A Conversation with Lynn Woolley

In this special edition of Planet Logic, hosted by Julie Sullivan, the past and future of over-the air-radio is front and center.  The Lady of Logic asks Lynn Woolley how and why he wanted a career in radio, and then moves to the transition of AM radio from music to talk.  What was radio like in the beginning?  What happened to radio after television became prominent?  What does the digital age have in store?  And what about young people who get all their news from social media?  As all traditional media faces an uncertain future, what would America look like without talk radio to provide a voice to Americans unserved by left-wing outlets that currently dominate the media landscape?  Julie Sullivan is a traveling respiratory therapist.

Episode Transcript

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Welcome to Planet Logic. Today's episodeis a conversation with the Secretary of Logic,
mister Lynn Wooley, and I'm JulieSullivan. So, Lynn, what
made you get into talk radio andhow long have you been doing it?
Well, talk radio and radio area couple of different things. I've been
in talk radio for maybe thirty years, but at regular radio. I started

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back in the sixty seven sixty eightat a little FM station. I'd always
wanted to be in radio. Itjust seemed like it. It seemed like
magic to me, how you couldspeak into a microphone in one place and
it comes out in radios all overthe area, and it just fascinated me.
The whole concept of radio fascinated me, and I never really ever wanted
to do anything else. Shocker.So how did you get political? Though,

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especially since like we're older than theInternet, Like what made you political?
That wasn't your major in school?Was it? No? No,
no, no, no no no. I wanted to be a disc jockey.
I wanted to be Charlie Van Dykeor Charlie Tuna or Larry lujas Cup
on WLS, or Robert W.Morrigan on KHJ and Los Angeles or cousin
Brucey out on WABC. And Iremember when I was growing up, graduated

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high school in sixty eight, discjockeys were the king of their markets,
especially the ones that were clever,had these big boys is, you know,
and they could come on and commandmore attention than the mayor or the
school board president or anybody. Everybodyknew who the big disc jockeys in town
were. But back in those days, prior to the Beatles, you had

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Buddy Holly, you had Chuck Berry. After the Beatles, you had the
Rolling Stones, the Beach Boys.It was a golden age of music and
a golden age of the disc jockey, and everybody wanted to do that that
got into radio. I wasn't reallycut from that cloth. I could do
it, but I wasn't as goodas these guys in the big markets.

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And somebody said, I'd like tohire you to be a news guy.
So I went more into the newsof it. Then I was into the
disc jockey part and ended up doingthat when I was at k and OW
in Austin back in the college days. And that's where the politics part of
it started, was just doing newsand having to research well, when you

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do news, there's a difference,or there was then in doing news and
doing opinion. There wasn't a lotof opinion. We had something called the
fairness doctrine and something else called theequal time clause. So if I came
on and ranted and raved about conservatismor liberalism or whatever, we had to
go out from an equal time standpointand find somebody from the other side and

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give them the exact amount of timeto do it. That was not our
choice, that was the law,and therefore it was a freezing point for
radio. Nobody wanted to do itbecause the management. First of all,
they thought politics was off putting backin those days, and secondly, they
didn't want to deal with all theregulations. So under the Regagae administration we
got rid of the fairness doctrine.And the very next thing that happened was

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Rush Limbaugh, and that changed theentire tenor of AM radio. Remember FM
had come in and started taking themusic audience, and so when Rush came
in, the amband didn't know whatit was going to do. You couldn't
play music anymore. Talk was boring. Rush came in and he wasn't boring,

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and people said, my gosh,you've got to hear this guy.
He was saying things that a coupleof years earlier would have been illegal to
say without going out and finding somebodyfrom the other side and doing equal time
and all that. And so radioon the amband became interesting and entertaining again,
and I said, I wonder ifI could do that, and so

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I bought a small radio station,tried it out, and I've been doing
it since. So what do youenjoy most about doing politics and what are
your dislikes about it? Like?What is some pros and cons of talk?
Well? I think the biggest prois that people who know what's going
on, whether on either side ofthe political aisle. I mean, like
CNN, those people know everything isgoing on that they're They're not stupid,

