617 w/ Chris Jericho - Ozzy Osbourne - Shot In the Dark

617 w/ Chris Jericho - Ozzy Osbourne - Shot In the Dark: Chris Jericho is back to join Chris, Nick, and Andy to break down "Shot In the Dark" from the 1986 album The Ultimate Sin by Ozzy Osbourne. 

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
They're trying to tell us something.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
They've figured out the formula for cats. When the clock strikes,
have fastin Babe, Time to head for Chris's house.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
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Speaker 3 (00:44):
Yes.

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Liz get it, y'all got those guys dancing? Yes, Welcome

(01:37):
to the show, as always, joined by this man over here.
I don't know what he's gonna do today. He's not
in the room with us where he usually is, so
we'll see you to dance. I'm gonna find out.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
Oh wow, I'm the only one on here.

Speaker 5 (01:54):
Get Dancing is way past studio.

Speaker 4 (02:08):
Nick. Nick Pollock has entered the program.

Speaker 6 (02:10):
Nick.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
Welcome, Well I'm wive from the circus.

Speaker 6 (02:15):
Yeah, some sort of in the background.

Speaker 4 (02:21):
It's nice.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
Thank you for having me.

Speaker 4 (02:23):
Well, we're glad you're here. And not to your left,
but to my left. Ladies and gentlemen, you want him,
We got him.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
Have it every day.

Speaker 6 (02:42):
Hen, get out of the way.

Speaker 4 (02:47):
Yeah, you put your hands together for the break star
of the podcast. Medium wearing a coonskin hat today. Have
you had that for a long time.

Speaker 6 (02:56):
I've had it for a while. Yeah. It of all
of the moon thing down in Laughayette that happens in
the fall. I heard about that, the harvest moon or
whatever it is.

Speaker 4 (03:07):
Okay, and what made you decide to go for it?

Speaker 6 (03:10):
Since Nick's untrimmed nether region isn't in the room tonight,
I figured I would pay tribute to it.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
It's usually usually ends up on top of your head.

Speaker 6 (03:21):
It does, so that's, uh, you know, we need that
element in the room, so I'm trying to simulate it.

Speaker 4 (03:28):
Uh So, Yeah, all right, We're glad to have you.
And you heard a fourth voice laughing, Ladies, and gentlemen
joining us again. Thankfully, Chris Jerico's here, Yes he's back,
Thanks for coming back.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
This is the first time I think I've seen Nick
off site here. Oh yeah, do his dance I liked.
I was laughing at the beginning, or like, we've got
prices for all price range. You got a couple of
bucks and you sound like the uh is it Lawrence
Bender whatever from Reservo.

Speaker 7 (04:04):
To Ars, Come on your cheap bastard throwing.

Speaker 4 (04:06):
Up the tipping scene. Yeah, well that's how we feel.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
Well, I mean, let's face it, this is basically a
medicine show. It really is what we're doing here.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
Just to add to the coonskin cap once again, I
have to put on this. Uh A little sad this time.
The great Larry Gilstrom from Kick Acts passed away this
week after a long battle with cancer. So it's always
a drag when a pot of Thunder alumni, shall we
say yeah, passed away. Larry was the big guitar player

(04:38):
in the elevator if you remember who stopped the ill
closing the elevator door to rock out and turn all
the suits into in the rockers.

Speaker 4 (04:48):
So rest in peace, Larry was. He was sick for
a while.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
You said, yeah, I was sick for for most of
the year, but probably longer than that though. But he
he was a guy who when I had kick acts
on my cruise, was the one guy they had to
make sure wasn't busy because he was a big software
developer in the Middle East. So he went from kick
Axe to becoming a big time software developer. So he

(05:14):
probably made more money in that vocation than he did
in kick Axe. I would assume, Oh yeah, yeah, probably
you think so.

Speaker 4 (05:23):
I was gonna say year by year totally. I'm sure
the biggest year of kick ax versus the biggest year
of software. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
Yeah, I don't know, man, you know, you know it
was for those eighties rockers, man that you know, none
of them made anything.

Speaker 4 (05:36):
It's true. All right, Well, here we are on a
beautiful Thursday evening. Everyone's got a hat but me, I
gotta get a hat.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
Well, and he was on the floor when I checked in.
Here he's fucking loaded.

Speaker 6 (05:47):
Yeah, that's well, that's why Nick is not here. Andy,
influenza B.

Speaker 4 (05:54):
Were diagnosed influenza B whatever that is.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
Ill, You're going to say that Nick knows when to
stay away when Andy's been on the sauce.

Speaker 4 (06:02):
Oh that could be a too. He was, he was
upset and he left. He's seen it before.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
At my well, it doesn't happen that often, only when
Vinni Vincent is playing.

Speaker 4 (06:16):
I think you can't think.

Speaker 6 (06:17):
That actually cured you. You're drinking escapades trying to go
toe to toe with Jericho. It was a mistake.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
Yeah, yeah, that's all right. You're not the first and
you won't be the last, my friend, It's happened many
times before.

Speaker 6 (06:30):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
Ask will Ospray and the Ousie Open what happened when
they tried to go toe to toe with me in Ireland?
Didn't turn out well for him?

Speaker 2 (06:38):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (06:39):
Man, wow, in Ireland too?

Speaker 4 (06:42):
Yeah, no, less right in Ireland, that's gonna be somewhat recent, right.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
Maybe three or four years ago or so something like that.
It was a while ago.

Speaker 6 (06:51):
That's why that's why I left the night at the
Forgebery early, because you can see Jericho was getting in
that zone. I'm like, I'm gonna step out at this moment.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
Not to mention, the Forgesbury wasn't really our scene.

Speaker 6 (07:07):
No it wasn't, but it was funny just the same.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
We were yeah, we had a good time. We always
have a good time, boys.

Speaker 4 (07:14):
We do right. Yes, that is right, and we're gonna
have a good time tonight. We're gonna find out what
we're gonna break down here. But first Nick's gonna pass
out treats for everyone. Did you send any treats over?

Speaker 3 (07:28):
No, I'm sraid.

Speaker 4 (07:30):
I was hoping there'd be a surprise in here.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
You know, when you got the flu, it's best. Yeah,
not eat, just just have your pedia light or whatever
it is that good idea.

Speaker 4 (07:41):
I just went drinking water some pedia light.

Speaker 6 (07:44):
There's no chicken soup or cookie recipe or something like that.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
I'm just you cut off the dainty song.

Speaker 4 (07:53):
It was on purpose because there was no treat in here.
I can't let all the way through if there's no treat.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
So something. Not only did Nick us some dainties, but
Andy robbed us of of of the theme song. That's
some going brothers bullshit if I ever heard of any that's.

Speaker 6 (08:07):
The typical, typical stuff. Even when Nick's not here.

Speaker 4 (08:12):
So teaming up as villains of the group today, all right,
heel turns So Chris, Jy and I were chatting.

Speaker 6 (08:25):
He's got one, you guys, can you guys commiserate behind
the scenes. That makes me a little nervous, so does it. Yeah,
I don't know what you two guys are cooking up
without Nick.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
Nick and I we we're talking about one as well.

Speaker 6 (08:41):
That's even worse.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
Stop it, it's not UFO. Don't worry about it. This
is not the one that Nick and I discussed, because
last week you guys did a great show or two
weeks ago and Dire of a Madman, and I was
we were just discussing it earlier before we got in
the air, and I really enjoyed the show, and I

(09:04):
was like, really, that song is top five for me
in the Ozzie pantheon, absolutely, so I figured there. I
talked about this with when I had an Ozzie tribute
on Talk to Jericho, which was actually really good with
Frankie from Anthrax and Brian Slagel and Robert Mason, who

(09:26):
was Ozzy's backup singer the Ghost Beyond a Curtain.

Speaker 7 (09:29):
That I've never heard Robert tell any.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
Stories about that before, and I didn't know that. Yeah,
he had some great stories. And then Phil Susan was
there as well, and Phil pointed out that Ozzie's career
went in three stages, which was kind of interesting. There
was the initial Sabbath fired first two solo records. There
was the eighties nineties where he became fucking huge. He

(09:53):
wasn't huge as big as he would be on the
first record or the second. After Randy died came the
next stage, and then of course there's the final stage
where he reunited with Sabbath and became, you know, this
cultural icon because of the of the the reality show,
that sort of thing. And I figured, you know, since
we did two Twisted Sister, come out and play on

(10:17):
a row. If anyone deserves another another, another show, it
would be auzy, so I chose another. We're letting the
cat out of the bag or the bat out of
the bag, if you will.

Speaker 4 (10:29):
You know, when I walked up to Chris's house today,
I think a bat flew out of that wreath in
the front. Is that possible?

Speaker 6 (10:35):
It's possible some nesting up in there.

Speaker 4 (10:39):
Yeah, so hey, it might be a sign.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
We have bats all over the place here in Florida.
The fly I always fly about and if I don't know,
if you guys saw the w W longtime w WW
referee Charles Robinson was in the hospital a few days
ago because you got bit by a bat.

Speaker 4 (10:57):
Wow, how does that even happen you're just walking around?

Speaker 6 (11:02):
Yeah, maybe revenge for some bad refereeing he bet did
back in the day. Who knows? That was up set
at the outcome of one of his uh favorite favorite matches.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
Someone trained a beat to come after.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
He wasn't happy with the result of the event of
a vampuro match. One thing leads to another.

Speaker 6 (11:23):
When Nick, when when we were at your birthday party
and Nick was wrecking the toilet truck, there were some
buzzards circling around about that.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
So no, that was Andy around the divas with his
poor Billy squire costume on.

Speaker 6 (11:39):
Well that yeah, that was Yes, I can't defend myself.
Oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (11:46):
When in Rome, you try to you try to be
a gentleman, you're accused of being ungentlemanly. That's what happens.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
I don't know what was worse, was the ungentlemanly conduct
or the unprepared costume the lack of wig. Yeah, I
don't know which is worse.

Speaker 4 (12:07):
That's true. I should have had a wig when I go.
When I look back, occasionally i'll see a picture from them.
I'm like, eh, I probably should have done it.

Speaker 6 (12:14):
What are you gonna do?

Speaker 4 (12:15):
Yeah next time?

Speaker 6 (12:16):
Yeah, when's your sixtieth coming up soon?

Speaker 1 (12:20):
Six more years ago? Man, six more years ago.

Speaker 6 (12:22):
We'll be there whether you're invited or actually my yeah,
my sixtieth is sooner than that, so maybe we should
do it for that.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
I mean, at least rent a powder room.

Speaker 6 (12:35):
Or a toilet truck and for Nick to go in
there eight or nine times during this.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
I mean, that's me being there's no tomorrow. That's that
mode that I was in.

Speaker 4 (12:50):
Cornbread and toilets, care free.

Speaker 6 (12:54):
Amazing catering at that event, no question.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
I still have a picture of my plate full of food.

Speaker 4 (13:01):
M all right.

Speaker 6 (13:03):
Well, I think Jericho just ducked out the toilet truck.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
Oh no, guy, you guys got to keep it rolling.
When we were talking like that, kind of figured you
would you would know that. So I was super busy
prior to this. I didn't even a chance to pour
my celebratory drink while for the show, so I had
to go grab some ice.

Speaker 4 (13:26):
So there you go, saw you in the hallway getting ice,
all right.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
A favorite saying of our drummer Grant, By.

Speaker 4 (13:34):
The way, that's good. I'm glad that that one after
twenty whatever year it was two thousand, I think that
it's come back and seen the light of day, because
I don't think that was a common Paul Stanley phrase.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
I think he was just no, except for your your
version of it. Yeah, he wasn't one of the tropes,
that's for sure.

Speaker 4 (13:54):
No, what did he say? I told him, put me
at the Canterbury Hotel. Hell, you know, it's just something
he saw at the window on the way there. Probably
Cannibur That sounds fun. The rest of the band was
staying in Chicago. I said, uh uh, dope, me get
that can.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
In months Indian.

