Should the Steelers gamble on their next QB in the NFL Draft?

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to the Underground, The steel City Underground, the black
and gold standard for Pittsburgh Steelers coverage. Now here's your hoes.
Joe Kuzma and Brian E. Rose.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hello everyone, and welcome to another edition of the steel
City Underground podcast. My name is Joe Kuzma. Joined here
on my side is always a one mister Briandy Roach, Brian,
How you doing, my friend?

Speaker 3 (00:32):
I am doing great? In fact, this is this is
this is an epic moment in history. This is a
day that will live in infamy. And the reason for
that is I am actually prepared for this conversation. I
don't even know what got into me. I'm prepared, I
have I have statistics, things I don't actually care about.
I'm ready to go.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Man, Brian is so ready to go. Look at that he's.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
It's off centered.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
You're usually off center at anyways, my friend, I just
thought that was so I thought it was funny because
I didn't show you yet that you weren't like on screen.
There he's adjusting, now get it in there. Awesome. You know,
I'm kind of getting tired of hearing the Pittsburgh Steelers

(01:18):
don't know what they're doing with the quarterback position. Right,
there's memes that are out there, there's people who say
that it's a laughing stock. Could they have made some
different decisions. Regardless of an Aaron Rodgers decision, whether he
would join the team or not, the Steelers are probably
in the same position that they would be this year,
next year, somewhere in the near future because Aaron Rodgers

(01:41):
isn't a long term solution.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
I saw one of the worst takes of the week
last week, and this one will get you, Brian. It
was somebody that said cheap and upgrade, and Rogers' name
was put in that, along with Justin Fields, along with
Sam Darnold and Geno Smith. And to the life of me,
I mean Fields, Okay, Fields, maybe a little cheaper, twenty

(02:04):
million on average for a quarterback, not too shabby, but
everybody else is in the thirty plus stratosphere. Sam Darnold
three for one hundred million, whatever, Gino Smith's getting an
extension with the Raiders. Gino Smith and Sam Darnald don't
come off to me as upgrades. Aaron Rodgers forty one
going on forty two. Maybe his best days are beyond him.
Maybe you'd give a little bit of a bet. Maybe

(02:26):
you might be able to give a benefit of a doubt.
But he's got to do something, as we said on
the last show, that nobody else has done. Tom Brady
did it, maybe Warren Moon or Brett Farv and that's
actually have a good season when you're forty one or older.
Tom Brady obviously won a Super Bowl. And then who's
the other guy, justin Fields, who's a complete unproven and
sure as hell didn't look like an upgrade throwing for

(02:47):
one hundred and fifty yards a game in fifty yards
rushing here or there. Yeah, ten total touchdowns, five with
his feet, five in the air. That's not even two
per game. He started six games.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
How's that another?

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Oh? Like, I'm just looking at this like everybody's laughing
at the Steelers, But I say the Steelers are laughing
because the Steelers are looking at other teams around the NFL.
We're gonna look at a little bit of a historical draft,
of kind of perspective, because we don't fully believe here
that while you do have to find your future quarterback
in the draft, they're not gonna be a free agent.

(03:21):
Maybe you trade, but then that might not work either.
It's really a crapshoot. It's a big gamble. There's a
lot of risk. This is like, this is the quarterback lottery,
and the Steelers they're gonna have to play it, and
they're gonna have to play until they win.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
Yes, Like I hate banging the same drum over and
over again, and I feel like I have no choice
right because nobody listens, so I need to bang the
drum louder it. It really doesn't matter where you pick
your quarterback. It does too a little, and I'll get
into that at some point during this conversation. But it's

(03:57):
a crap shoot. It's a crapshoot with any player. But
you know I did I did some in depth, in
depth analysis determining where are the best success rates for
drafting quarterbacks or any other position. So I'm ready to go.
I've got my facts back backing this up. And here's
what it says, more than anything else, it doesn't matter

(04:20):
where you draft a quarterback, you gotta better than unless
they're in the top ten picks. Unless you're drafting a
quarterback in the top ten picks, you got a better
than fifty percent chance that they're going to be a bust.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
Yeah, we're gonna look at that. I'm saying. There's probably
people already giggling. They probably don't know as well. If
you're new here, welcome, don't forget the like comment, Subscribe
at least subscribe. Yeah. Hello. Usually we say our two
percenters listening to the end of the show, we need
to know that some of you skip around. We've got
some good content today. Before I dive into the draft,

(04:56):
let's talk about the ways that you could acquire a quarterback.
Let's talk about the the Steelers have already done it.
You can go and try and get somebody in the
middle rounds and develop them and hope that they stick
around long enough to outlast or supersede the guy that's
already there, which would have been Ben Roethlisberger. Those picks
that were already made would have been Mason Rudolph and
Josh Dobbs the year or so before him, and I

(05:18):
mean Landry Jones to a lesser extent, I think was
just be he's just there to maybe be a quality backup.
I don't really know. That was always like a head
scratcher for me. And they traded in order to get
Landry Jones and also with Mason Rudolph to move up.
They moved maneuvered in a draft for quarterbacks. But now
these guys were really looked at to be the future.
It's like, why didn't they plan in advance? And it's
like the succession rate isn't very good either the Brockasweiler

(05:42):
behind a Peyton Manning in Denver or I mean, the
only people who have done it's the Packers. We don't
know if Jordan loves the guy yet, but you could
go and you could trade for a quarterback. Usually players
don't become available in a trade unless something's wrong. Deshaun
Watson lots of accusations, lawsuits, legal stuff, trouble off the field,

(06:07):
and we'll come back to him in a second. But
Russell Wilson to Denver. Another example, we saw Jared Goff
and Matt Stafford get swapped. That's one where it worked
out for both teams. But it usually does not. That
does not happen to be the case, or you have
somebody that ends up being a free agent somewhere. I mean,
Kirk Cousins just went to the Falcons last year and

(06:28):
he's now due to be the highest paid backup quarterback
four years, one hundred and eighty million. His first two
years pretty much fully guaranteed one hundred million and guarantees.
He had a fifty million signing bonus, all for them
to try and figure it out. And that's not a
team that made the playoffs, right, You have teams that
move up in the draft. Panther's moving up for Bryce Young.
It's a team that already had a lot of problems.