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they just have a different point ofview and they go on the air and
at CNN and MSNBC both are arevery left wing networks, and they try
to convince people that they're right.I'm on the other side. I'm conservative.
I think the thing I enjoy mostis trying to excuse the term because
it's it's my it's my political position, but I try to be logical I

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try to look beyond the politics,read between the lines. When a politician
says something, I try to Itry to ascertain the real meaning, what
they're trying to hide, bring itout into the open. There's always another
aspect beyond what politicians are telling us. And I think that's the most satisfying
point to take an issue that seemscomplex, to make it simple, to

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make people understand exactly what's going on, and as a as a what we
call long short form is where youdo a minute commentary or even a five
minute commentary. Long form is whenyou do an hour or two hours or
three hours of a radio show andyou have time to do monologues and to
take calls on the radio and tohash things out with listeners, to get

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their thoughts, their ideas, andtry to figure out what's the best thing
for this country. Interesting, whatare some of the biggest changes in politics
that you've seen over the decade?You said, you've been doing this for
thirty years. What are some ofthe high points low points? Well,
you said changes in politics. That'spretty easy. Back when I started doing

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radio, not necessarily talk radio,but news radio, and I worked the
Temple market first. Then I workedthe Austin market, then I worked the
Dallas Fort Worth market for quite awhile. Back in those days, we
had two parties in Texas. Theywere Conservative Democrats and Liberal Democrats, yellow

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dogs and blue Dogs, and theRepublicans were of no consequence. William Clements
broke that sometime around nineteen seventy seventyone seventy two, somewhere in there,
maybe a little bit later. Heran against a guy named John Hill,
who had been the Attorney general.Hill was the twenty to one favorite because
he was a Democrat, and Clementswon that election, and Texas has never

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looked back. We haven't had anotherDemocrat as governor since I guess. I
guess. Anne Richards was the lastwinner. Mark Green one of those.
We have had left wing Democratic governors, but it's been a while Clements.
Clements broke the mold. And nowfor the last few years all the state
wide offices have been held by Republicans. So I'm thinking Mark, not Mark

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Green. Mark White. I'm sorry, knew it was a color. Mark
White and Anne Richards were the lastDemocrats that we had in office. Now
we have two parties and Texas wehave conservative Republicans far right leaning Republicans and
establishment Republicans who are more willing towork with Democrats. So you have that
what would be a Dade Feeling type, the guy who's been Speaker of the

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House, and the super conservative typewould be Dan Patrick, who's the lieutenant
governor. So do you think AMradio will be able to continue, especially
with these young I feel like they'replaying a lot of attention to Gen x
ors, gen z ers, millennials, boomers and millennials aren't getting along this
trending everywhere. And why did GenX no one talking about them? Because

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we're the ones that you don't wantto wake up. But they are the
downloading, streaming generations. They don'teven use the radios in their car.
They stream all their things. Sowhere do you see talk radio going all
to this format of podcasting or kenit. I think AM radio has another
five years at least maybe ten.After that, I think it'll be dead.

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I think FLM radio will die withit. You're right, we have
an obsession with streaming. To me, as an older person, it's so
nice to go turn my television on, know that ABC is on this channel,
CBS is on that channel, NBC'shere, and Fox is there and
the CW is over there, andjust click to that channel and watch my

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show. But to do that,you have to sit down when the show
is being broadcast. Everybody that enjoyshaving food delivered to their door, nobody
wants to go out anymore. We'reall becoming fat and lazy over this.
They want the show to start whenthey sit down in front of the screen,
not to sit down in front ofthe screen when the show is going

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to start, and so that haschanged everything. Today's young kids don't know
anything about those nineteen sixties and earlyseventies disc jockeys that were so popular in
their cities. They don't want anydisc jockey talk. They just want music,
song after song with no intros,and they don't want somebody else to
pick it. They want to pickit themselves. So they download the songs

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they want, and the disc jockeyis dead. And AM radio was going
to last as long as Limbaugh did. He expired a couple of years ago
during the big snowstorm that we had, Snowmageddon, and since with him gone,
nobody has risen to take his place. I mean, a lot of
people came forward for that time slot. There has been only or have been,

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only two people in my lifetime thatI would say are once in a
thousand year talents. One of themwas rushed, the other was Paul Harvey.
When they're both gone, nobody hasemerged anything like them and without a
rush Limbaugh, I don't see howAM radio is going to last forever now.
As far as the millennials and theGen Xers and all the other young

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people, again, they're of ageneration that has been brought up on cell
phones, and I think the smartphoneis probably the most damaging civilization destroying invention
in the history of our lives,and it is giving a the generation of
pretty much ignorant people. That andInternet kind of hurt us too well.

