Remembering KCEN-TV's Kris Radcliffe

Our local TV anchors are like old friends who drop by the house to visit.  And so it was with Kris Radcliffe who passed away suddenly on October 30th.  He was just 51, and his death came as a shock to his thousands of fans, and to those of us in the media who knew him.  I first met Kris in my Temple radio studio when he joined me to promote a bottled water drive for the victims of Hurricane Harvey in Houston.  After the interview I bought several cases and took them to the Channel 6 studios in downtown Temple.  On November 25, 2019, I invited Kris to come to my home studio to do an extended interview on Planet Logic.  He anchored the 6 PM newscast, drove to my house for the interview, and then back to Channel 6 for the 10 PM news.  I have been a follower and admirer of his work ever since I first met him.  And as a remembrance, here is that interview as it appeared half a decade ago.     

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Planet Logic. Today's episode remembering casentv's Chris Radcliffe.
I'm Lynn Woolley. Our local TV anchors are like old
friends who dropped by the house to visit, and so
it was with Chris Radcliffe, who passed away suddenly on
October thirtieth. He was just fifty one, and his death
came as a shock to his thousands of fans and

(00:22):
to those of us in the media who knew him.
I first met Chris in my Temple radio studio when
he joined me to promote a bottled water drive for
the victims of Hurricane Harvey in Houston. After the interview,
I bought several cases and took them to the Channel
six studios in downtown Temple. On November twenty fifth, twenty nineteen,
I invited Chris to come to my home studio to

(00:45):
do an extended interview on Planet Logic. He anchored the
six PM newscast, drove to my house for the interview,
and then back to Channel six for the ten PM news.
I have been a follower and admirer of his work
ever since I first met at him, and as a remembrance,
here is that interview as it appeared half a decade ago.

(01:06):
My guest is Chris Radcliffe, who's the six and ten
o'clock anchor on our local NBC affiliate here in the
Waco Temple Colleen Brian College station area. That's kse N TV.
And I know that local news coverage is a little
bit different from the national stuff that we see all
the time. But I want to start out with ask
by asking you do you watch cable news and what

(01:26):
do you think of Fox and CNN and MSNBC.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Well, being a news consumer, I think that you know,
to be in news and to do news, you have
to consume it. You have to know what's going on
in the day and you have to like it. But
you also have to know how it portrays locally. So yes,
we watch those things. We find out the state of
what's going on. And the funny part is now before
I even get up and get into work, we already
know half the time what the big stories of the

(01:50):
day are because we live in a twenty four hour
news gathering information that's social media. So when I get
up in the morning, I'm checking websites and apps and
you know, local opinions and we are just inundated with it.
You almost have to turn it off if you don't
want it.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
You probably call it reporting. I call it show prep
for what I do. But it's about the same thing,
because that's exactly my routine. Now, how much attention And
we're in a medium sized market, Waco, Temple, Colleen Brian's
I guess in all the suburbs, probably close to a
million people now, absolutely, so we're not tiny, tiny, But
how much attention do you guys at this level pay

(02:25):
to the national news?

Speaker 2 (02:27):
Well, it's going to be a lot, and I'll tell
you why, because Central Texas has become a heartbeat of
so many local news stories lend between the border, the
I thirty five, commerce, the USMCA trade agreement, all those
things that we're putting in our show and daily talking
about a lot of what's happening on nationally. We joke
about California and say that, you know, it's kind of
what could be an implement for the nation if one

(02:49):
side got its way. Texas tends to be kind of
a you know, even though they say we're becoming more purple,
this is still really a state that really does well
on economy, really does well on commerce, and is indicative
of what may come in the future years to come
nationwide with growth and expanse and housing and so much
industry that's booming here of the state.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
Well, you're absolutely right about that. Central Texas has produced
so many stories from the bad like the Branch Davidians
and the Twin Peaks shooting and all that to things
that are far more positive. Temple, of course, is the
home and Drayton McLean, a namesake of Baylor's McLean Stadium
and the former owner of the Houston Astros. Colleen is
the home of ford Hood, which is a key peg

(03:30):
in our national defense. And of course Waco's got Chip
and Joanna Gaines and so Magnolia Market has put Waco
on the map. So this is a place where a
lot of people around the country are aware of, and
I know you're aware of that. When you put your
news together.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
At seventeen and a half years that I've been here.
Every five years, Leanne, it seems like we have a
national story. Between when I first came, the murder of
a Baylor basketball player made national news. ESPN was everywhere.
Of course, you had the Loubi's shooting before I got here.
You have the Branch Davidians, which you just mentioned. And
then of course you had the shooting up there with
the bikers in Waco for the shootout the Twin Peaks
and then the Mart fertilizer plant explosion and then two

(04:07):
shootings on Fort Hood.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
Well, we have a president that, a president that lived
just a few miles outside of Waco, is absolutely absolutely
say we've kind of been the center of the known universe.
It's an old saying, but sometimes it's kind of true.
So let's say that Trump is in trouble. Let's just
take a hypothetical situation that maybe the Democrats want to
impeach him or something. What can you do with.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
That locally, Well, we try to stay away from something
like that locally because again, we want to have if
you're running a political party, you want to have a
big tent. You want everybody who's willing to come in
because you've got a certain percentage on each side that
is going to be polarized that you can never recruit.
We're always looking for viewers people to trust us, and
to do that you need to give it to them
down the middle. So we look away from things a

(04:50):
lot of times that are as polarizing and are welcoming.
So when we put out polls and a thing we
do called a megaphone, we really invite audience participation, but
we wanted to be on the You know, let us
know how it is in your world. Tell us about
your family, and tell us about how you know these
little stories are affecting your lives. The Trump impeachment will
or won't take care of itself, and that is something

(05:11):
that we will all live under. But you know this,
lhen All politics is local, and your tax dollars in
your economy and how well things are doing in your
area are going to affect your life a lot more
than someone sitting in the White House. Long term, those
policies might affect you, but really, your local mayor and
your local council members have a lot more control over
your kid's future and your own future, I think than

(05:31):
someone fifteen hundred miles away now under the grand scheme
of things. No, because we trend in a certain direction
as a country.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
Well, it's very true there is a potentially fairly controversial
national story shaping up in this area, and that is
that flores is looking to step down. Bill flore Is
and Pete Sessions from the Dallas area is thinking of
moving to Waco or probably has already made up his
mind to do that. The flora Is camp doesn't appear

(05:59):
too happy with that. Are you guys on that story
at all?

