then it continues in our continuing education
when we get out of school. That basically that you know,
wellness preventative wellness care has to be a cookbook. In
other words, this is how you stay healthy by you know,
(04:24):
a cookbook using external agents or poor quality diets as
the key to what we're told, what we're taught in
school and what we tell our clients is to good health.
So if you don't get this these particular injectibles, if
you don't use the warmings and the you know, the pesticides,
(04:44):
you don't feed these dead processed foods, then you know
your animals are going to be healthy. And it's the opposite,
as we both know. So you know, it's it's our
training in school that not to be healthier, but just
to treat the sick. And actually, in my opinion on
yours as well, is you know, create sickness, create customers,
(05:05):
you know, create uh, you know, people that are be
coming back over and over again for the same problems,
and then eventually it gets deeper and deeper, and then
that pads, the pockets. You know, maybe it'd be good
to go into tonight. You know what's happened to the
veterinary profession in terms of ownership of the venory clinics
and how it's all you know, turned into a finance,
(05:26):
corporate driven marketplace. You know, it's it's it's getting worse
and worse, and our animals are getting unhealthier and unhealthier
with that approach.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Yeah, it's so true, and it's really really you know, tough.
But on the other side of it, it really isn't.
I mean, people like myself, I've been out there. I
mean I've been in the industry for over fifty five years.
I've been preaching this stuff. I've been to the VET
conferences with products and concepts dating back to the nineteen eighties.
(06:02):
You know, you've been around, you know, doing your magic
for forever as well. And yet in the community itself,
in that in that allopathic community, we're just kind of
brushed aside. We're you know, the algorithms on YouTube and
Spotify and iHeartRadio and a lot of these other venues
(06:27):
keep us from getting our message out. And it's that's
not by chance. I don't believe.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
No, it's not.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
And you know you we and I have spoken very much.
You've been you know, censored from various platforms and not
allowed to speak you know, your viewpoints on certain issues
and even using certain words that get you shut off
and shut down and then uh, then we can't put
it present a message at all. So yes, absolutely it's uh.
(06:58):
And you know in my profession it's it's done by
the colleagues. And there are various organizations and political groups
you know where they look at holistic veterinarians as you know,
actually an aberration. And you know it's it's okay to
use that stuff if you're not sick, but no, if
(07:19):
you have illness, sickness, disease, you must you know, use
drug A, drug B, drug C. You know you you
can't use foods to heal, you can only use them
to band aid symptoms. You know, some of the commercial
pet foods that have been developed for so many different conditions.
And so you know, there really is, you know, a
(07:39):
big movement out there to squash you know what you
and I have to say.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
You know, I monitor you know a number of different
chat groups that sort ofly on social media. I know
you do too, because we kind of get involved in
some of the same things. And even within some of
the suppression and sometimes condemnation is actually coming from the
consumers that just do not want to believe anything but
(08:07):
a white code.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Isn't that true?
Speaker 4 (08:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (08:09):
Yeah, I mean we you and I talk about this
all the time. It's you know, you get people that
are you know, indoctrinated by that white code, and you know,
hold what they say is gospel, and you know that
that there's no other absolute truth. But what comes out
of their mouths. You know, they did their training, they
did this, they did that, but you know, there's there's
(08:30):
so much more to health, and you know, it's very frustrating,
like you said, when you participate with some of these
groups and we try and you know bring up or
or you know, present other ways of addressing issues, and
there's a lot of resistance and anger and fear that
come into play.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
You know, it's interesting.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
You know, we we discussed a little bit over the weekend,
chatted back and forth about a mutual client that we
have that the animal was an obvious victim of some
sort of toxicity poisoning very very acute young golden retriever
crashed and was given oh was it five to seven
(09:12):
days to live and supposedly by a seed of a
sago palm. A single seed I didn't know could actually
do that much damage. And you know, I talked to
clients all the time that their dogs get into them
all the time. I think it was probably a probably
a kill animal that in a property because it is
a rural area, right, you know, poison, possibly poisoned with
(09:35):
rat poison or who knows what dropped by a hawker owl.
I had a client in today that Chris doggy. He
took it over to the playground. That dog's running around
and everything else. Next thing you know, he's got this
white thing in his mouth and it happens to be
a basically a hand wipe, which we know those are
coated with all kinds of anti fungal, antibacterial poisons. And
(09:57):
of course you know, the dog immediately well immediately, but
within the twelve hour period came down with diarrhea and
of course good dose of slippery elm and it was gone.
But this other client in talking with him, he was
so obsessed with what mainstream allopathic medicine was saying in
(10:18):
the test results, test results test results.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
And they look at it.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
And when I looked at his, and I've looked at it,
I had a couple others come in this weekend with
similar type of situations and they're looking at this and
they're looking at all the red on the paper. But
when you start looking at the red, you know, identified
highs and lows and all of that sort of thing,
you notice that there may be one point off, two
points off. It's not without you know, as well, within
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the margin of error.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
And yet they're in complete panic. And in this.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Particular client, as you know, I said, quit looking at
the paper, what's your dog doing? And he was talking
about you giving another homeopathic remedy that pick the dog's
energy up, and he says, I don't want to give
it to him because the Doug is all but running
on the ceiling right now. You have to believe what
you see. And when I went through, I said, so
(11:14):
you let me get this straight. The dog that you
contacted me about in December, that was given five to
seven days to live is now almost running on the ceiling, happy,
healthy and use.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Stealing panic mode. Right, look at the animal, don't look
at the paper right right?
Speaker 5 (11:34):
Well, I mean he goes back to what you were saying.
Also is is that you know, there's an indoctrination of
certain clients that kind of have their feet in both worlds.
They still want to stay. They want to do it
the what we're preaching and whether it's homeopathy or you know,
food herbs and botanicals and fresh fruit diets. But then
they go back to what's familiar, and then they go
(11:57):
into that model and they'll see a veterinarian that will
run the life tests and say, look, your animal is this,
and you know, look, you know, sensible medicine one O
one you know says that the lab tests are not
meant to be gospel. They're meant to back up what
we see clinically in our patients, in other words, how
they feel, what symptoms they have. And so to try
(12:20):
to use it the opposite and saying, okay, you don't
fit your lab tests. I mean your lab tests say
you're sick. That's hardly you know, hardly a holistic approach
to health. And so you know, I try to discourage
this particular client from getting the repetitive tests over and
over again, and but you know, he just is insistent
(12:41):
on it.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
And I on it.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
You know, I have to acknowledge his feelings as do you,
and but you know he is in a panic mode.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
And that's and.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
Then the veterinary, the allopathic veterinarians actually you know, thrive
and I'd say, see what are you doing? You know,
you're having an animal on this and that, and you're
spending all this money on foods and herbs. And then
they go ahead and prescribe you know, synthetic supplements or
you know, processed vitamins that are manufactured in a lab,
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and you know, for whether it be to raise their
iron levels or lower the cholesterol. I mean, it's just
you know, instead of just looking at the patient, like
you said, a happy puppy that's running around, that's growing,
that's gaining weight, that's eating. That's what the definition of
health is, not what a lab tests.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
It's exactly true. And I mean I hit another one.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Of course, then the same that came in on Saturday,
an old time customer, but fell into that panic mode
when a dog just wasn't doing well, went off its food,
that sort of thing. And if it weren't for so
called pet insurance, they would have been struck down with
literally tens of thousands of dollars.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
They were actually dropping the.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Dog off in the morning, more fluids and more blood
work every single day of the week for like a
two week period. And it's like it didn't cost me
anything for the blood work because that's included in the insurance. Well,
death net wasn't doing any any favor to that animal.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
With stressing them out every single day with it with
more blood work? Was it?
