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guests tonight that wanted to chime in. So we have
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none other than man world renowned no comedian mister Roberts
Sweaty Hans day, y'all, give it up, give it up,
what's up? Sweaty hands one all right, and then coming
in in a few minutes. We also have none other
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than the writer's coach, multi award winning international author, Miss
Michelle pe Jones. Y'all just heard her owner shit on
Girls Talk, Real Talk right before relationship Apology, So she'll
be on in a few minutes two chiming into this topic.
So tonight's topic, because I always let Keith introduce the topic, is.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
What is the value of a black man? Listen?
Speaker 3 (03:17):
And I you know, this topic was extremely important to
me being like I said, being mother of two sons.
But Keith, as y'all know, if this is your first
time tuning into relationship ology, what we do is we
unpack the surface of the topic, what does that mean
to us? And then we that big beat, give some facts,
you know, some self self experiences, and then we share
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solutions all right at the end. But guess what you
all will have a chance to chime in tonight. You
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All right, So what is the value of a black man?
So keith first and foremost, what made you pick this topic?
Speaker 1 (04:22):
All right?
Speaker 4 (04:23):
So, as you know, I always use my social media
class pool mm hmm oh. I put a champick out there.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
And my sens media and it's funny. I think that's
why I get off to the you know, value of
a black man.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
I'm going to explain why I chose the topic so
I could have post up and I want to say Monday,
and I text you about it. Yeah, so you can
try it so you can check it out. And if
basically what I said is if I said when I
said younger Mary for uh, he's sources and social status,
(05:10):
I said, me and Mary so love and social status.
I said, if you don't agree, let's debate. What I
found Gary Thunton and my therapist told me this, and
this is what made me pay attention to things like this. Now,
what I found I was crazy than the years. There
wasn't a one woman that disagrees with.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Me, but all of them went to debate.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Oh wow, so that I think that I think that
that's a tell tale sign of what I was getting
ready to say concerning this topic, because you know, I
came across an article myself on the topic the value
of a black man on medium dot com for those
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who don't know, Medium is a huge media platform, all right,
And he talked about his name is Kendall, and he's
said that, you know, first and foremost. In twenty sixteen,
black women were named the most educated ethnicity group, all right.
According to the National at the Center for Education Statistics,
sixty four percent of black women graduate with bachelor's degrees
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and sixty seven percent with associate compared to only thirty
six percent of black men and thirty three percent of
them graduate with associates degrees. But on the flip side
of that, black men make up thirty seven percent of
the United States jail population. And so you know, he
said that black men's value is normally based on either
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how much they can provide and protect and how much
money they have, right, But how can black men protect
if they are locked up and in jail?
Speaker 1 (06:46):
How can they provide.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Without proper credentials to create sustainable incomes? Because see, the
narrative that's being painted is that black women are the
most disrespected, no, the most disrespected group on the planet.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
But that's not true.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
The black man is the most disrespected on the planet
because you all are not worthy of higher education. You
all are not worthy of being a part of our households.
We are taught that we don't need you, that you
are not valuable to the familiar structure. We are also
taught that you have no worse unless you make a
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certain amount of money, and that you are the one
that has to meet a lot of different criteria and
unrealistic expectations when it comes to dating and relationships that
you don't have the I'll say, you don't have the room, okay,
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to even expect a woman to respond to you in
text or inbox or a phone call if you're not
willing to pay for you know, her, to prepare for
you to meet her, and and all.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
This other kind of foolishness.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
And so black men, and on top of that, you
all are are are not even worth the same courtesy
that everybody else gets when you all approached by law enforcement.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
So the black man is the most disrespected on the planet.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
If you ask me now to do what funny is this?
So like I said, I've just you know, I've learned
this from my therapist over a couple couple of years,
and she said, these people need to stop being defensive listeners.
And I've worked on that, and I can truly say
I am not a defensive looking there. I used to
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be to an extent, to an expect but I'm not
an eager. I'm not at all anymore. The kady no
one speak you to this, and I just follow, fascinating
that in the ponents mind you, I created this post
that said, then Larry for resources and social state re
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ary from love and social status, and no, let's introduce
our guests.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Our guess is not another the National Recording Artist, Multi
award nominated National Recording Artist, mister Clinton was right.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
I mean it should he be sourceful? You know I've
been damn if I were ever needed somebody who wouldn't
be sourceful. Okay, you're not arguing with me, so you
know that means you are gritty. So since you was Lee,
why we having a debate about it? And so what
made you sit there and think about it is you
know what she bar is just censter and then excuse
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it by certain words and crazy yeah, yeah, who's all
telling to And so the value of the black lead
exist to me. So the value of the black lead
is it all depends on who you're ask and that's
strange but truly a shameful in my opinion. And the
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reason I say this is because you've seen my page
more than times. If you've seen me post stating that's
pretty fair. But people will come on and then they're
like they want to cuss me out and also want
me to shut up, to just speak in the shoe.
And I'm not going visit it, right, I don't need
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to be oh no on my page. I don't be
over all my pay it's my page here. I don't
be omar he just don't. God, I work through with
you people. I'm under construction. I ain't learning yet. Though
I ain't learning yet, bring it. I just find it
so fascinating you that it's just all depends don't either asking,
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and it all depends on he's a black man, right,
So I understand you all are individual. Don't get me wrong.