Speaker 2 (06:01):
We have been and it's something that we have to
learn about some of the stuff as we go in
because we actually had to discover you don't have to
live in the district that you want to run for.
You just need to live in the state of Texas
residency for one year. So that's a very strange thing
to think that you and I are eligible to grow
run for any seat across the great state of Texas
that we wanted to in the next year's elections. Now
you have to get in in time. You have to
file the proper paperwork. Well, it looks like Pete Sessions

(06:24):
is doing that, and since he was a surprise defeat
up there in the Metroplex, it looks like Waco could
be a spot where he wants to come plant his flag.
It is considered a very safe Republican seat, so people
believe if you can win the primary, you will be
the next congressman from Texas. Seventeen.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
I want to talk a little bit about this idea
of what you just said, straight down the middle journalism.
I don't know how much you know about what a
novel idea, right, yeah, what a great idea. I've never
been a television journalist. I've done telethons on television and
commercials and that sort of thing. Never been a news
guy in the position that you're in, sure, But I

(06:59):
have been virtually the same thing in radio and in
two large markets, in a couple of small markets, the
small markets Waco and Temple Colleen and the large markets
Austin and Dallas. I had a news director in Dallas
that was the king of memos. I still I kept
them all. They were great, but part of it was
we do not put our opinions in these news and

(07:19):
we're people, we're human beings, and putting that aside. Do
you get directed at Channel six at KSEEN, do you
guys talk about this, have staff meetings, keep your opinions
out of the news when you're doing politics.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
In my seventeen years, I've received emails that call me
a liberal nut job working for NBC. And I've also
got emails that said I'm a conservative hack who can't decide,
you know, what's fair for someone who needs a helping hand,
And I'd say, since I've gotten both, I'm doing my
best to be somewhere in the middle. And yes, we
do talk about that, and we just want to be honest.

(07:54):
Everybody's opinion. Everybody has emotions and life's experiences and all
shape by how we were raised and where we come from.
Then after that, it's what we consume or what we
seek out to either reinforce ideas that we feel emotionally,
or it's indoctrination or something that has led us to
feel or think a certain way, and then just like

(08:17):
a drug, we tend to go for more and more
of it that reemphasizes what our natural beliefs would be anyway,
so that those who were born a certain way and
then completely rebelled against what the family said to do,
and vice versa, and there's opposites. I think in the
news business, if you don't know, that's a good thing.
We know the national news business tends to be very liberal,
and I think by default that comes from the sixty

(08:38):
minutes idea that there are wrongs in the world. We're
going to shine a light on it, and we're going
to expose this terrible injustice that's being done to this person.
And that's why these young women, men and women go
into these fields in college to learn and to do
that thing that is a good thing, and in journalism,
and it's very beginning is meant to do that. But
as soon as it becomes I'm gonna leave this out
because I don't like the slant that it takes, because

(09:00):
I don't disagree with this. Now you become activism, and
that goes too far. You've got to tell both sides
at all times. So if we get a two minute
story from NBC and it gets fifteen seconds to the
Republicans and a minute forty five to the Democrats or
vice versa, we are very cautious about running that, and
we have knocked down, drag out fights in our newsroom
about this stuff.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
I'll tell you what. I've got a friend at the
local paper. I won't mention his name. I may invite
him on the show though and see if he'll come,
But he tells me that he calls the Associated Press
on almost a weekly basis to ream them out. The
Associated Press is very similar to MSNBC. MSNBC doesn't bother
me a wit. I don't know about you. But when
all they're honest, then the network comes out and says, hey,

(09:40):
we're a branch of the Democrat Party. That's fine. I
think Fox has its opinion people like Hannity and Tucker Carlson,
and they have their they're straight down the line. Newspeople
like Brett Shepherd Smith who's now left, and Brett Baer
and Chris Wallace, who takes the liberal side more often,
I think precisely try to balance the network. But other

(10:02):
than Rick Santorum being a paid consultant, I can't think
of anybody that has the conservative line at all on CNN.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
Well, and any that they have had in the past,
like Jeffrey Lord or whatnot. They started out as never trumpers,
but then they would explain the Republican side of things,
and I think even that voice has been shut down
at this point. But again, that's a big national news
media and they've taken a side. Like I said, we're
not taking a side because our job at the local NBC,

(10:30):
and that's a stigma we're up against. If there's people
that don't like an NBC, we run into that as well,
and we say we're not trying to bring you the
national product of NBC. We're trying to bring you the
local product and serve our local community.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
You know, I've been in the ad agency business for
a long time as well, and for a lot of
my life I've split my day the morning's radio talk
in the afternoons just doing straight advertising work, making television commercials,
buying media. I said on the air one time, and
then I thought better of it. Maybe I shouldn't have
said this, but I said, you know, I don't want
to buy the CBS affiliate. I said, because I can't

(11:02):
stand Stephen Colbert. Right, So I then did what I
always do, look at the numbers, look at the demos,
and if that was a bye I should make, you know,
then I would make that buy. But the guy, the
Stephen Colbert, goes beyond partisan politics. He's a nasty SOB.
I mean, he will say things that years past would

(11:27):
get you knocked off television. That is true.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
And I'll tell you this, Lynn, since you've gotten in
the industry, and since I've even gotten into it as
a forty seven year old man, Now this is a conflict.
Cells Just look at our Jersey shore. Just look at
the things out there that are television programming. I remember
a news director telling me in two thousand and five,
you know this whole reality TV thing, I think it's
run its course. It's going to blow over. And I
just kind of laughed at him and I said, no,

(11:50):
we have entered a time where humans want to spy
on humans, and now you're going to take that Pandora's
box away. You're gonna put the lid back on that
bottle of that genie. There is no chance. I think
you're being honest when you talk about Stephen Colbert, and
again what I was saying earlier, those people who want
to seek out that affirmation and they can't stand the
current occupant of the White House are going to go
there and they're gonna have some laughs and they're gonna