Speaker 5 (14:08):
Oh not at all? Absolutely, whether the insurance covet it
or not. I mean, again, what's the purpose of doing this?
The only purpose is that, like I said, it's used to,
like I said, feed fear and hesitation and doubt and
then reliance on the white coat. What can you do
to you know, what do you have medicine wise, surgically wise,
(14:29):
drug wise? That's going to you know, help my patient
have normal lab work, you know, And it's ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Well, and that's the thing too, There is no I mean,
first off, those the reference numbers are all basically put
in there by different drug companies to be able to
sell more medication.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
But and they're moving target.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
I mean, when you can run it one week and
your range will be one thing and the next week
is the range can change overnight, and.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
It's just you know, it's it's what they do.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
And the thing is is also put and I sent
I think I sent you the article on alt ference
and being used to diagnose all these liver problems. And
you take an active dog and a raw fat dog,
all the liver enzymes are going to be high no
matter how you look at it, because they're not doing
an adjustment for the diet. I can remember going back
(15:21):
to this was like in two thousand and one, the
University of Georgia actually published a study raw fed versus
kibble fed dog's with the blood works and it showed
that there's a big of a sizable difference between them,
and of course a lot of it's with those blood values.
And of course I jumped on that, you know my personality,
(15:44):
it's like, oh, if your vet is using this for
diagnostic purposes, did they take into consideration the diet and
make the proper adjustments. And the veterinarians got very, very upset.
One of the makers of one of the prescription diets
became a obsessed with my evaluation and literally bought the
nutrition chair at the University of Georgia and all the
(16:08):
research disappeared overnight, never be found again. It's like, you know,
so you know when we talk about censorship and suppression
and things like that, this is a good example. I
just saw that Mars just purchased a chair I think
it was in the University of Texas basically taking over
(16:29):
their their nutrition department. And you know, is there commitment
to making sure that we can put out the best
prescription type diets in the world. You know, it's it's
smoking mirrors and they've got you know, Mars, Candy's got
the money.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
I mean, let's face it.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
I mean you and I sitting down here, you know,
wondering if we could pay for the next show.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
You know, the the thing going back to the lab
work aspect. You know, one of the biggest puzzes of
decline clinically in the human patient is fear and anxiety.
Whether you find out you have a cancer diagnosis or
you find out, you know, you have some severe illness.
All the neurochemicals in the body that are generated as
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a result of that accelerate the illness as well as
you know, accelerate the illness and you know, lead to
them using drugs and medications. Our animals don't have those
egos involved with their illness. So in other words, they're
just like you said, you have a golden retriever puppy
with high liver enzymes, still running around, playing being it's
(17:37):
you know, growing, you know, energetic, engaging, and you know
that should be what matters. But if this particular guardian
and you know, continues to be at a heightened level
of fear and anxiety, our animals as psychic sponges, we
talk about their relationship with the animal with the guardian
as psychic sponges, they're going to end up getting sick
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because the guardians are so anxious and fearful and emotionally,
you know, let's say, out of balance. And so we
have to be mindful of that as well, you know,
when it comes to you know, the land value aspect
of things. And of course what happens is is when
these animals, you know, do have high liver enzymes, the
allopaths look at it and they say, oh, your animal
(18:18):
is sick, and what are you doing, and then we
get suppressed or censored or whatever it may be exactly,
and you know, it goes down the hills from there down.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Okay, so we're gonna take a quick break here, and
when we come back, I want to expand on that
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Speaker 2 (18:35):
We'll be right back.
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Speaker 3 (20:57):
Welcome back to the Pet Health Cafe, the show where
your petitive voice. This is build a Pet Health Guru
along with my special guests, doctor Michael dimm And we're
talking about censorship and UH truth suppression, UH even misinformation
directive misinformation when it comes to your pets health, primarily
(21:19):
for the sake of a sale money. It's you know,
I described that one where we're doing blood tests every
single day, and as as you know, I said, I
know anybody that's worked in the clinical part of animal health,
taking and drawing a blood sample is not easy. They're
(21:41):
not really cooperative to start with. The fact of the
matter is, unless you're dealing with a giant breed of dog,
you can't find most of the blood vessels. So you're
sticking in the needle land, working it around until you
find something that starts bleeding to get some blood. The
sample is tainted because it's damaged hemololus as factors are
going to be changing their blood chemistry. The animals already
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in fight or flight, the alt is going to be
elevated because the trauma is poor animals going through.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
You know, how can you get an accurate, any kind
of accurate measurement?
Speaker 5 (22:17):
Really, yeah, exactly, I've always said that for decades. Regarding
another aspect of that is when my colleagues attempt to
measure the blood pressure of a dog or a cat
in the clinic and then diagnose high blood pressure and
put them on very strong suppressive medications. And you know,
how can you get an accurate reading when you have
an animal that's beyond stress, Like you're saying.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
It's you know, it's nuts, you know.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
I mean, I use those reference numbers and that sort
of thing a lot to my own advantage when I'm
explaining things. It's like, you know, when I get a
diabetic animal in especially, it's like, you know, depending on
the lab and you know the way they're rating things.
The old range used to be that if you were
if the blood sugar was under ninety, you were fine
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at eighty nine, so you were completely healthy at it
hit ninety, you have to be an insulin for the
rest of your life. And I said, listen, I don't
know what your what your blood sugar is, but I'm
gonna make you diabetic in two hours time.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Let's go to lunch.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
We're gonna have a couple of martinis, some dessert, and
then we're gonna test your blood again. And you know
your blood sugar is gonna be through the ceiling, isn't
it right?
Speaker 4 (23:26):
Exactly?
Speaker 5 (23:27):
And for the purposes of the show bill, I don't
know how I should have mentioned it here before we
came on without going and saying that they're all bad
or anything like that. But I don't know how we
could talk about a show like this with money and
greed or religious practice of that has no basis of
science or evidence, which is the injection issue. I don't
know how you cannot bring that up in this show.
(23:50):
But that's I understand why we, you know, have to
be very delicate with that sort of thing, because we
don't want to be suppressed.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
That's that's right.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
I mean, I saw one of our favorite celebrity Vents
did a post earlier this week and was talking about
leptos borrosis, and you know that well, you know, you
got to look at the environment and you know, the
the behavior of the animal and this whole big, long thing.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
But at the very end of it, as she's dinnerwing down.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
The focus, it's a lot of you've got to come
and see your veterinarian, have a have a consult with
him so he can guide you. And that's kind of
why I brought it up in the beginning, that you
go to your l path and it just starts doing
things and there is no guideline, There is no path
they don't ask you any kind of questions as to
what kind of family life you're going to have with
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the animal. It's gonna be an outdoor dog, an indoor dog,
you know, couch potato active, hunting dog, guard dog, whatever.
So how can you even start to put together a
program and you know, wellness program if you don't have
the information?
Speaker 5 (24:55):
Absolutely I agree, And you're right about the celebrity and
areas that we talked about them all the time, and
those are the ones that seem to have a you
know kind of that that platform where I guess they're
I mean a lot of them, a lot of these
celebrity media you know, social media, you know Internet veterinarians
(25:16):
that are you know, mass mass everywhere. A lot of
them are allopathic in their in their viewpoints at their core.