I'm sorry I get a little more long winded than normal,
but I understand that they're not. I understand that you
are individuous, but it seems like black being are only
indivisions when there's something exceptional happening.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Mm hm.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
So we're all love feelings and there's something fucked up happening, right, So.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
So hold on because I want us to stay on task,
and we only got an hour, so I want to
hear our guests chime in real quick, Sweaty, tell me
what is what is your take on it? And then Michelle,
I want to hear your take, and I'll come back
and circle around and tell you why I don't agree.
I agree with everything you said, Keith, except for the
value of a black man depend being dependent upon who
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it is that.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
You're talking to. So go ahead, Sweaty.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
I believe I agree with him on the part about
me and getting made for love. I don't know about
the social status. I don't even know what that means.
I really don't. I don't be cared about other people
and what they think. It's what I'll explain that to you, guys,
what I say, I'll explain about it. Yeah, after after
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the ladies simple around, I'll explain what I'm talking about
with our fair situal status. Yeah, go ahead, us play
and the reason why I agree with him. On men
married for love because we don't have to get married.
There's something that women been tossings to Barbie Dolls and
Ken and me and we ain't talk that we and
by next we hunt and and and and get as
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many as we can as as when we're younger. That
that's what we do. We stack up numbers as we grow.
We changed as we grow. Ain'tybody sitting there at fifteen
thinking about wonder who I'm gonna marry and how many
kids we're gonna have may crossing their mind? Mm hmm okay, ok,
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go ahead. Yeah, so that's what I said. When so
when a man marries a woman he really loved that
woman or got something deep with her because he could
just stay free because we really feel and once we
settle down, it is like a ball and chain in
most cases. That's how people feel. I mean men feel.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Oh that's interesting, all right, Michelle, what's you take?
Speaker 5 (13:11):
I agree, to a certain extent I do. Having two
adult sons myself. One of the most important conversations that
I had with them is letting them understand their value
and that their value may not be seen through the
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eyes of everyone, but it doesn't diminish their value just
because somebody else doesn't recognize it the.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Way that they do. Right.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
I believe that our black men overall, for whatever reason,
have been demonized and because they have been demonized in
the press on Tz in the movie, you know, they
got a bad rep.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
So it's harder for them to.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
Navigate My's path if they don't have or they don't
know about the opportunities that are available to them. Okay,
So I really believe that systematically they attack a man
to tear down the family structure, right, because if you
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have the black man and the black woman together in
the household raising a family, there's nothing they cannot accomplish
together there.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
It is unstoppable, unstoppable. So real quick, I want to
say that the reason I disagree with you Keith on
the only part is that the value of black man
is depending upon who you're talking to. I don't believe
that's true because and the second part of this, we're
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going to dive into what the actual value of a
black man is and I'll go into that. But because
your value is your value, period. Everybody is not only
born with purpose, but everybody also is born with value.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
And just because other people don't see it or respect it.
That doesn't change the value.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
So at the same time, if you are eating greens,
for instance, that's a high source of fiber. That's the
value that your body gets from those greens. Now, whether
or not Tim, Jerry and Susie likes it or not
or thinks it's nasty, just because they think it's nasty,
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that doesn't mean the value diminishes. The value is still
the value, period. So it don't matter if you go
to Tim, Susie or Gym and they say, oh, no,
greens are nasty. It don't matter how you cook them.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
I don't like them.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
That No, that still doesn't change the value of those greens.
It's the same thing with the black men. So we're
gonna take a quick break because we want to keep
the show flowing. We only have an hour, and y'all
know how we get when it comes to relationshipology. So
and when we come back and then we start talking
about what the value of a black man actually is,
we're going to open up the phone lines. You all
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gonna start calling in and texting, all right, to give
your two cents on the topic.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
So stick and state, don't go anywhere.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
You are tuned into relationshipology with your girl, Lady Jay
and Keith Omar. Right here on jq LM radioperation for
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for those who are just now tuning into relationship ology.
Right here on jq EL on Radio, division of Ego
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Entertainment Network, we are talking about the value of a
black or the value of the black man, with our
guest Sweaty Hans and Michelle P. Jones my co host
of course Keith Omar. Hopefully we get to see Omar tonight.
Hopefully Omar comes out to play. But that so, before
the break we were talking about we were all given
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our two cents about you know, what the value of
a black man looks like, you know, in each other's eyes,
and a little bit of what society, you know, beams
the value of black man is. And before the break,
I was telling everyone that I had disagreed. I agree
with everything Keith said outside of the fact that a
black man's value is dependent upon who it is that
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you're asking. And I gave the scenario about greens having
a high fiber value to help your digestive system, and
just because three other people you go and ask them
about the value of greens or you know, if they
like it or whatever the case may be, if they
decline or go against that, that still doesn't change the
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value that they bring to your body.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
It's the same thing with the black man.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
And I truly believe also as a mother of two
sons and being the daughter of a black man, you know,
I think that so we forget too that sometimes black
men forget their value themselves, just like black women. And
so life happens, We have experiences, and some of us
are not emotionally, mentally, spiritually, or financially stable enough to
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deal with those things, or we choose not to because
we all have free will, and you know, and we
turn to other things that further diminishes our ability to
see and accept and own and walk.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
In that value.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
And so I think that for me, as we transition
into okay, then what does the value of a black
man look like? Because for me, I think that the
value of black man is more than how much he
can protect you, how much money he has, how many
assets he has, and what he can provide, because that's
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all that the black man is chalked up to be
in society and and a lot of the African American
communities eyes too when it comes to our women, because
we are seeing a high rise of women, Like I said,
thinking that black men are the ones have to come
with all of these things and resources and things that
certain we forget that we are his help meet. You
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need more resources than he does. He's the visionary, you're
the strategist. That's how that works. And so society has
got us all the way messed up because they have
us thinking amen, that they have us thinking that we
are the ones. And this is what I teach my
own son. So for those who may think, oh, I'm
just don hear talking know and for those who know
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me personally, everybody on here knows me personally that talking
right now. So I teach my sons that they have
just as much value as their sisters. And so the
black men should never be looked at he well, first
of all, he's still being looked at as property period,
somebody that can be controlled, somebody that you can just
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continue to take from.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
And for me, that's wrong. What do y'all think.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
You do? Everything? Just feel it.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
I'm gonna touch it back a little bit. I'm gonna
talk about social status. If if I put that out there,
I'll talk about my pope. And what I was meaning
by social status is men men very based on how
other people perceive or see the person that.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
They are, just like women do.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
That's why a lot of limen are shooting for the
top five percent of years. We have ninety percent of
limits shooting for the top five deplacements. H And so
it's funny in media and then that sit here and saying, well,
you know, he should you know, you should just choose voice.