(12:10):
have a great time. But that limits the audience he
can have because there's a certain percentage that will never
entertain that again. And that trickles down to all of
CBS and local programming.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
Well, I think it does as well. And you're with
an NBC affiliate. You go back to when I was
a kid, even younger than you are now, and I
would watch Johnny Carson religiously. Carson would come out from
behind those curtains do his little golf swing thing. Ed
McMahon would say, here's Johnny, and he would proceed to
just go after the politicians like crazy. But you know what,

(12:43):
most of the politicians that Carson went after he knew personally.
Sure it was never nasty, right, there was enough truth
behind it.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
And it was a joke. And Jay Jay Lenill continued
that pretty well, and he beat up everybody in the
White House and the whole oj trial. I can go
back to remembering all that stuff, and Leno was very
much much on the pop culture. Now it does seem malicious,
but it was good natured with Carson. It was good
nature with Leno. But with Colbert, it's like he's at
war using comedy to go to war with somebody.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
And I wonder if the networks CNN of course, has
got Zucker and that network reflects his personality. And there's
a guy over at NBC whose name I can't think of.
I'm not sure I know who he is that runs INBC.
This is going to be partly him, if his guy,
But Fallon's not as bad. I don't think I think

(13:32):
it's Colbert.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
Fallon started off as very much so, and then he's
pulled back a little bit. But I think that was
they didn't want to go down that road too hard
like Colbert has done. But then you know, they all
look at each other's numbers, Lynn, and it comes a
ratings game and a numbers bonanza. It's not just about
being number one and selling or I shouldn't say it's
not just about selling the most advertising dollars. They do

(13:55):
want to be number one. Everybody wants to be Babe
Ruth in the industry, and I mean that's a big thing.
And just on a point you mentioned earlier, MSNBC chose
to have Rachel Maddow hosts the debate that they just had.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
For me opinion, you're correct.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
For me, that's a very bold move. I couldn't imagine
Sean Hannity or Tucker Carlson hosting a debate to me,
that just would not seem appropriate. Now, Lester Holt, he's
one of the best. That guy's a total pro. I
have my feelings on which way he probably leans politically.
I don't see it in his five point thirty to
six PM newscast, And when he's hosted a debate, he
asked a question and then a slight follow up. There

(14:29):
should be a why in there. I learned a long
time ago as a journalist, the most important question you
can ask is why someone says I'm for this? Why
tell me what? We don't ask why enough, And I
think that that because people will tell you what they're
going to do, we let them off the hook too
much by not asking why. I've done interviews where I've
asked why three times in a row as a question,

(14:50):
because when they start giving you an answer, I won't
just say why. I'll say, now, why was that you
mentioned just a minute ago? You feel this way about this?
Why is that? And then they'll give another answer. And
if if that's something that they're willing to tell you
the truth, you got to get to that truth.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
Well, let's let's go beyond the why. Part of what
I used to do in radio was try to break stories.
I love breaking stories. There's two ways to break a story.
There's you go out and you break a story. Most
of those things come from tips, by the way, and
you break the story and you're all great and everybody
loves you, and then it turns out part of it's

(15:24):
not true or it's not so so when I broke
a story, I always tried to double or triple source
it to really know what I was talking about. And
I broke several at various and sundry times. But when
I covered the Dallas County Commissioner's Court, for example, there
were a couple of controversies about road building driveways for

(15:45):
contributors using mobile phones on the county money. That seems
silly now, but mobile phones were a great luxury in
those days, a very expensive and one county commissioner was
during a May your vote of the Commissioner's Court that
he missed and nobody knew where he was until somebody
got a tip and a photograph of him at Louisiana Downs.

(16:08):
And so those are the kind of stories where we
as newspeople become an adversary press. And that's a term
that I grew up with, adversary press. It wasn't that
I couldn't like the people like covered, Yes, it wasn't
that I couldn't trust them. It was more like the
Ronald Reagan trust. But verify and let me ask you
the question, then, is it part of our job to

(16:31):
make sure that the people who spend our tax dollars
are honest in telling us the truth.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
Absolutely, and I think that's something that is so neat.
In fact, someone posted something today that said, you know,
the only way to have a fair governance is to
have a fair press. Anyone who tries to shut down
the press, you know, needs to be thrown out of office.
They cannot be trusted. Well, Bill Bradley, before he was
with the Post, had a very close relationship with JFK.

(16:57):
And there were a lot of things that weren't printed.
People who knew that Mickey Mantle was drinking all the
time did not put that in their column. So there
was that fine line there now.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
Well with Kennedy as John Kennedy, Yes.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
Were those things affecting Americans on a daily basis. Whether
you hate the person that's in the White House or
did the last eight years, but hate the person that's
in there now or not, their policies will be affecting
your life eventually. Don't hate the person, hate the policies. Okay, Now,
to answer your question, is what you just said. Yes,
we are behooving to a responsibility, but we're human beings.

(17:28):
Every emotion is brought into that. They know cause and effect.
If you do something Was this going to hurt the cause?
Is this going to hurt the individual? Is this going
to limit his or her ability to put what I
think is a positive into the agenda. You've got to
whitewash all that, it's all got to go away, and
you've got to seek out the truth, because only the truth.

(17:48):
We have a lot of questions right now about what's
happening with impeachment, what happened with the Biden family, what
happened with possibly any other things from the previous administration,
what happened with the spying. We have a lot of
questions on that right. Wouldn't you rather know everything and
then make a decision if Donald Trump did any nefarious behavior.
I want to know that, along with everything that happened
with any politician, and then I'll be an informed person. Unfortunately,

(18:11):
it's not all ever going to come out.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
Isn't some people in my audience don't like it if
I say something bad about a Republican and I don't
set out to say anything bad about a Republican or
a Democrat. What I'm searching for is what really happened?
What is going on here? Let me ask you.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
That's journalism, that's let the people know the truth, but
true people think this is bad. People think we're living
in a new eralin because of the technology we have.
We'll talk about that in a minutes.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
So advocate advocate journalism. But let me ask you a
couple of questions that just sprang into my head while
you were saying those things, because they're so true. We
just had a gentleman drop into the Democratic nomination race. Sure,
who owns one of the major news media in the country.
That's correct, Bloomberg.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
And an agreements, and an agreement's been reached on how
he shall be covered. They will not be covering him
for many things he says and does.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
And to me, that's how how's that going to work?

