626 w/ Chris Jericho and PJ Farley - Ace Frehley - Outer Space

626 w/ Chris Jericho and PJ Farley - Ace Frehley - Outer Space: Chris, Nick, and Andy are joined by friends Chris Jericho and PJ Farley to pay tribute to Ace Frehley and break down "Outer Space" from his 2009 album Anomaly. 

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, the.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
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(00:48):
America's little brother as always, joined by that man over there.
His name is Nick. But it doesn't look like he's
going to dance today. Let's see what's going on. I'm
not sure I see. Yeah, very symbolic.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Is that a Jewish thing or something? Or what was
that all about?

Speaker 3 (01:19):
What was that?

Speaker 4 (01:19):
Nick?

Speaker 2 (01:20):
Every thing?

Speaker 4 (01:21):
Well, you took a knee. It's a solemn day today.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
Nick's guy is Ace costume on his Ace Halloween costume.
He took the mask off, put it down and took
a knee.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
That's great. Yeah, And that's an Ace costume from like
nineteen twelve, ninety two or son.

Speaker 5 (01:37):
This is a recreation and the last time I wore
it was at Jericho Fest.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
I believe I.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
Remember it, well, Nick hand painted that. Look at that,
doesn't it look real?

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Oh? Wow? That is good you had, did you really?

Speaker 3 (01:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:54):
It was.

Speaker 5 (01:55):
I found a good picture of it and then taped
it on here and cut it like a pencil and
kind of so it's it's not hand painted by not
like by eye or anything.

Speaker 6 (02:06):
But he should have sent that with the dainties.

Speaker 5 (02:12):
I think you complimented me on it when I first
met you, So thank you for the.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
Compt you said. Don't talk to me and don't look
at me as I would.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
Two nicks immediate left. You own them. We got him?

Speaker 7 (02:31):
God?

Speaker 2 (02:32):
Can hen.

Speaker 7 (02:35):
Every day? Can he.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
Get out of the way?

Speaker 3 (02:44):
Yeah, you put your hands together for the breakout star
of the podcast Medium. Chris l is in the house. Chris,
what's happening here? He's here?

Speaker 4 (02:54):
Been kicked out yet that's good news. It's a week
to week thing. Day to day.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
Actually, because when you're kicked out, weird kick.

Speaker 4 (03:02):
Yeah, it'd be tough for you guys to get in
here if I was booted out. So you can assume
the locks we changed and oh my shit, it'll be
out on the lawn.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
So all right, well you heard the other voices, but
let's formally introduce our friends. Chris Jericho's here.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
Nice. It's it's hard for us to hear the jingles,
maybe because we don't have Maybe that sounds weird. I
like you doing a little bit of a retro theme today,
and obviously we know the reason why. But yeah, I
got to tuge. Yeah, always a good.

Speaker 4 (03:42):
One to classic.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
And your favorites, everybody's favorite. He's back, ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 4 (03:50):
PJ.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
Farley, Barley.

Speaker 8 (03:58):
Stepping on to the Yes. No, it's I can't hear
what song was it?

Speaker 4 (04:16):
It's Naked City. That's the big jingle, right, that's the
big A little bit, a little bit, it's the biggest.
Flex and podcasting have a personal theme song based on
Naked City. I mean, it doesn't get any better than that,
you know, if you know?

Speaker 2 (04:34):
You know?

Speaker 4 (04:34):
Yeah, right, Bob Culick.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
They cast are still going to come to my story
asses that's.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
Still coming to prove it somewhere.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
I think you guys found it. Did you find it?

Speaker 3 (04:47):
Oh yeah, we found it.

Speaker 5 (04:49):
We sent it a while back.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
Yeah, well keep it?

Speaker 6 (04:51):
Did you can? You can you reas send it again for.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
The keeps because I'll probably be asking till until there's
one of us left.

Speaker 6 (05:01):
We're going to print it out and glaze it onto
a plate.

Speaker 4 (05:05):
Our nickel Yes stencil went onto another shirt.

Speaker 6 (05:08):
So another garbage peg Yeah.

Speaker 4 (05:12):
Nickel nixt Halloween costume is the peppy Castro Summons.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
Oh my gosh, the creativity.

Speaker 4 (05:24):
Yeah, that's how the magic happens right here.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
Oh that's great, that's good.

Speaker 3 (05:31):
So we know why we're all here. We lost Ace today,
and uh, as we know you know this. This was
a Kiss podcast for five and a half years. So
I'm assuming the majority of our listeners and everybody who's
ever been on, including everybody on right now, Ace is
a huge part of their life. And uh, you know, can.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
I just say something to jump right in here? Like
I said this earlier off air, but in a world
where everybody's a legend, every Tom Dick and Kardashian is like, oh,
let's status, this is a fucking true legend. And let
me just put it this way too, there's a whole
contingent of people on this planet, in the hundreds of millions,

(06:12):
that are really affected by this because this is the
first the original four Yeah Yeah Kiss members to pass away,
and that is hard to digest for all of us,
I think, but even more so when you think like,
oh my gosh, like a Charlie friend of the show,
not Charlie Perra, but Charlie Binanti was like, I'm not

(06:33):
ready for an original four to pass away, and I
don't think any of us really are.

Speaker 5 (06:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (06:38):
No, And that was something when we were in the
kiss portion of the podcast. That was always something in
the back of my mind. It's like, what happens if
one of the what do we do if one of
the original passes away? You know? And it never happened
during that part of it, but you know, here we are.
You know, the news started coming through and it's just

(06:58):
takes a wind, you know. And and to your point earlier,
you're talking about the word legend, Well, the word in
the modern day that that gets tossed around is influencer.
Well you want to talk about somebody who it literally
influenced millions upon millions of generations of.

Speaker 6 (07:18):
Well, he was the influencer of the term rock star.
Like my post today was, when you think of a
rock star and you know that guitar player rock star,
you're thinking of exactly as you think Keith Richards, you know,
Joe Perry Slash aast Freely. I mean, that's the quintessential

(07:42):
rock star and the biggest fan in the world. A character,
literally a character and just a reckless you know, beautiful
you know, and it's just epitomized rock star.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
We were talking about this, all of us have been
talking about this all day. But I and I'm you
can throw in as many names as you want, and
I'm not going to argue with you, because everyone's different.
But to me, I can't think of anybody else with
it besides these three that have influenced more guitar players,
Jimmy Hendricks, Edward Van Hale and Ace Fairley. Well, what

(08:23):
about Slash or what about this guy? No, I have
never met an original. I never I love Slash, great player,
great friend, but I've never met anyone that you know,
I got into guitar playing because of Slash. I'm sure
they're out there, But there are countless, countless, countless, countless,
countless guys who've said Ace Fairley was the reason why

(08:44):
I picked up a guitar all genres, Yes, you can't.
You can't. No one in this thing, like, I'm sure
they're out there, not to mean anybody else, but you
know the amount of kids who go Sinister Gates is
the one who made me play guitar. They're out there.
But Ace Frehley to this day, fucking millions, Yeah, and millions.

(09:05):
The guys that are dine bag Darryl had fucking Ace
Frehley tattoo on his chest.

Speaker 4 (09:11):
Yeah, absolutely, and he passed.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
Away twenty years ago.

Speaker 4 (09:13):
You know what I mean, right, yeah, just it just
influenced generations people, which you know, you can't you can't
even quantify it with words, just to you know this.
It's a sad day today, it's a gut punch.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
So I don't want to dominate here, but I just
had a lot to say because I've been reading about
this whole day. I was on a plane flying here
to Lexington from Lass five hours of reading about it.
But let me just read what Steve II said about
Ace Frehley and be like, you can't think of two
polar opposite players.

Speaker 9 (09:49):
Yeah, yeah, and the technical ecstasy if I can be
so bold of Steve, and the sloppiness rock star of Ace.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
But let's see what Steve said. He said Ace was
the embodiment of rock and roll attitude, unapologetic, loud, irresistibly catchy.
His riffs had swagger, his tone had bite, His present
lit up stages like a supernoman. During my teenage years,
his playing inspired me not because it was polished, but
because it was gloriously unfiltered and full of life. Ace

(10:23):
reminded us that rock should never apologize for being fun,
and that a little chaos can sound down right heavenly nice,
getting pumps man, That's the truth. That's I feel that
when Steve Vie joined the Daily Roth band he probably thought, like, Okay,

(10:46):
you need a little sloppiness here too. What would he's
freely do you know? And it's just that was Ace.
That was Ace in a nutshell, the most influential performer
from the seventies for so many people because of his sloppiness,
because like pjac's fucking rock star man.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
Yeah, no question, Yeah, not to make it such a bummer,
but I was just thinking earlier today, like if there
were a handful of tent poles that were the influences, yes, people,
we loved, we lost Ozzy, we lost aceh in a
very short time, those would be two of the guys
who influenced among the most of anybody.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
One more thing, I wanted to say that, I had
to say, and I'll step out because I don't want
to dominate. But we're here. Within the last two months, well,
once again legend goat thrown out, you know, almost like
problem right, Yes, here we are. Though in the last

(11:44):
July August three months, we lost three guys who could
legitimately you could argue for them being the greatest of
all time at their chosen fields, Ozzie Haul Cogan, Ace Frehley.
This reminds me of five years ago, almost to the day,
where within the same two month period we lost another

(12:06):
three guys that you could literally argue with the greatest
in their fields, Edward van Halen, Neil Pierret and Kobe Bryant. Wow,
stop at the universe, like leave us alone?

Speaker 4 (12:17):
Yeah, yeah, it's a bit much to take in a
short freeze.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yeah, and not just three three of the all time
great If someone said to me Kobe Bryant is the
greatest basketball player, like it's cool Edward van hen cool
yep or cool ah Kobin cool Aussie Ace, I can't
argue with any of it.

Speaker 3 (12:36):
None of those you would have a problem with. It
might not be your personal choice, but they're all they're
on the conversation.

Speaker 4 (12:41):
Case could easily be made for any.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
And we kind of, you know, made fun of Ace
recently sloppy and doesn't practice or whatever. It doesn't fucking matter.
He he fucking changed the work card, like he's already
got the status. If he got a little sloppier in
his later.