You should do this, and we should do.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
This, and you know, like because you want to be chosen,
and I get that, but the problem with this is,
you know, you want to appreciate each other that hey,
they'll keep your options over. Well, if you got five vs.
That are you know in bosity they want to chase Wow,
they want to do this. Women champion the idea of
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dating as keep your options over the date, all five
of them. You know what I'm saying, And so you
figure out who you like the best. But if you
stay in vendom will turn around to till me. No,
you need to just shoot me one of them, right,
you know, because you're playing now, you're playing them, and
I'm sitting there like, yo, hold on, wait a minute,
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you need to tell me he can't he can't date
all five and you make a decision, bass, do you
like the monk? Just like you just told your girl fantasy?
Mm hmm.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
You know.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
And that goes back to that, that goes back to
that that you know, the double fender. And I already
tell you estelfishness. And I'm not saying it's just selfish
just from women obviously, because you all know some so
you know what I'm saying. So I'm not going to
took that out there. I'm just saying people in general,
that's as black people. I think it's So that's what
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I'm kind of talking about, because we all want somebody
who desired. You all want everyone who just looked at
in high esteems right. You know what I'm saying, Like
I tell people all the time, I wis is great.
You know, I said, what about what about really good fans?
She told me one time, she said, you know why
a lot of younger they're trying to find the block
on you because they know who you are as me, right,
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they know your value, they know you have a great reputation.
You've been running around the seat for thirty plush year,
and ain't nobody hurts you with no mess.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
Ain't nobody say that you treat them. Ain't nobody say
that you know you do this and you do that
the wrong way. Everybody knows you to be the same person,
because that's your fear is that you walk right.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
You know.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Now, some of them, you know, they your side, track
of your value because they feel like somebody else value
may be greater until they realize the food goes right. Right,
So that's what I was making by such a statard.
But never Land, I'm with you on that, ready, late John,
I am there with you on the value thing. I'm
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gonna hear track.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
That, Okay.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
I mean and you as a black man somebody that
I love dearly, you know, and that's a friend of
mine and co host. I would never want you to
feel like your value change is depending upon who you're
talking to, Like.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
What, No, So I understand, go give you all. I
understand that's how they see me. Yeah, yeah, y'all have
to agree.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
With that, right right?
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Okay, Sweaty and Michelle talk about Okay, well, I'm glad
you do. Uh, Sweaty and Michelle can y'all take about
two minutes each and give your take on that as well,
and then the phone lines will be open after that.
Y'all can call in three one seven eight eight six
zero two nine six, or you can text.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
All right, go ahead, sweaty.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
I think I'll just both dis cant for down each
other by saying that you were saying exactly right. Your
value is your value. A diamond is a diamond, no
matter whose finger is on right, it's still a diamond.
And then he cleared up when he was talking about
the search. Sat Now, I understand, you know what he's
talking about. But me, I never cared about what other
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people thought or nothing like. Even though I'm on the
stage with big names, I feel like I belong and
other people may not feel that way, but I never
feel what they feel or whatever. So I guess I'll
be in my own head because I know my value.
And as he was saying, other people see your value too,
you being in the community. So how many years ain't
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never been nothing saying came abode say a bad word
about you? Your reputation is that and women do what
You'll spend the block and try to all do this
and that because they know who you are like Dang,
I should have been with him while I was chasing
his food over here. Look at his life, Dang, and
I had the chance. But it is the women that
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are making money and basing stuff on money. That's all
television and all that whoply. I don't even get into
all that. I agree, Michelle R.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
Agree with what has been said. My oldest son is
just celebrated, I think, two years of marriage. And when
he was out there in the dating pool before him
and his wife started dating, he said something to me
that applies to this, And he said, Mom, I'm I'm dating.
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And he's a professional. He's in Corporate America and all
of that, and he's a VP at his job, and
so he was dating all kinds of women, you know,
just trying to find the right one for him. And
he made this statement to me. He said, I've realized
that I'm not the problem.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
He said, for so long I.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Thought I was the problem.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
He said, I realized it about how they see themselves,
how they interact with me. And I had to stop
and think about what he said for a minute, because
that's what we do. We project our view of ourselves
on other people. And I think for our black men.