I've known many of them over the years, a few
of them over the years, and you and I speak
about it all the time, and it's like, you know,
their their beliefs. Even though they might recommend all these
herbs and products and supplements and all of that instead
(25:39):
of drugs, you know, their their views on some of
the things like the injections and and the and and
other aspects of medical workups and care are still very
often will fall under fear based or allopathic. One of
the celebrity that's ill never forget, I, you know, gave
a was giving a talk, was on YouTube and was saying,
if your animal gets a lump, you better make sure
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you go in and get it aspirated or removed. And
as you and I talk about all the time when
we deal with those things, that's the last thing we
want to be. You know, that's such a fear based
you know, technique that's used to then manipulate the clients
to again either have mass surgery or or or expensive
workups or chemo or radiation. And you know, in my practice,
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I just had a client today. A dog came in,
a large beet dog with a little lump on the
end of its leg, and the veterinarian had aspirated it said, oh,
it's good news, and it's this and it's that, and
you know that's just all fear based practice. So you know,
you and I try to really stick to our guns
when it comes to what a real more empowered, non
(26:43):
fear based approach to healthcare is. And you know, there
there isn't a lot of that out there.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
No, it's funny. I had another client called me this week.
Multiple dog owner tries to do the right thing with
raw feeding was basically and in fact, this client actually
deals in with a lot of elderly people that have
got all kinds of health issues because she's around people
(27:09):
that have taken ten to fifteen different you know, medications
every day and then she tries to convert them to
me to help out.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
But anyway, her.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Dog, one of her dogs, one of roller dogs, has
had tumors for years, and they come and they basically
come and go. And of course that you know, and
the part of this is because she does not follow
mirable programs and detox programs, is you know, as diligently
as she really should. So when she forgets to give
it for a few days and the tumors start to
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expand again you have to grow a little bit or
they're more noticeable, it's like panic, panic, panic.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
And she called me.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Up and said, oh, the tumors, it looks like they're
growing again, and my poor dog is suffering so bad.
She's like so miserable. Like if she's miserable and suffering,
it's not from that lump on your back. There's something
else going on that that that that's why the blumps
are there. What did you clean your house with last
week or the they before or whatever, And you know what.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Did they get into?
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Like you said, that dog that picked up a you know,
a uh, how do you wipe or something?
Speaker 2 (28:14):
You know, that stuff can happen in a flesh and
quite often people don't don't even know it. Just like
that mutual client a sago palm seed. How do you
know that it ingested that?
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Did it come out to the other end or did
you just surmise that because they were there somebody told
you that's toxic. So therefore one and one has to
be three.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
Exactly right, Bill, you know, And with the like I said,
with the lumps, the way we look at it holistically
speaking is that again and the oncologists and the conventional thatdinary.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
Community is going to be what are you kidding me?
Speaker 5 (28:49):
Or and clients have been sold brainwashed into the approach
of dealing with lumps. But you know, we look at
it in homeopathy as a strategy of the life force
to push to the outside a whole body tendency, I know.
And of course we can break it down into lymphatics
and toxicity and all that. But it's a strategy of
the energetic, you know, governing body of the of the body.
(29:12):
And you know, it doesn't matter what the cells under
the microscope say. If you you know it's it's I've
seen dogs for years have these quote unquote mass cell tumors,
which my colleagues are always frightening the clients that you
must take these off. We must get rid of them.
We have to do chemo if we don't get wide margins.
(29:33):
And I have clients that for years have these allopathically
diagnosed mass cell tumors advanced grade that just sit there
and do nothing. And the more they're attacked with drugs
and medicines and surgery, the more they get more aggressive.
Then the more you and I preach what I just said,
the more rare attacked.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
And of course with the approaches that we take with
food and herbals and homeopathy and energy, tumors disappear magically.
It's just it's just you know, And when they do
go back to their allopathic vet, you're like, I don't
know what you did, but whatever you're doing, just keep
(30:13):
it up. I don't but don't tell me don't tell
me what it is, because then you might try to
change my belief system and I can't do that because
I'm a I'm a doctor.
Speaker 5 (30:23):
Right right, Yeah, No, it's really and uh, you know
there's the the establishment, you know again has has a good,
good old boy and girls club where if you stray
outside of those standards, you know, what they consider the
standard of care. You know, they're going to go out
of the way to go after you get reported to
(30:44):
the vet board if you're not practicing quote unquote a
standard of medicine that is considered allopathically appropriate. And you know,
a lot of my colleagues, you know, I mean, it
hasn't happened to me. I mean maybe once I've had
a query of it. But ven or boards will come
after veterinarians for holistic veterinarians for you know, not doing
(31:05):
an approach an allopathic work and an allopathic treatment plan
on an animal. And some of my colleagues have left
the profession and actually become consultants like you you know,
and you know, and they no longer they don't keep
up their veterinary degrees because they don't want any part
of that politics and greed and money that you know,
runs so much of this profession on so many levels.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
It's it's gotta be tough, and I mean, you know,
and I've kind of mentored and guided some of my
younger team members and that sort of thing because they
wanted to.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
You know, a lot of them want to get.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Into medicine, so they're dealing with you know, they're helping animals,
but in reality, you're actually doing very little with the
animal itself and even in many cases helping it. Basically
you're dealing with owners and medications that try to cover
up what's going on. It's you know, I advise them.
(32:04):
You know, you want to help the animal become a groomer,
become a trainer, you know, a nutritional consult and things
of this nature, because this is this is where you're
really going to help. I mean, you and I do
this every day. It's part of our life, and you
know we can see and we see the results. I mean,
you know, a lot of veterinarians are only seeing five
(32:25):
to ten clients a day. I might get fifty people,
one hundred people through my front door on any given day,
and you know, you all have the same questions and
you know, unfortunately I don't have time to consult individually
with Also, I just make sure that when I'm explaining
to one client, that raise my voice so everybody can
hear me.
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And with that being said, we'll be right back after
this break.
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Speaker 3 (34:29):
And welcome back to the Pet Health Cafe to show
where you are pet as a voice.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
This is Bill with Pet Health Guru.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
And my special guest, doctor Michael dem And we're talking
about the suppression of truth and censorship and all that stuff.
A couple of things that I wanted to throw in
and I know when we get going the shows go
by so fast. But the influence of paid celebrities and
paid influencers, especially in the food areas, but we're seeing
(34:56):
it more and more on uh, inventive drugs as well.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
That's not even honest, is it.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
No?
Speaker 5 (35:06):
I don't know, it's just it's it's it's profit driven,
you know, It's just can't be honest when money starts
to be the main the main focus of it, Bill,
you know, and you know, I know I wanted to
just jump in on there is that. You know, basically,
if you're going to summarize like just in general, you know,
(35:26):
our whole philosophy, whether it's homeopathy, RBS. Who I think
it's a less is more and so the more fancy
we get with drugs, medicines, you know, polypharmacy, herbal not herbals,
but polypharmacy supplements like we talk about. You know, that's
not the key to good health. It doesn't really you
don't have to come up with every little thing to
(35:49):
try and you know, and you know, force the body
into better health. That a client come in today, you know,
I sent your direction for food and she says, well,
does he have anything as a binder? And I said, well,
something as simple as spiderlin or in chlorella. I mean
those are you know. She wanted something like some magic
you know, yeah, supplement that's gonna act as an herb
(36:10):
as a binder to Boxin's, and you know, I said,
it's just it's very simple most of the time. And
you know, and a lot of our holistic you know,
celebrity you know, colleagues, you know, they feel they have
to you know, have a whole product line of this,
that and the other thing, and you know it's often
not necessary. And then of course, you know, you get
censored or or or suppressed when we don't go along
(36:32):
with those philosophies.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
And you know the other thing is is, you know
a lot of natural products, especially herbs and botanicals. You know,
we hear a lot about well, and it's actually true
with in homeopathy that it wasn't homeopathic medicine, it wasn't
herbal medicine, it wasn't food medicine. It was just homeopathics,
(36:56):
it was just herbs, it was just food.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
And the metal part.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
Of that was added so that there could be suppression
of this stuff that it's not a proper it's not
the it's not the mainstream way of treating disease, if
you will. And as you and I discussed on this
show many many times, the majority of the problems that
we see and that we hear about are not diseases.