Speaker 2 (19:07):
Right?

Speaker 1 (19:07):
I mean, you know, the Democrats are mad at Trump
for owning hotels and skyscrapers, and when somebody comes to
Washington for a big conference with the President and they
hold it at that Trump hotel that's just up the
street from the White House, Trump catches. Heck, how would
Bloomberg possibly be president without totally divesting Bloomberg News.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
I've heard many times from some of my liberal friends
out in California during Trump's presidency that he's done this
and abused his power. And I usually like to ask
my follow up question, why, how is that explained to me?
How he's abused his power? Well, you know, he's enriching
himself and the presidency. I said, I'm pretty sure he's
lost money since he's become president. But he didn't need
to become president to get rich. So I was very

(19:47):
confused by that lie. There's an old saying a liar
will never believe you, and so with that kind of logic,
thinking that he must be a criminal. He's such a
crook that he got into this. Now did he get
into it for ego?

Speaker 1 (19:59):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (19:59):
You bet you? All of them do to be a
politician to these days? Do you want to be president
United States? Don't you have to be a little crazy?

Speaker 1 (20:05):
I don't know what. There's this person in the Senate
that looks in the mirror and sees a senator. I
think every one of them look in the mirror and
see a future president. You got it, every single one
of them. Let me ask you this. We talked about
the networks. The network you happen to be involved with
now is NBC, which has faced a bad scandal over
its protection of Harvey Weinstein.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
It has, but let me tell you we were not
touched by that locally. I know you have a question here. Locally,
we are a wonderful affiliate. We have great ownership, and
it's the third time we've been bought and sold since
I've been there. Now we're now under Tegna Broadcasting LEN.
They're a wonderful company to work for and they're fantastic.
We get memos and training all the time about searching
for the truth. So I'm like, kick it upstairs to
NBC National. I want them to be working as hard

(20:46):
as we are on an honest, open a.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
Gent likely that was not the news division that had
to come from upstairs. Sure, So while this is going on,
I guess this is a good thing for NBC's upper brass.
ABC now is in trouble over another steam Stein and
the Jeffrey Epstein case. The president of ABC is facing
the scandal where the lady from twenty twenty was taped

(21:09):
and the tape leaked out and they ended up firing
the wrong person and she escaped to CBS and they
fired her and it turns out she wasn't the one
that leaked it. But it seems like to me, these
two networks, at least in those particular cases, we're not
searching for the truth. They did when it was Bill Cosby,

(21:29):
they didn't when it was Weinstein, they didn't when it
was Epstein, they didn't when it was Bill Clinton. And
now they have people on their air that talk about
the me too movement, and I just wonder.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
There's so much to lose, Lynn, there is so much
to lose. I say, we're so lucky to be the
NBC affiliate in Waco Temple Colleen and then parts of
Brian College station. Our value is not the money we
make every year and the wonderful tax dollars that come
in or the advertising dollars which then pay all of
our salary and go out. We are the only entity.

(22:02):
We are one of a kind. There's only one NBC
affiliate in Waco Temple Colleen, and that in itself is
its magic. It comes with a great responsibility and a
real importance of being able to provide a local service.
And you've only got two hundred and ten of those
NBCs around the country and all of these other cities,
so it's a really special thing to behold. And that's
where our wealth or our responsibility comes from just being

(22:25):
that one special entity. There's one ABC and one CBS
for all these markets, two hundred and ten markets around
the country. Then you've got the big umbrella of the
parent company over the top. They will supplement us and
help us with our news, but we are allowed to
fully generate all of our own local news. And that's
a good thing, and that gives us freedom to really
serve our local community.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
And if something big happens, say it Ford Hook, Yes,
something big happens, if Baylor do they call you guys.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
Yes, And there will be affiliates that will help us,
say for NBC Dallas, NBC Austin, or even Houston. And
then that's how journalism has really changed, is the ability
to then send skeleton cruise or a reporter that's local
people who watch the morning news all the time. We'll
see them throw to a reporter on the scene from
where some kind of news story happened. And more often

(23:11):
than not, that is not an NBC national employee. That's
a stringer that they hired that works at a local
affiliate that is going to get on just as if
they would for the evening news and tell.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
The national audience where do you think news is going.
I can sit here name you the sources that I
don't think are real, and I won't use the term
fake news. Part of its news that is not telling
the whole story. As you said, it's news by omission.
And I'll give you the best example I can think of,
and I think CNN did this too, but this particular
example is the Associated Press. I think it was Ambassador

(23:43):
Gordon Sonlin, who, under fiery questioning from the Democrats attorney
at the impeachment hearing last week, said, yes, everybody was
in the loop. Everybody knew there was a quid pro quote,
so CNN and the AP.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
Or out of this out of his mouth. It was
a great sound bite out of his mouth. All right.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
Then we broke for lunch. The afternoon came and Jim
Jordan and John Ratcliffe and Devin Nons began interviewing this guy.
Did President Trump ever say to you that he wanted
this he must have this investigation or the whole quid
pro quot which later was trans transmographied into bribery by

(24:23):
Nancy Pelosi, And out of Ambassador Sonlon's mouth came the
words he specifically told me, I'm not looking for a
quid pro quo. I don't want one. Go tell President
Zelensky to do the right thing. In my morning paper,
yes where I live in Temple, Texas, the Temple Daily

(24:43):
Telegram of paper I've taken all my life and we'll
we'll read and for the rest of it. The headline
from the Associated Press was Sondland says there was a
quid pro quote.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
Sure, all right.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
The morning testimony indicated that, but the morning testimony was hearsay.
Afternoon testimony was something he said Donald Trump told him directly.
The AP saw no need to mention that, right, I
don't get it.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
And a lot of times what we get from the AP,
and I've been told by my liberal friends as well
that you have to trust the AP. If you're stopping
to trust the APA, you can't be a newsperson. And
the AP stories that we get are very boring. Lynn.
They come to us very nuts and bolts. It's right
off the stenograph from nineteen forty, you know, Japanese attack,
Pearl Harbor Baums fell six thirty. It's all just the facts, ma'am.