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That has happened more times than not because he's a
professional male and he's a good looking professional male, and
like you, people know who he is and he's not
out here doing these things in the streets, and so
it makes them very attractive to women. But even the
women within that has vp status that their jobs in
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corporate America, have money in the bank and all of that,
because they're dealing with some issues with their self esteem
and their self view. They're coming with all these rules
and regulations that the man has to live up to
because they haven't really figured out who they are and
understood that their esteem, their confidence is what allows them
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to step into the help meet roles and be able
to support that man, whether he is working for the
sanitation department. It's we have to begin to look it
as and stop always trying to project that as being
an issue on the other individual, meaning are black male.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
I totally agree. I definitely totally agree.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
That's real good and you know, and just to transition,
as I said, you all can call in or text
three one seven eight eight six zero two ninety six
to give your take. If you're gonna text, we will
you know, read your text over the ear. If you
call in, of course we'll allow you to give your
two cents on air. But I want to say that
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as we transition now into the part, Okay, well, what
is the value of a black man, because it's definitely
not what society says and what it has in doctrine
in the African American unity and black women. Okay, and
when I say black women, so just for the sake
of those who who behave as if they don't understand,
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we're not talking about all. But it is a vast
majority or a large number of black women who think
this way. We see it all the time. I've see
in person, I see it on social media. I see
it at the gas station, at church and so on
and so forth. But for me, I think that first
and foremost his value as a person lies in who
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he is, in God or whoever he chooses to believe in,
but in God. Because you didn't create yourself, the creator,
your purpose and what value that purpose holds first and
foremost who you are and who you are as a
person and what you carry so and then second, as
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a head or a person in leadership, not just in
the head of a family, but also let's say even
in business. So as a family, I mean being the
head of a family, your leadership, of course, your responsibility
is to provide, to protect and things of that sort. However,
also and your ability to lead through conflict resolution, you know, also,
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and it's not wrapped up and whether or not you
have a degree or not, because it's a lot of
men out here who don't have degrees but have a trade,
you know, or has a gift that God has given them,
and God has made room for that. So looking down
on a man because he doesn't have a master's or
a doctorate is crazy. I don't think I've ever dated
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a man myself or even been married. When I was
married to a man who is more educated than me,
and that did not deter me from, you know, from
interacting with them, because so what they don't do the
same thing I do.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
You know, that just doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
And for women, Black women, we are the only women
in the world that are taught that we don't need
our men, that we can do without them, and that
we will give you this as long as you don't
allow him to stay in the home with you, as
long as you don't allow him to give you this, this,
and that which is crazy, and we go along with
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that which is stupid to me. And yet we are
the same women that are broken because we didn't have
our fathers, and we allow that.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
To roll over onto our own children.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
So think about how warped of a mindset you have
to have in order to do that and intentionally, and
then furthermore in relationships, when it comes to his value
or women seeing their value, I believe it's our job
to recognize and cultivate that value more so than anybody else,
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because they get enough disrespect and being trampled upon out
in the world outside of the home. And so it's
our job to support him to you know, to cover
him as well. And that's another thing too, in his value,
he's also our covering. We need to cover each other
and submitting to his leadership, letting him know that you
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trust him. You know, you trust him with your life,
You trust him with your heart, You trust him with
your you know, with their home, and with your with
your children. You trust him to provide the things that
you need so that you can be able to multiply it.
For me, that's what the value of a black man is.
And so and anybody who says otherwise, I think really,
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like I said, I agree with Michelle, male and female,
that they are just projecting their own insecurities about themselves.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
You know what I'm saying onto them?
Speaker 5 (31:30):
Oh ooh, tack me in, coach, tack me in.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
God, go ahead, Michelle, tag you it.
Speaker 5 (31:37):
As you were talking, a thought came to mind, and
you asked the question, how valuable is our black men?
Our black men are so valuable that he is a
threat to those who are intimidated simply by his presence.
Oh oh, say it again, to open his mouth. He
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don't have to do anything just by simply beings. He
is intimidating other people, which means they see him as
such a value that in order for them to be seen,
they must diminish him.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Wow, that's that's the Could it be though, that they
are seeing also the God in him?
Speaker 5 (32:23):
Exactly?
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Still, I need to tell you here, you spark something,
Tag you in.
Speaker 5 (32:28):
I tag you in?
Speaker 1 (32:29):
All right, all right, so tig you back? Then off
what Michelle said, even the black women, if he finds
themselves not as impressed the black men who actually also
on of themselves to a point where you're competing with
him speak about it like to in competitions. No one
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knows what that black men? Why is that? He has
to have some kind of value for you? Do you
want to be better? Didn't you? Hey? Wow? You know
so you just don't? You know what I'm saying, find
yourself hi value in black then push you yourself to
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say why are you in competition with him? Because you
don't compete with white Yeah, like up people with a
black men. You don't pete with Latin on meire like
you compete with black men. In fact, you don't compete
with anyone else like you compete with the black men.
And he's gonna stay at it because your big, your big,
your biggest creditive. You go towards that black man and
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no one else. Wow.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Yeah, that's good, that's real good. Sweaty, you want to
get tagged in before we take our next break.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
I don't tag Then Michelle hit it on the head
what she was saying, just are very present alone affects
the whole world. It's just like the lion in the jungle.
Everybody know he the kid, and they run the jungle
in groups of hyenas wild dogs. But when the lion
shows up, even if they got the numbers, they're still scared,
like it's still a line. And it's the same way
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with black men. When they serve warrants for white guys.
They show up with a deputy like, hey, we hear
the rest Paul have warrant for this, and there they
show up the black when they come up with swat Yeah, yep, amen, yep.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
So we got to take a quick break. But before
the break, I want try to think about this and
we can close out with this. So because we know
what society says about the black men's valume. So now
we're talking about in relationships in the household and our families.
Think about this. As a black woman, when you go
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to a or first, when you go to apply for
a job, do you contact the employer and tell them
which criteria they need to put on there or for
them to meet to get you or to hire you?