Speaker 4 (14:20):
Oh, Paul, all right, so Chris, you have to reveal
this song. So let's turn the microphone over to missus Jones.
Here we go.

Speaker 6 (14:29):
All right, this.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
Got in the Dark, the ultimate sin o the Osborne.

Speaker 4 (14:42):
Yes, shot in the Dark. So you think, guys, I
told you when we were talking about this, this song
has been stuck in my head for a couple of weeks,
so good for me.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
What do you What do you think? Nick? And Chris?

Speaker 3 (14:58):
Because there's a version of a song that I've had
mentally made a note of that there should be an
episode of a yeah, which I guess we can get
into a little bit later. But yeah, this is this
is one that was not uh is ultimate sin on

(15:23):
the streaming service? Isn't there isn't this a sort of
a a streams case?

Speaker 1 (15:30):
No? It it it is? I mean wow, So there
was a point where it wasn't on streaming service.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
I thought it was. I thought it wasn't put on
the main album streaming services when the Azy albums were
initially put out there because OZI hated the album so
much allegedly.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
Which is so crazy, because I really love this album.
I think I think it's it's a great uh representation
of eighties Ay, but it's not like a sidem or
something like that where it's super poppy or anything like,
you know, it's still got some real heavy stuff. I
think Jake's work on it is incredible. So that's interesting

(16:08):
to me. But but I think you're right that it
wasn't out for a while. Let's see we can find
the reason why.

Speaker 3 (16:14):
Yeah, I thought that it was sort of buried, disregarded,
whatever whatever the term may be, by the Assie Camp themselves.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
Ozzie says, if there's ever an album. I'd like to
remix and do better be Ultimate Sin.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
The producer didn't do good jobs. Songs weren't bad, they
were just put down weird. Everything felt and sounded the
fucking same. There was no imagination.

Speaker 6 (16:39):
So who was the producer? Oh?

Speaker 1 (16:42):
Him, okay, which is one of the reasons why I
think Paul wanted him for Crazy Nights, right.

Speaker 4 (16:48):
Oh yeah, probably that's the year before, right.

Speaker 6 (16:51):
This is because he was craving a lack of imagination
on the album.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
See, I don't see that at all.

Speaker 6 (16:59):
Sound say it always.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
It always gets to me when you have an album
that you really like or a song that you really
like and and the artist bags on it. It's like,
you know what I mean, Like once you release those songs,
it don't belong to you anymore. Like you can't tell
me that I that I'm stupid for liking The Elder,
like like Paul and Jean, you're stupid if you like

(17:22):
The Elder, like or Ossie saying he doesn't like Ultimate Sin,
Like I really fucking like this album. So I don't know.
I guess I guess it's the artist, right, But come on, guys, well.

Speaker 6 (17:32):
Or like when Roth had a different kind of truth
pulled off of the streaming services, like, dude, by any measure,
that's a fucking triumph that album, what's about it?

Speaker 7 (17:45):
And it exists?

Speaker 1 (17:46):
So why pull it? Like? It's not like I can't
press button two and go on YouTube and hear the
whole thing in its entirety or song by song, link
by link, like it's just stupid.

Speaker 4 (17:58):
Yeah, you know, so is there any chance it's a
royalties thing? I know that's always an issue in the
Asie camp.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
I mean, I don't think. I don't think Jakie Lee
has ever said he got a lot of money from
either album that he was on.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
Okay, well he didn't get he didn't get any songwriting
credit for Bark at the Moon, which he's still mad
about this to this day.

Speaker 4 (18:23):
Well, Oz wrote everything on Kazoo or something.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
He wrote one one, one figure on a piano.

Speaker 3 (18:31):
Yeah, yeah, he he wrote so Tired with One Thing
on a piano.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
He wrote the riff for bark at the Moon too,
I mean fu yeah, yeah, it's great. When when Jake
got got shot a year or so ago, a couple
of years ago, apparently Sharon sent him a message saying,
let us know there's anything that we can do, and
Jake said, yeah, give you my publishing on Bark at
the Moon.

Speaker 4 (18:57):
That's pretty good.

Speaker 6 (19:00):
Applied. Besides that, I don't see how that will help
in this situation.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
But ultimately, but Shot in the Dark, the song that
we're talking about was a Phil Susanne Aussie joint. Apparently
Phil brought this one up.

Speaker 3 (19:17):
I may have to refute that.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
No, okay, this is you got.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
This is not the original version of this song.

Speaker 4 (19:25):
Who did it? The bus Boys?

Speaker 3 (19:29):
No, there's a there was, I believe. I want to
say a couple of brothers from Scotland had a rock
band and you can find it on YouTube and Suzanne
Phil Suzanne was in the band at one point. Oh
the band was called I think it was like originally
Wildlife or something like that, and they have the original

(19:53):
version of Shot in the Dark, which to me sounds
like if lover Boy had done it.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
Okay, wow, Okay, So.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
These this guy's had a band called FM later that
recorded like a more like a proper version where it's
better production on it. Story goes that they co wrote
it and by the time it got to Ozzie it

(20:20):
was never mentioned that someone else had co written it
with them.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
Well that's not true because Phil says that that that
he brought the song to Ozzie and Ozzie was looking
for another track. So maybe Phil wrote it for that
band they recorded, and then he recycled it to give
to oz. But this was a Ozzie knew that Phil
had written this, and Ozzie's got a writing credit on
it too.

Speaker 7 (20:43):
So is there new lyrics on it or different melody
lines or what?

Speaker 3 (20:46):
It's a it's a pretty it's pretty similar. It's it's
not the exact same song. Okay, So it happened years
before it. I think it was early eighties is when
it was recorded.

Speaker 7 (20:59):
So so here you go the song.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
Steve Overland I think, was the singer on it.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
The song was the only one not to feature writing
credits for either lear. Daisy was originally intended to be
presented in an AOAR style with Sussanne's previous band Wildfire,
and was later done in twenty twelve by Susanne and
the band FM.

Speaker 3 (21:20):
Oh he was in it at that point.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yeah, Phil was in Ozzy at this point. Yes, Yeah,
that's why he brought the song in.

Speaker 3 (21:27):
But what he was not in that FM band when
they recorded it.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
Maybe maybe they re recorded twelve.

Speaker 3 (21:33):
What may be the story that I had read was
that it was it was written by that band originally,
and he took it to Ozzy and kind of said, hey,
I wrote this by myself and may not have actually
written it by himself. That's the story I remember reading.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
Well, anyway you slice it anyway.

Speaker 6 (21:50):
Look once, once the Osbournes get their hands on it,
it's not yours anymore. So what are you going to do?
Sue them right, eat them in a war of attrition
in the fucking courts. No you I don't think.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
Yeah, I don't think that was ever even attempted.

Speaker 6 (22:07):
Well no, nor nor should it have been. But the
point of this is this is the dirty part of
the business. If they they want that song, they're gonna
take it, and your your participation in it be damned.
You get you you are able to do nothing about it.
So that's where we are.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
Yeah, yeah, and what you're saying, Nick, I just I
just google the actual song. It was written by Wildlife
names the guys in the band. Uh. Then when Phil
joined Ozzy, he brought the song in with Ozzy supposedly
writing new lyrics. Apparently there's ambiguous ambiguity in terms of
which parts of the original version were left intact and

(22:45):
Ausi's and blah blah blah, much debate over the proper
authorship of the song Surprise Surprise, Uh you know, And
so so that's kind of like you said, Once Sharon
and Ozzy gets ahold of it, you really there's nothing can.

Speaker 6 (22:57):
Really do, right And I think I think Phil was
an interesting history of yes exactly which I actually wasn't
aware of any of it. I did know one little tidbit.
I think Phil was an a rival band called am
that that might have been contributed to the confusion. I

(23:19):
don't know. But yeah, no, I didn't know any about
anything about that background. I mean, I never thought to
explore it. But like I said, if they if they,
if they want it, they're gon't take it, and they
ain't a damn thing you could do about it really,
you know, maybe they'll cut you a check for like

(23:40):
fifty grand or something to make you go away, but
belongs to them now.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
Yeah, And like you said, I think that's one of
the reasons why maybe Phil left the band or was not.
He says that he wanted a different contract. Sharon wouldn't
give it to him, so they parted ways. So anyways,
like you said, this is a very interesting record because
this record was deleted from Ouzsie's catalog for a while,

(24:07):
which you guys had brought up, and then it's now
back in again. So very strange, this whole situation with
not just this song, but this whole album.

Speaker 4 (24:15):
Yeah, it is so what this is nineteen eighty six.

Speaker 3 (24:18):
Yeah, there were how many videos were there from this album?
At least two?

Speaker 6 (24:24):
Two? Yeah, the Dallas send up on the Ultimate send
the title track, which I always say, I thought that
was a pretty heavy sounding tune. I gotta admit I
never really delved into this album beyond the well, these

(24:45):
two songs so great sport.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
Chris, you're a guitar player, you should check it out
because this is Jake. Jake is on fire on this.
It's a great record, and it's it's a very heavy
record too. There's a couple I'm not even gonna say
popular songs, but there's a couple of you know, the
no Bone movies type, you know, not as heavy.

Speaker 8 (25:05):
A little more accessible accessible, right, including this song which
was a top ten hit in this kind of started Ozzie's.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
MTV era where he became a big thing because after this,
then suddenly you've got you know, miracle Man and then
of course no More Tears just goes to the roof.
But this was the start of him becoming, you know,
more of a mainstream rock guy.

Speaker 6 (25:26):
Yeah, and I gotta admit I was. I mean that
the Dallas you know him as JR. Ewing obviously is amusing,
but like his and I assume we're going to be
watching the video here, yes, his whole his presentation is
kind of turned me off to it. I mean it's
like the Bufont hairdoo.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
And there are a few a few fashion crimes in
this video.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
But once again, it's the eighties.

Speaker 6 (25:56):
I get it. But that doesn't mean I had to
like it.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
I mean I loved it, like I love Ozzy was
just fitting in like fucking doing.

Speaker 7 (26:05):
But he's still writing great stuff.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
And I think what you guys kind of discussed before
with the dire of a Madman when Randy dies this
this this was the hardest. Well, Randy's dish was hard too,
because you've got a broken you know, a broken hero,
and Ozzy gets fired from Sabbath. He's fucked up. He'll
never make it, Like you guys said, no money's promoted

(26:29):
into this record. They make it, then Randy dies. I
think Jake has the hardest spot in any Ozzie band
member ever, with the exception of Randy in taking Ozzy
not just to the next step, but helping him get
through this with the market, the Moon record, and then
going to the MTV era with this record, like fuck,

(26:50):
they got even bigger than ever with Jake they did.

Speaker 6 (26:55):
Yeah, you know, and yeah, it's like you say it
all the time. In sports, the hardest thing to do
is to follow a complete legend, like whoever became the
Patriots quarterback after Brady left? He was doomed to fail.
I mean, you know, Aaron Rodgers taking over for FARV

(27:18):
is an exception to that, but I mean Sabbath and
then Ozzie solo. I don't really count Randy succeeding Tony
Iomi as an equivalent, but taking over at least with
recorded material. I mean Brad Gillison speak of the Devil,

(27:41):
great performance there. You know, Bernie Tormae was in the band,
but you know, Jake E Lee was the full time guy,
the first full time guy. Yeah, that's those are I
mean the fact that he's an amazing player put that
as the fact that he even took on that challenge

(28:03):
is yeah, you know, got to tip your cap to
the guy and then he got chewed up and spit
out by the Osbourne machine. But yeah, I mean he
rose to the occasion, no question about it. I mean
he's a legend, as he should be.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
And as of the recording of this episode, his most
recent public performance was of the song if I'm not
mistaken this Yeah, where the David Drayman lead vocal.