(25:29):
It is up to us then to add the flowery
language so we'll get a story from the AP that
then comes from NBC that now has a bunch of
adjectives or hot button words that have been added to
evoke an emotion or to stir someone into thinking a
negative or a positive about a certain situation. And so
I think you have to watch out about that. So
then I made the joke online to my friend who
was saying, you must trust the AP, I said, I

(25:51):
still don't trust the stories the AP does not do
because just to your point of what you just said,
they still get to pick and choose about what is
news and what is news, and we rely on that
as a civilization. We need the crib notes. We can't
sit and read volumes of what happens during the day.
Americans are busy. We're proud of our kids. We're off
doing our sports, we love our entertainment. We work hard

(26:11):
five days a week. We want those two days not
to think about all this stuff. And so it's a
real challenge, and I think that's why over time people
just have had enough, or they say, you know what,
I'm interested, I'm gonna dive a little deeper and then
we'll vote. And then that's what seems to happen every
few years. But the people who are on my business
and the junkies, they're all in and they stay in
and it just continues, this twenty four hour news cycle

(26:32):
of panic.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
I'd like to know a little bit about Chris Radcliffe's heroes.
If you ask me what anchor, network anchor have I
really really almost hero worship. There was a guy named
Frank Reynolds. Okay, Frank died, I believe of AIDS. He
was not gay. He had blood transfusion for something that

(26:55):
he had. Do you remember when Ronald Reagan was shot
at the Washington Hilton.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
I do, was very young. I know the videos, I
know everything about it.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
Sure, Frank Reynolds is sitting there on air, and I
think this is on YouTube to this very day. Frank
Reynolds is there when some young person walks onto the
set hands him a piece of paper. He uncrumples it
on camera and he says the shooter has been identified
as and he stops in his tracks.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
Right.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
He looks at the young person and he says, how
did we source this? You can hear her talking off Mike.
Are we sure? Is this name absolutely verified? He handed
it back to her and he said, go finish the job,
come back when you know for sure sure today it's
a CNN News Break, Fox News Alert for short time,

(27:39):
every story.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
And would have got narrowed down. And you're wrong before
you're right, And that's a mistake, and that's that leads
to panic, and that leads to confusion. I can't wait
to see the new Clinice movie that's coming out about
Richard Jewel. Let me ask you, who's the real bomber
there in nineteen ninety six at the Atlanta Games. I
don't know, no, I don't.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
But according to Sean Hannity, who said it was your
Jewel when he was working in Atlanta radio at the time,
and he's eaten that story a lot, and he has
gotten on his knees on the radio and said how
much he never ever will make that mistake again.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
And my point in telling you that is nobody knows
the name of the real shooter because the jump to
give the fake name was the wrong name. And just
like just like who said from my back door, I
can see Russia.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
Said that, but that one that was not. Seriously, Look,
I'm an old dog here, I used to tell my
radio audience, Chris, I have no lie. So you can
have a lot. Listen to my show for thirty minutes.
I'll tell you what's going on. Because I probably spent
the last ten hours researching this.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
I wanted to touch on something else too, because we
had talked about we're living in crazy times with equipment
and phones and the ability you talk about where where
is news going? I have to remind when I give
school talks or when I talk to the local chambers
or anybody I speak to. We've had four presidents murdered
in this country. We are not living in crazy times.
We are living in the times we live under. And
I'm so weird. I cannot only name them, but I

(28:59):
can name the Well that's except the one that killed
the French one.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
Yeah, Who's name I Kennedy. But I know that Charlie
Ghetto killed mister Garfield. And I know that Lee Harvey Oswald,
at least in my opinion. Sure, I wrote a song
about it, asking the question, but I still think he
did it. And I was asked that on Facebook today, Yeah,
who killed Kennedy and why? I said, probably Lee Harvey
Oswald and probably because of the bay of pigs.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
The science shows that the two shots that hit Kennedy
came from the sixth story book depository window. Can we
put the gun in Oswald's hands?

Speaker 1 (29:31):
Not really?

Speaker 2 (29:32):
Can we? Can we say that the you know, he
was put up to it by somebody other than his
own mind. We can't say that either. But I will
tell you this, there's no doubt that he murdered JD. Tippet,
a police officer, within forty five minutes of probably shooting
the president. Who would kill a police officer for just
being questioned unless you'd already committed a more heinous murder.

(29:52):
And for me, that tells me everything I need to
know about motive.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
And then the weird turn that a couple of days later,
Oswald is being moved as Dallas pledge say roll in
on that one, and Jack Ruby comes in. Jack Rubinstein
was his real name. He was a nightclub operator, and
literally takes him out. Now, I was nineteen sixty. I
was thirteen when Kennedy was killed. So that tells you
I will be seventy in a few days, A very

(30:17):
youthful seventy, I might ask, But I worked, and I
think you may have done a little something in this building.
I'll ask you that in a minute. But Communications Center.
You had the big old Dallas Morning News building and
then a driveway between and then WFAA AMFMTV. When I
went to work there in nineteen seventy two, and I
got assigned county courts and County Commissioner's Court, which was

(30:40):
in the Records building, which was right over there in
the neighborhood of the school book Depository. So I got
so totally involved in the Kennedy assassination theories that in
the mid seventies were swirling. Hugh Ainsworth, who went to
ABC on the strength of his Kennedy reporting as an
investigator for ABC News, had written books of about it.

(31:01):
Robert sam Anson, everybody had. And I was working with
Ed Bush at the time. He did a late night
talk show, and we were under the fairness doctrine, so
no politics, no, but we could do conspiracy theories, okay,
and we did them. And so I wrote this song
about it. And so I've had so much time to
read about it. I still think it was Oswald. I'm

(31:22):
like you, I just everything indicates it.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
I got into it with my mom rest her soul
years ago because I had read a lot of books
on conspiracy theories. That's what I picked up on first,
just like you did, because you start, you start finding
out what could have happened, and then that points you
in the direction of what the science shows did happen.
And I kept telling my mom. I was like, I
just we don't want to believe that one person could
take out the president of the United States, And my
mom goes, no, he did it, and he acted alone.

