615 - Ozzy Osbourne - Diary of a Madman

615 - Ozzy Osbourne - Diary of a Madman: Chris, Nick, and Andy break down the title track of Ozzy Osbourne's 1981 album Diary of a Madman. 

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
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He's gonna do it for you. He does it every week.
Let's find out exactly what it is.

Speaker 5 (02:29):
Ways the podcast, Nick Pollock has entered the program with
at least a double tribute.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
I saw two parts of it. Was it a triple tribute? Double?
I only know. I wasn't sure how to incorporate anyone
else into the tribute, So it's a double tribute.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
Well, you did a very excellent job. Got an Aussie tribute.
We've got a Hull cog and tribute. No theo Huxtable.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
No.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
I watched a video where he did a full on
James Brown. I'm like, well, I ain't doing that. Oh really?
Was it on the show? Yeah? Yeah, he could. Like
the tribute is that I can't give him a tribute?

Speaker 3 (03:15):
Okay, what about a Chuck Mangioni tribute?

Speaker 4 (03:20):
Also gone today? What's going on?

Speaker 2 (03:22):
I don't know how I would have done that one either,
But yeah, it's it's been. It's been just rapid fire
in the past few days here.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
You know, looking at your phone is a rough, rough
bet to go in there and hope you get good news. Lately,
every time I look, someone else has gone.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
Yeah, and it was just like today, it was like,
within what twenty minutes, it was like hul Cogan passed away,
Chuck Mangioni passed away. It's like, what's what's happening? Yeah,
well we will carry on as we the only thing
we know how to do. Over here.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
Two next immediate left. You want him? We got him
with a new hip.

Speaker 6 (04:11):
Can have it every day?

Speaker 7 (04:18):
Can Hen.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Get out of the way?

Speaker 3 (04:23):
Yeah, put your hands together for the breakout star of
the podcast medium Chris here.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
Plenty of cartilage in that finger.

Speaker 8 (04:34):
Yeah, those appendages are working fine, so with the original equipment.

Speaker 4 (04:39):
No finger replacement surgery.

Speaker 8 (04:42):
None, thankfully.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
On the Horizon, Would you get a bigger one?

Speaker 3 (04:49):
Yeah, I mean, if you have to get a replacement,
you can pick the size. It's like when you get
new teeth. Maybe you could say I want it to be.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
You know, I want them to be straighter or whiter
or whatever, like Steve Hard.

Speaker 8 (05:00):
Yeah, I will say that there was so much cartilage
gone in my hip that just before surgery, the doctor
observed that my left leg was shorter than my right leg.
Is all the cartilage, it's it's just so popped in

(05:21):
the new hip. And now I'm back equal length.

Speaker 4 (05:26):
There you are. We're happy to have you up and well.

Speaker 8 (05:30):
And my voice is a little off because I have
been taking pain killers. It's necessary, uh so, apologies for that,
but I am here, just like when I had COVID
rose to the occasion to give you people a show. Plus,
like you guys talked about, we got a lot to
unpack this week.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
So going above and beyond all things considered. So we're
thankful for that, and we're thankful we're all here, and
we're thankful you are here. God, I hope you're here.

Speaker 4 (06:00):
This week. You never know, so you're not here, Well,
I hope not anyway. Here we are rough.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
Week.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
We lost Malcolm Jamal Warner. Monday, we lost Ozzie Tuesday.
I don't know who we lost one Wednesday we were safe,
I guess as far as celebrities. Then today Thursday, as
we're recording this, we lost both Haul Hogan, Chuck Me
and gem Yeah.

Speaker 8 (06:22):
And didn't Connie Francis die.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
Connie Francis was before last week? Jeez? Yeah, what a week? Yeah?
What one of those weeks where collectively we ponder our mortality.

Speaker 4 (06:40):
Yeah, no kidding, but.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
We might have more. Well, I'll get into it. You
guys hungry. I am okay, are you sending us to
the grave early? No? No, no, no, I'm I'm I'm
here to uh, I'm here to help. Okay, good, if
you will, well then who.

Speaker 8 (07:12):
All right?

Speaker 2 (07:12):
So this week, I see we have two Nick's laughing,
We have two.

Speaker 4 (07:20):
I forgot what your camera it is.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
It's this one up top here there's a heart shaped
ramakin with some kind of pudding or something, and it.

Speaker 4 (07:27):
We'll find out what that is.

Speaker 8 (07:28):
And that.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
Careful delicate of this other one is a bit delicate.
I'll just leave this, just leave this here in the box.
Explain what's happening here. Uh so what we got here?
I had to do some sort of Ozzy tribute with
the bake treats this week. Uh had a had a

(07:54):
couple of brainstorms. I thought those are silly enough. I'm
doing it. Okay. Tie into Chris just being in the
hospital for a stay. So I wanted to pick some
some sort of desserts that would help to acclimate him
back into society after his stay in the hospital. So

(08:17):
something that you can get in the hospital when you're
when you're staying over, they'll bring you pudding sometimes. So
what we have there is the ultimate cinnamon pudding. Nice. Okay,
And what we've got everybody at home, say it with me.

(08:40):
What's the what's your favorite cookie while you're staying in
the hospital. Yes, Lorna Dune's. So I found a mock
Lorna Dune recipe. And in honor of Ozzie and Black Sabbath,
that's the hand of Doune. Nice, very good. So the
allimate cinnamon in the hand of the ultimate cinnamon, putting

(09:03):
in the hand of Dune.

Speaker 4 (09:04):
Perfect.

Speaker 8 (09:05):
So you said this is fragile.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
Well, Dune, it might be a bit I could easily
break a finger off. Well, have you broken one off? No, no,
but I was. I was. I put them in a
box and everything. Yeah, recorded them very careful. Now we
can just destroy them. No, you can do everyone, but
you can do the whatever the Gene Simmons handside.

Speaker 8 (09:26):
It could have could have very easily been the Lorna
of this world cookie as well.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
Can we clap them together?

Speaker 1 (09:34):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (09:34):
I just broke the hand. See you say, can we
clap them together?

Speaker 1 (09:37):
Like?

Speaker 2 (09:38):
Well, you now you know the answer? Yeah, I guess not.
The answer is no. Look at poor Ozzie's hand broke.

Speaker 8 (09:45):
Uh well, the ultimate sin uh men pudding is quite thick.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
It is. I might have still I'm not.

Speaker 4 (09:53):
Uh well, it is ultimate.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
It is ultimate, And I will say I had some
I would if I make it a again, I think
I would turn the heat down sooner and then let
it cool so it's not quite as thick. But the taste,
to me, I think is deserving of the title. In
my that's my opinion.

Speaker 8 (10:12):
Yeah, no, I agree, it tastes good.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
Chris Camarado said, no shot in the Peppermint Bark Peppermint
Bark at the moon.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Could do a whole a whole month of that. Well,
I saw there was a thing at the back to
the beginning show where Jakie Lee was posing with some
sort of like I don't know, there's a stand or
a food truck or something that was called Bake at
the Moon.

Speaker 4 (10:34):
Oh wow, So they were really the whole event was themed.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
Oh it was the whole The whole city of Birmingham
was just straight up you know everything. It's like when
Kiss says they're taking over New York. I have my
doubts as to whether that actually happened. When they said that.

Speaker 3 (10:51):
Kiss couldn't even take over Walmart that they were supposed
to twelve there's no arguing with that one. I wish
they did, oh we but we went there and they
did not.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
Yeah, but Ozzie slash Black Sabbath, Yeah, completely took over
Birmingham from what I'm from my understanding from AFARM.

Speaker 8 (11:11):
Yeah, by all counts, that was a resounding success. Yeah,
and they got it in before he passed away what
two weeks later, so, you know, incredible, Unlike so many
stories at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame where
they dragged their feet on inducting deserving acts and a
member who dies before it's able to happen.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
So yeah, I was thinking about a few years back.
They had that Betty White thing planned where she was
going to turn a hundred, right, and they had, you know,
stuff on the magazines, and when you're in the grocery store,
you see the magazines and Betty yet one hundred. Why
would you do that TV special supposed to be coming
like what two weeks a week, two weeks before she

(11:54):
turned a hundred, she passed away, didn't you know? Just
so close. I mean it's not her fault, no, no, no,
I'm just saying, but it's just interesting how the timing
works on some of these things. And the one for Ozzie,
I mean, he he had a real, uh grand finale there, so.

Speaker 8 (12:13):
Yeah, and I think leading up to it there was
plenty of doubt as to whether he was going to
make it to the end.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
But I know you said he wanted to stand.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
That was Did you see any of those clips where
it looked like he was just kind of trying to
kind of heartbreaking.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
It is because I'm sure in his mind he was
probably thinking, well, I'm not sure, but it seemed to
be that if he did it, crowd will a nuts
and it would have been just incredible moment. Yeah, still
in a different way, a poignant sort of a moment. Yeah,
and we didn't. I mean it didn't need to happen. No, no,

(12:48):
you know, be as great as it was. But it
looked like the impression yeah that I got. Also, was
that man he really wanted to Yeah, and if he did,
it would have been like just this iconic moment and
all of a sudden. So we've all seen a bunch
of clips from back to the beginning. But is there
a plan to put like a professionally it's supposed to

(13:09):
have a theatrical release. They announced that like last.