(06:50):
They were already what we would call a poverty franchise,
not well run, not a lot of talent. So what
do they do. They give up DJ Moore. They trade
two firsts and then two seconds in order to get
the Bears first, and Bryce Young got bench last year
for Andy Dalton right Jets. Jets tried it for Aaron Rodgers.

(07:11):
Aaron Rodgers took a little bit of a pay cut,
but they gave up a first round pick. They had
a lot of talent around him. Didn't work. Deshaun Watson
with the Browns the more famous one, obviously, with his
off field problems. The Browns gave up three first round picks.
They gave up a third and fourth in multiple years,
so there were three more picks there. And I think
an extra pick swap and ripped up his contract.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
For trade of all time. Trade trade ever happened.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
Two thirty two hundred and thirty million guaranteed that screwed
up the quarterback market for years to come at the
time landmark deal all guaranteed money and Russell Wilson right
behind that. Falling out of favor with the Seahawks going
to the Broncos. The Broncos gave up two firsts, two seconds,
a fifth, Drew Locke, Shelby Harris, and Noahfan So three

(08:02):
guys that were starters with the team various degrees of success,
and then they ripped up that contract made it five years,
two hundred and forty five million, which allowed the Steelers
to sign Russell Wilson last year for about a million
in change. Steelers had nothing invested into kicking the tires
on Russell Wilson. The Steelers gave up a conditional sixth
could have been as high as a fourth for Justin Fields.

(08:23):
Might be another reason why Fields didn't play as much,
but they probably weren't playing on playing them in the
first place. He was brought in to be a backup.
You sign Russell Wilson, you're not signing Russell Wilson to
be your backup at that time the competition that wasn't
because Wilson was hurt for all of camp, so Field's
got to play all that time. They got to kick
the tires, decided he wasn't the guy didn't bring him back.
Maybe they had an offer, maybe they didn't. Can he

(08:45):
pick it twenty? Where was he twentieth overall, twenty second overall?
Somewhere in the same range they got.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
To show twenty twenty.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
We'll see it when we go through the list, but
in the same range they are this year. They gave
up no extra picks to get in that spot, and
they're pick to get Kenny Pickett. People will say, well,
they burned the first round pick. Maybe they could have
got them in the second. Maybe they could have got
him in the third, and maybe you know, horseshoes and
hand gary aids. The only thing they close counts at
and Mitchell Trubisky. I think something like twelve million dollars

(09:14):
with incentives when they signed him two years twelve million
missing someone Mason we already talked about, but he was
still on the roster. They extended them rare four million
dollars They are not giving out five years, four years,
nearly two hundred million dollars for any of these guys
to kick the tires and see if they're the starters.
What they're what I am saying the Steelers are shouldn't

(09:36):
be the laughing stock is well, it might be comical
that they go through all of these paces. There's former
Super Bowl winning quarterbacks and next equation, there's guys that
have won playoff games. There are guys that were former
first round picks, and there's guys that you develop tried
to develop in house, and none of them have seemingly
stood out to be the man to be the long

(09:57):
term franchise quarterback. But at the same time, they didn't
give up starting players, first round picks, oodles of money
where you can't sign other people, you can't draft cheaper alternatives,
and the rest of your roster suffers. No, they have
won games with these quarterbacks, and they have made it
to the playoffs. I know that they have it won

(10:17):
a playoff game in a month of you know, a
month of Sundays.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
That's disheartening.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
Obviously, you want to see Mike Touman break that streak.
I know that people say that winning seasons are mediocre
or whatever. But you look at you look at all
the teams that I named, and wouldn't they killed just
to have a ten win season and a playoff appearance.
That would mean that they're at least building and heading
towards something brighter. It's a failure only by the standard
of Steelers fans because every year has to be a

(10:45):
super Bowl. It's been about fifteen years now, folks. So
now they have to find the next guy after Ben Roethlisberger,
and I think our show is going to keep dive
a little bit, Brian, as you were saying that. In
order to do that, you have to go into the
draft and maybe make a little bit of a risk
on an unknown because otherwise you're giving up too much

(11:07):
or in either salary or draft picks and handicapping the
future of your team that isn't going to be successful.
Even if you do find the quarterback, then you got
problems elsewhere. Look at the Cincinnati Bengals and their defense
for example. Right. So, I don't know where you go

(11:28):
with this in the draft, and it's more like a
powerball ticket, but I think we agree on one thing
or the way. The quarterback position is valued, and the
Steelers wait beyond the first round or outside of the
top fifty picks. Even I'll give you into the second
round to find that future quarterback. And I'm going to
say probably not very few guys outside of the top

(11:50):
fifty end up being reliable NFL starters.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
I'm going to give you some more, some more data.
Like I told you, I'm prepared, I'm going to give
you some more data on this. Okay, are you ready
for this? This is this? This will knock your socks off.
I think to a little to a certain degree of
quarterbacks drafted in the first round, forget anywhere wherever in
the first round. And what I'm using as an evaluation

(12:15):
for success here is they made a Pro Bowl. That's
how low my bar of successes.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
Oh man, they made a Pro Bowl? Was a Pro
bowler last year?

Speaker 3 (12:26):
All right, here's the thing. Here's the thing. If you
use something that's much more success oriented, like won a
Super Bowl or made it to a Super Bowl. Guess what.
Since twenty eleven, you got one guy drafted in the
first round who has led his team to a Super
Bowl victory? Can you guess who it was? Pat Drafts? Oh?

Speaker 2 (12:47):
There, you go. Yeah, it's good to say because Stafford
Stafford was before that. There's guys who've gotten there, but
there's guys have got.