They're actually nothing more than a single event. Pancreatitzes is
(37:23):
a good example. Why is a pancreas getting inflamed, you know,
irritable bowel? Why are you irritating the bowel? I mean,
you know you have to if you just put a
little bit of common sense with that, the answer is
right in front of you. And you know when we
look at you know, pharmaceuticals that IBD that ibs okay,
(37:45):
in reality, is actually getting worse, more irritated. But if
I give you a drug that suppresses the feeling of it,
and that's what drugs, most drugs do, is they're suppressing
the feelings, it's just running rampant, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (37:59):
Yeah, yeah, it's out of control because like you said,
the drugs are just suppressing a pull, a small expression
of it. Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
And you know you mentioned it on the show a
couple of weeks ago that it doesn't matter what the
doctor does, what you prescribe, or what procedure you do,
chances are the body's going to heal itself anyway, because
that's what it's designed to do.
Speaker 5 (38:22):
Like I said, the first thing they taught us in
ved school, they said to us when we got in
the first day they had the orientation was you know,
eighty percent of the animal is probably higher get better,
no matter what we do. And you know, it's like
because there's a wisdom there. And but if we come
at them as we've been doing now in conventional vet care,
I mean, because the onslaught is just it's just growing
(38:44):
and expanding, whether it's polypharmacy, herbal herbal polypharmacy, pesticide preventatives,
or wormings, or you know, increasing numbers of injections at
more frequencies, higher frequencies. I mean, you know, it's just
just there's no end in sight. And you know we
(39:04):
have to remain strong Bill and and speak our truth
and not give a political answer.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
That's what I think is important.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
Well, the other thing is, you know, is the false
and misleading information that's given. For instance, you know, most
of the heartworm products and flee and tick products are
being sold as a prevention, and yet on the box itself,
on the container, on the insert, it clearly states this
(39:35):
is not a preventative. Now, I don't know about you,
but I don't like beings lie to that blatant.
Speaker 4 (39:42):
Absolutely. That's a great example.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
You know, if you said I've used this and I
didn't have a problem, that's one thing. But you know,
you don't know that, you know, there's no proof that
it prevents it anything.
Speaker 6 (39:52):
Now.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
I know that we had a couple of comments come
up there in the chat we didn't address at the moment,
and you know, as we look at it. Our time
goes by a lot. Okay, so Karen hasn't had any
blood work done. That's good thing, I guess, you know,
to be honest, either have I in like thirty five years,
forty years? So I'm in that ballpark two so and
(40:18):
you know I get a cue sometimes that well.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Don't you want to know what you have? Well, if
I'm sick, I know it.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
And I know enough about my body that if I
need a specialist, somebody that I can rely, and I'm
gonna find a person that really knows about it and
knows the whole body. A heart specialist doesn't know about
the body. And I don't know what the last comment was.
Let's see if you'll pull that back one last one
up again? Uh ah, thank you, Yes, it's uh doctor
(40:47):
dim And I think you are on a mission if
you will.
Speaker 5 (40:51):
For a long time, you know, and uh, you know
the the idea about like censorship bill and again I'll
just mentioned it briefly, is you know the idea of
these of the injections and how often they're given for
preventing disease, and you know, their own science and their
own evidence says that those injections last much much longer
(41:13):
in the body, and yet my colleagues still insist on
giving those injections every year, every three years, and it's
just it's so luterated. It has no basis in any
sort of evidence based medicine using their own arguments. And so,
you know, if we come along and we try to
do it differently and we don't follow their standard, which
(41:34):
has no science to it, you know, we're suppressed, we're squashed,
we're bastardized. And then it just goes on and on
and on, and it's all governed by just you know,
monetary you know gain, and to be fair, there's this
fear and there's a religious dogmatic aspect to a lot
of the practices that we do in conventional vet care.
(41:56):
I had a dog I think you saw it. I
posted the case on social media. Sixteen year old dog
went in because one of its lumps that it had
for you know, six for years to started bleeding. So
the client was concerned and wanted it removed or treated.
And because it was bleeding, the doll was licking.
Speaker 4 (42:13):
Biting at it.
Speaker 5 (42:14):
They had a collar on it, and it went in
and it got injections and wormings and you know, testing
and X rays and the work up before the surgery
was like twelve thirteen hundred dollars just for me, you know,
to check out a little lump that was just bleeding,
and so you could see the what drove that. You know,
(42:35):
what drives the veterinary business often the veentary practice, and
it's hardly the care of the patients. I've worked in
conventional VET clinics and now they're driven by you know,
what can you generate income wise? That's how you get paid,
and you know, and that leads to medical choices you make,
whether it's good for the animal or not. It's just
(42:56):
so tragic.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
Yeah, well too, And you know we're looking at two
and lumps and bumps. That's the body, as you noted
earlier in the show, that's the body trying to get
rid of stuff. Well, eventually those lumps and bumps have
to basically burst open like a pimple so that they're
toxin and those dead cells and those disease cells can
(43:17):
escape the body, and then the body.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
Closes up that wound and it heals naturally, doesn't.
Speaker 5 (43:22):
It absolutely does. Yeah, Yeah, that's all. And I tell
clients that, I mean, I tell them when we whether
when we're doing something as simple as doing a raw diet.
I said, you know, they're so afraid what happens if
he gets diarrhea. I said, Rob, that's what we want.
We want some discharge. We want that year to push out.
We don't want the animal to be uncomfortable or miserable
(43:42):
or severely dehydrated. But at the same time, that's part
of part of the way the body deals with living
in a toxic world and coming from a toxic history.
Speaker 3 (43:53):
Yeah, it's funny because you know, most people, and I
tell people all the time, okay, diarrhea especially, Okay, every
day you go to the bathroom yourself is a new experience,
and it's like you have to relieve yourself. Once you're relieved,
you feel a lot better. No matter how it is,
it's an instant cure. And you know, you're so worried
about the dog suffering. I was not even thinking about it.
(44:14):
It's like, Okay, where's the spot, let me go, And
that's the end of that.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
You know, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
It's soft hard, They don't they don't even look at it.
So I did they even know. Okay, we're uppy, Yes,
we're purjaying exactly. So, doctor Dem, how can people reach you?
We're at the end of our our show again is always.
Speaker 5 (44:32):
They can go to my website which is doctor dim
dot com, d O C T O R D y
M dot com that has my contact information, my email address,
and more information on my philosophy and practice and practice yep.
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be great. And I got a great show tonight because
it's something that's been coming up. Actually, we've been battling
it for many many probably a decade on this show,
if not more. But we want to talk a little
bit about suppression of information and misinformation, misdiagnosis and censorship.
(01:33):
And with that, I want to bring on my special guests,
doctor Michael dimm who knows well about this as well.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
How you doing, Doc?
Speaker 4 (01:41):
How are you doing tonight? Bill? Very good? Thank you?
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Yah. Just you know, tough topic. I mean, we deal
with it every day. It's crazy, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Yeah, we do.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
I mean, you know, if it's not censorship or or
you know, or like you said, suppression, Uh, it's bastardization,
you know, of our viewpoints often and uh, you know,
certainly in my community of the Venary community, we deal
with kind of isolation of colleagues and uh, you know,
(02:15):
kind of a you know, a war amongst you know, veterinarians.