Speaker 4 (13:12):
Week, and Okay, that's good because I was.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
Like, they're working on the Hagar song. They got to
get industrial, they gotta get th h X and the
Spielberg people. What is that damn thing called industrial light
and sound or whatever, the thing that the company that
did Star Wars or whatever.

Speaker 8 (13:32):
I just remove it. That's really what they should.

Speaker 4 (13:35):
Do, Industrial light and magic. That's it.

Speaker 8 (13:38):
Like he had one job to learn the material and
he didn't do it. Well.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
He did his song right, well, of.

Speaker 8 (13:45):
Course he did. And he was sure to tell people
when they were calling him out. The reason why he
was here. He couldn't get that material right. Oh, but
he got rock Candy right because he wrote it and he's,
you know, fifty years ago.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
He's been singing it that whole time.

Speaker 8 (14:03):
Dick.

Speaker 3 (14:06):
Yeah, I laughed when I saw that. Well, if you
paid attention to rock Candy, I did. I sang that fine, Okay.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
I think I don't know how many people made it
past the Flying High again. Yeah, anyway, I hope you
guys are enjoying your You're Azzie and Slash Chris themed
bake treats.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
You know you said the ultimate Cinnamon. I know the
album obviously, but what is the ultimate sin? Does he
ever say what it is in the song? Or it
revealed what the actual sin is?

Speaker 8 (14:42):
Do you want to pick that song? We could delve
into it. It's your decision. A lot of ways you
could go with this one.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
Yeah, No, I just wasn't sure if he says like,
I mean, I have a conclusion that I come to
when I when I hear it, but maybe maybe I
shouldn't go there just in case. Well, I'm not gonna
pick it, So if you want to share it, you can.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
If no, it might come up at some other oh
on another episode. Yeah, okay, well, thank you for the treats.
They're delightful so far, but I'll continue eating them as
the show goes.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
You're welcome. I have to do some talking. Yes, it's
hard for clicking, and you got to do everything right now.
This is my time. So, as I was mentioned just
moments ago, Andy is the one whose shoulders this falls on.
This herculean task it is.

Speaker 4 (15:34):
Jeez, it's a big one.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, considering the magnitude of tribute episodes,
I don't think it gets bigger. No, it does not.
I wouldn't think so. I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
Well, let me tell you this, since we're getting into it.
You know, I was thinking about which song to pick,
cause there's a lot of good ones for this acade
or whatever, you know, just as like a tribute episode,
or you know, something that kind of wraps up whatever
thing like, oh, you know Black Sabbath.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
The song would be a.

Speaker 4 (16:09):
Great one, the first song on the first Black Sabbath album.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
But I'm not choosing it. So I'm just going to
name a couple of the ones that I was debating.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Now are they are these? Did you go to the list? No,
this is just from my mind.

Speaker 3 (16:20):
Okay, of what I wanted to listen to or what
I've been listening to this week. Megalomania, but that's nine
minutes plus. Yeah, and hey, God bless Ozzy, but we
don't need to do a nine minute episode. That'll be
three hours.

Speaker 8 (16:37):
So you've been listening to Megalomain.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
Yeah, Yeah, that's what That's what I've always liked.

Speaker 8 (16:43):
It's from what's become my favorite Sabbath album over the year.
It's as Ozzie peak perform vocal performance.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
It's such a wild vocal.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
I mean the whole album, I'm sure, but in Megalomania
when it kicks up like whatever that is three four
minutes in, that's a hard vocal to sing.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
That's rough, that's totally really wild, like full power of
that high screaming.

Speaker 8 (17:12):
When the cocaine kicked in, he took it to another
level of vocally and he cook he accomplished it.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
Yeah, Never Say Die, I like, that's not a good
one too, love it.

Speaker 8 (17:25):
Now those the album seven and eight Technical Ecstasy, Never
Say Die, or albums that I've warmed up to over
the years, but definitely a significant fall off in quality
to my ears from the first six of those two,
I think they were just all the insanity surrounding them

(17:48):
just kind of took its toll and they just kind
of you can hear them unraveling on those two. But
there's some great moments obviously.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
Yeah. Well, can I say real quick that I had
a feeling coming into it that it was going to
be an Aussie related song. Still don't know what it is, obviously,
but as of today Hull Hogan passed away. I thought,
are we getting Metallica now?

Speaker 3 (18:17):
The bass, the bassis they always wanted but couldn't land.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
Well, I don't know. Maybe I mean that he's gonna
be anesthesia pulling teeth.

Speaker 8 (18:30):
Well, you could pick something from Injustice for All because
there's no bass on there. You could just imagine what
it would sound like if Hull.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
And just Hulk Hogan promos underneath it the entire time.
That would work at the right frequency, That could add
to the album.

Speaker 4 (18:50):
That might be an experiment for you to work on
for next week.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
Oh yeah, and then you know on the AUSI solo stuff,
tons of songs you could pick that are iconic. Oh
you know, so it's hard to pick, and I had
a lot of ideas there's the Goodbye to Romance version
that's just Ozzie and Randy, which is very nice, but
I think that would be hard for everyone to listen to.

Speaker 4 (19:15):
It's a little too emotional. I think for this.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
Program, it'd be difficult for everyone to get through that.

Speaker 9 (19:22):
I think.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
Yeah, So I was talking to you guys as my pick.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
You know what are we gonna do? You set your pick,
see what's on the list from Black Sabbath and Aussie
and pick something. I'm like, oh, okay, if any of
the ones that I have in mind are on the list,
I will choose it. So I looked at the list
submitted today, Oh all right, or maybe it was yesterday,
but submitted after the passing. I was thinking, actually it

(19:50):
was on Tuesday.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
I was thinking, there's probably an influx of Ozzie Yeah
songs that have been on the list now.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
Yeah, so submitted when Ozzie passed on Tuesday.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
The twenties. Okay, Okay, I look perfect.

Speaker 3 (20:01):
This is one that I had in my mind. I
think it'll be fun.

Speaker 8 (20:07):
So fun is good. Fun is the proper spirit. I
think we can try and muster up.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
Yeah, So let's turn the microphone over to Chris Jerichole.

Speaker 7 (20:20):
Hell, this one's called.

Speaker 3 (20:22):
Diary of a Madman. Awful Diary of a Madman by
the band Ozzy Osbourne. Oh my goodness, one of the options.
I was kicking around and I saw it was added
on the twenty second by our dear friend Aaron Green,
and I.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
Said, oh that's fair, Yes you are. You went for it. Yeah,
this is a no nonsense, no messing around pick here.
Yeah it is.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
Aaron said, the whole middle section might be the greatest
piece of music ever.

Speaker 4 (20:53):
Written our ip Ozzy. So there you go.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
What are your thoughts on this one before we get started.
It's not much shorter than nine minutes, is it. It's
a little bit shorter, but uh, well maybe six I
don't know. Yeah, probably more like that. But a lot
of Azzi songs are long. Not everyone, but there are
a lot of them. One ones where you could tell
it was not going to be a radio yeah single,

(21:21):
yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
And Black Sabbath too. They weren't shy about now pushing it.
It's their first album, like five songs or something, six songs.

Speaker 8 (21:31):
Yeah, but there are a couple of long ones on there.

Speaker 3 (21:34):
Yeah, I mean it's like a full length it's just Yeah, yes,
here we go Diary of a Madman six sixteen. Yeah,
but you know there's a seven, there's a five point
fifty one, five point thirty nine, So this is nineteen
eighty one. What an album cover.

Speaker 4 (21:55):
Azzi's in full horses ass mode on the cover.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
It's supposed to be.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
It's great because he's supposed to be like frightening, but
you could tell he's kind of he's probably drunk and
or high and having a great time, but also trying
to be frightening trying to be serious, like he's in
full assie mode on the cover just makes it even better.

Speaker 8 (22:16):
Yeah, he was definitely more legitimately frightening on the Blizzard
of Oz cover. Yeah, so I think you're I totally
think you're right on this one. He was just hamming
it up a little bit more. Yeah, And I wouldn't
be surprised if they finally just had to settle on
something because they wanted him to click into like menacing

(22:37):
Ozzy and he just wasn't there that day.

Speaker 4 (22:40):
So yeah, they only had the photographer for an hour.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
Ye, it wasn't It wasn't Bark at the Moon Assie
at this At this point, it's it's you could tell
it's going in that direction, but it's not.

Speaker 3 (22:52):
Yeah, and you know, this is a question for I
guess both of you. I was gonna see Nick, but
I think both of you might be able to answer
this Diary of a Madman. Did the title inspire Tyler
Perry's Diary of a Mad Black Woman? I you know,
I because I was typing it in and that came up.

(23:14):
Put Diary of a Mad Black Woman Perry film or whatever.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
I guess I've always I mean, I'm assuming, okay, so
yes it is. There was a Russian short story from
eighteen thirty five called Diary of a Madman.