Speaker 4 (28:40):
He had to bring it up, didn't you.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
Hey, you know we're talking about the song. When was
the last time this was performed by anybody having to
do with it? It was done well.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
The thing is, Ozzie kept this in the set for
many years, even the last time I saw him in
twenty seventeen, which was the only time Fozzy and Ozzie
ever played on the same bill. Yeah, they played Shot
in the Dark. So he still kept this in his
in his repertoire. But let's discuss just because I want
to hear Chris L's thoughts on David Draynman.

Speaker 6 (29:15):
Uh, well, didn't he botch didn't he come into early
or something that mess Jake up. Jake gave him the
side eye when he uh yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:26):
The famous made he made a face Uh yeah.

Speaker 6 (29:30):
Yeah, he came in too soon or something famous.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
The famous side I Chris referring to for everyone watching
and listening when you're in a band is when someone
makes an obvious mistake and you got to look at
either your band member or look at the guy with this.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
But everybody, everybody in the crowd knows it's it's.

Speaker 7 (29:47):
It's it's so stupid because we'll hear it.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
The intro comes in, it's like and it's drums and bass, yeah,
and then there's this kind of harmonic really.

Speaker 6 (29:58):
Cool, right, because there's different parts going on that arek
contingent on when the vocal comes in and on.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
Back to the beginning. Jake didn't play that part. I
don't know what happened there. I was wondering if he's
just guitar went out or something.

Speaker 4 (30:11):
He didn't do the harmonic part.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
He did not, And then the riff comes in bound
back the four bars of that then the singing, so
you're basically looking at I think sixteen bars eight bars
of each, right, Yeah, eight bars of the soul of
the guitar bars of the harmonic part, but Jake never
played the harmonic part, so Drayman just jumped in before
jac and started playing the riff and just fucking blew everything.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
So you're saying saved the day with no called an
amazing audible, I'm.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
Not saying that. Okay, he was one of the few
guys that could hit the notes at that back to
the beginning show, but he had zero tone and zero danger.
Shot him the dog. He's like talking out like Lewis
and Gilbert from Revenge of the Nurse singing the song.

Speaker 4 (31:00):
Yeah, no charisma either.

Speaker 6 (31:03):
Yeah, yeah, well nothing. You we didn't need. We didn't
need Lewis and Gilbert. We needed Lamar to step up
to the mic. You know, somebody with some personality.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
The hands, everybody, everybody cut the hands, break in the dark.
Yeah yeah, so Drainman, you know, once again, it was
great to see Jake back up there again. Ultimate Sin.
Jake and Nuno doubled him on the solo and then
apparently Nuno just walked off stage because he was like,

(31:35):
Jake is going to do this by himself and show
when how fucking grat he is, and then Draine Man
has to just screw everything up. Lucky Nuna was on there,
you know what, went all Italian Portugal on him and
hit him over the head with his fucking.

Speaker 6 (31:47):
Nuna was essentially the music or no Morello was the music.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
Director, right, he was, but but but.

Speaker 6 (31:54):
Nun was, everybody always says, so either way, Yes, he's
lucky that Portuguese temperature didn't boil over on him, because
oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (32:09):
Did you ever see the video of him on the
way to the show in the limo with his guitar
and he was rehearsing on the way there.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
Yeah, that was awesome.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
That's pretty cool.

Speaker 6 (32:20):
Yeah, imagine that someone who wants to learn the material
and put put forth a good, uh good uh you know. Performance. Meanwhile,
on the other limo, Sammy Hagar is making tequila deals
and uh you know, figuring out which self promoting fucking
T shirt he's gonna wear on stage, never mind, never

(32:44):
mind brushing up on the lyrics. I mean seriously, that
that shows you right there, who's got their priorities together
and who doesn't.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
And then Chad Smith made a face during that performance.
So both both of those performances, you could see.

Speaker 6 (33:00):
Someone chance has gotta be used to it. It's switching
around with Sammy all these years.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
Chad had a few issues, so we say that we
don't need to get into b is. Chad gave a
few side eyes he did during his set as well.
But see, this is the thing, and it's the same
thing that happened. I've probably said this story a thousand times,
and I apologize for those that have heard it, including
you guys. When we did that Metal Allegiance show in Anaheim.
Metal Asians is a supergroup of all these great players

(33:30):
who get together and play covers, right, and everyone knows
the songs until you get up there and play them
and you realize no one knows the fucking songs.

Speaker 4 (33:40):
Right, you know, you know, like the main riff of
it and kind of all goes and that's about it.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
And it's not like we're playing you know, tn T
by ac DC. You know, you get up there and
you're doing murders in the room rgue or you're doing
you know, I don't know, or you're doing number of
the Beasts and it's like, fuck, you guys, don't know
how this riff raff, Like, you don't know how it goes.

Speaker 7 (34:00):
And that's as I was talking.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
With with Charlie from from panteron Anthrax, because we did
those shows together, just going like maamn, like whatever, doesn't
matter what we said, But I said this, watching this
show reminds me a lot of metal Allegiance because you've
got the Sammy's and the drain Men's and these types
of guys that, oh, yeah, I know the song, Yeah,
it's easy, And then you get up there and you're like,

(34:23):
where the fuck am I? And what lyric is this? Yeah?
But where am I to come in?

Speaker 6 (34:27):
But it's this is back to the beginning. This is
a fucking massive worldwide event.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
Exactly.

Speaker 7 (34:35):
Take it seriously.

Speaker 6 (34:36):
Yes, you know that no offense to metal Allegiance, but
you know that wasn't this Okay, I.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
Agree, It's My point is the same. Though. The reason
why Sammy didn't learn the words or Draymond came in
early is they thought we got it.

Speaker 7 (34:50):
It's easy. I listened to the song a couple right.

Speaker 6 (34:53):
And and and what exactly what I said. Those guys
have that attitude. Jake k Lee, who was actually in
the fucking band, is rehearsing in the limo on the
way to the gig because he knows that this is
serious business, you know.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
Yep, No, it's the same reason why you got all
these guys on stage of shorts and sleeveless shirts on
It's fucking a sabbath Ozzy Festival. Ozzy's one of the
greatest dressed guys in rock history. These guys come on
stage in their pajamas and then fucking young blood walks
out there. Never even heard of the guy before in
my life. Five minutes later, I'm like his biggest fan

(35:33):
because he looked like a star. He took it seriously,
he killed it and crushed it, and suddenly he becomes
the man. And that's the difference between like what we're
saying here. Yeah, and I know we're kind of off
topic on the song Shot in the Dark, but it
all boils down to the actual performance of it.

Speaker 6 (35:49):
Right.

Speaker 4 (35:50):
One more thing, our friend Jackie here in the chat whoop, sorry,
said what she's talking about David Drmones. She said, wasn't
he booed at that event?

Speaker 6 (35:57):
Well, a lot of a lot of the stuff has
to do with his stance on the Gaza Strip situation,
So a lot of that reaction is tied into that.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
So I would like to think that at first, but
now I think they're just bring him because he sucked
up his cue and sang it, sang it like mister Rogers.

Speaker 6 (36:14):
I think I think that, Yeah, I think that. You
know that intensified it. But you know.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
Your opinions on the Gaza Strip notwithstanding, if you would
out there and fucking killed it, you would not get booed.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
It was almost like Walter Matho singing.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
I've never heard Walter Mathough sing anything, but I don't
have to.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
I'm pretty sure he does. He did in a few movies.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
All those guys sang and dance.

Speaker 6 (36:47):
They were legitimates, you know. So yeah, anyway, so yeah,
the video will be watching, Yes, Like I said, well,
we'll get into it as we watch video. So yeah, no,
I'm ready for it.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
All right.

Speaker 3 (37:06):
Was there a video for a fool Like You or No? Okay,
there was not.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
I mean, there might have been some fan made thing,
but as far as I know, because I remember thinking,
why wouldn't they make a video for Killer of Giants?
Such a killer ballad, great great song, but yeah, I
fool like use another great one secret loser? Yeah, Never's
never is awesome. That is fucking great.

Speaker 6 (37:31):
Oh yeah, I think there is a video for that,
isn't there?

Speaker 3 (37:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (37:37):
For about that, there's definitely a video for that.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
That's a really good one.

Speaker 6 (37:44):
Yeah, good call Andy, Look at me.

Speaker 4 (37:46):
I just woke up.

Speaker 6 (37:47):
Influenza B isn't holding you back at all.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
Just scraped himself off the floor after all night bender.

Speaker 6 (37:54):
Exactly out of the proverbial roadside ditch and stepping up
to the mic. I think I overdid it? You think
you think? So?

Speaker 4 (38:05):
Okay, all right, well let's take a quick commercial break
and we'll be right back with Shot in the Dark.

Speaker 6 (38:31):
So see what what I'm going to talk about? Focusing
on the video And as I said earlier, it was
this the the video visual presentation of Ozzy. And this
clip was like, yeah, I'm not really interested in this.

(38:52):
This is like the beginning of or the beginning of
hot for teacher to me, and I'm like, this is
That's not what I want from Ozzie. This is this
is kind of softball for compared to what.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
Once again, though you're a few years older for me,
I was all in.

Speaker 6 (39:09):
I thought, no, yeah, I get that.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
And also keep in mind I never got into Sabbath
until years later.

Speaker 7 (39:16):
Ozzie was Blizzard of Oz. That's where it started.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
I never even really cared about Sabbath, so all I
knew was modern Sharon Osy because this is the Sharon
Osbourne Azsy it is. She's keeping him at the peak
of sure of what's going on at the time. And
don't forget on this tour with all of these songs.
The opening band is fucking Metallity, yes, right, right, so

(39:39):
she knows what's up.

Speaker 6 (39:40):
Right, And look, nobody likes video vixens of the eighties
more than me. You got hot chicks in the video
all that stuff. But I just had a hard time
aligning that, aligning that with Ozzy and his whole image
because Bark the Moon, like you know that video where

(40:01):
he turns into a weird wolf and he's like drinking
something and spitting it up or something. There's there's a
little danger and weirdness and that. This just struck me
immediately as like, well, this is this is just softball
mid eighties stuff.

Speaker 7 (40:17):
This is the song that took him to the next level.

Speaker 6 (40:19):
Though right, oh, I know there's a song. Wise, music
was great, just the visual presentation was off for me.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
What did you think when you saw Gene Simmons in
the who Wants to Be Lonely video or tears are
the same thing?

Speaker 6 (40:33):
Yeah, I didn't. I was you know, the you know,
the food orgy of Lick It Up. Everybody watched it
because you wanted to see what these guys looked like
without the makeup. And then you know this Street Wiener's
anthem all Hell's breaking loose. You know, the the videos
from uh lick it Up? We were interesting, but then

(40:55):
you know that the Heavens on the animalized stuff with
Saint John in it, and I'm like, Okay, they've lost me.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
But it was the peak of bacchanalia.

Speaker 6 (41:04):
It was, But I don't know, it just didn't didn't
resonate with me as much as it kind of it
has over the years, you know, especially the after Bruce
joined Kiss and all those videos, like I've kind of
changed my tunes, softened my stance on Crazy Nights over
the years, I really come to appreciate it for what

(41:26):
it is. But at the time I didn't like it.
It was too soft for me.

Speaker 4 (41:32):
Right, I was gonna say, like, maybe Nick and I
have a little bit of a a luxury or something,
because we look back on this stuff, it already happened,
and they were kind of out of it by the
time we were consuming this stuff. So it was just
kind of an era that like that happened the other
you know, the original Azsie happened, you know, the makeup

(41:53):
kiss happened, Eighties kiss happened. We're at you know, revenge
kiss or whatever. You know. So it's just kind of like,
you know, you're not experiencing it in real time, so
it doesn't have as much of an impact on you,
doesn't offend you as much.