But you know, often the suppress especially the information that
you and I try to bring out to people on
a on a daily basis, to our clients, you know.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
On your on your side of the of the profession. Again,
I know you and I joke around a lot. I'm
glad I don't have the initials after my name because
I can get by with saying a lot of things
that you can't really. But it's it's, you know, one
of the things that I kind of look at and
(02:49):
really have to wonder about is most pet owners. Of course,
they start out, they get their little pets for balls,
whether it's a puppy or kitten rescue, and of course
immediately have to run to the allopathic vet because we're
told to and you know, we're not even given a
(03:09):
battle plan as to.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
What we should be doing.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
We're basically told that you have to do this, this, this,
you know, these preventative medications, whether they're you know, injectables,
oral topicals, all these different things, and then you have
to come back and back and back, and we're going
to do these blood tests and all this other testing.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
And from the.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
First day that you go in there, you really don't
even have a battle plan. And then so many of
our pet parents, when the bills start to get up
there quite quite high, and the animal does not seem
to be thriving or happy or that sort of thing,
then they're out there trying to seek a different kind
of veterinarian, one like yourself that's got a holistic mind
(03:54):
and looks at it completely different and actually gives it
to them. Why is there such a disconnect on that
lopathic side.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
Well, it's basically Bill. It's it's kind of like we've
talked about, it's a brainwashing that occurs when we're in
medical school and then it continues in our continuing education
when we get out of school. That basically that you know,
wellness preventative wellness care has to be a cookbook. In
other words, this is how you stay healthy by you know,
(04:24):
a cookbook using external agents or poor quality diets as
the key to what we're told, what we're taught in
school and what we tell our clients is to good health.
So if you don't get this these particular injectibles, if
you don't use the warmings and the you know, the pesticides,
(04:44):
you don't feed these dead processed foods, then you know
your animals are going to be healthy. And it's the opposite,
as we both know. So you know, it's it's our
training in school that not to be healthier, but just
to treat the sick. And actually, in my opinion on
yours as well, is you know, create sickness, create customers,
(05:05):
you know, create uh, you know, people that are be
coming back over and over again for the same problems,
and then eventually it gets deeper and deeper, and then
that pads, the pockets. You know, maybe it'd be good
to go into tonight. You know what's happened to the
veterinary profession in terms of ownership of the venory clinics
and how it's all you know, turned into a finance,
(05:26):
corporate driven marketplace. You know, it's it's it's getting worse
and worse, and our animals are getting unhealthier and unhealthier
with that approach.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Yeah, it's so true, and it's really really you know, tough.
But on the other side of it, it really isn't.
I mean, people like myself, I've been out there. I
mean I've been in the industry for over fifty five years.
I've been preaching this stuff. I've been to the VET
conferences with products and concepts dating back to the nineteen eighties.
(06:02):
You know, you've been around, you know, doing your magic
for forever as well. And yet in the community itself,
in that in that allopathic community, we're just kind of
brushed aside. We're you know, the algorithms on YouTube and
Spotify and iHeartRadio and a lot of these other venues
(06:27):
keep us from getting our message out. And it's that's
not by chance. I don't believe.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
No, it's not.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
And you know you we and I have spoken very much.
You've been you know, censored from various platforms and not
allowed to speak you know, your viewpoints on certain issues
and even using certain words that get you shut off
and shut down and then uh, then we can't put
it present a message at all. So yes, absolutely it's uh.
(06:58):
And you know in my profession it's it's done by
the colleagues. And there are various organizations and political groups
you know where they look at holistic veterinarians as you know,
actually an aberration. And you know it's it's okay to
use that stuff if you're not sick, but no, if
(07:19):
you have illness, sickness, disease, you must you know, use
drug A, drug B, drug C. You know you you
can't use foods to heal, you can only use them
to band aid symptoms. You know, some of the commercial
pet foods that have been developed for so many different conditions.
And so you know, there really is, you know, a
(07:39):
big movement out there to squash you know what you
and I have to say.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
You know, I monitor you know a number of different
chat groups that sort ofly on social media. I know
you do too, because we kind of get involved in
some of the same things. And even within some of
the suppression and sometimes condemnation is actually coming from the
consumers that just do not want to believe anything but
(08:07):
a white code.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Isn't that true?
Speaker 4 (08:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (08:09):
Yeah, I mean we you and I talk about this
all the time. It's you know, you get people that
are you know, indoctrinated by that white code, and you know,
hold what they say is gospel, and you know that
that there's no other absolute truth. But what comes out
of their mouths. You know, they did their training, they
did this, they did that, but you know, there's there's
(08:30):
so much more to health, and you know, it's very frustrating,
like you said, when you participate with some of these
groups and we try and you know bring up or
or you know, present other ways of addressing issues, and
there's a lot of resistance and anger and fear that
come into play.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
You know, it's interesting.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
You know, we we discussed a little bit over the weekend,
chatted back and forth about a mutual client that we
have that the animal was an obvious victim of some
sort of toxicity poisoning very very acute young golden retriever
crashed and was given oh was it five to seven
(09:12):
days to live and supposedly by a seed of a
sago palm. A single seed I didn't know could actually
do that much damage. And you know, I talked to
clients all the time that their dogs get into them
all the time. I think it was probably a probably
a kill animal that in a property because it is
a rural area, right, you know, poison, possibly poisoned with
(09:35):
rat poison or who knows what dropped by a hawker owl.
I had a client in today that Chris doggy. He
took it over to the playground. That dog's running around
and everything else. Next thing you know, he's got this
white thing in his mouth and it happens to be
a basically a hand wipe, which we know those are
coated with all kinds of anti fungal, antibacterial poisons. And
(09:57):
of course you know, the dog immediately well immediately, but
within the twelve hour period came down with diarrhea and
of course good dose of slippery elm and it was gone.
But this other client in talking with him, he was
so obsessed with what mainstream allopathic medicine was saying in
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the test results, test results test results.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
And they look at it.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
And when I looked at his, and I've looked at it,
I had a couple others come in this weekend with
similar type of situations and they're looking at this and
they're looking at all the red on the paper. But
when you start looking at the red, you know, identified
highs and lows and all of that sort of thing,
you notice that there may be one point off, two
points off. It's not without you know, as well, within
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the margin of error.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
And yet they're in complete panic. And in this.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Particular client, as you know, I said, quit looking at
the paper, what's your dog doing? And he was talking
about you giving another homeopathic remedy that pick the dog's
energy up, and he says, I don't want to give
it to him because the Doug is all but running
on the ceiling right now. You have to believe what
you see. And when I went through, I said, so
(11:14):
you let me get this straight. The dog that you
contacted me about in December, that was given five to
seven days to live is now almost running on the ceiling, happy,
healthy and use.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Stealing panic mode. Right, look at the animal, don't look
at the paper right right?
Speaker 5 (11:34):
Well, I mean he goes back to what you were saying.
Also is is that you know, there's an indoctrination of
certain clients that kind of have their feet in both worlds.
They still want to stay. They want to do it
the what we're preaching and whether it's homeopathy or you know,
food herbs and botanicals and fresh fruit diets. But then
they go back to what's familiar, and then they go
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into that model and they'll see a veterinarian that will
run the life tests and say, look, your animal is this,
and you know, look, you know, sensible medicine one O
one you know says that the lab tests are not
meant to be gospel. They're meant to back up what
we see clinically in our patients, in other words, how
they feel, what symptoms they have. And so to try
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to use it the opposite and saying, okay, you don't
fit your lab tests. I mean your lab tests say
you're sick. That's hardly you know, hardly a holistic approach
to health. And so you know, I try to discourage
this particular client from getting the repetitive tests over and
over again, and but you know, he just is insistent
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on it.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
And I on it.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
You know, I have to acknowledge his feelings as do you,
and but you know he is in a panic mode.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
And that's and.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
Then the veterinary, the allopathic veterinarians actually you know, thrive
and I'd say, see what are you doing? You know,
you're having an animal on this and that, and you're
spending all this money on foods and herbs. And then
they go ahead and prescribe you know, synthetic supplements or
you know, processed vitamins that are manufactured in a lab,
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and you know, for whether it be to raise their
iron levels or lower the cholesterol. I mean, it's just
you know, instead of just looking at the patient, like
you said, a happy puppy that's running around, that's growing,
that's gaining weight, that's eating. That's what the definition of
health is, not what a lab tests.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
It's exactly true. And I mean I hit another one.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Of course, then the same that came in on Saturday,
an old time customer, but fell into that panic mode
when a dog just wasn't doing well, went off its food,
that sort of thing. And if it weren't for so
called pet insurance, they would have been struck down with
literally tens of thousands of dollars.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
They were actually dropping the.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Dog off in the morning, more fluids and more blood
work every single day of the week for like a
two week period. And it's like it didn't cost me
anything for the blood work because that's included in the insurance. Well,
death net wasn't doing any any favor to that animal.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
With stressing them out every single day with it with
more blood work? Was it?