Speaker 6 (13:01):
Years, all right, he could play for thirty minutes straight
and it could all be garbage. But if he is
that one note, you go there it is.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
I posted a picture today of and I can tell
the story when you guys want to hear it of myself,
Ace and Vinnie Paul. And it's always weird when you
find pictures multiple friends and you're the only one left.
But I was like, what solo should I put on here?
Like should I put on you know she from Alive?
Or should I put on you know, shock me. I

(13:36):
I'm gonna put on ten thousand Bolts, his last record
and his solo on that. Like PG just said, he's
got his bag of tricks, but it's the fucking greatest
bag of tricks race really, and that.

Speaker 6 (13:49):
That solo in particular is literally all of the tricks everyone. Yes,
it's like his highlight real solo. Yeah, and why not
just to know that that's me behind it is?

Speaker 3 (14:04):
How cool?

Speaker 2 (14:06):
Right? I forgot about that. Yeah, obviously Steve produced, Steve
Brown produced it. But I was just like this, you know,
even in twenty twenty three or twenty twenty four, whatever,
it was a still like you said, PJ. He had
his bag of trick tricks. And every guitar player does,
every singer does, every drummer does, every bass player does.
And as long as you stay within that bag of tricks,
if their original and they're influential, you can fucking do

(14:29):
that till the cows come home.

Speaker 4 (14:30):
I don't give a fuck, right, because people want it,
they gravitate towards it. Yeah, So why wouldn't you, Why
wouldn't you pull it out?

Speaker 2 (14:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (14:41):
Yeah, what's your You can tell the story now about
Vinnie and Ace?

Speaker 2 (14:45):
So okay, So we were on tour with Fozzy and
we had to show at Dallas and the Trees Lounge.
I'm sure Pj's played there before. If it even exists still,
I don't know. But and Vinnie's another guy, just the
fucking true, an old, great guy. Anytime I'm in Dallas
to Vegas, if I was in Vegas. Vinnie would fly

(15:06):
there if I'm in Dallas. He had houses in both.
And it's like, hey man, Mace Frehley playing and Freeze line,
you guys playing tomorrow won't to barbecue. Let's go. So
we go. And it's fucking great because we go upstairs
of this room. And I had met Ace a few times,
but I wasn't like Vinnie Paul Lovell as friend and
Aces sitting there and you have to go upstairs. If

(15:27):
you've been to the Trees, PJ, do you recall, Yeah,
the dress room is upstairs. It's a weird dressing room.
It's gonna walk up there. He has literally, I don't know,
one hundred and fifty vehicles. They're all upstairs, like in
the balcony, and they're all lined up waiting right in
Aces in his dressing room. And Vinnie comes in there

(15:48):
and and and what's John's name? John Ostrowsky, Yeah, that's
Ace's right hand man. And he's like, and John said, oh, Chris,
command vinieman, Ace, this is Chris Jericho. You just did
his podcast, and and Aces like podcast, what is that?

(16:09):
It's twenty fourteen, dude or not a nude thing. It's
like He's like, yeah, you really liked Remember you told
me that you really liked talking to Chris. He's like, no,
how you doing, No, you're right here, Like I would
be like, oh.

Speaker 3 (16:26):
Yeah, even if you didn't, you would say oh yeah,
urt would this guy?

Speaker 2 (16:32):
And then and then and then then he's up there,
and then John John is like, hey, Ace, we got
like one hundred and fifty VIPs and they're waiting. It's
twenty minutes, Like yeah, I'll get to it. I'm really
enjoying my.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
Bagel, enjoying it. It's the simple things in life, I guess.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
So it is our meeting his bagel now, while meanwhile,
as the time of the VIP is here, the longer
he enjoys his bagel, it goes. Now the show that's
supposed to start at nine is starting at ten thirty,
and I'm like, fuck, dude, like it's a Tuesday night
or whatever like people. And then John was like, Ace,

(17:15):
it's a great house tonight, like we're pretty much sold out.
And he's like matter, I'm gonna fucking talk to the promoter.
You know, he's gonna try and rip us off, make
sure we get up a percentage. I'm not playing to
talk to the water. And John's like, Ace, you haven't
even done the VIP yet. By the time you finish
your bagel and do the VIP, we'll get to the thing.
He's like, Okay, it's a really good bagel. Though you

(17:38):
like bagels, Vinny like just and PJ will tell you
Ace kind of live in his own little world, whether
there's a bagel and now there's a VIP and now
there's a good house. So I want more money. But
let's go back to the bagel. Am I right?

Speaker 6 (17:51):
Cash and bagels?

Speaker 2 (17:53):
Yeah, Now tell your story from Rubik's PJ.

Speaker 6 (17:58):
Oh Well, his deal is, so my my eighties tribute
band that I do in New York. We have we
long story short, we do a private party for this
couple every year. We was bringing like a celebrity guest.
So this year, one year, two years ago, we brought
an Ace and where the band and the special guest

(18:20):
comes up and we do a set of their music.
So the deal was that Ace needed X amount of
dollars in cash in you know what, and I just
shared this photo let me see if I can, I'll
share it. And he needed it in a briefcase and

(18:44):
let me see if you can.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
He literally got a briefcase of cash.

Speaker 6 (18:54):
It's literally a briefca what's that?

Speaker 2 (18:59):
I'm how many songs, PJ.

Speaker 6 (19:03):
Seven?

Speaker 2 (19:05):
And that's a briefcase full of cash?

Speaker 5 (19:06):
Was that on stage that he was put that? He
was showing the briefcase.

Speaker 6 (19:10):
That was in the dressing room.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
So did he supply the briefcase or did he say
I need it? So every town he gets a briefcase.

Speaker 6 (19:20):
He's got He's got a fucking a storage uniful of Halliburton.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
Wow, So you think that was a common demand of
his briefcase full of cash?

Speaker 6 (19:33):
We asked for it, so we got it.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
I'm just scared.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
I didn't realize so funny that wasn't until Andy his
newscasts was that a common demand.

Speaker 3 (19:43):
I'm just I'm just like, like what PJ said, I'm
imagining at the end of a toy he's got like
forty five briefcases.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
Ry in his front yard. You know what he does
with it?

Speaker 6 (19:56):
He does what he probably did, like somebody, if somebody
saw it, he dumped the fucking cash and his guitar
case and through the briefcase on the streets.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
Yeah. Probably, let's get out of here.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
Here, here's here's another great thing too, and and and
just kind of piggybacking, like what a fucking rock and
roll character? Right, Like, were we all love kiss? Obviously
the three guys up there did a whole five hundred
episode podcast or whatever it was. And Paul and Jean
are like dad and mom and Ace is like the

(20:31):
fucking asshole kid. And if your dad and mom, you're like,
fuck this guy.

Speaker 4 (20:36):
Yeah, you're kind of.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
On the outlier of this, Like what a character Ace
freely was? Like, I just was watching the Tom Snyder.

Speaker 4 (20:46):
Is Yeah, that one of the one of the most
incredible ten minutes of television.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Chris, why don't you describe it a little bit?

Speaker 4 (20:55):
Well, they're on there during the Dynasty, you know, eram
voting the album and the tour and just you know,
Ace just completely unhinged, going back and forth with Tom Snyder.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
And Carson at the time he had, Yeah, the Tomorrow Show.

Speaker 4 (21:18):
It was he he was he was the modern you
know that back in the day. He was the guy
who came on after the Tonight Show, which is is
a common thing now, but the only network that did
it was NBC. And you know, you can tell the
best part for me of that whole sequence is just
when they cut over to Paul and Jean and Jeane

(21:41):
is like ready to fucking explode on somebody. Paul doesn't
know what to do. He's trying to play along and
Just is in over his head, and and and uh,
Ace and Tom Snyder going back and forth, and you know,
we got Andy and pj of both and stand up.

(22:02):
The comedic timing of Ace freely going back and forth
is fucking.

Speaker 6 (22:07):
Look, it was a perfect uh, like the buzz kicked
in perfectly.

Speaker 4 (22:13):
Yeah, it was right there and.

Speaker 6 (22:16):
He was just feeling it.

Speaker 4 (22:17):
Yeah, he was perfectly.

Speaker 6 (22:19):
It's what they call perfectly tuned.

Speaker 4 (22:21):
Up, Yeah, which is hard to achieve.

Speaker 6 (22:23):
Ready for his close up.

Speaker 4 (22:24):
Which is not easy to achieve. And that's also a
small window because that can get away from you. And
it is to that he maintained it for that perfect.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
Fucking so funny. You could tell Tom Snyder was not
a kiss fan per se. Yeah, but he was like, oh,
this guy is good TV. Yeah, and Andie give me
a close up right now. This is what Paul and
Jean do when they realized that he.

Speaker 5 (22:55):
Well Jean, Jean had no Jeane made no attempt.

Speaker 6 (22:59):
Gene went this, Yeah, that animated Jane was clearly just yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
Paul was trying to be.

Speaker 3 (23:07):
Like, hey, right, let's move it along. Yeah, And I was.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
Like, that's fucking so great, because listen, I own my band,
you know, And if PJ went off on a tangent
and was making great TV to promote our band in
this day and age, I would love it. In seventy nine,
when you can tell the assholes were puckered like this, Yeah,
Jean and Paul were just like.

Speaker 6 (23:33):
Jeane was literally clenching his teeth.

Speaker 4 (23:36):
Oh yeah, squirming in a seat, making snide comments, and
Tom Snyder ignored every single one, right, and he yeah,
you're right, Nick.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
Tom Snyder he had realized that the guy on this
fucking diast, that's the one that's going to keep you wondered,
is that guy? Yeah, he's stiff, right, it's.

Speaker 4 (23:56):
Out and it's Tom's show and he's gonna run it,
and Gene is it's it's occurring to Gene in real
time that I am not in charge here? What do
I do?

Speaker 6 (24:06):
He's realizing this isn't going.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
How I exactly, and there's nothing I can do to
stop it.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
Deep down inside this fucking guy's stealing the show, which
is okay, but that's not what we want. That's not
the plan.

Speaker 3 (24:19):
That we discussed, right because I'm a.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
Cooint get billet point on the line.