Speaker 4 (23:33):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
I always assumed maybe I read somewhere and just forgot,
but I always assumed, Okay, it had to come from somewhere,
because I think there's a rap album, or at least
a song that came later called that inspired by this.
I don't know, but yeah, I think it's It's a
it's a phrase that has been around. I'm assuming mister

(23:57):
Bob Daisley was familiar with it and pulled a bit
of a Steve Harris where you just kind of named
the song after after an old book or something along
those lines an old short story. The first time that
I really got to know this song, because by the

(24:19):
when this album originally came out, I was two one one.
I wasn't two yet, so I didn't have the experience
that probably some of the listeners had where they were
contemporaries and owned it as it came out. I went
back later and I remember, this is it's kind of

(24:44):
a nice story. I think I was. I don't know.
I was a kid. I was with Andy. You're at
Hagwish Records in Kelly Met City, Illinois, and I really
really wanted Like back in those days, obviously you buy
whatever album like, you want to get something. They might

(25:06):
not have what you want there at that time. When
you've got the money and you're ready to go, but.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
You get you finally wear your mom down to take
you there because don't drive. That's part of it too.
You have the money and this is your opportunity. It's
not this you don't live down the street from it.
You know you got to get there. So we're there.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
I got the money, I'm like, okay, I can get
a CD. This is going to be awesome. I thought,
Blizzard of Oz that's what I'm getting they didn't have it.
I thought we had the tribute album already on CD,
so I thought, Okay, we have that taken care of,
so I don't need that. I wanted the studio version

(25:50):
of Crazy Train, like that was my thing. So I'm like, okay,
Blizzard of Oz. They don't have it. So they had
this import, the Japanese import called the Best of Oz
o Z, and I had enough money for it. It
was an import, so it was, you know, more a
little ridiculously priced compared to the other stuff, but I

(26:12):
did have enough. So I'm in line Andy and I
and I go up there. I at this point in
my life, have no idea how to estimate what the
tax is going to be. Yeah. So I'm standing there
and the guy, the guy at the cash register is like, oh, yeah,
you don't have enough. I'm like, oh, so, I'm just

(26:33):
looking around. I have no idea what to do. A
guy behind us with his I'm assuming girlfriend, he's like,
hey man, he throws down like two bucks. He's like,
Ozzie's important. That's cool. And I remember that, and so
I don't know. I had no idea who this guy is,
but I've thought about him. Over the years. God blessed
this man. It was a wonderful I mean for being

(26:54):
a kid too desperately wanting to get that And it
was only like a ten song import. Yeah, but this
song was on it. This was the Yeah, this and
Crazy Train and Crazy over on it. Yeah, and so
and some some cool like Journey to the Center of
Eternity and stuff like that, some other cool ones. Secret
Loser I think was on there. So it was a

(27:16):
It was an interesting collection of songs. But yeah, just
a cool Ozzie related story, at least for me.

Speaker 4 (27:23):
Yeah, that's cool.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
Just some guy just cool enough to drop a couple
bucks and give it to a kid to help him out.
What do you think it was like thirty bucks or something.
I think it was a little less than that, but yeah,
but I'm thinking of the tax had to be. Yeah,
if you had exactly the amount, I think I was
pretty much there. But then the tax got laid on
and we were in Illinois too. Yeah, where was your mom?

Speaker 8 (27:45):
Was she in the parking line? Yeah? She couldn't hook
you up with a couple of bucks.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
No, I was just standing. I think she said, hurry up.
I don't mean, I don't know I say that, but
I think she was probably just like it was like
run in and get it, grab I'll wait for you.

Speaker 3 (27:59):
Yeah, but you know, my broke ass didn't have anything.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
Andy was trying to steal something. Now he wasn't. I
still the Ghetto Boys CD, and he was trying to
put a shirt on and pretend like he walked in
with him. Yeah, but yeah, I don't know that this
this song reminds me of that CD and that that
guy who just yeah, some super nice guy that randomly
was there.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
Well, that's cool. That puts us in the right frame
of mind for this, I think.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
I think so.

Speaker 4 (28:28):
All right, Chris, any thoughts on this before we get
started here?

Speaker 8 (28:32):
H just it came out in my freshman year of
high school, so I mean, you know, in every music
listener is my age, very impressionable. The whole Ozzie Randy
thing was massive. You know, everybody ran out and bought

(28:53):
this one when it came out. I mean the first
one was kind of a surprise. Yeah, I think not
that we were any of we're in the know about
this this stuff, but like the record company had no
confidence that Azsie Solo was going to be even remotely successful. Well,
I mean it turned out to be crazy successful.

Speaker 4 (29:15):
You'd have no idea could have It was a gamble, right, That's.

Speaker 8 (29:19):
What everybody says. It's just like the record company was
had zero confidence that that album was and his band
was going to get any traction, and it turned out
to be a smash hit. So when it was time
for the second album to come out, everybody was lining
up for it. And to my ears from a songwriting,

(29:42):
arranging producing just across the board, this is a I'll
stop short of saying a quantum leap, but the first
album was like really raw, and I think that's part
of the appeal of it. This is like fully full,
full potential of the Blizzard of Oz band on this album,

(30:07):
and that was just immediately apparent from the opening drums
of Over the Mountain. You're just locked in for the
whole album, And like was Aaron Green submitted this? Yeah, yeah,
he's right, this is this is the masterpiece. This is there,
This is the stairway to Heaven of the Blizzard of

(30:27):
Oz band.

Speaker 3 (30:29):
And you guys know a lot more about this than
I do. But what was the deal with them kind
of having like a live version of the band in
a studio version of the band as far as like
the Curzly So my understanding, if I remember correctly, is
that they the first leg of the Blizzard tour.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
Was with the original band with and then they got
rid of them. But this album was in the can already.
They recorded both albums, I think before they went on
any full tour. If they released the first one, they

(31:13):
had this one ready and yeah, then they brought in
Carzo and Alder.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
I thought that they toured with Sarzo and Aldrich and
then went back to the studio with Daisly and Cursive.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
No, no, it was Yeah, the album was already in
the can by that point.

Speaker 8 (31:29):
And that's I know, that's uh, that's true, That's what
everybody says. But it just that that seems remarkable to
me because, like I said that, the difference in quality
from the first album and the second one is it's
the kind of leap forward that you would expect from

(31:51):
a band, or at least two guys. The band who
put it on an album went out on a tour
for six months forging that chemy, and then they went
back in and put out something that was significantly higher quality.
But I mean, the whole dynamic of how they put

(32:11):
those out and who was in the band and who
was not, and blah blah blah. It was just pretty
fascinating that amid all that chaos you could put out
just this timeless music.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
And this is the song that on that tour, which
supposedly was nuts, raw meat being thrown around and midgets
being and that's the word they used. I'm just saying,
I don't know what the correct term is, but people
a diminutive stature.

Speaker 3 (32:43):
Hung midgets being also the stage also being hung by
their necks.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
I don't know what's wrong, what's wrong with you, what's
wrong with me? But yeah, it just seemed like it
was absolute, just rock and roll excess for this tour.
This was the song where what they Can Down, They
descended onto the stage in some sort of like cages,
because I remember seeing a clip of Randy Rhoades kind

(33:09):
of standing in this cage being lowered down.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
In the first tour, they didn't have any kind of production, right,
wasn't it just like the band?

Speaker 2 (33:18):
I mean, I'm sure there's a light show or something
the original Yeah, and it's just it looked like a
band playing a club.

Speaker 8 (33:24):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's no way they had any money
behind them to put into the live show.

Speaker 3 (33:32):
And I'm guessing if you're the record company, you know,
you go, oh, Ozzie's reputation, we're gonna we're gonna bank
all this he and he's in charge.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
Now there's no you know, you're you might be thinking
there's no one to keep him in line. Little did
they know that there was, But they had the ultimate keeping,
the ultimate persistent career guid. Yeah. Yeah, but I could
see how they'd be like, I don't know about this one.
Give it a shot.

Speaker 4 (34:00):
I mean, with low expectations for this being a success.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
I mean, say what like I was just reading a
thing recently where I'd never knew this. But after Randy
Rhods passed away, when bark at the Moon was coming
people some people thought it's the same thing right before
the Blizzard of Oz came out, Like he's done. Yeah,
that was it. Now, Just like the persistence of his

(34:24):
career is pretty remarkable if you go back and look
at it's true. I could see how that.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
I mean, like Nick said, we were so young when
this happened. It was already history, all these things that happened.
But I could see if in real time he like
man to lose, like he already rebounded and he's got
the luck of getting Randy Rhoads and those two guys
working together. Yeah, and to lose him in two years
what it was like less than four years since he.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
Was out of Sabbath. He already had the two albums
and lost Randy Rhoads. That's like that's a snap of
the fingers in this day and age, like less than
four years. Yeah, it's like that's like it feels like
no time is gone. But right, that's this current Metallica
tour essentially.