Speaker 5 (14:08):
Oh not at all? Absolutely, whether the insurance covet it
or not. I mean, again, what's the purpose of doing this?
The only purpose is that, like I said, it's used to,
like I said, feed fear and hesitation and doubt and
then reliance on the white coat. What can you do
to you know, what do you have medicine wise, surgically wise,
(14:29):
drug wise? That's going to you know, help my patient
have normal lab work, you know, And it's ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Well, and that's the thing too, There is no I mean,
first off, those the reference numbers are all basically put
in there by different drug companies to be able to
sell more medication.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
But and they're moving target.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
I mean, when you can run it one week and
your range will be one thing and the next week
is the range can change overnight, and.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
It's just you know, it's it's what they do.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
And the thing is is also put and I sent
I think I sent you the article on alt ference
and being used to diagnose all these liver problems. And
you take an active dog and a raw fat dog,
all the liver enzymes are going to be high no
matter how you look at it, because they're not doing
an adjustment for the diet. I can remember going back
(15:21):
to this was like in two thousand and one, the
University of Georgia actually published a study raw fed versus
kibble fed dog's with the blood works and it showed
that there's a big of a sizable difference between them,
and of course a lot of it's with those blood values.
And of course I jumped on that, you know my personality,
(15:44):
it's like, oh, if your vet is using this for
diagnostic purposes, did they take into consideration the diet and
make the proper adjustments. And the veterinarians got very, very upset.
One of the makers of one of the prescription diets
became a obsessed with my evaluation and literally bought the
nutrition chair at the University of Georgia and all the
(16:08):
research disappeared overnight, never be found again. It's like, you know,
so you know when we talk about censorship and suppression
and things like that, this is a good example. I
just saw that Mars just purchased a chair I think
it was in the University of Texas basically taking over
(16:29):
their their nutrition department. And you know, is there commitment
to making sure that we can put out the best
prescription type diets in the world. You know, it's it's
smoking mirrors and they've got you know, Mars, Candy's got
the money.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
I mean, let's face it.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
I mean you and I sitting down here, you know,
wondering if we could pay for the next show.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
You know, the the thing going back to the lab
work aspect. You know, one of the biggest puzzes of
decline clinically in the human patient is fear and anxiety.
Whether you find out you have a cancer diagnosis or
you find out, you know, you have some severe illness.
All the neurochemicals in the body that are generated as
(17:16):
a result of that accelerate the illness as well as
you know, accelerate the illness and you know, lead to
them using drugs and medications. Our animals don't have those
egos involved with their illness. So in other words, they're
just like you said, you have a golden retriever puppy
with high liver enzymes, still running around, playing being it's
(17:37):
you know, growing, you know, energetic, engaging, and you know
that should be what matters. But if this particular guardian
and you know, continues to be at a heightened level
of fear and anxiety, our animals as psychic sponges, we
talk about their relationship with the animal with the guardian
as psychic sponges, they're going to end up getting sick
(17:57):
because the guardians are so anxious and fearful and emotionally,
you know, let's say, out of balance. And so we
have to be mindful of that as well, you know,
when it comes to you know, the land value aspect
of things. And of course what happens is is when
these animals, you know, do have high liver enzymes, the
allopaths look at it and they say, oh, your animal
(18:18):
is sick, and what are you doing, and then we
get suppressed or censored or whatever it may be exactly,
and you know, it goes down the hills from there down.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Okay, so we're gonna take a quick break here, and
when we come back, I want to expand on that
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Speaker 2 (18:35):
We'll be right back.
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Speaker 3 (20:57):
Welcome back to the Pet Health Cafe, the show where
your petitive voice. This is build a Pet Health Guru
along with my special guests, doctor Michael dimm And we're
talking about censorship and UH truth suppression, UH even misinformation
directive misinformation when it comes to your pets health, primarily
(21:19):
for the sake of a sale money. It's you know,
I described that one where we're doing blood tests every
single day, and as as you know, I said, I
know anybody that's worked in the clinical part of animal health,
taking and drawing a blood sample is not easy. They're
(21:41):
not really cooperative to start with. The fact of the
matter is, unless you're dealing with a giant breed of dog,
you can't find most of the blood vessels. So you're
sticking in the needle land, working it around until you
find something that starts bleeding to get some blood. The
sample is tainted because it's damaged hemololus as factors are
going to be changing their blood chemistry. The animals already
(22:04):
in fight or flight, the alt is going to be
elevated because the trauma is poor animals going through.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
You know, how can you get an accurate, any kind
of accurate measurement?
Speaker 5 (22:17):
Really, yeah, exactly, I've always said that for decades. Regarding
another aspect of that is when my colleagues attempt to
measure the blood pressure of a dog or a cat
in the clinic and then diagnose high blood pressure and
put them on very strong suppressive medications. And you know,
how can you get an accurate reading when you have
an animal that's beyond stress, Like you're saying.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
It's you know, it's nuts, you know.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
I mean, I use those reference numbers and that sort
of thing a lot to my own advantage when I'm
explaining things. It's like, you know, when I get a
diabetic animal in especially, it's like, you know, depending on
the lab and you know the way they're rating things.
The old range used to be that if you were
if the blood sugar was under ninety, you were fine
(23:04):
at eighty nine, so you were completely healthy at it
hit ninety, you have to be an insulin for the
rest of your life. And I said, listen, I don't
know what your what your blood sugar is, but I'm
gonna make you diabetic in two hours time.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Let's go to lunch.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
We're gonna have a couple of martinis, some dessert, and
then we're gonna test your blood again. And you know
your blood sugar is gonna be through the ceiling, isn't
it right?
Speaker 4 (23:26):
Exactly?
Speaker 5 (23:27):
And for the purposes of the show bill, I don't
know how I should have mentioned it here before we
came on without going and saying that they're all bad
or anything like that. But I don't know how we
could talk about a show like this with money and
greed or religious practice of that has no basis of
science or evidence, which is the injection issue. I don't
know how you cannot bring that up in this show.
(23:50):
But that's I understand why we, you know, have to
be very delicate with that sort of thing, because we
don't want to be suppressed.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
That's that's right.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
I mean, I saw one of our favorite celebrity Vents
did a post earlier this week and was talking about
leptos borrosis, and you know that well, you know, you
got to look at the environment and you know, the
the behavior of the animal and this whole big, long thing.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
But at the very end of it, as she's dinnerwing down.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
The focus, it's a lot of you've got to come
and see your veterinarian, have a have a consult with
him so he can guide you. And that's kind of
why I brought it up in the beginning, that you
go to your l path and it just starts doing
things and there is no guideline, There is no path
they don't ask you any kind of questions as to
what kind of family life you're going to have with
(24:42):
the animal. It's gonna be an outdoor dog, an indoor dog,
you know, couch potato active, hunting dog, guard dog, whatever.
So how can you even start to put together a
program and you know, wellness program if you don't have
the information?
