Musician & Entrepreneur: Do This So You Don't Have to be a Starving Artist [Courageously Speaking]

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Some say time is the great equalizer. Warren Buffett one set,
It doesn't matter who you are, you all have twenty
four hours in a date. But the truth is how
you spend those twenty four hours is what separates those
who dream from those who do. On this episode of
Courageously Speaking, the podcast where we hold courageous conversations with
people who have made bold decisions that change the course

(00:23):
of their lives, and it doing so challenge the way
we think about success. Love at the precious time we've
been given.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
But you have to have in order to be a
professional musician versus being a good musician. You have to
I think, to be honest with you, you're playing is
maybe only twenty thirty percent of it at the most.
I think the rest of it is all your business
acumen and how you present yourself and you know, getting
yourself out there doing stuff like this.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
And that's why it's called show business. It didn't just
say show only. It's show business, not the business. There's
no show.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
Yeah. The way that we used to say in Nashville
is that it's the music, which is only like this
much of it business. You know, the business is much larger.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
Cos our special guest for Today has spent his hours
building a career that's as inspiring as it is accomplished.
Patrick Worley is an award winning multifaceted musician, a performer,
a composer, a teacher, and a songwriter. He earned a
music scholarship to study classical guitar with no prior formal
training on the instrument, and went on to learn from

(01:25):
world class faculty at the Juilliard School, Peabody Conservatory, and
Cleveland Institute of Music. Taken him from Nashville music scene,

(02:08):
where he spent a decade performing and recording alongside some
of the industry's great artists, to stay just across the
US and around the world supporting rock, country, and pop acts.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
Don't really have bands anymore, you know. It's not like
if you go back to classic rock days and you
would have maybe led Zeppelin, Yeah, the Beatles. That's an
actual band that doesn't really happen anymore. Even the bands
that you've see now. So a band like say One
Republic or I don't know if they do it this way,
but like imagine Dragons or in country music maybe like

(02:39):
the Zach Brown band or anybody like that. It's really
just the person that writes the songs, that has the contract,
and everybody else is a hired backing musician.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
Degrees in music business, guitar performance in a master's in
Music Education from the University of Nevada, Las Vegas, where
he graduated magnic laude. He's also served as faculty at
both You and OV at Dixie State University. Today as
founder of Music Lessons Las Vegas and Lessonslos Vegus dot com.
If you or someone you know is a professional musician.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
You'll understand that the time in between jobs can be
the hardest.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
But there is a local business that.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
Has you're back. Created by a fellow industry professional, Music
Lessons Las Vegas helps musicians build a real business teaching
on us and the companies founder Patrick Wooley joined us.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
Patrick Blent is classical training with the energy of popular music,
inspiring students at guitar, piano, bass, banjo and man's lynn
and proving that what you do with your minutes matters
more than how many you have. That's where our story
begins and we hope that you can learn more about
your relationship with time with Patrick Burley Today. Welcome to

(03:49):
Courageously Speaking Patrick, thank you.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
I'm so happy to be here. Thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
Yes, you, we're excited. We've been trying to do this
for a while.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
Yeah, I'm glad we finally made it happen. You know,
I know you're busy and I got a few things
going on, so you know, no rush to get it
in when we can.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
Yeah, well, Patrick, let's take you back to Nashville. Okay,
it's a city of opportunities for aspiring and talented musicians alike.
What was it like being in Nashville and what made
you come back?

Speaker 2 (04:16):
Yeah, I know that I'm out of Nashville. The way
that I pitched it is, I miss Nashville. It's a
good town. I don't miss being a musician there. To
be honest with you, I think it's I think it's
kind of like trying to be an actor in La.
It's difficult. Everybody there is really great, and it's just
really hard to get any kind of traction there in
which you want to do. Even most people don't know this,
but even Jimmy Hendrick spinnistant there and left because the

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competition was too stiff. And that's that's actually when he
moved to Seattle after so you know, that's kind of
the tale of the tape and the way it goes
in music. So but I'm happy to give you my
personal you know background, Yes, you know, for you yourself
and the listeners here. Yes, we'd love to learn more,
all right, sure, sure, So just a quick introduction then.

(04:58):
So I I have really always been a classical musician. Basically,
I got into classical guitar about a year after I
started playing music, and I really was just completely obsessed
with it. That was my sophomore year in high school.
Didn't go out very much in high school. I kind
of just stayed to stayed to keep working on that
and put my nose to the grimestone. And what I

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ended up doing was studying that in college. I went
to Middle Tennessee State University, which is right outside of Nashville, Tennessee,
and I ended up with two undergraduate degrees there. I
ended up with a music performance degree, so that's classical
guitar and a music business degree too. Started. Yeah, I
started out with music business. My folks were helping me
out like most people, and as is kind of the

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way that it goes with that, my folks said, if
you just do music well, this own you. Basically, that's
a joke. That's a joke Mom and Dad, you know,
but yeah, I know, yeah, but I think that musicians
like that's something like that kind of happens with a
lot of them, you know. So our compromise was, you know,
I would go study music business, actually, and I started

(06:04):
my first year in college just doing that. But I
wasn't as passionate about that as I was with guitar.
I was still playing all the time and things like that.
So that's when I auditioned, and that's actually when I
got a part of my schooling funded through a scholarship
at So yeah, it worked out that way, you know
what I mean. Sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes schools don't have
it available when you go to audition, but they did,

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and so that helped a lot. So I went through school,
I got both of those degrees, and during that time,
the only thing I played was classical music, just classical guitar,
that's it. But due to the proximity of where I
was to Nashville, you know, after I finished, and actually
a little bit before then, I really started working a lot.