Speaker 3 (12:55):
There but won. Okay, so you got about forty forty
four percent of first round drafted quarterbacks are successful forty
four percent. You go to rounds two to seven, that
number drops to twelve point one percent successful. That's the difference. Now,

(13:19):
top ten, you got the best chance sixty something percent,
sixty four percent. I think anything after that and you're
at forty six percent. Where are you gonna find a
quarterback and give yourself the best opportunity? And I've been
banging this wagon for a long time now, probably since
before Ben was drafted. But you are going to find

(13:44):
a franchise quarterback and give yourself the best chance of
finding that guy in the first ten picks. If you're
gonna do that, one of two things has to happen.
You have to suck bad or you have to give
away so much draft capital that your hands stringing yourself. Anyway.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
Yeah, and we can look at even the first pick
overall hasn't been the most successful. I was debating on
how I'm not going to go through every draft, but
I'm gonna go through at least you know this this
century since two thousand or even ninety nine. Tim Couch
to the Cleveland Browns nineteen ninety nine, then they had
Courtney Brown the following year, because they have back to back,
because you.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
Need to take the Browns drafting quarterbacks out of the equation.
They've just not done with.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
They're actually a prime they're a prime example. But it's
also an example of I mean, just the Watson thing,
you know, and who knows what they do this year?
Will they look for Shador Sanders. A lot of people
are saying Abduel Carter is going to be the guy
and they're gonna go defense should be that's who they
should pick.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
They should pick Abduel Carter, or they should pick the
cornerback from Colorado.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
Yeah, I don't see they should pick. I am not
going to disagree with you, So I should say that
ninety eight was Peyton Manning. I mean, we're going way
back then it was him Couch. These are top overall pick.
That was a quarterback, right, Michael Vick. Two thousand and one,
David Carr to the expansion Houston Texans, Carson Palmer, Eli

(15:11):
Manning Alex Smith, JaMarcus Russell, Matt Stafford, Sam Bradford, Cam
Newton did play in a Super Bowl. Andrew Luck. Andrew Luck.
Now for them to get Andrew Luck, the Colts had
a full year without Peyton Manning where they were playing
Christian Ponder or somebody and not a good not a
good site for them. But they had to stink right.

(15:34):
Jamis Winston to the Buccaneers twenty fifteen, Jared Goff the
following year to the Rams. Then you have the Browns
take Miles, Garrett and Nam back to back number one
overall picks. Again. They end up taking Bicker Mayfield in
twenty eighteen. That's an interesting draft. We'll look at Kyler Murray,
Joe Burrow, Trevor Lawrence, and then some still to be
determined stories on Bryce Young and Caleb Williams in each

(15:58):
of the last two drafts. Now, I don't want to
go back that far, go back a little. Maybe, let's
go to the winstonft well I got twenty thirteen draft
actually picked up picked the already and that was a
year where EJ. Manuel is the only guy who goes
in the first round, sixteenth overall, Gino Smith thirty ninth.
That's it for your top fifties. Out of that, Mike Glennon,

(16:20):
Matt Barkley, Ryan Nassib, Tyler Wilson, Landry Jones, and then
we don't even want to name the other guys, right,
So take me a second to set these up as
I go through each of them, but you kind of
get the idea already. This was the following year. The
top quarterback taken was Blake Bortles. He was the third
overall pick by the Jacksonville Jaguars. And let's see who

(16:44):
was taken. Let's see who was taken after absolutely hate
ads on these pages. Let's see Blake Bortles. And then, oh,
Johnny Manziel. How did I forget Johnny man Good old
Johnny Manziel. Twenty second to the Cleveland Browns. The Vikings trade. Yeah, yeah,
he made some money, Teddy Bridgewater Vikings went back into

(17:07):
the first round, getting the quarterback in the first round.
So there's a few things. There's the valuation of the teams,
who all are they competing with that they have to
leap over in order to take these quarterbacks, and that's
how some of them, that's how you end up getting
three the six quarterbacks taken in the first round. Plus
way the quarterback contracts are these years. You know, we're

(17:28):
talking about fifty million dollars for guys. That fifty year
option ends up being a bargain discount if you can,
even if you give them that money and then extend
them out and do whatever you can, massage your cap
a little bit more. But after that, Derek Carr, Jimmy
Garoppolo's outside of the top fifty mid you know, with

(17:48):
Garoppolo done right.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
Well speaking just let's just stop there for a second. Yeah,
when you talk about second apparently second round drafted quarterbacks
are very rare, all right, there aren't a ton of them,
Like you get out of the first round. Second round,
you don't draft that many, and then all of a
sudden it's third round and lower. Okay, But of the
second round quarterbacks, the only ones that maybe you could
consider successful Derek Carr and Jimmy Garoppolo. How successful are they?

Speaker 2 (18:16):
And that's back in twenty fourteen, man, that's over ten
years ago. Now, Logan Thomas, Tom Savage, Aaron Murray, AJ mccerrin,
Zach Mettenberger, etc. So now we move along and let's
see We're gonna go to the twenty fifteen NFL draft,

(18:36):
of which Jamis Winston and Marcus Mariota were the number
one and number two overall picks. We know how that
worked out.

Speaker 3 (18:46):
Just look at that. Look at that draft. There's your
two guys, two guys touted. These are gonna be marquee guys.
These are gonna be franchise quarterbacks. These guys are gonna
take their teams nowhere. That's where they took their teams nowhere.
Neither one of them had won, Jack, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
And that draft after that wasn't very great either. Garrett Grayson,
Sean mannyon, Bryce Petty. I mean there was nobody taken
in the second round. There you go.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
There's three names that you remember completely.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
Right, Grayson seventy five overall. Trevor Simmons in this list,
he was almost mister irrelevant. Fifty.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
There's a name at least I remember he made a
Pro Bowl.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
He made a Pro Bowl, all right.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
Twelve point one percent part of the twelve point one.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
The twenty sixteen draft. Two guys with top overall once again,
Jared Goff, Carson Wentz and then went like Joey Bosakill
Elliot James.

Speaker 3 (19:40):
Does that Carson Wentz pick look good now? Right?