Do you walk into the interview and demand certain things
from the employer so that you can.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Get the position.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
If not, then why do we approach the relationship with
the black man in that way? You're auditioning for a spot.
As a wife, think about that, so you're tuned into
relationship ology. With your girl, Lady Jay and Keith Omar
right here on jq l M Radio. Don't go anywhere,
don't touch that down. We're gonna take a quick break.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
We'll be right back. Yes, my ration for the songs
because you.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Yes, all right, and we are back.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
You are tuned into relationship ology right here on jq
el and Radio, division of Ego Entertainment Network, here with
your girl Lady Jay and my co hosts Keith Omar.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Your boy Keith, and we have to forget.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
We have you give lady to pull up texts musicial
phone calls right, yes, okay, I'm waiting, waiting, okay.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
And that's if people because you know, sometimes we get
people who are shy to call in. So if they
was texting and calling last show, Uh, so y'all can
text now, I see, I see y'all listening.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
So you can text.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
If you don't want to call in and be live
on air, you can text us, text us and give
your two cents. So before the break, I pose the
question for the black women and I and I think
it's important too. And if you know us, then you
know that when we are talking about the men, we
stay on the topic of men, we don't then veer
off and then start giving the spotlight to women. Were
talking about women, you know what I'm saying, heep following
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on women, so as black women. I asked the question
that when you go to an employer, do you go
to the employer and tell them what criteria and expectations
they need to meet in order for you to apply
to get the job. And if not, then why do
you expect that you can do that when you go
to a man, Because at the at the very least,
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you are quote unquote auditioning or applying for the raw
as his woman, his wife or whatever. You are the
one that needs to go back and get yourself together
so that you can meet the criteria to be that
man's wife.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
If you don't have.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
The credentials or the experience to you know, apply for
a position or even to be considered for a position
in a role, what makes you think that you can
approach the black man and demand that for him? And
we again we forget that we are to come with
what we can offer. We are the help meet. Now
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that's not to say that in his leadership role, as
you're covering as your protector, as your provider and even
being able to teach you a few things that that
doesn't mean that he also doesn't have, you know, criteria
that he needs to meet. However, we should never be
coming to the table demanding things from him and expecting
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certain things that you have not even earned, because to
expect the black man to spend a certain level amount
of money on you and then feel some type of
way when he says that he's not gonna do that
and your first response is that he's broke. No, ma'am,
you you have not earned that right to demand or
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ask anything. Really, we shouldn't be demanding anything. But so yeah,
I post that question. I want you to really, you know,
look at yourself and answer the question what y'all think?
Sweaty and sweaty and Keith I said, go ahead, what
do you think about what the question I just post?
Speaker 1 (38:39):
I'm really I'm finally right with you said, we think alike.
So that's why I'm being silent because y'all covered y'all
thinking the same way. I'm thinking, Well, that's why you
I ain't got a lot of too cent to put
in there, because I think, just like y'all, they supposed
to be the helpmate. You're supposed to help, not take over,
you know, not continue hope. So and then the women,
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damn look at these people, but races on society thinking
of a man or what man said that the crick
heia that is basically what you what you need from
a man? What do you need? What's your criteria? What
you need? Not what's society? That he got to have
all this money, he gotta do this, and he gotta
do that. It's something women that don't need. I don't need.
All that I need is this and take care of
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your basic needs. And y'all happy. That's pretty much it.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
Right now, let's wait just television. Sweter, you're all married
and married and you've been married for quice some time,
so for three years. Congratulations on that. And so I
got a direct question from us, right, I got a
direct question.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
For you, Sweddie.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
As a black man who is married, do you feel
that when you met your wife did she see your value?
And has she continue to see your value and respect
that value as you all have grown throughout the years.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Because things change, people change throughout the years.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
And what have you said? Because I just had that
conversation today that people always talk about when somebody married somebody,
and I tell people, you get married, it's easy to
get in. You are to get out of them. The
people running divorce to do all this. And the thing
is people do change. We can't think of nothing all
this planet that started thirty years ago, and it's still
the same today. The food we eat ain't even the
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same that we ate back then. So things do change.
But then I means you got to run and cut
it out and all that. You know, my wife didn't
see my value when she first met me because he
thought all was every other dude. I was trying to
get on and she thought we were gonna mess around
and move on. But then when she starts saying that,
I really like because you know men say that to
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they are you tell that to everybody? Him was like, wait,
he really putting in efforts, He really put it in time,
and he really sticking around. Okay, you ain't nobody doing this.
And then she started took her a while because she
was a single mother to let me take the lead,
all right, And then she's like, you're gonna have to
enter the tres more. You got a name. Certain things
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you don't have to do no more. Right, it was
just out of habit. She would do these things that
my daughters had the same same problems too, but they
just you know, everybody's self. And now they're like, you
had to have you. Now you ain't got to take
out the trash. Your husband will take that trash yard.
They'll do this, he'll do that. But it's a learning
process that women have to have to learn that to
let this man lead.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Right right, Okay, Michelle, you can go ahead with your.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
Comments, going to sell and she's like, please go ahead, Okay, what.
Speaker 5 (41:42):
Was my question?
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Remember I pose the question about women.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
You know, why do they feel the need that they
why do they feel like they have the right to
approach the black man and demand these things from him
if you won't go to an employer and do that
when you are the one that is applying for the
role that role in his life.
Speaker 5 (41:59):
Because they're follow after the world dictates. Nobody has ever
and nobody that has been raised in a loving household,
whether it was a single parent or both parents, was
in the household. At no time did no mother ever
tell their daughter you don't need a man. It is
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what the is what social media says, it's what the
news says is what the world says.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
I'm true enough.