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Before I finished my my degrees, maybe a year and
a half or so, before that, I started supporting rock
and country artists in Nashville and working in the studios
and things like that, supporting me, Yeah, as a backing
music So this is just another thing maybe for your viewers,
you know. But you don't really have bands anymore, you know.
It's not like if you go back to classic rock

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days and you would have maybe led Zeppelin, the Beatles.
That's an actual band that doesn't really happen anymore, even
the bands that you've see now. So a band like
say One Republic or I don't know if they do
it this way, but like imagine Dragons or in country
music maybe like the Zach Brown Band or anybody like that.
It's really just the person that writes the songs that

(07:30):
has the contract, and everybody else is a hired backing
musician as Yeah, it's just if you don't know the
creative interest in what you do. I think we'll probably
talk about that.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
Why it had to interesting that, yes?

Speaker 2 (07:41):
Is that?

Speaker 1 (07:41):
Why that a lot of the artists that actually write
their own music are the ones who stay longer in
the industry as opposed to the ones that you can
be hot right now right there are certain arts are
hot right now or bands, and then they don't write
their own music, you don't hear from them after a while.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
I would say that's a major contributing factor to it.
And the reason for that, just in a quick nutshell,
is because if you write your own music, you have
money coming in from music publishing. Okay, so you have
another income stream that you don't have if you are
just an artist that sings other people's songs and other
things like that. Those people really bleed money. They they're

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paying for their band, they're paying for their agent, they're
paying for their management, they're paying everybody. And so you know,
you get a lot of people that wrote songs for
other people, like Chris Stapleton, for example, in country music.
Chris Stapleton has maybe twenty or thirty hits that he's
written for other people, arranging from like Josh Turner to
all kinds of people, and he was able to reinvest

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that back into his own career.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
So it makes sense to if you can write, that's
a good.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
Way you gotta hang on to your music publishing. Yeah,
for sure. Now I don't know how it's gonna change
with like the advent of AI and things like that,
but yeah, at least when I was active in Nashville,
which is like a it's like it's only like thirteen
years ago now, But when I was active in Nashville
fields like ages ago.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
Now.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
You know, things move so fast. So so that's what
I mean by a vacuum musician. Though I don't write
my own songs or anything like that. It's not my forte.
I I'm just a player, you know. I like I
like to play. I like to play a lot of difference.
But we need you, yeah, well they needed they needed.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
Me, Like I'm a singer. I could play, but I'm
not as good as you, so I would need your support.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
Yeah, I'm an artist. Well, and a lot of the
people that supported those artists are classically or jazz trained. Really,
they just they just did country music at the time,
because that's that's what paid.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
You know.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
It's just there's just not a lot of money and
the other stuff you know, there just isn't if you
just are trying to make it as a performer with it.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
This is so good to know because a lot of
our viewers the name of art is courageously speak as
other courage creatives. A lot of people who are watching
her show are creatives. A lot of them wanted to
be artists, like musicians and painters and all that. You know,
anything in the arts is so refreshing to hear, kind
of like the business side of it, and it feels

(10:03):
like it's paying dividends that you took some yeah, some
of those classes in business. Because we're hearing from you.
It's not just enough to have the passion and music.
You gotta be strategic about.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
It, right, Yeah, you have to. The way that I
say is like going back to the creative interest thing.
I'm not saying you have to do it in writing
or anything like that, but if you if you want
to be successful, you have to own something in the
music business. If you don't, you're really just a bit
player and you can be fired for anything.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
Oh so it's kind of like you're an employee.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
Yeah, that's exactly right me. Yeah. And actually, on that
on that note, a lot of the way that a
lot of artists do it is they actually salary their
band too, so they don't pay them for show or anything.
They might pay them, you know, sixty to eighty thousand
dollars a year just to go play play music for
him with it.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
This is very interesting.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
So that's what I did anyway for a decade. Back
back to that, I do, I think we'll be talking
about that stuff because I think it'll be good for
the viewership here, you know the things. But just to
finish up my background with it, that's what I did
for ten years. After doing that, I started to play
a bunch of other instruments at that time, got out
of just playing classical music because I saw that you
were a lot more valuable the more skills you had

(11:12):
and the more instruments you could play. So I started
working a lot. Is what's called the utility man. And
so if you ever go to a show and you
see somebody switching off between instruments, that's like, that's what
I did a lot, you know what I mean. I
would be like on piano for one song and guitar
for another, and mandolin for another one and banjo for
another one.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
When I was like reading your bio, he plays all
of these instruments.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's some some you know, there's some
media out there on my on my socials that you
know you can see me playing, Like I just recorded
a banjo track in Texas actually, and I put the
video up for that one too, so cool. Yeah, So
after doing that for ten years, it's it's just too difficult,
and honestly, like again, I'm a classical musician that was

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playing other stuff. So I decided to move on with it.
And what I ended up doing was I did around
for a graduate school. That was kind of my way out.
It was in my late twenties, so it was still
a good time to do that. I think it was
twenty nine when I did that, and I auditioned a
bunch of schools, and when I auditioned at UNLV at
the time, the way that the guitar program worked there

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is that they didn't have a graduate assistant ship if you.
They happened to have like an adjunct position there. So
it was actually at university faculty as correct. Well that's
the way it usually works, yeah, but this is actually
like it was actually legitimate adjunct faculty. Like on my
on my student id actually on my university idea, it
says students slash faculty instead of because the way that

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it worked at that time was that they didn't have
a graduate assistant ship, you they just they kind of
had other people to teach. The overflow for it, and
so I actually fell into that at my audition at
UNLV too, and so I taught some people as adjunct
faculty at UNLV, and that that's really what pumped the
move out this way. Maybe many other things that fell

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into place, but when I got that, I knew what
I could do with that title, to build like a
private studio and to get my name around and things
like that. And to be honest with you, this is
the business background. I knew that I could use that
much more, much more valuably than like getting a graduate
assistant ship would be. And so that's what really prompted
the move out this way. And to be honest with you,