Speaker 5 (24:55):
Absolutely I agree, And you're right about the celebrity and
areas that we talked about them all the time, and
those are the ones that seem to have a you
know kind of that that platform where I guess they're
I mean a lot of them, a lot of these
celebrity media you know, social media, you know Internet veterinarians
(25:16):
that are you know, mass mass everywhere. A lot of
them are allopathic in their in their viewpoints at their core.
I've known many of them over the years, a few
of them over the years, and you and I speak
about it all the time, and it's like, you know,
their their beliefs. Even though they might recommend all these
herbs and products and supplements and all of that instead
(25:39):
of drugs, you know, their their views on some of
the things like the injections and and the and and
other aspects of medical workups and care are still very
often will fall under fear based or allopathic. One of
the celebrity that's ill never forget, I, you know, gave
a was giving a talk, was on YouTube and was saying,
if your animal gets a lump, you better make sure
(26:00):
you go in and get it aspirated or removed. And
as you and I talk about all the time when
we deal with those things, that's the last thing we
want to be. You know, that's such a fear based
you know, technique that's used to then manipulate the clients
to again either have mass surgery or or or expensive
workups or chemo or radiation. And you know, in my practice,
(26:23):
I just had a client today. A dog came in,
a large beet dog with a little lump on the
end of its leg, and the veterinarian had aspirated it said, oh,
it's good news, and it's this and it's that, and
you know that's just all fear based practice. So you know,
you and I try to really stick to our guns
when it comes to what a real more empowered, non
(26:43):
fear based approach to healthcare is. And you know, there
there isn't a lot of that out there.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
No, it's funny. I had another client called me this week.
Multiple dog owner tries to do the right thing with
raw feeding was basically and in fact, this client actually
deals in with a lot of elderly people that have
got all kinds of health issues because she's around people
(27:09):
that have taken ten to fifteen different you know, medications
every day and then she tries to convert them to
me to help out.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
But anyway, her.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Dog, one of her dogs, one of roller dogs, has
had tumors for years, and they come and they basically
come and go. And of course that you know, and
the part of this is because she does not follow
mirable programs and detox programs, is you know, as diligently
as she really should. So when she forgets to give
it for a few days and the tumors start to
(27:39):
expand again you have to grow a little bit or
they're more noticeable, it's like panic, panic, panic.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
And she called me.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Up and said, oh, the tumors, it looks like they're
growing again, and my poor dog is suffering so bad.
She's like so miserable. Like if she's miserable and suffering,
it's not from that lump on your back. There's something
else going on that that that that's why the blumps
are there. What did you clean your house with last
week or the they before or whatever, And you know what.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Did they get into?
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Like you said, that dog that picked up a you know,
a uh, how do you wipe or something?
Speaker 2 (28:14):
You know, that stuff can happen in a flesh and
quite often people don't don't even know it. Just like
that mutual client a sago palm seed. How do you
know that it ingested that?
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Did it come out to the other end or did
you just surmise that because they were there somebody told
you that's toxic. So therefore one and one has to
be three.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
Exactly right, Bill, you know, And with the like I said,
with the lumps, the way we look at it holistically
speaking is that again and the oncologists and the conventional thatdinary.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
Community is going to be what are you kidding me?
Speaker 5 (28:49):
Or and clients have been sold brainwashed into the approach
of dealing with lumps. But you know, we look at
it in homeopathy as a strategy of the life force
to push to the outside a whole body tendency, I know.
And of course we can break it down into lymphatics
and toxicity and all that. But it's a strategy of
the energetic, you know, governing body of the of the body.
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And you know, it doesn't matter what the cells under
the microscope say. If you you know it's it's I've
seen dogs for years have these quote unquote mass cell tumors,
which my colleagues are always frightening the clients that you
must take these off. We must get rid of them.
We have to do chemo if we don't get wide margins.
(29:33):
And I have clients that for years have these allopathically
diagnosed mass cell tumors advanced grade that just sit there
and do nothing. And the more they're attacked with drugs
and medicines and surgery, the more they get more aggressive.
Then the more you and I preach what I just said,
the more rare attacked.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
And of course with the approaches that we take with
food and herbals and homeopathy and energy, tumors disappear magically.
It's just it's just you know, And when they do
go back to their allopathic vet, you're like, I don't
know what you did, but whatever you're doing, just keep
(30:13):
it up. I don't but don't tell me don't tell
me what it is, because then you might try to
change my belief system and I can't do that because
I'm a I'm a doctor.
Speaker 5 (30:23):
Right right, Yeah, No, it's really and uh, you know
there's the the establishment, you know again has has a good,
good old boy and girls club where if you stray
outside of those standards, you know, what they consider the
standard of care. You know, they're going to go out
of the way to go after you get reported to
(30:44):
the vet board if you're not practicing quote unquote a
standard of medicine that is considered allopathically appropriate. And you know,
a lot of my colleagues, you know, I mean, it
hasn't happened to me. I mean maybe once I've had
a query of it. But ven or boards will come
after veterinarians for holistic veterinarians for you know, not doing
(31:05):
an approach an allopathic work and an allopathic treatment plan
on an animal. And some of my colleagues have left
the profession and actually become consultants like you you know,
and you know, and they no longer they don't keep
up their veterinary degrees because they don't want any part
of that politics and greed and money that you know,
runs so much of this profession on so many levels.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
It's it's gotta be tough, and I mean, you know,
and I've kind of mentored and guided some of my
younger team members and that sort of thing because they
wanted to.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
You know, a lot of them want to get.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Into medicine, so they're dealing with you know, they're helping animals,
but in reality, you're actually doing very little with the
animal itself and even in many cases helping it. Basically
you're dealing with owners and medications that try to cover
up what's going on. It's you know, I advise them.
(32:04):
You know, you want to help the animal become a groomer,
become a trainer, you know, a nutritional consult and things
of this nature, because this is this is where you're
really going to help. I mean, you and I do
this every day. It's part of our life, and you
know we can see and we see the results. I mean,
you know, a lot of veterinarians are only seeing five
(32:25):
to ten clients a day. I might get fifty people,
one hundred people through my front door on any given day,
and you know, you all have the same questions and
you know, unfortunately I don't have time to consult individually
with Also, I just make sure that when I'm explaining
to one client, that raise my voice so everybody can
hear me.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
And with that being said, we'll be right back after
this break.
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Speaker 3 (34:29):
And welcome back to the Pet Health Cafe to show
where you are pet as a voice.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
This is Bill with Pet Health Guru.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
And my special guest, doctor Michael dem And we're talking
about the suppression of truth and censorship and all that stuff.
A couple of things that I wanted to throw in
and I know when we get going the shows go
by so fast. But the influence of paid celebrities and
paid influencers, especially in the food areas, but we're seeing
(34:56):
it more and more on uh, inventive drugs as well.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
That's not even honest, is it.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
No?