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Internet and streaming. Don't lump usgen xers in on that. We were
raised by you boomers. We wereolder than that. We are the last
generation raised without those things. Butyou're a podcast listener, and you know
it's interesting there was a time whenyou would think, in fact, radio
always we always program like this,thinking that twenty minutes was the longest we

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could cold anybody. I mean,if you get up in the morning at
seven thirty, you get in yourcar at seven thirty and you've got to
be at work by eight o'clock.You'd have your radio on for maybe thirty
minutes, more like twenty minutes,depending on your commute. If you lived
in Dallas or Los Angeles or Houston, it was a little longer commute than
if you lived in Lubbock or orTyler or some smaller town. Now,

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for whatever reason, all this hasturned around. People will listen to an
hour podcast. And part of thereason for that is they can get out
of their car, go into astore, and when they come back and
turn the radio back on, theycan pick up the podcast where they left
off. They don't miss anything,you know. I used to I used
to have a try to do teases, you know, to get through the

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commercial break, so that somebody wouldsit in the car and wait because they
had to know what I was goingto say. And that's gone. When
you could just come back and theshow you're listening to picks up where you
left off. So everything's different.The technology has been very what we call
disruptive, disruptive technology. Television wasdisruptive technology to both movies and to radio.

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And radio back in those days waslum and Abner, the Lone Ranger,
those sort of shows. Gun Smokewas a radio show. War of
the World War of the Worlds wasthe famous thing that Orson Welles scared the
hell out of everybody with. Butthe point was you listen to your dramas
on the radios. When the televisioncame along, radio couldn't do that anymore.

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Everybody wanted to see it, notjust hear it. They wanted to
see it. But if you goback and listen to those old shows,
and I can play some of themfor you because I have a whole set
of them, they were amazing tolisten to. But gun Smoke and a
few others transferred over to television,and then television began producing its own content.

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And now we have so many televisionshows produced each year that it's impossible
to keep up. You've got theNow we have four major networks five counting
the CW all producing shows, plusApple and Disney and Paramount Plus and Hulu
and whatever autom I leave it out. The big one was Netflix for so
long. Max Pincock. Yeah,it goes on and on and on.

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So there's literally more television product thanever and a lot of the shows take
a show like four All Mankind,which I've been watching, which is about
it's an alternate reality, what wouldhave happened that the Russians had landed on
the Moon before we did. Theproduction values are incredible. It must cost
hundreds of thousands of dollars per episodeto produce that, but they have to

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do it if you're up against twoother shows, which is where the networks
used to be. In the sixties, ABC was by far the number three
network, but its lowest show wouldhave twelve to fifteen, twenty maybe thirty
million people watching. There were threeplaces to tune NBC, ABC or CBS
Now and especially with streaming, youliterally have hundreds of choices and so they

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have to spend more money to geta very much smaller audience to tune in.
I don't think it's sustainable. Ithink it will shake out at some
point, but I think AM andFM radio are going to be a casually
and I would say the next tenyears will be a turning point for over
the air radio, and ten yearsfrom now, doubt if it exists.