(13:22):
I haven't looked back. You know. Now I have a
bunch of students, and I play weddings and corporate events
here in town in Las Vegas, and I have some
other entrepreneurial endeavors. You know that I do. That we're
going to be discussing here too.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
I'm just interested to know how did you not really
like the passion part of like music, the art that
you would want to go to entrepreneurship or you are
more just inclined to be an entrepreneur.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
I think it's more to be honest with you. For me,
I think it's more that I was just committed to
doing music for a job. And actually, the way that
I've always looked at it is that I've known basically
since I picked up a guitar as a freshman in
high school when I was almost fifteen years old, that
I knew I wanted to do music. I didn't exactly
know how it was going to work out, but I
knew I was committed to doing it and to making

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a living doing it. And I think through the years
and kind of honing it, I found out what I
was good at and what I wasn't good at. Like
we talked about songwriting and stuff like that, I'm not
a writer. It's not my thing. You know. I have
a very hard time from the inception point with stuff.
You know, I'm much more of an analytical mind versus
a creative mind.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
That is interesting, Yeah, that is very interesting.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
That's my personal thing. Way that I look at it
is just I look at it like I was just
so committed to doing music. I was committed to doing
whatever to do music for a job.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
So you just know yourself, so you're very self aware.
It seems like this you were a child. You were
self aware that I better have something to compromise to
just in case my parents won't like that I'm just
doing well.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
I think that was more out of necessity than anything.
We were good, to be honest with you if at
the time, because I don't know if anybody really think
about it when they're when they're that young. At the time,
I really wanted to go to a conservatory to study music,
and I'm really glad I didn't do that. I know
a lot of people at my age now that have
finished a doctorate in the past four or five years
that are two hundred thousand dollars in debt from it,

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and they're never going to get out of that with
with you know, with it too. They're just there's another
skill that you have to have in order to be
a professional musician versus being a good musician. You have
to you have to I think, to be honest with you,
You're playing is maybe only twenty thirty percent of it
at the most. I think the rest of it is
all your business acumen and how you present yourself and

(15:36):
you know, getting yourself out there doing stuff like this, and.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
That's why it's called show business. It didn't just say
show only. It's show business, not the business. There's no show. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
The way that we used to say in Nashville is
that it's the music, which is only like this much
of it business. You know, the business is much larger
component of it creative.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
So you got to listen to this. That is a
lot of business. And that's I think sometimes and creatives
feel like, I don't want to do this anymore. I
have this romantic idea of being an artist, and then
now I have to do business. I don't want this anymore,
and then they give up on their dream being in music.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
Well, the best way I'll kind of I'll go back
to Nashville and use an analogy that I did.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
So.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
I played with a lot of the songwriters in Nashville.
I've actually taught several people that have written really big
hits before, and I believe it was one of them.
It might have been somebody else that I was playing
for at the time. I'm not exactly sure who said it,
but the way that they put it really drove it home.
He said something to this extent. There's a lot of
people that say they want to write a hit song,

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when what they mean is they want to have written
a hit song. In other words, there's a big difference
in putting in all the work to getting yourself to
there versus having it done with it. That's the way
that I interpret it is that they want the end
result of being like the artist, the romantic idea, without
seeing all the other stuff that into it. You know,

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and you got to do a lot of stuff that
you don't want to do if you want to be
successful with it, you have to make up your mind
about which one you want.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
I like that a lot, because a lot of us artists,
we are so passionate, but when we start doing things,
maybe repeatedly, I don't want to do that. Why do
I have to practice every day? And that's a necessary evil?

Speaker 2 (17:20):
Yeah, yeah, and again the practicing me being a classical user,
and I think the practicing is the easy part. I
think a lot of these people really like to practice too.
They might not like all the stuff that they have
to do with the practicing with it, like all the
studies and stuff like that that they have to do,
but then again, that's only twenty or thirty percent of it,
in my opinion. You know. The other stuff is learning, marketing,

(17:41):
how do you present yourself, you know, learning like numbers
and being able to think about what gets you an
instant return versus is it better to wait and to
do it this way, being able to break even analysis
and business plans and things like that for it. That's
that's the stuff that I think it's a lot of
creative types is they don't want to sit there and
crunch the number and write a business plan or anything

(18:03):
to do that for now, and then they run into
the issue about how do they how do they afford that?
You know, that's that's because it's expensive. Yeah, it's all
that stuff is expensive to do. So you and an
analogy to what I already said with the Chris Stapleton
thing where he was able to reinvest into himself, I
think you need to set up your career where you're
able to reinvest back into that and continue to scale

(18:24):
yourself and your ideas as if to continue to scale
yourself as if you're a business, because you are the product.
If you're if you're in.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
This is such an interesting conversation. I think a lot
of people, especially creatives, would benefit from this kind of thinking.
And there's a mindset shift from just doing the music
pure art. Yeah, and then the part that they have
to do business, and that's it takes a lot of time, right,

(18:50):
it does.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
It takes a lot of time, and again it's it's
kind of a grind and I think kind of just
going going back to that, you know, that's that's I
think the music part of the fun part out of
everything with it. You know, the other stuff is the
hard stuff that you got to do, doing the stuff
that you don't really want to do. But you have
to weigh out, you know, do you really want to
be a professional artist or a professional musician with it,

(19:13):
because it's going to require you doing a lot of
things that aren't a lot of fun in order to
attain that gook is that one?