Speaker 3 (24:24):
Yeah, I know. In those types of shows, they usually
do a pre interview and you hit all your bullet
points of what you want to cover and promote and
what little cute little stories you're gonna tell, and it
seems like that all got thrown out. So Geene and
Paul are probably thinking, like, we got to get back
to the things we want, Like we were putting out
these couple like our uh whatever, our images that we
want to push. We're gonna, you know, use these sound

(24:45):
bites and you know they're always real snappy with what
they you know, how Gene is and interviews and everything.
Didn't get to do any of that. It was just
just gonna improv with Ace and skip over everything on
the car. No, it wasn't. No, but yeah, if you
haven't seen it, pull it up on YouTube. You'll enjoy yourself.

Speaker 5 (25:03):
It's amazing.

Speaker 7 (25:04):
It is great.

Speaker 4 (25:05):
I'd be shocked.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
It is one of the greatest moments in rocker romans.

Speaker 4 (25:09):
And TV history too. I'm not even joking, and you
have to.

Speaker 5 (25:14):
Give credit to whomever signs off on everything in the
Kiss Machine organization. It was on what was it Kissology too,
So they did own up. They owned it to a
certain extent.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
They can know what's up.

Speaker 3 (25:31):
Yeah sorry, Nick. David mckein said, they were saying, don't
do it. As Ace mentioned German toy helicopters, and they
knew absolute was coming.

Speaker 6 (25:41):
Good thing you didn't have the outfit.

Speaker 4 (25:43):
On yeah, no ship, amazing stuff.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
So they did, like you and you hear these rock
and little heroes, you know, the Keith Moons and and
you know, Zach has told me so many stories about Ozzy,
like you get the fucking true through nutters, as they
say in England, like the true fucking guys that just went.
And I think we've all well, the guys in the

(26:08):
bottom half in there where it's like like I remember
one time, like I'm gonna throw a TV out the
window and my friend who was he goes, you can't
do this, and why not because you can't fucking throw
a TV at and he said they'll never know who
through the TV out the window And he goes, well, motherfucker,
when they come in your room in the morning. There's

(26:29):
no TV in your fucking dresser. They're gonna know you
threw it out the window. And I was like, wow,
that's pretty smart.

Speaker 3 (26:36):
Didn't occur to you.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
Yeah, but but the the stories of the guys in
the seventies that would do all this stuff, and Ace
is one of them, Like, yeah, we heard he nailed
the furniture to the ceiling, and whether that's true or not, like,
never let the truth get in the way of a
good story. Yeah, I just heard tonight. Let me give

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you another one from a very famous rock and roll
drummer whose brother is not with us anymore, one of
the greatest, possibly the greatest brother combinations in rock and
roll whatever. He sends me a text the rip as
he was a good man. My brother and Ace are

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bullshitting backstage at the Meadowlands after our show. We both
turn away. A crack breaks the silence. We turned back
to finish conversation. No, Ace look down out cold on
the concrete floor. Then got into his nine to twenty
eight with nothing else, because that's rockstar talker is the
nine twenties at a port.

Speaker 4 (27:44):
I think, Yeah, thanks.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
Got into his nine twenty eight and drove home on
the wrong side of the turnpike at top that. Wow,
that's what one of the craziest rock and roll bands ever.
And that wasn't the night he crashed it.

Speaker 4 (28:01):
Right now, just to me that he.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
Fucking passed up and drove his car. He's nine to
twenty eight. I'm not up privy to rockstar car talk,
but this is like, this guy was just one of
those fucking guys that like, maybe should not have lasted
as long as he did, but he did. And I
love the fact that Ace was flying the flag for
Kiss a year and a half, two years after they

(28:27):
had done their final show, and was still out there
playing his tunes. And when you went, you knew what
you're gonna get. And I would have gone. If Ace
came to fucking my town, I would be there.

Speaker 4 (28:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
We got one of our friends in the chat, Charles
Russick said, literally saw Ace performing in my town about
six weeks ago. Guy was tearing it up. Sounded amazing, thanks, Charles.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
Good point. So so I'm bummed, not only because we
lost Ace obviously for the biggest reason, but now we
almost lost Hiss because Paul and Jean. You know, I
saw Geenane last week at Charlie's wedding. Greatest guy in
the world. It's so fine, but he's like, yeah, you
know what, but we sold it for that. We're doing
a kiss world. I'm gonna do this through the million
blah blah. Ace was a guy who's still out on

(29:10):
the streets, you know, in the night, no pun intended
for a living, playing the songs, you know, And and
it just fucking sucks.

Speaker 9 (29:20):
Man.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
It's it's the worst thing about as we as we
get older, we still all think of ourselves as eighteen.
It'll be still like twenty one. But when the guys
start leaving us, Like I'm reading Ozzie's book right now.
He finished it two weeks before he died. Wow, you know,
and it's fucking great and it's ozsy and it's funny,

(29:41):
Like this is so great, it's so funny. Oh shit,
he's dead.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
Fuck right.

Speaker 4 (29:44):
Yeah, it's just it sucks. It sucks, right, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
I hate to be such a bummer. But that's another
thing I was thinking about, like America's little bummer, America's
little bummer today. I feel like we've had this conversation
with us in our hangouts before, but like, oh, you know,
pretty soon all these legends are going to start leaving,
and it's like that's now, you know, that's that's this year.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
You never you never think that, Like, you know, we're
going to go to see McCartney next month, and it's like, well, fuck, well,
I don't know if I can make it this time.
I'm like, yeah, you better hold on, guys, like you better.

Speaker 6 (30:23):
Make uh yeah, you should make it.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
Yeah, if you want to do it, you better do it.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
Stones are during Europe next year. World is not America.
I mean, well I should probably take a flight there
because you know, Gene almost died in the car crash,
had nothing to do with age. Paul just said that.
You know, he's a manner good divide, you know, you
know this is y.

Speaker 3 (30:44):
Did he say that it's a miracle he survived. That's
really I didn't say.

Speaker 5 (30:49):
Okay, they haven't.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
I haven't run the same clothes he wears every fucking time,
change of clothes.

Speaker 3 (30:57):
Is it a leopard shirt?

Speaker 2 (30:59):
No, it's a fucking sleeveless sleeveless.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
Like workout shirt.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
Yeah, yeah, like you know gym pants.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
Yeah, like his bike riding outfit or whatever.

Speaker 5 (31:10):
That's what I saw him when he was a real helmet.
He was wearing that in two thousand and three when
I saw him in Chicago walking down the street.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Really yeah, PG, what are you drinking there? Man? I
know as you're drinking.

Speaker 6 (31:22):
It's eighty proof water.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (31:26):
Is there a piece of fruit in there?

Speaker 3 (31:29):
It's not something green in there?

Speaker 2 (31:31):
Like I always point being a fairly fuck man, like, ah,
this is hard.

Speaker 4 (31:37):
Yeah, it's a sad day.

Speaker 6 (31:39):
Tough one, guys, it's a tough one.

Speaker 4 (31:41):
It's the same. I feel the same today as I
felt when the news came down that ed Evan Haleen died.
It's just like a fucking gut punch. You know, it's
like you're how many how many hours as a kid
all the way up through an adult have you spent
appreciating what this guy is done and and and it

(32:02):
inspired you to do to approach doing what he did.
I mean, you guys have attained it. But I mean,
you know, it's uh.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
Chris, you know there's still certain guys and Pja you
actually got to play with him, which is great, but
there's still certain guys like with Vinnie Paul, like fucking
Vinnie Paul, Like what a guy like a legendary influential guy.
And I remember at Tree's lounge, both of us standing
there after Ace left to go shopping with his wife
before the show.

Speaker 3 (32:37):
He still didn't hit the vi P. He's to go
shopping shop.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
I went to the toy store today and just going like, dude,
we just fuckings fairly. Yeah, what cheers man? Like, there's
certain guys you meet where it's like, dude, that's the
fucking space Ace. And I'll say one more thing before
I don't know, I don't even know. We're doing a
song tonight where we're not doing whatever. I think. I

(33:01):
think Eddie Trunk would be okay with me saying this,
just seeing him at Charlie's wedding just a few days ago.
And obviously Eddie was the guy who kind of found
Ace in eighty six and signed into Mega Force Records
with Johnny's Zula and Marcia. God bless them great people.
And he said, like Ace would actually be cackling at this.

(33:28):
Ace did fall. We don't need to get any details.
He had a terrible fall, which led to his issues.
He goes the guy who always claimed he was from
another planet that didn't understand the concept of gravity, passed
away as a result of falling. He goes, I think
Ace would be laughing at this, and I'm like, you

(33:51):
know what holds it down?

Speaker 4 (33:56):
Just irony? Irony?

Speaker 2 (33:59):
But yeah, like fuck, he's from Jendell. Hey, I don't
know anything about gravity. Finally, it finally took its tall.
I had to talk to Jericho's ed with Ace and
I want to do one as a tribute. So I
listened to the most recent one with Steve Brown from

(34:20):
last year, which was great, but there was another one
from twenty fourteen, over ten years ago. Yeah, and I
was like, I don't remember being all that great, and
my produced like it's great. I just listened today. It's
fucking hilarious, hilarious. It's Acey podcast.

Speaker 7 (34:41):
What's bad?

Speaker 2 (34:42):
No idea, what's going on? But fuck you know, and
brilliant musician stuff, which Chris l will appreciate this, all
you guys will. He was talking about how he would
always add acoustic rhythm tracks behind all those tunes on
Hotter than Hell and Dressed to Kill and the first
record he might have stopped on Destroyer because Esthern came

(35:06):
in be said, I used to add acoustic tracks to
fill up sound. That's what Pete Townshend used to do. Yeah,
big Pete Townsend fan. And you're like, you never thought
about the musician and the genius side of Ace because
it was all about the Tom Snyder Show and all
this other stuff. But he did a lot of stuff
in the early days to make the sound bigger because

(35:30):
he had listened to his heroes. And I was like, fuck, dude,
like I don't know if I said, we're airing this one,
like that's the one.