(31:46):
And so then I think it was in the late
seventies where they actually came up with there could have
been a conspiracy, There might have been a fourth or
fifth shot, and once you have that there, so I
think there was some kind of a second congressional investigation
that kind of left a loophole open on that. But
the more I studied it, and by the time I
read Gerald Posner's case closed, it became definitive to me
that the science indicated that the two bullets that went
through first his neck and then the magic bullet that

(32:08):
ended up in Conley's back, and that was the second
shot allegedly fired, and then the third was the fatal headshot.
Those came from behind him back up and everybody goes
huck on the head go back and forward from the
you know, the direction. Well, because you have a small
hole entering the back and an explosion out towards the
front side where it went out, then the force goes again.
The direction has to kick back in there. And this
all happened so fast because of science that you can't
see it on the human eye.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
And let's use that story to transition back into news.
Nineteen sixty. Ten year old Lynn here was a big
Nixon fan. Okay, because my parents were sure in this.
But you know, I listened to Kennedy. I was ten
years old, and my significant other ride now thinks I

(32:50):
watch a lot of news. I was ten years old.
I watched those debates. I watched them, and everybody that
listened to those debates on the radio said Nixon won. Sure,
but if you watched it on television, Nixon's beard was
showing through. He wasn't clean shaver. He didn't wear the
TV makeup that I know you probably have on right
now as a.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
Matter of fact, and the jowls and the sagging eyes,
and he looked like a cartoon character himself.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
Anyway, and he looked uneasy. And here comes JFK. Cool
as a cucumber, smiling. He did have that gift, yes,
and so he became president of the United States. I
just read Killing Kennedy by Bill O'Reilly recently, and of
course a lot of other books of that nature, and
he has O'Riley does has a whole chapter on the

(33:37):
whole Maryland Mow Marilyn Monroe thing, her singing Happy Birthday,
mister President in the night that they allegedly slept together
and all this kind of thing, and the media knew
about that and protected him. I think the media protected
Bill Clinton to a certain extents. And then Dan rather

(33:58):
turns it around by going after George W. Bush right
before the election, and it's gone downhill against Republican presidents,
but Obama seemingly could do no wrong.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
Well again, and it goes to the policies on what
you think. You made a great point about nineteen sixty
You were all for Richard Nixon. You know, now, as
we look back in history, Kennedy ran on lowering taxes
in strong national defense.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
Kennedy couldn't be a Democrat now, So Kennedy said, look,
if you want a stimulus, you give the people a
big tax cut. Correct. Kennedy was what a communist fighter?
Correct Kennedy saved the guy's life tough on crime off
of the PT one O nine by towing him to shore.
You don't have anybody really in either party like that.
Is there anybody that's running for the presidency right now

(34:44):
that was a war hero?

Speaker 2 (34:46):
Some would argue pet buddag Jeje and Tulci Gabbertt just
with it with their service.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
Yeah, their service.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
But you're right as far as a monumental event to
uncover or to and nobody should embellish on that. Please.
You know, if the press is coming searching for that
great story to make a hero out of somebody. You
asked me a minute ago, who were your heroes? I
have one answer.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
My father.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
My dad was a guy who was a blue collar worker,
former Democrat from Iowa. That was only a Democrat in
the sense that, you know, the unions are going to
help them working men and women, and if the crops
don't flow this year, we're gonna need a little help
from the government.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
Before that was my parents.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
Correct. Well, it is a different time and a different generation.
But he was all about hard work and it'll take
you everywhere in life. And he became a school teacher
for years and used to fight administrators as they wanted
to change the football games to seven o'clock on a
Friday night so they could get home sooner with their families.
And my dad say, no, we're not here for you,
We're here for the kids. Seven thirty kickoff so that
the parents can get off work and get here. This
is what it's all about. And so that was the

(35:40):
work ethic that was instilled in me. And that's that's
where I came from.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
That.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
You know, you don't go for handouts. And I think
with our modern policies, leon are we out of ideas?
I mean, that's one thing. I mean to say, okay,
cut taxes, but every idea I hear pitched nowadays, almost
everything's been tried. Right, We've tried handouts and give outs.
And what really works I think it goes back to
the great communicator, Ronald Reagan. What really works is given

(36:04):
a man a job.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
Well, can you name success. Can you name the last
president who left office with a surplus?

Speaker 2 (36:11):
Uh nationally or just for the last budget for the
year the last president, yes had with the national surplus.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
That would be Bill Bill Clinton, I would say budget,
And how did he do that? Because New Gingridge was
Speaker of the House, and Gingridge was in control of
a lot of votes in Congress. Right then, he put
the contract with America through, sat down with Bill Clinton
and said, look, let's actually get something done. Clinton hated it.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
He promised to fix it, correct, but he cared about
his legacy and he wanted to get things done in office.
And I'm glad you bring this up because you know,
Lincoln is considered our greatest president ever. More than one
out of two people in the country hated the man
so much so that they wanted him dead for it,
and finally was assassinated. So just because you're your modern
day popularity doesn't determine whether you're a good president or not. No,
he with the policies that you live under for years

(36:57):
after he saved the Union, sure, and he abandoned slavery
and took us to the next path in the next chapter.
So when you say you know what makes a great
president or something, only time will tell on that. All
I know is we're living under great prosperity in both
financial and freedom throughout the world. Right now. Now there's
a different track. We could become more globalist and become
more of a society that's world managed, and that's what

(37:18):
a lot of our country wants to do.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
You could argue that there was one president greater than
Abraham Lincoln, and that would be George Washington. Without George Washington,
we have no country. They went to Washington, what do
you want to be? Do you want to run the
country as king? Do you want to be prime minister?
He said, nope, I'm going to serve. I'm going to leave.
So we came up with a constitution that served that

(37:40):
particular purpose and we didn't end up as a kingdom.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
He understood the importance of the checks and balances between
the three forms of government. We have seen over the
last forty years the legislature legislature just give up their
powers and given more and more of their powers to
the executive branch and ask them to take more responsibility
and including the declaration correct, there's one thing you can
do is lead us as a president. The president should

(38:05):
lay out his vision for the country. But then that
should be the check in the ballance of the legislation
to actually pass this law. Forget executive orders. They should
be working to pass laws, as was thought by our
founding fathers.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
You mentioned sixty minutes. Yeah, sixty minutes. I tuned in
this past weekend and I lasted three minutes. About seven
or eighty seven ago. Yeah, Steve Kroft did a piece
and I'm trying to remember the name of it. I
think I ran. I recorded the audio and ran it
on this podcast a couple of weeks ago. Washington's dirty secret,