Speaker 1 (19:19):
I think it's a hobby. Hobby pays you a little
if you want to do it as a profession. That's
the one that has an ROI, a return and investment, right,
But when you ask for an ROI, you need to
invest on it your time, money, effort, creativity, everything that
sometimes people don't want to do. And I think it's

(19:43):
really time for me, Like I am an artist to you,
but I do it. On this side, I feel like
there's not enough hours in a day. Warren Buffett said,
there's only twenty four hours in a day, and I
want to know, and I'm sure the viewers would like
to know what is your relationship with time and what
can you share with their viewers so that they can
learn from it because there's a lot of work.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
Well it is Warren Buffett is correct with that, but
you can also flip the perspective on that and look
at yeah, well there's only twenty four hours in a day.
You've got everything that everybody else has with it to
everything that everybody else has, except in extremely rare cases,
you know, where you're born one way, or you get
into an accident or something like that, you can still

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make it with whatever you've got. Circumstances might dictate that
it's harder for you, depending on the way that you
grew up and where you are financially and things like that,
but you can still do it. And there's been plenty
of people that have done it regardless of what their
past is with it. So the way that I look
at that more is, while there are only twenty four
hours in a day, you have everything that whoever it
is that you idolize has, You know, ranging from Warren

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Buffett to you know, George Washington to if you're a
religious you know, person like Jesus Christ. You know what
I mean, It depends on what you do with that
time is really what it is.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
I think also maybe to put into perspective what is
important for you, I think for me, some people maybe
prefer that they do more of the things that they love,
and some people prefer to do like more work. So
it's like it's a constant battle between do I rest enough,
do I do a lot of my hobbies, or do

(21:22):
I work? How do you like reconcile that, like how
how do you have a percentage or maybe tools that
you used to do your time management? Do you like
eighty percent work, ten percent happiness or like you know
all that.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
Well, that's a really individualized question, you know what I mean.
Like for me, like with some of the other projects
that I'm trying to do right now, because I have
another business that I'm trying to launch right now. So
that's really between teaching a full studio, which for me,
by the way, guys, a full studio for me is
one hundred students. That's fifty hours a week.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
You know, and I have other teachers, who's.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
Just not that's just me. That's that's me teaching. I
teach at a full studio. I've about ninety right now,
but me at capacity is one hundred students. So I
teach fifty hours a week, and then I do other
stuff with music and business about ten to twenty hours
out of the week with it.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
That's a lot of work.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
It is, so it is, But I know where it's
going to pay off once it's Once it's done, you know,
I know what. I know what's on the other side
of that. Once you have it all established and once
you're able to do it, there's all kinds of freedom
and ability to reinvest into yourself as an artist and
things like that. And I've already started to do some
of that. But like again, you're asking a really personalized

(22:37):
question there. I can just tell you what.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
Works for me, yes, and I would like to share
with them because perhaps somebody thinks the same way as Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
Sure, So you know I don't I don't take days off, Okay,
So I work. I work every day, seven days a week.
I do something seven days a week. On Sundays, it's
a little bit lighter to kind of keep myself, you know,
like in check it's only like maybe two hours of
work or so.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
Thank you for coming here. Yeah it seems like yeah, no.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
Actually this happened to work out great. I have, like
I have like a span of like two and a
half three hours right now, which is like this is perfect.
We can come out here and do it, knock it out,
and I'm happy to do it. Maria. Of course, like
like I said, we've been trying to do it for
a while, so so I don't take days off. But
what I do instead is I recharge about every two
to four months. I just take a break for one

(23:24):
or one to two weeks and go somewhere and kind
of relax with that too. And that actually kind of
helps me out with another artistic project that I'm doing,
because I have a travel video project that I'm doing
right I like, so yeah, I kind of go and
I you know, shoot some footage and it has to
do with music and playing music that's related to the location.
And right now I'm just laying the groundwork for it,

(23:45):
but it's going to turn into a bunch of like
full travel videos. So my way of doing it is
that you know, I think you need to kind of
weigh out on a personal level where you can still
be the best and get the most results from your work,
but not burn out with it.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
And that just how are you not burning out when
you're working seven days a week? So you were saying, like,
you take some time off like two months for example,
in a year, and is that enough to recharge for you?

Speaker 2 (24:14):
I find it is. You know, no, I don't know
if I'll be able to do that forever, but I
know I'm not going to have to like here in
a few years once I have these other things established
with it. I've built a business for myself before I
know what to do with it. I know it takes time,
you know. I know it's you just keep taking shots
and you keep figuring it out until you've got it
all the way done. And then, to be honest with you,
once you've built a business like that, it kind of

(24:35):
starts to run itself, you know. Like me with my
client tele for my teaching studio. My name is out
there in a lot of ways, but I also have
like a bunch of.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
I have it.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
I have a bunch of people that you know, refer
me now because my name is out there in a
bunch of ways, and I've always tried to do a
good job with it.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
So I think that it's all about strategy and knowing yourself.
This the seven days a week work week right may
not work for somebody, but because if you know yourself,
you can tweak it a little bit. Because me, I'm
more of a Monday to Saturday, but I take CSS,
so I need like at noon, I better watch my

(25:13):
drama eating and Stories Maria, you know, I go. So
I really think that there's no one size fits all
kind of way to manage your time, but it has
to be rooted in your own strengths and weaknesses. Like
for me, for example, if I stop for a whole

(25:36):
two months, my brain will be a little rusty and
I might not be as good in what I'm doing,
so I can't. However, the Monday to Saturday works with me,
and we're in Saturday is the lighter day where and
I can do fun things, you know, So it doesn't
have to look like everyone's to be successful, you got
to know yourself.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
Yeah yeah, and you gotta just keep your eyes on
the prize for lack of a better che term, but
you need to kind of temper that to your own
individual I think best way to progress, right.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
Yes, And I think that it's very interesting when you
said that it's going to pay off one day. I
really believe that sometimes we just want to be able
to relax now and we're borrowing from our future selves, right,
Because if you think of it, if you're strategic, you're
more energetic. As a younger person, you have more like