Speaker 4 (35:37):
The older one, Okay, Yeah, and it's you know, and yes,
you get swept up in the persona and the the
idiocy and the mayhem and the all that stuff. But yeah,
as anybody, you'll tell you that. And it's not just
the solos, but the solos, the thing about them, the

(36:00):
composition of his solos, that's that's a that's a musician.
It's a musician's mind putting that shit together. He's he's
not just he's not just you know, shredding for the
sake of treading. Those All those solos are just so
well composed and happy. Yeah. Yeah, just that flare, that

(36:21):
personality and the swagger. It's just it's it's all, it's
all there, and it just is immediately apparent to anybody
who's paying attention. Confidence and taste, yeah, and and personality.
Nobody played leads like that, and they still haven't. It's

(36:42):
just you know, and.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
You know what else I really admire and respect about
Ace is fuck man. Like I don't even want to
say it, but he didn't. He didn't suckle the teat
of Paul and Jean. He's like, the fuck your because
even now recently, like you're gonna be at kiss Landlock

(37:05):
and Veg. He's like, dude, I'm not fucking gonna be there.
Fuck those guys whatever, blah blah. I don't want to
get into the workings of the band. But he was
his own guy that did not cow tew to Paul
and Jean, the King and Queen whatever. He was like, no,
we're not doing this. I'm not doing it well.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
Like, you guys know a lot better than the king
and who's the queen?

Speaker 2 (37:28):
Yeah, stay, she'll tell you. He said it. He said
it in his book, fucking wrote in his book.

Speaker 3 (37:38):
You guys would probably have a lot more insight to this,
you know, being that you have met these guys and
talked to them so many times personally. But just from
reading and listening whatever. It seemed like when they started Kiss,
Ace was kind of ahead of those guys even though
you know they were like the songwriters or whatever and
putting the band together. But he was like the hot
shot guy who was more music gifted than they were.

(38:01):
And I feel like and he was cooler, Like he
was more comfortable early on with like the rock star
thing when Paul and Jean were figuring out what they
were doing. So maybe that's just the attitude that he
kept the whole time towards those guys, like I'm cooler
than you are, Like what are you talking about? Don't
tell me what to do.

Speaker 6 (38:18):
It was more he was more naturally cool. Yeah, he
was just a natural rock star where you know, nobody's
gonna argue that Gene Simmons and Pulse only aren't rock.

Speaker 4 (38:30):
Stars, but.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
Different.

Speaker 6 (38:34):
I feel that, not like the traditional rock star that
Ace freely is.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
I's just added to that. I feel like, like Charlie
Fromanthrox had a great quote about ten years ago, like
we we love the Beatles and obviously it's the four guys,
and the only other band in history that's like the
Beatles is Kiss. Say what you want to four guys

(39:00):
all sang, they all wrote, They all had personas the characters.
You knew every member of the Beatles, and you knew
every member of Kiss. And Charlie said one time, like
we're talking with George Harrison and he's like, you know,
like if we went to a if we went to
a party that was held by the Beatles and we
walked in, we would go, where's Georgia That he's in

(39:26):
the basement, like John's got He's that's Kiss, Like where's asat?
Like Oss like on the roof, he's in the attic? Yeah,
like he like there's no like you want to be
here with the five star buffets here and the you know,
the Don Peron is there aces upstairs? The fucking rats

(39:49):
and the you know, Carkole and Ship like that's what
he's with, Dean the Parrot. Yeah, but I just feel
like Ace had that cool factor that Paul and Jean
maybe we're always searching for him. I don't know.

Speaker 6 (40:09):
He was the quintessential rock star that's.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
Well yeah, yeah, and it's essential outcast that shout up
with a green snaker on a right right story, right,
So yeah.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
He would have been himself regardless of whatever what happened
in his life, he would have been himself.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
And he never stopped doing that. He never he never
fucking accepted the the crown, like obviously during the reunion
in ninety six he got in shape and the ship
when it came down to the wire where it was done,
He's like, I'm not coming back for MSG, I'm not
coming back for landlocked in Vegas. I don't give a
fuck about any of this ship. I'm done, yeah, or

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most people.

Speaker 6 (40:47):
None unless it was a briefcase.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
Involved, right exactly, But there never was, right, so he
was like, fun.

Speaker 4 (40:54):
No, he didn't get there. He never got the briefcases
from Paul.

Speaker 5 (40:58):
And Jean nice everything, bagel on top of it, exactly.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
Yeah, I'm just enjoying my bagel.

Speaker 4 (41:07):
The only briefcase he ever got from those two is
when he signed away the rights to his persona.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
That was it, although he told me and I wouldn't
do that, he said, he leased it to them.

Speaker 4 (41:19):
Well least I.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
Still get checks quarterly. You can hear him saying on
Takers Jericho, which were released at some point, all right,
are we doing the songs?

Speaker 8 (41:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (41:31):
What was the plan? I don't even know.

Speaker 3 (41:33):
If Nick's got plans.

Speaker 5 (41:34):
I've got a song that we can do.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
Nick has Nick has a song, but Nick has something
else over there. Well, I heard something rustling about on
the couch.

Speaker 5 (41:43):
Sorry, it's I couldn't get it shipped out unfortunately.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
The last decision.

Speaker 3 (41:49):
Yeah, but yeah, did you say double Pope stuff?

Speaker 2 (41:56):
Said the off I said, no Pope stuff.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
Very polarizing.

Speaker 5 (42:03):
Andy, We are you hungry? Andy?

Speaker 3 (42:04):
I am good? That's good? All right? Is it baked?

Speaker 5 (42:08):
It looks big, definitely baked.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
So what are the odds?

Speaker 4 (42:26):
Nice?

Speaker 5 (42:26):
So what we have here is a is well, I
guess we'll just say it's a classic. It's it's something
that we've all had. So Canadian Thanksgiving just happened this
past Monday, and in honor we have our Canadian butter
tarts and uh in uh. You know, we're sad, you know,

(42:54):
lots of different emotions going on, but I think it
makes sense that we'd have something that's connected with thankfulness
because I'm I mean that there are several things I'm
feeling about Ace passing, but being thankful for just all
the music, all the performance, just the personality, just so

(43:18):
many enjoyable things and entertainment wise, that he gave to
the world, and I don't know that he got quite
enough bagels and briefcases to compensate him for what he gave.
But in the spirit of thankfulness, Andy and Chris are
going to have some butter tarts.

Speaker 3 (43:37):
Nice thank you.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
Yeah, I would if I could like paid like some
money to have a butter tart right now, I'd love one.

Speaker 3 (43:45):
You would do it?

Speaker 2 (43:46):
Fucking the second sounds good, so good, I can smell it.
I want the one thing about Ace being the George
Harrison of Kiss and that he's a great musician, and listen,
let's be honest, he's a great songwriter as well. Some
of the greatest Kiss songs of all time written by
the Ace and the solo record Paul and Ace's of

(44:07):
the two Gene and Peters and if you want any proof,
PG and I had listened to both of them on
our last quarantines were at a fucking suck bag story, guys.
I love the fact that Ace as a you know,
third songwriter. He gets a song on an album or
whatever he puts out his solo record and it's a

(44:27):
fucking killer. Now Dynasty comes out and three Ace songs
are on it. Now you might be like, oh whatever,
and he was gone soon after. It doesn't matter. The
next record after the four solo records was Dynasty, which
always was for Paul four Jean, an.

Speaker 3 (44:48):
Ace and an Ace or A one Peter or something
maybe whatever.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
This one was three Paul two Gene, three Ace and
a Peter. But Ace is now it's a Paul level story.
Do you know how hard that must have been for
Gene Simmons to fucking acknowledge that Ace has three and
I have two? Vinny Ponci, I will kill you this stuff. Dude,

(45:16):
your song sucked. Ace's songs are better. Like that's crazy
to me.

Speaker 4 (45:23):
I have talked, Oh go ahead, No.

Speaker 6 (45:27):
I was gonna say. I questioned what Jeane's mentality was
back then, if he was on his way you know into.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
I bet you, I bet you was pissed off, because
perception is reality. If you know, the five of us
are kiss fans and pulls well, all right me bj
a LB naked Chris kiss fans. We go to the
local records store in nineteen seventy nine, we pick up
a Dynasty record. We listened to it, the three Aces
three that tells us as fans that Ace is better

(45:55):
than Gene. And that's the truth.

Speaker 4 (45:58):
Yeah, And I said it on the show before, and
I'm convinced. I have no way to prove this, but
I'm convinced that the seventy eight solo albums were part
of the plan on Gene. Paul's part was to put
Ace and Peter in their place with them being like,

(46:19):
I fucking agree, the public is going to gobble up
our albums and they're gonna reject those two clowns, and
they're gonna be finally put in their place forever, and
certainly in the case of Ace's album, a completely backfire.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
Gobble them up. That's such a great you know, because
you know what the genius was, Chris l was that Ace.
As soon as there was like solo them talk, he
picks of the phone, calls Eddy Kramer, were you doing
a record? Sure done? Paul calls, sorry, I got Ace.
Gene calls sorry, I got Ace. Peter calls, who is
this on the phone? Like, dude, Ace's best call ever

(46:57):
was locking in Ramer, And you're right, they did this
to fucking make Ace look like a.

Speaker 4 (47:07):
We jered they did.

Speaker 6 (47:09):
I'm convinced that that's a that's a good theory, But
I mean, the fact is it was to save the band.
It was like, look, guys, you're you all want to
leave right now?

Speaker 2 (47:19):
I disagree, we have to.

Speaker 6 (47:21):
Ace wanted to leave, like look everyone, I mean, it's.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
It's I disagree only because I feel and gosh, fifty
years later, forty seven years later, we know Paul and Jean.
I feel they're like, hey, PJ, let's fucking make this
guy walk the plank? How good is this record gonna be?

(47:46):
And then they hear it and they're like, holy fucking
Then Paul is calling a going have you heard Jeans record?
You and I are the winners here. We talked about this.
I think Chris l is one thousand percent correct about this.
They orchestrated this whole situation to make Ace and Peter
look like idiots.

Speaker 4 (48:05):
And I think I think they're interconnected. I think you
did it to make them look like idiots and realize
that they were not gonna have viable solo careers, so
they might as well just be indentured service servants and
kiss forever.