Speaker 8 (35:07):
Black Album tour or whatever. Yeah, yeah, I mean, and
it had been done at that point with the whole
the bond Scott into Brian Johnson. So I mean there
was some precedents that that it could be done, but but.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
It almost sounds like it already was kind of done
once as far as Ozzie, like, oh it worked again.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
For Ozzy and then it's just like oh, man.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
Like he worked with Black sav I know, like no
one died in that case. But you know, for him
to find another partner like Tony I not like him,
but another you know, partner that he has chemistry with
and to have this successful thing and then that's that's
two behind him already.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
You know.

Speaker 8 (35:45):
Well, the other partner he had chemistry with was Bob Daisily,
who got just totally shafted by Sharon, but he was
he was a lyricist. And it's like Ozzie and Geezer
and Black Sabbath. Geezer did all the lyrics and Ozzy
was responsible for all those melodies. Yeah that latched onto people.

(36:08):
And uh, you know, so he had a couple partners
in the Blizzard of Oz and it was all done
away with.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
Were those guys did they just not have the right
look or something? Or was it a financial reason that
they were replaced?

Speaker 2 (36:23):
You know, I know I've read about it, but I
cannot remember what the official theory is because I don't
know that it's ever really been It probably is.

Speaker 8 (36:33):
Yeah, with Daisily, I would guess it was more of
a financial thing, as he had a songwriting you know
Steake in it.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
Curse Lake is credited on, yes, but.

Speaker 8 (36:43):
He's also Kurzake. I'm sure that the look had a
thing to do with.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
Him, because well he's just not big dude.

Speaker 8 (36:54):
Oh, he wasn't always a big tres recent videos that
they somebody put out of him playing crazy train or something.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
He's like four on well, I mean but not even
I'm not even talking about weight, but just like just
a big guy, a tall not.

Speaker 8 (37:09):
Really wasn't you see those group pictures He's not He
looked like it's not like Scott Travis and Judas Priest
when you see their band photos and he's like heading
shoulders of everybody else. I don't think he was that
big of a guy. He just didn't have the right.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
You know, he looked he looked like bottom to me.

Speaker 8 (37:29):
Yeah, that's the bottom, wasn't it wasn't a big, formidable,
formidable guy in terms of height but weight.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
But as far as the look though, I think he
had the bottom thing going.

Speaker 8 (37:42):
Yeah, but that wasn't that that that wasn't necessarily going
to translate into the eighties.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
So well, I will say, and uh, Sarzo is great,
Aldrich is an all timer.

Speaker 8 (37:57):
Yeah, Now I wonder why he wasn't included Back to
the beginning, he wasn't there.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
Home r and Rudy was there, and Jakie Lee was there. Obviously,
Zach Wilde was not only there but basically singing the
entire time with Ozzie during the solo seid. Yeah, I

(38:22):
don't know. Tommy Aldridge though, isn't he always out with
somebody playing? It could have been something like that. I
don't know. I didn't check, but yeah, yeah, but.

Speaker 8 (38:33):
I mean, look, Wolfgang canceled on it because he didn't
want to back out of his commitment to Creed whatever,
that's your decision. Tommy Aldridge was invited, he would have
been there.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
That and that just raises the question. If he was
not invited, why wouldn't Tommy Alders be invited?

Speaker 8 (38:57):
And I can't think of who he'd be out with
right now.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
I have no idea.

Speaker 8 (39:01):
White Steak is not active, Black Oak Arkansas is not
active as far as I know, and if they are,
they have no original members, so why would he participate
in that? So yeah, I haven't seen any talk about that.
That's interesting.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
But yeah, this, I guess we should probably just get
into the song and continue the conversation.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
Yes, yeah, all right, Well let's take a quick commercial
break and we'll be right back with a Diary of
a Madman.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
I know I cut it before that riff was finished,
but one of the coolest guitar riffs to play is
I mean, well, I don't want to gloss over that
very beginning either. It only comes the one time and
that's you know, Chris mentioned how great this album and

(40:25):
particularly this song are arranged that really cool sort of
classical guitar intro. It's just there at the beginning and
then it flows into this other thing and it's there's
just there's so much to the song. But the riff
that we're on right now one of the coolest riffs
to play on guitar, like.

Speaker 4 (40:46):
Physically sounds the coolest.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
Nobody knows. If people don't know this song and you're
sitting there playing guitar and you play this, it right
away is like, oh, what's that. People look at you
and it's it's like fun to play, and it's yeah,
it's it's just an just an awesome guitar riff.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
Is this one of the snippets of something Randy Rhodes
had before Ozzie because remember you had that Quiet Riot
CD where he was playing all these you.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
Know, I don't think yeah, like he would do like
an extended solo and he'd be playing like part of
Goodbye to Romance or d or something. Well, not good
bye the romance, but d for sure, and yeah, a
few other things that would sound familiar later I can't
remember off the top of my head, but this one.
I don't know if this this one was I don't

(41:36):
think so, okay, all right, but yeah, just like I
don't know much about classical guitar playing, but i'd be
curious to hear if, like someone is a full fledged afficionado,
if they would think of this as lesser than because
I can't imagine like it's.

Speaker 4 (41:56):
A hack version of yeah, yeah, I could.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
I wouldn't wouldn't imagine that that would be the case.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
I don't know enough either, but I always was under
the assumption that that was Randy's thing his whole life,
So I'm assuming he knew what he was doing. I mean,
to me, it sounds full and complete and complex. Everybody
says he was completely dedicated to it.

Speaker 8 (42:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And again, I've never heard anybody like
the Segovias or the you know, Leona Boyd's of the world,
never heard anybody go on record lamb baseding Randy Rhodes
from a classical guitar standpoint, So you know, whether they

(42:38):
just didn't say anything out of respect or that it's
actually on that level. Who knows. I've never never heard
a disparaging word about him from any musician.

Speaker 7 (42:49):
Yeah, window.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
What the so kicked up into something serious there and
then came back and again for the second time. One
of my I think favorite things to playing guitar is

(43:40):
this verse. Yeah, it's really it's really a cool I
know it's it's just it sounds so cool. It's so
it's so unique, and it's not particularly like hard to
play it's but it just it's like the other riff
I was talking about, it just sounds so cool when

(44:01):
you play it, It's like, Wow, I can kind of
play the same thing too, and it sounds pretty good,
and it's just like amazing when someone composes something like that.
Did want to point out a story that I remember
reading is when this the music was brought to Ozzy,

(44:23):
this seven to eight verse, he was like, why are
what does Dick Kevitt say to Eddie Murphy? What do
you say? Why are you doing this? That's that story.
But yeah, it was something along those lines where it
and I remember that he brought up Frank Zappa. He's like,

(44:43):
I'm not Frank Zappa, Like what what are you bringing
you know, you think I can do this? Obviously could.
I don't know if there's a version of him playing
it live, though I think there is. It might be
like the Joe Holmes era, Okay, that much later. Yeah,
I think I think there is some sort of clip
of them doing it live. But I always wondered, like, Okay,

(45:07):
it came together so wonderfully on the studio version. I
would assume they could replicate it live, but just I mean,
like songs like this, HM, Revelation, Mother Earth, Killer of Giants,
those were in the live set you can hear. You
can go on YouTube and find plenty of recordings of
that live, But this one, for whatever reason, didn't really

(45:31):
get didn't really get performed live. Yeah, maybe maybe a
few times that I've heard.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
But yeah, I don't know. I don't know the details
of why. But you know how that goes. Sometimes songs
just don't work with the bands when you try to
translate it live. It's just something's missing.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
I guess. And I suppose also if you're using the
recording of it for your grand entrance, then you're, oh,
you're kind of using it already in the set, at
least on that tour.

Speaker 8 (45:59):
But yeah, well, and keep in mind the tour was
very short. Yeah, the album came out in November. By
March Randy was dead, so yeah, five months.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
Well and then they what Brad Gillis was the one
who finished up the tour? Was it Bernie tour May
came in first and then Brad Gillis and then right yeah,
so yeah, that's I saw a few months back. Just
came up in my YouTube feed. There's a there's a
video of Letterman. Ozzie was on. It was March of

(46:34):
eighty two. I forget if it was like a week
or less than two weeks after Randy Rhodes died. Really,
Ozzy was a guest on Letterman. Not not musical guest,
but just being interviewed. Really yeah, and it's it's like
it was, it's just happened, and he was on there,
and it's like after yeah, it was right before No, no,

(46:57):
he was on Yeah, I is what Randy died. I
think like right around Saint Patrick's Day or something. Yeah, yeah,
I guess the March March nineteenth. I think you're right.

Speaker 8 (47:10):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean that just goes to show you, like,
you know, when you're on this level Ozzy Osbourne a CDC,
These catastrophic personnel things happen, and you just soldier on
the machine must continue. And yeah, I had no idea

(47:32):
he did that, but yeah, that's pretty remarkable. And the
fact that even carried on musically like almost immediately is
is amazing.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
Yeah, it's it's just it is truly amazing how people
hustled back then.

Speaker 4 (47:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
I mean, I'm sure they're hustling by doing a lot
of touring, but they were doing a lot of touring
and these like landmark albums one after another, and some cases, Yeah.