(38:39):
and the dirty secret was that members of Congress get
up in the morning and instead of going to work
in their respective chamber, they do a couple of fundraisers
before they get there. He talked about ways that they
have and did the ambush interviews that probably you probably
don't do those, but the crop was doing them. Mister

(39:02):
member of Congress. I note that the biggest person on
your campaign payroll is your daughter in law, and that
she's making one hundred thousand dollars, and it was devastating.
Something called leadership packs that Congress put into effect, which
basically gives them the ability not to take the money
out and spend it any way they want, but they

(39:23):
can spend it anywhere they want, on anything they want,
as long as it's related to Congress. So they have leadership.
They're called leadership packs. They'll have these little packs, do
these leadership conferences in the Bahamas and maybe in France somewhere,
you know, and it's crazy. And then he talked about
the ethics legislation. After Congress got caught with the insider trading,

(39:44):
they passed pretty stiff legislation, very public, and then very
quietly a year or so later they rescinded it.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Sure, just right by the wayside, and we have.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
No term limits. So a member of Congress number one
thing is not to control the border. It's not to
do something about at twenty three trillion dollars.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
To keep that cash campaign.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
It's to get reelected.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
Absolutely, it's Hollywood for the ugly, as mister Limbos.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
Is well, and I think you make a great point.
But there are those who are addicted to the power
that really love and you'll see them because they run
to the cameras and they're on a lot, and they're
reliable and they give good sound bites because again what
I was talking about earlier, conflict equals good. Who's one
of the best quotes out there right now, John Kennedy,
Senator from Louisiana. Oh he always gives you some good singers.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
Oh yeah, So what he said at the Trump rally
the other Yeah, I can't remember exactly what it was,
but it was a good singer.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
How do you not put that on the air. That
kind of thing. So both sides are looking for that
kind of thing. It's much better than your parent giving
you a responsible talk at the dinner table, which most
Americans don't want to hear these days. Lynn, But we
really need it as a country.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
Because well, that's your station's fault. Everybody's watching Wheel of Fortuhew.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
That's true. That's a great show. It's the most watch
show in our area.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
And Pat Sayjack is a conservative as far as I can.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
Say, yeah, I think he is. But again, it doesn't
come across on the air now because it's a game
show like, for example, we had a climate change stampede
onto a field dish last weekend in the football game
between Yale and UH and Harvard. And for me, I
want all that out of my I want politics out
of my sports. I want to put that in the
pie of the eight things or ten things in my

(41:17):
life that when I'm ready to walk into that field,
then I'll concentrate on it. I don't want these pies
bleeding together Let's talk about my quality time with my family.
I don't want work to be bleeding into that pie.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
Let's talk about this. They were playing at Yale, as
I recall, and they don't have lights at the stadium
and they delayed the game by one or two hours. Yeah,
hey ho ho. Climate change has got to go or
something trying to get Yale and Harvard to divest themselves
of any investment.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
In fossil fuel.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
I want to make a statement because when I tell
myself this, I scare myself. The brightest, smartest young people
in the country go to Yale and Harvard, and yet
this is what they did well.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
Sure, and many of them also, I mean, they're there
on massive grants, and it's at a huge expense to be there,
and many of them have been given such a gift
or the father's name correct or such an opportunity, and
that it really became. And again it's what I was
telling you about earlier. It's all perspective, and it's all
where we come from. We are born ignorant and innocent

(42:21):
and being held by our mama and can't rely on
a meal or to make it through the night. If
they weren't there for us, and we must wean ourselves
across all that and learn how to become stable and successful.
And if we don't have the right nudges or the
right coaching, or the right mentors, or the right teaching
or the right education along the way, we will hand
ourselves right back into bondage.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
Well, and if you don't like the Ivy League, good luck,
because virtually every member of the United States Supreme Court
went to Yale or Harvard. There may be one that
went somewhere else, but I think every one of them
has an Ivy League connection.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
And these are the policymakers of tomorrow exactly.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
Yeah, it's it's just crazy, all right. Well, we've been
doing this for a long while. Here, let's just wrap
it up with a couple of generic things. Here, where
do you see television? I guess, radio, newspapers, the whole,
the whole thing. In ten years, well, it's going to
get faster and go faster.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
So anything we consume as Americans, if it's possible to
become more instant than we already have, that technology will
lean toward that. In other words, I can watch many
TV shows right now in live time with a five
or ten second delay, on my phone, on my iPhone
or something like that. So I see the continued blogg
A sphere. I see that growing. I see other major

(43:35):
networks going away. I think that's a bad thing. I
think the more networks you can have, the better it
is for competition. There should be three Fox News. Is
that yield to all three of the conservative audiences out there,
the Rhinos, the totally strict Tea Party, and the libertarian
or the libertarians? Exactly right? And we know we have
that void filled on the other side with the ABC

(43:57):
networks as well, the Alphabet net works as we like
to call them. But I think blogger spheres, gossip and
the other My wife made a great point. She says,
you know, people aren't shopping on basic commercials anymore. You
see a commercial on TV that wants to sell you
a shirt or your wife a shirt. No, people go
to women who are wonderfully I don't even know who
they are. You've never heard of a super we know

(44:19):
some of these supermodel names. You don't know who some
of these bloggers are. Lynn. They're selling millions and millions
of dollars worth of product every year because they have followers.
People follow them, follow them they love their style. They
advertise the new trend, they show what's hot, and then
that goes to the app. Then that's where the people go.
Advertising dollars for news consumption will follow that information. So
whatever could be sold will survive. If it can't be sold,

(44:42):
it will go the way.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
Of the Dodall right, do the four major networks survive?