Speaker 6 (48:19):
If that, if that was the mentality, then why would
Jane have made the record he did? Because Gan, why
wouldn't he give himself a fighting chance because.

Speaker 4 (48:27):
He's Gene, because his ego would You're.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
Gonna want to hear me saying make a little wish
upon a star. I'm Gene Simmons. When you get you
know this more than anybody PJ in rock and roll
for three know one. Guys get too high up on
the hog. I can release a fucking Chinese phone, a
Chinese menu. I just had somesh walling Chicken. It's giving

(48:50):
him one hit. Chris, it's not giving me rum Chris
Jerrich are good hit. That's what happened. That's exactly what happened.
Gene went, I'm gonna do wish upon a star, and
when gonna love it, They're like, m hmm.

Speaker 5 (49:02):
Well it's It's always funny to me that I've never
read Jean or Paul actually praising Ace's solo album. I remember,
I remember from there was that autobiography, and I think
Paul's quote was I'll give Aces I forgot what he
gave it, like two stars or something, because at least

(49:23):
it was honest. And when I first read that, I thought,
how can you say that that you're just gonna throw
it a little a little treat there a little bone,
you know, it's.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
Like it's better than yours. The fucking egos of these guys,
and like Chris said it best, they said, okay, sure,
let's all do the sole solo album. Guys like, what's
Alb gonna write nursery rhymes? This is gonna suck. And
then Alb creates fucking thriller and the rest was like, oh.

Speaker 4 (49:54):
Fuck, yeah, now what do we do?

Speaker 2 (49:57):
Right? It's like, you know, like, how the fuck this?
That's exactly what happened. They did this. We're gonna put
Ace in this place. Hey, Bill, let's all do solo records. Meanwhile,
Paul and Jean's sign them up for the bigger fucking distribution.
Peter and Aces. It is what it is. You got it,
got it. That's why we were laughing on the Crazy

(50:18):
Nights tour when they had a Paul shirt and a
Jeans shirt. That was a competition. Oh sure it was.
And you know, every night Paul was like, what do
we got? Of course, Paul's was probably seventy twenty percent.
You knew that, and that's why they did it. Have
you ever been to a rock and roll show where

(50:38):
there's been a fucking separate band member.

Speaker 3 (50:42):
Shirt, like a Joe Elliott shirt, yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
Bruce sticking his shirt and a Steve Harris shirt like
whatever have you guys ever thought? Have you ever seen that? Ever?

Speaker 5 (50:53):
I can't think of it.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
I can't think either. That was when Paul and you
were like, all right, motherfucker the show and he's like, well,
I'm the actor, I run the ship, and You're like, okay,
let's do his shirt. Paul and Jeane, right, every night
we're using their archaic whatever that was, fucking page right,

(51:17):
That's exactly what happened ten years earlier with the solo records.

Speaker 6 (51:23):
All right, we'll give it to you.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
Let's get to the song.

Speaker 5 (51:29):
All right, you got nick, Well I got one, you
got one.

Speaker 4 (51:33):
Sure, it's one we haven't done before.

Speaker 5 (51:35):
Right, So now, because what have we what ace solo songs?

Speaker 4 (51:39):
Have we done?

Speaker 2 (51:40):
Rock a solo record?

Speaker 5 (51:42):
But as far as non Kiss, you got the Whole Night,
you got the.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
Eddie Trunk, Mega Force Years, and you got the Steve
Brown ten thousand bolts.

Speaker 5 (51:52):
I think as far as episodes, we've only done.

Speaker 4 (51:55):
We did Rock Soldiers and we did the Eddie Money cover.

Speaker 5 (51:59):
That's true.

Speaker 4 (51:59):
Yeah, I want to go back.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
Oh I remember that.

Speaker 4 (52:04):
Oh, it's great. I'm a huge fan of that. I
love that.

Speaker 5 (52:08):
Didn't we do that when Eddie Money died?

Speaker 4 (52:10):
We did?

Speaker 5 (52:11):
We did the ACE cover.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
Chris Allen and I have decided that you could take
the top eight Eddie Money songs and put them against
any other band ever, include the Beatles and Stones, and
they would match up.

Speaker 6 (52:24):
That that band with the Rubik's c thing with the
show with we bring the special guests. I think it
was the year before Ace we had Eddie Money on.

Speaker 3 (52:33):
Wow, that's awesome.

Speaker 6 (52:35):
We played with him.

Speaker 4 (52:36):
Yeah, great, he's another He's another wanna be comedian, isn't
he constantly peeling off danger Field esque material.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
He's a very one liner.

Speaker 6 (52:49):
Minute I met hey, hey do yeah, you know I
quit drinking. Everyone's happy with me?

Speaker 4 (52:54):
Right, Yeah, launches into it, say I got your number?
All right, just sting out material on people. That was great.

Speaker 5 (53:03):
All right, let's do it, all right, Nick? You ready,
I'm ready?

Speaker 3 (53:07):
All right, Let's turn the microphone over to Chris Jones.

Speaker 5 (53:12):
This outer space anomaly A.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
Wow, that's an interesting one.

Speaker 5 (53:29):
It's one that I was thinking would be a great
one for like October, especially not necessarily this October. We've
been doing something different. But in past October's we've done
stuff that's got a bit of like a weird just
stuff that fits with like a Halloween season, and I
always thought this song would be pretty cool for that.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
All right, I'm not sure. I think I remember buying
this record at some point.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
So this came out. This came out at the same
time as Sonic Sonic Boom, like within what a week
or two, It was very close September of nine. And
then also there was a Megadeath album that came out
the same day with the name is Escaping Me Right
Now one with head Crusher on it, but and end
Game End Game. Yeah, those came out the same day,

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the Ace one and that Mega Death one.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
And then this is called a Space Fan.

Speaker 5 (54:23):
Is the name Anomaly?

Speaker 4 (54:25):
The name of the album Anomaly.

Speaker 5 (54:28):
This was basically his comeback as far as a solo artist, because.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
To illustrate it is, Bob has produced. This is fucking
PJ Filey.

Speaker 4 (54:41):
No, who'd I have.

Speaker 5 (54:43):
My I have my copy here?

Speaker 3 (54:45):
Wow, I'm looking at this. He did trouble Walking, Is
this right? He did trouble Walking in eighty nine and
nothing nothing for twenty years, So this is only two
thousand and nine, and this was the first real opportunity
he had.

Speaker 5 (54:59):
This dedicated to the memory of Eric Carr and Diamebag Daryl.
But Eric Carr had been gone for what eighteen years?

Speaker 4 (55:08):
Wow?

Speaker 5 (55:10):
And this was this was his first real opportunity on
a proper solo album to dedicate it.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
We'll turn around again.

Speaker 5 (55:22):
Franky Munaz, Ranky Munas a driver.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
Place really number one? Bad call?

Speaker 4 (55:29):
Yeah, that's that's not what you want in a producer.

Speaker 3 (55:32):
Who else played on this? I don't remember well.

Speaker 5 (55:35):
Anton fig played on most of the album.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
I have I have to look at some players on
but he got He's.

Speaker 5 (55:44):
Got Anton I think played on a couple of songs.

Speaker 6 (55:49):
Anthony Anthony Esposito Maybe, yeah, Esposito.

Speaker 5 (55:53):
Is on it.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
Hold on, hold on, Can I just throw a thing
in here? Tell me you're not the most Italian rock
rock or name ever without telling me you're the most
like Anthony Esposito. Let's send even a real guy like
let me take two names of the most time giant
Anthony Basil Maritzio taking Anthony uh fucking Corleoni dispensa.

Speaker 4 (56:27):
Yeah, just.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
Done?

Speaker 4 (56:34):
All right? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (56:35):
So this is track two.

Speaker 5 (56:38):
And this was the lead single. I don't know if
you guys remember, but this was it.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
Was all the rage on fucking k Los.

Speaker 5 (56:45):
I remember that this was his this was his comeback
in a sense, this was all the rage of Nick's car.
Very true.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
I don't know nothing of all the fucking songs you
go to pick, this is the one you pick. You
don't know what.

Speaker 3 (57:00):
Give it a chance?

Speaker 2 (57:00):
You don't really more, words are not Enough or something
fucking from the good.

Speaker 4 (57:08):
You know, you don't know if this is good or not.
You've never heard.

Speaker 5 (57:11):
Well, Andy and I were just listening to the girl
Can't Dance on the Way over Here, which I don't know.
That's a that's a demo from like the early eighties
that he did.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
And I know words are Not Enough because I bought
an EP that was.

Speaker 5 (57:26):
That was on the Live Plus one that was the
studio track.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
Yeah, well I know that one. I did not know
this one, so.

Speaker 5 (57:33):
Yeah, yeah, well I know. Outer Space was well I
don't want to get.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
Playing. I hate the fact that because Ace Frehley was
a space man, every one of his songs had to
tago outer space, like are going into the void? Like
enough of this ship?

Speaker 5 (57:52):
See, I don't want to get too far into it.
But I think this one is it sets even though
it's called outer Space, I think it sets itself. Apart
from some of the other songs that he had done
were lyrically, that's pretty much all it is, is like
I'm an alien spaceman. This one, I think there's more
to it lyrically that's more interesting.

Speaker 6 (58:09):
All right, we'll take your.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
Word for it.

Speaker 3 (58:10):
Well, let me remind you this. This album also has
Space Bear and Return of the Space Bear.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
Well, he was hold on Fractured seven, Fractured Quantum.

Speaker 3 (58:22):
Is on this what was it called Fractured quantumcus Is four?

Speaker 2 (58:28):
I think off, well, he the loudest, so sick of bullshit,
fucking just play the song.

Speaker 5 (58:37):
And I don't have the version with Return of Space Bear.
Isn't that the one where he that's the one that's
the one where.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
A briefcase full of fucking cash to fucking listen to
Space Bear?

Speaker 5 (58:48):
You know what it's worth at least one listen because
I think it's the Return of Space Bear where it's
like an instrumental track and basically he's recreating in the
studio his lines from Tom Snyder Show. So it's worth
at least one. Listen, he went back and recreated his

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own his own lines.

Speaker 3 (59:11):
Because you remember in that interview he puts the coughs
on a Teddy Bear and he calls it a space bear.
That's where the space that's where.