Speaker 2 (19:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (19:43):
And so in hindsight, what a pick.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
Yeah, I mean, that's tough for Philadelphia. They had to
do something, and it's weird how it worked out. Since
he got hurt. He was having like an MVP season.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
He was, he was having a great year, and he
never was the same again, maybe never the same. Maybe
he'd have been the guy if he doesn't.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
Get hurt, you never know, and Nick Foles goes to
Disneyland or whatever, gets the car, you know, at the
Super Bowl and never to be heard of again. Either.
It's a really weird draft because there's another first round
pick twenty sixth overall to the Denver Broncos, who were
still they were doing everything, man, I mean the Broncos.
They signed Joe Flacco at one point at case Keenum Simeon,
the seventh rounder even played some. They take Paxton Lynch here,

(20:24):
they'll end up taking Drew Locke a little later, and
then bo Nick's they had Brock Osweiler was a second
round pick, but he was well before all of this too,
And I remember it was it was him or von
Miller for the franchise tag and they took von Miller
instead of Oswiler, and then Osweiler ended up, you know,
leaving town and got a ludicrous contract with the Houston Texans,

(20:44):
like four years, eighty million at the time or whatever
it was, which we would probably still sneeze at to
this day. And I mean that's off top of my head,
I don't remember it. But if you remember, just outside
of the top fifty, pick fifty one, New York Jets
take Christian Hackenberg and out of Penn State Jacoby Prissett.
Right after that, Cody kesslo to the Brown's third round

(21:05):
pick ninety three, Connor Cook. Dak Prescott slides all the
way down. He's an exception to the role that people
love to bring up. And there was a lot of
you know, I think character issues or off field there
was something like something dramatic that ended up being completely false. Wrung.
He shouldn't have slid that far, but he did. Dallas,
being the team that they are, took a chance and

(21:26):
he's the highest paidment.

Speaker 3 (21:28):
One of the quarterbacks right now. Don't care, don't care
what's he won, what has he won? Right after the
investment that you've put in that guy. Is he his success?
All right? And remember this is I'm talking directly to
the Steelers fans who were whining about mediocrity, all right,
whining about the the Tomlin win streak, whinding about one

(21:50):
and done in playoff games. Would you rather have had
Dak Prescott and spent that kind of money for Dak
Prescott over the period of years. I'm just saying, right,
it doesn't. It's not unique to us. This is a
this is a struggle we will go through until we
find the next franchise quarterback. And there's a good chance

(22:11):
that whoever the next guy is ain't gonna win us
a super Bowl either, so we'll see.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
Yeah, super Bowls are rare, and you need other luck,
other not only at the quarterback position. But you get Okay,
you jumped to twenty seventeen, and I actually didn't realize
that Mahomes was tenth overall. But he wasn't the first
quarterback taken, and he was not. Mitchell Trubisky was second
overall of the Bears. Mahomes goes tenth to Kansas City,

(22:38):
Watson twelfth to the Texans. Looked like a good pick
at the time. Actually, you know, he bawled when he
was there. You're talking about this guy like he's taking
off in his career is limitless. He's got a rocket
pack until all the you know what went down after that,
Deshaun Kaiser, Davis Webb, second round of the Browns Kaiser
fifty two overall, Davis Webb. It's a third rounder and

(23:00):
then you're out of the top one hundred where it's CJ. Bethard,
Josh Dobbs, Nate Peterman, Brad Kaya, Chad Kelly, and you're
and then you're out of it. That's it for the
twenty seventeen draft.

Speaker 3 (23:11):
I want to say something about DeShawn because I'm going
to say this and I'm likely to say it about
a few other guys too. I think we get caught
up in the excitement that they bring, right, Deshaun Watson
was an exciting player to watch. He was captivating to watch.
He didn't win consistently. He failed enough, right, So you know,

(23:32):
if you're looking for you know that. If that's what
you want, hey, great, I just want to be excited.
I want to have fun watching the game. I don't
care if we win all the all the prizes or whatnot.
I just want to have fun, and the problem with it,
those guys tend to get hurt. Those guys tend to
burn out. Michael Vick was one of those guys. He
was dynamic, he was amazing, He was fun to watch,

(23:54):
didn't win crap.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
Yeah, the whole Watson one is, you know, it's it's
interesting because Watson he's putting up some like, Uh, I
hate saying Pro Bowl numbers. When I say Pro Bowl,
I mean like Pro Bowl without the fan vote, without
the other.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
All pro the pro level numbers.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
Yeah, and I mean all pro including second team. Right.
He was in the MVP conversation, So he was there
until he wasn't and kind of looked at yourself with
the Browns like, and a guy that was out of
football this long without an injury is come back in
and do whatever. And apparently the answers know and it

(24:34):
just it does. It baffles a lot of people. But
all that guaranteed money wasn't a whole lot of incentive.
He had to actually work for that money. Maybe it
would have worked been different, it have been different, I
don't know. Twenty eighteen Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold one in
three overall. There then it's Josh Allen, who's the only
guy here of these three names so far it's still

(24:57):
with their original team. A lot of the guys I
mentioned aren't with the same and even you know, second
or third teams it took in order to find some success.
Now do I think.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
Dark I thought about that as a measure of success.
Who gets a second contract?

Speaker 2 (25:09):
Right?