Speaker 8 (48:00):
The creative process, it's year after year putting out this
incredibly high quality material and and I don't know, it's
it's kind of surprising to me that he would be
he would bristle at a seven eight time signature, because
this reminds me of like Sabbath, Bloody Sabbath and Sabotage,

(48:24):
where they were getting kind of proggy and they were
dabbling and all of that stuff and he pulled it off.
I mean, those for many people, myself included that musically
the high point of original Black Sabbaths, those two albums,
And that's saying something considering the first four or incredible

(48:47):
albums of course, but in terms of like just the
ambition and the execution on Sabbath, Bloody Sabbath and Sabotage,
it's the next level with me. And this song is
always reminded me of that era that he would he
would kind of tap back into that well, which which

(49:07):
is impressive to me.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
And I just found that video. It's it was March
twenty fifth, like six days jeez.

Speaker 8 (49:18):
Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna have to watch that.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
It's be weird even been a funeral yet, Yeah, who knows.
It's a good twenty six days.

Speaker 4 (49:27):
Wow, all right, let's keep going.

Speaker 6 (49:32):
Oh's a Wayside.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
And the Rise.

Speaker 9 (49:39):
I have.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
Sty entries of confusion that this is one of This
is a song where lyrically it's perfect and it there's

(50:25):
but there's really not. I mean, it's about what it's about,
and there's nothing like for a podcast such as this,
they don't elaborate lyrically, there might not be much for
us to play around with because it's about a guy
who's losing or has lost his mind, and the lyrics

(50:48):
convey that perfectly, and but they convey there's nothing to
poke holes in from our point of view.

Speaker 3 (50:57):
It's conveyed from the point of someone who knows it though,
which was kind of interesting.

Speaker 8 (51:02):
Well, but it's all again, he didn't do the lyrics.

Speaker 4 (51:06):
Yeah, so you think that Bob daisly sitting across the room.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
To observe, observing he has notes on Ozzy at the time.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
I mean, that's what what suicide Solution was allegedly. You know,
he watched Ozzie just drinking problem and wrote a song
about it. Wow. So it's okay, I.

Speaker 8 (51:28):
Mean, that's just that shows reinforces the genius of Bob
dazely I was, you know, without him involved, none of
this is as successful as it was.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
And that's all the way through No More tears. Absolutely. Yeah, yes, so.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
So he they you know, they had him out of
the band as far as a performer, but he was
always around with writing and they always they always.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
Brought him back up to this.

Speaker 8 (51:55):
They knew where the bread was buttered. I mean, I'll
bet you they I don't know this for sure obviously,
but I'm sure they did a few test runs of
material without him involved, and they're like, Okay, we need
to get him back involved somehow. Yeah, because this sucks.
But he puts out is incredible.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
Well, Daisly's book goes into that. It does it, Yeah,
it does. Yeah, it's it's a really good book. And uh,
I wish I could remember just more at the top
of my head with the writing of this album, but
I know in subsequent albums they yeah, there were like

(52:34):
lyrics written and then they're like, hey, let's get daily.
So pretty much what you said, I'm I'm if I
recall correctly that was the case, doesn't surprise me in
the least.

Speaker 4 (52:46):
All right, let's keep going, man.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
I like, obviously, when you hear the musical passages, you
tend to focus on what Randy Rhodes is playing. For
whatever reason, I was focused on the drums. You have
to know how the song goes. That's exactly what I
was just thinking. You've got to know exactly what the
song does and when it does it. This is not

(54:04):
a song where you're just playing a four four and
you can get away with it.

Speaker 8 (54:09):
This is not Josh Hayanchar and Tom Howell jumping on
board and being like, oh, I'm a schooled musician. I'm
just going to play father figure and get it right.
It turns out you didn't. You failed miserably at it.
This is not that that's what you're getting get.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
I would say, hearing Tommy Aldrich do it would have
been pretty cool.

Speaker 8 (54:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
Sure, as far as I know that didn't that was
never done or recorded or anything like that. But yeah,
this this is for sure a well rehearsed You're not
like feeling a groove or anything like that at this point.

Speaker 8 (54:57):
No, there's no this is not yeah, this is let's
just smoke some pot and wing it. You know, this
is high level stuff.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
Yeah, you have to accent exactly what's going on with
the guitars. You're not just playing to a click or whatever.

Speaker 8 (55:12):
Right, And there's no question that Lee's Kurzy could play.
Nobody's ever questioned that. In as far as the songwriting
credits might have been one of those things where like, again,
they didn't have any expectations for it originally, so they
gave everybody a songwriting credit. And I'm gonna make this
comparison again. I don't mean to make it to cheap

(55:35):
and Aussie in any way, but I just always go
back to the ace Ventura for principle. Nobody ever thought
that movie would be even remotely successful once it is
the rules change for everything that comes afterward in the franchise. Yeah,
and they're probably like, Okay, drum performances and drum beats

(55:59):
are not part of songwriting, so your songwriting credits are gone.
And if you don't like that, you're out of the organization.
You know, rules change when something becomes massively successful, like
the Azzi band did and it wasn't expected.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
And I have read though that Curselake it was Rhodes
curse Like and Daisly working on a lot of the
material and Ozzie would be there sometimes but not all
the time. There are recordings of Curselake throwing down melodies,
so I think curs Like actually contributed melodies to some of.

Speaker 8 (56:37):
Their stick in there. That could be, you know, a
budding of heads like Azzi is the melody. We don't
need you horning in on this. So you know, we
we all know how ruthless it got with with sharing
the Ardens. Well yeah, you know, well everybody knows what.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
On there so well, at any point in the eighties
you could have seen Tommy Aldrich or Bob Daisley or
Geezer Butler on stage, like if you went to a show, yeah,
you might not have had any idea, but one of
those three guys could have been there or could not
have been there.

Speaker 8 (57:15):
Yeah, Yeah, it was a revolving door. That's one of
the things I put that review of the eighty nine
show I saw out during my summer internship with Milwaukee,
and I talked disparagingly about the Jakie Lee era, which
I called myself out on that. In the caption I said, most,

(57:38):
if not all, music critics are full of shit to
some degree. I was full of shit on that. But
where that was coming from is, you know, after these
legendary albums, they just you know, you watch a video
and there's carmina piece in the fucking viyeah Yeah, and
then you know Phil Susson is suddenly appearing on stage.

(58:00):
It's like, well, who's in the band anymore? And what's
going on? And then Ultimate Sin with where they tried
to glam him up, it's.

Speaker 4 (58:06):
Just like all with the spiky hair.

Speaker 8 (58:09):
Kind of yeah, well the like a boufont, you know,
old lady hairdoo, and it's just like That's where I
was getting at. Obviously, Jakie Lee incredible player, and certainly
in retrospect i've gained a huge new appreciation for that stuff.
But that's where I was getting at. It's like, you know,

(58:30):
you get blindsided by this plane crash and then suddenly
they're just like floundering in terms of who's in the
band and what are we trying to do musically and
blah blah blah. And and when I saw the No
Rest for the Wicked tour, it seemed to be coming
back together because he had Geezer back in the band,

(58:51):
and then he had Zach Wilde, who, to me, in
that incarnation, looked like a taller Randy Rhodes.

Speaker 4 (58:59):
To me, he was super then.

Speaker 8 (59:00):
Back then, Yeah, it wasn't the you know, the biker
viking guy we see today. It was just scrawny New
Jersey kid who looked again, a taller Randy Rhodes. And
it seems like when I saw that presentation, I'm like, Okay,
it looks like they're riding the ship again. And it
turns out they knocked it out of the park on

(59:21):
the next album. Yeah, no more tears.

Speaker 10 (59:25):
Absolutely, all right, let's continue.

Speaker 7 (01:00:02):
Let me tell me.

Speaker 11 (01:00:07):
They stay nice, bye bye, say nice.

Speaker 4 (01:00:21):
So it's get.

Speaker 6 (01:00:34):
All till me.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
So before we go to where it goes next. It
was listening to it in the headphones here. It really
struck me that the what we would typically think of
as heaviness in rock music would be usually related to

(01:01:16):
distortion on a guitar. In this case, there's such a
build with you you've got the whatever I mean, I
hear a fluid in there, you hear.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
I can't identify all the orchestral instrumentation that's going on,
but there's just like it's there's just a bed of
sound now that the that the guitar playing is on
top of, and it's it's there's a real like I

(01:01:53):
guess the word could be heaviness to it. It's it's
it's just like swelling and getting bigger, even though the
playing sound pretty delicate. Yeah, but it's it's a really great,
great mixture, a great effect production wise. What they have
going on.

Speaker 8 (01:02:11):
Here military style triplets and the snare down and stuff.
Just you you alluded to it. It's classic tension and release. Yeah,
that's such a that is that's been a part of
music since music was a thing.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
I think in like the last twenty years it's been
all release.

Speaker 8 (01:02:35):
Yeah, you might be right. I'm gonna I'm gonna is
you're officially an old guy now remarking like that, but
I don't want to. But no, it's it's a classic,
you know, build and take down, blah blah blah. It's
just it's always effective. It's just it can't not be effective,

(01:02:56):
especially in the hands of geniuses like we're thing to
right now.