Speaker 2 (44:45):
Yes? The four do. I believe that CNN will be
in real trouble. I think the yeah, because they'll be
too many lanes filled for that that liberal agenda. And
right now the alphabet networks have that, ABC, CBS, and NBC,
and I think there may be a room for MSNBC because,
like you were saying, they're honest about their agenda and
they say what they're going to do and they do it.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
But you talk about lanes being filled, and that's classic positioning.
I'll give you an example. The three big box stores.
You had one that was always low prices, that's Walmart.
You had one, well, our prices are okay, but we're
a little more upscale and that's Target, And there was
no lane for Kmart. No.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
And when you see somebody like Amazon, I think over
the next ten years they will make a play for
all the AGP stores or all of the Walmart stores.
One will put the other out of business. Whoever can
dance first will be caught without a chair, or whoever
dances last when the music stops won't.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
Have a chair.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
Let me ask, I think when you go to your
local achip they will now bring your groceries out to
your car. It's the future.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
But you talk about the lanes. And let's bring that
back into cable news. If Fox is positioned as the
conservative network, and I think even though it has a
down the line news department, you have to admit Hannity, Carlson, Ingram.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
Those are conservatives most definitely their whole hour Bisbee upon that.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
All right, so let's let's let's let's slap that label
on Fox. It's more conservative. MSNBC is just blatant about it,
all things liberal, left leaning, progressive, move forward, the whole
thing they're they're virtually abract with with former two former
Republicans hosting their shows.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
In the morning. Morning Joe is a Republican, and he's right,
there's none of that left.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
No Scarborough. Scarborough, he used to be a Republican. He's
more of a Mika Brazinsky Democrat.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
He was always a rhino.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
But but but if Fox is is right and MSNBC
is left, doesn't that leave a real news down middle
for CNN?

Speaker 2 (46:38):
No, because they're not they're not down the middle, but
they're not taking it.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
But isn't that what?

Speaker 2 (46:43):
Yes? Yes, exactly right.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
The most trusted name in news gives us panel after
panel of anti Trump.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
Well, that's correct, and they can do that if they
want in their evening hours, because you're going to go
where you want to be. But like like you said,
if you're going to call your news department, you're going
to do spot news of the day until five pm
or whatever until you start your opinion programming. It's got
to be down the middle. You can't show up a
graphic you know in you know, Chile and show where
there's a bridge that's out and some people got killed

(47:10):
and it's Trump's fault. You can't do that at three
in the afternoon and call yourself down the middle.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
Well, it's true, all right. One thing I want people
to know about this guy, Chris Radcliffe, it was this
is the third occasion that I've interviewed you, and it's
been in a different studio every time, which shows your
stable and I'm not. But back in the day when
Hurricane Harvey came in devastated Houston, it's KHOU Is that right?

Speaker 2 (47:37):
They're the one that flooded, flooded. But I got on
their airwaves by going to Dallas.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
To Dallas, That's what I was saying. You had an
experience in that building where I worked for three years
in radio. That must have been something. What was it
like to go from anchoring the news in Waco Temple
to suddenly you're on in the nation's fourth largest TV market.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Yeah, that was pretty neat. And I'll tell you the
way they do things at WFA is right. I mean,
their whole operation had set up all the way from
their newsroom to their studios and now their new facilities
at Victory Park incredible. And I had friends I hadn't
seen for years, or friends that I grew up in
southern California that are now living in Houston that had
seen me, and we're like, where were you talking to
us from? Oh, Dallas, But you don't live in Dallas. No,

(48:16):
I live in the Waco area.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
So twenty years ago, no, I mean, but now you
can transmit video via Internet it's crazy, Lynn.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
It was amazing. Twenty years ago, thirty years ago, they
made sure if you were live, you told everybody you
were alive. That was like a big deal. We're live now,
we assume everybody's living. So then once it became high definition,
we wanted to tell everybody, Hey, you're looking at us
in a high definition. We didn't know what your TV
set at home was like, which you might not be,
but we told you you were. What's going to be next.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
It's funny that you guys in television if finally caught
up with us radio guys. Back in about nineteen seventy one,
I get a call. I'm at WFA, No, I was
at Krold. I'd moved over to Krold, so it would
have been seventy two or seventy three. I get a
call that the Fairmount Hotel is on fire, and I'm
the closest porter because I was over at the White
Courthouse close to where the Kennedy assassination site was, so

(49:05):
I high tailed it over to the Fairmont. There were
fire trucks everywhere, sirens going, smoke coming out of the
hotel lobby. It was all marked off with police and
fire tape and I looked around, and when the coast
was clear, I ducked under the tape, went into the hotel,
covered my face where the handkerchief pound it found a
pay phone because we had no cell phones. And I

(49:26):
did a report from the smoky inside of the Fairmont Hotel,
ending the report with guys, I gotta go, I gotta
get out of here. I don't know how bad this
fire is. Right, And you talk about dramatic radio, Now,
you guys can do that in television, but you couldn't
do it then you had to go back and develop
the film.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
No, And it's the cell phone that's changed everything, because
literally we are a walking hotspot everywhere we go. We
used to say we used to have to send it
even ten years ago, through a truck back to a
microwave which then intercepted it. Or we had to buy
satellite airtime, send it to space and have it come
back off of delay. Now everything is done via the
cell phone, with just a little box that generates everything.
It's incredibrazy.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
Yeah, well, I did twenty two years on your air
right once a year Children's Miracle Networks. One of the
greatest things of my life. I have so many fond
memories of that and working with the guys over over
there like Cletus Johnson and Pad Hargus and Gail Kiger.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
Who yeah, he's been walk with us twice.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
Who's back now as the manager and one of the
great managers that I worked with there, Randy O'Dell and
oh yeah, and others. So thanks so much for coming
by Studio L and talking a little news.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
With us anytime. It's a lot of fun, and I
want people to know where it's going and then how
hard we are trying to bring it straight down the middle.
And we know the distractions that are out there and
the passion that's out there. There's a lot of angry
people out there, and we hear a lot of the negative,
but we've been hearing more and more of the positive,
and I think that's from our leadership at our station
and the good people we have working for us. And
I think there's a lot worse places in the country

(50:56):
we could be right now than Central Texas. There's a
lot of good folks here and a lot of people
are trying to make this generation as good as it
can be to leave to the next generation. Nothing wrong
with that, man that's the American dream.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
Chris Radcliffe, six and ten o'clock anchor, k c E,
n TV, NBC six, Waco Temple, Colleen Brian Market, Chris,
thank you so much. That was great.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
It was a blast, my pleasure.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
I'm Lynn Woolley and this is playing at Logic