Speaker 3 (25:09):
Who gets a second contract with the team? Numbers just
dropped very low.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
Well, in a second contract for a quarterback that's taken
in the first round, especially in the top five picks.
Some other team's gonna look and say, I think this
was Bill Pollion on the.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
Series second contract with their original team. Yeah, right, that's
that's the denation of success, not that you got a
second contract, second contract with your original team. Okay.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
I think Pollion was the one that was saying, or
they quoted Pollyon as saying it might have been one
of the other hosts that said they were talking them.
They're like, why would you? Oh, I know who it was.
It might have been Todd Haley, And I think he
was talking about Bill Parcells actually, because I think Haley
was a scout with the Jets when Parcells was over there.
And he was talking about, you know you will kick

(25:57):
kick the tires, like you know what? This guy a
top overall pick? Why made this guy a top ten
or top five pick? Did the other team that was
the coaching bad? Was the scouting bad? Did they get
it that wrong? And in this draft, Josh Rosen goes
after Josh Allen. He's the fourth quarterback take and he's
tenth overall to the Cardinals. Ands like been through seven teams,

(26:19):
mostly on practice squads. Teams will still keep giving him
a contract, but he's done. I mean they they they
got they tossed him immediately the following year and they
had a shot at Kyler Murray. Of course, Lamar Jackson
is in this conversation. The Ravens jump back in in
order to take him in the first round. And then
you've got You've got the Steelers current quarterback Mason Rudolph

(26:43):
and he's picked seventy six overall in the third round.
He is followed up by Kyle la Aletta, Mike White,
Luke falk Tanner, Lee, Danny Ettling, and Alex mcgo oh.
And Logan Woodside's in there too. Logan Woodside was the
very last quarterback taken to say, Bengals in the sefth round.
Three guys in the seventh round. None of these guys

(27:03):
really high. Mason third, la Letta fourth, and then everybody
else after that. You know, I don't want to waste
my breath too much on some of them. You get
the point there, But I'm still gonna do this because
this is a very painful exercise and you're risking. What
risk do you have for a quarterback? Picking at what level?
And obviously the higher the pick, the more the risk.

(27:23):
But there's also the risk you don't get this guy
unless you use that higher pick, and you still don't
know how it's going to turn out.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
Absolutely. Look, I'm gonna just go over this real quick, right,
So I'll ask you a couple of questions. Come back
on camera. Don't don't leave me on here by myself
on hot on the camp. I'm gonna hide. Well, don't hide,
because I'm gonna ask you questions. You have to be
there so you can answer. If you had to guess
what position is the most successful when drafted in the
first round, what position would you guess?

Speaker 2 (27:53):
It's not gonna be ho, give me a second on
I'm going to say a pass rusher type might end.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
There's not many tight ends and this is this is
best based on getting a second contract with the team
that they started with. Okay, so tight ends seventy three
point three percent of tight ends drafted in the first
round get a second contract with their team. Next, seventy
percent of interior offensive linemen. And that doesn't surprise me, right,

(28:24):
offensive linemen draft drafted in the first round almost universally succeeds.
Not almost, that's a little that's I'm elaborating a little
bit there. Seventy percent though, seventy percent.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
And these are positions that usually don't go in the
first round. Maybe that's why the success rate is so scattered,
because Hi, you could find these guys later, like Zach
Fraser going in the second.

Speaker 3 (28:44):
Safeties seventy one percent, offensive tackle seventy three, defensive interior
alignment sixty eight point two. All right, now I'm gonna
get to the next one. What do you think is next?

Speaker 2 (29:00):
Uh? For what success rate? Success rate or failure rate?
After all of that, After all of that, I could see, Okay,
you got me on the spot.

Speaker 3 (29:09):
I mean I have to. It's I got to be
defensive linemen running backs.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
Running backs. That's that's actually shocking. And but your crea
is the extra contract, right, it's.

Speaker 3 (29:20):
The extra contract. Then it's linebackers, then it's cornerbacks, then
it's edge wressers. Guess what position outside of quarterback as
the worst because there's only one left? Wide receivers only
twenty seven percent about wide receivers.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
Where's the corners out on this? They fell quite a
bit corners fifty okay, coin flip wide receivers.

Speaker 3 (29:44):
Twenty seven percent of wide receivers drafted in the first
round get a second contract with their original drafted team.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
Wow, that is something, man, I'm Brian there with you
know what Brian I told you I had. I was
on this shit this time. Come at me, come at me,
don't taste me, bro anyway, twenty eighteen, we're gonna still
this is still there's more pain, folks. We have not

(30:13):
gone through all the pain. We haven't done this for
a long time. We went through these lists a few
years ago when it was like find Ben's replacement, We're like, no,
screw that, you need, not a wide receiver and not
whatever other position you said. Use this on something else
to put somebody good next to ben instead of on
the sideline, maybe with the near piece and hold it.

(30:35):
They don't even have a helmet for that day. Why
would you put that so this is the reason why.
That's the reason why. But Kyler Murray first overall, twenty eighteen,
Daniel Jones six those surprising to the Giants, Dwayne Haskins
rest in peace, fifteenth overall, and now you're out of
the first round. Haskins of course going to whatever Washington

(30:56):
was named at the time. Drew Locke is in the
top fifty. It was forty second to the Denver Broncos
who were still doing their search. Will Greer. Third round
one hundred pick one hundred on the money for the Panthers,
and then fourth round and below, Ryan Finley, Jared Stidham,
Easton Stick, Gardner, Minshew's in here, Trace mcsorley's in here.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
Wait a minute, go back and say Easton Stick. That
just that's a guy whose parents played a lot of baseball,
and they just were like, what are names for bats? Easton?
Our last name is Stick. That's a bat, right a
bat is That's just a terrible name.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
He got the Carson Wentz rubbed from North Dakota State
too a little bit, and I think Trey Lance ends
up with this a little bit later. Win's Trey coming
out here. We're close because Joe Burrow comes out as
the top overall pick in twenty twenty, and then it's surefire.
You see what he did. He had a ridiculous team
around him with Justin Jefferson and Jamar Chase everything, So

(31:51):
that wasn't surprising. It would have been more surprising if
he wasn't any good, which we've seen happen. Fifth overall
to at taga Iloa Herbert sixth overall and closing out
the first round Green Bay twenty sixth overall, Jordan Love
Jalen Hurt sneaks in here in the second round, fifty
third overall, and then you have nobody else until pick

(32:12):
one twenty two. In the fourth round, it goes Jacob Easin,
it goes James Morgan, Jake from Jake Luton and or
Luton or I don't even remember. You're in the seventh
round now, Cole McDonald, Ben Denucci, Tommy Stevens, Nate Stanley,
just a bunch of After that, it wasn't a very
good draft. And I don't even know, like I still