Speaker 4 (01:03:43):
Wow, what a great part to break into bumps.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
Yeah, that's incredible.

Speaker 8 (01:03:48):
And it's just, you know, the other reason why this
reminds me and and a lot of this material reminds
me of peak Sabbath is so what I I like
to refer to. The first three Sabbath albums are the
weed albums. The next three are the cocaine albums, which

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is confirmed by in the liner notes of the Volume
four they thank cocaine for being a part of the
creative process. I can't remember exactly how they do it,
but they didn't. You know, didn't it say the Coca
cola something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (01:04:29):
Yeah, but you know, master reality, you got the ode
to marijuana, Sweet Leaf. Then Volume four you get snow
Blind and the ode to Cocaine. That carried through the
next two albums, and then the last two are the
aftermath of cocaine albums, meaning they're just spiraling apart and collapsing.

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But one of the things about the guitar tones from
the first three to the second was they became a
lot more prebbly and aggressive and nasty on the top end,
which to me adds to the evilness of it, and
that foreboding. It's not a warm Almond Brothers kind of

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guitar tone, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
It's less of a less of a over the top
blues band.

Speaker 8 (01:05:18):
Right, And that's Randy Rhodes's tone was that and just
to me, it just always added that evil element to it.
It's not a pleasing listen, but you're still drawn to it.
And and there was a lot of people have opined
over the years on guitar nerd forums and whatnot that

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you know, when you use a bunch of cocaine like
these guys were doing and Max Norman, the producer was doing,
it affects how you hear frequencies and its skews toward
the top end. And so that's what you know. Because
a lot of people hem and haw about Randy Rhodes

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about his tone, and you know, people like I said
that it's not an Almond Brother's warm and fuzzy guitar tone.
It's it's it's nasty, it's aggressive, it's trebly, and it
contributes that evil aspect of it. But it also sits

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in the mix, right, it's not crowding with the bass
or any of that other stuff that was going on
in that middle section that you were listening to. It
doesn't get lost because the guitar is taking up all
the frequencies. Everything has got its spot. Yeah, well, I
was just it's it's brilliant, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
I would say if anybody has an issue with it,
I could see on the two studio albums people maybe
taking issue with like not sounding as full as they
would like. But if you listen to the tribute album
and in a live senge, oh sure, you cannot argue
with the guitar tone.

Speaker 8 (01:06:57):
Right, That's that's all fixed. And and that's also like
essentially you got a four piece band going on, so
you have to fill up those frequencies, and you got
you know, don Airy noodling around on a keyboard here
and there. But for the most part, it's it's essentially
a you know the who up there basically, and you

(01:07:18):
know you got to fill up those frequencies. And yeah,
that's any anybody who had an issue with it, just
go listen to the live album and shut your yap
after that, pretty much.

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
And this part that we just heard, it's straight out
of the Revelation Mother Earth playbook. Sure crescendo ing with
with just a big metal guitar riff with this.

Speaker 8 (01:07:41):
And it's all you know, classical influenced, you know, the
build and tension and release, and I mean this kind
of this kind of material gave rise to the entire
genre of power metal that came into vogue right around
this time, is still going strong to this day. It's just,
you know, the dramatic, theatrical elements of the music, the

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roots of it are all here.

Speaker 3 (01:08:09):
And it works incredibly well, of course, but I'm almost
curious why they didn't take that riff that we just
heard and make that a whole song, like the focal
point of a whole song.

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
Well, and that's that's that again points to the brilliance
of the arrangement and the songwriting.

Speaker 4 (01:08:27):
Is that because that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
They had so much that they put into one song
that you could have made a side, a whole side
of an album out of the ideas that are in
this one song. Yeah, and it's always something admirable when
a band does that.

Speaker 8 (01:08:44):
Yeah, you go, it's you reached that fork in the road.
Is this a new song or are we going to
have this in this song? You make a decision and
you put it out and you move on. And you know,
some songs pieces lend themselves to it. Other don't.

Speaker 3 (01:09:01):
And like you guys were saying, if that whole thing
built up and it didn't deliver, that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
Would be a misstep.

Speaker 3 (01:09:10):
You know, if it built up and what came next
wasn't as good as what we just heard, or if
it was like a recycled other part of the song
that was just heavy. Ye, but it's its own thing
that you know. That's like yuh before he breaks into
the madness, I guess or whatever.

Speaker 8 (01:09:25):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, just you know, you got there's too
many brilliant minds at work to allow anything but that
to happen. That's essentially a microcosm of why the album
seven and eight, Technical Ecstasy and Never Say Die aren't
on par with the first six is because, like you said,

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there's they're just they tried to get too ambitious and
they were just out of their heads on coke and
all the other excesses of success and just too many
of their they took too many chances, didn't end up delivering.
To my ears, it's just kind of a mishmash of stuff.
But I mean it's still plenty of stuff to enjoy,

(01:10:10):
but just that unit at that for the at that
point in time, was just not capable of of continuing
on that level of quality. I don't think.

Speaker 4 (01:10:25):
Mm hmmm, let's continue.

Speaker 8 (01:10:49):
See now comparatively speaking to most, if not all, of
Randy's other solos, that one was pulled back in the
mix and washed out with like reverb and stuff. But
it's I think it again, another brilliant decision versus having
this in your face face melter. It just adds to

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the atmosphere quality to it the way they mixed it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
Yeah, and you get the feeling that that's that that
it's it's about the mood, yeah, you know. And it's
not like if obviously if this I brought it up
before that I'm not familiar with there being any live
recordings of this song with the original band or even

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like the second incarnation of it, But I would assume
that solo is going to be huge and way up
front playing it live, but in the studio where they're
able to where they're layering all this stuff to try
to achieve the effect. Right, it's it's the it's a
brilliant call to have it just more of an echo

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in the background than right up front.

Speaker 8 (01:11:58):
Yeah, right, and a live setting when you've got when
you're watching Randy Rhodes, you want that solo right in
your face, and you're gonna get it in a live setting.
So another brilliant decision, which I haven't I admit, I
haven't heard this song in a while, but I'm definitely
noticing things I never heard before, and that was one

(01:12:20):
of them, and it was a brilliant decision in my opinion.

Speaker 6 (01:12:28):
Stream away help me.

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
I really really love the cellos and violins or you know,
I don't know all the stringed instruments that are going
on during this verse, but I love that they were
basically I mean, I don't know if this was written
out or if they had free reign to just kind
of like, hey, like this is what this is what's

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being played, just kind of you know, add some ornamentation
to it. But it's I love it. It's fantastic during
that last verse there, that could have been a randy thing,
right potentially, I think, and see, I really wish I
could remember if this was addressed in Daisley's book. But

(01:13:28):
I think in a lot of cases you hear stories
of okay, that the song's written, but there's like a
professional a arranger, like orchestra arranger or orchestral instrument ranger
that will come in and do all that. Like I
don't I don't know how often it is that even

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if you've got these brilliant songwriters for rock and pop music,
I think that a lot of times you got to
call on someone who that's their primary job that they're great.

Speaker 8 (01:14:01):
At, because right, and when you do that, part of
the deal is, look, you're not gonna get a songwriting credit.
You're gonna get a flat fee for this. But yeah,
you know so, so you nip that in the butt immediately.
And uh but yeah, I mean, these guys are brilliant
arrangers in a rock setting, but can they you know,

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arrange an entire orchestra. Probably not.

Speaker 2 (01:14:28):
Yeah, I don't know. That's for the second time in
this episode, Zappa will be brought up. He's uh I mean,
he wrote weird stuff, but but I mean, I don't
know if I'm trying to think of another guy who's
like a rock guy but also is known for taking
the time to chart out everything.

Speaker 8 (01:14:51):
Well, I'm gonna I will bring this up, which I
don't know how accurate it is because I know of
it from the biopic about him. But apparently Buddy Holly
really had a lot of that orchestral stuff in his
later material and he if you if you've ever seen
The Buddy Holly Story with Gary Busey, a great movie
if you've never seen it, Uh, there's a scene where

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he brings in classical musicians and he's handing them charts
as they're walking in and they're like this and never
we never get these and this is brilliant really, So
whether or how, I don't know how accurate that is,
but you know, it wouldn't surprise me given the fact
that he's another one who's you know, pretty much uh
common knowledge that he was a musical genius.

Speaker 12 (01:15:38):
So so off the top of my head, that's somebody
who would fit that bill now, not not not like Zappa,
who is just doing it to be as you know,
challenging and weird as he possibly could, but in a
pop setting.

Speaker 2 (01:15:57):
I'd never saw the movie and I'd never heard that.

Speaker 8 (01:15:59):
You should. It's a great movie, super interesting. You see,
is obviously a punchline nowadays. But he did a great
job in that movie. And uh, and it's one of
the better bio pics out there of a rock musician.

Speaker 4 (01:16:15):
Yeah, and in general, I feel like, like you said,
he's a punchline, should we make a punch line out
of people who got hit in the head, like as
you know, as a society.