Speaker 5 (59:18):
But he gets he gets more into it, and it's
it's you know, as of whenever he recorded this, oh nine,
I guess he must have went into the studio and
recited his his lines from the tomorrow show. So it's
it's interesting if nothing else.

Speaker 3 (59:39):
All right, Well, are you guys ready for Outer Space J?
Do you know what do you remember it.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
Was that?

Speaker 3 (59:48):
Does PJ remember this one?

Speaker 4 (59:50):
No?

Speaker 6 (59:50):
No, I'm until I hear it.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
Okay, well let's let's give us some information here. So
let's find who played on it.

Speaker 5 (01:00:00):
I know it's him and Anton and I think Esposito.

Speaker 4 (01:00:06):
Yeah, is it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
Tony or Phil? Is either one of those guys.

Speaker 4 (01:00:10):
Playing this both?

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
Actually, it's He's what.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
You were talking about.

Speaker 5 (01:00:14):
He's not on that one, this one. I don't think.
Ace plays lead guitar and bass on this one. Derek
Hawkins plays rhythm guitar, Alex Salzman tracking and overdubs, and
Anton figure.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
Salesman like a motherfucker.

Speaker 4 (01:00:35):
Tracking an overdub track. Other words, he's the engineer.

Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
I guess it is this from the.

Speaker 5 (01:00:44):
Bass Man album No No, This is from the Anomaly album.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
Sorry from nine Oh my gosh, Anomaly way back. Okay,
all right, first single Mark, Okay, hold on the let
me just see he's playing on this record. Personnel as Fairley,
Anthony Smazito, was there, Anton figod Guy, Scott Coogan, who's

(01:01:14):
in the current, Marty Frederickson, great songwriter, Brian Titchy. Oh,
here's a good one. Pearl a dad, you know what
that is? I do? My god, calm down and fuck her?

Speaker 4 (01:01:29):
I do.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
Who is she?

Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
That's Scott Ian's wife, meet Love's daughter.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
Yes, I just met her, but that matter her at
the start of the day. So yeah, I love the
fact that Pearl is singing uh background in this. Okay,
so this is okay, we got it to you here man.
But the single from this record was Fox on the Run,
Sweet Sweet classic.

Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
Yeah, I see, I see. Ashley Suppa is also a
female backing vocalist.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
I'm a huge fan of Ashley.

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
I'm partial to Melissa Brunch myself.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
So all right, let's hear it.

Speaker 4 (01:02:06):
Yeah, let's go, let's go.

Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
All, let's ta a quick commercial break with Melissa.

Speaker 5 (01:02:11):
Melissa was a good first name to go with. Thank you,
Let's be honest.

Speaker 3 (01:02:15):
Thanks, We'll be right back after these words.

Speaker 10 (01:02:26):
Said you wanted love to be a bottie your game,
but she started laying. But now you scotch and crawling.

Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
Your way out from the grade from you should have
stated the turk.

Speaker 5 (01:02:54):
I love that line, and I don't know what it
means in the in the context of the song, but
you should have stayed in the dirt girl. I don't
know why. It's just such a weird line. Well, he's
talking about the grave, I know, but I just I don't.
I don't understand how this how all the lyrics fit
together as we go on. But I just always thought

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there are certain lines where they don't have it. They
don't have to make sense to you, but they didn't
stand out all. No, it doesn't.

Speaker 4 (01:03:26):
I think it's the you go back to the line
before it grave.

Speaker 5 (01:03:29):
Yeah, you know, so we're talking zombies here.

Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
She's scratching and clawing her way up from the grave.
You should have stayed in the dirt girl. So I
think it's basically like he kicked her to the curb
or something. It's just trying to come back.

Speaker 4 (01:03:41):
I think this is I think this is a similar
So maybe she.

Speaker 6 (01:03:44):
Was the girl, she was the girl from hell, and
she should have stayed there.

Speaker 7 (01:03:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:03:48):
I think I'm thinking this is a similar subject matter
as Rip it Out. You know, he's lashing out at
a at a female who did him wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
I throw a come in here. Of course, the more
stock of fucking stock. It's not great.

Speaker 5 (01:04:11):
Well, you're wrong, there's sixteen bars in.

Speaker 3 (01:04:16):
Us.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
Oh. This was always my problem with the Ace Frehley
solo records. Trouble Walking had some moments, the first one
within the night, great second one. So yeah, he was
producing it.

Speaker 6 (01:04:37):
He was his own disciplinary.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
He should not be producing any record ever.

Speaker 4 (01:04:43):
Yeah. Ever, Right, and you said this is his first
album since nineteen eighty nine.

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
Right, that's not an excuse, Chris, you want to come back. Listen, Hey, Bob,
what's going on? Man? What are you up to while
I'm producing fucking Pink Floyd three and Scuber seven and
this fucking guy, this fucking guy. Can you squeeze me
in for two months? Sure? Ace Fairley returns with Bob
Ezran as the producer or Ady Kramer is the producer

(01:05:10):
or whatever I'm in. They said none of that had
Ace Frehley is the producer.

Speaker 4 (01:05:14):
Right, it's a terrible decision, we know that. But what
I was going to say is the fact that you
talk about stock. This is clearly a drop d riffing
song that you know, Okay, that was in vogue fifteen
years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
Yeah, and it's written by Jesse Mendez, David view Askew
and A's Fairley. Who are these fucking guys. I can't
even find them on YouTube because they don't even click
I can't even click on I want to.

Speaker 6 (01:05:45):
I want to hear if the chorus helps it out
a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:05:47):
Those are the guys who take the briefcase.

Speaker 5 (01:05:52):
One guy's the handcuff guy.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
The guy is the manager of Rubik's Cube. Apparently I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
All right, let's keep going space Space.

Speaker 7 (01:06:18):
I wanted.

Speaker 4 (01:06:30):
So that was your chorus, your coast play an air guitar, Harry.

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
Clearly, I think it actually, honestly, I thought that was
pretty cool.

Speaker 4 (01:06:38):
Yeah, got better with the chorus.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
It was very kind of like where your was this from.
Grunge has been dead and gone for like, yeah, yeah,
but I like that those faces matter, batter in abound now.

Speaker 6 (01:06:57):
It has the test flows, heaving Heaven's trail.

Speaker 4 (01:07:01):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, It's.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
Not a fucking dirty like Sound Garden something.

Speaker 4 (01:07:07):
Or whatever, but yeah it drop drop. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
I remember buying this record because about every Ace record
because I'm a fan, yeah boy, and I remember this
one song like it's pretty heavy and it's got some
good ship in it, and it's like, yeah, thumbs up,
of course, Oh, he might not have had anything to
do with it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:32):
Hey, it doesn't matter, And I.

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
Like thumbs up to Jesse Mendez and David David, do
you a skew?

Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
It's like what we talked about with Ozzy still attributed
to Ozzy, right when?

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
What for what song?

Speaker 3 (01:07:48):
Just in general, like a lot of the stuff we
talked about when we what we did Shot in the
Dark and we were talking about like you know, hey
it was great, and then you know, he claimed he
wrote this much of it, but it would already exist
it blah blah blah, and we kind of just landed
on it doesn't really matter. It's still Ozzy.

Speaker 4 (01:08:04):
So bj so uh.

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
We had a call from a member of Ozzie's band
and the Ultimate Sin Record that told me like, that's
not really true. Alb And and Nick nick Polli, Why
p J and I are like Paul and Jean on
the fucking Revenge interview? Continue? Why do you do that?

Speaker 4 (01:08:28):
Why do you do that?

Speaker 6 (01:08:29):
Stop?

Speaker 4 (01:08:30):
I don't go for that.

Speaker 7 (01:08:31):
Yeah, go for that.

Speaker 4 (01:08:33):
Knock it off?

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
All right, continue claymore gas more questions as continue.

Speaker 3 (01:08:41):
I'll continue and ask you this, Jim, that's not really
mad at you? Right? Maybe maybe not? I know you
said Michael Angelo.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
Uh content By the way, Michael and Jibatu is the
fucking sweetest of the sweet greatest guy.

Speaker 5 (01:08:53):
Well, PJ likes his windows to not be broken, so
he doesn't want Jillette driving by singing that one perfect frequency.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
All right, let's keep going. Yeah, it's a good drink
of my scene love.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
And then the boys.

Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
You ug me up to you sit scene and.

Speaker 7 (01:09:18):
Then I blew you up.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
You are what in a billion? Before this cluss? Can
I just uh make a quick point here? Is this
not like the heaviest thing as Frills ever involved in.

Speaker 5 (01:09:39):
It's it's pretty much. Yeah, there's It's like I.

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
Was listening back, like, wow, like.

Speaker 6 (01:09:48):
It's me he's got dark.

Speaker 5 (01:09:50):
Yeah, yeah, that's that's big That's why I would say
it's a good song for if we did like a
month of songs that were a little dark or we
heard or whatever, and I'd say, on this album.

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
In dark Tober, maybe dark toberf asshole fucking awful.

Speaker 4 (01:10:16):
It actually sounds like an A LB comedy routine based
on his previous material.

Speaker 6 (01:10:22):
Look look in true fashion, he's he's challenged, challenge channeling.
It's his fucking Tom Snyder interview right now. Rich, I'm
a plumber.

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
Yeah, you can play pipes.

Speaker 6 (01:10:39):
Tell me about it, wageous space bear.

Speaker 4 (01:10:44):
Yeah, but yeah, I mean you know the drop D
tuning lends itself to heavy riffs.

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
And it drops.

Speaker 4 (01:10:53):
Yeah, it sounds like you gotta be right p J.

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
Drop he was because he had no idea about it.
He's like, yeah, I got a good a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:11:06):
Somebody who sound Yeah, exactly. But again this isn't take us.

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
Let me take us segue over here. So, PJ, when
you were in Rubrik's Q, great great rock and roll
band eighties tribute and you have the corporate sponsorship, I
want alb Nick Nick Pollock and Mysterious Rills to former
cover band with me. Anyways, done, you show up, they
go Ace Failey is coming briefcase full of money? What

(01:11:37):
was your involvement with Ace did you did you have
did you have these show up and just know what
songs he's playing just to call him? Yeah? Well, I
mean we knew.