(32:33):
don't know what a career path of a Herbert or
a Taiger Filoa is.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
We don't, but it brings up a point. It's like
I'm talking. When I'm talking about success rates, right, I'm
using a measured quantity, because in no way am I
saying to a Tiger Blobola is a bad quarterback, or
that Justin Herbert is a bad quarterback. Right. Those guys
are picks that are going to be solid members of
their team and have proved to be, but they're not
obviously winning super bowls left and right. Let's go way

(33:01):
back into the dark ages. How many super Bowls did
Dan Marino win? Remind me, potentially one of the greatest
quarterbacks in the history of the NFL. How many Super
Bowls did Dan Marino win? There you go, big fat
Harry zero. It has so much to do with the
team that you've put around those guys, Right, but you

(33:24):
still can't have you know, some clunker dude in that position. Well,
I guess the point I'm making. You can have the
best guy there, but if you cannot fulfill out the
rest of your team, you're not going anywhere. You can
have a guy that is not the best, but is
very good, and you as long as you've built the

(33:45):
rest of your team out, you might have a chance. Right,
It's just rare, that's the point. It's rare. These guys
may be great, but this concept that we have to
win the Super Bowl every year, we just kind of
have to get over that. That's just not realistic.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
And you would think the Jaguars, you know, perpetual poverty franchise.
Here they take Trevor Lawrence number one overall three quarterbacks
at the top of the twenty twenty one draft kicked
off with Lawrence Zach Wilson to the Jets Trey Lance,
who the forty nine ers out. It's kind of surprising
the forty nine ers didn't take as much damage to

(34:20):
their team. And the only reason is is that they
happened to find Bryce Petty somewhere in here. And he's
a serviceable guy or bright I'm sorry, not Bryce Bryce
Petty brock Perty. Bryce Petty's the guy and mentioned like
two three drafts. I thought Bryce Petty was a race car. No,
that was that's Kyle and Richard anyways, But I used

(34:42):
to love the Richard Petty the STP car, you know,
like a race card I'm not much. I'm not much,
but here are there. Man do it once or twice.
It's fun to go to. I love the fact that
I could just take my own cooler to like a
NASCAR kind of thing. In legendary number two forty three.

(35:02):
We know that as Steelers fan, so Richard for Richard
Petty by the way. But anyways, Trey Lance justin fields
eleventh overall. He's the fourth quarterback taken in the draft.
It's even at eleven, like you're getting maybe the if
everything works out on paper, that the way it's it's

(35:23):
laid out, he's the fourth best guy in theory. That
doesn't mean that all the other teams got it right.
Mac Jones was fifteenth overall to the New England Patriots.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
Right after that, Kyle Toy's nice to hear dough boy
being brought up again.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
Kyle Trask drafted to back up Tom Brady at the
time for the Tip Bay Buccaneers in the second round,
sixty fourth overall. And that's near the end of the
second round, because the third round picked sixty six. Just
a couple of picks. After Kellen Mond goes to the Vikings,
Davis Mills at sixty seven to the Houston Texans. Then
you're out of the top one hundred Ian book, Sam Ellinger,

(35:58):
that's it. That's it, No somebody else. Twenty twenty one
out of the and we already seen how that's played out.
That's three years ago to develop all of these quarterbacks,
and several of those guys have already bounced around the league.
Their their careers are kind of done, as Zach Wilson
and Trey Lance, and I know COVID had a lot
to had a big impact on some of this too,

(36:20):
but not so much when you go back to Winston
and Mariota even you can't use that as the excuse.
So twenty twenty two, I think this might be the
last one I go through, really because we really this
is Kenny Pickett's draft, right, And we remember talking about
all of these different players that were coming out, and
you didn't even think the Pickett would make it to
pick twenty. So I was right, it wasn't twenty one,

(36:42):
and it was picked twenty.

Speaker 3 (36:43):
Some of them. Some of us did think he'd make
it to twenty maybe the Saints. Some of us thought
nobody should pick him.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
Saints had just say Saints had two picks, I think,
and you know there was that danger or they ended
up trading and getting another picked. Leading up to the draft,
Carolina Panthers needed a quarterback. I think there was even
talk about the Lions was GoF the guy because there
was quite a bit of bouncing around and flip flopping.
But can you pick it ends up there? But remember

(37:13):
how highly touted, how in love we were with the
Desmond Ritter story coming out of Cincinnati getting into the
college football playoff.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
Tomlin was in love with who was in love with
that story?

Speaker 2 (37:25):
Apparently everybody. All the draft knicks are out there, Draft Twitter,
draft knicks, the draft Twitter. You know, they built these guys.
They build the guys up there. All these guys are
first round picks. You're gonna have a hundred first round
picks before all the mock drafts are done.

Speaker 3 (37:37):
But I wish I could. I just don't have the
patience to go research how successful Draft Twitter is at
what they do. But I bet you it's worse than
the wide receiver rate.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
It is because everybody's doing it for you know, clicks,
They're doing it for engagement.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
You know what I have faith in. I'm gonna give
him a call out because I haven't talked about him
in a while. I have faith in our mister, Zach
professor of football.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
Matchler, not not Flash. I have faith Flash, I.

Speaker 3 (38:06):
Faith and Flash. He gets too enamored of wide receivers
and offensive guys anyway, But that's beside the point. Zach
Zach Meckler, the professor of football. I have faith in
his ability. I think he's he's a very good guy.
But you know, he's busy. He's he's he's actually working
in the field.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
So yeah, that's true. He gets to see a lot
of it. He's always had a he just said, a
good mind. You're right. I'm like, I tend to agree,
and it's not because we just agree, it's just, you know,
sometimes he has an insight. He's still floating around back there,
but you don't have him on camera as much anymore.
I think he can get it's conflict of interest to
talk about things, so but still a good friend of
the show. Can he Pickett? Desmond Rader goes seventy fourth.