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So, going along that line ofthought, I believe America is falling and
failing. Do you think that's thecatalyst that started the fall of America,
like all the social media, theInternet, the phones, our phones.
First, where did all this antiAmerican reser I think hatred. I think
the smartphone is the most destructive inventionthat we've ever had, worse than the

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AK forty seven, the machine gun, the nuclear bomb. It has created
the generation of ignorant people. Whenyou get your news from your phone,
basically from texts or from some feedthat you're signed up for. For example,
I could get my news, allmy news from the current majority leader

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of the Senate, Chuck Schumer.I subscribe to him. However, my
ex used to be Twitter was setup. I get his feed, I
get Joe Biden's feed. Fortunately,I get some others. But if that's
all I got, and I believewhat those guys said, I would not
have I would not have accurate information. So accurate information is important. So

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let's go through the list. Let'sstart with ABC. They have a newscast
at night. The head of ABC, the face I should say of ABC
News is George Snuffalupicus. I callhim Stephanopoulos is his real name. He
used to be a part of theClinton war room. He was Clinton's fixer
as they call Michael Cohen Donald Trump'sfixer. This is the guy telling me

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the news no thank you. Overon CBS, I mean, it's probably
the least biased of the three,but nobody watches those things much anymore.
Nora O'Donnell does a reasonably good newscast, but it would slant left then Over
on NBC, Lester Holt is adown the line newsman, but his network
is known for being ultraliberal. It'spart of MSNBC, which is the most

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liberal news source that there is.Fox, on the other hand, skews
a little bit to the right.It's news reporters are fairly down the middle,
but people who don't like Fox don'tlike any of Fox, so you
don't get anything there. News Nationis an upcoming network that I think is
breaking the mold a little bit.It's not only somewhat down the middle,

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but it's also very well done,very entertaining. Leland Viddick's show is amazing.
Chris Cuomo is a completely different hoston News Nation than he was on
than he was on CNN. He'squite watchable, quite interesting. He had
Tucker Carlson on, two guys thathave clashed on their own networks. They

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sat down in Cuomo's house, inhis garage or out on his porch and
had a conversation and it was amazing. So I think news Nation is a
ray of bright light right now inthis I don't see a whole lot.
Everything is believe what I say.You know, when I'm doing a talk
show, I tell you it's myopinion. You can take it to the

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bank that you know. What I'mgiving you is very opinionated. But everything's
based on truth. And I don'tbase anything on a bunch of lives.
And I'll give an example. DonaldTrump came out and said recently that there
is going to be a blood bathin the automobile industry. He meant with
jobs, people being fired if weswitch to evs because more evs are made

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overseas, and that the people whomake gasoline powered engines may be in trouble
of losing their jobs. In fact, he said it could be a blood
bath. Biden came out immediately andaccused Biden of saying if accused Trump of
saying if he doesn't win the election, there's going to be a blood bath.
What Trump has said had absolutely nothingto do with that. And yet
Biden has said it. Jill Bidenhas said it. MSNBC and CNN have

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said it. Chuck Schumer has saidit. The entire left essentially is just
lying to the American people. Andif you get your news from your phone,
you don't know that. I'll learnthat too with some of the things
in the past that Nick Sandmon,that whole farce about him attacking Native American
people is when it was actually backthe other way around. Well, you're

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talking about the Coventry School kids.Yeah, they were out in front of
the Lincoln Memorial and some guy theywere standing up for pro life. They
were standing up for pro life,they had T shirts on and such that
were irritating some of the left.And there was a Native American guy with
a drum that got in Sandmon's face. Salmon didn't know what to do.

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Remember, this guy's a teenager,seventeen, yeah, yeah, whatever he
was, and he just sort oflooked at his classmates and grinned a little
bit, like what do I do? And CNN accused him of smirking at
the guy and of being a racist. A young teenage kid and CNN accused

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him of being a racist. Thisis beyond the pale. So yes,
you get your news from CNN,do you get the basic what happened?
Yes, you get a left slanton it. Yes. If you get
your news from MSNBC, you geta very deep slant on it. All
left, ABC, NBCCBS are allleft wing slants. Fox is right wing

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slant when they're in the newscast I'msorry, when they're in a program like
Sean Hannity or Laura Ingram or whoof Jesse Waters, Yeah, those are
all openly labeled, you know,their opinion shows. But when Kevin Cork
comes on, Kevin Cork is goingto give you the news. Brett Baher

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Brett Bahar is not a liberal.It's obvious he's not a liberal, but
he does give you the news ina I would say ninety nine percent down
the line way, there aren't Thereisn't anybody on CNN that does that that
I know of. The closest wouldbe maybe Wolf Blitzer, maybe John King
sometimes, but they really don't havean people on CNN that are there for