(26:31):
I remember when I was in my twenties, I don't
have to sleep as much and I'll be okay in
the morning. I can't do that anymore, you know, But
when you are a little older, would be in your
your fifties and sixties and seventies, you would want to
relax more. So why don't you help your future self
prepare for that kind of lifestyle and not like oh,

(26:52):
because I think people think that work life balance is
all the variables are the same every stage of your life.
It's not the same. Your energy will be less when
you're older, but you're gonna be wiser. So maybe it's
the time wherein you get to write, you got to talk,
you know, things like that. So you do more work

(27:13):
now so that in the future you know your limitations.
You work on your strengths, which is your wisdom.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
Yeah, yeah, that is one way to look at it
too personally. Just on that too. I actually have a
lot of like big goals that I want to do
with music, and everything that I'm doing kind of lays
into a grander plan with music to kind of help
out musicians. You know, I know how to live well
as a musician. It's something not many people know how
to do, so a lot of what I'm doing now

(27:40):
is kind of geared towards giving musicians the opportunity to
do that. Another way that I pitch that is it's
almost like I'm starting to pivot from teaching music so
much into teaching musicians how to be professional musicians with
it and coaching.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
And that's in need. We were just talking about it earlier.
I wish that more artists know the business site, but
they had to go they have to go to school
for it, or maybe they have to read about it.
And if you're so like you know, I just want
to play music, you don't have time. It doesn't mean
I'm making excuses. I'm just saying that they kind of

(28:13):
know themselves. They just want to play and maybe if
they have support of some sort that's what most artists need,
and I wish that more people do that. And we
can't wait for this business.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
Yeah and moves fast.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
Can you share the name if it's already available or yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
Well so I have two projects that I'm really working
on right now. I am. I have a lessons website
that I've been pushing for a long time. So I
built my own studio two hundred people. Like I've said before,
the way, the big way that I did that is
through search engine optimization. So in other words, if you
pull out your phone SEO, yeah, and you look for
any kind of combination of music lessons Las Vegas. If

(28:51):
you do that, it's going to be the very first
thing that you see. It's going to be tried it
yelp and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah, he's good. And
see I got the vouch for you.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
I said, like, let's see if he's the truth. I
tried it last night this morning. I see you.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
Yeah, it's depending on what you put in there, it'll
be the very first thing you see. But it ranks
for almost everything with it too. So I really launched
that right before COVID hit and that kind of put
a damper on it and then when I went to
go relaunch it, there were maybe six things that I
had to go back and redo on it. So I
fully relaunched it in May of last year, and this
is middle of August now, so it's been fifteen months

(29:26):
with that. It's been used about four hundred times by
the public here, so that's almost one once per day
that somebody's used it to reach out to like a
teacher musician for lessons with it. So that's only going
up with it. So I'm still that being said, even
with that, you know, I'm still turning that into a
solvent business right now and just trying a bunch of

(29:46):
different stuffuntil it does work. So that's laying the groundwork
also for a bunch of other ideas that I have
to help musicians with. But priority goes into that right now,
and then I have an artistic project, like I said,
with the travel video project that I'm working on.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
So it seems like what I'm hearing from you is
you're very getting prioritizing. You're eliminating certain things that don't
serve your goal or purpose. You prioritize, and then you automate.
Now you're automate even.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
M Yeah, and yes, exactly, exactly. Like another, I read
a lot of business books like Alex Harmazi and you know,
Jim Rohan and people like that. For your viewers who
don't know them, I highly recommend all those books. They
say things like they're always looking to constantly fire themselves
from the positions that they're doing so that they don't
have to do it. Because as your business scales, you know, yeah,

(30:36):
it's it's grossing a certain amount. You're not netting that,
you know. But the more you gross with it, the
more you can you know, pay them, like lock yourself
down legally with your copyright stuff and and you know,
your terms of service and things like that. The more
that you can hire people to help you with it,
the more that you can hire like you know, accounting
accounting accounting firms, or a marketing team or anything like.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
That, social media teams.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
Exactly as your business scales, you know, and what that
allows you to do is to continue reinvesting into that.
See eventually down the road, you've got all this stuff
taken care of like you want to, and it just
makes profit.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
And this is interesting because when you automate and prioritize,
it frees up a little bit of your time, right,
and then let me ask you how important is that
extra time to actually connect with people. I think that
if it's show business, the business part means connection with people.
Like how important is connection?

Speaker 2 (31:32):
I think it's very important. And to be honest with you,
that's something I could probably be a little bit better
about with how much I'm kind of isolated in what
I do. When I'm teaching, it's just me and a student,
and when I'm working on that other stuff, it's you know,
it's me sitting behind a computer working on code or
you know, working on marketing campaigns or something like that
with it. So it's very important, you know, And I

(31:54):
know that that's something that I need to get better at.
But it's also something that I haven't really It's hard
to find the time to do everything, and that's something
that I haven't exactly found the balance on myself. That
being said, I'm not negating it or disregarding it. I
understand that that's a very valuable thing and doing stuff
like this is not only like good for the business,
but it's also healthy, you know what I mean. We've
known each other for a long time, so I mean,

(32:15):
I'm glad we we got on here finally. But you know,
like that that's something that just you know, we're social
people and to be able to get out and just talk,
you know, and just to kind of connect with it. Yeah,
it does, it doesn't. It's a I think it's a
big part of like being healthy too, you know. So
I do that. I don't do it as much as
I can. I don't hope, however, Yeah, and I know

(32:37):
that I know that it's coming down the road though,
and I'm willing to, you know, put the time in
now to get myself to that point.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
I have a strategy. Okay, what's what my strategy is.
I actually put it in my calendar, not because it's
a work for me, but I think putting it in
my calendar means it's sacred time. It's sacred time to
connect with people. It's sacred time to connect with your family.
Like I have a husban and who you know? Yes,
I met you through my mask and Allen and I