Speaker 6 (42:06):
Maybe, And like Jericho observed accurately, I might add, I
was already a you know, an old fart by the
time this had come around. I was, you know, turning
twenty or whatever. But like I said, it just the
video Vixen's and just his whole look and his hairstyles. Like,

(42:28):
I don't know about this.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
I think even at a young age, when I first
saw his little microphone, the little piece of fabric, glittery
fabric hanging from it, I think even I was offended
as a small child.

Speaker 6 (42:45):
Let's see when it comes out as Stephen Tyler, Now,
I mean what is going on with the hanky? Yeah,
I mean, what is this. It's you know, certain things
just hit you the wrong way about certain artists.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
Well, it's good to see that Chips and knaf is
driving this car with all these beautiful women, and you
gotta look at the driver, the police hat and the
big glasses.

Speaker 4 (43:12):
One more thing I was going to say before we continue. Obviously,
I've heard this song a million times in my life,
but I just came across some reel of someone doing
a guitar cover of it, and just watching what it
looks like to do that harmonic thing with those bends
on the end made me appreciate it more. It's cool.

Speaker 6 (43:30):
Yeah, it was really cool bending behind the nuts, Yeah,
to raise the pitch.

Speaker 4 (43:36):
Yeah, it was cool.

Speaker 6 (43:37):
Yeah. Jake Jake's awesome.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
Jake is the forgotten man in the Aussy pantheon for sure.
Like you said, Chris, he kind of got split up
and eating out or you know, eating up and spit out.
But when you go to these two records, you know,
Randy had to Jake had to zachad to kind of
in the glory years of Ozzy Jake's. I mean, obviously

(44:00):
Randy Jake's is pretty fucking good to absolute. All three
of them are a plus levels.

Speaker 6 (44:07):
Oh, no question, I mean, please, every there There's never
been a B level musician in Assie's band that I
can think of.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
I mean just I mean, there's been something I was good.
But Jake Zach will tell you he loved playing shot
in the said, he said, one of the hardest souls
in the whole catalogs.

Speaker 6 (44:28):
Jakes always doing these fucking eight fret stretches and all
this weird ship that you watch. Watch you just watch
him the dexterity and you're like, how the hell is
he doing that?

Speaker 3 (44:40):
When we're like, like, if you see a live performance
of Killer and Giants he does It's it's really like
just creative and bizarre technique.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
When we're done with this, Chris, listen to Fool Like You.
There's a beginning part there. It's got some crazy how much.

Speaker 7 (44:59):
D ding deep boding deep boom ding ding.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
Ding Like it's really, yeah, I should that's give me
another listen.

Speaker 6 (45:06):
You always was it would for me. It would be
my first listening, is like I said.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
I never Oh wow, you got a treat coming forward?

Speaker 6 (45:13):
Yeah no. And that's see that's the beauty of the
streaming services. It's all at the fingertips. I can listen
to it immediately, and yeah, I I never owned this album.
I never heard it, so yeah, I was.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
That happened to me with Pink Floyd about ten years ago.
I was never a fan and I was in a
Stoke on Trent. We had a gig there. It was
raining and it sucked and sort of slashes from and
I was like, you super depressing, like a Pink Floyd song.
Hees like which one. I'm like, I don't know. He goes,
you know, Pink Floyd. I'm like, not really, just dude,
check it out. So I listened to the catalog animals

(45:50):
and wish you were here, and I was like, I
text my friend Mike Port was like, dude, these are
these you just discovered these records? How old are you.
I'm like, you know whatever, it was forty five or whatever.
He's like, dude, like, I wish I was you. I
wish I could discover these Pink Flood records for the
first time I have I still haven't. If you're in
the right mood, it's it's amazing. And that's why I

(46:11):
feel for you, Chris right now. It's like I wish
I was you at this moment for this one moment.

Speaker 6 (46:16):
Yeah, man, I'm actually excited about it too, because as
I talked about, not not on the last Ozzy episode,
but last week's Andy's destruction of the Great Paul Rogers
and Bad Company.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
But that way goes people.

Speaker 6 (46:33):
The yard of questions was name a perfect album, you know,
or an album that doesn't have any bad songs on it?
And I said the entire bad Lands catalog, all three
of those albums. It's not a bad song on there.
The guitar performances are fucking incredible.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
Yeah, I would say the same for Ultimate, since I
don't think there's a bad song on it.

Speaker 6 (46:56):
Yeah, I'll be checking it out for sure.

Speaker 4 (46:59):
All right, let's keep going.

Speaker 6 (47:25):
See Like again, it's like I've seen no assy, no
members of Ozzie's band right now. It's like a fucking
Cinderella video with those fucking twins prancing around. It's like,
I don't want this from Ozzie, so so I kind
of eject a.

Speaker 3 (47:45):
No.

Speaker 6 (47:45):
I rejected it for that reason. I mean I I
would watch it and I enjoyed the song, but just
like I could never get into this video, I was like,
this is now.

Speaker 1 (47:54):
Well, they're obviously driving around the streets of LA They're
going to apart and as it unfolds, you'll see what's happening.
They're going to the to the Aussie show. I've seen
the video, but it's a driving riff. And that riff
is so like, here's the Here's another thing I loved
about about Jake and Ozzy and with Randy too, Like

(48:15):
Randy is coming from Quiet Riot, right like slick black
Cadillac ship, and he comes and write these rifts like
even the even the most rocker of rocker rifts like
let's say, Steal Away the Night. You know, it's still
heavier and more inventive than than than a Quiet Riot
riff from what we've heard. And it's the same with

(48:35):
with Jake, Like he comes from rat Let's say, right
a riff at the time would be like it's bounced down.
This is not a rat riff. It's like maybe it
might have worked for Judas Priest or something like that,
but it just it just fits fucking assy for some reason,
right different about it?

Speaker 4 (48:54):
How does that happen when these guys show up in
the studio with Ozzy and then they.

Speaker 6 (48:59):
I think I think one of the things that a
lot of people say about Ozzy, you know that that
his one finger songwriting style. Aside he was he was
a master of melody. He's the guy who created all
those melodies. And I think I would wager to guess
that once he gets these guys in a rehearsal room

(49:21):
and they're working out these songs, he's like, no, play
it like this. And that's where, like, you know, that's
where he can justify having the songwriting credit and all that.
But I just think when you're when you when you
when you enter that world, you got to change your
approach or you're going to get bounced.

Speaker 3 (49:39):
You know.

Speaker 6 (49:40):
Maybe that's why George Lynch didn't stick around, because he
just didn't adapt to it. Who knows.

Speaker 3 (49:46):
Now, did Bob Daisy have involvement on this album?

Speaker 1 (49:50):
Yeah? I just I just finished. Have you guys read
the Bob Daisy book? I have it. I just I
just finished it a couple of weeks ago. It's actually
reading it after back to the beginning, and was reading
it as Ozzie died. But he had a real love
hate relationship with the Osbourne's. They brought him in to

(50:10):
write lyrics, then they'd fire him, then they'd bring him back.
Then they'd fire them, then they bring him back, which
to me, it's like, why would you keep coming back, Bob,
because it's a great gig and whatever. So he wrote
all the lyrics on this album, with the exception of
Shot in the Dark, and then just as they were
about to record the record, he got in a fight
and they fired him. So they brought him Phil Sussanne.

(50:30):
But this is all this is all Bob's stuff up
until Shot in the Dark.

Speaker 4 (50:35):
Oh wow, I didn't know that again, and they brought him.

Speaker 1 (50:38):
Brought him back for the rest for the Wicked Tears,
fired him before the album came out.

Speaker 4 (50:45):
Though, did they again with No More Tears?

Speaker 3 (50:49):
Yeah, Mike, Mike, I know, was in all the videos
but didn't play on the album.

Speaker 4 (50:55):
Oh okay, he didn't play on the album.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
But Bob wrote all the lyrics. This is something where
Ozzie wrote lyrics, wrote, Yeah, Geezer ninety, he's the guy.

Speaker 6 (51:08):
He brought him to life with his sentim melody that
you know, it's a huge thing.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
I remember there being something where they were talking to
Jakie Lee about working with Bob Daisley and he said
that it was something along the lines of that. I
would write the riffs, but then Bob would turn them
into songs. Yeah, guess he was the arranger master as well.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
Yeah, Zach said similar stuff as well, because he worked
with Zach on both those records too, so and on
Osmosis before he got fired again.

Speaker 3 (51:42):
Well, I'll say it to my dying breath, whoever whoever
said this is this song is called Perry Mason. Fantastic
idea couldn't be better?

Speaker 1 (51:54):
Well, can I give you the other side of the
coin on that?

Speaker 3 (51:57):
Sure?

Speaker 1 (51:58):
Zach said. When he got the final album and he
heard Harry Mason, he threw it out the window. He goes,
I write this fucking heavy riff for Oz. It's the
heaviest thing I've got. I just handed the music. I
wait a few months, I get the song. Harry Mason.

(52:20):
Harry fucking Mason. Are you kidding me?

Speaker 7 (52:23):
But it's riff Harry Mason.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
I threw the fucking thing out the window. I haven't
listened to it since. Now.

Speaker 4 (52:29):
Was that an Ozzie or was that a Bob Das?

Speaker 1 (52:33):
It must have been an I don't know. I mean,
I'm not sure, I don't.

Speaker 3 (52:37):
Know, but I I just love how bizarre and tongue
in cheek.

Speaker 6 (52:41):
It is.

Speaker 3 (52:41):
It just works perfectly.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
It's a great it's a great tune. It was one
of the highlights of the back was Hailstorm.

Speaker 4 (52:49):
Yeah, sure, all right, let's continue.

Speaker 3 (53:02):
Sale. So you know how like when you're a kid
and you see an airplane fly over and you wave
to it and you think they could probably see me.

Speaker 6 (53:23):
Okay, a kid. I just said that to last week.

Speaker 3 (53:30):
Those girls are driving by and the guys like six
stories up on the top of the billboard, and he
stops what he's doing to wave to him. That's not realistic.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
I like the I think that's actually the girl who's
on the cover of the Ultimate Scene, which if you
haven't seen, it's Ausie kind of a post apocalyptic He's
like a half human, half dragon type thing, and he's
got this chick with like kind of a demonic chick
with a really great ass, much much better than Twist's
sister's ass.

Speaker 6 (54:00):
Always a standout ass for me, is the cover of
Ultimate Sin That that one, You know, I put all
my curmudgeonly criticisms aside and be like, that's a nice
you know, it doesn't matter. It's a nice ass.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
It's I think this girl in the back seat is
starting to get a little crazy.

Speaker 6 (54:21):
She's having some migraine symptoms, you know, migrain headache. Yeah,
uh not what you want. On the way to Nausie
gig I might have influenza b Yeah, that could be.
She's gonna she's gonna crawl and lay down on the
foot on the floor of the car there in a minute.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
But she didn't see is just recorded a podcast about
boys are Gonna Rock?

Speaker 6 (54:46):
Exactly? I think it overdid it all right?

Speaker 1 (54:54):
Here we go?

Speaker 6 (55:11):
Was that Dweezl Zappa or it is just a lookalike?

Speaker 1 (55:14):
No, I was just gonna say in according to what
you're what you were saying about Ozzy and Zappa on
the Diary of a mad Man episode in a pure
a pure form of happenstances, that is actually Dweezls sitting
in on this video before he became, you know, a
guitar hero.

Speaker 6 (55:32):
Yeah, I forgot about.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
Then they ended up playing on Staying Alive together.

Speaker 7 (55:38):
They did a cover that's right later Ozi's got like
they should.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
Do an album just of all of Ozzy's guest appearances,
because he's been he did tons of stuff, even on
the infectious Grooves record with Therapy.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
Oh yeah, I remember that, and I think is one
of his biggest songs still on the Like you go
to the streaming services and it'll have the top three.
Close my Eyes Forever is always on there.