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the purpose of telling you what newsreally is. Here is what happened,
No, here is what happened andhow it was bad because Trump caused it.
That's all you get on CN.How do we break that, Well,
it's hard to tell. CNN isright now enjoying or dealing with its
lowest ratings in thirty years now.Remember on the Trump trials, CNN went

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all Trump, all day, allnight, twenty four hour wall to wall
Trump trial coverage. I have TDSfrom a left wing slant, and they
have from the standpoint of a nationalnetwork, they have tantamount to no audience.
Fox's audiences is probably five to tentimes larger. Fox is probably pulling

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in three million average in primetime andCNN maybe one hundred thousand. Tucker Carlson
over there on X bringing in multimills. Sometimes he gets thirty million or
more. How long that can lieasked, We don't know. But of
course here's where Tucker can appeal tothese newer generations because they weren't gonna sit
down at seven o'clock Central time andwatch Tucker. But when he's on X,

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they can watch it. One Tuckerstarts speaking when they hit the play
button. Good point. Sometimes Iwork for me in healthcare, I don't
get to listen to the news.But well, but you do something too
that I've noticed a lot of peopledo. I don't particularly care for it,
but you love it, and that'sthis true crime and you you are
very, very in tune with that. I think it's interesting and I watch

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you listen to it sometime and well, because I don't have but it television
time. Well, that's true,but it passes the time, and it's
interesting if they make it interesting.And some of those shows are very well
produced. They're forty eight hours andsome of that that's a dateline NBC.
There are actually TV shows that Icould watch that I don't have time for.
Correct and correct me if I'm wrong. But you can get out of

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the car going to Walmart by yourgroceries. Well, if you don't have
them delivered, that is back inthe car and you haven't missed anything.
Well, I haven't missed anything.You can pause. I don't want to
talk to people in Walmart. Guesswhat, I can put on my headphones
and listen to my podcast walking aroundWalmart. We have definitely become an enclosed
society where we're not reaching. Butyou know, for me, back growing

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up, I was born in theseventies. We had to do our research
in the library. We had togo look up articles, We had to
cite them. We had to haveWait a minute, are you saying you
had to go to the library soyou could get online and do your research.
We can't get online. We hadto pull books off the shelf.
But now with that, even libraries, the books that they are putting out

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they have slants to them as well. How do we know that what we're
researching is actually factual, no matterthe source Wikipedia has well, I don't
think in today's society that's really verypossible. I used to have an old
set of encyclopedias, and perhaps Ishouldn't have sold them. I had one
that went back to the late fiftiesand early sixties where my mom one each

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week at Safeway forgot about Safeway onyour way out the door. You could
buy a set of a volume andthey only had up to a certain part,
and then each week they would havethe next volume ready and you could
buy it. I had the UniversalStandard Encyclopedia is what it was called,
otherwise, compiled by Funk and Wagnal, which a lot of TV comedians have

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made fun hub. But it wasa down the line encyclopedia. You could
look up the history of Iran andyou could get an actual history of Iran.
And now, looking at what Israelis going through, I wonder what's
being taught in colleges. We knowwhat's being taught in college. Anti Semitis
and infanticide and infanticide and genital mutilationof the river to the sea. Yeah,

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there's all kinds of weird things goingon there. So, yeah,
you now have to vet your newssource. Now. I had a news
director at WFAA in Dallas nineteen seventytwo named Bob Scott. Bob was the
king of memos. He had amemo almost every day. And I worked
under Bob for maybe a year anda half or so before some things happened

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in Dallas radio and split some ofa sub I still have every one of
those memos. I have every oneof them. And if we put our
opinion into one of those newscasts,the wrath of Bob Scott would have been
upon us. We were taught notto do that. So, you know,
today's media landscape is it's very difficultto find a down the line source.