(33:04):
guess he's here in the studio.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
I don't know if we should acknowledge him.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
And I don't know this is working, Alan and I
have to put in there. And he even jokes around
and says to me, Hey, am I in your calendar?
Is that in your calendar now? And it's not because
you're not important. It's just because when you are building something,
it takes a lot of energy and a lot of
like you're like almost isolating yourself from the world, and

(33:32):
it's hard when you're not an entrepreneurs it's not like that.
Or if you're an academic entrepreneur, you know what I'm
talking about, you're in the zone. But I believe that
if you have a sacred time, and I learned this
from the Netflix ceo. The next Netflix ceo said, every
I think Tuesday night is sacred time. He eats dinner

(33:52):
with his wife, And I think if you do that
for me, it's a Sunday. I will not put anything
in it unless I kind of like ask for say, hey,
I have this very important thing, can I trade right? Like,
because I think, why are we working? Patrick? You know,
we work not just for a future yourself, but for connection.

(34:15):
I can't really be somebody who lives in the mountains
by myself. I know myself and I need somebody like
I need people, my family and my friends. If I
put in my calendar, I will make I will not know.
Maybe I was like, oh, I put a meeting and
now it's gone, and then I will always do that.

(34:35):
So what I've done is like put in my calendar
and perhaps one day I don't need to because like
let's say, first ample, I have to water the plants
every day. I put that six am in the morning
every day. Now I even beat my reminder. I already
know it becomes a habit. If you create a habit
of beating with people, and that's sacred time for you,
and you know how important connection is, you won't even

(34:56):
need that reminder one day.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
Yeah, yeah, I like that a lot. Maybe I should have. See,
I'm learning to write, like I can steal that idea,
That's what this is about. Yeah, I can put it
into your calendar and then it becomes a priority like
something else that you do. And I get what you're
saying there. If there's certain people where if you see
it right written down, you're gonna do.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
It with it, Especially if you're analytical, your brain tells
you you better. Yeah, you better get to and if
you don't use it, maybe none of your friends are available,
no one like invited you. Then that means, hey, why
don't you call your friend. For me, when I'm driving,
that's when I call my friends. And I learned that
from a husband Alan, so he calls people when he's driving.

(35:34):
So that's a great thing. I am just like doing this,
so I might as well talk to someone. And we
have Bluetooth already. You don't have to write, like and
it's not much of a distraction. I also do it
like maybe if I can't, like I feel sad and
I can't do it by myself, I just call a

(35:55):
friend or text someone. I don't have to tell them
sometimes my problem, but that that connection just helps me.
Sure you know. And I think for you or for me,
for everyone who's a musician, and I think any other jobs.
You need connections so that you become more successful inside
and outside. When I say inside, it feels good to

(36:16):
be connected. You're gonna be happier and healthier. Outside means
you're not alone. You're a community when you're doing your business.
I think it's so sad to be in the top alone.
When you do it with people, it makes it.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
More meaningful, right, I would completely agree with that.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
And did you know it's time to really I'm gonna
go full blown business that means you're foregoing a job
that's like W two, right, Like, how did you find
that courage to actually build a business?

Speaker 2 (36:48):
You mean, just to step out and do it. I
think it all comes back to just again, different different
strokes for different folks. Different people are going to find
a different way to do that. But with me, I
was just so committed to doing music that I was
willing to do whatever it. You know, it took if
you go all the way back to when I first started.
I don't think I necessarily knew that where I'd find
my home would be in coaching and teaching with it.

(37:09):
I think that's kind of just something that I discovered
that I was I was good at naturally, And it
doesn't feel to me like I'm really working so long
as the student's practice, which is another part of it.
You know, as you're building something, you kind of got
to take what comes through the door. But I've been
doing this for so long now that like almost all
my students practice regularly.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
Now, how do you make them practice? That's very hard?

Speaker 2 (37:28):
It just it kind of happens over time. I find.
I think that it's the same way as if you
built anything, like if you were a psychiatrist. You would
have to take what came through the door first of all,
and you probably give your clients exercises to do, and
most of them wouldn't do it, you know, most people don't.
Most people don't write like. It's like whenever you impose
change upon people, they don't really like it.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
Necessarily.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
I just think, I just think it's easy to get comfortable,
you know, like I'll just with with my business, like
I'll just give you an example of that. You know.
One of the issues that I'm still trying to work
to crack is the way that my lessons website works
is people pay a low fee upfront versus the way
that a traditional music academy works, which is that they

(38:11):
get paid by the academy out of what the student
gives the academy. Okay, So that's that's something that is
that I'm still working on to change the way people
think with that, because I worked out the math on
if I had one hundred students, and what a place
that charged say one hundred and thirty bucks a month
would and kept half of it, which is pretty standard, no, okay,

(38:33):
so they would a student would pay the place one
hundred and thirty bucks. They would pay their teacher half
of that sixty five bucks for the month for the
student with that okay, for me teaching one hundred students
over a forty year career, that works out to be
over three million dollars that I would have lost. Yeah,
that's that number sounds made up. We actually just put
a calculator up on the site that shows people this too,

(38:54):
because we're just trying different ideas. So we put a
calculator up where they can plug in their own numbers and.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
See that that you are so analytical, because that's something
I wouldn't think about.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
No, people don't even realize that because it doesn't register.
It's the same thing as getting a tax refund check, right,
because if you get a tax refund check that registers,
it feels good, you know, but it's really a bad
deal because all you've done is give the government an
interest free loan on your money. It would be much
better just for you to pay exactly what you had
and keep your money to be as closed.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
If you get a refund, it's like five hundred dollars.
Psychologically cool, Yeah, it loose much.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
It feels good. It feels good. I get that, you know.
But like it would literally this be the same thing
as me just handing you a thousand bucks and then
six months down the road saying keep this for six
months and then just pay me back with it. You
know why. I know we're friends, so it's a little
bit of a different relationship there. Yeah, so the government
coming bringing down but you know, like the point is