Speaker 6 (56:09):
That's a Christy huge crossover hit.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
A huge cross There's tons of those types of one. Yeah,
you say he did Stillborn for Black Label Society. They
couldn't say featuring Ozzie because it couldn't get permission. Yeah, right,
But there's tons of those. What they did one with
fucking Miss Piggy and Kermit the Frog, Like, there's a
ton of them throughout the years of all these randoms.

Speaker 6 (56:32):
Well, and we talked about this in our text group,
but that song he didn't slash his first solo album,
Crucified the Dead. He's into that vocal, man, he's not
phoning it in. Man. You can hear the you can
hear the intensity in the in the conviction in his voice.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
The last three or four songs that he did before
he died, was it Billy Morrison?

Speaker 6 (56:58):
Yeah? Is that some guy just a Hollywood he's been
in the cult. Billy I always in that like the
what do they call themselves? Their cover band Camp Freddy
the Camp.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
This guy in Ozzy did like three or four songs
that charted. The last Fozzy song Spotlight. The number one
song at the time before Spotlight got there was called
Crack Cocaine, right, I remember it was Ozzy and Billy Morrison.

Speaker 3 (57:27):
Wasn't Steve Stevens on one of those last songs?

Speaker 1 (57:30):
I think so?

Speaker 3 (57:31):
So he played on like the last one that they
came out with.

Speaker 1 (57:34):
Maybe I know it would be a quagmire for legal purposes,
but nowadays you don't need that some of disease to
just make a playlist on Spotify of all the Aussie
you know collabs. As the kids say, now.

Speaker 6 (57:45):
Right exactly ten ten collab. He's see this and this
is this. This just ended it for me. This came on.
I was like, fuck this.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
I don't know whole lot of second Chris.

Speaker 6 (58:04):
Now, this is stupid. This is spinal tap.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
Ship fights a dragon that looked like that.

Speaker 6 (58:10):
I didn't like that either, to be honest.

Speaker 3 (58:13):
The thing that the.

Speaker 1 (58:15):
Leon, the hot in the shape I am the god
of thunder. Like they they wanted technology, but they didn't
quite have the.

Speaker 6 (58:25):
Right It's the pods and fucking spinal tap it's a
it's a joke as they're laughing stocks.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
Did you see the beginning of the Turbo tour with
fucking Judas Priest.

Speaker 6 (58:36):
I didn't like that either. This is this is this
is where the video, you know, the transitioned the emphasis
on video elements. Fucking went off rails from.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
Fucking Ted Nugent concert and watching play Fred the Bear
or whatever the hell will get your inte.

Speaker 3 (58:52):
I will say, though, and he goes back to where
he past. Look at look at those absurd little hands that.

Speaker 1 (58:59):
Yeah, exactly, they're not hands. They're like the the elbows
of the wings.

Speaker 7 (59:04):
If you see the the their.

Speaker 3 (59:09):
Little t rex hands is what they're.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
Small hand.

Speaker 6 (59:14):
I was in college at this point when this when
the when the ship started, when the fucking thing was
lowering from the ceiling, I was like, that's when I
reached for the bong. And I'm like, I don't I
don't care about the rest of this video, and I'll
listen to it and I'll enjoy the music, but visually, no,

(59:35):
not liking it.

Speaker 1 (59:37):
If you look at the cover of the album, the
Aussy Dragon is very small hands. So just they just
made a They just made a Aussy dragon guy hands.

Speaker 6 (59:53):
Yeah, ass is indisputably top shelf. I mean, come on,
you know that stands out to any body.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
Asked of a woman dragging hands like a child.

Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
Isn't there a joke about how it's a post similar
to that all the superhero movies when there's a female
character on the poster, they're in like the most unnatural,
sort of twisted position.

Speaker 6 (01:00:20):
It's the patriarchy, dude, just you know, I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
I will say that looks absolutely preposterous. It is, but
it's fucking awesome. Like you see the bass player like
it's gonna the midge is gonna suck down, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:00:34):
Don't Yeah, you know it's in danger of being trod
upon by a dwarf.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
I think the thing is and Nick, if that fell
on you would be the equivalent of the fucking kick
axe Vice is hot you made me?

Speaker 6 (01:00:48):
Yeah? That thing is made of paper mache, weighs like
three pounds.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
Like this thing falling on you right there.

Speaker 3 (01:00:54):
Yeah, maybe there's candy inside of it.

Speaker 6 (01:01:00):
Ozzi Pinnata trying to tap into the Latino audience.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
It's filled with breakers.

Speaker 4 (01:01:08):
Oh yeah, let's see what happens next.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
But here's the best part. That's okay.

Speaker 7 (01:01:34):
So this is where as a kid you would flip out.
You see this weird thing about opens up an assie
sitting in it, like, that's amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
How did he get up there?

Speaker 6 (01:01:45):
Like I said, this is when I was applying the
lighter to the bowl of the graphics three foot or
at this point, I'm like, I'm just gonna enjoy the
sonics here. I'm not gonna look at the TV anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
Any go ahead.

Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
I will say musically, one of the best catchy yeah
choruses in hard rock. I'm just absolutely infectious, simple but
just super catchy. Yeah, influenza b.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
But like Andy said, it gets stuck in your head
and it's you can see why this was top ten
on MTV Doll MTV, which at the time was bigger
than being top ten on you know, local rock radio,
although it's probably big on the local rock radio too.

Speaker 7 (01:02:34):
Yeah, Chris, if you look in the crowd, I think
you can see the wolf Man.

Speaker 6 (01:02:40):
I think Adrian Zamet is in the crowd as well.
That's that's actually who I originally thought Duez was. Like
adrianza Met is here this stupid.

Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
Meets the phantom.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
Yeah, here, little deal going on there too very much.

Speaker 6 (01:03:09):
So yeah, and then as we I think we've talked
about in prey other video watch, but whenever you have
the added in sound effects, the explosions and stuff, it's like, Okay,
It's like yeah right, It's like put adding a laugh
track to a mash episode. It's like, and do I

(01:03:31):
really need this? You know.

Speaker 3 (01:03:34):
Is playing an SG he.

Speaker 6 (01:03:37):
Is He's playing an SG junior single pick up P
ninety which whether or not he ever actually played one
stage as a guitar nerd. You know that eighty six
was in the ear of the super strats, the Floyd
Rose equipped guitars, you know, the all the pointiness going on.

(01:03:58):
He comes out with this old, old school fifties style guitar.
You're like, Okay, that's pretty cool.

Speaker 7 (01:04:05):
I also like, this is the cloak era of of
of bands like this. Every guy had a long.

Speaker 6 (01:04:10):
Cloaks are good. Cloaks need to make a comeback. I've
been saying that for years.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
When I when we first did the Fozzy documentary in
two thousand, I said, I want to cloak like Assi's
like it was. He has a yellow and black one
that he wore on the Live The Ultimate Assie or
whatever it's called it. The live version of the video,
like the live home video show had just like it
was kind of a cloak like this that he's wearing hair,

(01:04:35):
but it was all yellow and black. It looked all cool.
They ended up getting me like a like a magician's tape.

Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
Ah.

Speaker 7 (01:04:41):
They said, well, this is a cloak. It's got a
hood on him like this is.

Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
No, No, I don't want this.

Speaker 6 (01:04:49):
This right exactly. Yeah, no, it's hard to find a
proper cloak. I trust me. I've looked for it. Cloaks
need to make a comeback.

Speaker 4 (01:05:00):
Did you wear it still?

Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
Of course you'll see it. It's on YouTube. You can
see me wearing it's when I yell at the pyro
guy or something like that, wearing a fucking cloak, a cloak.

Speaker 6 (01:05:10):
Sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
Those bats flying there like pigeons or I guess like doves, right, okay,
there's something flying around though something was added in posts
for sure.

Speaker 6 (01:05:25):
Yeah, that might be a bat.

Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
It was a bat. It's a bat.

Speaker 3 (01:05:29):
That's not a bit.

Speaker 6 (01:05:30):
It looks more like a bird of some sort.

Speaker 3 (01:05:32):
Yeah, that's a that's a pigeon, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
It's a pretty fucking ugly pigeon.

Speaker 3 (01:05:37):
They fail good by the subway station.

Speaker 4 (01:05:42):
Yeah, that wasn't even a prop. It's just there. So
he had some pie. Like I don't know. You said
there was a live concert from this time. Was he
doing all that stuff in the live concert or is
that just for this music video where there's kind of
like an element of magic happening.

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
I remember it was always azzy just crazy. Is he
ausy ship? But he? You know, Ozzy would always wear
a cloak like this live for like six seconds. He'd
wear it out and then take it off and have
no shirt. Like I was watching the US festival the
other day and he comes out on this you know,
this is Indian witch doctor, this massive like ran the
Seio WrestleMania head dress. He's got the it's got like

(01:06:20):
a fucking a mask on it, and it's got like
like fake hair, and has got this like jacket. And
he comes out on stage and within three seconds he
takes off me rips. He can't get the jack offs,
He just fucking rips. It probably costs I don't know,
five thousand dollars for this thing in nineteen eighty three,
and within three seconds he's ruined it. Fuck this all right, Sharon,

(01:06:41):
I'll wear it.

Speaker 4 (01:06:43):
Then he's just shirt less the rest of the time.

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
Yeah, yeah, plus it was plus it was a thousand
degrees ridiculous, It makes no sense whatsoever.

Speaker 6 (01:06:50):
And it was a thousand degrees that day.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
Yeah, I mean, but but you even see if I
also watched live aid it was the anniversary, right, yeah,
last month and when Sabbath played, when when the curtains open,
Aussie's got this big, giant like jacket. He sticks that
hold the sleeves out, and he as soon as the
curtain is like this much open, he just throws it
off like it's barely even opening that where anyone can

(01:07:13):
see it. From the back, we see it, but from
the front it's like, okay, it's off. It's how much
money did they spend on this thing?

Speaker 5 (01:07:20):
Are they?

Speaker 7 (01:07:21):
You stand there with this.

Speaker 4 (01:07:24):
All right, let's go.

Speaker 7 (01:07:47):
Mann.

Speaker 1 (01:08:01):
Now I can see what Chris Ela is saying, Like
you watch the verse, it's very light and it's crazy Auzy.

Speaker 7 (01:08:08):
Having to sing like now in the pal wasn't Renty
and me like it's.

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
Not the crazy guy?

Speaker 7 (01:08:16):
But either it was changes or either was you know a.

Speaker 1 (01:08:19):
Lot of these types of tune like going insane. Yeah,
you know exactly.

Speaker 6 (01:08:24):
I didn't like that song either, Nick, That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:08:28):
You're consistent.

Speaker 1 (01:08:29):
But yeah, it's the same way that I hated The
Unforgiven and I hated you know, fucking sand Man, and
I hated nothing else matters. Meanwhile, it took Metallica from
gold status to fucking quintumple platinum status. Didn't matter what
I thought, or what you thought or what we thought.
It mattered what the masses thought. And they loved this too.

Speaker 6 (01:08:50):
But are you saying you hated the black album stuff
sonically or the video present.

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
I didn't know what that even meant at the time.
I just put the record on and hated the fact
there wasn't nine minute thrash okay, instantly abort it. It
took me years to get into it, and I finally understood.
I obviously it's one of the greatest records of all time. Yeah,
but when you come from you know, Dier's Eve and
Harvester of Sorrow and freight Ends of Sanity, like, what
is this ship?

Speaker 6 (01:09:16):
Sure understood?

Speaker 7 (01:09:17):
Yeah, you know, so, I could see why you would
think the same about Shocking, But.

Speaker 6 (01:09:20):
I don't think the same. I like the song, it's
just if separating it from the video like it was.
It was perfectly fine. Like I said, by this time
in the video I had I had a full three
foot bong hit in my lungs. I just averted my
eyes from the TV and enjoyed the sonic glory of it.