Speaker 6 (01:11:47):
We had him pick the songs that he wanted to play.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
What songs did he pick? Cole Gin?

Speaker 6 (01:11:54):
It was cold Gin and we actually did rock and
roll all night. We did rip it out. Uh, rocket Ride,
I think.

Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
That's fucking amazing. Yeah it was. It was a killers
Rocket Ride. That's so good.

Speaker 6 (01:12:10):
I think we opened with Rocket Rider. Man, I think
it's a little fuzzy, but yeah, no, Yah. We showed
up ready to you know, basically.

Speaker 7 (01:12:26):
Bass.

Speaker 6 (01:12:28):
You know, he showed up and we just you know,
kind of carried it from there, basically ironclad.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
We're like, that's pretty bad. He gave him a fucking
briefcase full of money. Yeah, I love that literally all right?

Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
He said, uh what did he say?

Speaker 4 (01:12:48):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:12:49):
Yeah, you hooked me up to your sick machine and
then I blew you up.

Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
My god.

Speaker 5 (01:12:55):
It's just I love the fact that the lyrics are
so weird and are not like as much as I
enjoy the other songs that he's done where it's you know,
space Invader, Space Man, all that kind of stuff. But
but this one is a little more out of left field,

(01:13:16):
which I think is one of the reasons I like
it so much.

Speaker 6 (01:13:18):
This could have been like in the soundtrack of the
you know, New Texas Chainsaw Massacre or something.

Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
And it is so dark and heavy.

Speaker 3 (01:13:29):
All right, let's hear what happens next the.

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
Today, I'm thinking, I want to take you away, great

(01:14:13):
hold on. I remember why I love this song. You
thinking from out of space? That's how I know your name. Fuck,
It's like I remember this record coming out, and it's like,
this is so dirty you think of from out of space?
It's how I know your name. It's really good.

Speaker 4 (01:14:38):
Yeah, the producer brought the best out of him in
his vocal to this one.

Speaker 2 (01:14:44):
Who is the.

Speaker 3 (01:14:46):
It is kind of funny though, how I never really
read the lyrics while listening to this, But like, as
you're reading it now, you're like, why is he's saying
I'm sick of the human race? I think he's just
crossing up.

Speaker 4 (01:14:56):
Like, yeah, he wanted to go back into I guess
so I want things.

Speaker 5 (01:15:03):
You know, he wants to rescue this girl from the
rest of humanity.

Speaker 3 (01:15:06):
But he hated her earlier, Well, now he likes her.
Now he wants to take her into.

Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
The world of Ace fally. Yeah, it's not a really
good song to pick first. I wasn't one of the
any songs. But this song is a really good song
because I remember when it came out. I bought the record,
sorry the CD put it into your car, And there's

(01:15:31):
a song before this. Maybe this is not the first song, right,
it's a second song. Oh well, I guess I guess
I'm justified Chris.

Speaker 4 (01:15:39):
Right, what what is the first one? Scroll and Foxy
and free.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
That one can fuck off. I was like, this is
pretty cool, man, Like you think that from out of space?
That's like it's really heavy, like fucking Ace is like, wow.

Speaker 6 (01:15:58):
Let's hear the truth tested, let's hear this sold on
all right, there you go, Here.

Speaker 7 (01:16:01):
We go, Thank you, Ron, thank you, thank you. Thanks.

Speaker 6 (01:16:52):
A lot of backwards that solo was from out of space.

Speaker 4 (01:16:56):
He's channeling is inner Carrie King on that one. It's like,
to me, completely unhinged.

Speaker 5 (01:17:05):
Yeah, kind of fading from forwards to backwards to just
and there was one point he just simply stopped for
about a second or two and that get picked it
up again. Yeah, you don't. You don't get that in
a typical guitar solo.

Speaker 6 (01:17:18):
Yeah, he definitely seized up there for a minute.

Speaker 4 (01:17:21):
Yeah, a little bit, but he sees.

Speaker 2 (01:17:24):
I'm not a guitar player like you guys are beside
a l bastard. But it's not fucking it's not right.
There's something weird about It isn't down to like.

Speaker 4 (01:17:36):
Well, it's drop D.

Speaker 6 (01:17:37):
It's out of character for a Yeah, is it drop D?

Speaker 4 (01:17:43):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:17:43):
It is? And why, oh DJ, why would fucking Ace
free Legs shot me? Why would he do a fucking
drop D? Nobody cares, he's person himself. It's a facade.
Why is he doing it?

Speaker 6 (01:17:58):
I don't know, but I I just realized that the
analogy to your you know, it's almost like a tick.
Why would a guitar tac me is like goldmember, you
know that's the way I like it. Casey in the
Sunshine Band, Why would he do that?

Speaker 2 (01:18:16):
Doesn't make any sense?

Speaker 6 (01:18:18):
Well, I mean, what are you talking about? He's like,
I want to write a heavy thing.

Speaker 2 (01:18:21):
Yeah, and if you want to, I know, hold on,
hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on
if you were producing it, or fucking Steve was or
Nick Nag or serious Griselle alb has no us ding.
But why would they say, like, why would the ace
Fairly guy go I want a down tune this? He

(01:18:45):
would never think about this.

Speaker 6 (01:18:47):
All he did was somebody wrote it and said, hey,
do you like this? Hey, I like that riff, that
heavy one. I don't have anything like that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:54):
Yeah, but who is it? Though?

Speaker 6 (01:18:57):
We'll never know whoever is on that track, who wrote song?

Speaker 5 (01:19:02):
It just seems like a like a pretty busy riff.
To come up with a melody too.

Speaker 6 (01:19:07):
He probably wrote, but probably don't write the lyrics.

Speaker 4 (01:19:09):
Again, the biggest issue if you have it with this
is that this is this song is what you would
have released fifteen years prior. I mean, but you release
it fifteen years later. It's still a heavy, pretty cool
sounding riff, and the only way to achieve that certain

(01:19:32):
sound is by going to drop D tuning. It's it's
just lends itself to to this type of song. And
if he, like PJ said, he maybe just I want
this kind of song on here. Okay, well I have
this riff, good, let's go with that.

Speaker 6 (01:19:47):
Here we go and look he's got us talking about
it and yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:19:52):
And we're into I'm I'm enjoying it. I'm liking whatever
dropped drop D, drop D. You gotta unchained. PJ mentioned
no way out. Drop D is a fucking it's a
it sounds good man, And that's another thing where you
can it's it's so simple. But like how many riffs

(01:20:15):
have been written and drop D thousands, It sound exactly.
It's it's just it. It sounds good and it lends
itself to a thousand different rifts that sounds similar, but
they're all slightly different.

Speaker 6 (01:20:31):
And it's like playing the national anthem, you're always going
to get a clause.

Speaker 4 (01:20:35):
Right, Yeah, you wanted to get happy. That's what happened.

Speaker 5 (01:20:42):
Anybody ever done the national anthem and drop D.

Speaker 4 (01:20:45):
Probably all right.

Speaker 7 (01:21:00):
I want to take you away. It's like I told you,
I came from that place. That's how I know your name.
I love you, Ray, I'm gonna blow the way. Let
me take you.

Speaker 4 (01:21:20):
I take you from this son.

Speaker 7 (01:21:24):
I'll want to take you, take you away from the sound.
I want to take you. I'm sending you away. This sound,
this place is gonna be rid.

Speaker 5 (01:21:52):
I love that last set of lyrics the earth is
rolling in seven. This place is gonna be fried.

Speaker 4 (01:21:59):
Fine, I thought I always thought he said Fried.

Speaker 3 (01:22:03):
It says fine on here. Friday makes more sense.

Speaker 5 (01:22:06):
I always thought he said Fried. There's no lyrics inside
of the booklet. I'm going with Friede. It always made
more sense to me. It always sounded cool.

Speaker 3 (01:22:14):
If I remember correctly, what a fucking.

Speaker 5 (01:22:21):
That's a great song. Yeah, I enjoy a great album too,
Get Me Punched we do good song for punching.

Speaker 3 (01:22:32):
I guess that was a bar fight song that would work.

Speaker 5 (01:22:35):
Actually, so I was.

Speaker 3 (01:22:36):
Gonna say, I think if I remember correctly, when this
was Annalysis album, this was the song that played on
his website like new album coming soon was And it
was that part like w no no no, you know
that the part Chris keeps singing for us, you know,
it was like a shorter thing that played like an anime,
you know two thousand and nine websites said, like an

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animated ace design and it played that part of a song.

Speaker 4 (01:23:00):
Yeah, back when they thought it was a good idea
for websites to have music playing at all times.

Speaker 5 (01:23:06):
Yeah, yeah, like MySpace pages. And the album cover is
about as close to it's like a distorted version of
his seventy eight solo album, Like there's the the lips
look the same.

Speaker 3 (01:23:22):
Chris Camarado says the album cover is pretty terrible. He's
disagreeing with Nick.

Speaker 5 (01:23:25):
Well, I'm not saying I didn't say it's great. I'm
just saying it's it very much is playing on the
seventy eight one. It's like they took the seventy eight
one and messed with it until.

Speaker 4 (01:23:35):
Yeah, Well it's got like the holographic thing to it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:42):
Hey, there's is that the cool addition, Nick? The one
where there's like the pyramid and the inside you can
fold it into a pyramid, which I never did.

Speaker 5 (01:23:53):
I don't think there's assembly instructions.

Speaker 4 (01:23:56):
Yeah, that's what I look for. My album covers is
fucking a assembly instructions. What is this a model plane?

Speaker 3 (01:24:03):
Well, if you want to pyramid, that's how you gotta
get it. Hey, we got to vote Sweet Surrender kicking
the Cross. Nick brought this song to us. He's gonna vote.

Speaker 5 (01:24:14):
First, very sweet Surrender.

Speaker 3 (01:24:22):
Hell yeah, Nick, tell us why sweet Surrender?