Speaker 5 (42:29):
I'm a professional woman and I can pay all my
bills myself. But you'll never hear me say I don't
need a man. You'll never hear me say, well, he's
got to have everything that I have and he's got
to be able to do this and do that. Sometimes
God will match you up with an individual because he
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knows that you have the wherewithal to help that individual
meet their greatest potential right And so if that's the case,
you are cutting out a whole lot of possibility to.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
You right there.
Speaker 5 (43:08):
You know, when when I did get married, and when
I was married, like sweating hands wife, I had to
learn how to stop doing everything because I was used
to doing everything. But trust me, it didn't take me
long to figure out how to stop doing it.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
Go ahead, he is he and my extras will tell people.
You know, that's the biggest shout is say hey, I
put a check on that. Hey, look what you're doing,
what you're touching on doing for you while you're driving
those days doing forbid you try to be listicted for you.
When I'm here, I show folk all the time, the
person the shoot I would you see the video and
(43:55):
figure it out. It says, just to provide people's mind
that woman, Yeah, check this out. So you know, I'm
starting to understand that there are a lot of black
men that that truly believes black men do not love them.
I'm starting to really truly understand this. Uh uh, they
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think the worst of us initially, and uh they think
that black men don't just marry. And if you do,
we've stolen one of larry. So we can have a
cook in the maid at the house. Let me explain
something to you black lids that think like this. This
is strictly for the one who think this wife.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
Uh huh.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
A black man takes one a woman to be his
wife and to give her the last name for honor,
respect and love. That's why he do. And I'm approving
to you. The reason I peeve I can peeve this
is like this a black man can get. He pay
for me, He pay for a cook. Hell, a lot
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of us do in our fingers. Yep, you know we
also understand our soul. Our said positions in a woman
is provide protect and to give precisions. We are changing
to be the leaders of a household. That's part of
your by order is God, man, woman, and child. We
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understand that checking orders right a lens of life. I
say this to all my female things, and I'm sure
every's going to be alert me say this at least
one time in your life. A man is not going
to take care of anything we don't love.
Speaker 6 (45:35):
That's it, exactly, that's it. That's it right again, the
truth in fact, a man does not take care of
anything that he does not love. So that that man
the child to marry you, and he chose to be
devoted to you, he chose to be and you know
him to be an honorable man.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
Why is it that you you know, you don't believe
you should do the most right that I don't get
because anything that he does, you're going to be beneficial
to me. You're gonna be the beneficiation. So if God,
God gave the men a perfect right now, if he's
following that turkey or not, God gave that knit and
(46:17):
his purfect Now, if he's not following him this purpose,
you might be the thing that helped motivate him find
his personal right.
Speaker 4 (46:25):
If he's a good me, if he's a good knit,
he get off you undertender. That's joking first place.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
Right right, I think that, yeah, that was it.
Speaker 3 (46:37):
Okay, we're gonna run over a couple of minutes, it
looks like. But to what you just said and to
what Sweaty was saying, and how even even all three
of y'all when you're talking about not seeing their value
in the beginning but then learning, you know, learning as
you go along, and that man being patient enough with you,
because that was one thing that stood out to me,
and Sweaty was talking like that man being patient enough
(46:57):
with you to even withstand you not his value, but
expecting that you'll get it eventually, that you'll catch on.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
Because men don't have to do that either. They don't
have to be patient because you should already.
Speaker 3 (47:12):
There are some things that we at this point in life,
if you are thirty and over, there are some things
that you should have already unpacked before you even think
about entering into a relationship.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
When entering into a.
Speaker 3 (47:24):
Relationship, everybody comes with at least a personal and maybe
a carry on. If you're coming with check luggage, you
don't need to be going into the relationship. You need
to go back and unpack that, you know, consolidate or whatever.
Need to get yourself together before they even think about
getting a relationship. But so here's my question. Could it be, Keith,
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based off what you just said and Michelle and Swatie
see what y'all think. Could it be that women think
that black men or black women think that black men
don't love them because they refuse to see themselves as
a contributor to the pain that is consistently inflicted on
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black men.
Speaker 1 (48:12):
Meaning meaning.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
Hold on, meaning that meaning that we will when a
black man.
Speaker 3 (48:22):
Oh, for instance, there was a black man who was
respectful and approached the young lady and she put this
out on social media to get people's feedback and along
with the picture of the dress that she was wearing,
and he approached her and asked to take her on
a date. She then proceeded to say she thought she
was cute looking cute, so she sent him a picture
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and told him that she was ready. But the dress
was extremely short. If she had sat down, you would
have saw her vagina and in the front.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
Dropped so low.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
You saw that.
Speaker 3 (48:51):
And then he talked about right. He politely asked her.
He was like, is this is what you were wearing
on our date? She said yeah, He politely asked her
to change and told her why and explained that he
doesn't date women who exposed themselves in that way. Now
she could have said okay, but instead, instead she decided
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that she was going to, you know, pop off and
decide that she war you know what I'm saying, and
so could it be? Because see, here's the thing. We
don't like correction and we don't like conviction because see
when you responded that way, whether women want to admit
it or not, you feel convicted because you know it's wrong,
because that's the only reason you will respond that way.
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But conviction is supposed to her. It's supposed to not
feel good because it sparks change. Now you can either
decide to change or you can remain the same, and
again you will not get that position, that job.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
With that man.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
You know what I'm saying. Even more crazy about the
whole situation, the more thank you about the whole situation
is that man had a heightless value of to that part.