(01:09:42):
It was great, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
And whereas our gang gang, our gang with Spanky enough Alpha,
our group of guys were trying to figure out how
to play it like I couldn't. You couldn't play the
thing the intro, but you could play bound out to
get together, bounding ding, do biting, dang and dance. So
we were trying to play it, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:10:03):
Sure, Yeah, because it was the new Aussie Yeah. And
it's it's sonically, it's it's excellent. It's the visual presentation.

Speaker 3 (01:10:11):
I never liked that so lyrically. Does anybody have any
idea what the song is about? I have a theory,
but it's not a strong one.

Speaker 1 (01:10:23):
Let's do what your theory.

Speaker 3 (01:10:24):
I think. I think he's a hit man, Oh wow,
danger and that's it's not based on all the lyrics.

Speaker 6 (01:10:32):
But well and stealing Jackie's line in the chat. Yeah,
that's what I want my hit hit man is to
be resembling Blanche from The Golden Girls.

Speaker 3 (01:10:42):
I mean he's got he's got no stealth. If he's
trying to pull.

Speaker 6 (01:10:46):
A job, it's like, right, right, you show up to
a hit wearing a secret jacket. It's like, dude, I
think you.

Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
Got a dude out on the streets. I'm stalking the night.
I can hear my heavy breathing. Paid for the kill.
It doesn't seem right. Something there. I can't believe it.
So he's a reluctant hit man, right, Yeah, voices are
calling from inside my head. I can hear them, vanishing
memory memories of things that were said. They can't try
and hurt me now, Yeah, shot in the dark, one
step away from you, always creeping up on you. Okay.

Speaker 6 (01:11:14):
Could he be Nick the nervous man in a four
dollar room, the Crumb from Twilight On, Yeah, that way.
It's like, yeah, he's trying to he's trying to be
fired as a hit man. So he shows up for
the job and a seekin cloak.

Speaker 3 (01:11:31):
His boss is like, yeah, you're not dressed properly, the
most conspicuous.

Speaker 6 (01:11:36):
Go home, Go home and we'll talk with h R
in the morning. But for now you're fired.

Speaker 1 (01:11:43):
Taught by the powers that preach over me. I can
hear their empty reasons. I wouldn't listen. I learned how
to fight. I opened my mind to treason. He's almost
like the this is like a pre a precursor to
Operation Mind Crime, and he's, uh, he doesn't want to
kill Mary. He opens up his mind to treason, and
suddenly Doctor X gets in his head and we've got
a whole other ball of wax going on over there.

(01:12:06):
Not Queen's Rike, fans, your ice.

Speaker 4 (01:12:09):
I'm vaguely familiar with the concept of that.

Speaker 7 (01:12:13):
Those jokes would have killed if this is a Queen's crowd.

Speaker 6 (01:12:17):
You got to read the room chair.

Speaker 4 (01:12:22):
People are laughing at home.

Speaker 6 (01:12:24):
Yeah, the three Queen's like fans who listen to the show.
All right, it's kind of funny.

Speaker 3 (01:12:40):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:12:40):
Jake's got the sequin cloak and the stripe pants and
the chuck tailors down on the feet.

Speaker 1 (01:12:47):
You know, there's my Aussie right there. Yeah, that's the
Aussie I want to see.

Speaker 4 (01:12:55):
I kind of like that look. He's he's really mugging
it up.

Speaker 6 (01:13:01):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:13:01):
They you know, it's like putting lipstick on a pig,
like they tried, but he's still fucking crazy. Assy. You
can't take that away. He's you know, at some point
he's gonna, you know, puke on himself or whatever it is.

Speaker 4 (01:13:12):
Yeah, he looks like he's about to.

Speaker 3 (01:13:16):
Does anybody else think that the main female character kind of.

Speaker 7 (01:13:23):
Yeah, looks like Jake. Oh wow, good call.

Speaker 1 (01:13:27):
Maybe maybe it's one of those things like Dog the
Bounty had Hunter where he married himself. He married a
chick that looked just like him.

Speaker 3 (01:13:36):
Yeah, I don't know, like his second wife he is.

Speaker 1 (01:13:40):
I don't know that the pantheon of Dog which.

Speaker 6 (01:13:44):
Marriage second wife? Who cares?

Speaker 3 (01:13:48):
I know?

Speaker 1 (01:13:50):
I don't.

Speaker 6 (01:13:50):
I don't. Nick's just through this whole episode he has
just been making ship up and now this is the
latest one. She looks like Jake. No, she don't. She does.
She doesn't have any Asian features to her hair.

Speaker 3 (01:14:06):
Chris, I don't see culture color.

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
I don't know about you.

Speaker 6 (01:14:11):
It just sees did you just meet me? Nick? I mean,
what is the fact that we're not in the same
room together if you've forgotten what I'm all about.

Speaker 3 (01:14:24):
I just I just want to know which which wife
of dogs of Dwayne's that you're talking about.

Speaker 6 (01:14:30):
His second wife.

Speaker 3 (01:14:33):
I'm a fan. I gotta.

Speaker 6 (01:14:37):
Delve into it on your own time.

Speaker 4 (01:14:42):
All right, let's keep going.

Speaker 6 (01:14:58):
Yeah, I was gonna say we got to a glimpse
of Nick's Knick's boy Randy Castillo. Nick is probably the
biggest Randy Castillo fan I've ever met?

Speaker 1 (01:15:07):
Is that true?

Speaker 3 (01:15:08):
Rest in peace? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:15:10):
Really? Why is that? Nick?

Speaker 3 (01:15:13):
I mean he was he was the guy when I
became an Aussie fan.

Speaker 7 (01:15:17):
I think it was.

Speaker 3 (01:15:18):
Was it on the Ultimate Ausie Live video where he's
doing that drum solo hits his head and yeah, he's
doing that, but doesn't he he puts his foot up
on the floor Tom and he's he's he's shifting the
pitch like pressing down on his Yeah. I just and

(01:15:39):
like every album that he played on, I thought everything
he played was perfect for the song.

Speaker 1 (01:15:45):
He might have the longest tenure of drummers in Ausy history,
from like eighty five to ninety two or ninety three,
except for like Mike Borden probably, but no, I think
I don't think Mike was there in the nineties right
at the point.

Speaker 3 (01:15:58):
And he was on the first two Uh, he was
on the first two Blizzard of a.

Speaker 6 (01:16:06):
Good one, well played.

Speaker 1 (01:16:07):
Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna deny that you said that,
because I deny that those records ever existed.

Speaker 6 (01:16:14):
Well, I saw Castillo, I saw the No Rest for
the Wicked tour, and Castillo is in the band. Definitely
a standout, I mean, you know, and that's another one.
You're filling the shoes of the likes of Tommy Aldridge
and for a short period Carmina Peace.

Speaker 4 (01:16:31):
But you know, I didn't even know he was with Ozzie.

Speaker 6 (01:16:34):
He was, He's in the Bark of the Moon video
and I think he played a little bit on that album.

Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
But he was. He was. He was too famous to
be an Aussie's band, right, So Sharon said.

Speaker 4 (01:16:45):
That was for reasoning.

Speaker 6 (01:16:47):
Yeah, yeah, they didn't want.

Speaker 1 (01:16:48):
To, and they brought Tommy Aldridge back.

Speaker 6 (01:16:50):
Right, and then they brought Randon Castillo at that point
was a relative unknown, but you know, definitely a standout
performer live.

Speaker 1 (01:16:58):
I mean, you gotta think, man, just on that point,
how many unknowns did Ozzie make in the stars bass players, drummers,
guitar players, keyboard players. I mean, fuck that, you'd name
it if you played with Ozzy. Ninety percent of those
guys have careers still this day. And every instrument.

Speaker 6 (01:17:20):
Yes, absolutely unbelieve about it.

Speaker 3 (01:17:24):
And and for a guy that a lot of people
will bag on for oh, he's technically not as good
as singer as Deal. People kind of they bag on
Ozzie's vocal abilities. Sometimes it's like, think of the musicians.
It's everybody's elite that went through Ozzie's band.

Speaker 1 (01:17:45):
Ozzie's a better singer than Deal. I'll tell you the
reason why. He might have been technically as good as Deal,
but he's more accessible and fucking chicks love Ozzie's voice. Hence, Mom,
I'm coming home. Hence Goodbye to Romance, Hence if I
close my eyes forever. Dio had never had a song
like that that resonated with with the mainstream. That's it

(01:18:05):
right there, And I'll say, I mean, I loved you
as a singer. Ozzie's maybe my favorite singer of all
time besides Bruce Dickinson and and one or two others,
but Ozzie's vocal We talked about Meglomania all the way
up until I was just listening to Parasite today and
Patient number nine, that record, which is his last record
from a couple of years ago. That's another one if
you don't sleep on it. His vocals are still fucking great.

Speaker 7 (01:18:26):
On that too, so good like a Paris site night.

Speaker 6 (01:18:33):
Ye underrated vocal, yes.

Speaker 1 (01:18:38):
But yet like like we said, watch the back to
the beginning and see all these big time players step
up to the plate and strike out. I mean, I'm
not going to name any names, but there are some
guys on there that just tory guys. You know, you
just you just don't have it to sing like that.
It's too high for you.

Speaker 3 (01:18:58):
There were a few that I thought, uh like, you
may agree or not. You don't have to say if
you don't want to. But I thought Joey Belladonna did
a great job.

Speaker 1 (01:19:07):
He was great.

Speaker 7 (01:19:08):
He was great, absolutely great. Wit Crane was great, looked
like a bum.

Speaker 6 (01:19:15):
What do you think of What do you think of
Maynard Tool?

Speaker 1 (01:19:19):
I don't know what what Sabbath Song to be.

Speaker 6 (01:19:22):
He did have a hand of doom, I believe, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:19:25):
I mean it didn't stand up for me like Lizzie
did great. You know I didn't.

Speaker 7 (01:19:30):
I don't really know.

Speaker 1 (01:19:31):
I don't remember what Maynard did, which tells me he
probably did a service lettle job.

Speaker 6 (01:19:35):
Maybe I thought it was I thought it was I
thought everybody rose up except for sam really, I mean,
you know, like.

Speaker 1 (01:19:43):
Like Corgan didn't hit the right notes, and you know,
Randy blythe you don't expect him to and and Tom
Araya like you know, you guys are doing they're not
You're not even close and not trying. But there's a
lot of guys that just kind of came even Sammy
like yeah, and Draymond did didn't do it?

Speaker 6 (01:19:58):
They or harder than anybody thinks.

Speaker 1 (01:20:01):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:20:03):
Wasn't there a period where wit Crane had a job
of being like the Ozzie rehearsal guy could be. I
think I remember hearing an interview at one point, probably
like after Ugly Kid Joe had their heyday, but he
was hired.

Speaker 1 (01:20:18):
There has to be a connection. Why else was he
invited the most random of guys, right, I think?

Speaker 3 (01:20:23):
I mean, well, didn't he No? Okay, so the connection
it's it's maybe too far of a connection, but you
had I ain't no nice guy after all? Right, Yeah,
and then like Hell Raiser and all that, and then
you've got born to raise Hell where you've got wit Crane.

Speaker 1 (01:20:49):
On that too.

Speaker 3 (01:20:50):
Lemmy, Well, I'm saying I'm doing the with Crane to
let Me to Oz and then Iced Tea would was
was on that one as well, but that's that's the meme. Well,
and then didn't they do a really ugly kid? Joe
did a really good version of that id on that
Nativity and Black album.

Speaker 1 (01:21:09):
But still all the singers why him? He must have
been friends with Osborne's for some reason, so maybe he
was the rehearsal guy.

Speaker 4 (01:21:16):
Yeah, I think that's what it was.