Speaker 8 (01:16:27):
No, you're right, he's been exploited in that way and
it's kind of not cool.

Speaker 2 (01:16:33):
But actually, don't know his history.

Speaker 4 (01:16:35):
I had a motorcycle accident and already that he's been different.

Speaker 2 (01:16:40):
Oh I didn't know that.

Speaker 8 (01:16:41):
Yeah, he's yeah, buddy, Holly. Story's outstanding. The whole movie
is great. So I would highly recommend watching that if
it comes on your radar.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
Yeah, all right, you don't see that one? Never done?

Speaker 4 (01:16:57):
Yeah, like on TV?

Speaker 8 (01:16:58):
You know, you see it, you don't see it for
a long time, then suddenly it's on like every week
for a month and then it's gone again.

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
Well, that seems like a movie that is ripe for
like Turner Classic movies. But I mean I check. I
usually every couple of weeks will check is there anything
that's particularly interesting to me that's going to be on
Turner Classics. I don't think I've ever seen it on there.
I mean have missed it, but I don't think I've
ever seen it.

Speaker 8 (01:17:25):
It deserves to be on there. It's a great movie.

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
All right, let's wrap her up here. I love those
two lines. Enemies fill off the pages? Are they me?
I love it? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:17:46):
I can relate to that one.

Speaker 2 (01:17:49):
Well, I mean yeah, I guess you can get pretty
introspective when reading these lyrics. Yeah, because it's it's all
about the human condition. It's it's a an extreme case. Yeah,
you know of a I'd say maybe confusion and or paranoia. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:18:10):
Also, enemies fill up the pages reminds me of Steve
Buscemi and Billy Madison when he's got his people to
kill lists.

Speaker 2 (01:18:16):
You love that character. Yeah, and he loves that character.
I actually have the funk o pop of that character.
That's how much I love that character so good. I
do love the high Billy and then he waves at
him that's pretty great.

Speaker 3 (01:18:33):
And then also like, what a great scene that is
when Billy calls him and apologizes, and he's like, yeah,
no problem, Yeah, yeah that's fine, No big deal, no
big deal.

Speaker 4 (01:18:42):
Then he hangs up and he has the people that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:44):
Puts the weird makeup on whatever he does.

Speaker 3 (01:18:47):
He first he takes the people to Kill list off
the wall and crosses off yeah, and then he puts
like some weird then he puts little sick on it,
like really big yeah, and.

Speaker 4 (01:18:56):
Then he lays down and thinks about it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
Great scene. I love it. It could have been about him.

Speaker 6 (01:19:03):
The song.

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
I mean it's yeah, that was obviously done in a
comedic uh context, but yeah, yeah it's And I don't
know anything about the original short story.

Speaker 8 (01:19:17):
But.

Speaker 2 (01:19:19):
I might I might read it.

Speaker 8 (01:19:21):
I might.

Speaker 2 (01:19:22):
I don't know, I might look, I might do it.
Find an audiobook or something there.

Speaker 9 (01:19:25):
You go see what it's about.

Speaker 2 (01:20:24):
What an ending?

Speaker 8 (01:20:25):
Wow? Yeah, I mean yet elements of opera interjected in there.
I mean it's just you know, the highest forms of
incredible music for lack of a better term, or all
incorporated here.

Speaker 2 (01:20:41):
You know, and we're used to uh you know, we
were a kiss podcast. You know, they call in the
orchestra to play on great expectations and then you hear
something like this and it's just it's night and day.
I mean not saying that it wasn't executed and you know,

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produced wonderfully for the for great expectations, but the effect
that this achieves as opposed to that song, it's it's
pretty incredible. Yes, agreed, it's time to vote. See so
I know that's one of Andy's favorite so I'm sorry, right,

(01:21:22):
but I mean, but it's not even in the same stress.

Speaker 8 (01:21:26):
Just given the content of the lyrics. You know, the
Gene Simmons element just holds it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:32):
Back well and it's it's a laughable song.

Speaker 8 (01:21:35):
Right exactly. And it's because of the Gene wrote it
and what he wrote it about it you cannot take
it seriously.

Speaker 4 (01:21:43):
And it's literally a different song like it's they play this,
isn't it a bach thing?

Speaker 2 (01:21:50):
There's a like it's it's a piece of class song.
No in uh expectations, great expectations. It's literally moonlights and yeah,
it's literally night Beethoven. Okay, it's literally something that existed
Diary of a Man Man there's a short passage that
there's a classical guitar song that came before it that
people say it inspired part of it, but by and large,

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I mean I'm not a classical music guy, but by
and large, to my knowledge, it's this is original stuff,
which is pretty amazing when you think about it that way.
That when you think of the legit long hair composers
of the classical period. Yeah, sure that these rock guys

(01:22:36):
in nineteen eighty or eighty one, whenever they recorded it,
were able to to do something that is legit in
that style, in that genre of music.

Speaker 8 (01:22:47):
And again they were partying their asses off, they were
surrounded by chaos and pulling this off as makes it
even more remarkable.

Speaker 3 (01:22:57):
Yeah, all right, we have to vote sweets Render a
kick in the crotch. I will go first because I
chose this from the Listener's submission list, as submitted by
our friend Aaron Green. Thank you Aaron, And of course
I'm giving it a sweet surrender.

Speaker 2 (01:23:15):
Hell yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:23:16):
What a great song.

Speaker 3 (01:23:18):
Takes you on a ride all over the place in
the best ways. Great for the character of Ozzy at
the time.

Speaker 2 (01:23:27):
It's a good point too.

Speaker 3 (01:23:28):
Yeah, so home run all around. Too many good things
to say about it. I could go on forever.

Speaker 2 (01:23:35):
Nick, an extremely sweet surrender, Hell yeah, I would not
hesitate to say one of the greatest songs ever written recorded.
I mean, you know, it's you could say something like

(01:23:59):
that and kind of a man in a backlash of
what people would say, like, oh, that's ridiculous comment. You know, Yeah,
this is this is a piece of art. It really is.
It's uh and great, great memories that it brings back
of that CD that I got the first time that

(01:24:19):
I really got to hear the song. Listen to it
a lot. If I'm not mistaken, we played a lot
of the original Sonic the Hedgehog while listening to this
sounds right to that ten song album. Yeah, And it's
just this is the last song on a studio album

(01:24:44):
that Randy Rhodes ever played. Yeah, right, so what and
for what? They say that this was like basically what
he was aspiring to and the fact that he got
to really well, I'd say I brought up Revelation mother
Earth That's pretty close to it as well. It's a
very similar type of song, I would say. But the

(01:25:06):
fact that this is what he had ambitions for, yeah,
and really achieved it on the last song that he's
you know that he maybe not the last one that
he recorded. I don't know what sequence they were recorded,
but the.

Speaker 4 (01:25:26):
Conscious yeah what luck, well terrible luck, but also like
I mean, it's like a minor, like a very small
mirror of how Ozzie.

Speaker 3 (01:25:37):
Ended, like, you know, this great send off. You know,
everybody's got to go. They both had good send offs
as far as art.

Speaker 4 (01:25:46):
You know, I would say so horrible send off for Randy,
but you know what, well, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:25:50):
The Randy thing was there's all kinds of stuff. They're
surrounded by the the Speak of the Devil album that
was he was supposed to be on and he didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:26:00):
Want to be on it, and oh they yeah, they
didn't want to do it right because they didn't want
to go do all black Sabbath stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:26:05):
Yeah yeah. And I I was just because obviously anything
having to do with Ozzie is everywhere right now. But
there was an interview I was listening to. It might
have been with Daisy I don't know, but very recently
that supposedly Randy Rhodes wasn't even a Sabbath fan and
he basically the impression I got was that it was

(01:26:27):
like so ham fisted for his musical sensibilities, like Sabbath
hit you over the head. You know, the RIfS were
just big, deceptively so yeah, yeah, but I but that's
whoever it was who was giving the interview that I
heard a few over the last couple of days. But yeah,
that that supposedly that wasn't even a band that he

(01:26:49):
liked and didn't really view them as I don't know
if sophisticated to be the right word, but there was
there was some circumstances there. But I don't even know
why I brought that up up, because what we should
be focusing on is like, wow, yeah, this is this
was the Swan song. Yeah, incredible, Chris.

Speaker 8 (01:27:10):
Do you have to vote uh sweet Surrender? Of course?
Hell yeah, yeah, it's a masterpiece. I mean, I don't
know what else to say about it. I mean, having
been alive and two years into taking guitar lessons at

(01:27:35):
the guitar studio where all the all the kids took
guitar lessons, there was you know, bustling activity over there.
Trust me when I tell you that it was Eddie
van Halen burst onto the scene, and then came Randy Rhodes.
It was just like everybody wanted to play guitar. Everybody

(01:27:58):
wanted to play guitar on that. They were our people
of my age who are not maybe alive but not
old enough to be cognizant of Hendrix when he was active.
Those guys were our Hendrixes. And you know, it came

(01:28:20):
pretty pretty quick after one after the other, a couple
of years there, and they were just neck and neck
in terms of the ultimate guitar heroes at the time.
And this was just, you know, jaw dropping. I mean,
like I said, you know, nobody expected the success the

(01:28:41):
first album, but everybody expected this second album to be
mind blowing, and it absolutely was. Didn't disappoint anybody. And
you listen to it all the way through and you
get to the end of this, you bee like you
cut it off at the end your your jaw. Everybody's
jaws on the phil the first time they hear it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:01):
You want to stand in applaud. Yes, if you listen
to the whole album, and once you get to this point,
it's like.