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It's certainly not the Washington Post,it's not the Associated Press, it's
certainly not the New York Times.It's certainly not CNN. And if you
want to find something that's down theline so you really know what's going on
without the bias, good luck.Let me know if you find one.
Yeah, that was my point.We would have to go to micraphies and
look up articles out of the paper. You can't even trust the Associated Press

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now because oh no, it's farleft. Associated Press is far left.
What do you think or why doyou think some children, some people are
prone to the brainwashing, the sheepjust falling along with the herd, or
some of us that are awake toit in concended. It's easy. It's
their teachers, you know. Ihad some left wing teachers when I was

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in college. I didn't even reallyrealize much about it then. I was
not political at all. But Ican look back and remember who they were.
But the bulk of my professors wereteaching me values. I had a
teacher in junior high. This isbefore we got the two state abbreviations for
like TX for Texas and so onand so forth. She said, you

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do not put tex period. Thatwas the current Texas abbreviation. She said,
you spell it out. This isthe greatest state in the Union.
And you write out that word Texas. I never forgot that, not because
of the grammatical part of it,but because of her passion for her state
in her country. Now, howmany teachers today do you think have that?

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I mean, I do see itin some small, smaller rural communities,
That's what I was saying. Idon't know how some people are immune
to it is it must be theirfoundation that they're giving. But at the
same time, a lot of usraise our children conservatively in Christian homes with
faith based and we still lose thatwell because they have teachers that are teaching
them the opposite. And when you'rea kid, you believe you're teacher far

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more than you believe your parent.But even at the college level, they
should have enough common sense by them, but they still get alatnated. Common
senses is a long gone commodity.I think what happens is when reality slaps
some of these kids in the face. They grew up, they get to
be twenty twenty one to twenty two, they realize the government is taking such

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a great percentage of what they makeand wasting it on stuff they don't really
want or that does them no good. Well, like they're useless degrees that
we're seeing coming out of some ofthese colleges. I didn't now a degree,
come on, radical feminist studies isa great degree for a young girl
to have, right, So it'sgender studies apparently because they can turn around
and get college teaching jobs. That'sall they're worth. In my opinion,

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any degree that is only good forteaching it to somebody else is propaganda,
and that's about all it is.Black studies, feminist studies, I call
all those things junk academics because theyhave no real worth. They're basically they're
basically so that you can gripe orwhine about whatever your particular position in life

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is. And it's just it's notworthy of colleges. It's not worthy of
teaching students. And if you havea degree in something like that, I'd
rather have a degree in basket weavingthat was a degree at one time.
Do you think America or society asa whole is too far gone? Because
once you've opened this Pandora's box ofthe LGBTQ element op Club, the the

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transgenders that are allowed to now competea race title nine. So all these
feminists that have worked so hard forequality, and women's sports are now getting
well. The Biden administration hasn't arace title nine, they've added transgender to
it. Look, when you're borna male and you have larger muscles,
your body is built differently. Awoman's body is built to be the gender

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that reproduces, and that's the wayit is. A man is typically always
going to be stronger than a woman, although I have known a few women
in my life I wouldn't want totangle with. But I mean, you
could take take the tennis tour,for example. You can take the number
one female tennis player and the numbertwo hundred male tennis player will beat her

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ten matches out of ten, absolutely, and that's not anything to be upset
about. Women should be playing womenbecause that's that where they can shine.
And when you have like Leah Thomas, the pride of Austin Westlake High School,
who's a male and goes out andwins all these swimming tournaments or swimming
meets, it's no accomplishment there.And Riley Gaines think God is calling that

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out and changing a lot. Butyou know, I will think maybe this
transgender thing is okay when I seewhen I see the women trying to get
into male sports when I see thebiological females who are changing over to males
competing in male sports, and that, so far as I know, has

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never happened. But do you thinkyou know you can't unerring that bell.
They're mutilating children, they're bringing intheir voters across the border because they abort
them all. And now they're castratingall of these children. What do you
see society except China, they're teachingtheir children how to shoot. Well.
Look, look, the two ofus are not the only people who recognize

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this. There's some great people inCongress. I think Ted Cruz is an
amazing senator. I love Governor Abbottis doing a very good job. I
think the best governor in the countryis Ron de Santis in Florida, who
is absolutely amazing. He just doesn'tput up with any of this crap.
No, you can't unring what's beendone. If you've got a little boy

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and he's five years old, andyou've cut him up and rearranged him and
given him something to make his breastgrow and all that, but he's sterile.
He'll never be able to father achild or mother a child, and
same thing for women who do thesame thing in reverse. It is ridiculous.
I think we're going to see.The way to unring that bell is