(38:45):
That's third round. Malik Willis first round.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
Great.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
Remember we were talking about, well we might be might
be him. Yeah, that is where I'm at right now.
With Shalen Milroe out of Alabama. I'm getting that Melik
Willis vibe at This is National Liars Month, and everyone's
gonna talk up his athleticism. They're going to talk up
all these other things, and he might be a third
or fourth round pick by the time he gets his

(39:10):
name called. So just get those same vibes. Matt Corral, Bailey, Zappi,
Sam Howe, Chris Olodokin, Skyler Thompson, Brock Purty, Sam Rock
Party and Brock Party better than everybody here. Maybe, I
don't know. I think we're gonna find out what kind
of contract Brock Party and the forty nine ers agree to,
because I think if he goes anywhere else, you probably

(39:33):
never hear of him. He he sees his opportunity. He
played above, well above. He was mister irrelevant, you know,
so well above. His draft pedigree. You get them wrong sometimes,
but it's really it's Party and Brady and that's it.
Out of like the last however many years of drafts.

Speaker 3 (39:54):
It's just look at the lower.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
End of the draft. I should say it's a rare exception.
It's a diamond in a rough type of thing, you know, you.

Speaker 3 (40:03):
Know, the idea that you can find these guys in
the second, third, and fourth rounds. It's bs, it's crap.
Is it a possibility? Sure, but it's like walking down
to the beach and finding a chest of doubloons. Right, Yes,
it could happen, but it's probably not gonna Right. It's
like me walking out the door and halle Berry's there

(40:25):
and saying, you know what, I divorced my husband and
I'm in love with you. It's not gonna happen, is it?

Speaker 2 (40:30):
And you're also and you're also like, you know that that.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
One's not actually possible.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
But let's see how any I can go any further
with that. I was about to talk about widowers and stuff,
but and just look at it. Twenty twenty three. The
Instant's success with the books not written on any of
these young men yet, but we're starting to get there.
We're starting to have questions about Brayce Shung, CJ. Stroud
had an off year. He was on fire as rookie.

(40:58):
It's not so much and he was and added all
kinds of bodies around him last year. Anthony richardson those
are your three pick one, pick two, picked four. Richards's
about to compete with Drew Locke for a starting job.
They've already announced it's going to be a competition. Will
Levis thirty third overall, second round to Tennessee.

Speaker 3 (41:17):
I have to do it.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
Oh hey, end In Hooker, who was hurt sixty eighth
overall pick to Detroit. They kind of threw that out
there just to see maybe he ends up with something,
you know what I mean? Who knows? Jay Cayner fourth
round and then down Stetson, Bennett, Aiden O'Connell, lay in tune.
Some of these guys got to play some games, Dorian Thompson, Robinson,

(41:39):
Sean Clifford, Jaren Hall, Tanner McKee, Max Dugan. Some of
these players got to take some snaps, and we saw
that it wasn't pretty for a lot of the late
round players. And last year's draft obviously headlined by Caleb
Williams and six quarterbacks going in the first round. Uh,

(42:03):
Jade Daniels, where'd the list go? I just lost it?
Hold on a second, Jane Daniels, Drake May, Michael Pennox,
JJ McCarthy, bow Nicks. Then you don't have a quarterback
ticket again after Bownicks at twelve. Trivia question Brian, when
is the next quarterback ticket? You can pick a round
or you can pick a number. Is it top fifty,

(42:24):
top one hundred.

Speaker 3 (42:24):
I'm definitely not picking a number. Third round, No fourth.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
Get Warmer, fifth brown, fifth round. Spencer Rattler won fifty
and he got to play some Jordan Travis, Joe Milton,
Devin Larry, Michael Pratt.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
That's it all, she wrote. So I can't count high
enough to be naming picks in the fifth round, So.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
Not even, not even with fingers and toes, not.

Speaker 3 (42:50):
Even like I only got I only got twenty. I
can't you know?

Speaker 2 (42:52):
That's that's good that you got all twenty. You didn't
lose one in some freak lawn mower or whatever accident.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
So shop class. I did take shop class, but I
didn't cut off any of my fingers.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
So I guess the question is should the Steelers gamble
on their next quarterback in the NFL draft in order
to be competitive? My belief is yes, because you get
the cheaper quarterback contract and if you hit, you're going
right Joe Burrow, they get into the super Bowl and
everything because all these guys were on cheaper contracts. Now
it's getting expensive now it's getting tough and everybody ends
up paying these quarterbacks. I mean, you look at Mahomes

(43:23):
on Hiswrokie deal. They had a good, good talent around them,
but still tenth overall and second or third quarterback taken
in that draft. You might have to take that shot.
I'm not a fan of giving up three first round
picks to maybe move up and be behind wherever the
Browns are to take Jador Sanders or let's talk about yeah,

(43:46):
or I mean, we're assuming cam Ward is going to
be going to the Tennessee Titans. So the name that's
fallen everywhere, it's into conversations Jackson Dart and we see
some of his play in college, and he's probably not
the most polished, and he might be available. If be
available at twenty one, probably maybe maybe somebody shoots their shot,
moves up. Maybe it's even the Steelers. They give up

(44:08):
one of these comp picks they're playing on next year,
move up. They can't wait. They don't have a second
round pick. Maybe you get him in the third round,
maybe you don't. It's still gonna be a top one
hundred pick. It doesn't mean he's gonna be successful. It
doesn't mean he's gonna be the guy. But I think
in order you have to shoot your shot and give
somebody a chance. And if it doesn't do what the
Cardinals did, do what Tennessee is doing. Levis didn't work out,

(44:30):
they're gonna take ward Fields didn't work out, Bears took Williams,
Cardinals take Murray over Rosen. It's a lottery it's a
lottery ticket. I'm not gonna say it is gonna work.
But you have to take a risk. Just don't take too.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
Much for risk. So, and that's your last statement, is
where I'm at with this. I one hundred percent would
not draft a quarterback in this draft until after the
third round, the third round and beyond. There's no way
I'd invest the first round pick in any quarterback in
this round that's gonna fall to the range where we're at.
Just wouldn't do it. And the reason is risk. I believe.