Speaker 5 (01:24:28):
I pretty much said it already, but just to encapsulate it.
This was in my eyes, and I'd say it's probably
pretty accurate. This was a comeback of sorts for Ace,
and I was really excited. And you know, like Andy
mentioned earlier, Sonic Boom came out right around the same time.
It's like, Okay, this is pretty awesome. That was isn't

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that what happened with Trouble Walking and Hot in the Shade? Yeah,
so it's it's pretty I was. I just it's it's
like a moment in time for me. I remember getting
the album, being excited, getting Sonic Boom, being excited and
really loving this song. And it's a song that like

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I forget about or the album too. I'll just forget
about it for a while, and then once it pops
into my head, like, oh I should listen to it. Nominally,
it's like this is great, Like there's so many not
I don't love every song on it, but there's so
many great ones on here. So it it And in
keeping with the occasion today, the unfortunate passing of Ace,

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it's it's nice to go back to uh that time
when it I don't know if commercially how triumphant this was,
but I think creatively it was. It was a pretty
triumphant for him, all right, let's give.

Speaker 10 (01:25:47):
You you know what.

Speaker 6 (01:25:48):
He's he's up there listening to your words, going thanks Booby, all.

Speaker 3 (01:25:55):
Right, PJ. Sweet surrender, kicking the crotch.

Speaker 6 (01:25:59):
I'm gonna give it a sweet surrender.

Speaker 2 (01:26:06):
Hell yeah, hell yeah, yeah it was.

Speaker 4 (01:26:13):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:26:13):
It had us all going yeah, you know, and honestly,
that's all golling. I definitely heard the song before once
when it when it came out, because I remember going, wow,
this is this is heavy for ace, borderline space, so

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it definitely deserves sweet surrender.

Speaker 4 (01:26:37):
Yes, of course it does. I will vote now, and
I will also say sweet surrender.

Speaker 2 (01:26:48):
Hell yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:26:51):
I don't recall ever hearing it before, but I liked it.
Who doesn't love a dropped the riff? Man? It just
hits every time and there, and it's there's only there's
only twelve notes in the scale, but somehow there are
a million dropped the riffs that are slightly different from
each other, but they all sound so familiar and heavy

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that if you're into this kind of music, what's not
to like about it?

Speaker 5 (01:27:18):
Someone's over there, I don't know it's happening. We got
sixth over there somewhere, Yes, sir.

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
Okay, I'll say hell yeah, hell yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:27:36):
All right, got anything you want to say to summon
up or you just.

Speaker 4 (01:27:40):
You gotta quit. Eddie Gighaman, he's already said his piece.

Speaker 7 (01:27:44):
He didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:27:44):
He just keeps talking about nothing wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:27:47):
I love.

Speaker 6 (01:27:51):
All right the space man.

Speaker 3 (01:27:53):
Yeah, there you go, something like that.

Speaker 5 (01:27:56):
I know your name who hasn't voted.

Speaker 3 (01:27:59):
I haven't a sweetswriter.

Speaker 2 (01:28:04):
We're gonna show your fucking asshole who has not voted yet.

Speaker 7 (01:28:12):
I got a question for you.

Speaker 3 (01:28:13):
Paul Stanley needs to know if Outer Space is a
rock and roll boner is voted by the five rock
and Roll Bowl nerves on today's program. Hmm, how are
we gonna do this? I'm last, all right, so you'll
be nerve if it gets to you.

Speaker 2 (01:28:34):
Oh thank you.

Speaker 5 (01:28:39):
Let's go.

Speaker 3 (01:28:42):
Me, Nick, Chris l p J, Chris J. That gonna
work for everybody?

Speaker 4 (01:28:50):
Love Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:28:51):
Okay, as Jane would say at the beginning of the
second song on his seventy eight solo album.

Speaker 6 (01:28:58):
Lovely Good Poll.

Speaker 5 (01:29:05):
What song is that before Burning Up with Up with Fever?

Speaker 3 (01:29:08):
Okay, all right, my vote is in everybody in mind? Okay,
yes you are rock and roll.

Speaker 2 (01:29:22):
Pneumonia.

Speaker 3 (01:29:24):
That works. Chris J.

Speaker 4 (01:29:27):
Bow Ah, Oh we cut it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:32):
We're not doing this ship It's terrible.

Speaker 5 (01:29:34):
My goodness, it's terrible.

Speaker 3 (01:29:36):
What's happening.

Speaker 2 (01:29:37):
I'm taking to the fucking Rock and Hall of Fame.

Speaker 3 (01:29:42):
Outrageous. I had no idea this was coming. I wasn't
prepared for it. Played again, he is upset with you.

Speaker 4 (01:29:58):
All right, I like jo I legitimately enjoyed it.

Speaker 3 (01:30:02):
All right, Well, if you disagree, we are sorry. Sorry
to tell you. Hey, we've got like the world's quickest segment.
Then we're gonna go home. Up Chris left, Well he
took off PJ. You want to stay for two jokes
that Nick wrote for this season? Sure, all right, Nick's

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got two jokes, maybe three or three? Okay, new second four?

Speaker 4 (01:30:28):
Now all right, here we go.

Speaker 2 (01:30:31):
The jokes jokes.

Speaker 4 (01:30:43):
All right, this segment would have made Jericho's head. If
you want to talk about ship material.

Speaker 5 (01:30:51):
Let's time stamp this and send it to him later.
All right, Okay, Now I've gotten a couple of jokes
sent to me then, and I welcome that, but I
will I will say these.

Speaker 4 (01:31:06):
Are four Nick originals.

Speaker 5 (01:31:08):
Well, one is not. But the main criteria is that's
got to be an original joke. It can't be one
that you found somewhere correct, And so I'll go first
with a gentleman named Tim Hillman. I have a joke
from him, and I'm going to read it as he
worded it. How does a ghost find a local taxi

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firm in an unfamiliar area?

Speaker 7 (01:31:36):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:31:37):
They search Google goal, I mean, you know, Thank you, Tim.
And keeping with the Halloween theme, what do you call
a pumpkin who wins an award for best choreography?

Speaker 4 (01:32:00):
A pumpkins that wins an award for best choreography?

Speaker 5 (01:32:07):
I don't know the gord of the dance.

Speaker 4 (01:32:15):
And since we we're going to continue there, I warned
you about this.

Speaker 5 (01:32:24):
It's too bad. It's too bad Chris didn't stay on.

Speaker 4 (01:32:27):
Well, no, he's been ripping you apart right now. You're
You're lucky.

Speaker 5 (01:32:31):
He doesn't get to hear the Ace Fraley joke.

Speaker 4 (01:32:35):
Oh he'll hear. It been post production if.

Speaker 5 (01:32:37):
I can remember it. It was on an old, old episode, okay,
last one besides that for tonight?

Speaker 4 (01:32:47):
Why do bats?

Speaker 5 (01:32:49):
Speaking of Thanksgiving? Why do bats love cranberry sauce?

Speaker 4 (01:32:53):
Bats?

Speaker 7 (01:32:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:32:54):
Like the flying like that, like the mammals, the winged mammals.

Speaker 4 (01:32:58):
Why do they like Branberry song.

Speaker 5 (01:33:01):
Yeah, they love it.

Speaker 4 (01:33:03):
That's at sumbats love it.

Speaker 5 (01:33:09):
Well, don't know, because you can open the can upside
down and I'll see if I can remember the pjs
like have never talked.

Speaker 4 (01:33:23):
He's got.

Speaker 5 (01:33:24):
He's gonna use these next time he's in mixed company.

Speaker 4 (01:33:27):
At his next stand up routine. He's gonna steal out
of the tea.

Speaker 7 (01:33:33):
All right. Fourth, and.

Speaker 4 (01:33:38):
There's one more.

Speaker 5 (01:33:40):
I'm trying to remember the Ace Raeli joke from years
and years ago on the podcast, So forgive me if
I boot it a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:33:47):
But uh, this this is your cleanup joke.

Speaker 5 (01:33:50):
This is this is the big This is before I
say you've been wonderful, good night everybody. Why, when traveling
through space was Ace freely frantically looking for a pharmacy
on a nearby planet.

Speaker 3 (01:34:08):
I think I remember the answer, but I'm not gonna
say it.

Speaker 4 (01:34:11):
I don't.

Speaker 5 (01:34:12):
I have no reque he was traveling through space desperately
trying to find a pharmacy on a nearby plant on
a nearby planet. Why he needed cream for his gendel warts.

Speaker 3 (01:34:33):
All right, that one worked, Oh well, it works.

Speaker 6 (01:34:39):
It's timely.

Speaker 3 (01:34:41):
Yeah, it's topic to.

Speaker 7 (01:34:46):
Love it.

Speaker 4 (01:34:46):
See what you did there, This is a no and
stand up to his sixth sense. Me avoided the whole segment.

Speaker 6 (01:35:01):
He's got a fucking darkness neck and he won't stay down.

Speaker 3 (01:35:04):
Yeah, well that's it. We're ready to go home.

Speaker 1 (01:35:09):
So yeah, thank hey, thanks guys, all right, yeah, yeah,
thanks for being on, you know, tribute to Ace sad day.

Speaker 4 (01:35:22):
But God, God.

Speaker 3 (01:35:23):
Bless you Ace.

Speaker 5 (01:35:24):
Oh yeah, yeah, and God bless your family and everybody
who mourns you. And I'm glad we had the chance
to do this. And it's it's strange that it's the
day of that we're recording.

Speaker 4 (01:35:38):
Yeah, but well, but certain certain things you got to
click into action. And like I said earlier, this is
one of those things where while we're doing with kiss
portion of this this podcast, which is already like five
years ago when it ended, it was in the back
of my mind like what are we gonna do if
one of the original four passes away? And it finally

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happened origunally. So I think we did it right. Got
the guys short notice, but they were able to come on,
which I appreciate, and and we you know, pulled something
out that we haven't done before. And I enjoyed it.
I'm legitimately enjoyed.

Speaker 5 (01:36:16):
I had a lot of fun this evening, of course.

Speaker 3 (01:36:19):
Yeah, well, thank you very much everybody who joined us.
We'll be back next week with the conclusion of Spooktober.
We'll see how that goes. We're not sure what we're
gonna do yet. We had to call an audible this week,
but we'll figure it out. Thank you, And I think
this is a nice way to go out today. The
star of the show, Holly, stepping on to the market.

Speaker 2 (01:36:43):
Yes, Holly, Now it's a good