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very simple. When these kids growup and realize what adults have done to
them, they will begin to suetheir parents, to sue their doctors,
to sue their schools, and thatwill end up putting an end to it.
The bell can't be unwrung for thepeople that it has been done to.
You cannot undo that stuff. Butthere are people who try to de
transition. But you can go tothe point where you can't detransition. But

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I think that will take care ofitself because it is so illogical, it
is so counter productive that I thinkat some point it's a fad and it
will be over with. You know, nobody goes around wearing coonskin caps anymore.
That was a fad. If you'vebeen to West Virginia, well,
West Virginia might be the access Iactually do that their mascot. Does they

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wear them at their games? Ican't really think of any other questions right
now. I just find you veryfascinating, very logical, very intelligent.
I wish that you would spread likeliberalism has been spreading lately. We need
more logic and common sense. We'retalking, well, thank you. Look,
I'm I'm just a small guy witha talk show on a station in
Austin and do a podcast every nowand then. But there's a lot of

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great people out there. I thinkDeSantis is a great example. And I
think I think if you go bythe junkyard dog theory that lew Ann Anderson,
another podcast or I work with,told me about and made me subscribe
to, there wouldn't be any warsin Israel. There wouldn't be a war

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in Ukraine with Trump because he's ajunkyard dog. Putin has no idea what
he might do. The Iyahtola HomaKnee has no idea what Trump might don
they're afraid of him. Peace,the beginnings of peace in the Middle East,
well, the Abraham Accords under Trump, Yes, we were seeing the
beginnings of peace. And of coursethat doesn't suit the needs of Iran.

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And since Biden is in office,and since Biden is doing Obama's bidding pretty
much, and you get back tothis this deal where Barack Obama worked it
out with the Iyahtolas to help Iranwith its nuclear program, which is the
stupidest thing. I mean, Bidenin his Afghanistan withdrawal. All everything this
man has done. He is eightyone years old and to my knowledge,

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has never in his career as Senator, as Vice president, as president at
any time in his political career,which is all he's ever done. By
the way, He's never made acorrect decision on foreign policy. I don't
expect he ever will. And Ithink what we have to do right now
is get by this Trump trial.Trump will probably be able to use it

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to his advantage and he may bere elected. You want to know if
I'm optimistic, Yeah, I'm optimistic. This is the United States of America.
Sometimes we don't do the right thing, but we know how to do
the right thing. And I thinkif we get rid of Joe Biden,
make sure Kamala Harris never becomes presidentof the United States, Obama's influence out
of it, I think we canrebuild this country the way it was under

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Donald Trump, when we were allliving in prosperity. Well, those are
a lot of ifs, with alot of us that don't trust the election,
the integrity of elections, with illegalaliens coming across and being given the
choice of chance to vote, anda lot of states, it's hard to
keep that optimism. I do believein America and the values. You know,

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my grandfather's fought in World War Two. They taught me to love this
country, but there's not a lotleft of it that I recognize that I
do love at times. Well,don't give up hope on this because the
chance of Trump regaining the White Houseis very high right now. Biden is
obviously demented. He doesn't have hismental faculties every decision he's made, starting

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with reversing the border where Trump hadit under control, reversing Iran where Trump
had it under control, the disasterof a withdrawal from Afghanistan, all these
things Biden has done. He's destroyed, the consumer prices their way up,
Inflation has been skyrocketing under him.There is nothing that Biden has done that

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has made anyone's life better. It'sall made everybody's life worse. And if
we can recall, gas prices wereabout half of what they we are now
under Donald Trump. And essentially weget Trump back in office. The Heritage
Foundation, my friend Kevin Roberts,who's the CEO of Heritage and some other
organizations have gotten together. They've startedvetting people for the cabinet. Trump will

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have a huge head start on puttingtogether the best possible team of people,
unlike what Biden has put together.People that actually have brains, understand the
economy, understand what causes inflation,which is rampant government spending and a high
national debt. We can put thiscountry back together, I hope. So

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thanks Lynn. All Right, thisis Planet Logic. We'll see you next time.