(39:47):
that it's a it's a you don't get anything out
of it, you know, financially with it. So you know,
my way lets people keep all all their money with it,
you know. So like I find that that's kind of
a different cult thing, you know, thing to kind of
break people's way of thinking around it too. But I
get a much better way for it. It works for me,

(40:08):
it'll work for people if they if they use it.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
I think as an artist, you have to be brave
to be able to evolve. Yeah, if you stay the
same way, somebody else will have can play the guitar,
somebody else can sing. It's what changes and growth in
you that makes you unique and marketable.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
Yeah. Yeah, you know, so getting back to the question
at hand there. You know you asked me why when
I was full throw throttled business with it. I think
it just kind of evolved out of that. And I
just have the right personality type with the business background
and the different way of thinking that most musicians don't think.
And I've just you know, set up my lessons business

(40:48):
in a way with the mission to help musicians live
live well.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
But how can you get there? Like, how could I
really think that it's a skill, even if it's not
your personality to be like, oh, a businessy, I think
is a necessary skill. How do you get there if
you're you're more of an artist because you know a
lot of artists, So how do you help them get
to that mindset? At least start with the mind My.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
Way isn't necessarily to change their whole mindset, it's just
to make it easy for them to do it, Like,
because ultimately, when you're changing the way people think, you
kind of have to let them come to it, you know,
on on their own. You know now that we've alread
adressed Elan. I know Ellen and I have had some
experience with that. You just have to There's not a
lot you can say to people with with that. You

(41:34):
just kind of have to let them figure it out
on their own and continue to lead by example and
show them that there's you know, there's a better way
to do it with that too, you know, like you
don't you know, like with me one of the I
have a lot of things that I say to people.
It's like, you know, I don't. I don't do it
for you. I just give you the ways to do it.
I'm going to give you the lifeline too.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
Like auDA outline.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
Yeah, I say, like the big line. Have been going
with likely again because trying a bunch of stuff. As
I say, I'll give you the lifeline for this, you
got to participate in your own rescue for it. And
you know, I think eventually people you'll have people that
see that and the start to talk about it amongst
themselves and amongst the demographic you know, with it and

(42:18):
the more that people see it, the more that they
start to question it. But it doesn't just happen overnight.
Sometimes doing something like that takes years to affect change
on people.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
People get disappointed or frustrated when they read a book
or they watch a podcast and they thought they got
it and then they forgot it in a day or
like in the week, and it doesn't work. But it
has to be constant exposure to these inspirational things and
also systems and automation and to change your mindset right,

(42:47):
And what about like a book? Do you have a
book or philosophy? Yeah, you bide by?

Speaker 2 (42:52):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I guess like they're all kind
of summed up around the same thing. I mean, like
my whole philosophy, going back to the Warren Buffett thing.
You know. The way that the way that I say
that is you've got the same number of minutes in
a day as anybody else. It's up to you with
what you want to do with it. So I think
probably that can be best summed up with a quote

(43:13):
from John Steinbeck. When I have time to I actually
read a lot, which has not been the case for
a long time now, but I actually read a lot. Bit. Yeah,
I take I take notes whenever I read things like
that too. And then The Moon Is Down, which is
a John Steinbeck novel about Nazi invasion and occupation of
I Believe, a French town. There's a quote in there

(43:35):
when they're talking about I Believe rebelling where somebody says
to rally the troops something like I don't have a
choice of living or dying. I only have a choice
of the way that I do it, and it's an
easy choice for me because the end is the same.
You know, what do you want to be with it
when it's all said and done? You know, do you
want to be you know? I mean, I guess we
can get frank here. Do you want to be a bum?
Or do you want to be excellent with it? It's
up to you with it?

Speaker 1 (43:56):
Can you say that again?

Speaker 2 (43:58):
Yeah, I'll say it again. Just you have every You
have the same number of minutes in a day everybody
else has, you know, and it's all a choice with
what you do with it, coming down to like what
you had for breakfast this morning, to what you chose
to wear today? Did you work out this morning? You
know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (44:14):
Did you? All?

Speaker 2 (44:15):
This stuff comes into play with it, right, You have
the same number of minutes in a day as anybody else.
With it, it is up to you how you invest them.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
So basically, we should not make excuses that I only
have twenty four hours, I only have one minute to
do this or ten minutes, because everybody else has. It's
just a matter of you choosing are you going to
waste those minutes or are you going to use those
minutes to grow, to be able to automate and also
get to your goal. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
I mentioned Jim Ron earlier. If you're not familiar with him,
I would you know, if you're interested in the stuff,
I would highly recommend Jim Jim Roan, Jim Rones. I'll
steal a quote from him, if you if you want
to do something, you'll find a way, and if you don't,
you'll find an excuse.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
Exactly. Yeah, and I like that And a lot of
times just be because we don't feel like doing those
things because it takes time. But the time you use
now is going to help your futureself, So it's an investment.
It's totally okay.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
Yeah, absolutely, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
And then in our show, we're coming to a conclusions
and I got a challenge. You're ready for to challenge.
So pretend that you can actually go back in time
ready for this. What is something and or someone you
wish you'd made more time for and how would that
have changed your life?

Speaker 2 (45:34):
That's a that's a difficult one, Maria, honestly difficult. I know,
I know.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
That's the whole time did I asked?