That part wouldn't need it, sure.
Speaker 2 (50:05):
And he knew his value as a mad and he
knew his value as a black man too.
Speaker 1 (50:11):
Let stay here. She knew this value. He went to
get co signers say. She was right, Yeah, this is
the sad thing about this. And I looked, I have
a I have an older woman.
Speaker 4 (50:26):
He's a mentor. And she told me, jingles winning the
cheap civil winner. Yep, the chiefs save one on.
Speaker 1 (50:35):
They will running a pack and they will they will
validate everything that they choose him. Are you right? I
mean he was gonna take you on the day that
he should have took you. Yeah, he I mean she
said it that just this is what the king was there,
get the morman the lady day. She said this with you,
She said, listen, the reason why party unity to take
(50:57):
account of building is because they interally feel share and
so nobody want to feel shamed. She said. When a
woman is all she instant feel shame. And I never
thought about it like that, she said it, and it
is absolutely She was like, yeah, you all have a
better you all have a better compass than that. You
are handling that a way, she said. But the reason
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why I believe is you know there there, you grew.
Speaker 4 (51:22):
Up as a girl. You and they do, she per
se you you have pivots such that she used she
used to work triggage. She has a woman, do you
have privilege and the baby born as a meal. You
don't you don't have any pivities to.
Speaker 1 (51:38):
Earn everything you did, right, absolutely, she said, this is,
She said, this is, and this is a dynamic and
just ish. I want to feel shamed. She said. A
woman can go through life and can purchaice it and
then finally get it together. And she'd think I got
it out the middle, and no, a bunch of folks
held a bunch of rights. You don't help no man,
(52:02):
man you right, fact exactly, and if you are a man,
you gotta figure it out. And if you can't help,
you a weak man. Yep, you all again. She said,
that's why he's all again. You have the better You
have a better understanding of your dog, your dog, and
you can accept it because the thing he is, you're
gonna fix it because you understand fixing it solves the problem,
(52:24):
right right, Women don't understand that because you know you're goal.
He instantly feels saying that we don't want to live
in there now, and that's change the life.
Speaker 5 (52:34):
I have to jump in right quick, because that's true
of some women, not all.
Speaker 1 (52:39):
I mean obviously all obviously you know I always say this.
The folk we need to look at the juy To fellers,
the exceptions like no, a of the bad things that
happen exceptionally in the black community, it is not to
That's just because then exception physics rule. Yes, you got
the battles out here and food, Yeah, you got some thridle.
(53:02):
He asked women out here to ask the feete his ten.
He's got some wolves here and that the jeti fis
world where women. You know here you do some buildings
women that that cmunity fee I gotta said old war
bumps break out. He don't th gueralis out here who
don't have any kind of emotional guidance you know, fare
well mutual intelligence. That's why they run around here, shoot
(53:24):
enough folks to chilling thom because they mad at the zero,
because they ain't give enough hugs or enough countries in
the chest from their daddy. Right, you know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (53:32):
Because he is that is it goes back to what
we were talking about before. That is because of what
they've done to break down the family unite. Both the
man and the woman have a role in the household
to make sure that the children are raised as well rounded.
(53:53):
Doesn't mean that just because you were raised from a
single parent, that you're not well rounded. It means that
you did not get the benefits interaction of being able
to see that you know.
Speaker 1 (54:06):
That your simns, your socialistic like exact until That's why
I'll surely believe big is why the Indian growing up
without the boy, without their father, their father treasure lurking
a rabblem at all. Finally ain't growing up emotionally unavailable
(54:27):
and detached. Yes, where they don't know how to they
don't know how to share their emotions, so they lashed
out with anger at all times. Okay, it's aggressionate anger,
and that's why you got the joys ut here for
you just falls out card if your Napolis see it
for the tepth of July, Yeah, to get shot. Yep.
They're a sixteen years old fourteen or sixteen years old?
(54:51):
Yeah okay, oh as the as we look atter your
a young lady down here, they are not through streetwalkers,
that's not even Dregg. That's how it's just crit because
it's like they have no stuff yet and it's all
to be. It's all for at tension and what it's
(55:14):
her feeling about that is you choose your humanity, bad decisions.
It ain't tuned. Steve, the mother with three children, if
I choose hit them baby daddy to still you two
in five years old. Yeah, the fact that become a norm, Yeah,
that is a norm. Yep, we got yep.
Speaker 2 (55:35):
We have about ten more minutes so we can wrap up.
Speaker 3 (55:39):
But I did want to say real quick that the
shame a lot of women, you know, feeling that way
when a man says something that feels like a man
can't say something. I tell men, just because women don't
like it, that doesn't mean you should shut up keep
saying it. Because somebody has to teach them. They didn't
have male role models or a father or somebody to
(55:59):
teach them. So where they learn it at twenty or
at sixty, they need to learn it. And they can't
say that they didn't know it because they heard it. Now,
whether or not they took heed to it, that's on them.
But you did your part. So And I also want
to say that for women who feel ashamed, that's because
they lack a village of women around them that will
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also hold them accountable and call them out and make
them take responsibility for their actions or lack thereof.
Speaker 2 (56:28):
And how they treat themselves and how they treat others.
Speaker 3 (56:31):
So if you run into women like that, then nine
times out of ten they don't have real true friends
that love them.
Speaker 2 (56:41):
Michelle, she's like a big sister to me. She's a
part of my family. And when I am wrong or
when I'm doing something or saying something, she gonna tell me.
I might not like it all the time. I might
not agree. You know, I might look at her like
she even lost her mind?