Speaker 5 (35:06):
I don't know, it's just it's it's it's profit driven,
you know, It's just can't be honest when money starts
to be the main the main focus of it, Bill,
you know, and you know, I know I wanted to
just jump in on there is that. You know, basically,
if you're going to summarize like just in general, you know,
(35:26):
our whole philosophy, whether it's homeopathy, RBS. Who I think
it's a less is more and so the more fancy
we get with drugs, medicines, you know, polypharmacy, herbal not herbals,
but polypharmacy supplements like we talk about. You know, that's
not the key to good health. It doesn't really you
don't have to come up with every little thing to
(35:49):
try and you know, and you know, force the body
into better health. That a client come in today, you know,
I sent your direction for food and she says, well,
does he have anything as a binder? And I said, well,
something as simple as spiderlin or in chlorella. I mean
those are you know. She wanted something like some magic
you know, yeah, supplement that's gonna act as an herb
(36:10):
as a binder to Boxin's, and you know, I said,
it's just it's very simple most of the time. And
you know, and a lot of our holistic you know,
celebrity you know, colleagues, you know, they feel they have
to you know, have a whole product line of this,
that and the other thing, and you know it's often
not necessary. And then of course, you know, you get
censored or or or suppressed when we don't go along
(36:32):
with those philosophies.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
And you know the other thing is is, you know
a lot of natural products, especially herbs and botanicals. You know,
we hear a lot about well, and it's actually true
with in homeopathy that it wasn't homeopathic medicine, it wasn't
herbal medicine, it wasn't food medicine. It was just homeopathics,
(36:56):
it was just herbs, it was just food.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
And the metal part.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
Of that was added so that there could be suppression
of this stuff that it's not a proper it's not
the it's not the mainstream way of treating disease, if
you will. And as you and I discussed on this
show many many times, the majority of the problems that
we see and that we hear about are not diseases.
They're actually nothing more than a single event. Pancreatitzes is
(37:23):
a good example. Why is a pancreas getting inflamed, you know,
irritable bowel? Why are you irritating the bowel? I mean,
you know you have to if you just put a
little bit of common sense with that, the answer is
right in front of you. And you know when we
look at you know, pharmaceuticals that IBD that ibs okay,
(37:45):
in reality, is actually getting worse, more irritated. But if
I give you a drug that suppresses the feeling of it,
and that's what drugs, most drugs do, is they're suppressing
the feelings, it's just running rampant, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (37:59):
Yeah, yeah, it's out of control because like you said,
the drugs are just suppressing a pull, a small expression
of it. Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
And you know you mentioned it on the show a
couple of weeks ago that it doesn't matter what the
doctor does, what you prescribe, or what procedure you do,
chances are the body's going to heal itself anyway, because
that's what it's designed to do.
Speaker 5 (38:22):
Like I said, the first thing they taught us in
ved school, they said to us when we got in
the first day they had the orientation was you know,
eighty percent of the animal is probably higher get better,
no matter what we do. And you know, it's like
because there's a wisdom there. And but if we come
at them as we've been doing now in conventional vet care,
I mean, because the onslaught is just it's just growing
(38:44):
and expanding, whether it's polypharmacy, herbal herbal polypharmacy, pesticide preventatives,
or wormings, or you know, increasing numbers of injections at
more frequencies, higher frequencies. I mean, you know, it's just
just there's no end in sight. And you know we
(39:04):
have to remain strong Bill and and speak our truth
and not give a political answer.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
That's what I think is important.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
Well, the other thing is, you know, is the false
and misleading information that's given. For instance, you know, most
of the heartworm products and flee and tick products are
being sold as a prevention, and yet on the box itself,
on the container, on the insert, it clearly states this
(39:35):
is not a preventative. Now, I don't know about you,
but I don't like beings lie to that blatant.
Speaker 4 (39:42):
Absolutely. That's a great example.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
You know, if you said I've used this and I
didn't have a problem, that's one thing. But you know,
you don't know that, you know, there's no proof that
it prevents it anything.
Speaker 6 (39:52):
Now.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
I know that we had a couple of comments come
up there in the chat we didn't address at the moment,
and you know, as we look at it. Our time
goes by a lot. Okay, so Karen hasn't had any
blood work done. That's good thing, I guess, you know,
to be honest, either have I in like thirty five years,
forty years? So I'm in that ballpark two so and
(40:18):
you know I get a cue sometimes that well.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Don't you want to know what you have? Well, if
I'm sick, I know it.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
And I know enough about my body that if I
need a specialist, somebody that I can rely, and I'm
gonna find a person that really knows about it and
knows the whole body. A heart specialist doesn't know about
the body. And I don't know what the last comment was.
Let's see if you'll pull that back one last one
up again? Uh ah, thank you, Yes, it's uh doctor
(40:47):
dim And I think you are on a mission if
you will.
Speaker 5 (40:51):
For a long time, you know, and uh, you know
the the idea about like censorship bill and again I'll
just mentioned it briefly, is you know the idea of
these of the injections and how often they're given for
preventing disease, and you know, their own science and their
own evidence says that those injections last much much longer
(41:13):
in the body, and yet my colleagues still insist on
giving those injections every year, every three years, and it's
just it's so luterated. It has no basis in any
sort of evidence based medicine using their own arguments. And so,
you know, if we come along and we try to
do it differently and we don't follow their standard, which
(41:34):
has no science to it, you know, we're suppressed, we're squashed,
we're bastardized. And then it just goes on and on
and on, and it's all governed by just you know,
monetary you know gain, and to be fair, there's this
fear and there's a religious dogmatic aspect to a lot
of the practices that we do in conventional vet care.
(41:56):
I had a dog I think you saw it. I
posted the case on social media. Sixteen year old dog
went in because one of its lumps that it had
for you know, six for years to started bleeding. So
the client was concerned and wanted it removed or treated.
And because it was bleeding, the doll was licking.
Speaker 4 (42:13):
Biting at it.
Speaker 5 (42:14):
They had a collar on it, and it went in
and it got injections and wormings and you know, testing
and X rays and the work up before the surgery
was like twelve thirteen hundred dollars just for me, you know,
to check out a little lump that was just bleeding,
and so you could see the what drove that. You know,
(42:35):
what drives the veterinary business often the veentary practice, and
it's hardly the care of the patients. I've worked in
conventional VET clinics and now they're driven by you know,
what can you generate income wise? That's how you get paid,
and you know, and that leads to medical choices you make,
whether it's good for the animal or not. It's just
(42:56):
so tragic.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
Yeah, well too, And you know we're looking at two
and lumps and bumps. That's the body, as you noted
earlier in the show, that's the body trying to get
rid of stuff. Well, eventually those lumps and bumps have
to basically burst open like a pimple so that they're
toxin and those dead cells and those disease cells can
(43:17):
escape the body, and then the body.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
Closes up that wound and it heals naturally, doesn't.
Speaker 5 (43:22):
It absolutely does. Yeah, Yeah, that's all. And I tell
clients that, I mean, I tell them when we whether
when we're doing something as simple as doing a raw diet.
I said, you know, they're so afraid what happens if
he gets diarrhea. I said, Rob, that's what we want.
We want some discharge. We want that year to push out.
We don't want the animal to be uncomfortable or miserable
(43:42):
or severely dehydrated. But at the same time, that's part
of part of the way the body deals with living
in a toxic world and coming from a toxic history.
Speaker 3 (43:53):
Yeah, it's funny because you know, most people, and I
tell people all the time, okay, diarrhea especially, Okay, every
day you go to the bathroom yourself is a new experience,
and it's like you have to relieve yourself. Once you're relieved,
you feel a lot better. No matter how it is,
it's an instant cure. And you know, you're so worried
about the dog suffering. I was not even thinking about it.
(44:14):
It's like, Okay, where's the spot, let me go, And
that's the end of that.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
You know, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
It's soft hard, They don't they don't even look at it.
So I did they even know. Okay, we're uppy, Yes,
we're purjaying exactly. So, doctor Dem, how can people reach you?
We're at the end of our our show again is always.
Speaker 5 (44:32):
They can go to my website which is doctor dim
dot com, d O C T O R D y
M dot com that has my contact information, my email address,
and more information on my philosophy and practice and practice yep.
Speaker 3 (44:46):
And of course made like I said, I'm a pet
health cafe and my Palaeo pat biocomplete and again shareless
like it when you see as commenting on social media,
go ahead and like that stuff is well, So we
get these algorithms up and that's what helps keep us
here in front of you and breading the good words.
With that being said, good night everyone, thank you for watching,
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and keep sharing a bie, have a great week.
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