(45:07):
I believe the risk is far too high. I believe
you are throwing the pick away. Doesn't mean I'm right,
I'm just what it means is the statistics say you're
not going to be successful with that guy, and they
have too many holes. They have too many holes and
there are too many of those positions where they do
have need that are potentially successful where they pick I

(45:31):
just wouldn't do it.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
So on that note, and before we sign off, you
take a look at the Steelers' draft history over the
last few years, and you take a look at what
in who, what positions, and who they have taken in
those drafts, And I say to myself, would you be

(45:53):
better throwing it away at a quarterback when you got
a hit for the future, or should you aim somewhere else.
We don't even know about Troy Flataner yet a whole
lost season with him. We don't know about Roderick Jones yet,
he's got to move over to left tackle and moved
up for him. They could both, we don't know. They're unknowns.
Kenny Pickett's not on the team anymore. That didn't work out.

(46:13):
They took the gamble Najee Harris, pretty solid player, but
no longer with the team. No first round pick at
twenty twenty. Their top pick was Chase Claypool forty ninth overall,
because they used that pick for micka Fitzpatrick and you.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
Got Devin Bush.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
Got to get to two Devons, right, And I mean
the Browns were in such a situation last year with
their salary cap, with Watson piying up all their money
and some of the other dumb things they've done, like
Miles Garrett money and everything that they had to play
Devin Bush last year as a starting linebacker. And now
you've got teams Raiders are signing Devin White because he's
fallen off Cliff too. Neither of those guys ended up

(46:48):
panning out when they needed a you need an inside linebacker,
and any of those guys had very long, long star
study careers. Terrell Edmonds picked twenty eight in the twenty
eighteen didn't work out either. Now, TJ. Watt that one,
that one was kind of nice. Already Burns before that
in twenty sixteen, but Dupree not the terrible pick. Ryan

(47:09):
Shazier good pick, Jarvis Jones not so much. Good pick.
David di Castro Steelers legend, Cam Hayward Steelers legend, maybe
a potential future Hall of Famer Marquis Pouncy in that
same category. And then you got Ziggihood Withshard Ben and Hall,
Lawrence Timmins, and Santonio Holmes. Before you get to Heath
Miller Ben Roethlisberger, Troy Polamalu before them, Kendall Simmons, and

(47:30):
then Casey Hampston, Casey Hampton, Plexico.

Speaker 3 (47:34):
Burris Sick Snack, Big Snack.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
So you got some really good ones in there, and
then you've got some not so good ones in there.

Speaker 3 (47:41):
Just look at the list. You know, the steel they
have more misses than they have hits. But I'm just
telling you you can go through every single team and
if you look at their first round pick history, they're
gonna have more misses than they have hits. Why because
generally speaking, it's hard to draft players in the NFL.

(48:03):
Right you don't know how well they're gonna do. Yes,
you've got a better chance at having success drafting the
best interior offensive linemen who are on the board, or
offensive tackles who are on the board, or tight ends
who are on the board at the time. You have
better success rates there, right. But those numbers at wide
receiver and cornerback, those tell you and quarterback two, those

(48:27):
tell you that even when you're picking at the very top,
you got a fifty to fifty chance or less of
hitting it with that guy, even when everybody in the
in the room everybody in the NFL thinks that's the guy,
right that's and that to me that just this is
not the year. This is not the year. The draft

(48:48):
class is not as strong at the quarterback position. And
it doesn't mean one of these guys won't come back
and make us all eat our words, you know, but
I am willing to bet a lot that it ain't
gonna be one of the guys that's available at twenty one.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
And you saw. I mean, I don't want to just
you know, dump on Justin Fields, but we saw what
he did last year, and that was a former first
round pick, would I say, twelfth overall and the Steelers
only used the sixth to get a look see on
that more than likely anybody else that comes along a
middle round. If you don't like Mason Rudolph right now,
he's the top option maybe, but everybody else is right

(49:28):
there with them. That's probably what you're looking at as
you're ceiling, especially if it's going to be a rookie
that ends up or playing, or a guy first year player.
I don't even know need to say that they play
like right away, you know what I mean. So that's
what you're looking at. I know, a lot of people
feel the class. It's like, hey, you know what, next
year's class going to be so much better? But then

(49:49):
how many how many other teams are going to be
competing auction style, tripping over themselves because it's such a
great class. You know what I mean? And do do
you do? You know? No, nobody knows, so you gotta try,
and you got to try and guess what those numbers
are gonna be and hope you hit the lotto. Brian,
thank you? What skim my friend? Soon enough, draft right

(50:10):
around the corner here in the coming weeks, draft insanity
right around the corner. Get prepped, Get ready, folks, get
geeked up. Our two percenters I know are already geeked
up for other people. They have no idea what's coming.
They have no idea. Brian, I don't have any idea
what's coming.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
I've done three of them already, and I looked at
him and went, holy crap. So I don't know what
craziness I'm gonna stir up in this.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
That's always fun. Folks. Don't forget the like, comment, subscribe,
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Speaker 3 (50:56):
My name's joke. Wait wait, wait, I have a question.
Now I have to come back. There's video on Spotify. Yeah,
video on Spotify. So wow, I could go on Spotify
and look at my face.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
You can make sure you get the right I don't.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
I don't want. I don't want to do that, but
I could be interesting. I didn't know that.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
Yeah, video and audio feed on Spotify. So if you
see one and you don't see video, or you see
a lot of videos and you see audio, Spotify is
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the next Day kind of thing. So we appreciate you, you know,
supporting us wherever you may be, of course, though, but
be on the lookout for it. Good question, Good question, Brian.

(51:36):
I don't always bring that up at the tail end
of the show. So folks, I already said my name
is Joe Kuzma. His name is Brian E. Roach. So
next until next time, some draft madness. As we round
the corner. Uh to Grimy. No statistics involved. For statistic
I've I've blown my preparation budget.

Speaker 3 (51:57):
For the year. I'm out. Now I'm gonna be prepared again.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
Yep man, We'll be looking at all kinds of different positions.
The Draft Insanity Show is usually pretty wild, so stay
tuned for that until next time. We encourage everyone out
there to be safe, be good, and we'll catch you in.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
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