Speaker 1 (56:55):
Girl?
Speaker 2 (56:55):
Whatever wrong with her that right now?
Speaker 3 (56:57):
But what she said, what's right. It may be in
some type of way because she was right. You know
what I'm saying now. I get it together eventually. But
you know, you learn as you grow, as you evolve.
For those of us who do, you learn to love
that and accept that, because that is showing that you
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love them. Same thing with your children. When you don't care,
you allow your children to run roughshot and rampant. You
don't care what happens to them. But when you care,
you hold them accountable so that they know, hey, don't
do this. These are the consequences that will come after,
or this is what could happen, or this is the
lesson in that and so just be mindful. Women, get
you some friends, some true friends. That's gonna tell you
(57:39):
what you need to hear and not what you want
to hear. So can y'all give y'all last final thoughts
on the value of a black man. Y'a already know
what I said, everything I said. Y'all know what I think,
how I feel. You know the value of black men.
And I just want to say, black men, if nobody
ever told you, listen, you are valuable, You are needed,
you are loved, you are wanted by those of us
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who have sense, okay, focus on no, focus on the
people and women. Okay, not those who don't, because hey,
you either team right or team wrong.
Speaker 1 (58:11):
So sure well I'm gonna jump in here.
Speaker 5 (58:15):
The one thing, I was raised in a two parent household,
and I'm a daddy's girl. Had a wonderful brother, had
a wonderful father, and I literally, figuratively and spiritually looked
up to both of them, not because they were perfect,
but because I valued their interaction with me and their
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realness with me, even when, like Lady J said, I
didn't want to hear it. Instead of us always trying
to find the negative in every situation, we need to
start looking for the positive, because there's something good in
every individual, some of us. You gotta look a little
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harder and a little deeper, but it's still there. Our
black men are valuable. And I go back to my
original statement. If they were not valuable, there wouldn't be
so many people trying to demonize them because they are
threatened and intimidated simply by their presence. So I say
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this to every black man under the sound of my voice.
You were the first that God created. That's how valuable
you are. Don't allow nobody or not saying to make
you question your value. Be the king that you are,
and do what it is that you know you've been
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called to do, and allow your actions to speak for
you because you don't have to ever open your mouth.
Your present simply speaks value.
Speaker 1 (59:56):
Well. I love that.
Speaker 2 (59:57):
Thank you, Michelle. All Right, give you a final thought.
Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
I just want the black man to know his own
value and to think with his own mind and not
worry about others and all this because I won't brought
people black men to stop falling for the banana in
the tailpipe. And that goes from this white girl snow
Bunny Shindy Sharp type of situations getting institutionalized. That's another
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game that they played it to fall into thinking that
the streets have to be the way to go. Just
choose your own mind and it's okay to be different
and go against the green coup if everybody else is
doing it. That's how a lot of them get sucked
into it. That you have to individualize yourself to see
yourself work. You can't see yourself work in a group.
Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
That's right, That's right, that's good.
Speaker 4 (01:00:52):
I'm gonna finish up on celebrating somebody and also making
sure I did black yet his attention. I'm gonna stell
break my boy in the wire here he passed away.
He h did a inside from my understanding the back
here a couple of weeks ago. And what's hurtful about
(01:01:12):
that for me is I know the water type food.
I was running the big homes, Sila water. I was
a couple of years older than him, and I just
came to Dune two weeks before he passed away.
Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
He saw me at the shop. He rolled up on me. Yeah,
he got out the car and gave me. He talked
for a minute. He was like, nah, I don't go
out and me nothing. I was like, well, i'll tell
you what. He's gonna come over to the house. He's
gonna sit in the driveway. You're gonna smoke sigarette and
have to drink. He's like, oh, I'll do that with
the show. Cool. I don't know what he's going through,
you know what I'm saying. But hmm. It happened on
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a Wednesday, And on that day I was sitting there thinking,
I'm gonna hitting the line up on Friday so he
could sit in the sitting the driveway hitting me. Were
gonna have a couple of heads with Munca Sigar. I'm
gonna hit him up on dry mm hmm. And I
I couldn't find everything comes for them or it never
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came for us. And I wanted to see another reason
why this is important, How this conversation is Black men
this black men, there're the only ones that she.
Speaker 4 (01:02:18):
Decided rate's continually to creep up. Yeah, everybody else's demographic
has has fallen for hours. I want he's the only
ones that continuing to climb Black women, black white women,
white men, Latino women, you know, men, every anybody you
can think of their statistics of real tigers Rocky, I
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wanted to you don't consistently climbing. And that's that's another
reason why I wanted to have this conversation. Because we
all know at least one black man that died would
tell us, whether it be a brother, a father, and
grandfather and an uncle at a stun we all have
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at least done. And I want you to think about
it this way.
Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
That one that you have that's important to you, somebody
else has that one another one that's you're facing, and
you might not know that they're into it. So I
just want you to think time out Black Year, to
think about, you know, the under any kind of distress,
you talk to another back year that you know, luve, trust,
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or even just like.
Speaker 4 (01:03:29):
And have a conversation. We ain't got to talk about
what's bothering you just talk about just talking about Stenson.
If you get find out that somebody values you in
a way that you didn't have to think they valued you,
and that might just change your thoughts on dealing what
it is that you're thinking and the saying Okay, I'm
gonna go one more day and see what happens.
Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
Yeah, Oh that's why when it is on man, this
was such a great conversation, and you know, and thank
you to our guest Sweaty Hens and Michelle, thank you
for joining us tonight. And you know, thank you for
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