Speaker 3 (01:21:18):
That.

Speaker 4 (01:21:18):
You know, Ozzie didn't either didn't want to or didn't
want to waste his voice rehearsing, So yeah, that.

Speaker 1 (01:21:23):
Could make sense.

Speaker 3 (01:21:25):
He was like there, Shannon Hoon or something good, call
another Voal Coller, what do.

Speaker 4 (01:22:16):
You guys think of that?

Speaker 6 (01:22:18):
Well, it's great lead guitar playing. Come on. The tone
is always impeccable, and you know they just say like
a relatively simple melodic slide guitar intro and then he
goes into a more you know, shred mode. Just the guy,

(01:22:41):
he's impeccable, a micetro and the guitar.

Speaker 1 (01:22:46):
What I think too, is it's a perfect radio guitar solo,
Like this is not a sixteen bar, you know, not
a thirty two bar solo. It's just here's it might
be longer. Here's eight bars. Let's see you guys. Like
Chris just said, he starts it nicely, he builds it nicely,
ends with some nice you know, it's just really really

(01:23:08):
well done and once again makes me realize and remember
just how fucking great jak Lee is in the Ozzy
Osbourne band and in the Ozzy Osbourne legacy for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:23:19):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 6 (01:23:22):
Whenever wherever in the process this song came into the
fold to be included on the album, anybody could tell
that this is going to be the single, So you
have to play appropriately, you know, you got to do
something that's got a little bit accessible but also shows

(01:23:42):
that flash that people are used to from Ozzy guitarists,
and he rose to that occasion for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:23:49):
I have a question.

Speaker 3 (01:23:52):
As far as guitar solos in Azzy's solo career. You
got Randy Rhodes playing solo. Ozzy's running over there, picking
him up, grabbing him by his hair, pushing him around
and stuff. He's doing it to Jake ee Lee as well.
Did he ever do it to Zach? Did he just
not do it at that point?

Speaker 1 (01:24:11):
I think he picked he never picked up Zach, But
first of all, Zach's much bigger than those guys. And
did you guys ever see him pull Jake's hair?

Speaker 6 (01:24:19):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:24:19):
Yeah, have you ever seen that? Andy go on YouTube,
there's some clips like he like it's during Suicide Solution
and Jake's Ozzy comes over. He just stops, he just
goes and then he walks over to Jake and he
fucking grabs his hair and he pulls his hair hard.

(01:24:40):
It's not show business pull. I know the difference all
the way to the ground. And Jake still keeps playing.

Speaker 3 (01:24:45):
And Jake just makes a face like it's it's a
stick kind of yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:24:49):
Wow, and it's funny. We did a quarantine gig in
Vegas and Jake came. We went to the Golden Teki,
which is a bar that in Vegas is you know,
kind of a cool thing, and everyone's like, yeah, I
remember when you when we went to the Teak after
and Jericho's in the corner pulling Jake's hair. Well, what

(01:25:11):
you didn't know was I mentioned that to Jake and
she goes, yeah, you know, I got pretty strong hair,
so you can pull it hard. I'm like, no, dude,
Like I know the difference. Like you pull someone's hair
in wrestling, you grab them like by the scalp, and
you say no, no, you could pull my hair hard.
I'm like it, no, he goes pull my hair. I'm like, dude,
I'm not gonna pull you pull my hair. I'm not really,
I'll pull your fucking hair. So I'm pulling his hair

(01:25:32):
as hard as i can from the end too, like
like Ausie was not here where you would grab it
and wrestling and do that shit. He's like, pull it harder.
So I'm fucking pulling his hair and I'm just like ah,
And he's like, if you weren't with us, you would
just see two adios in the corner pulling each other's hair.

Speaker 3 (01:25:50):
This is like, this is like how Harriet Houdini died.
He'd challenge people to punch him in the obnon.

Speaker 6 (01:25:58):
And this was after he got right.

Speaker 1 (01:26:02):
That was his first public outing, was coming to the
Quarantine gig. So yeah, if you guys are ever in
La Vegas and you happen to wander past the Golden
Tiki and you go inside and you see me and
Jakie Lee in the corner pulling each other's hair, you'll
know you know the story behind it.

Speaker 6 (01:26:17):
See, we should have done that at the forge. Berry
really made some waves in there.

Speaker 7 (01:26:22):
To start, I was creeping it behind you. Then I
realized you don't have any hair.

Speaker 6 (01:26:26):
That that was a wrong sequence there, So.

Speaker 7 (01:26:29):
Then I went over to do it to Farley and
it was the same fucking thing.

Speaker 1 (01:26:32):
So that's why I wanted to leave.

Speaker 6 (01:26:34):
Yeah, no one's there. Yeah, there weren't too many other
long hairs there either. It's not really the look.

Speaker 1 (01:26:40):
For the christ Granton's battle Vest.

Speaker 6 (01:26:43):
Well in its battle vest. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:27:05):
Why why.

Speaker 6 (01:27:25):
Ah, there we goes go us O again doing you way?

Speaker 2 (01:27:50):
It turns.

Speaker 3 (01:27:59):
Like a sort of ending.

Speaker 1 (01:28:01):
Yes, So we're lad to believe that Julie ended up
stuck in a billboard for the rest of her for
rest of eternity.

Speaker 4 (01:28:07):
Because earlier there was nothing on it right when they
drove past the earlier so.

Speaker 1 (01:28:13):
She was possessed by Ozzie and and much like the
precursor to Poltergeist. Maybe after I was stuck in a TV,
she was Julie was.

Speaker 6 (01:28:22):
Still And conceivably this happened during the gig that she
got transported up to the billboard, right, m All her
friends just fucking got in the car and left. They're like,
I guess Julie's gone.

Speaker 1 (01:28:35):
I don't know, maybe he's probably that's probably Dweasels doing.

Speaker 6 (01:28:38):
Yeah, maybe they flipped her a backstage pass and you
know she's Julie's back there doing what group?

Speaker 1 (01:28:46):
She went off with Castillo and was never seen again.
Let's talk about the song.

Speaker 4 (01:28:52):
Let's talk about the song. We have to vote Sweet
Surrender A kicking the cross. Who wants to vote first?

Speaker 1 (01:28:58):
I'll go first?

Speaker 6 (01:28:58):
All right?

Speaker 1 (01:28:59):
Obviously Sweet Surrender?

Speaker 6 (01:29:06):
Hell yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:29:07):
The great artists can evolve through time and evolve with
the times to stay relevant. Yet when you hear their
songs back in the modern era, it still works and
shot in the darkness, much like Kiss and the Stones
and all of our favorite bands. They were able to
do that, and Ozzie did it. And this is once again,

(01:29:28):
this is the song that took him from dudes like
us worshiping at his every move to MTV chicks going
crazy for Ozzy and I just think all across the board,
it's it's a brilliant piece of I wouldn't even say
pop metal, but it's very accessible metal, shall we say,

(01:29:48):
still very Ozzy And you can call it pop metal, Yes,
let's say pop metal. It's a great slice of pot metal.
Yet it's still very ozsy all across the board, all right.

Speaker 3 (01:29:59):
Nick, very sweet surrender, hell yeah, always been a big
fan of this one. It really is a great example
of how Yes Ozzie has the the guy who just

(01:30:25):
broke out of an asylum persona. But the songs are
really well done, and they're really they're really accessible and singable,
sing alongable, and just what a great chorus first and foremost,
but very very good arrangement, great solo. It's just it's

(01:30:53):
it's a very well crafted song. And just for fun,
anybody out there listening who hasn't heard the alternate version
by the FM band, it's an interesting listen, especially if
you've heard this song all your life and you know
this version. So yeah, it's it's it's pretty cool. It's

(01:31:15):
got it's similar in some ways, different in others. It's
got the chorus is there. I mean, that's that's the hook,
That's what's gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:31:25):
Be, that's the money, right, Yeah, yeah, so it's in.

Speaker 3 (01:31:27):
It's there in both examples. Whoever wrote it first, I
don't know, but it's great and it's the Azzi version,
of course is it's a classic. And I don't get
why people say it was not part of the catalog
for a while, but I think it was as that
said that, for whatever reason, he and his Sharon in

(01:31:49):
the camp whoever.

Speaker 1 (01:31:51):
To the point where they played this song all the
way up until twenty seventeen.

Speaker 3 (01:31:55):
So I don't get that either. Yeah, but disregarded the
album in some way. But it's fantastic, all.

Speaker 6 (01:32:01):
Right, Chris l oh Sweet Surrender for me? Hell yeah, yeah.
I just added Ultimate Sin and Bark at the Moon
to my liked songs c. So I'll be digging into
that new discovery. And I'm totally with you. When when

(01:32:24):
I'm like when I've been enjoying something for years and
I talked to somebody and they're like, oh, I've never
heard that, I'm like, man, I wish I was you
right now here for the first time, you know. So,
so I'll be delving into that. But you know, video
stuff aside. You know, it's fun to you know, it's
of the time, and like you said that, just that

(01:32:46):
having video Vixen's and in the video and stuff and
combined with the accessibility of the song, you know, that
started his crossover into more of the mainstream. But just
speaking strictly sonically, like we've talked about, the chorus is money.
Jakie Lee's guitar playing brilliant. I don't think. I don't

(01:33:09):
think he's ever played a bad note in his life.
I mean, even though I don't even need to say
even the Red Dragon Cartel stuff is fucking great. Both
of those albums, the first album with all the singers
like like Slash did on his solo album first one. Yeah,

(01:33:30):
in the second one, which is more of a cohesive lineup,
there's a lot of interesting stuff, especially on that second album.
So yeah, absolute sweet surrender for me.

Speaker 4 (01:33:42):
All right, I want to give it a sweet surrender
as well. Hell yeah, I don't even know where to begin. Yeah,
like I was saying, I thought it was cool watching
a guitar cover of it because I've never seen anyone
actually play this and that you know, sometimes a song

(01:34:02):
that you already like, you could see it like in
another light for some reason, and it kind of reignites
your interest in it. And that's kind of what happened
to me in the last couple of weeks. For some reason,
I wish I could find it. I don't even know
if I could find the video at this point, but
it was really cool, Like it sounded great. The guy's
guitar sounded great. But yeah, great song. I like these
stupid videos. But I could understand if you're of a

(01:34:24):
certain age when it comes out, how you'd be turned
off by how silly it is. But you know, like
the part where Ozzie's in the bat thing and opens
and he's got his big bug eyes making a deranged
smile at the crowd. Yeah, I like it. It's fun.

Speaker 1 (01:34:40):
Yeah, yeah, dude.

Speaker 2 (01:34:42):
I yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:34:42):
Once again, I always put myself. I never judge, and
I understand what Chris is saying at the time when
he's in college and you never look back at these
videos and give a thumbs down. To me, it's like,
I remember seeing this, and it's the new azzie in
a time where everybody had gone the That's why I
also loved Metallica and Anthrax and Megadeth because they had

(01:35:04):
gone the opposite way, right, So you know, I but
I appreciated this side of the Coin and and Kiss
and yan T and Van Halen and Zzy and Rush,
all the bands that came out of the seventies and
were able to morph into what they're doing. I will
say this though, and this is something that I that
I was thinking about during this and I've been thinking

(01:35:24):
about it for a few weeks since Ozzy passed away.
I can't think of another guy who came from a
band that went solo, that was bigger solo than he
was when he was in the band and helped me
with this if I'm wrong, but there's like Roth comes
out of the gate huge and then goes down. Dio

(01:35:45):
comes out. Ozzy got fucking bigger and never stopped right,
and every iteration of Ozzy was almost bigger than the
last in a lot of ways. I mean, these two
thousand outfit had ups and downs, but he still always
put out good songs from you know, I don't want
to stop to let me hear your Scream to the
stuff that was on the last two records, Patient nine

(01:36:06):
and Ordinary Man, and I was singing, is there another
guy in any genre? I mean, maybe Phil Collins comes
out of.