Speaker 8 (01:29:06):
Wow, trust me when I tell you this was seismic
shit that came out at that time. And you know
we're talking about it in the context of Ozzy, but
you know he's he's responsible for bringing Randy Rhodes to
the public consciousness and then they collaborated to create this stuff.
And you know musical giants that we're talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:29:30):
Well, and even if it was Daisly's lyrics, even Daisly,
like well, not even Daisly, but Daisly. Yeah, in interviews
I've read, he will certainly let you know I wrote
the lyrics to that, or I helped with the musical
arrangement for that or that, but always gave credit to

(01:29:51):
Ozzy being the melody.

Speaker 8 (01:29:53):
Guy, and well the melody brings it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:56):
To yeah, exactly. I mean like that, you can have
great lyrics, but if someone isn't delivering them, yeah, in
a really brilliant way like this, then they'll be great lyrics,
but it won't come across the same way.

Speaker 3 (01:30:12):
So yeah, I think once in a while, obviously everyone
knows what a talent Ozzie was, but once in a
while you get the impression that some people think of
him as just like the bumbling idiot because maybe from
the reality show or.

Speaker 2 (01:30:27):
Whatever even before that. Yeah, but but.

Speaker 3 (01:30:30):
It's like, man, what ability he had, Yeah, Like it's incredible.

Speaker 4 (01:30:35):
He's not like just some guy who got lucky.

Speaker 8 (01:30:39):
He was a worshiper of the Beatles, and that knack
for melody entered him through the Beatles. He carried that
through his whole career. Everybody will tell you that.

Speaker 3 (01:30:53):
Yeah, but it's such a talented singer and performer.

Speaker 2 (01:30:57):
Yeah, a fun performer.

Speaker 3 (01:30:58):
Like so not you know like that. It's almost like
he was not at war. That's a little extreme to say,
but like at war with the Do I be the
evil guy or do I be like this guy who's
just clapping and having a good time and saying, everyone's
beautiful and I love you? And that's like, that's two
different things going on. It wasn't like a horror movie

(01:31:20):
on stage.

Speaker 2 (01:31:21):
Well it's and that's that's funny because like you've got
like Alice Cooper who stays in character. Yeah, while he's
on stage, it is a horror movie, Ozzie. Yeah, like
I'm insane, I'm a horror character. And then like you're saying,
you know, but he's so human.

Speaker 8 (01:31:38):
Yeah, I'm gonna throw this bucket of water.

Speaker 2 (01:31:40):
Yeah, the first row. I'm now influenced by Lawn Cheney
and the Globe Trotters.

Speaker 3 (01:31:47):
Right, yeah, yeah, just added to the whole thing. Yeah,
unique presentation unique person.

Speaker 8 (01:31:55):
Yeah, as as people have said, and a lot of
times just come off as cliche, but in this case
it's absolutely true. There will never be another person, artist,
whatever like Ouzie Osborn, a true, absolute, original human being
to ever exist in humanity. And it's that's that's the truth.

Speaker 4 (01:32:21):
All right, guys, look at this.

Speaker 7 (01:32:26):
I got a question for you.

Speaker 4 (01:32:28):
Paul Stanley wants to know Diary of a Madman.

Speaker 8 (01:32:35):
Let's just go right.

Speaker 2 (01:32:37):
I mean, it's not gonna take us very long, but
let me pull up the thing here.

Speaker 4 (01:32:41):
Yeah, I'm good rock, big ass boner.

Speaker 8 (01:33:03):
And then you know, we could do and have a
similar conversation, similar episode about you can't kill rock and
roll on this album, which is actually a longer song
seven minutes. When I glanced at it, they played all
fucking seven minutes of that song on album oriented radio.

(01:33:25):
There was no radio edit for that. Wow, and that
slow fade out at last like a minute, all kept intact.
And that's another one. It's just like it's a little
less dramatic and classical influence, but just the emotions it
pulls out of you. Yeah, there's the theme of it

(01:33:45):
is it's another epic that's just fucking.

Speaker 2 (01:33:48):
Master when that one kicks into the chorus, amazing, incredible.

Speaker 8 (01:33:53):
The whole album is really to me, it's head and
shoulders above Blizzard and Blizz It is pretty amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:34:01):
I never used to think that, but I am coming
around to that. I used to always be just because
I love Tribute so much. And there's a few diary
songs on it, but the entire Blizzard album is on it.

Speaker 8 (01:34:14):
But if you've listened to it, yeah, it's a studio work.
I don't know how you can and again, not disparaging
Blizzard anyway, but this was just such a to me,
a marked leap forward upward, whatever it's like. Fully, all
of their artistic vision and collaboration was just maxed out

(01:34:40):
on this album.

Speaker 2 (01:34:41):
So all right, well, if you disagree with us, you're crazy.
There's no debate, there.

Speaker 8 (01:34:50):
No there is just you know that the end of
the beginning was by all accounts, that thing couldn't have
gone or except for the Sammy Hagard to back all
of course, but the people they picked to participate, how
reverent they were afterwards, Like you see all their social
media posts about how reverent they were about who they

(01:35:14):
were honoring. It's just like that that that thing went
perfectly and our buddy is over at the Shouted Out
Loud Cast did an episode shortly after that about the
difference between end of the beginning and end of the road.
I mean, do you want to talk about a fucking

(01:35:36):
the chasm of what the right way to do it
and the wrong way to do it? I mean, and
kiss would get the same level of reverence, and it
could have gone the same way, and they just were
so self absorbed and just blew it in my opinion

(01:35:58):
and in the in the opinions of most people that
are paying attention, and just you want to talk about
how the right way and the wrong way to do
a send off, that's it, I would agree.

Speaker 2 (01:36:12):
And I do want to throw out there that I know,
the one episode that we did with this performer, we
weren't terribly flattering. I do want to say on record,
aside from Ozzie and the really incredible performance he put
on vocally, the highlight the person who stole the show,

(01:36:35):
Lizzie Hale. Yeah, just wanted to put that out there.
We'll have to get another Hailstorm song.

Speaker 8 (01:36:42):
Yeah, perhaps, Yeah, I think we didn't get probably the
right one, but you know, she kills it vocally everybody
who's of course raving about young Blood and his Yeah,
it's a it's a version of changes.

Speaker 2 (01:36:58):
Yeah, but I'm gonna say Lizzie vocally stole the show
up to that point.

Speaker 8 (01:37:04):
Well, you're you're biased because she did Perry.

Speaker 2 (01:37:06):
May, she did nail Perry Mason.

Speaker 8 (01:37:08):
Yes, but no, you're right. And again with the exception
of Sammy Hagar was a fucking embarrassed SII Am I wrong? No,
you had one fucking you would want the classic. You
had one jobs.

Speaker 2 (01:37:26):
And it makes so much sense if someone said, hey,
Sammy Hagar is going to do Flying High again, it
makes perfect sense. Okay, that's gonna be great, Like that
would work perfect Well, it's it's the whole vibe of
that song. It works for Sammy Hagar. Like whoever whoever
made that determination, whether it was Tom Morello or whoever,
kudos to you. It's not your fault. It didn't work out, right.

Speaker 8 (01:37:49):
He just put enough effort into it. Learn the fucking material.
That's your job.

Speaker 2 (01:37:56):
I wonder if they rehearsed. I'm sure there were a
lot of rehearsals for that. I love the part where
they showed Chad Smith and he's just got this look
on his face like, well.

Speaker 4 (01:38:09):
Nothing we can do now, can't put the toothpaste back
in the tube now.

Speaker 8 (01:38:13):
But aside from that, everybody else rose the occasion.

Speaker 2 (01:38:16):
And then so yeah, all right, well I think I
think Sammy Sosa would have.

Speaker 8 (01:38:22):
Been standing up there doing his kissing his fingers would
have been better than Sammy Hagar's alleged vocal perform.

Speaker 2 (01:38:36):
They say he used to blast Sammy so used to
blast the Andy's Cuban music.

Speaker 4 (01:38:43):
In the in the locker room.

Speaker 2 (01:38:45):
That's right, Yeah, all right, well that's gonna do it
for us today.

Speaker 8 (01:38:53):
Yeah, I'm running out of gas, so no yard Oh
this week. But you know, lost an all time life
dge this week. Had to do the tribute episode, and
you know, it's kind of weird that he's gone, you know,
but yeah, it.

Speaker 3 (01:39:13):
Is all right. Well, thank you everybody. I hope you
enjoyed the show as much as you could given the circumstance.
We'll be back next week.

Speaker 2 (01:39:22):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:39:23):
By bye,