Speaker 2 (45:41):
I asked for it. I was hoping that we'd run
out the clock. To be honest, I mean there's a
lot of there's family members like you know, grandparents and
things like that that I wish it would have made
time for, and even coming down to like my first dog.
To be honest with you, it's weird when my first
when I had to put my first dog down, I
found myself apologizing to him for like, you know, leaving
leaving them like at home as much as I did,

(46:01):
even though it really wasn't that much.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
You know.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
It's just weird how you react in a situation like
that with it. So there's relationships like that for sure.
And I think also like with a lot of the
stuff that I'm doing now, I wish I would have
gotten started earlier, you know, And I wish I would
have kind of had the wherewithal with my philosophies to
get started when I was even younger with it, because

(46:25):
you know, I mean, it's all going to stop one day.
We got to we got to try to get it
done while we're here with it. And the quicker we
can get it done, the more time we have for
the relationship.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
And who are you doing this for? Is it doing fably?
Like all of these goals? Is it for you, your
future stuff. Who's this for?

Speaker 2 (46:40):
Well, it is for me. You know, I think that
I think that people that don't tell you that you
got to be kind of skeptical. Why Well, because we
do what we want, you know what I mean. So ultimately,
even if like you have ideas and plans to help
out other people you're you're probably still doing it for
some kind of self motivation reason because it makes you
feel good, because makes you money or whatever. You know,

(47:01):
And I won't lie about that with me. It's both
of them, you know, with it. But I do have
a mission in what I do, sises to help musicians
live well. Really, what I want to end up doing
is also affecting change in academia too, because I think
there's massive issues both in the music business and in
academia with it. And I got some ideas for that,
but you know, I don't want to. I play my
cards pretty close to my chest on that right now.

(47:22):
I just want to get the site and make it
money on that.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
But we're super excited for this, and I really think
that it's time for you to plug some of your
projects so we can support you and tell us how
you can support us.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
Okay, you just want me to give a description of what.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
My yeah, or like, hey, how do you get to
your website? Oh?

Speaker 2 (47:42):
Yeah, sure, so okay, I'll address both projects. So if
you want to go check out Lessons Las Vegas dot com.
If you want to take lessons with some musicians here,
they all teach online because I know that this goes
internationally too, right, So you can visit Lessons Las Vegas
dot com. There's about thirty instruments on there. We don't
have instructors and all of them yet, but we do
have a lot of them, and they're people that have

(48:03):
had Grammy nominations that are on there. There's people that
have worked with, you know, in the shows with like
Celine Dion that are on there and things like that too.
So if you want to take lessons from some of
the best musicians honestly in the nation, a lot of
them reside here for that bad reason because they play
in the shows. So you can visit that and check
out what you what you want to do with it.

(48:24):
Or you can visit me personally at Patrick Worley Music
on both Instagram and Facebook, and you can see some
of the videos from my upcoming travel project. I filmed
a lot of performance videos so far in places, but
there's gonna be quite a bit coming with that. I
would say by the end of by the end of
next year. It's I'm working on a lot of stuff
right now, and it's it's a big project. But I

(48:44):
would say, but the end of next year of the
full travel videos will start to draw.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
We're very excited, and you got to give us a
taste of this.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
Sure, I need a little bit of help, honestly, because
like I'm learning this music so fast now that i
can't quite remember it all the way. So I'm just
gonna have you page turn for me a little bit. Okay,
So I'm gonna play a little bit of an excerpt
actually from and now coming trip to the Philippines.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
Actually Philippines. I went to the Philippines and I'm going
back by the way in Philippino.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
Yah right now, Yeah, okay, cool, cool. I knew, I
felt knew, I felt at home. So but it requires
me to go back to places a lot. I've been
to Japan and France and all over the States, and
I've opened up the Philippines with it too. So just
to give people a little bit of a sample, of this, uh,
some of the Philippine music that I'm going to be
playing here. This is an arrangement by Jose Valdez who

(49:34):
teaches at the University of Manila. He's a Filipino guitarist. Uh.
And I'll be playing this one probably in front of
the Cathedral of Manila when I go beautiful.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
Yeah, this is this is a little bit of an
arrangement of the prayer, the the Andrea about Shelley and
something beyond. You keep your eyes on the social media.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
You can see maybe.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
At the moment, you can probably see maybe six or
seven more videos the full performances in front of like
a bunch of a bunch of places I went to Japan.
I recorded in Narrow Park with a bowing deer and
stuff like that. So check it out.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
Yeah, I can't wait for the Filipino.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
Yeah, it's gonna be good. Yeah, that'll launch. I'll upload
those performance videos. I'm going in January, so they'll be
uploaded late January, I would say so.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
For a Filipino American and Filipino viewers check that out.
So well, I guess that's the end. I really love
the emotions that came with it and we want to
thank you for this opportunity to interview you. Thank you
all for joining us in today's episode of the Courageously
Speaking podcast, hosted but yours truly Marias. A huge thank

(52:01):
you to our guest Patrick Worley for sharing his courageous
journey with us from the vibrant music scene of Nashville
to building a meaningful business here in Las Vegas. Through
determination and creativity, Patrick has found a way to bring
art and business together in a way that's both authentic
and sustainable. His story reminds us how to be intentional

(52:21):
with our time and that strong connections are key to
impactful success. Thank you as well to pH Ilby Radio
who graciously recorded our podcasts in their studio located here
in Filipino Hotown, Las Vegas, Nevada. To our listeners, if
this podcast episode resonated with you, don't forget to subscribe
to Courageously Speaking with Maria Soriano. Share this episode with

(52:41):
someone who could use a dose of inspiration, and visit
courage creators dot com for more resources to help you'll
lead with courage and purpose. And remember, courage isn't about
the absence of fear. It's about taking action despite it,
So until next time, stay courageous.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
St.

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