Speaker 3 (01:36:14):
Genesis, That's the one that I was gonna say.

Speaker 7 (01:36:16):
But Phil also kind of went down.

Speaker 1 (01:36:19):
Ozzie never went down until he got sick and COVID happened, right,
but like he still was headlining festivals in twenty seventeen.
I was at that. Yeah, you know, so okay, but
let's say Phil. I mean, then Phil's a different type
of thing, and you know Tina Turner and those types
of things. But for rock and roll, I can't think
and Robert Plant didn't do it. You didn't do it.

(01:36:41):
Roth didn't do it. Bruce Dickinson definitely didn't do it.
Fucking I mean, let's go through. Freddie Mercury didn't do it.

Speaker 6 (01:36:48):
No, I don't think you're going to come up with
an answer. I think we have the answer. Ozzie is
the king of that, no question about it.

Speaker 1 (01:36:58):
And think about like, okay, so Oi Sabbath Sabbath and
Ouzsie laught, Okay, great, Ozsie leaves and we get heaven
and Hell and we get fucking mob rules, which are great.
But then I'm like, I love Tony, he's a friend
of mine, but Tony's riffs weren't as good, and Geezer's
like whatever, it didn't matter, whatever the the points were,

(01:37:20):
Ozzie was better, Like when Roth left, Van Halen got
better because Eddie was the boss, and Eddie was and
when I say the boss, the fucking boss and playing
et cetera. You know, Ozzie was Ozzie Man, and it
didn't matter who he had with him. When when when
Dio lost Vivian it changed things. When Roth lost Via,
it changed things. When Ozzie lost Randy, it changed things.

(01:37:40):
And then he got Jake, and then he got Zach
and then fucking you know, he just never stopped for him.
And I think that just shows with his charisma. And
I'll say one last thing what Nick said earlier, maybe
like the Lars Ulric influence, where is he taking guitar
and writing songs. No, but he's saying play it like this,
try it like this, do it like that. And every
guy that played with him will tell you. I remember Jake,

(01:38:01):
even with the Bark at the Moon, Sool had come
up with this whole neo classical thing and Ozzie he
worked on it for weeks and Ozzie heard and went nod,
just be yourself and Jake played the first take of
what you hear on the record today. Wow, you know
that sort of ship so Ozzie was was something else.
We'll never have another Ossie ever, No, no.

Speaker 6 (01:38:22):
And just that that that hold the back to the
beginning event couldn't have gone better. And yeah, and the
other thing that struck me afterward was the reverence from
everybody who participated. They all posted something on social and

(01:38:42):
just the reverence just across the board. Was just the respect,
the gratitude, all all on the list of good things
there was. They nailed that and thank thankfully it was
able to do it before he passed away. You know

(01:39:02):
that he was able to participate.

Speaker 7 (01:39:05):
And man, it's still ausy.

Speaker 1 (01:39:09):
Maybe it's my algorithm, whatever, go to Instagram, it's still
that day and that week Ozzy Ozzy A and now
maybe one every every eight you know. And I'll say
this too, like two days after Ozzy passes away, hal
Cogan passes away, and hal Cogan was a huge name
in pro wrestling. Maybe the biggest maybe still is the

(01:39:32):
difference in reactions to his passing or night and day.
Obviously Hawks had a lot of controversy, but take that
out of the equation. Even Hawk as a pop culture icon,
which I would have thought was even to Ozzy, not
even close. Because Hawk's kind of gone away. Now people
still talking about Ozzy. It's unbelievable.

Speaker 4 (01:39:52):
Yeah that's true. All right, Well, hey look at this.

Speaker 1 (01:39:57):
Oh shit, I got a what wasn't for you?

Speaker 4 (01:40:01):
Paul Stanley needs to know if Shot in the Dark
is a rock and roll boner classic.

Speaker 3 (01:40:10):
Hmm. Must have Well he must have thought something of it,
because they ended up getting the same producer.

Speaker 1 (01:40:19):
Yeah, I got my answer me too.

Speaker 6 (01:40:26):
The last thing you just talked about, Jericho actually was
reminded me of how salty that I am about the
fact that Ozzie's death overshadowed my hip replacement surgery happened
in the same day. I felt like Eric Carr to
Freddie Mercury, It's like, damn, you know, I wanted more

(01:40:48):
attention paid to me, and Ozzie kicks it on the
day that I'm going in the night.

Speaker 1 (01:40:52):
If I imagine if you were Malcolm Jamal Warner, you
had no chance. Well yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:40:59):
At the last minute, they canceled the cover story that
was going to be Unrolling Stone about Chris's hip replacement.

Speaker 1 (01:41:07):
Yeah, and then it went to fucking Chuck Mangioni, and
then it went to the guy from gold Nearing, and
then it went to Malcolm Jamal Warner and then fucking
Ozzie and they were done.

Speaker 2 (01:41:17):
So that was it.

Speaker 1 (01:41:19):
Christmaher from the cover to a little blurb in the
other news section.

Speaker 6 (01:41:25):
Yeah, I'm still fucking.

Speaker 4 (01:41:29):
They took flowers out of Chris's hospital did they did
an a tribute to the hallway and.

Speaker 1 (01:41:35):
It really fucked up Christ's autobiography Diary of a hip Man.

Speaker 6 (01:41:39):
Yeah, tragically hip the Chris l story.

Speaker 1 (01:41:45):
The mystery.

Speaker 6 (01:41:47):
Yeah, now I know how Eric Carr felt.

Speaker 8 (01:41:52):
Its damn it, Freddy, why did you have to say
Barah Fawcett had one of those two.

Speaker 1 (01:41:56):
She passed away in the same day as somebody else.

Speaker 3 (01:42:01):
Jackson, Yeah it was Michael Jackson, pretty sure.

Speaker 1 (01:42:04):
Yeah, that's I mean, you can't I mean, Parah's top
of the top unless it's Michael Jackson.

Speaker 6 (01:42:10):
Yeah. Well, yes, Sarah, nobody's talking about Pharaoh and Jacko kicks.

Speaker 1 (01:42:15):
Yeah. Fuck I love Sarah.

Speaker 8 (01:42:17):
By the way, Wow, who didn't have those posters? I mean,
come on, that's the whole other show it is. We'll
do that after do the Marcus Mueller Beach party.

Speaker 4 (01:42:29):
Right, all right, right, all right, we got a vote.
How do you want to do it? What's the order?

Speaker 1 (01:42:37):
I'm ready, I'll go.

Speaker 3 (01:42:38):
I'll go first.

Speaker 1 (01:42:39):
You want to go counterclockwise?

Speaker 3 (01:42:41):
Sorry?

Speaker 1 (01:42:42):
Nick, Chris Andy, Chris going that way. Oh sorry, Nick, Jericho, Okay.

Speaker 6 (01:42:47):
Go get counterclockwise would be Nick, Chris l Cohones Jericho, Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:42:57):
Where's that cow bell there?

Speaker 6 (01:42:59):
It is rock and roll?

Speaker 4 (01:43:03):
Oh yeah, I don't think it's a very surprising conclusion.

(01:43:23):
I think everybody knew where we were going with that.
But well deserved of course.

Speaker 6 (01:43:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:43:30):
And it's.

Speaker 6 (01:43:33):
Like you said, Jericho, if we can do two Twisted
Sister episodes back to back, we can do on a
couple show episodes.

Speaker 1 (01:43:47):
Twisted Sister come out and play yeah album.

Speaker 6 (01:43:52):
Right Asie deserves it, deserves the accolades. You know.

Speaker 1 (01:43:59):
It's funny like kind of going back and like watching
a lot of Ozzy stuff, and of course when someone
passed away, everyone always goes, oh, that was my favorite guy.
It's my biggest influence. Well, Ozzy literally was and is
one of my biggest influences. If you ever heard a
Fozzy song, you can hear it in my voice. I
don't sing like that on purpose. I don't sing like
Ozzy at all, but there is some twinges of it.
But I've been going back and listening to Ozzie's catalog

(01:44:24):
over the last fuck three weeks, which I ever been
we always focus on the first six. We know them all,
the two Zach's, the two Jakes, the two Randy's. I've
been going into his twenty ten and twenty albums, Black Rain, Scream,
down to Earth, And when Ozzy was alive, those albums

(01:44:49):
came out, they didn't get much of a reaction. They
all went platinum. And there's a couple songs here and there,
you know, dreamers on down to Earth and Nicole. There
is some fucking great songs on all those albums. Like
he's one of those guys like even when he was
not good, quote unquote, he's still fucking better than ninety

(01:45:10):
percent of the band. And he's still always had one
or two killer songs on it and one or two
other ones that were good if you delve into them.
And I was just like, man, this guy never stopped,
Like he never ever stopped. And then he connected with
Andrew Watt for those last two records, and you know,
everyone's on it, fucking the Chad Smith and Zach and

(01:45:31):
Duff and Trehiro and Slash and Elton John and here's
just fucking Eric Clapton and Iomi's back and it's just
like everyone loved Ozzie, and he never waivered in his qualities.
Maybe some records are better than others, but there was
always something on every record or somebody.

Speaker 6 (01:45:49):
Sure absolutely.

Speaker 4 (01:45:52):
All right, Well if you disagree with us, weird, sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:45:58):
He is.

Speaker 4 (01:46:00):
Stamped it. It's official. Usually we go into yardo questions.
But if everybody's okay with it, I would like to
just wrap it up because I'm still feeling like shit.
Right now, go home and get in the shower or something,
but just go back on the floor. I might just
lay here, Chris, is that okay?

Speaker 6 (01:46:17):
That's fine. I'm gonna leave the room. But that's fine,
all right. You'd be more comfortable down in the media
room though, Okay, Yeah, whatever you gotta do, all right.
Appreciate you stepping.

Speaker 1 (01:46:31):
It up, man, Yeah for not jamming out.

Speaker 3 (01:46:35):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:46:35):
Those great people think that you're.

Speaker 6 (01:46:36):
Just sitting and running your mouth in front of a microphone,
which is mostly true, but you know, you do have
to summon up some energy to h Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:46:46):
I will say just too.

Speaker 7 (01:46:47):
I noticed this over the shows that I do, et cetera.

Speaker 1 (01:46:50):
And Andy does a great job of running the show
and keeping the flow going, and it's not easy to do.

Speaker 4 (01:46:56):
So no, yeah, thank you for noticing the guy appreciate it.

Speaker 6 (01:47:00):
We can't. We don't function without him, which is he.

Speaker 1 (01:47:03):
Always makes the point of like, all right, let's continue.

Speaker 6 (01:47:05):
I hate to say that out loud. It's like you
actually you actually say to your drummer, you're the most
important guy in the band. You really don't need to
articulate that.

Speaker 1 (01:47:17):
Andy's definitely the drummer of bottle.

Speaker 4 (01:47:19):
Here is all right? That sounds good.

Speaker 6 (01:47:22):
Oh and by the way, Jericho, this was your forty
seventh appearance on Power, so we're closing in on your
gala fiftieth appearance.

Speaker 1 (01:47:32):
Well, I've been off most of the summer, so I
have a couple more Thursdays coming up, so keep an
eye on those. And Nick and I have one for
the next time, or Nick has one that he pointed out,
which I've been sitting on it for a while and
I want to hear the the panels thoughts on it.
But we are always a pleasure and thanks Andy go.
You look very tan though, even though you're sick.

Speaker 4 (01:47:52):
I think it's just yellow, like jaundice or something. I
don't know what's Shawn had all kinds of problems I
do look to I think I'm unwell all right, well,
thank you for joining us, Thank you Nick. All right,
we'll be back next time. Thanks guys, Potatoes.

Speaker 6 (01:48:13):
Miss potatoes potatoff guys all alright